New pickup UAZ Patriot with machine guns and grenade launchers arrived at ZVO

The special forces and intelligence units of the Western Military District (ZVO) received more than 25 special vehicles created on the basis of the UAZ Patriot pickup, the press service of the Western Military District reports.

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Off-road vehicles are equipped for installation not only of Kalashnikov machine guns or AGS-17 “Flame” automatic grenade launchers, but also for anti-tank missile systems capable of hitting mobile single targets at a distance of 5 km. For this purpose, frames are installed with slewing rings to accommodate weapons. Also, all cars are equipped with an awning with a removable cape.

The servicemen will soon start developing new equipment, which will allow increasing the mobility of special purpose units and reconnaissance troops of the Western Military District operating at a distance from the main forces and increasing the efficiency of carrying out tasks to the destination. Technique entered as part of the state defense order

- added to the press service

Comments

[Herculesic]

But what about the protection, you can hang a bulwark on the rear wheels, armored vehicles on the cabs! Only here is nothing like this and is not visible !!!

[just exp]

protection against what?
these are not armored vehicles.
it’s just an analogue of jihadmobiles.

[Herculesic]

Well, then you had to build them in a convertible version! !!!

[Gray brother]

Quote: Herkulesich

Well, then you had to build them in a convertible version! !!!

To feel the winter?

[Vadmir]

it's just an analogue of jihadmobiles

That's just where to get the martyrs who will go to them in a real battle - this is surely suicide.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Vadmir

That's just where to get the martyrs who will go to them in a real battle - this is surely suicide.

And who told you that they will go on the attack along with tanks? And to patrol their rear and fight all sorts of saboteurs - that's it. Better than simple "commander" UAZs.

[Großer feldherr]

Quote: Piramidon

And to patrol their rear and fight all sorts of saboteurs - that's it. Better than simple "commander" UAZs.

For some reason I thought, for this, the Rosguard was provided with “tigers”.
There are no differences from the UAZ I do not see.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Großer Feldherr

For some reason I thought, for this, the Rosguard was provided with “tigers”.
There are no differences from the UAZ I do not see.

And if you compare prices, the differences will be noticeable?

[Vadmir]

And if you compare prices, the differences will be noticeable?

Do you estimate the price of life in anything?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Vadmir

Do you estimate the price of life in anything?

Then let's put all the police and the National Guard in tanks. There is no unbroken equipment.

[Vadmir]

In the CTO zone, they must ride in armor.
These Patriots are not in vain called special, they are not for simple trips and they must have reservations.

[34 region]

19.28. There were no armor at all on the carts! But they were formidable weapons. And if you put armor on a tachanka, what will it be? Armored personnel carrier, tank, target, something else?

[akribos]

It seems that there is no crisis, they cut the military budget. However, G ... found the money for this. Soon there will be bicycles and scooters for highly mobile forces. Sincerely.

[Cruel beaver]

I think that in the current war even bicycles and scooters can be used, and even scooters.
As the saying goes: every vegetable has its own time. Our ingenuity will find application to everything. With respect.

[Valery Saitov]

So motorcycles, buggies and other trifles have been used in the army for a long time. And Ural motorcycles with a drive wheel in the cradle were used in the army during the USSR.

[34 region]

06.46. Valera! And the Nazis probably began to use the first. There were examples of the use of combat bicycles in the army (or maybe they still use it).

[210ox]

Of course, this technique is most needed at the border .. And yes, for example, in Smolensk, they carried ZU2-23 in parades in the back of a truck, and mortars on trailers ..

Quote: Herkulesich

But what about the protection, you can hang a bulwark on the rear wheels, armored vehicles on the cabs! Only here is nothing like this and is not visible !!!

[The_lancet]

New pickup UAZ Patriot with machine guns and grenade launchers arrived at ZVO

Funny cars
Are there such products yet?

[Doliva63]

For information, UAZs were previously in service, which could be delivered with a group in a helicopter to a certain place and this was not funny, very practical.

[faiver]

Previously, the UAZs were different ...

[Doliva63]

Well yes. And the price for them too

[34 region]

17.55. Topping up! So UAZ was designed by order of the military. Why does he have two symmetrical windshields, and not panoramic. And the glass leans forward, and does not stand firmly on the racks. The tall car easily became squat. Do it with the Patriot !?

[Doliva63]

There is nothing to be done with the Patriot, you need to throw it in the trash and again make the car needed for the army.

[34 region]

18.38. Topping up! About this market there! But what are the army's requirements for a car? And it seems that they are already releasing a whole zoo for the army? What does the army want from a vehicle? This is the task!

[Doliva63]

I suspect that the army does not know what it wants. Because military doctrine is vague. Maybe that's right, I don’t know. After the 91st, I know nothing at all, because waved his hand at a mess in which he did not want to participate, and quit. Yes, let them let out what they want, thank God, I don’t fight on all this. What I wish you

[34 region]

19.40. Topping up! Nothing to argue! It is sad.

[faiver]

Patrick will die from any mounted armor, I'm afraid that he wouldn’t fall apart from the use of a machine gun or a grenade launcher ...

[not main]

Quote: faiver

Patrick will die from any mounted armor, I'm afraid that he wouldn’t fall apart from the use of a machine gun or a grenade launcher ...

Well, it's you in vain! It is a reliable and predictable car! With a margin of safety! Since 2009 I have been operating the Patriot no complaints!

[faiver]

I worked for almost ten years at a trucking company - therefore, I know what I'm talking about

[not main]

Quote: faiver

I worked for almost ten years at a trucking company - therefore, I know what I'm talking about

If the “drove” the hands are crooked, and the head for what would be, then here any car is doomed! And who is being recruited with category "B"? I myself saw how such an individual screwed the wheel with his nuts outward cone !!!

[faiver]

there are kanesh and cranked drivers, but when the car is constructed crookedly and crookedly assembled, forgive me and the official dealer of the plant just shrugs and shows the garage with a dozen warranty patriots in malfunctioning condition, computer diagnostics show that the car is working and the car is not driving, there are what to think about ...

[100502]

2017 is the bottom in the yard.

[Herculesic]

You are mistaken, the bottom is yet to come

[Firework]

jihadmobile in the service of the Russian army? mean cheap enough

[Jedi]

Why not? Syrian invaluable experience is taken into account.

[seos]

Another invaluable experience of the civil war ...

[Stas157]

This is there in an article, a photograph - Isil in Syria, or what? I did not make out! But, very familiar outlines.

[san4es]

Quote: Jedi

Why not? Syrian invaluable experience is taken into account.

... from the First World
Retro Jihad Mobility

...or earlier

[Jedi]

Sasha, I wrote in relation to the commentary about jihad mobile. I do not in any way detract from the experience of either the WWII, the Civil War, WWII, or subsequent wars.

[san4es]

... I guess ... There was nowhere to attach pictures ...

[Jedi]

Got it, it happens.

[g1v2]

The main thing is fast and mobile. Raid groups may well fall behind enemy lines and mow a bit there. destroying infrastructure. Steam at a jerk of captured and blown up power plants behind enemy lines or a busy logistics point can seriously slow down the deployment of enemy forces. But overall, these guys are largely suicide bombers. Many of them will not leave such a raid.

[Gray brother]

Quote: g1v2

. Many of them will not leave such a raid.

It depends on what purpose they will go to it. It's just transport in the first place. They landed unloaded, took a position - the ambush is ready. Surprise.
Do not attack the frontal UAZ to go.

[g1v2]

Of course not. The goals are the same as those of the militants in Syria - to seize the point with a jerk, inflict damage, undermine what can be dumped. Normal raid on the rear. It’s just that the heavier enemy forces will immediately come to intercept and the effect of mobility and surprise will quickly end, and it will be awful how difficult it is to leave with the enemy on the tail. That's why I believe that a lot of them will not work out for their own. But the damage will be great.

[Gray brother]

Quote: g1v2

. That's just to intercept immediately come the heavier enemy forces

There is a cover group for this.

[seos]

In Syria, militants book armored vehicles as much as possible wherever possible ... non-armored jihad mobiles are equipped with heavy weapons and they do not have the modernization potential to set armor - only this is why there is no armor ...
It is not clear at all that the army’s fascination with these cars and armored cars ... there is no sense in them and they do not beat the armored personnel carrier in cost ...

[Glory1974]

They landed unloaded, took a position - the ambush is ready. Surprise.

If tactically applied correctly, it will be sensible. But I’m afraid our military leaders will forget everything as usual in the war. Just as tanks drove to Grozny, so the “Patriots” get a bit of a shout somewhere.

[Doliva63]

So in an article about intelligence, what raids?

[Piramidon]

Quote: g1v2

The main thing is fast and mobile. Raid groups may well fall behind enemy lines and mow a bit there. destroying infrastructure. Steam at a jerk of captured and blown up power plants behind enemy lines or a busy logistics point can seriously slow down the deployment of enemy forces. But overall, these guys are largely suicide bombers. Many of them will not leave such a raid.

For some reason, everyone was obsessed with the fact that these UAZs would go on the attack at the enemy’s position or in raids on his rear. And in their rear they can’t find a thing? What would you rather pursue any saboteurs that leaked to our rear. On an ordinary "commander" UAZ, shooting at them with a pistol, leaning out of the window from the window, like Gleb Yegorych, or on such a "jihad mobile"? Gave a turn from the "Pecheneg" and "no Cook"

[Glory1974]

What would you rather pursue any saboteurs that leaked to our rear.

I would prefer on an armored personnel carrier. Armor is certainly not so hot, but the chances of survival are much greater than in the "patriot". It really can be shot from a pistol.

[Gladius]

Apparently took into account the experience in Syria. Barmalei quite productively use similar pickups. Cheap and cheerful, very quick, sudden and unexpected.

[WUA 518]

With the cars participating in the Syrian "jihad", sometimes curious cases occur. In December 2014, propaganda from the Jabhat Ansar ad-Din terrorist group “lit up” a Ford F-250 pickup truck that said “Mark-1 Plumbing,” the name of a Texas company that sells plumbing and plumbing equipment. The company’s owner immediately began to receive threats and accusations of sponsoring terrorists. However, he explained that he had sold his car in October 2013 and did not understand how the car got to the Islamists. For a year it managed to cross the ocean and take part in an armed conflict with a large caliber installed in the back.
In the summer of this year, the ill-fated Ford again fell into the group’s photo report - it still drives along the roads of Syria with the same inscription on board, advertising the Texas company to the militants in case they receive a green card and attend to the construction of their own home in the United States.

[Firework]

very funny! and if something else was advertised aboard a pickup truck? interesting to introduce

[just exp]

the owner seemed to be going to sue for the fact that the company the buyer (her company bought, not just a citizen) did not erase the inscription with the name of his office and contacts.

[Fregate]

Quote: just EXPL

the owner seemed to be going to sue for the fact that the company the buyer (her company bought, not just a citizen) did not erase the inscription with the name of his office and contacts.

Interestingly, what prevented him from erasing all this before selling himself?

[not main]

Quote: Fregate

Interestingly, what prevented him from erasing all this before selling himself?

And they have not accepted it! Passed a car and forgot!

[padded jacket]

The decision, of course, is good to develop a lightweight car with various weapons based on a civilian model, but still such "surrogates" as it seems to me should go for export and not for your army.

[donavi49]

Well, they use it the same way. And not only overseas SOF, but also completely domestic MTRs.

[seos]

And who needs them for export? Such shit even in Somalia in 5 minutes can do ..

[padded jacket]

Quote: seos

And who needs them for export?

Have you heard about the Toyota War?

[seos]

Toyota is a very reliable car and is several times cheaper .... This type of equipment is used not because of efficiency but because of price.

[padded jacket]

Quote: seos

Toyota is a very reliable car and is several times cheaper.

At times who is it cheaper?

[padded jacket]

Quote: seos

Who needs them for export?

Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, and many more countries where conflicts occur, fight on various "carts"
For example, Iraq:

[Vadmir]

but still such "surrogates" as it seems to me should go for export and not for their army.

And only in Islamic countries, where there are people with brainwashed so much that they fight.

[padded jacket]

Quote: Vadmir

And only in Islamic countries, where there are people with brainwashed so much that they fight.

On such machines they’re fighting not only in Islamic countries, they are fighting everywhere where there is war
For example, US special forces

[Doliva63]

If the US special forces are an example for you, then it's time to change the padded jacket to any of their "approximate" ammunition I don’t know 100% for the Russian Federation, but in the Union of Special Forces I had slightly different goals and objectives, therefore taking an example from them was considered stupid and not patriotic

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Doliva63

If the US special forces are an example for you, then it's time to change the padded jacket to any of their "approximate" ammunition I don’t know 100% for the Russian Federation, but in the Union of Special Forces I had slightly different goals and objectives, therefore taking an example from them was considered stupid and not patriotic

Yes, yes, yes ... and then in Afghanistan, maneuver groups had to get the same Toyota by any means.

... in August 1987, in Afghanistan, in the Registan desert, the 610th Special Forces detachment, numbering 45 people, was led by a company commander. The detachment included: an armored group on three BMP-2 senior lieutenant Semenasha, a group of senior lieutenant G. on two Ural vehicles with trophy machine guns DShK and KPVT mounted in bodies, a group of deputy company commander of the senior lieutenant Peremitin on two also trophy Toyotas (excellent 4x4 passenger car, manual gearbox, cabin for two people and a large body) with 12,7 mm UTES machine guns and one Ural with 14,5 mm KPVT. At the last was the company commander, who carried out general management of the actions of the groups.

© Sergey Vladimirovich Breslavsky - the commander of this unit
And here is a photo of such a group:

[Doliva63]

I know something, but who said it was right? In Chechnya, SpN was generally used as a GPP. Or is this also correct? You, like the majority on the site, probably not just to the intelligence, but to the army in general have never had a relationship. What are we going to argue about?

[padded jacket]

Quote: Doliva63

If the US special forces are an example for you, then it's time to change the padded jacket to any of their "approximate" ammunition

Well, here I’ll sort it out without you.

[Doliva63]

Well it is clear This is easier than understanding the topic.

[yuliatreb]

Yes, it will crumble at the first volley from the ACS, and then it will rot after the first exercises.

[Gray brother]

Quote: yuliatreb

Yes, it will crumble at the first volley from the ACS, and then it will rot after the first exercises.

1) These, they say, are reinforced, and an ordinary patrick takes more than 700 kg of cargo - why would he crumble, the suspension is quite strong.
2) In the army, cars do not rot - they are prohibited by the charter.

[yuliatreb]

So it is necessary not only for the needs of the army to be able to do, but also for the civilian population, so let the people surprise with quality in the beginning. I had experience of operating this technical product, and believe me, the trouble and worries were more than enough.

[Gray brother]

Quote: yuliatreb

as well as for the civilian population

The civilian population votes in rubles, with all that it implies. From the point of view of the manager, if the goods are sold, then nothing needs to be done.

[not main]

Quote: yuliatreb

So it is necessary not only for the needs of the army to be able to do, but also for the civilian population, so let the people surprise with quality in the beginning. I had experience of operating this technical product, and believe me, the trouble and worries were more than enough.

I have also had it since 2009, and I’ll say that there are no more problems than importing (we exclude China), and the price is much lower!

[Doliva63]

Maybe I don’t understand, but the article about intelligence - is there an AGS?

[VohaAhov]

Wheelbarrows "legalized")))

[Nemesis]

And what's the point of this? Putin and company decided to adopt a kind of jihad mobility in the Russian Federation? Yes, it’s cheap, but the demographic crisis is continuing in Russia, the fault of which is not the effective leadership of the state and the Russian Federation cannot afford large military losses, to which Islamic terrorist groups are not sensitive.

[Invoker39rus]

In Syria, the barmalei quietly hammer out the Syrian army from the carts, and quite successfully, or can you forget the experience of Chechnya? where because of the lack of armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles had zsushki sculpt on the Urals? just recently I saw the teachings of our troops in Tajikistan, so there is a standard 12.7 machine gun in the back with fighters and nothing. You cannot just take and ignore the Syrian experience.

[Nemesis]

You forgot the experience of Chechnya. You would often think about enemy snipers who will turn these UAZs into tin coffins for crews. In Syria, ISIS has almost unlimited human resources from Islamic radicals flocking there from all over the world and therefore are not sensitive to human losses. Russia cannot afford such losses, its human resources are extremely limited. Russia needs to take into account the experience of the Israeli army and equip its army with equipment that is as much as possible protected from enemy fire, and not the experience of ISIS ... which is completely inapplicable in Russian realities.

[Vadmir]

ISIS experience ... which is completely inapplicable in Russian realities.

I absolutely agree.

[Per se.]

Quote: Nemesis

Russia cannot afford such losses, its human resources are extremely limited. Russia needs to take into account the experience of the Israeli army and equip its army with equipment that is maximally protected from enemy fire, and not the experience of ISIL ... which is completely inapplicable in Russian realities.

This is exactly, they found someone to imitate, even the "belt of the shahid" would be adopted from the "Syrian experience." Long have been created BRDM-2, for patrol and reconnaissance, no, impressed by pickups suicide bombers. Indeed, well, they would have returned the cart too, but the trouble is, the horses are now expensive. The same BTR-40, make it a modernized version, upgrade the old ones, if you have survived, a million times better than this pornography with a machine gun on the Patriot. If they need UAZs in the army, they are not as good, and even “Hunters” are better than these “Patriots”. In the photo the BTR-40 is back in service.

[Doliva63]

I remember this machine - it was cramped, but it was cool to ride it! I would say that the younger brother of the BTR 152 was not used in reconnaissance in the late 60s, there were BRDM in the regimental reconnaissance, and GAZ-UAZ-69 in the division reconnaissance. So imitation has nothing to do with it.

[Nemesis]

I don’t know where you came from and who gave you the right to insult people here, but in the USSR BRDM-3 were used for reconnaissance, and not carts without armor ... In the USSR, the population was larger than in the Russian Federation and such a demographic hole as today There was no mention of the Russian Federation ... Now the Russian Federation needs exactly the experience of the Israeli army, because every person counts. This ISIS can afford suicide bombers on pickups, but not the Russian Federation

[Doliva63]

BRDM-3? Enlighten, maybe I missed something
But I understood your level of military training correctly

[Nemesis]

Your level is completely obvious to me, especially since before BRDM-3 there was BRDM-2, 4 versions of the BRDM-1, which differed in armament and reservation details. RHM-4 is a chemical reconnaissance vehicle based on the BTR-80. And similar Soviet models of armored vehicles designed for reconnaissance, developed from the 50s to the 90s .... Today in Moscow, people primarily think about how to save on the army, and you can save on quality only by tearing down soldiers and reducing combat effectiveness parts ... I can imagine what would happen to these UAZs if they participated in the assault on Grozny, or even escorted by supply convoys. They will not be enough for more than 15 seconds of battle ... enemy snipers will simply burn them, and the crews will turn into a sieve.

[Doliva63]

I know the equipment that was in service with the military intelligence of the USSR Armed Forces from the late 60s to the early 90s. Your BRDM-3 is the BTR 80, which differs from the base much less than the BRM from the BMP, for example
UAZ deep reconnaissance, where they were, could not participate in any assault by definition - they are intended for the arc. Especially funny to read about escorting columns
Look on the net for a book called “Fundamentals of the combat use of reconnaissance units and subunits of the Armed Forces” - you will learn a lot of new things, it seems True, with me it was published in a red cover, but now anything is possible.
During the service, I went through battalion reconnaissance (RV), regimental (RR), divisional (RDR), army (SPN), and completed the deputy chief intelligence of the army corps - do you think I understand anything about intelligence?

[Nemesis]

Where I was, this is not for the site, but I understand that now at UAZ you can only go to the morgue. Disguised blockposts, snipers do not leave a chance of survival for an unarmored tin ... Even the armored personnel carriers have little chance, but there is at least protection against bullets and an RPG grenade can give a rebound from armor at an angle ...

[mariusdeyeraleone]

Technique of production of South-Russia?

[Nimitz]

Unfortunately, I should note that the reliability, workmanship, resource of power units and transmissions of UAZ vehicles, loses significantly to any product that is used as a base for a jihad vehicle by ISIS supporters.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Nimitz

Unfortunately, I should note that reliability, workmanship, resource of power units and transmission of UAZ vehicles

If the military will dryuchat the factory for the jambs, then the damage from this will not be certain.

[Nimitz]

Quote: Gray Brother

Quote: Nimitz

If the military will dryuchat the factory for the jambs, then the damage from this will not be certain.

That's just a competent military acceptance and the hope that they will dump the current management of UAZ (I'm talking about those who have a Moscow residence permit) at least for the fact that all freight vehicles have leakage of technical fluids. And then they are dear to demand from dealers in the country super finishing materials for a car dealership, and oil is poured into the units at the right level, that’s nothing. In general, to accept for military service (which does not imply a reverent and loving attitude to technology), a car with extremely low real resource indicators is taxpayer money.

[Whaler]

For SPN and intelligence? Well, this is if, as an assiduous means of transportation in YOUR near rear ..... for the military police, it will do more, again to control its rear ... and for an sensible "jihad-mobile" ZUShka is needed, or a mortar .... ATGM - this is an ambush option

[Doliva63]

Seen a former intelligence officer!
At other times, I remember, groups were delivered to the rear by helicopters along with a vehicle. Then - a throw to the "district ...", the transport disguises itself, the group quickly does something, a throw on the transport to the new "district ...". Well, you understand me
Then in intelligence there were, like, 5-6 cars and 1 training. At that time, even science fiction writers did not know about jihadmobiles.

[Xscorpion]

Quote: quilted jacket

The decision, of course, is good to develop a lightweight car with various weapons based on a civilian model, but still such "surrogates" as it seems to me should go for export and not for your army.

This is a light patrol car, for plains and deserts. For inspection groups. They were handed over not just like that. The special forces know better what they need. They asked, they were given what was the problem?

[Doliva63]

Who will tell me where and how many UAZs in the intelligence and special forces state? In the early 80s, in my opinion, they disbanded the last company of deep intelligence, where they were. By the beginning of the 90s, there were ZILs in the Special Forces, in the DDR - BTR, BRDM, in regimental reconnaissance - BRM, BMP, in the battalion - BTR. Where UAZ stuck, interesting?

[Gray brother]

Quote: Doliva63

Where UAZ stuck, interesting?

Probably sold out. Army UAZs have always been in demand, there are many of them and they are still selling them since conservation.

[Doliva63]

It's clear with those I ask about the new state

[Gray brother]

Quote: Doliva63

With those it’s clear, I’m asking about the new staff

They have not been produced or bought for a couple of years, they are being written off. In exchange for the "Tigers" transplanted.
But fly cars are still needed, most likely the “Patriots” will go en masse.

[ljoha_d]

In my opinion this is a waste of money. It’s better to hang more protection on t72 b3

[Sergei75]

In, now the drug fields will be protected.
Such cars are good for dispersing their own people, but you can’t shoot for a long time on rough terrain, they will be removed in two counts.

[Old26]

Quote: quilted jacket

The decision, of course, is good to develop a lightweight car with various weapons based on a civilian model, but still such "surrogates" as it seems to me should go for export and not for your army.

About half a year ago, there was information that in two teams deployed in the North Caucasus, one battalion would be transferred to "jeeps" with weapons. So to say, "light infantry." Given the geography of the UK - far from the worst option

Quote: Doliva63

If the US special forces are an example for you, then it's time to change the padded jacket to any of their "approximate" ammunition I don’t know 100% for the Russian Federation, but in the Union of Special Forces I had slightly different goals and objectives, therefore taking an example from them was considered stupid and not patriotic

Of course, taking time-tested decisions, even if they are strangers, is not patriotic, especially if they are American. It’s better to act non-patriotically than to invent the same machine from improvised means under time pressure “on my knees”

[Vagarkov13 Agarkov]

Well, to hell with this, there are modern armor plates.

[raw174]

Patriot is a pretty good car. Reliable enough and passable (passability is worse than 469 with "army" bridges, but far from SUV), quite fast and comfortable. I think it will find its application, including in intelligence ...

[faiver]

its cross-country ability is worse than that of 469 with conventional axles without gears, and it has a hundred times more golovnyakov and comfort in an army car is not the main thing, it’s the main thing is functionality, reliability and maintainability, and by these parameters it’s a full “fifth point”. I’m not going to hunt farther than 5-10km on the patriot from the track on a patriot, and I can easily drive both the 469 and 100 and 200km on the good old carburetor 300 and I know that in the middle of the swamp there is no cellular connection in the swamps with the help of hands and "such a mother" I will make this car if something happens, but with a patriot or an imported jeep it will not work out ...

[raw174]

Quote: faiver

its passability is worse than that of 469 with conventional axles without gears,

In general, I agree, but you know that 60% of an SUV is a driver, 30% is off-road tires, and only 10% is a car. Nevertheless, a patriot is a rogue.

Quote: faiver

and golovnyakov is a hundred times more and comfort in an army car is not the main thing

I know a few Patriots from the brains, I have no problems with them ... My father has a Hunter with a 409 engine, he has problems with a razdatka, he sortes out 3-4 times a year, drags a cart of 6-7 tons (bees) to them ... And by comfort, not important, but also nice! Better to drive in a dusty, fairly quiet cabin ...

[padded jacket]

Quote: Doliva63

Well it is clear This is easier than understanding the topic.

That is, you naively think that you understand something?