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President Putin’s Statement on the Contract Army in Russia

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Once again, now from the mouth of the president, we learned about the upcoming abolition of conscription. Not tomorrow, not even the day after tomorrow, but the call will be canceled. Russia will fully switch to the contract army. Vladimir Putin 24 of October spoke unequivocally about this. Is it correct? Will the abolition of the appeal be able to maintain the country's defense and reduce the burden on the financial system? Or was the statement made in favor of a certain part of the “electorate” in the framework of the upcoming presidential elections in Russia?


President Putin’s Statement on the Contract Army in Russia


The question of a professional army is rather complicated for our country. How many arguments for and against we have already heard. And, most importantly, almost no one listens to the direct participants in the events, current officers and generals of the Russian army. Beautiful words about civil society and democracy have become the stumbling block about logic.

What today advocate a professional army? Alas, there is nothing new in this position. Remember, in the 90-ies among young people the most common opinion was: "Two years thrown out of life." And conscripts were hiding by all means from military registration boards. The police raided ambushes on the future defenders of the country. And on returning home they were looked upon as idiots. I could not "hang out", which means that either the moron or the beggar did not buy off ...

Today, at the highest level, they say that the best personnel should be protected for the development of the economy. There is nothing to do graduates in the army. For this there is a "people". Let's increase the allowance for contractors, and the "people" from the local hopelessness will go to serve. Any Vasya Pupkin from a Siberian or Far Eastern village, where to earn 20 thousand heroism a month, with a salary in 30-40 thousand, will gallop into a part at a gallop. Also, he will be entreated to be taken. Kneeling to stand.

It is clear that Muscovites or St. Petersburg for the money "can not buy." But there is also the "level of education"! It is there that the most necessary are concentrated for the development of the economy and something else there. Let them develop! Yes, and the health of these very Muscovites God offended. Every third "living corpse", according to Moscow medicine. And on the periphery live eagles! Slightly feed, that's all. Ready guardsman.

"The case of the contract army" began Yeltsin. With whom filing, I will not wang. I think most readers have their own opinions on this issue. What for? Official: to transform the Armed Forces into modern, well-trained military units. In reality: to destroy the mobilization resource preparation system developed in the USSR.

Even the first president called the deadline for the destruction of our army. By the year 2000. Thank you, pah, of course, the default of 1998. There was not enough money for this murder. But thoughts remained ... And plans remained ... And nobody canceled the first actions. Remember the 1993th? When was the first law reduced the service life for the first time? Up to 18 months in the ground forces and 24 months on navy.

So what is next? 2008 year! The dream of a soldier. A year of service, and you are superman. And those who want to get out of provincial poverty - on the contract. With all the ministers. And at Ivanov, and at Serdyukov, and at Shoigu. Today, army professionals are about 30%. About 300-350 thousand people. And in the future, the Ministry of Defense plans to bring this figure to 50%. And the rest?

President Putin is well aware that the existing system of training the army reserve does not work. What is a year of service for a modern soldier? This, sorry for the sharpness, a tour of the army for the younger student. 12 months consists of: month KMB, three months of the training unit, 8 months of real service in parts.

What, today recruits come to the service more prepared than in Soviet times? Do they have a higher level of education? Are they well trained in NVP schools? Are they very often athletes? Do they have military specialties, like chauffeurs or skydivers? And we turn this contingent for 8 months of service into a soldier?

I always find it funny when I hear an argument from supporters of a professional army that the Ministry of Defense itself refuses some of the recruits and is in favor of contract soldiers. What to do Shoigu? Under the existing situation, anyone would refuse, not that the minister, the commander of the unit. To fight with yearlings? Dismiss.

In Soviet times, when the level of training of recruits was much higher, a specialist or junior commander was trained for six months in the training unit. A simple soldier became a true soldier after a year. A year of intense training and education! Now the place of such a soldier should take a professional.

Many, especially from the category of lovers of all kinds of Wikipedia, talk about the experience of Western countries in creating professional armies. Won the Americans have such an army and are not particularly worried about their own defenses. Europeans went the same way. And, too, everything seems fine with them. Everyone does their own thing. Someone serves. Someone works.

Just what happens in the event of a real conflict? In the same Europe? How many professionals will remain in the army in a week? Month? They will be the first to go into battle. They are the first to take upon themselves the blow of all the power of the enemy. Or have we forgotten the lessons of the second world? Who started the war and who ended it. Not from politicians, from soldiers and officers. Started those who served in the army at that time. But finished the store! Moreover, look for losses by year of birth. Ending the war is no longer just storekeepers, but those who are behind 30. Twenty and slightly older beat out almost everyone at the beginning of the war.

Americans? And what tasks does the American army target? Why do Americans need such a powerful fleet and huge aircraft carriers? Why so many bases abroad? The US Army is not designed to defend its own country. This is a huge expeditionary force. The Americans firmly believe that they will be able to prevent the enemy from entering their own territory. Islander Syndrome.

And the expeditionary corps is needed from professionals. Our aircraft in Syria are also not "conscripts" staffed.

I understand people who advocate a professional army. Those whose standard of living is high enough do not want to "lose" time. Those who are timid, afraid of the difficulties of the army. Those who want to find a job more profitable, they want to quickly "accumulate experience." But I also understand that something needs to be changed in the training system of a soldier.

The restoration of initial military training in educational institutions and DOSAAF is a necessary step, but only a step. The increase in the life of the soldier is brewing. This is also an indisputable fact. Periodic fees "guerrillas" for retraining should be returned to the system. Perhaps, given the next "demographic hole", it is necessary to cancel delays from service, even for students. This practice was in the middle of 80's.

But, on the other hand, if President Putin mentions the issue of a contractual, professional army, then it is precisely this strategy of army development that our leadership chooses. Smoke without fire. And the terms of a complete transfer of the army to professional rails are not called just because the economic possibility of such an action is not clear yet. As soon as the situation with the economy stabilizes, these terms will be announced.

But how will we look if there is another conflict? The hope of a peaceful resolution of existing international disputes is the lot of civilians. The army in this matter is always pessimistic. The service is like that. Can we, while maintaining the existing situation, successfully repel the attack and start a retaliatory offensive by collecting reserves? Will we be able to maintain a professional army for the protection of dangerous areas in our territories? Questions, questions, questions ...
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  1. Strashila
    Strashila 31 October 2017 05: 54 New
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    In Soviet times, the army was the term over-conscript, the same professional military soldier and sergeant. During his father's years in Kamchatka in the 50s of the last century, over-conscripts made up about 15% of the sailor and foremen of the Pacific Fleet and at the same time in the Black Sea Fleet this figure was 85% ... it’s one thing to complete the military unit in warm regions and with everything else in the darkness ... and the conscript does not have to choose, serves where the Fatherland is necessary. The Americans do not have the same sugar with a complete set, as soon as a hot spot appears, the desire to serve in it drops so sharply ... to go in good shape and get paid for it, this is one thing ... to live in a trench with the probability of death or becoming crippled is another.
    1. AUL
      AUL 31 October 2017 11: 50 New
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      The article is controversial. It is hard not to agree that double basses "in which case" will not be enough. I believe that EVERY citizen should have military training. I emphasize - EVERYONE, including those who are now recognized “unfit for health reasons” (oh, this condition ... Doesn’t interfere with clubs, you can eat vodka, and serve no one!) Serve as auxiliary units! Povora, cartoons, laundries, clerks, etc. are also needed. The army is a complex organism; there is a niche for everyone there. There are no unnecessary specialties in the army. “If you have an index finger on your right hand, you can shoot! It’s good!” (Schweik) And if you haven’t served, have not fulfilled your civic duty, the restriction of your civil rights should automatically follow!
      But with the thesis that contractors are evil, I do not agree. A professional in his place is always more effective than an amateur. Indeed, conscripts now, with a one-year call, do not serve - they are waiting for DEMBEL! I myself served an emergency, I know. And what can a person be taught in a year (and in two) with such an attitude to the service? Only elementary things and shagistiki. Another thing is a contractor. Even Vasya Pupkin from Mukhosk, about whom the author writes, understands that the better he mastered his specialty, the more successful his career, the stupidly more dough. And it will rest against the horn and learn. Moreover, no one will put him directly "from the plow" into the cockpit of the air defense system or by the levers of the tank, they will first be taught.
      In a recent article on this topic, contractors were called mercenaries. "You can fight for money, but no one will die for money!" This is so, if you fight and die for a foreign country. Protection of their homeland has nothing to do with it!
      And it’s really necessary to prepare young people for the service! To revive IEE in schools, to revive DOSAAF, so that not full teapots come upon call, but at least they know how to disassemble and assemble the AK. And reserve officers for training camps should be called up once in a couple of years according to a clear schedule (so that I could prepare at work, and not like snow on my head) in combat units for really working equipment and for training for personnel officers.
      Say - expensive? But to be without a combat-ready mobility reserve "in which case" will cost more!
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 31 October 2017 12: 24 New
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        Quote: AUL
        The article is controversial.

        Because it has a clear substitution of concepts.
        The presence of a fully professional army in no way denies the call and training of the mob. reserve. And vice versa.

        In fact, the current state of “neither fish nor meat” has a catastrophic effect on the combat effectiveness of the regular units. Starting from the first Chechen one, the presence of conscripts compelled to create consolidated Frankenstein on their knees, call them “battalion tactical groups”, and send them to fight without any military coordination. Type "in the process of learning." Those who survive.

        Well, the call and preparation of the mob. With a fully professional army, there are many reserves.
        Starting from several training centers for all the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, and ending with training battalions in brigades / regiments or even training companies in battalions.
        Moreover, such training units can be an excellent source of new personnel for professional units, units and formations of the army.
        1. AUL
          AUL 31 October 2017 12: 30 New
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          Starting from several training centers for all the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, and ending with training battalions in brigades / regiments or even training companies in battalions.
          Moreover, such training units can be an excellent source of new personnel for professional units, units and formations of the army.
          I think there will not be enough training centers for the whole of Russia, but training battalions - companies to organize - this is what we need!
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 31 October 2017 12: 53 New
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            Quote: AUL
            I think there will not be enough training centers for the whole of Russia,

            This option has its advantages.
            Firstly, excellent material base. In a "linear" brigade or regiment, this cannot be created.
            Secondly, a highly professional teaching (I emphasize) staff. Nevertheless, for officers of the "linear" units it is more likely a part-time profession
            Thirdly, less “non-core” occupations. Even under the USSR, there was no “outsourcing” in military schools, most households. the cadets themselves performed the work, but this did not particularly affect the learning process.

            But there are drawbacks.
            Firstly, such training centers are far from the existing army territorially. That is, it will be difficult to quickly add people to staff units if necessary
            Secondly, they are far in terms of lack of feedback. We will have to create structures for taking into account the experience of "linear" units in order to introduce this experience into the training program of such centers

            It might be worth combining the methods. For example, large training centers for infantry, but the same signalmen and other similar specialties to be trained in training battalions / companies at military units.
            1. AUL
              AUL 31 October 2017 14: 23 New
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              I agree!
      2. Oden280
        Oden280 31 October 2017 18: 07 New
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        It probably makes sense for conscripts to change the order of service. It does not make sense to send them to line units, but after KMB they should be sent to training units, where they will be trained until the end of the service, with the final full-scale exercises at the end. only this is hardly possible due to the large material and financial costs.
      3. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 31 October 2017 20: 00 New
        +3
        I’ll add a colleague. Anyone who has not served in the army cannot hold public office. Maybe this is a veiled attempt to remove the children of the "elite" from power ?! Although, it is unlikely.
      4. Max Gromov
        Max Gromov 4 December 2017 08: 51 New
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        Read this - https://sakhalin.info/weekly/90781
    2. Ruslan
      Ruslan 31 October 2017 15: 38 New
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      tears of the author are not clear to me. need to cry about something else. to clean, mop, wash, dig, make up beds and other household work. I mastered in civilian life, why should young guys go to the army for this? and even for two years. while the army does not want and cannot, due to the stupidity of command and leadership, change from within. the generals are not enough for two years, they need slaves for longer. it would be possible to teach the infantryman in a year if someone concerned about this. but damn who needs it ???
      urgent service will be needed when the ENTIRE service life, the guys will be taught to fight and be sure without overcoming the convict orders that they supposedly got rid of long ago.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 31 October 2017 15: 48 New
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        Quote: ruslan
        tears of the author are not clear to me. need to cry about something else. to clean, mop, wash, dig, make beds and other household work. I mastered in civilian life

        Are you sure?
        I had one fighter, after college. I didn’t know how to wash myself. The face is clean, at least dig potatoes on the neck and behind the ears.
        1. Ruslan
          Ruslan 31 October 2017 15: 58 New
          +1
          there are always strange people :-) and therefore it is necessary to teach him to wash his face in the army?
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 31 October 2017 16: 12 New
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            Quote: ruslan
            there are always strange people :-)

            And among eighteen-year-olds, such a majority.
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 31 October 2017 16: 06 New
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          "urgent service will be needed when the whole service life, guys will be taught to fight" ///

          Ruslan is right. On the FIRST day of a young fighter’s course, I shot at targets 3
          full of shop. And so - EVERY day for five days a week. Plus running, running
          endlessly and with shooting (only combat). Before darkening in the eyes. And half a store - every night (night shooting).
          And no drill, parade ground, charters - all this agony from the Middle Ages.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 31 October 2017 16: 17 New
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            Quote: voyaka uh
            And so - EVERY day for five days a week.

            This is not KMB, this resort. Pioneer camp.
            Well, no, we are at the KMB, I remember that we also had a rest on Sundays. After lunch, washing the form. And before lunch we had sports holidays. Running, lane, and so on ... Well, on Saturday, about the same. Before lunch - classes, after lunch rest in the form of PCBs
            The parade ground and drill with charters after KMB. Oath Preparation
      2. Daniel
        Daniel 31 October 2017 20: 18 New
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        Quote: ruslan
        tears of the author are not clear to me. need to cry about something else. to clean, mop, wash, dig, make up beds and other household work. I mastered in civilian life, why should young guys go to the army for this? and even for two years. while the army does not want and cannot, due to the stupidity of command and leadership, change from within. the generals are not enough for two years, they need slaves for longer. it would be possible to teach the infantryman in a year if someone concerned about this. but damn who needs it ???
        urgent service will be needed when the ENTIRE service life, the guys will be taught to fight and be sure without overcoming the convict orders that they supposedly got rid of long ago.

        And where can I put a couple of thousand pluses? good
        But what will we look like in the event of another conflict?
        Can we, while maintaining the existing situation, successfully repel the attack and launch a retaliatory attack by collecting reserves?

        That after two years, almost all the machines could not be kept, that after one year the situation did not change. I often visit the shooting range - I see this nightmare with my own eyes. We didn’t seem to hear about the rules for handling weapons. The shooting results are about nothing. You won’t ask anyone, for the sake of interest, (if you succeed, of course) - all those who "served". What they are, interestingly, was engaged in such a whole service life, that now they demonstrate "such" - it is not clear. Speech, I recall, is only about shooting. The fact that all our conscripts (in some cases, and not only conscripts) learn about the existence of night vision devices and thermal imagers only from airsoft players and hunters is a separate issue. And indeed, the author, what will we look like in case of conflict? The question of reserves generally killed. What are the reserves? Five years of peaceful life of any "special forces" will be equated with a student-botanist, to say nothing of the already untrained "fighter" after military service. Some questions about the prepared reserve can be asked only when we have an analogue of the Israeli miluim or Swiss reservist fees. And of course, after the total changes in the combat training of the soldiers.
      3. trahterist
        trahterist 1 November 2017 22: 22 New
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        Ruslan, Golden words! A congenital defect of the Soviet-style army, these are essentially meaningless activities such as 'cantics' on beds and snowdrifts, plowing on various household works (harvesting generally tin! Parable of the town) and other fucking. Ism, completely unrelated to combat preparing a soldier, Nothing. Those. a lot of time is wasted. Although the command and the state are well, where else can you find a completely official gratis slave force.
        No matter how hard they try to cry out changes in the army, they will!
        The time of conscripts is running out, and thank God!
        1. Ruslan
          Ruslan 2 November 2017 14: 17 New
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          Yes, I'm not really against the call. but it is needed if, at an urgency, they begin to teach how to kill people who are potential enemies. this school of life is strange where an 18-year-old guy is taught to be a cleaner. just the country's money wasted. even funnier is the argument that the “cleaners” are then a reserve in case of a big war :-)
          and since such changes are beyond the power of either the military or political leadership, it would be better to have a contract army of 500 volunteers than “pleasant” memories like the general’s arrival, they forced to imitate a section of the fence that fell over or kicked the captain through the hatch of a tank for mistakes. so at least the army will not be meaningless to distract from work, study and girls :-)
        2. Ruslan
          Ruslan 2 November 2017 14: 23 New
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          By the way, these vices came to the Soviet army from the tsar’s army (there they filled their heads with such nonsense and senseless knowledge even in academies). and flowed so smoothly into the Russian. so I think the problem is much deeper buried.
  2. cedar
    cedar 31 October 2017 06: 07 New
    +4
    100% of contractors ... When will it still be ..? But the war in its information-psychological and financial-economic "cold" phase has been going on for three years. And Syria, and especially Donbas, is already a complete warm-up. By the February elections, they will pile up in full. So conscripts will still fight ...
    1. Nix1986
      Nix1986 31 October 2017 07: 25 New
      +5
      Who will pile on then? Napoleon? Hitler? :))) It is necessary to have a snack.
      1. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 31 October 2017 20: 20 New
        +1
        Ahahahah, you apparently live in the "light of democracy", since you don’t understand who!
        1. Nix1986
          Nix1986 1 November 2017 08: 48 New
          +3
          Dude, who is enlightened, fascists, French or Mongols?
  3. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 31 October 2017 07: 13 New
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    Mnem, what's the difference how many years to paint the grass and train to make the bed? There is no money not for the salaries of contract soldiers, but for their normal preparation.

    And from the storekeeper, 10 years ago, who rolled square and wore round, and then two times a month thumped in a tent, is there any more benefit? Well, maybe we’ll go for slaughter.


    The solution to the issue of preparing a mobile reserve is worth peeking, suddenly, in the same states. In addition to the actual army (albeit the expeditionary force), there, suddenly, there is also a national guard and a reserve - structures where people, receiving money for this, are partly (but regularly!) Engaged in service and training, and have main employment (work).
    1. domokl
      31 October 2017 07: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: Sancho_SP
      people, receiving money for this, are partially (but regularly!) busy with service and training, and at the same time have a main employment (work).

      good Especially this system is relevant for Siberia and the Far East. All five people of the population will be in reserve to be paid ...
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 31 October 2017 07: 43 New
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        Well, if you can regularly come to the collection and training points, as well as meet the requirements for health, age and education - welcome!


        In the so-called "dying" villages, residents of pre-retirement age across the country are disappearing a little, in fact.
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    3. demokrat86
      demokrat86 31 October 2017 07: 32 New
      +1
      That's probably from people like you and there is a persistent conviction and unnecessary appeal ... very sorry for you
      1. domokl
        31 October 2017 07: 38 New
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        laughing Where does this come from? I do not need to regret. Don't need from the word at all. But the conclusion from my commentary really interested ... So where did the firewood come from?
    4. Lopatov
      Lopatov 31 October 2017 11: 57 New
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      Quote: Sancho_SP
      The solution to the issue of preparing a mobile reserve is worth peeking, suddenly, in the same states.

      There she is, suddenly, not particularly good. 8)))
      Compared to the really good systems of Israel or, suddenly, Switzerland
      1. Sparkling
        Sparkling wine - Dry 3 November 2017 12: 34 New
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        Switzerland in this regard is just super. Although in many other ways too.
  4. Nix1986
    Nix1986 31 October 2017 07: 29 New
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    The author correctly pointed out that, in general, it is not the hardships of service that make you mow, but the time lost, now even a year is a long time, life is very dynamic and you need to work at the institute if you want to achieve something real in your career. It would be optimal to do the service as a certain military commissar at the university, 2 days a week for 3-5 years while studying. And a person does not lose time and acquires the necessary skills.
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 31 October 2017 07: 44 New
      +5
      It is optimal to pay so much for the service that you would not have to drive there by force.
      1. Nix1986
        Nix1986 31 October 2017 08: 49 New
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        it’s not a matter of payment, I would be ready for free, the main thing is not to tear yourself away from work or there are guarantees of maintaining a workplace. By the time I graduated, I had 4 years of experience and the post of head of department, and in the current realities then, I needed to graduate and go in formation to walk and wind up footcloths after graduating from high school ?! well laughter. Therefore, if during these 5 years of study for 1-2 days a week there would be an analogue of the military, but as a service and while maintaining the workplace, I would have nothing against, even money would not have been needed.
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 31 October 2017 10: 02 New
      +6
      Quote: Nix1986
      it’s not the hardships of service that make you mow, but the lost time, now even a year is a long time, life is very dynamic and you need to work at the institute if you want to achieve something real in your career.

      Nix has a peculiar vision! He sees only “purposeful, hard-working” youth planning every year or month of his life, at least until 30 years, to become a great businessman and therefore not wanting to “waste” time in the army! But for some reason, he does not notice a considerable number of "people" who do not want to serve in the army, nor study, nor work ... "wasting time in the army" is for them just an "excuse"! They live by the principle: the day has passed ... well, and roll with it! And yet ... why in my time not to serve was shameful? How did it happen that they began to spread the "opinion" of the shaluponi about the "moronicity of serving the Motherland"?
      1. Nix1986
        Nix1986 31 October 2017 11: 13 New
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        I spoke only for myself, not in the tank, and therefore, essno, a bunch of people are simply bluffing, and how then to divide ?! Who should be taken away for two years at once, and who shouldn’t be separated from studies and work? I suggested this method, if a person is studying or working, then it’s possible to allocate days for military training on Friday-Saturday, preserving his job and training place, and if he is not busy with anything, then let him go right away for another year.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 31 October 2017 12: 02 New
          +1
          Quote: Nix1986
          He proposed this method, if a person studies or works, then it’s possible to allocate days for military training on Friday-Saturday, preserving his job and training place, and if he is not busy with anything, then let him go right away for another year.

          Well, ento is another calico! I'm sorry! I don't understand you!
  5. ares1988
    ares1988 31 October 2017 07: 36 New
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    Under the contract army, the National Guard and the BTO are the reserve of the first stage. In the meantime, this reserve is knocked out on short-term courses to prepare the rest "meat".
  6. groks
    groks 31 October 2017 07: 42 New
    +2
    Staver is right. But he did not make a final conclusion. Why is the hired, highly mobile army ideally suited? For border conflicts, for operations like the Syrian. And to suppress internal unrest.
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 31 October 2017 07: 47 New
      +1
      The army will cope very poorly with the latter.
      1. groks
        groks 31 October 2017 10: 53 New
        +1
        Cope much better than a normal army. In addition, they will be mercenaries - they do not die in oncoming battles with the same. And they have no way out - they are fed very well, and in case of failure they become nothing.
    2. creak
      creak 31 October 2017 14: 08 New
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      Quote: groks
      And to suppress internal unrest.

      This is what the National Guard is intended for - and earlier the internal troops .... The Army has other tasks and it is unacceptable to drag it into the solution of internal conflicts - this is a direct way to further destabilize the situation and possible split in the Armed Forces with all the ensuing tragic consequences .. So that to each his own ...
      1. groks
        groks 31 October 2017 14: 43 New
        +1
        But one cannot fail to notice that the army is drifting precisely in this direction. Moreover, crushing from divisions to brigades makes the army itself a little less dangerous for the top.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 31 October 2017 15: 52 New
          +2
          Quote: groks
          Moreover, crushing from divisions to brigades makes the army itself a little less dangerous for the top.

          8)))))))))))))))))))))))
          I understand conspiracy theories are cool. But, damn it, you have to limit yourself in fantasies ...
          Here's the word, suppressing "internal unrest" in Maaskwa, the line of volunteers would be lined up, regardless of whether it was a regiment as part of a division or a separate brigade
          8))))))))))))))))))))))
          1. groks
            groks 31 October 2017 16: 49 New
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            Ha. So not in Moscow.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 31 October 2017 17: 50 New
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              Quote: groks
              Ha. So not in Moscow.

              Where then? Is that in the North. Caucasus. Actually, that's all
              1. groks
                groks 31 October 2017 18: 44 New
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                Oh, I do not know. Where it breaks out, there will be. But certainly not in Moscow, on the contrary - to defend Moscow. The Caucasus is fed with money, if the feed does not end, then it is not there. It’s just that somewhere, the efficient managers are banging the next town-forming enterprise and are banging for good. The people will come out, and why not, if there are no longer any prospects for SURVIVAL. The state will not want to admit its guilt, and it will not be able to, as others will begin to leave. According to the ruminant they will tell that this is a Maidan, maybe they will even send Navalny on a business trip. They’ll disperse. But to isolate completely is very difficult and something will leak. And the process will go (s).
                This is just speculation, fantastic. But our elite is doing everything so that something like this comes true.
      2. parma
        parma 31 October 2017 15: 15 New
        +2
        There will not be a split in the contract army, on the contrary, the majority of contract servicemen will remain faithful to the current government (unless of course there are graters between the government and the generals) - because it is this power that feeds and dresses them now, provides benefits and housing, and in cases loyalty obviously tosses goodies. What will the revolution bring them? At best, nothing, but at worst, dissatisfied people (for whom 35-40 thousand rubles a month are big money) can also disperse / cut down the army. We all oppose something fundamentally new if it does not bring us 100% something good .. And what does the conscript receive? NOTHING! In fact, he only loses time (and I and others already wrote about this in comments), work and money! And to demand the distribution of benefits (and by the way they were divided 5 years before the birth of today's conscripts and honestly not too fair) he has more reasons. Take the same laws on PMCs, on the Russian Guard, on the firearm in our country. The state (and these are for the most part the same people over the past 20 years) is trying to protect itself as much as possible.
        And as for the inadmissibility of drawing the army into internal affairs, I will not speak about Syria, Libya, Ukraine (in these cases the issue was resolved with a stroke of the pen, and this is not our business, the country is not ours), look at both Chechen companies! The army took part in it! It's simple, you call those who disagree / dissatisfied with terrorist fighters (it does not matter whether they are or not) and you're done ...
    3. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 31 October 2017 20: 29 New
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      And the police for the people will instantly, should she pay money from the "right hands" and give an order.
  7. Per se.
    Per se. 31 October 2017 07: 44 New
    +2
    Personally, the words of our president about the full transition to a contract army were not happy. The Supreme Commander cannot but know the history of Russia, its geographical, economic and political features. What a fully contractual army, for a country like ours! ... There were illusions about peace and friendship with the United States and NATO, about a compact army, about wars only in terms of "antiterrorist operations", does this crap still remain in our military doctrine ? They are lining Russia from all sides, and we are planning from the army to make the semblance of a huge "PMC", removing the people from preparations for the defense, destroying the institute of the reserve base and replacing morality in the defense of the Motherland with material motivation. Mercenaries are good for colonizers, Russia, in contrast to the same Britain, the world did not rob. Recruitment service, for hire, is hardly suitable for our country. Yes, one year of service is not enough, yes, problems with the quality of recruits. But, there is a Constitution, there is a constitutional duty, according to which the defense of one’s fatherland is the right and duty of every citizen. With an increase in the term of fixed-term service up to three years, but the division of military service into direct service ("front") and working off for the army, for defense ("rear"), it would have been possible for the entire conscription population of the country to prepare for the defense of the country, all without exception, including girls. You want and you can, you serve in the army, with bonuses and benefits, you do not want, you can not, do not need, work out the army fund, keep the defense in the rear after short-term courses of a young fighter and civil defense. In addition, extra term (if you want "contractors"). Otherwise, with a competent officer corps, soldiers with conscripts (two or three years of service) and extra soldiers ("contractors"), the Russian army will have the necessary numerical and qualitative component at lower costs, plus a constantly replenished mobilization reserve. Mixed recruitment seems more reasonable than switching to a fully contract army.
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 31 October 2017 07: 48 New
      0
      Or maybe still prevent wars, than heroically win them?
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 31 October 2017 07: 58 New
        +4
        Quote: Sancho_SP
        And can still not allow wars
        It was necessary for Hitler or Napoleon to say, maybe they would have listened. If wars make big money, there will always be those who will be brought to power, will be given to arm and attack. To eliminate wars, to drive aspen stakes into the black hearts of all the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Morgans and other ghouls, to disperse transnational corporations and eliminate capitalism, as the main source of consumerism and profit morale. Until this happens, it is only possible to prevent wars in order to have a strong army and navy that could not be attacked, to have a country with powerful economic and spiritual potential that cannot be created by consumer morale and “my hut on the edge”.
        1. Sancho_SP
          Sancho_SP 31 October 2017 08: 04 New
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          Or did Stalin and Alexander have to say this? It is the mistakes of leaders (not necessarily supreme) that are the cause of such catastrophic consequences of those wars. Why didn’t they foresee the threat?
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 31 October 2017 08: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: Sancho_SP
            Or did Stalin and Alexander have to say this?

            However, how would they prevent a war?
            1. Sancho_SP
              Sancho_SP 31 October 2017 08: 19 New
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              At a minimum, reduce disastrous consequences.

              Of course, it is understandable that he would know the ransom — he would live in Sochi. But the same WWII could be started first before 220641. Many millions of lives could be saved.
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 31 October 2017 08: 23 New
                +2
                Quote: Sancho_SP
                But the same WWII could be started first before 220641.

                This is a World War I scenario with similar consequences.
                You will not start a war having mobilized less than half?
                1. Sancho_SP
                  Sancho_SP 31 October 2017 08: 28 New
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                  As far as I understand, by the summer of forty-first complete parts was quite enough. Take a look at the loss of the first weeks.
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 31 October 2017 08: 35 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Sancho_SP
                    As far as I understand, by the summer of forty-first complete parts was quite enough.

                    You misunderstand.
                    Quote: Sancho_SP
                    Take a look at the loss of the first weeks.

                    This is superfluous, there are exact numbers of troops.
                    At the time of the outbreak of war, 3.2 million bayonets of the Red Army were concentrated on the western border of the USSR against 5.5 million bayonets of the Wehrmacht with satellites. Obviously not enough for a preventive war.
              2. groks
                groks 31 October 2017 11: 14 New
                +2
                It is impossible. These are Rezun’s fantasies.
                The one who started first, turned out to be an outcast for the whole world and the whole world with him and began to fight. Therefore, there were directives "do not succumb to provocations." It may be very cynical, but any loss at the beginning of the war justifies victory in the war. And in the “start first” option there was no way to win.
          2. Fat
            Fat 31 October 2017 11: 00 New
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            Anticipated and provoked! NEDO analyzed. STALIN ... Stalin tried to preserve the empire .... It turned out bad ... I didn’t have time ... And as for Alexander, I’ll tell you not OUR motivation (like HZ, but I’ve got it) We only have a few, but there are, but Macedonia Alexandrov - Iron - Precious Metal
    2. ibnvladimir
      ibnvladimir 31 October 2017 08: 41 New
      +1
      Capitalists do not need people who think and love their homeland. But people greedy for money are welcomed by them. They know that they are scammy that they will return the paid back, and even with interest.
    3. Lopatov
      Lopatov 31 October 2017 12: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: Per se.
      Supreme Commander cannot but know the history of Russia

      Maybe on the contrary, he knows, but have you forgotten?
      Those wars that Russia has already managed to conduct. In which the draft army showed its complete failure.
      And the history of the Great Patriotic War clearly showed the advantage of well-coordinated divisions, units and formations over consolidated
  8. Pups
    Pups 31 October 2017 07: 51 New
    0
    Recently I read again that in Russia in the army a soldier shot his colleagues, this is not the first time in recent times.
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 31 October 2017 07: 53 New
      0
      Yes, everyday life happens everywhere. For a thousand citizens in the army, there are also fewer cases than on a civilian.
  9. Strashila
    Strashila 31 October 2017 08: 17 New
    +1
    I went to the site http: //contract-army.ru/denezhnoe-dovolstvie / ... if you believe him, the private person gets 17400 rubles in his hands ... is it a lot or a little rhetorical question ... if he didn’t become a sergeant ... then 33300 somewhere, this amount on a citizen must be sweated to earn money, but it’s bad, but everything is indexed ... not counting benefits and additional payments. So for healthy men, in our unstable, the real ones are not even very bad ... just don’t have to be led to the fact that the soldier is bad, but the merchandiser .. it's cool, for such money many cement bags are pulled on a civilian all day.
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 31 October 2017 08: 22 New
      0
      I think, nevertheless, it’s better to be a merchandiser than a soldier, not from 9 a.m. to 17 p.m., but from 17 p.m. to 9 a.m.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 1 November 2017 07: 21 New
        +8
        Quote: Sancho_SP
        I think, nevertheless, it’s better to be a merchandiser than a soldier, not from 9 a.m. to 17 p.m., but from 17 p.m. to 9 a.m.

        Do you definitely have a base to “think” about something on this subject?
        According to your comments, it somehow ... is not determined.
        Have you served yourself? Or, according to your own recipe
        Quote: Sancho_SP
        ... in Russia ... by turning on a little brain from the army, you can slope even for free.

        ... still sloping? wink
  10. First iron-faced
    First iron-faced 31 October 2017 08: 54 New
    +2
    A regular army is a single organism, a single command, a single principle of manning.
  11. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 31 October 2017 09: 03 New
    +2
    Call cannot be canceled !!! This is a prepared reserve in case of a big war !!! Who will guarantee that this won’t happen ?! None. Therefore, the call must be preserved ... Another thing is that it can be changed a little, the final goal of the call is not just to keep a year or two young people in the barracks, but to train them in military specialties, if you remove all this stupid tinsel with putting things in order, then think prepare shooters. signalmen, tankmen, artillerymen can be reached in 3 months (which was done during the war), for example, in every region of Russia, for example, educational bases can be entered where either students or working people to be called up will come to evening school. in order to undergo training, which, for example, will end only after passing exams, where there will be both theory and practice ... There will be big savings on the face, first of all such recruits do not need to be kept in the barracks, you do not need to be fed, they will just come to classes once a week, to receive assignments, then to pass exams, and after all tests to receive a military specialty with the assigned class ... It’s in every way better than a year to engage in park management and for three years after visiting the shooting range three times 3 rounds will be shot in a machine is not reduced to the normal battle ..
    To summarize - the call (reserve training) to save, but the form of preparation can be changed ...
    1. domokl
      31 October 2017 10: 17 New
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      A sort of mini-American version is obtained. Or under-American. And about the horrors that you wrote, alas, today is a completely different army. They are even fed civilians. A soldier has completely different duties and rights today.
      1. Fat
        Fat 31 October 2017 11: 39 New
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        I need specials as soon as possible. Where to get. CSOs are professionals. I'm interested in a controversial site in the Philippines. In the interests of the Homeland, we need him ... Who will help defend minor contradictions (question mark) C / HOCKEY (question mark) or who
    2. Fat
      Fat 31 October 2017 10: 43 New
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      It is necessary! It takes a year to prepare a shooter, To prepare a Psychologically Sustainable person from a year to two, provided that it’s not * from plow. "I understand that Kalash, just for them, I won’t be about the patient .... The call to cancel is NEEDED and introducing RECRUITMENT, Only Stalin said ( not to be confused) When the heroes of the Motherland are waiting, WE can wait 9 months.
    3. groks
      groks 31 October 2017 11: 17 New
      0
      And what is the prepared reserve for? The authorities are afraid of this reserve.
    4. Sparkling
      Sparkling wine - Dry 3 November 2017 13: 04 New
      0
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      This is a prepared reserve in case of a big war !!! Who will guarantee that this won’t happen ?! None.

      That's right, nobody. But "in the event of a big war" (when it comes to the Russian Federation), the Strategic Missile Forces will work and this will be the end of the earth. So no reserve is needed. Although, I agree, the call is needed, but mainly for this:
      Quote: Spade
      Well, the call and preparation of the mob. With a fully professional army, there are many reserves.
      Starting from several training centers for all the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, and ending with training battalions in brigades / regiments or even training companies in battalions.
      Moreover, such training units can be an excellent source of new personnel for professional units, units and formations of the army.

      Well, in my country I need a complete appeal, a kind of analogue of the Israeli or Swiss.
      1. Karen
        Karen 5 November 2017 10: 32 New
        0
        Quote: Brut

        Well, in my country I need a complete appeal, a kind of analogue of the Israeli or Swiss.

        Oh, the burden is heavy for the local "food love" ...
        Israel is a country of law and order, especially in the army. And in the Armenian army, until the orgies of Serzhikov’s law enforcement officers to pump money through threats of landings from compelled violators of the law, the WP + tandem will flourish in our army, and their main victims will be “bespectacled” and “botany”.
        As an example from the same opera, recently in Krasnodar a summons was called to the prosecutor’s office by a user of social networks who posted the lines from “Dunno on the Moon,” without mentioning the source
        That is, it is clear to everyone who needs law and order (Israel), and who needs disorder, but with the supremacy of "lawyers" (Armenia is there, and where else ...).

        Once Vazgen Sargsyan thought that by attracting students to the military service it would be possible to raise the level of other soldiers as well, but he understood and accepted the arguments of Babken Ararktsyan that in those realities we would simply lose our "bespectacled nerds."
  12. parma
    parma 31 October 2017 09: 49 New
    +5
    The problem with the call is the loss of time! In order to make a soldier from a conscript:
    1) increase the service life of say at least 2 years
    2) do not save on preparation, on the same ammunition and fuel and lubricants (he did not serve, the military department, and from the friends of whom more than 2 stores were called up, no one shot!)
    And the first and second is money! Moreover, if it is a little easier with the costs of preparation (they are from the budget, spit on the conscripts), then with 2 years the issue is more serious, people will not want to spend time. Suppose a conscript — a young student who has just graduated from a university and has a choice — either to join the army for 2 years (and return without work and experience, but with moral satisfaction [or not] and skills that no one needs in a civilian) or say we’ll 100 thousand rubles (for 2 years this is approximately 4 thousand rubles per month), what will a sensible person choose? It is not sad (this is my personal opinion) - the second option! For in 2 years you can achieve career growth, and in principle, 2 more streams will be released in 2 years, which means that it’s even harder to find a good job in a specialty! But we must take into account that you will also forget some of the knowledge for this 2 years, because there was no practice! And what do we get in the end? Yes, a patriotic (well, short-sighted or financially unsupported, depending on the reason for serving in the army) person, but which the employer does not need (without experience, he also finished 2 years ago) ..
    Why am I? You can sit here as much as you like and discuss what kind of youth went patriotic, how we don’t love our homeland (especially to people who served 20-25 years ago), only a question, but the conscript and his family (who already exists or will be ) will the motherland feed? That no offense and embellishment? After all, then the money that the state spent on training a state employee will also fly into the pipe, which means that it is necessary to revise the benefits and allocations of funds for training, to cut budget places that are especially useless (say, managers and lawyers who have been pushed everywhere now, no offense to people of this profession), but even here the question pops up - how to survive for universities? After all, universities are inflating the number of specialties precisely because of budget money, otherwise there is simply not enough! So there are 2 ways to either leave it as it is (and this doesn’t suit our patriots, they are all waiting for an avalanche of Abrams and NATO leopards, although my opinion is that if NATO does not stop our nuclear umbrella [and it doesn’t matter, those in power simply surrender it, Americans will deliver missile defense that is not surmountable or that] we will certainly lose the war) or cancel the call (it’s a lot of money, but you don’t have to have a million contractors, you can make a NORMAL system for preparing a mob reserve, say mandatory courses for all young people during several months [ possible for women at will], and then fees once a quarter, six months, a year) ...
    What do we have in total? In the first option, and further, the one who served or a patriot (yes, there are some!) Or (sorry, but what do you call a person who does not care about his life and does not have a clear position?) Or is poorly financially provided, and the army remains in the minds of the people simply a waste of time (although many people of 60-70 years of birth will continue to say that it teaches independence, etc.). Under the second option, it is those who will go to the army who have weighed all the advantages of working as a civilian and working (and I treat the contractors as workers) at the Moscow Region decided to connect their lives with the army.
    1. groks
      groks 31 October 2017 11: 20 New
      0
      It is unsolvable already because someone will have to pay an employee pulled out for fees. Only white-ticketers will be hired.
      1. parma
        parma 31 October 2017 11: 46 New
        0
        In Switzerland, such a scheme works ... you can assign fees for the weekend, well, or benefits like hiring people with disabilities, of course, do not take it for a bad attitude towards people with disabilities (I have it neutral, like people who are unlucky ), but why do we take measures for the convenience of the minority (disabled), but for the convenience and security of the majority (the collection of the mobile reserve is still the country's defense capability!) nothing can / should not be done?
        1. groks
          groks 31 October 2017 12: 19 New
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          In Switzerland, the draft army. And very strictly draft.
          1. parma
            parma 31 October 2017 13: 50 New
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            That's exactly what they have a mixed system! Contractors in Switzerland are: officers, instructors and sergeants! I understand that the doctrine in Switzerland is different, namely, to make war with them simply not profitable and not profitable and it does not suit us, but some elements can be used
            1. groks
              groks 31 October 2017 14: 45 New
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              Well, officers are like everywhere. The sergeants have somewhat different functions, and the instructors are generally different.
  13. Fat
    Fat 31 October 2017 10: 19 New
    0
    I believe that the issue is being resolved correctly. The current annual servants are suitable only for households. work type from fence to lunch. A normal soldier, by modern standards, is worth a lot of time and money to prepare. Then why drafting dystrophics, which are only needed for a year, to bring into normal physical and psychological form (urgent service now). So say what is more profitable and more necessary ... (question mark) Russia needs a normal, reasonably strong, intellectual army. The co-contract is not unlimited and there is a lot of military professionals in reserve, at least the first wave of mobilization ... In the RI army this already didn’t save, the elite were erased at the beginning of the war ... and the conscripts destroyed the empire ... -SO!
    1. groks
      groks 31 October 2017 11: 23 New
      0
      1. Why would these mercenaries be highly intelligent?
      2. In stock will be more than middle-aged professionals. Better than nothing, but no better than normally trained 20 year olds.
  14. Alex_59
    Alex_59 31 October 2017 10: 33 New
    +1
    The basis of the army should be professional, because firstly, one must pay for military labor with dignity, and secondly, the time requirement is deep preparation and knowledge of which the conscript will not have. The army should consist of the professional “army” proper, and of the territorial troops where conscripts will be preparing as mob reserves and fees to pass. It is quite possible to make internal troops such territorial troops. That’s all.
    1. groks
      groks 31 October 2017 11: 25 New
      0
      And what for the number of VVshnikov in which case? This is not preparation for war, but on the suppression of uprisings on a large scale.
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 31 October 2017 14: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: groks
        And what for the number of VVshnikov in which case?

        They are already under 200 thousand.
    2. domokl
      31 October 2017 13: 35 New
      0
      Quote: Alex_59
      The army should consist of a professional “army” itself, and the territorial troops where conscripts will be ready to prepare and gather the charges

      The idea is old, even dominant for some time in the minds of our military leaders. But what about tank crews and other specialists? Army structure is multifaceted. And the second. National Guard in the version that you mean rather expensive. And the problem does not solve
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 31 October 2017 14: 27 New
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        But what about tankers and other specialists?

        I mean that the explosives will not be the same as now, where the most terrible beast is the BTR-80 and the mortar 120 mm caliber. OSH let it be like in the army. The technique is a bit simpler (T-72, T-80, BMP-2, Shilka, Arrow, Acacia, Carnation). The tasks are not to suppress internal unrest, but namely to prepare the mobility reserve, protect the VGO, and defend the country from external aggression. But the army itself (the contract) can, in the absence of external aggression, participate in the database outside the country (in fact, as it is now in Syria). And the equipment is only new (T-90, Armata, Boomerang, Kurganets, Msta-S, Coalition-SV, Shell).
        Quote: domokl
        The National Guard in the version that you mean is quite expensive.

        The army is generally an expensive pleasure. And why doesn’t it solve the problem? Now exactly the same thing. Some military units are contractual, some military units are draft. Those. mob training the reserve is maintained somehow (well, somehow, it’s bad, but it’s underway). There is a separation of the contract / appeal in any case. I just think that this hash should be streamlined so that the commanders know exactly where they have what units. Combine the entire contract into a fist under a single control, and the entire call under its separate management. It is clear that administrative management, in the event of a war of survival, both structures will be under the same authority and management. At the same time, I think that the draft army should be merged with the BB, because their role seems to me far-fetched. Bandyugov in the Caucasus, the explosives are driven by the same contract soldiers, let the army contract soldiers do it, and the military draft is no better than the army, in fact, weak territorial troops without serious weapons. Unless the protection of the VGO stands separately.
  15. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 31 October 2017 10: 35 New
    +3
    But the current neoliberal capitalist government does not care what we look like in the case of a real schukher. She will just wash off like the head of Catalonia! And we have to disentangle! Do not build illusions, there is not a single person in power who is really worried about their homeland!
    1. domokl
      31 October 2017 13: 37 New
      0
      Offer to collect ashes and sprinkle their heads? Let them do what they want? Then worthless to us the price as a people
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 31 October 2017 16: 41 New
        0
        I propose just to show a civic position and not go to the polls. At least I and my relatives will ignore it. For us, power will be illegitimate.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 31 October 2017 17: 52 New
          +3
          Quote: andrej-shironov
          For us, power will be illegitimate.

          Heh ... We have a democracy, therefore the minority is subordinate to the majority. So the "power is illegitimate" for you can not be
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 31 October 2017 17: 54 New
            0
            Believe me, it can! I do not owe this power.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 31 October 2017 17: 58 New
              +2
              Quote: andrej-shironov
              I do not owe this power.

              You must not power. And to the majority who chose her.
              Do not like it, create a party, go to the polls. Well, or migration
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 31 October 2017 18: 01 New
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                Most of all I owe nothing more. All I owe to me fit in my head, neither the power nor the majority are there. By the way, you can cheat about something, because I don’t have brains either ;-) This is not critical for me. And by the way, who told you that we have democracy? Ochlocracy at best. And I can give you your advice. Party or migration.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 31 October 2017 18: 25 New
                  +2
                  Quote: andrej-shironov
                  Most of all I owe nothing more.

                  Yeah ...
                  "To whom I owe, I forgive everyone"
                  Comfortable position
                  Society treated me, taught, fed, protected, but from today I’m a baAalshoy boy, and therefore owe no one.

                  Damn, you need to somehow cut off people with militant infantilism through registration on the site.

                  Quote: andrej-shironov
                  Ochlocracy at best.

                  We arrived ...
                  That’s why I’m interested in “democrats” like you, because it’s contempt for the people. Which is impossible for a normal democrat, to put it mildly.
                  Then about the party, I clearly got excited. For people who have "the wrong people" there is only one way out.
                  1. andrej-shironov
                    andrej-shironov 31 October 2017 18: 29 New
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                    I beg you! Arguments and not your attitude, that’s what interests me! The fact that here the majority is capable of only hanging labels, I understood a long time ago. The level of discussion is still the same! By the way, he treated, raised, taught and gave parents another apartment, I owe her, but alas, no!
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 31 October 2017 18: 34 New
                      +1
                      Quote: andrej-shironov
                      By the way, he treated, raised, taught and gave parents another apartment, I owe her

                      Power?

                      Quote: andrej-shironov
                      just label

                      You hang them yourself. I'm just voicing it
                      1. andrej-shironov
                        andrej-shironov 31 October 2017 18: 35 New
                        0
                        A kind of talking head. Yes? There are many of them now, especially in the authorities.
                      2. andrej-shironov
                        andrej-shironov 31 October 2017 18: 49 New
                        0
                        By the way, you are also a democrat! To prohibit, to limit, there is only one way out ... So democratically!
                    2. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 31 October 2017 18: 44 New
                      +1
                      Quote: andrej-shironov
                      A kind of talking head. Yes?

                      Rather, a writing hand. 8))))))))
                      Well, I did not force you to use the term "ochlocracy", which clearly and unambiguously expresses your attitude to the population of Russia. Why are these grievances and accusations of "labeling"?
                      1. andrej-shironov
                        andrej-shironov 31 October 2017 18: 54 New
                        0
                        It’s clear that they didn’t force me, I used it myself and quite consciously, only if you were set up for discussion, you would be asked to clarify why the term ochlocracy was used. But you don’t need it, the main thing is to blame all mortals. And by the way, I do not have the tradition to be offended by an opponent in a dispute.
                    3. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 31 October 2017 18: 58 New
                      +2
                      Quote: andrej-shironov
                      By the way, you are also a democrat!

                      I?
                      8))))))))))))))))))
                      Not that upbringing. Quite the contrary, totalitarian in its purest form.
                      However, I realize that we have democracy. And its cornerstone is a minority subordinate to the majority.
                      1. andrej-shironov
                        andrej-shironov 31 October 2017 19: 02 New
                        0
                        And here I argue with you. I do not believe in democracy at all. Not because the people are stupid, but because swindlers often come to power.
                  2. Svateev
                    Svateev 2 November 2017 22: 12 New
                    0
                    Quote: Spade
                    it is necessary somehow through registering on the site to cut off people with militant infantilism.

                    good
        2. fyvaprold
          fyvaprold 31 October 2017 17: 59 New
          0
          Quote: andrej-shironov
          I propose just to show a civic position and not go to the polls. At least I and my relatives will ignore it. For us, power will be illegitimate.

          This is not a "civic position", but an example of cretinism, what do you think can change this?
          Quote: andrej-shironov
          For us, power will be illegitimate.
          Cool. As soon as the power becomes illegitimate, try, say, to settle in some state house, ignoring the orders of not legitimate cops. Then tell us what happened. laughing
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 31 October 2017 18: 30 New
            0
            I can not afford to call you a nerd, yet respecting others, I respect myself! However, you laugh in vain and perceive the world too primitively. In vain.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 31 October 2017 18: 37 New
              +2
              Quote: andrej-shironov
              However, you laugh in vain and perceive the world too primitive

              Hehe ...
              And this is written by a person who is going to voluntarily refuse to make decisions, and who believes that the power chosen for him suddenly becomes "illegitimate" 8)))))))))))))
              I’m afraid it’s more likely that you can be accused of a not very adequate perception of the world.
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 31 October 2017 18: 42 New
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                Consider the question of legitimacy-illegitimacy from the point of view of not moral but moral. On the contrary, I am a person who makes decisions and is responsible for this.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 31 October 2017 18: 52 New
                  +3
                  Quote: andrej-shironov
                  Consider the question of legitimacy-illegitimacy from the point of view of not moral but moral.

                  It is from this position that I am considering.
                  A person who "did not notice" how two bullies take away a cell phone from a teenager does not have the right to annoy on the topic of crime growth.
                  A person who renounces his right of choice does not have the right to declare that the authorities chosen for him by others are "illegitimate."

                  You see, everything is extremely simple. Like Exupery involvement.
                  1. andrej-shironov
                    andrej-shironov 31 October 2017 19: 15 New
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                    Finally, I got a sane comment from you! After all, you can without shortcuts! Here is just an example with bullies and a teenager not quite in the suit, but I understood your idea. Well, God bless him! I will try to explain my position. In this particular case, after analyzing the generally available facts, I came to the conclusion that some kind of shed is arranged, let’s say, rather than elections. And I dare say that the current government is interested in the booth. Not having the opportunity to choose from a bunch of clowns, well, or clones, as you like, I prefer not to participate in this event. By the way, I have every right. Although until now he voted in all elections. But now the understanding has come that the cynicism of power passes over the edge. So that later they would not suffer remorse that helped in this booth, I also decided not to go. Then I think you’ll conjecture the logical chains why the chosen power from the point of view of moral will not be legitimate for me.
            2. fyvaprold
              fyvaprold 31 October 2017 18: 45 New
              +2
              Quote: andrej-shironov
              I can not afford to call you a nerd, yet respecting others, I respect myself! However, you laugh in vain and perceive the world too primitively. In vain.

              I didn’t call you a nerd, but your so-called "civic position." I repeat, what exactly will the election ignorer change? This is the question of the primitivism of my worldview. Enlighten, do not consider it work. To quote Schwonder: “Are you an individualist anarchist?” Since you live in society, then you will take into account the opinion of the majority, and your Wishlist is for family use. No offense. However ... take offense if you want.
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 31 October 2017 18: 59 New
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                No offense! Tell me, can you only quote? I don’t have my thoughts ... Once again, I ask you to analyze the legitimacy of power from the point of view of morality.
                1. fyvaprold
                  fyvaprold 31 October 2017 19: 15 New
                  +2
                  Quote: andrej-shironov
                  Once again, I ask you to analyze the legitimacy of power in terms of morality.

                  Analyzing:
                  1) If I vote for someone, then I take responsibility for the actions of my candidate.
                  2) If the candidate’s actions are detrimental to my homeland, then I have the right to demand that he correct the damage, and not complain that “everything has disappeared”. (The same involvement, or rather ownership, which you secretly informed Mr. Lopatov).
                  3) I am ready to defend my country, including with weapons in my hands, without excusing myself that "I owe nothing to the majority". This is about morality.
                  And you still have not answered the question about the desired results of your "civic position."
                  PS: By the way, I didn’t vote for Benny Sinemore, nor for Solntseky, but I had to run through the mountains at both. Are you ready ... Or is it a cattle lesson, but you are a thinker?
                  1. andrej-shironov
                    andrej-shironov 31 October 2017 19: 20 New
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                    I’m rather from plow. Well, I have to run, I perceive life as a kind of predetermination. I’m also ready to defend my Motherland with weapons in my hands, it’s just not the fact that this will be a new enemy. You have the right to demand, I even demanded, I wrote to the presidential administration and the president, nothing good! Should we continue to write about the moral side of non-legitimacy? Sorry for being compressed.
                    1. fyvaprold
                      fyvaprold 31 October 2017 19: 35 New
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                      Quote: andrej-shironov
                      I’m also ready to defend my Motherland with weapons in my hands, it’s just not the fact that this will be a new enemy.

                      It is nice to read that you are ready to defend the homeland. Only about
                      Quote: andrej-shironov
                      not the fact that it will be alien enemy

                      I honestly did not understand. Who do you mean, "Putin's regime dogs", or the marginals a la Maltsev and Co.? And I still did not understand the meaning of the boycott of the elections. Will it improve morale or somehow free you from complying with the laws, will remove sanctions from you personally, No! Just make the choice for you and it’s possible that he will make it some party-conjunctural on his own, in selfish interests.If you do not like the current government, then choose the one who corresponds to your moral concept, and ignoring your honorable right, I would even say - duty, You lose the right to criticize the authorities, because They didn’t do anything to change this power. Sorry for the "multi-book".
                      1. andrej-shironov
                        andrej-shironov 1 November 2017 17: 02 New
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                        Well, do not understand and do not. Life is a very unpredictable thing. The main thing for me is that my conscience be clear, you can call me a sissy, I will not be offended. At the moment I do not see any more or less adequate candidacy in the elections.
  16. kenig1
    kenig1 31 October 2017 10: 36 New
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    Elections, elections ...
    1. domokl
      31 October 2017 13: 37 New
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      And what does this have to do with it? Before the Russian elections, it’s like walking to the moon ...
      1. fyvaprold
        fyvaprold 31 October 2017 18: 04 New
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        Quote: domokl
        Before the Russian elections, even as far as the moon on foot ...

        But some candidates are clearly ̶п̶и̶.̶.̶.̶. decided on the position laughing laughing laughing
  17. SMP
    SMP 31 October 2017 11: 16 New
    +1
    Once again, now from the mouth of the president, we learned about the impending cancellation of the draft in the army. Not tomorrow, not even the day after tomorrow, but the call will be canceled. Russia will completely transfer to the contract army. On October 24, Vladimir Putin spoke about this unambiguously.


    But is this Cossack sent ... hu from um Putin

    Having such a length of borders as in Russia, one can speak of a contract army or an immigrant who has lost his mind in old age or a traitor.

    IT IS USA to protect the borders, enough boats and coast guard ships, the rest in the US Army is essentially expeditionary forces fighting abroad, plus hired private armies.
    Old PU, either completely survived from the mind or went in the footsteps of Yeltsin.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 31 October 2017 12: 07 New
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      Quote: SMP
      Having such a length of borders as in Russia, either an imbecile or a traitor who has survived from a mind in old age can speak of a contract army.

      Rather the opposite.
  18. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 31 October 2017 11: 32 New
    +2
    The Second World War ended 72 years ago, and everyone gives the same experience. In modern conflicts, the more the army, the more victims. The mobilization reserve from conscripts is cannon fodder that will die in the millions in the first days of a large-scale war. The mob reserve is much more useful. of the former contract soldiers, we also have millions of them. These are people who have served in the army for at least 3 years, and their average life is 5-6 years. This storeroom is much more useful than 3-4 storerooms from draftees who have served for a year and who can do the best case shoot from Kalashnikov, that is, spos they only have to replace the positions of a shooter in motorized rifle units. It is not necessary to say here that if a person served in the tank troops for a year, it means that he will safely sit behind the tank and go to fight. Maybe he will even go, just not to fight, but to die , because he does not have any skills in operating a tank in combat conditions, at best, he drove a 5-km circle at the tankodrome a couple of times, and the rest of the time he only washed this tank. And they are attracted to global exercises, where many military branches interact only contract cha I’m silent about the fact that the equipment is becoming more and more difficult, and this store, having sat down at the same Armata at one time, will be surprised to see that his T-62, with which he dealt by urgency, differs from this tank, as Wright Brothers plane from a supersonic fighter. And it will have to be re-taught. Well and more, Putin said that we will withdraw from the draft, and not cancel. What is happening in the army now, just moving away from the draft, will bring the share of contractors to a maximum of 50 percent, and this will end. Our country will not be able to take out financially more. The only army in the world, larger than the Russian one, which is completely on contract, is the American one. But they have an excuse and the budget is 10 times larger.
    1. domokl
      31 October 2017 13: 41 New
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      Now in the Russian army there are actually about 800 thousands of people, although according to other data even a million exceeded, of which 300 thousands of double basses. Where are the millions of demos? And about the size of the armies .. the DPRK, look, China ... The Russian army is even smaller than NATO by all indicators ... So ...
      1. Black5Raven
        Black5Raven 31 October 2017 22: 24 New
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        The Russian army will never be larger than that of NATO (with a population of 500 million), China (1.5 billion), India and others. DPRK is not taken into account because there everything is just under arms. So whether there will be conscripts or not, in the event of a large-scale war with them, this will not save the situation.
  19. First iron-faced
    First iron-faced 31 October 2017 12: 08 New
    +1
    An officer receives money for his service (work), but no one considers him a mercenary. Why is there a different attitude towards ordinary and sergeants? Probably, such an attitude sits deep in consciousness, incl. military personnel themselves.
    The author’s arguments are not clear. How not to twist (in any case) the soldier is going to serve, not to earn money (capital in its full sense, so not to put together), being on full state security.
    1. domokl
      31 October 2017 13: 43 New
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      And where did you read about the mercenaries from the author? A mercenary is a soldier who serves for money, regardless of the nationality of the army. Double basses serve in the army of their own homeland.
      1. First iron-faced
        First iron-faced 31 October 2017 14: 20 New
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        Allow your opinion! And the author is mentioned in the next paragraph.
  20. Greenhorn
    Greenhorn 31 October 2017 12: 15 New
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    I am always interested in such discussions. Who is a professional soldier? If you discard verbal tinsel, the soldier’s job is to kill and die himself, it will take a stake. Many of the current contractors agree to this? What am I leading to? Unfired soldiers should not be considered professional. I think so. No matter how much he serves and prepares. After all, no one considers a student as a specialist who received a diploma yesterday (albeit a red one), and today he came to work in production. That will work, will show itself in real business, then another conversation. It is ridiculous, but it turns out that there are pros only in active units, PMCs and in all kinds of "illegal" partisan formations.
    1. domokl
      31 October 2017 13: 45 New
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      And the submariner who, from the whole war, only the red button pressed the fired? Or an EW specialist? And officers and soldiers on the PU strategic missiles? I think your comparison is somewhat unsuccessful.
  21. trak
    trak 31 October 2017 12: 46 New
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    I believe that the one-year time limit should be maintained for universal military training. Continue to saturate the army with contract soldiers. And, finally, to legalize private military companies, where the best warriors will leave the army for free bread after the termination of the contract. PMCs will solve problems abroad in the interests of the country, and even bring income for it. And if there was a mess like the Caucasian war, then the same PMCs, already co-ordinated, mobilized and prepared, will always be on hand in readiness. By the way, in the same America already have all the laws for the internal use of their PMCs.
    1. domokl
      31 October 2017 13: 48 New
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      And if I, as an employee of PMCs, send you? .. I work for good money. And you, the state, are no different from any other customer ...
      How do you like this logic? PMCs have been used for a long time in the version when the state does not want to "shine". but for big money, as I already wrote ...
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 31 October 2017 14: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        I work for good money.

        Contract soldiers also work for good money.

        Quote: domokl
        And if I, as an employee of PMCs, send you?

        Then the state will send you. And it hurts ...
        It will detect in your activity signs of an act falling under the article "mercenarism", and you will sit down. And as a "sitter" no one will pay you good money.
  22. parma
    parma 31 October 2017 13: 42 New
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    Quote: trak
    I believe that the one-year time limit should be maintained for universal military training. Continue to saturate the army with contract soldiers. And, finally, to legalize private military companies, where the best warriors will leave the army for free bread after the termination of the contract. PMCs will solve problems abroad in the interests of the country, and even bring income for it. And if there was a mess like the Caucasian war, then the same PMCs, already co-ordinated, mobilized and prepared, will always be on hand in readiness. By the way, in the same America already have all the laws for the internal use of their PMCs.

    PMCs, if it is completely PRIVATE of course, and not a unit so named for cover, can be used by oligarchs for dark matters ... Yes, and in cases of military operations, PMCs are very difficult to manage, because no one will be registered more than in the contract ...
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 31 October 2017 14: 09 New
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      Quote: parma
      And in cases of military operations PMCs are very difficult to manage

      Mobilize and put into operation. Total business.
      1. parma
        parma 31 October 2017 14: 24 New
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        This is if we say NATO-Russia war (in general, a major war), yes there, then everything will go under mobilization (by the way, the war is lost by us in any case, if the nuclear war is we and NATO in the Stone Age, if nuclear weapons are not used by us they will be crushed by numbers and sadly by the skill with the current system of preparing the mob reserve), and if, like the war in Afghanistan / Chechnya / Syria, they just send them by the forest, look at the western PMCs, they are engaged in PROTECTION and PREPARATION! All! They never go for an assault, everyone wants to live, and if a soldier is waited by a tribunal and a bullet for failure to comply with the order (or the term, depending on whether there is a martial law), then there is nothing for the mercenary from the Private PMC, dismissal
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 31 October 2017 16: 05 New
          +1
          Quote: parma
          and if by the type of war in Afghanistan / Chechnya / Syria it’s just sent to the forest

          And they will be imprisoned.
          1. trak
            trak 31 October 2017 21: 24 New
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            After all, he said, damn, that in America for PMCs all laws have already been passed. All of their employees have a valid army reserve, and this is spelled out in the contracts of their companies. If war or internal turmoil, then they are automatically mobilized to protect the state, if you refuse, then a deserter. And then taldych that if a private owner, then the state can send. How do people want to believe their own fantasies. And no oligarchs can use PMCs for personal affairs, because PMCs get permission for all their operations abroad according to the laws of their state, and inside the country they don’t have any independent rights, they train landfills and weapons for training from the same army ..
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 31 October 2017 23: 01 New
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              Quote: trak
              After all, he said, damn it, that all laws have already been passed on PMCs in America. All their employees have an active army reserve, this is also stated in the contracts of their companies.

              In the US, PMCs are much more complicated. For example, they are actively involved in the process of combat training of all kinds of reservists and Nat. Guard. And contain their training grounds and training centers
              And yes. PMCs will never go against their state. And it's not about the money. If you forget the state, it will crush you. Therefore, PMCs are absolutely manageable.
  23. parma
    parma 31 October 2017 14: 53 New
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    Quote: domokl
    And where did you read about the mercenaries from the author? A mercenary is a soldier who serves for money, regardless of the nationality of the army. Double basses serve in the army of their own homeland.

    And then the question will arise with the Abkhazians and Ossetians, they are then allowed to serve in the army of the Russian Federation without being citizens of our country, and not in a separate unit like a foreign legion ...
  24. Essex62
    Essex62 31 October 2017 14: 55 New
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    And why, in fact, highly professional, personnel units should be treated in the first months? Comparison with June - July 41st is completely incorrect. Then, more savvy, the Germans drove our armies with deep tank breakthroughs and sweeps. Defense is on the brink, everything that our Tymoshenko, Zhukov and others like them knew how to do. How long does the APU try to break LDNR? In terms of structure, ammonia is no worse than many, there are our officers, for the most part Russians, who studied at the same academies. And they have advanced far. Well, yes, there the special forces are fighting mixed up with former non-military men who also became pros in this war. Well, prepare personnel and professional units at the special forces level. For a year or even two it is not possible to prepare a professional soldier for modern combat, especially for the equipment of the last generations.
    Now about the enemy. In reality, only Germans (with big reservations), Britons and Americans can be really ready to compete with the RF Armed Forces. So their personnel units will also be knocked out in the first months and with a reserve, too, not a lot. Geyropa 2000 is not Europe 40s. There the buza will immediately begin, and the most fierce Russophobes and Balts will be the first to buzz.
    Yes, and no invasion of armored armada from the West is possible, the concentration will be immediately detected and stopped at the approaches. Shoot us while there is something.
    I think the decision of the Commander-in-Chief is quite rational. Bring the number of personnel parts to the required upon request of the General Staff. Take money from the aligarchs and dispossess mercilessly. Let them show patriotism, disagree - put me in your arms and go.
    It only seems to me that these plans are utopian. If they begin to crush us as in 41 and it becomes completely sour, you will have to turn to the Chinese for help in exchange for territory. Well, or bury the whole world.
  25. Eight
    Eight 31 October 2017 14: 57 New
    +1
    Yes, everything new is well forgotten old. Comments confirm this.
    From the decree of Ts. I.K., adopted on September 2, 1918.
    “We are obligated to turn the Soviet Republic into one armed camp.” So said in his speech at the meeting on September 2, the Center. Spanish Com having just returned from the front of Comrade Trotsky. Why should we do this?
    Not because we are so warlike, not because we crave war.
    But life itself compels us to arm everyone who is able to carry weapons of working people in the Soviet Republic.
    We have to go to one military camp as soon as possible. There is no other way out: we are surrounded by millions of enemies. They gathered, both outside the borders of our country and from the inside.
    A hundred years have passed, nothing has changed.
  26. Satum
    Satum 31 October 2017 15: 33 New
    +1
    No fig people will not mow from the army FULL STUPIDITY OF THE AUTHOR. Whatever a man flees from the army to anywhere, the First is to create a wage bill and housing reform, The second is tidbits of working as a civilian, after completing military service, and most importantly the IDEA that a person will be a sucker if he does not give the army time. The same conviction as in the 90-если if served ’And the government carries out all these Three points quietly. All the same, the effectiveness of a soldier is not when he is pulled by force, but when he voluntarily goes
  27. Satum
    Satum 31 October 2017 15: 36 New
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    More precisely, not urgent but military service
  28. Satum
    Satum 31 October 2017 15: 49 New
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    Still, stupid cured - "where will the money and so many soldiers be found?" Military operations are changing and artificial intelligence and small mob groups are powerful but powerful in terms of effectiveness. Hence the reduction in government spending. Because each soldier is not entitled to a large salary, pocket, uniform, etc. The decrease in the number of soldiers translates transfers these costs to the contractors. In fact, the budget for the allocation of the army will remain the same as it was, and the Government will not lose ANYTHING during this transition
  29. 236 BTR
    236 BTR 31 October 2017 20: 22 New
    +2
    The urgent service should be, without question, in case of mobilization, the guy has an idea on which side the machine should be kept and how to approach the tank
  30. 236 BTR
    236 BTR 31 October 2017 20: 28 New
    +1
    And again, my personal opinion is that every man should pay his debt to his homeland, and what’s the homeland, and not the state, we did not choose this country, we were just born in it, and the government, today is one, tomorrow is different, so, urgent need it !!
  31. Dedall
    Dedall 31 October 2017 20: 40 New
    +3
    I served in the Army for 20 years, and now I work there as civilian personnel. I've seen enough of all and therefore, in principle, I agree with the article I read. True, there are additions:
    1). For Caucasians, it is necessary to introduce a territorial system of service. Let our hunchbacked Russians sit at home and occasionally pass fees there. From them in the current Army, under the existing Disciplinary Rules, there are only problems. Commanders of all levels are simply afraid of them, and they do what they want. And they only want to shoot. But there is no maintenance of equipment, cleaning up the territory and outfits by units, of which the military service consists of 99%.
    2). Contract service is only with specialists in the field of technology. And then we have half of the contractors consists of useless "managers" and other lawyers.
    3). Restore the NVP with the teaching of its current officers on the principles of rotation from one unit for a year. With those parts, spend 5 days for high school students.
    4). And most importantly - to increase the responsibility of the military commissariats for the health of recruits. Military doctors are sick of dystrophics and other enuresis. The so-called category "B-4" is a marriage in the work of military registration and enlistment offices.
  32. Vicon
    Vicon 31 October 2017 22: 54 New
    +1
    The problems of the modern army are close to me as a reserve officer. Our country is huge territorially - a large extent of borders. a large number of "good neighbors". It’s impossible to close everything by contract workers alone, there is no reason to expect peaceful coexistence with neighbors and “partners” in the near future. But unfortunately, the Soviet military training systems have been lost; it involved not only training soldiers, this is a huge list of mobilization measures in the fields of economics, science, infrastructure training and even agriculture. The Great Patriotic War wrote new textbooks in blood. But then it was state-owned, and now private owners dominate in all structures of the economy. You simply cannot mobilize a private trader for your homeland; for him, profit is headed with all the ensuing consequences, and not only because he is a "huckster", but because he is legislatively and financially placed in such a framework. Shoigu saved the Russian army from the final collapse, formed the main combat skeleton, but this is not enough. It is impossible to refuse conscription, but the modern form of conscription and preparation is an unsuccessful experiment, it is purely formal, the army will not receive specialists like this, but will receive cannon fodder. The Russian army should be mixed. The main combat core should be contract soldiers, and next to them undergo necessary and sufficient training of conscripts. At the same time, the same attitude should be created in society for serving children as in the USSR - "you are not just a soldier - you are a real man." Not a few guys passed through my hands, who came to us with shy grayheads, and left with men prepared for adulthood.
    1. lev54
      lev54 5 November 2017 14: 22 New
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      In general, I agree with you. But only in fact, the so-called “partisan” training camps were often called not for additional training, but to carry out work on the principle of “take more, carry on.” I, too, but already retired and remember very well how such gatherings went and how they ended. No, there were exceptions, but ...
  33. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson 4 November 2017 06: 19 New
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    The call really needs to be canceled. But while maintaining universal military duty with the training of reservists. A professional army is not as an appendage to the masses of people who are dragging away from military affairs, but as a superstructure over the population that has undergone initial military training (and military training).
  34. lev54
    lev54 5 November 2017 14: 19 New
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    I believe that the decision to understaff the Army with contract soldiers is true and timely! And all other men and women specialists should be systematically attracted to community-based mobilization training with training and confirmation of class according to the chosen or received higher education institution
  35. Igor Verevkin
    Igor Verevkin 6 November 2017 05: 11 New
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    Here is everyone who dreams of a contract army here, explain to me - how can I support even a millionth (absolutely not enough for Russia) army of professionals with a military budget of 50 billion and a constantly shrinking economy?

    First - the economy, then - the army. There was an army in the USSR, much stronger than in the Russian Federation. As soon as the economy collapsed, the army immediately collapsed after it.
  36. Max Gromov
    Max Gromov 4 December 2017 08: 23 New
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    The author of the article clearly does not know the situation of conscripts, that during a year of service the average soldier conscripts will shoot from a machine gun at most twice - once every half a year, the rest of the time this is work and outfits. In general, let him read this article about army life - https://sakhalin.info/weekly/90781
  37. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 17 February 2018 18: 53 New
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    A fully contracted army is stupid !!! An army of 1 million will end in a week of war !!! Russia must have in stock millions of trained tankers. signalmen, sailors and all other specialists, during the war there will be no time to prepare them ...

    I don’t agree about the terms of service, you can train any military specialist in a year, and if he instead of combat training, he doesn’t have enough work to do just 3 years ...

    In my opinion, Russia should also have contract parts staffed only by contract soldiers and training where all men from the age of 18 are trained, everything is ALL, and not as it is now, I believe that there is not a single reason not to serve in the army, therefore, all postponements should to be canceled !!! In addition, it is necessary to introduce a normal course of military training at the school, where schoolchildren are already familiar with the army and taught to shoot at least their pneumatics, and this training course should include visits to military units and familiarization with military equipment and other events ...
  38. Forever so
    Forever so 25 March 2018 15: 20 New
    +1
    The colony should not have a mobilization reserve, and the contract army should be ready to serve the one who pays the most. It’s difficult for the Americans to print a couple of trillion pieces of paper and the Professional Army of Russia itself will clear out the entire population. Vladimir Putin said - My goal is that there would be nothing state-owned in Russia, and the latest technology for PMCs is perfect. American.