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Bloody Dubnyak

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Exactly 140 years ago, 24 in October 1877 of the year, during the Russian-Turkish war, there was a battle to strengthen the Mountain Dubnyak, in which the Russians had won, but this victory went to an unreasonably high price.

The seizure of the Mountain Dubnyka was necessary to establish a complete blockade of the Turkish fortress Pleven, which the Russian command, after the failure of three attacks, decided to starve. Dubniak guarded the way of supplying food and ammunition to the fortress. It consisted of two earthen redoubts - large and small, as well as a lunette, connected by a trench with a large redoubt. The fortifications were defended by about four thousand Turkish soldiers and officers.

More than 18 thousands of bayonets and several artillery batteries were allocated to capture it. The main role in the upcoming case was to be played by the guard - the elite of the tsarist army, who had recently arrived at the theater of military operations. The operation was commanded by Adjutant General Iosif Gurko, nicknamed “General forward”, given to him for the fact that he preferred frontal attack to all types of military operations. In the same way, he decided to take Dubniak, despite the fact that similar tactics during the storming of Plevna had already turned into a series of defeats and huge losses.

Speaking to the soldiers on the eve of the battle, he said: “You guardsmen are better cared for than the rest of the army. Here is a minute to prove that you are worthy of these worries. Shoot rarely, but neatly, and when you have to go round you, make a hole in the enemy! Our "cheers" he can not stand. " And the guards proved ...

The attack was planned simultaneously from three directions in order to force the defenders to disperse forces. However, it turned out "as always": the central column, consisting of Life Grenadiers, came to its original positions before the others, came across the Turkish advanced guard and got involved in a shootout. Turks from behind the shafts of the small redoubt showered her with bullets from long-range breech-loading rifles, killing several dozen people.

The column commander, Colonel Lyubovitsky, on his own initiative, ordered the assault on the redoubt and, despite frequent fire, captured it. But at the same time, almost all the officers were beaten out in his detachment, and he himself was wounded in the leg. Nevertheless, inspired by the success Lubovitsky ordered the attack and a big redoubt, despite the lack of support from other columns. However, the Turks fought off the assault, inflicting heavy losses on the attacker. The remains of Lyubovitsky's column rolled back to a small redoubt.

Meanwhile, Major General Ellis’s right column launched a large redoubt attack from another direction. She had to walk almost a kilometer on a level “like a pool table,” according to one of the officers, a field devoid of any shelter. Because of the killing fire, the last 150 meters the soldiers could not overcome. The surviving commanders ordered them to lie down and dig in.

The situation on the left flank was even worse. where the column of General Rosenbach fell not only under Turkish bullets, but also under the fire of his own artillery, which, because of an error in aiming, covered the attackers with shrapnel. From the Russian cannons suffered great losses of the Life Guards, the Finnish regiment, which had the best rifle training in the Russian army.

Having fixed the error, the gunners moved the fire to the redoubt, but did not manage to cause him serious damage, as Gurko, who was in a hurry to finish the job before dusk, soon ordered a new assault. This time all three columns were supposed to attack synchronously, and three consecutive volleys of batteries of the left, center and right columns served as a signal for the attack.

However, for some reason, the battery of the right column fired first, although it should have fired last. Subsequently, the gunners justified themselves by taking the distant sounds of cannonade under Plevna as a volley of other batteries. The incident again brought confusion in the actions of the troops. Some shelves went ahead, others waited. Gurko had to send couriers to raise the delayed attack. At the same time, as he himself later admitted, he no longer had confidence in success.

The attack of the right and left columns was again repulsed, while the commander of the Finnish regiment, Major General Lavrov, was killed, who personally led the soldier. Only a few managed to reach the shaft of the redoubt and lie beneath it in the "blind zone". The soldiers, pointing their rifles up, began to shoot the Turks, who were trying to reach them, leaning out from behind the parapet.

Seeing that this assault did not succeed, Ghuroko, in desperation, sent his last reserve, the Life Guards Izmailovsky Regiment, into battle. Izmaylovtsy, lining up in ranks, with unfolded banners went forward under the drumbeat. Meanwhile, it was beginning to get dark and this complicated the task of the Turkish riflemen. The attackers, albeit with casualties, managed to walk to the rampart and lie beneath.

Despite the fact that the Russian soldiers closely surrounding the redoubt were much smaller than the Turks inside it, they nevertheless decided to continue the assault in the darkness. Climbing up the shaft, the Russians rushed to the bayonets. And then the unexpected happened - the Turks almost immediately began to give up. Obviously, they did not understand how small their forces were attacking. Soon the entire garrison of the redoubt, abandoning weaponraised his hands.

The seizure of Mountain Dubnyk cost the Russian army 869 killed and more than two and a half thousand wounded, many of whom died. Particularly heavy were the losses in the Life Guards Grenadier Regiment, in which 34 of 49 officers were killed. Tsar Alexander II burst into tears when he was brought a long list of killed officers of the guard, as he knew most of them personally. The Turks shook about one and a half thousand people killed and wounded (I did not find the breakdown of this figure) and two and a half thousand - prisoners.

The saddest thing is that the losses in the capture of Mountain Dubnyk could have been avoided if the Russian command had relied not on the infantry, but on artillery. Indeed, in the Mountain Dubnyak there were no stone walls and casemates capable of withstanding high-explosive shells and mortar bombs for a long time. The commander of the Turkish garrison subsequently wrote: “We were very surprised to see that the Russians were going through, not having treated us with artillery beforehand. Meanwhile, after two or three hours of shelling from 50 – 60 guns, we would be forced to surrender without any damage for the Russians. ”

Nevertheless, the capture of Mountain Dubnyak was an important strategic success, which greatly complicated the position of the garrison of Pleven. Soon in the remaining fortress without supplies, famine began, and on November 28 (December 10 in a new style), she capitulated after an unsuccessful attempt by the Turks to break out of the encirclement.

On the screen saver - Life grenadiers stormed the Little Redoubt. Painting m.B. Grekov.



Map of the battle for Mountain Dubnyak. Shows the position of the troops before the last assault.



On the left - soldiers and officers of the Life Guards Pavlovsky Grenadier Regiment in a ceremonial and marching uniform, on the right - the Chief Officer of the Life Guards Preobrazhensky Regiment in marching uniform.



Soldiers and officers of the life guards of the Finnish regiment in ceremonial and field uniforms of the Russian-Turkish war.



Turkish Peabody-Martini breech-loading rifle. Most of the Russian soldiers who died while taking Mountain Dubnyk were killed from such rifles.



General Gurko, who commanded storming Mountain Dubnyak and died during the storming of General Lavrov.



Scenes of the battle for Dubnyak Mountain.



Troops with a captured Turkish banner greet General Gurko after the capture of a large redoubt. In this picture A.D. Kivshenko clearly shows that there are no traces of shelling on the fortification.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 6 November 2017 06: 24 New
    +6
    The saddest thing is that, losses during the capture of Mountain Dubnyak could have been avoided if the Russian command had relied not on infantry, but on artillery.

    Again, the eternal Russian "maybe" ... many times then they stepped on the same rake ... I remember the storming of the GROZNY 1994 ... the same picture.

    Generals as always believed that Russian women still give birth to soldiers.
    1. Cat Marquis
      Cat Marquis 6 November 2017 06: 50 New
      +5
      And this is true — in Russia, those who became the “boss” (and the army is no exception) regard their subordinates as garbage-consumables designed to provide them with a “prosperous life”, “career”, etc. So it was before and so But - there is now - nothing is changing.
      1. co-creator
        co-creator 7 November 2017 02: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: Marquis Cat
        And this is true - in Russia, those who became the "boss" (and the army is no exception) regard the subordinates as garbage-consumables designed to provide them with a "safe existence",

        But in the USA, is it somehow different? Do not politicians consider ordinary people garbage refusing to introduce universal free medicine in the richest country in the world?
        And your attitude towards the soldiers was exactly the same, for example, in Vietnam, Korea or in the civil war. You were just lucky that in WWI you fought already at the end and did not suffer heavy losses.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 6 November 2017 07: 28 New
      +5
      Quote: The same Lech
      Again, the eternal Russian "maybe" ... many times then they stepped on the same rake ... I remember the storming of the GROZNY 1994 ... the same picture.
      Generals as always believed that Russian women still give birth to soldiers.

      Where does this come from? From the author's underline, nothing more. Losses of Turks and Russians -the same, which is amazing for the assault on fortifications.
      The author writes about the guns, but the Russian command did not have a magic wand and time to deliver the guns there (in the mountains), but there was an urgent need to take Dubnyak for the blockade of Plevna.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 6 November 2017 07: 31 New
        +3
        Where does this come from?


        Meanwhile, the right column of Major General Ellis launched an attack on a large redoubt from a different direction. She had to walk almost a kilometer on a flat "like a billiard table", according to one of the officers, a field devoid of any shelter. Because of the deadly fire, the soldiers could not overcome the last 150 meters.


        The commander of the Turkish garrison subsequently wrote: “We were very surprised to see that the Russians were going ahead without first processing us with artillery fire



        Something like this... hi
        1. Cat
          Cat 6 November 2017 08: 07 New
          +3
          As always!
          Charters will come in blood, a simple cruel truth!

          The ability to fight is also a science!
          By the way, from the lines of the author I realized that the redoubts of the Turks fired shrapnel! What for?
          Why do not the same 18 block the road to the redoubts and lunettes of the Turks? What is necessary immediately rush into battle.
          Well, the last one! Before us is an obvious case confirming the effectiveness of the attack at dusk and at night. Etc. more questions than answers.
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 6 November 2017 10: 07 New
          +5
          Quote: The same Lech
          Something like this...

          LOSS-SAME. And this is during the storming of the fortress!
          Such losses are a sign of skillful leadership.
          1. Cat
            Cat 6 November 2017 12: 53 New
            +4
            Quote: Olgovich
            Quote: The same Lech
            Something like this...

            LOSS-SAME. And this is during the storming of the fortress!
            Such losses are a sign of skillful leadership.

            Not Olegovich, not the leadership, but the mass heroism of the soldiers and officers of the guard.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 6 November 2017 15: 53 New
              +5
              Quote: Kotischa
              Not Olegovich, not leadership, but the mass heroism of soldiers and officers of the guard

              Mass heroism and huge losses, alas, frequent companions.
              But equal losses can only be with skillful guidance.
    3. co-creator
      co-creator 7 November 2017 02: 06 New
      0
      Quote: The same Lech
      The saddest thing is that, losses during the capture of Mountain Dubnyak could have been avoided if the Russian command had relied not on infantry, but on artillery.

      Again, the eternal Russian "maybe" ... many times then they stepped on the same rake ... I remember the storming of the GROZNY 1994 ... the same picture.

      Generals as always believed that Russian women still give birth to soldiers.

      No need to write nonsense. This is not a purely Russian tradition, but a global one. More or less, soldiers began to be protected only under electoral democracy, when heavy losses could negatively affect the election.
    4. Dzungar
      Dzungar 7 November 2017 19: 50 New
      +1
      The storming of Grozny in 1994 was not. There was only troop entry on December 31st. The assault itself took place completely in 1995, in January and February ...
    5. Vladimir 5
      Vladimir 5 2 March 2018 20: 58 New
      -1
      It didn’t happen, but the principle of selecting commanders. The problems in each era are different in origin. Under the emperors, the main thing was proximity to the court and patronage, the first created opinion of the Emperor. Therefore, different Gurko, showing the evenness of the ranks of their regiments on the Field of Mars, were weak commanders on the battlefield. In the days of the SA, nepotism and the emerging general layer also came into being, where the little sons grew rapidly in posts and ranks, and then surrendered to the USSR, which was sworn in.
  2. Settlement Oparyshev
    Settlement Oparyshev 6 November 2017 06: 47 New
    +1
    The majors in the Command were and will be. Whoever drove them before the 7th sweat, so that their brains would turn on and they would raise the soldiers to attack during the art, and not after it.
    1. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener 7 November 2017 11: 30 New
      0
      In general, at that time the vast majority of officers were from noblemen.
  3. Cartalon
    Cartalon 6 November 2017 07: 17 New
    +3
    Few people understood how to attack the positions occupied by the enemy with rifled weapons, such attacks were in the civil war in the USA and in the Franco-Prussian war.
    1. Cat
      Cat 6 November 2017 07: 53 New
      +3
      Sadly, they always learn from their mistakes, not from strangers!
      The French and Germans even in World War I noted that they tried to attack in columns.
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 6 November 2017 08: 25 New
    +6
    Many years later, the Soviet military theorist A. A. Svechin wrote caustically about this battle: "Gurko realized that such extermination of the guard in a clash with the ten weakest militia marks a major tactical misunderstanding" ....
    1. Cat
      Cat 6 November 2017 09: 54 New
      +3
      Well, perhaps the Turks were not ten times weaker, and after all they were sitting in redoubts. To be fair, ours had superiority in manpower by 4.5 times, in artillery by 8 times. So the classic ratio of attacking forces with the defending 3 to 1 was close to the canons of military art. It should be noted that ours suffered serious losses from friendly artillery fire.
      So the courage of the guard is undeniable. In general, one of the Russian victories “against all odds” and more belongs to a simple soldier, not to a general!
      I have the honor!
  5. XII Legion
    XII Legion 6 November 2017 08: 38 New
    16
    There are almost no perfect victories. The Ottoman Empire is a serious adversary.
    But
    Mountain Dubnyak decided the fate of Pleven
    That is, it was crucial for the course and outcome of the war.
    Losses of opponents are practically equivalent, while one of them was defending, and the second was advancing. Losses of the Russian army (Sytinsk military encyclopedia 1912 / reprint 2005. P. 411.) - 18 officers and 790 lower ranks were killed, 3 generals, 95 officers and 2384 lower ranks were wounded.
    Trophies - general, 53 officers, 2235 lower ranks, banner, 4 guns.
    That is, the Russian army captured almost as many prisoners as they lost wounded.
    Milestone of military glory of the Russian Imperial Guard.
    Many pieces received the following insignia on hats.

    It’s great that they remembered the important victory of Russian weapons
    1. hohol95
      hohol95 6 November 2017 10: 56 New
      +2
      How many wounded got back into service after the cure, and how many died or became disabled?
      What happened to the captured Turks? Then they were sent home?
      So, Rosenbach in his memoirs called Lyubovitsky the main culprit of the enormous losses in the battle of Mountain Dubnyak.
      Rosenbach’s point of view is reinforced by the fact that the life grenadiers didn’t stop in a small redoubt, trying to immediately take the main Turkish fortification, despite the killing fire. As soon as the drummer of the Grenadier Regiment began to signal for the second time to attack, he was killed on the spot, and Lubovitsky himself took the shot. The attack failed, as expected, and the soldiers of the central column lay in lodges, as well as behind the mounds of a small redoubt. The fatigue of the people was so strong that some of them fell asleep right behind the shelters, despite the ongoing battle.
      1. XII Legion
        XII Legion 6 November 2017 11: 47 New
        17
        How many wounded got back into service after the cure, and how many died or became disabled?
        What happened to the captured Turks? Then they were sent home?

        Why do we need to find out? It's about the RESULTS of a specific battle. And who then returned or died - this is - in the outcome of the war.
        They FOLLOWED from this WAR - it means, before its end, these are irrevocable losses. Unlike some of the wounded.
  6. hohol95
    hohol95 6 November 2017 10: 59 New
    +4
    However, sacrifices and suffering were not in vain. Sofia highway was cut, and Osman Pasha in Plevna stopped receiving supplies. Two weeks after the Russians took Mountain Dubnyak, he had a supply of food for 14 days, which he managed to stretch for 6 weeks. On November 28, 1877, after a desperate attempt to break through, the hungry garrison of Pleven laid down their arms. In this sense, the assault on Mountain Dubnyak was a turning point in the entire Pleven epic and, possibly, the entire war of 1877–78.

    On the other hand, on October 12, the Russian guard faced the harsh reality of the war, which turned out to be far from the annual template maneuvers of the guards corps. The guardsmen had to make sure in their experience that what was already well understood by the troops near Plevna: the Turks, armed with excellent Peabody Martini rifles and hidden behind the fortifications, are capable of firing hurricane fires, which are very difficult to overcome.
    The attack of the jaeger-huntsman on neighboring Telish came to an end and was completely disastrous - the regiment withdrew with heavy losses. The village was taken a few days later by fierce bombardment, after which the Turkish garrison capitulated. Under Mountain Dubnyak, artillery also had to play a decisive role. The Turkish commander admitted after the battle:
    One can only guess what indelible mark left in the souls of survivors the death of comrades and the feeling of their own powerlessness. As a prominent military expert at the end of the XNUMXth century, General M. I. Dragomirov, put it, “In the end, Mountain Dubnyak was taken by a fool. Having fallen into the realm of shots, the troops immediately fell out of hands and climbed, as if whom God had laid down on his soul. ”
    1. XII Legion
      XII Legion 6 November 2017 11: 48 New
      16
      Sofia highway was cut, and Osman Pasha in Plevna stopped receiving supplies. Two weeks after the Russian capture of Mountain Dubnyak, he had a supply of food for 14 days, which he managed to stretch for 6 weeks. On November 28, 1877, after a desperate attempt to break through, the hungry garrison of Pleven laid down their arms.

      What I said above:
      "Mountain Dubnyak decided the fate of Plevna. That is, it was crucial for the course and outcome of the war."
  7. Curious
    Curious 6 November 2017 15: 08 New
    +6
    It would be very nice all sofa hats, which 3290 killed and wounded Russians and 1500 killed and wounded Turks consider equal losses, and the command - outstanding, to put in the forefront of the main companies of the Izmailovsky regiment. The Izmailovites attacked like this: “The leading companies were on a full front, officers in their places, people with serious faces beat the beat. Right, right, right! The gaps formed from the dead and wounded immediately closed, and the Izmailovites non-stop continued their orderly movement at a distance of about 650 steps from the enemy. As a matter of fact, only solitary people were shooting, and that was when a good goal was presented ”(Collection of materials on the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-1878 on the Balkan Peninsula, vol. 58, St. Petersburg, 1906, pp. 126-127.)
    Or in the front ranks of the battalions of the Jaeger regiment Chelyshev, who in the same ceremonial order attacked at the same time the fortification of Telish. The author left this attack behind the scenes. Meanwhile, the huntsmen lost 26 officers and 1300 lower ranks killed and wounded, of which 935 were killed! This is a plus to the losses under Mountain Dubnyak! In this case, the fortification was not taken! And without this blockade, Plevna could not have been ensured. And then finally the commander Gurko remembered that he had artillery.
    By order of Gurko, artillery colonels Zinoviev and Enkel carried out a reconnaissance of the Telish fortifications on the afternoon of October 27. The reconnaissance was carried out very carefully from a distance of 400 m.
    After reconnaissance, it was finally decided to take the fortification with only artillery fire, completely without producing an infantry attack. About 240 shrapnel and grenades (two ammunition) were allocated for each bombing weapon. (N. Stoyanov. 3rd Guards and Grenadier Artillery Brigade in the War of 1877-1878, "Artillery Journal", 1882, No. 2, p. 144.)
    At 12.00 on October 28, the bombing of the Telish fortifications began. At 14.45, the commandant of the fortifications, Izmail-Khakki Pasha threw out a white flag and surrendered. Seven Turkish camps with three guns were captured. A significant number of stocks of all kinds were taken in the fortification, including 3 million of one gun cartridges. The Russian troops lost during the capture of Telish one person killed and five wounded. Turks lost 157 people killed; they all fell from the fire of Russian artillery. The artillery used up 38 shells per gun, about 3000 shells in total.
    That is, having spent 2 hours 45 minutes of time and 3000 shells and having lost ONE person, a fortification was taken, under which 4 people were unsuccessfully laid 1300 days ago. What prevented the great commander Gurko from turning his head on four days earlier?
    An officer and artist, who was part of the Russian army, Vasily Vereshchagin showed the results of these attacks in the film “The Defeated. Memorial service for the fallen soldiers. "

    The most interesting thing is that the repetition of such tactics took place already during the First World War - in August 1914 near the village of Zarashov, in June 1916 on the South-Western Front near the Stokhod River - the guard repeated everything all over again ... Now for the last time ...
    1. XII Legion
      XII Legion 6 November 2017 16: 21 New
      18
      Loss Clarification
      Losses of Russians in the battle on October 12, 1877 at Gorny Dubnyak: 18 officers and 790 lower ranks were killed, 3 generals, 95 officers and 2384 lower ranks were wounded.
      That is all - 3290 people. Including 3 generals — who, like their subordinates — fell under the bullets, and not in the rear.
      Losses of Turks - 1500 killed and wounded and 2289 people captured (including the general, 53 officers, 2235 lower ranks).
      That is all - 3789 people.
      That is, the losses of the defending Turks - even more than the advancing Russians. This is exactly what the “sofa shuttles” had in mind (that is, as I understand it, both Olgovich and I are written in them) - saying that the losses of the opponents are equal.
      So what if most of the Turks are prisoners. They used to say: prisoners are dead. The Russians could have killed them and not captured them (then it would have been a one-to-one bloody loss). They ended up in the hands of the victors - and in any case, were DISCONTINUED, at least for the duration of the war.
      1. Curious
        Curious 6 November 2017 16: 37 New
        +1
        You could not work! The comment is written not for you and not for Olgovich. The discussion with these is Sisyphean labor.
        The comment is written for people who read your comments.
        1. XII Legion
          XII Legion 6 November 2017 16: 53 New
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          Clear.
          It is also understandable that losses should be considered COMPLETE. Why should prisoners be excluded from the total loss? This is wrong, and I noticed that everyone who reads our comments
          hi
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 6 November 2017 21: 25 New
            +3
            Then count in the COMPLEX how many children were not born from the KILLED RUSSIANS!
            And how many children were born in captive TURKS!
            Here you have the COMPLEX ...
            1. XII Legion
              XII Legion 6 November 2017 21: 58 New
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              Count it yourself
              We talked only about the ratio of the total loss of opponents in a single battle
              1. hohol95
                hohol95 6 November 2017 22: 20 New
                +1
                That's it ... But they need to be considered in COMPLEX -
                Command (management) - the implementation of the plan (URA guys with hostility, as in 1812 (the Crimean War taught nothing)) - the result (losses that could easily be avoided)!
                1. XII Legion
                  XII Legion 7 November 2017 05: 52 New
                  15
                  Any loss can be avoided. For example, not at all fighting.
                  And I just said that the total losses (in the complex) of the advancing Russians in this battle were slightly less than the defending Turks. It is a fact.
                  1. Seal
                    Seal 8 November 2017 15: 31 New
                    +1
                    And I just said that the total losses (in the complex) of the advancing Russians in this battle were slightly less than the defending Turks. It is a fact.

                    This is taking into account the prisoners. But prisoners are living, who will return home at the end of captivity.
                    But we killed and wounded 3369 people, and the Turks only 1500 people. That is more than two times less than us.
                    Moreover, as indicated in the article, many of our wounded died.
                    1. XII Legion
                      XII Legion 8 November 2017 15: 49 New
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                      How else can you answer - in Chinese
                      We are talking about the PERFORMANCE of a particular battle.
                      The Turks DEFEATED MORE THAN the Russians (those killed, wounded, and who fell into the hands of the Russians).
                      The Russians were advancing, the Turks were defending. This is about the quality of troops and command.
                      And who later died or returned is the outcome of the war
                      1. Seal
                        Seal 8 November 2017 18: 23 New
                        +2
                        As now learned to juggle words. There used to be a word: “result” - which denoted that specific that came out at the end of a process. And now, do you see, somewhere, a certain “effectiveness” appeared? Is that a derivative of the result? Mother-in-law result? Girlfriend result?

                        It should be understood that any loss in the expeditionary army, located at a considerable distance from its territory and, accordingly, from its bases, is made more difficult than the loss of the side that is fighting near its territory.

                        We have killed 18 officers and 790 lower ranks, that is, 818 people.
                        And how many Turks lost killed? Fifteen hundred dead and wounded, right? They were a defender. So, if we calculate the ratio of killed and wounded as 1: 5, then the Turks lost only 250 people killed, right?
  8. polpot
    polpot 6 November 2017 18: 33 New
    +4
    Eternal memory to fighters only whether the Bulgarians were worth at least a drop of Russian blood strongly doubt
    1. alatanas
      alatanas 6 November 2017 20: 27 New
      +3
      What is the nickname, such are your comments. Keep doubting. It’s not your blood that has been spilled, they won’t put a monument there!
  9. Seal
    Seal 8 November 2017 15: 08 New
    +1
    Quote: Olgovich
    The losses of the Turks and the Russians are the same,

    Why are they the same?
    The article is written
    The capture of Mountain Dubnyak cost the Russian army 869 killed and more than two and a half thousand wounded, many of whom died. Especially severe were the losses in the Life Guards Grenadier Regiment, in which 34 of the 49 officers were killed. Tsar Alexander II burst into tears when they brought him a long list of killed officers of the guard, since most of them he knew personally. The Turks lost about one and a half thousand people killed and wounded (I did not find a breakdown of this figure).

    We had 3 wounded for one killed. All our losses = 3369.
    If the Turks have the same proportion, it turns out that they have 375 people killed and 1125 people wounded. Total loss of the Turks = 1500.
    How so
    the same
    if they have losses of 1500, and we have 3369 ??
    1. XII Legion
      XII Legion 8 November 2017 18: 53 New
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      Can you read?
      Losses of Russians in the battle on October 12, 1877 at Gorny Dubnyak: 18 officers and 790 lower ranks were killed, 3 generals, 95 officers and 2384 lower ranks were wounded.
      That is all - 3290 human.
      Losses of Turks - 1500 killed and wounded and 2289 people captured.
      That is all - 3789 human.
      That is, the losses of the Turks were more than the advancing Russians.
  10. XII Legion
    XII Legion 8 November 2017 18: 50 New
    15
    Seal,
    And how many Turks lost killed? Fifteen hundred dead and wounded, right? They were a defender. So, if we calculate the ratio of killed and wounded as 1: 5, then the Turks lost only 250 people killed, right?

    Why such fantasies?
    No not like this.
    We don’t know how many Turks were killed in this battle - there’s nothing to invent.
    But we know that the total losses of the Turks (killed, wounded, prisoners) at Mountain Dubnyak are ABOVE the total losses of the Russians.
    After all, the prisoners were also incapacitated (it was probably necessary to destroy the prisoners - then we would not be wasting time now) - they are not participating in the war. Well, which of them died or returned - find out for yourself. Maybe everyone in captivity died.
    This is not important, but the fact that in a particular battle the total losses of the Russians are less than the Turkish ones. Although the Russians were advancing.