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Why did the Grand Duke Romanov approve of the Bolsheviks?

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Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich Romanov occupies a special place among Russian political and military figures. Unlike many other representatives of the royal family, Grand Duke Alexander Romanov not only “lived a secular life”, but also made a huge contribution to strengthening the defense capability of the Russian Empire. He stood at the origins of the Russian military aviationby initiating the opening of an aeronautical school in Sevastopol. Being an admiral of the Russian fleet, Alexander Romanov advocated the construction of new battleships, contributed, to the best of his ability, the development of naval affairs. But even this is not the most surprising in the biography of the Grand Duke. His “Book of Memories”, which was published after the emigration of the Grand Duke from Russia, as well as interviews from the period of emigration, are striking in their attitude to the Bolsheviks and the post-revolutionary transformations in Russia.


Why did the Grand Duke Romanov approve of the Bolsheviks?


Alexander Romanov was able to see how Russia developed after the 1917 revolution of the year - he lived until 1933 and observed the gradual restoration of the state destroyed by the Civil War, the expansion of its borders, the revival of the army and navy, and industrialization. All this made a great impression on the Grand Duke. Aleksandr Mikhailovich Romanov was one of the few high-ranking emigrants who was not afraid to openly express respect for the actions of the Bolsheviks in restoring the power of the Soviet / Russian state and in fighting the enemies of Russia.

Alexander Mikhailovich Romanov was born in 1866 in the family of Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolaevich and Olga Fedorovna, and had a grandson of his own, Emperor Nicholas I. For his grandfather Alexander Mikhailovich retained the deepest respect, considering him a true patriot and collector of the Russian state. The last Russian emperor Nicholas II, Alexander Mikhailovich, was a great-uncle, although he was only two years older. The slight difference in age between the uncle and the nephew caused that Alexander Mikhailovich and Nikolai Aleksandrovich were close childhood friends.

In 1885, Alexander graduated from the Marine School as a midshipman and began serving in the navy. Unlike Nicholas II, he served fully - he passed all the posts and promoted in the service may be faster than the officers of less noble blood, but quite usually. In 1886, Alexander Mikhailovich participated in the round-the-world cruise of the corvette “Rynda”, and in 1892, he was entrusted to command the destroyer “Revel”. In the 1893 year, eight years after graduating from college, he still bore the rank of senior lieutenant (recall that Nicholas II became a colonel in 1892 year).

In 1894, the Grand Duke was finally fired in the captains of 2 rank. In addition to service in the fleet, Alexander Mikhailovich was actively engaged in the development of a program to strengthen the navy of the country and generally paid great attention to the development of the fleet. From 1899, the Grand Duke, who was already 33 of the year, served as a senior officer on the coastal defense battleship General-Admiral Apraksin. Only in 1903, he received the title of Rear Admiral of the Fleet and the position of the junior flagship of the Black Sea Fleet.
It was at the suggestion of Alexander Mikhailovich that a military aviation school was organized in Sevastopol. In 1908, Alexander became the chairman of the Imperial All-Russian Aeroclub, and then - the chief of the Imperial Military Air Force. In this position, he did a lot for the development of Russian aviation. Alexander Mikhailovich was among the officers and sailors of the Black Sea Fleet, military pilots and airmen soldiers. Perhaps it was this circumstance in 1918 that enabled him to avoid the terrible fate that awaited many of his relatives who had fallen into the hands of the Bolsheviks after the revolution.



Thus, we see that for most of his life, Alexander Mikhailovich was really engaged in business, serving the good of his native country. Perhaps it was patriotism and great life experience that helped the Grand Duke, who emigrated from Russia during the Civil War, to take a different look at Bolshevik politics. At the time of the revolution, Alexander Mikhailovich, who bore the rank of admiral, commanded the country's air force fleet. Like all other members of the Romanov dynasty, he was immediately dismissed from military service and soon moved to the Crimea, from where December 11 1918 emigrated to Europe, settling in France.

At first, Alexander Mikhailovich tried to participate in the white movement, seeking the support of the European powers. He then focused on the organizational issues of societies helping Russian émigrés. He somewhat changed his position in relation to the post-revolutionary events, and in relation to European allies. Thus, in his “Book of Memories”, Alexander Mikhailovich directly wrote that the British and other members of the Entente undertook such adventures in Russia that promoted the transformation of the Bolsheviks from revolutionaries-rebels into defenders of Russian independence. For example, the British created an independent Azerbaijan in order to gain control over Baku oil. Batum was turned into a “free city” under the protectorate of the British, precisely to ensure the delivery of Baku oil to the UK.

The independence of Georgia was also supported by the allies in order to gain access to its natural resources, and the French strengthened in Odessa, which at that time was the most important southern Russian port. So yesterday's allies became predators, tearing apart the "remnants" of the Russian Empire in their own interests. It became clear to a significant part of the real patriots in the White movement that the allies are not really such, but pursue only their own interests. In turn, the Bolsheviks became defenders of the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the Russian state, which was in a state of almost complete disintegration by the 1918 year.

This behavior of the Allies was a major blow to the White movement. Many generals and officers, not to mention ordinary soldiers and Cossacks, understood that some more and there would simply be no country, it would be divided between European powers, the USA and even Japan. In this situation, the Bolsheviks did not look as scary as before. If, prior to 1918, they were considered the subverters of the Russian state, then the attitude towards the Bolsheviks among many white officers began to change. Alexander Mikhailovich also wrote about the tragedy of Admiral Kolchak, a recognized hero, navigator and commander who discredited himself by signing a document with the Allied Powers, in which he promised not only to compensate the Allies for the damage suffered by “forced” actions on the territory of Russia, but also to recognize the independence of all States arising on the fragments of the Russian Empire. Thus, Admiral Kolchak agreed to recognize the collapse of Russia - the disconnection of the Caucasus, the Baltic states, Ukraine, and Central Asia. It is noteworthy that Kolchak himself was betrayed by allies who promised him help, and the money raised by Kolchak was appropriated. The immediate perpetrators of the death of Admiral Kolchak were not so much the reds, whose hatred for the admiral is understandable, as the traitors - the French general Janin and the leaders of the Czechoslovak Corps, who "surrendered" the admiral.

“The guardian of the Russian national interests was none other than the internationalist Lenin, who in his constant speeches did not spare the forces to protest against the division of the former Russian Empire, appealing to the working people of the whole world,” wrote Alexander Mikhailovich Romanov in his Book of Memories, - and this circumstance, in the opinion of the Grand Duke, made the position of the whites very difficult. The real patriots in their camp began to think more and more about what might be they and should not go along with the “allies” who only think about dividing and plundering Russia.

Subsequent история countries only confirmed the correctness of the words of Alexander Romanov. The Bolsheviks, having come to power, almost immediately engaged in the restoration of the Russian state in the former borders. At a time when the sovereignty of a number of self-proclaimed states that appeared on the fragments of the empire was recognized, the Bolsheviks made great efforts to ensure that the lands of the Caucasus, Central Asia, Ukraine, the Far East, and Eastern Siberia remained within a single state. Of course, it was not possible to do without losses - the Baltic states were disconnected, Bessarabia was under Romanian control, and Poland, which also gained sovereignty, retained control over the regions of Western Belarus and Western Ukraine.

When, in 1920, Alexander Mikhailovich, who was in France by this time, saw the headlines reporting, in a familiar “hats” manner, that the Polish regiments of Jozef Pilsudski would soon take Kiev and take control of Ukraine, the Grand Duke, as he confessed in an interview, he began to wholeheartedly wish the Red Army victory over the Poles - and this despite the fact that his family, his closest relatives were killed by the Bolsheviks. Concern for the territorial integrity of Russia turned out to be more important for the Grand Duke than his personal accounts. He understood that if the Poles succeed in victory, Russia will be deprived of the most important territories in the west of the country and it will become even more difficult to restore the former borders of the country.

The Grand Duke noted that the Soviets, willy-nilly, continued the very policy that had been going on for centuries, since the time of Ivan the Terrible, and consisted in collecting lands around Moscow and expanding the borders of the Russian state. The mouth of Alexander Romanov spoke the truth, because in the shortest possible time the Bolsheviks managed not only to restore Russia after the disasters of the First World War and the Civil War, but also to turn it into an even more powerful state than before. Already in 1930-ies, the Soviet Union turned into an industrial power capable of adequately resisting the West.

The role of the Bolsheviks in restoring Russian statehood was difficult not to recognize, and that part of the Russian political émigrés, who were real and not feigned patriots of their homeland, understood this very well. It is very gratifying that a representative of the roman family of the Romanovs, especially such a deserved as Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, was among the real patriots.

Another thing is that there were among the emigrants and those for whom personal insults were for relatives and friends, for lost estates and funds overshadowed everything else. They continued to speak ill of Soviet power and continued to hope that they could be overthrown, even with the help of foreign interventionists. Already after the death of Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich Romanov, this part of the Russian emigration showed its true face when it took the side of the terrible aggressor — Hitler’s Germany, which brought death and destruction to the Russian land. Although Hitler hoped to destroy a significant part of the Slavic population and enslave another part, these representatives of political emigration saw in him, first of all, the most important ally in the fight against the Bolsheviks. For this they were ready to forgive Hitler the destruction of millions of Russian people, the seizure of Russian lands, the destruction of the country's economic infrastructure. Krasnov, Shkuro, Sultan Girey Klych and other similar figures with their actions during the Second World War only contributed to further discredit white immigrants.
But there were other people among the representatives of emigration.

It is enough to recall the same Lieutenant General Peter Semenovich Makhrov - the former chief of staff of the VSYUR. When 22 June 1941, Hitler's Germany attacked the Soviet Union, Makhrov did not run to join the Wehrmacht, but wrote a letter to the Soviet ambassador to France, Bogomolov, asking him to enroll in the Red Army. 65-year-old general was ready to go to the service in the Red Army even an ordinary, just to take part in the defense of their homeland. But the letter was intercepted by Vichy censorship and General Makhrov was arrested, being in a concentration camp. Fortunately, thanks to connections in the French military leadership of 7 in December of 1941, he was released and lived for a long time, having already died at a very old age in 1964.

Lieutenant-General Pavel Alekseevich Kusonsky, unfortunately, was not lucky to be released. Former Quartermaster-General of the Volunteer Caucasian Army, and then Chief of Staff of the Corps at Wrangel, Kusonsky was active in the EMRO after emigration from Russia. 22 June 1941, he was arrested by the Gestapo on suspicion of working on Soviet intelligence. 22 August 1941, he died in a concentration camp from beatings. These were the real patriots - Russian officers from among white emigrants, but for some reason they are not talking about the monuments of Makhrov or Kusonsky in Russia, as opponents of the Soviet government and Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich Romanov do not like to recall.
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  1. bober1982
    bober1982 1 November 2017 15: 14 New
    +3
    Alexander Mikhailovich was in the Masonic lodge, it is well known, there is no secret. Hence the love of the Bolsheviks.
    His memoirs must be treated with caution, often lies.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 1 November 2017 15: 21 New
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      Quote: bober1982
      Alexander Mikhailovich was in the Masonic lodge, it is well known, there is no secret. Hence the love of the Bolsheviks.

      Well, well..Is this all that you tortured yourself to come up with "love" between the Masons and the Bolsheviks?
      1. Hantengri
        Hantengri 1 November 2017 21: 06 New
        +8
        Quote: badens1111
        Well, well..Is this all that you tortured yourself to come up with "love" between the Masons and the Bolsheviks?

        Uh! Why did they "incite", yes! Beaver, simply, did not have time to exhale on time. laughing
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 1 November 2017 21: 10 New
          +5
          Quote: HanTengri
          Beaver, simply, did not have time to exhale on time.

          What .. again .. shot on hack .. ugh, dive ??? wassat Hmm ... I had to wait .. laughing
      2. bober1982
        bober1982 2 November 2017 10: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: badens1111
        That’s all that you tortured yourself by inventing

        Alexander Mikhailovich was not only a freemason, but also a great lover of spiritualistic sessions and all kinds of mysticism, and this is also not a big secret.
        I repeat once again - you should not trust his words too much, otherwise you know ........ votes from there They told him some nonsense, should I believe his words?
        1. Alex_59
          Alex_59 2 November 2017 10: 52 New
          +3
          Quote: bober1982
          I repeat once again - you should not trust his words too much, otherwise you know ........ voices from there told him some nonsense, should I believe his words?

          Well, family. One bearded holy fool through a woman dictates how to rule the country. The second spiritualistic sessions is carried away. Here you will inevitably become a supporter of the Bolsheviks.
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 2 November 2017 11: 01 New
            +1
            Quote: Alex_59
            Well, family

            Degenerate, this is the reason - therefore, the last king was betrayed by his own relatives.
            Quote: Alex_59
            One bearded holy fool through a woman dictates how to rule the country

            But here I do not agree, they hated Alexander Fedorovna (relatives, aristocracy), like the tsar. Both the tsar and the tsarina were different from these (modesty, honesty), they were not degenerates, unlike some relatives.
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 2 November 2017 12: 15 New
              +3
              Quote: bober1982
              Both the king and the queen differed from these (modesty, honesty), they were not degenerates, unlike some relatives.

              Oh .. I still light a penitent penitent and repent, repent and repent. Only do not write nonsense here about this family, there were different people, from absolutely turned out to be incapable of managing Nicholas 2 to his relatives .. for example, Grand Duke Alexey Alexandrovich Romanov, as he could, led the Naval Department and the Russian fleet.
              His contemporary, Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich Romanov, recalled: “A secular man from head to toe, whom the women spoiled, Alexey Alexandrovich traveled a lot. The mere thought of being able to spend a year away from Paris would force him to resign. But he was in the public service and held the position of no more and no less than the admiral of the Russian Imperial Navy. It was difficult to imagine the more modest knowledge that this admiral of a powerful state had on maritime affairs.
              The mere mention of modern transformations in the navy caused a pained grimace on his handsome face. "
              And what did Nicholas 2 write about his resignation request?
              Yes .. "The record was kept in Nicholas II's diary:" May 30, Monday. Uncle Alexei announced today that he wants to leave now. Due to the seriousness of the arguments made by him, I agreed. It’s painful and hard for him, poor man! .. "" Oh, go on, it hurts him, but for the drowned under Tsushima Fleet, Nikalska Mediocre not sorry?
              And this one?
              Sergey Mikhailovich Romanov.
              Even in spite of the Russian-French alliance, the German Krupp regularly supplied his best samples to Russia, where they were refused. The key role was played by the Grand Duke Sergei Mikhailovich, who until 1917 led the Russian artillery. The prince and his mistress Matilda Kshesinskaya received large bribes and precious gifts from French firms and defense orders.
              The result was an anecdotal situation: the Krupp guns won the Franco-Prussian war in 1870, and Russia decided to abandon them in favor of the losing side.
              No less than bribes, the army itself was damaged by Nicholas II. Due to his technical illiteracy, he made decisions that pushed the army to the abyss.
              To start the post, Minister of Defense Alexander Rediger lost, a highly educated man, the author of a number of military-scientific works - Nicholas II did not like criticism.
              When Alexander Rediger pointed to the deplorable state of affairs in the Russian army and recognized the need for change, his fate was decided. He was fired by a rescript dated March 11, 1909.
              So there is no need here to sing about Romanov praises, since there was one decent in the family who told the TRUTH, so do not slander him in vain, he knows more about you than you breathed and how the reigning family lived.
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 2 November 2017 12: 22 New
                +1
                Quote: badens1111
                and repent, repent and repent

                By the way, this favorite topic was invented by the CIA, this is also well known.
                Quote: badens1111
                So do not sing here about the Romanov praises

                I say that the dynasty has degenerated, and you are about some praises.
                Quote: badens1111
                he knows more than you than breathed and how the reigning family lived.

                I heard a lot of voices at the seances. Maybe they taught me how to speak about the Bolsheviks, but who knows.
                1. long in stock.
                  long in stock. 2 November 2017 19: 34 New
                  +2
                  the dynasty is far from all. I remember a couple of kings for disagreeing with the role of the ruling class they simply nailed .. so the retinue plays the king .. and yes, the church somehow didn’t exalt the murder of the anointed ones ..
              2. Severok
                Severok 2 November 2017 23: 23 New
                0
                Shake your hand. I would not be able to say better.
              3. fluffyduck
                fluffyduck 10 July 2019 04: 30 New
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                Oh, go on, it hurts him, but is Nikal Shack not mediocre for the drowned under Tsushima Fleet?


                So, the Japanese then drowned the fleet, sort of ... or did I mess up something fresh?
              4. fluffyduck
                fluffyduck 10 July 2019 04: 33 New
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                Krupp’s guns won the Franco-Prussian war in 1870, and Russia decided to abandon them in favor of the losing side.


                They won the Franco-Prussian, but lost the First World War. Therefore, she refused correctly
              5. fluffyduck
                fluffyduck 10 July 2019 04: 35 New
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                the army itself was damaged by Nicholas II


                Well, yes, after the Great Retreat of 1915, he himself had to lead the army. And the retreat immediately stopped. From a pest then!
            2. Seal
              Seal 5 November 2017 19: 47 New
              +1
              Both the king and the queen differed from these (modesty, honesty), they were not degenerates, unlike some relatives.

              The Tsar, still being an heir, was distinguished by the fact that he neglected the interests of the country and the dynasty, choosing a bride as his wife, who had a 50% chance of passing hemophilia through her to the future heir. And with hemophilia then they lived no more than 14 years. That is, Nicholas II deliberately jeopardized the principle of succession to the throne and thereby created a dynastic crisis.
              As well as Alix, who, knowing that with a probability of at least 50%, is the carrier of the hemophilia gene, she nevertheless wanted to become the Russian Empress. She would have married some German prince or duke - there would be no questions in her. But experimenting on the Russian Empire is not permissible.
              1. Vladimir 5
                Vladimir 5 27 March 2018 16: 28 New
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                You got to the point, they all dissuaded Nikolai Alexandrovich from the wedding with Princess Victoria Alisa ... of the Hesse-Darmstadt, knowing her character and possibilities, but he posed the question with an edge - either the permission for the wedding or he renounces all obligations. The constant short-sighted and non-state behavior of Nikolai Alexandrovich at the end led the Russian Empire to disaster ......
                1. fluffyduck
                  fluffyduck 10 July 2019 04: 37 New
                  0
                  but he posed the question with an edge - either permission for the wedding, or he renounces all duties
                  - and who is the author of this story?
              2. fluffyduck
                fluffyduck 10 July 2019 04: 25 New
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                a bride who had a 50% chance of transmitting hemophilia through her to the future heir


                Well, yes, the bride had a chance of hemophilia written on her forehead
      3. fluffyduck
        fluffyduck 10 July 2019 04: 43 New
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        Well, well..Is this all that you tortured yourself to come up with "love" between the Masons and the Bolsheviks?


        Remember the exciting epic saga about Kerensky’s flight in a woman’s dress on the car of the American consulate? So, the soviet fairy tale has a continuation - to escape, then he escaped, but not far - to the elite cottage village Siverskaya near Gatchina. And he lived there for six months on the territory controlled by the Bolsheviks. Here is some kind of love then ... not Khuhra-Mukhra ...
    2. Hantengri
      Hantengri 1 November 2017 20: 55 New
      +7
      Quote: bober1982
      His memoirs should be treated with caution.

      Like, and to all memoirs. Narrative source, however! lol
      Quote: bober1982
      often cheats.

      Human nature sir! Almost any memoirist, in his own eyes, is all such d'Artagnan, exclusively in white. Well, all the other participants, either Dobermans Pinchers, or just ... got out.
      Quote: bober1982
      Alexander Mikhailovich was in the Masonic lodge, it is well known, there is no secret. Hence the love of the Bolsheviks.

      And, here, Beaver, BREATHE, exhale, BOBER! Here you are already, not childishly flattened! wassat
    3. Sergei75
      Sergei75 1 November 2017 21: 38 New
      +1
      Well, don’t. They and the Bolsheviks still had that “love”.
    4. Seal
      Seal 5 November 2017 20: 11 New
      0
      Quote: bober1982
      Alexander Mikhailovich was in the Masonic lodge, it is well known, there is no secret.

      Is it known ... from Kerensky and Berberova? Or are there facts?
    5. fluffyduck
      fluffyduck 10 July 2019 04: 21 New
      0
      Memoirs can be treated differently, but not in this text. none quotes from memoirs. Here is another gustopovskoy fantasy of a red revenge-seeker immersed in parallel reality
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 1 November 2017 15: 26 New
    10
    he was immediately dismissed from military service
    ... by the interim government ...
    Since 1899, the Grand Duke, who was already 33 years old, served as a senior officer on the battleship of the coastal defense "Admiral General Apraksin."
    ... Service at Apraksin gave the Grand Duke invaluable experience, which formed the basis of his design work. In 1900, the military completed the sketch of the naval battleship of the coast guard Admiral Butakov. He became a rethinking of Apraksin. Together with Alexander Mikhailovich, the chief ship engineer of the capital port Dmitry Skortsov worked on the project. Another fruit of the design work of the Grand Duke is the project of the squadron battleship with a displacement of 14 thousand tons. He received sixteen guns. The identical project, simultaneously with Alexander Mikhailovich, was completed by the famous shipbuilding engineer Vittorio Kuniberti. This sketch became the foundation for the construction of Regina Elena class ships. The difference between the idea of ​​Kuniberti and the Grand Duke was only that the idea of ​​the Italian, unlike the variation of Romanov, was nevertheless realized. And the memoirs of Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich are quite interesting and I would say objective ...
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 1 November 2017 15: 29 New
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      Quote: parusnik
      And the memoirs of Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich are quite interesting and I would say objective ...

      That is why the first comment appeared, shouting "Masons, Masons ..." that all the tales of Nicholas 2, as well as of the supposedly evil will of the Bolsheviks, are destroying.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 1 November 2017 15: 31 New
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        Duc is clear stump of Alexander Mikhailovich in the Bolsheviks can not be written, so it is clear that the Freemason and perhaps greedy .. and a liar ...
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 1 November 2017 15: 32 New
          +4
          Quote: parusnik
          Duc is clear stump of Alexander Mikhailovich in the Bolsheviks can not be written, so it is clear that the Freemason and perhaps greedy .. and a liar ...

          It seems that you are right .. it is about this and they will begin to write here proclamations of various kinds of opusmeisters ..
        2. bober1982
          bober1982 2 November 2017 08: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: parusnik
          maybe greedy

          It is quite possible that Alexander III considered all Mikhailovich Jews to be, literally.
    2. long in stock.
      long in stock. 1 November 2017 19: 30 New
      +2
      from only I still didn’t understand why a seafarer battleship of the coast guard was needed. He couldn’t catch the cruiser, but he couldn’t get in touch with battleships either ..
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 1 November 2017 21: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: long in stock.
        from just me

        here it is necessary to ask a dock in these matters, Andrei from Chelyabinsk, he would explain what was happening. yes
        1. long in stock.
          long in stock. 2 November 2017 07: 07 New
          +1
          Well, ask no matter how ..
  3. Eurodav
    Eurodav 1 November 2017 15: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: bober1982
    Alexander Mikhailovich was in the Masonic lodge, it is well known, there is no secret. Hence the love of the Bolsheviks.
    His memoirs must be treated with caution, often lies.

    Here are a thousand pluses for you!
  4. Eurodav
    Eurodav 1 November 2017 15: 42 New
    +2
    Quote: badens1111
    Quote: bober1982
    Alexander Mikhailovich was in the Masonic lodge, it is well known, there is no secret. Hence the love of the Bolsheviks.

    Well, well..Is this all that you tortured yourself to come up with "love" between the Masons and the Bolsheviks?

    Read the Story about it and you will have to torture yourself! Moreover, this is already an open secret, why only you do not know. Documents are declassified, stored both in our country and in the West, in the public domain you can find ... if you look! So man didn’t come up with anything!
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 1 November 2017 16: 39 New
      10
      Quote: Evrodav
      Read The Story

      Is it you yourself? And for yourself?
      So teach her, this story, so as not to look like a complete ignoramus.
      Your liberals of that time muddied the coup, and blame all the Bolsheviks, oh and the sages ... then you have Freemasons, then Martians, then someone else, but not you and your kind, that then the country was blundered, that 90 is exactly the same And again, your subsequent cries about the "Bolshevik-Communists" will fly by, cardholders in the form of a party card. Not the same as the carrier of the Idea.
      And those who at that time, and then in 89, brought down the country, always and everywhere have one title, the Traitor of the country
      1. fluffyduck
        fluffyduck 10 July 2019 04: 48 New
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        Your liberals of that time muddied the coup


        The coup is not the Holodomor (in fact, the three Holodomor: 1921-1922, 1932-1933, 1946-1947)
  5. Eurodav
    Eurodav 1 November 2017 15: 45 New
    +2
    Quote: badens1111
    Quote: parusnik
    And the memoirs of Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich are quite interesting and I would say objective ...

    That is why the first comment appeared, shouting "Masons, Masons ..." that all the tales of Nicholas 2, as well as of the supposedly evil will of the Bolsheviks, are destroying.

    This is not why a comment appeared, but from knowledge! Who is stopping you from self-learning? Discover a lot for yourself if you try ...
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 1 November 2017 16: 35 New
      +6
      Be so kind as to indicate what materials to read? Protocols of the Red Wise Men or some other literature. I'm really interested
    2. badens1111
      badens1111 1 November 2017 16: 40 New
      +6
      Quote: Evrodav
      Who is stopping you from learning

      Learn.
      So far, apart from slurred mumbling of some known dubious truths to you, nothing more, in the wake of your client, you have been able to give out.
  6. Monarchist
    Monarchist 1 November 2017 16: 52 New
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    Ilya, thank you for the story of an extraordinary person. Agree that Alexander Mikhailovich stands out from the environment of the last sovereign. Many aristocrats and representatives of the House of Romanov served in the Navy, but only Alexander Mikhailovich thought about how to improve the battleship. He did a lot for the Russian aviation, and to get higher than personal insults is expensive.
    Gather the courage to forget all insults (death of loved ones), to be "thrown out" from your "nest" and to recognize the correctness of your enemies, for this you need to love your homeland.
    Such as Alexander Mikhailovich Romanov, General Makhrov and others are worthy of respect
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 1 November 2017 17: 02 New
      +4
      Quote: Monarchist
      Such as Alexander Mikhailovich Romanov,

      Quote: Monarchist
      worthy of respect

      That's it.
    2. fluffyduck
      fluffyduck 10 July 2019 04: 54 New
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      Gather the courage to forget all insults (death of loved ones), to be "thrown out" from your "nest" and to recognize the correctness of your enemies, for this you need to love your homeland.


      Here are just at least one quote in the opus under discussion about the love of our hero’s homeland and the oblivion of brutal massacres against family people. Well, purely to read and to cry
  7. DimanC
    DimanC 1 November 2017 18: 48 New
    +1
    Interestingly, which Bolsheviks shot the imperial family?
  8. tank64rus
    tank64rus 1 November 2017 21: 35 New
    +1
    Yes, 90-95% of the population of Russia, including part of the Romanovs themselves, wanted the revolution. Watch the movie "Michman Panin". Incidentally based on real events and everything becomes clear.
  9. Olgovich
    Olgovich 2 November 2017 10: 53 New
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    the tragedy of Admiral Kolchak - a recognized hero, navigator and commander who discredited himself by signing a document with the Allied Powers, which promised not only to compensate the Allies for the damage suffered by "forced" actions on the territory of Russia, but also to recognize the independence of all states that arose on the fragments Russian empire. Thus, Admiral Kolchak agreed to recognize the collapse of Russia - the separation of the Caucasus, Ukraine, and Central Asia.

    Can an author submit a REAL document about this? No, it cannot, because it does not exist.
    The allies supported the independence of Georgia in order to gain access to its natural resources, and the French strengthened in Odessa

    Once again Georgia declared independence under the ultimatum of GERMANY, not the Entente. The Bolsheviks abandoned Odessa in the Brest Peace-what claims to the allies ?.

    The Brest peace led to the independence of Transcaucasia, which rejected the Brest conspiracy.
    Poland retained control over the regions of Western Belarus and Western Ukraine
    .
    Is the Entente again to blame? She proposed the Curzon Line, which the Bolsheviks rejected and went on to the West. For which they lost Zap Ukraine and Belarus. But Stalin then referred to her as an independent arbitration.
    As for the freemason A.M. Romanov, then his book in the part of the famous panegyric to the Bolsheviks does not exist in the original.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 2 November 2017 12: 28 New
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      Quote: Olgovich
      Can an author submit a REAL document about this?

      Enough with you and this
      http://sovsojuz.mirtesen.ru/blog/43037031170/1.-K
      olchak-% E2% 80% 94-britanskiy-ofitser-s-dekabrya-19
      17-go .-- 2.-Kolchak-
      Few?
      Well then enough of that.
      Kolchak was recruited by British intelligence when he was still a captain of the 1st rank and commander of a mine division in the Baltic Fleet. It happened at the turn of 1915-1916. This was already a betrayal of the tsar and the Fatherland, on which he swore allegiance and kissed the cross! Have you ever wondered why the Entente fleets in 1918 quietly entered the Russian sector of the Baltic Sea? After all, he was mined! In addition, in the confusion of the two revolutions of 1917, no one removed the minefields because when he entered the service of His Majesty, Kolchak received the British intelligence for all information about the location of minefields and obstacles in the Russian sector of the Baltic Sea! After all, it was he who carried out this mining, and he had on his hands all the maps of minefields and barriers.

      Further. As you know, on June 28, 1916 Kolchak was appointed commander of the Black Sea Fleet. However, this happened with the direct patronage of the British intelligence resident in Russia, Colonel Samuel Hor and the British ambassador to the Russian Empire, Buchanan. This is the second betrayal, because Kolchak, becoming a commander of one of the most important Russian fleets at that time, took upon himself certain obligations to British intelligence, which was very "sensitive" to Russia's military activity in areas adjacent to the Black Sea Straits. And in the end, he simply abandoned the fleet and in August 1917 secretly fled to England.
      https://aloban75.livejournal.com/1509097.html
      Quote: Olgovich
      The Brest peace led to the independence of Transcaucasia, which rejected the Brest conspiracy.

      Blah blah blah, how many times you don’t dare to lie about the Brest peace as many times and sit in a puddle.
      Speaking about the Brest Peace (March 3, 1918), we cannot limit ourselves to the events immediately preceding it. We must take the facts together and evaluate what happened in Brest, at least taking into account the events of the February Revolution. It was then that the rampant national betrayal began, which Putin argues about.

      Everyone knows that the highest generals violated the oath to the Emperor by committing national treason against historical Russia.

      Even individual representatives of the imperial family, for example, Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolayevich, who, with hypocritical hypocrisy "kneeling" prayed for Nicholas to abdicate the Throne, adhered to this betrayal.

      There is nothing to say about liberals who infiltrated state structures, raged in politics - they fiercely hated the Russian Autocracy, under whose flag Russia had been walking for several centuries, having achieved great historical successes.

      The sovereign, who drank the cup of humiliation, leaving Pskov on March 2, 1917, after meeting with generals Ruzsky and Danilov, as well as the Duma members Guchkov and Shulgin, had every reason to write in his diary: "Around treason and cowardice and deceit."

      And what is treason? Treason is betrayal. That's when the national betrayal of Russia ensued.
      http://ss69100.livejournal.com/2679090.html
      I note that you, “Olgovich”, unlike the scientist Froyanov, are nowhere other than in the pages of VO nothing, as something worthy of attention in historical science, not noticed for their complete unsuitability, is it worth it to you to once again demonstrate your caveman anti-Sovietism and Russophobia? Or are there some responsibilities that force you to use Western myths from time to time?
      Quote: Olgovich
      Is the Entente again to blame? She proposed the Curzon Line, which the Bolsheviks rejected and went on to the West. For which they lost Zap Ukraine and Belarus.

      To lie not comme il faut, but to drag in order to cover up your lies, the Stalin you hate, betrays you completely.
      ANTANTA, yes, is to blame for the losses for Russia in the Civil War provoked and supported by them.
      Quote: Olgovich
      As for the freemason A.M. Romanov, then his book in the famous part panegyric Bolsheviks do not exist in the original.

      Another blah blah blah, when there is nothing to cover, as Yosiya Goebbels bequeathed, you start throwing dirt, maybe it will stick, right?
      PANEGIRIK, and not “Panegerek,” you see confusing something with something, not understanding the meaning of the words.
      1. fluffyduck
        fluffyduck 10 July 2019 05: 06 New
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        Have you ever wondered why the Entente fleets in 1918 quietly entered the Russian sector of the Baltic Sea? After all, he was mined!


        Oh, and how did the Russian boats sail there, and even took part in clashes with the Germans? Ah, I get it! Tsarist reptilians at first mine-artillery positions were muddied, and then they blew up all artillery and mined the entire water area! Stopudovo!
      2. fluffyduck
        fluffyduck 10 July 2019 05: 21 New
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        As you know, on June 28, 1916 Kolchak was appointed commander of the Black Sea Fleet. However, this happened with the direct patronage of British intelligence resident in Russia Colonel Samuel Hor and the British ambassador to the Russian Empire, Buchanan


        Yeah, "appointed." By decree of the emperor, in violation of seniority rights, Kolchak was promoted to vice admiral ... Well, we know that. that Nicholas II was a Buchanan puppet! What can I say - some spies and pests all around ... Stalin was not on them!
      3. fluffyduck
        fluffyduck 10 July 2019 05: 37 New
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        And in the end, he [Kolchak] simply abandoned the fleet and in August 1917 secretly fled to England.


        And what, Wikipedia is lying as always ?: "[American emissary] Ruth turned to the Provisional Government, at the meeting of which on June 28 the question [about Kolchak’s business trip to the USA] was resolved <...> In a letter on October 12, 1917, Kolchak wrote: ... my stay in America is a form of political exile and it’s unlikely that my appearance in Russia will be pleasant to some of the members of this government
        - A.V. Kolchak. October 12, 1917 "
      4. fluffyduck
        fluffyduck 10 July 2019 05: 44 New
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        Blah blah blah, how many times do you not take to lie about the Brest peace as many times and sit in a puddle
        - The Brest Peace is an unprecedented event in world history when five minutes ago a great power capitulated to an adversary who lost the war.
      5. fluffyduck
        fluffyduck 10 July 2019 05: 47 New
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        ANTANTA, yes, is to blame for the losses for Russia in the Civil War provoked and supported by them.


        The Entente supported the civil war, but did not provoke it. The Bolsheviks provoked.
    2. Seal
      Seal 5 November 2017 20: 00 New
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      Georgia declared independence under the ultimatum of GERMANY

      Excuse me, but to whom Germany has announced an ultimatum?
      The Bolsheviks abandoned Odessa in the Brest Peace

      And this is in which article? If you are hinting at the line indicated in the appendix, then Odessa is located much east of this line.
  10. Luga
    Luga 2 November 2017 11: 01 New
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    Somehow, there is a somewhat languid “fermentation of the masses” between patriots-communistophiles and patriots-communistophobes ... I expected, so to speak, more.
    According to the hero of the article, I want to say that, probably, he really was a worthy person - not stupid and active. If he really managed to reconcile himself internally with the Bolsheviks, honor and praise be to him.
    Thanks to the author. It was interesting.
    These were real patriots - Russian officers from among white emigrants, but for some reason we are not talking about monuments to Makhrov or Kusonsky in Russia

    Perhaps it would be worth asking such a question on the eve of the day of consent and reconciliation and the centenary of the October Revolution, that is, to honor the memory of those who really reconciled with this revolution, initially being its enemy. This is much more correct than hanging up the bloody sucker Mannerheim or putting up a monument to the just hanged traitor Krasnov.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 2 November 2017 12: 30 New
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      Quote: Luga
      This is much more correct than hanging up the bloody sucker Mannerheim or putting up a monument to the just hanged traitor Krasnov.

      Take, for example, General Slashchev-Krymsky. One of the most talented white generals. However, having visited a foreign land, I realized that there is a MOTHERLAND and who needs to be served. Here are so, yes there are hundreds of them, monuments really need to be erected, and not this mannergekolchaksemenenokrasnovym.
    2. fluffyduck
      fluffyduck 10 July 2019 06: 13 New
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      to hang up the boards to the bloody prisoner Mannerheim, or to erect a monument to the just hanged traitor Krasnov


      Well, the monuments to the organizer of the Red Terror must be preserved - and well, our state is fighting terrorism, put on so that the people look at the monuments of enti and are in good shape, alertness, significant. so as not to lose
  11. ism_ek
    ism_ek 2 November 2017 12: 05 New
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    The October Revolution was an inevitable consequence of the February Revolution. The revolutions in France and England brought a comparable number of victims. You could only escape from saving the king.
  12. Yuri Simonov
    Yuri Simonov 4 November 2017 13: 17 New
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    If the whites came to power, they would also preserve the territory of the empire, and Alexander Romanov would approve of their actions. Only then would Poland and Finland remain in the empire, and even the Baltic states. Another thing is the methods by which the Bolsheviks achieved this and which could be achieved, that is, without the red terror that caused the White Terror as an answer. And the civil war, which in no way contributed to the strengthening of the empire, was fanned by the Bolsheviks, who needed great upheavals to keep power, and not Great Russia, as Stolypin noted.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 4 November 2017 13: 35 New
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      Quote: Yuri Simonov
      If

      To write so much and all some myths .. did you study at school for an hour? Or did you skip all the lessons at all? Do you even read anything besides the yellow newspapers and the fantasies of various opusmasters on alternative reality?

      The October Revolution accomplished the following tasks that influenced the entire further development of the world:
      - united in a single state the country destroyed in February 1917;
      - created a new socialist socio-political system, which was of great historical significance.
      Today the ill-wishers of Russia, all of these anti-Soviet and Russophobia, falsifiers of our history, are trying to prove that the October Revolution is positively appreciated by the Communists and the mentally disabled citizens who are hungry for revenge. But history itself appreciated it positively, and only those completely incapable of thinking about the personalities and direct servants of the West may not notice the great positive historical mission of the October Revolution.
      B.V. Nikolsky, who had every reason to hate the Bolsheviks (executed in 1919), admitted that the Bolsheviks, nevertheless, unlike those who came to power in February, rule, yet they are building the state - moreover, they are building “with with such inhuman tension that no previous figures would have been able to withstand. ”
      https://tvzvezda.ru/news/qhistory/content/2017011
      10758-6v5b.htm
      And this is about who Nikolsky is.
      http://az.lib.ru/n/nikolxskij_b_w/text_1918_pisma
      _k_sadovskomu.shtml
      1. fluffyduck
        fluffyduck 10 July 2019 06: 26 New
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        The October Revolution united the country destroyed in February 1917 into a single state


        Well, yes, it was the Februaryists who handed out independence to the Baltic States and Finland. And even a little Kamchatka America did not sell https://ruskline.ru/news_rl/2018/04/24/kak_ilich_kamchatku_prodaval/
      2. fluffyduck
        fluffyduck 10 July 2019 06: 28 New
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        The October Revolution created a new socialist socio-political system, which was of great historical significance.


        The socialist system was created by Finland, which twice managed to bounce off the scoop. And the October Revolution created a degenerative scoop, a prison of nations, a gas station with missiles, a factory of death, lies, arbitrariness, scarcity and marriage.
      3. fluffyduck
        fluffyduck 10 July 2019 06: 35 New
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        B.V. Nikolsky, who has every reason to hate the Bolsheviks


        One must be homosexual, with an absolute absence of conscience, humanity and reason in order to quote the unfortunate Nikolsky, who, either from a hangover, or in a dull mind, blurted out absurdity.

        "Recently, Professor B. Nikolsky was shot, - we read the entry in the diary of Z. N. Gippius. - His property and a magnificent library were confiscated. Remained - a daughter of 18 years old and a son of 17. The other day, his son was demanded of" All-Education "(universal military training ). He came. There he immediately commissar with a laughter announced (jokers these commissars!): "Do you know where your dad’s body is? We fed his animals! "

        The animals of the Zoological Garden, who have not yet died, are fed with fresh corpses of the executed, since the Peter and Paul Fortress is close, everyone knows. But the relatives did not seem to have been announced before. The announcement had such an effect on the boy that he was delirious for the fourth day. (I know the name of the commissioner.)

        Yesterday, Dr. H. consoled I.I. [Manukhina] that they are now well settled in spite of the lack of meat: the heart and liver of human corpses are passed through a meat grinder and peptones, culture medium, broth are produced ... for the culture of bacilli, for example. This doctor was extremely amazed when I.I. suddenly screamed that he could not stand such a “glum” over the human body, and ran away, grabbing his cap "16. (The wife of Professor B.V. Nikolsky, the daughter of the famous publisher of Istorichny Vestnik, survived the death of her husband and son, jumped out of the window after her daughter’s third arrest).

        https://ruskline.ru/monitoring_smi/2006/12/08/a_my_vashego_papashku_zver_kam_skormili_okonchanie
  13. Yuri Simonov
    Yuri Simonov 4 November 2017 13: 18 New
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    Quote: ism_ek
    The October Revolution was an inevitable consequence of the February Revolution. The revolutions in France and England brought a comparable number of victims. You could only escape from saving the king.

    This is exactly
  14. Dzungar
    Dzungar 4 November 2017 16: 43 New
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    As I know, the considerable cost of warships being built in Russia and abroad went into the pocket of the Grand Duke ... The kickbacks to him were not bad
    1. fluffyduck
      fluffyduck 10 July 2019 06: 36 New
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      As I know, the considerable cost of warships being built in Russia and abroad went into the pocket of the Grand Duke ... The kickbacks to him were not bad
      - What candle did you hold?
  15. Seal
    Seal 5 November 2017 20: 02 New
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    Quote: Dzungar
    As I know, the considerable cost of warships being built in Russia and abroad went into the pocket of the Grand Duke ..

    All that you know. So can you tell which particular prince? And how exactly did these “kickbacks” go?