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Bullet for a teenager. Were there any death sentences for minors in the USSR?

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In the post-Soviet period, many media outlets periodically began to turn to the rather well-known and controversial topic of introducing the death penalty for minors in the “Stalinist” Soviet Union. As a rule, this circumstance was cited as another argument for criticism of I.V. Stalin and the Soviet system of justice and governance in the 1930's - 1940's. Was it really?


Immediately begin with the fact that it was Soviet Russia to maximally humanize the pre-revolutionary criminal law, including in the direction of the criminal responsibility of minors. For example, under Peter I, the lower age limit for criminal responsibility was established. He was only seven years old. It was from seven years old the child could be brought to justice. In 1885, juveniles between the ages of ten and seventeen could be convicted if they understood the meaning of the acts committed, that is, not for all criminal offenses and depending on personal development.



The possibility of criminal prosecution of minors remained until the October Revolution. Only 14 of January 1918 was adopted by the Decree of the Council of People's Commissars of the RSFSR “On commissions for minors”. In accordance with this document, criminal responsibility was incurred from 17 years, and from 14 to 17 years, criminal cases were heard by the commission on juvenile affairs, which decided on educational measures regarding the minor. As a rule, minors tried to re-educate with all possible efforts and to prevent their being put in prison, where they could fall under the influence of more adult criminals.

In the famous "Republic of Shkid" it was just about many young criminals and offenders. They were re-educated in the "Shkida", but they were not subjected to just criminal penalties, i.e. - did not put in prison or camp. The practice of bringing to criminal responsibility of children and adolescents younger than 14 years generally remained in the pre-revolutionary past. The RSFSR Criminal Code, adopted in 1922, established the lower limit of criminal liability for most 16 articles for years, and since 14 years, it has been attracted only for particularly serious crimes. As for the death penalty, it could not be applied to all underage citizens of the USSR even purely theoretically. Article 22 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR emphasized that "persons who have not attained the age of eighteen at the time of the crime and women who are in the state of pregnancy cannot be sentenced to death". That is, it was precisely the Soviet government that laid the paradigm of juvenile justice, which persists in Russia to this day, after the collapse of the Soviet political system.

However, at the beginning of the 1930's. The situation in the Soviet Union has changed somewhat. Complicated crime situation and the constant attempts of hostile states to carry out sabotage activities in the Soviet Union led to the fact that in 1935, a resolution of the CEC and SNK "On measures to combat juvenile delinquency" was actually adopted. It was signed by Mikhail Kalinin, Chairman of the Central Executive Committee of the USSR, Vyacheslav Molotov, Chairman of the USSR SNK, and Ivan Akulov, Secretary of the USSR Central Committee. The ruling was published in the 7 April 1935 newspaper in Izvestia. The content of this resolution testified to the most serious tightening of the criminal procedure legislation in the country. So, what was introduced by this decision? Firstly, in paragraph 1 of the Resolution it was emphasized that criminal responsibility with the use of all measures of criminal punishment (that is, as it seems to be clear, including the highest measure, but there will be the most interesting nuance about which we describe below) for thefts, violence, injuries, injuries, murder and attempted murder, comes from 12-year-olds. Secondly, it was emphasized that incitement of minors to participate in criminal activities, speculation, prostitution, and poverty is punishable by imprisonment of at least 5 years in prison.

The explanation to this decree informed that article 22 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR regarding the non-use of the death penalty as the highest measure of social protection for minor citizens is also canceled. Thus, the Soviet government, it would seem, at first glance, officially allowed the sentencing of minors to capital punishment. It fit well into the overall vector of tightening state criminal policy in the middle of the 1930-s. Interestingly, even in the first post-revolutionary years, the death penalty was not applied to minor citizens of the country, although juvenile delinquency was very high, gangs of street children, who did not abhor the most brutal crimes, including murder, causing serious bodily harm, rape, were operating. However, at that time nobody even thought about sentencing even such brutal young criminals to criminal terms. What happened?

The fact is that before 1935, juvenile delinquents could only be sent to re-education. This allowed the most inveterate of them, without fear of such a “mild” punishment, which you cannot call a punishment, to commit crimes, being practically safe from punitive measures of justice. An article in the newspaper Pravda, published on April 9 of 1935, two days after the published ruling, said exactly that - that juvenile delinquents should not feel themselves unpunished. In other words, the decree was of a preventive nature and was aimed at preventing violent crimes involving minors. In addition, the death penalty was not generally assumed under all the articles listed. Even for the murder of one person, the death penalty was not supposed, unless the murder was accompanied by banditry, robbery, resistance to the authorities, etc. offenses.

One can argue for a long time about whether the death penalty is permissible for minors who themselves killed several people during robberies. But to understand such a measure, especially in those difficult years, it is quite possible. Moreover, in practice it has practically not been applied. It was necessary to try very hard to “achieve” the death penalty for himself at a minor age. The "bust" and with prisoners of conscience, who, according to the assertions of rather numerous anti-Soviet authors, were almost all shot down at a minor age. After all, article 58 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR “Anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda” was not included in the list of articles for which “all measures of influence” were allowed to minors. It is not listed in the 1935 ruling of the year. That is, there were simply no formal grounds for the execution of minors under this article.

A large number of 1920-1921 citizens are on the list of those shot at the Butovo firing range. of birth. It is possible that these were the same shot young men. But do not forget about the specifics of time. In 1936-1938 citizens of age were citizens of 1918-1920 of birth, i.e. born in the midst of the Civil War. Many of them could either intentionally hide their true data in order to receive less punishment, or simply not have accurate data on their date of birth. Checking the date of birth is often also not possible, so the "drops" could reach not just a year - two, but several years. Especially if it was a question of immigrants from a deep province, from national suburbs, where with registration and registration in 1918-1920. there was generally a huge problem.

There is still no documentary evidence of executions of minor citizens in Stalin's time, with the exception of a very dark and ambiguous example of the execution of four citizens of 1921 born in the Butovo firing range in 1937 and 1938. But it is separate история and with her, too, is not so simple. Let's start with the fact that these citizens (their names are Alexander Petrakov, Mikhail Tretyakov, Ivan Belokashin and Anatoly Plakuschy) are only the year of birth without exact dates. It is possible that they could reduce their age. They were convicted of criminal offenses, and already in prison they repeatedly violated the regime of detention, engaged in anti-Soviet agitation, looting of cellmates. However, the name of 13-year-old Misha Shamonin is also named among those shot at the Butovo training ground. Was it really so? After all, a photo of Misha Shamonin is easy to find in many mass media, but at the same time, by copying a photo from the file, for some reason no one tried to copy the file itself. And in vain. Either the doubts about the execution of an 13-year-old adolescent would be dispelled, or it would turn out that this is only a deliberate action aimed at influencing the public consciousness.

Bullet for a teenager. Were there any death sentences for minors in the USSR?


Of course, it is possible that extreme measures for juvenile offenders could be applied outside the legal field, including under the guise of murder when trying to escape, however, this is not about individual abuse of authority by police, security officers or police officers, but law enforcement practice. But she knew only isolated cases of the shooting of teenagers - four cases at the Butovo firing range (and that causes great doubts) and one more case - already eleven years after the death of I.V. Stalin.

In 1941, the age of criminal responsibility for all crimes other than those listed in the 1935 resolution of the year was determined to be 14 years. Note that in the 1940-ies, in the harsh wartime, cases of mass executions of juvenile offenders were also not noted. But the Soviet leadership used all possible measures to eradicate homelessness among children, to solve the problems of orphans and social orphans, which were more than enough and which represented a very fruitful environment for the development of juvenile delinquency. For this purpose, orphanages, boarding schools, Suvorov schools, evening schools developed, Komsomol organizations actively worked - and all this in order to ward minors from the street and from the criminal lifestyle.

In 1960, criminal liability for all crimes was determined in 16 years, and only for particularly serious crimes, criminal liability was provided for 14 years. However, it is precisely with Khrushchev’s, and not with the Stalinist period in the national history, that the only documented fact of the death penalty of a minor criminal is linked. This is the infamous Arkady Neyland case. 15-year-old boy was born in a dysfunctional family, in 12 years he was determined to boarding school, he studied poorly and ran away from the boarding school, had a drive to the police for petty hooliganism and theft. 27 January 1964, Neyland broke into the apartment of 37-year-old Larisa Kupreyeva in Leningrad and chopped both the woman and her three-year-old son George with an ax. Then Neyland photographed the naked body of a woman in indecent postures, intending to sell these pictures (pornography in the Soviet Union was rare and valued dearly), stole a camera and money, made a fire in the apartment to hide the traces of the crime and fled. Caught him in three days.

Minor Neyland was very confident that he was not facing a serious punishment, especially since he did not refuse to cooperate with the investigation. The crime of Neyland, its bloodthirstiness and cynicism then angered the entire Soviet Union. 17 February 1964 of the Year The Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR published a decree on the possibility to use in exceptional cases the death penalty - shooting - against juvenile offenders. 23 March 1964, Neyland was sentenced to death and 11 August 1964 was shot. This decision caused numerous protests, including abroad. However, it is not very clear why the defenders of Neyland did not care at all about the fate of a young woman and her three-year-old child who were brutally murdered by a criminal. It is doubtful that such a murderer would have brought up even a decent, but more or less tolerable member of society. It is possible that he could later commit other murders.

Isolated instances of the death penalty for minors do not at all indicate the severity and cruelty of Soviet justice. Compared to justice in other countries, the Soviet court was indeed one of the most humane. For example, even in the United States, the death penalty for juvenile offenders was abolished only recently - in 2002. Before 1988, 13-year-olds were quietly executed in the USA. And it is in the United States that talk about the states of Asia and Africa. In modern Russia, juvenile delinquents often commit the most brutal crimes, but receive very lenient punishments for this — by law, a minor cannot receive more than 10 years of imprisonment, even if he kills several people. Thus, convicted in 16 years, he goes to freedom in 26 years, and even earlier.
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  1. Olgovich
    Olgovich 31 October 2017 07: 16 New
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    In the post-Soviet era, many media outlets periodically began to address the rather well-known and controversial topic of introducing the death penalty for minors in the "Stalin" Soviet Union.
    If we talk about the punishment of children and their number, then we must remember, first of all, dispossessed children. From babies and older .. Who were exiled to the huts to the north of Narym Territory, Arkhangelsk Region, etc. in winter, in frosts -30-40 gr. But they were up to 40% Bonus terms and conditions apply from the number of dispossessed! And it was they who primarily died, not adult men. What were the children punished for, what was their fault? The dispossessed (by the way, no convicts by any court) died from 600 tons to 1 million. How many of them are children ....
    Socially dangerous CHILDREN are also from that time ...: Order of the NKVD of the USSR No.00486 “On Operation for repression wives and children traitors to the motherland "
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 31 October 2017 08: 33 New
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      Man, perestroika is long over, tales of unfortunate dispossessed are of no interest to anyone. Come up with others.
      1. verner1967
        verner1967 31 October 2017 08: 38 New
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        Quote: EvilLion
        the unfortunate dispossessed are of no interest to anyone.

        Well, yes, people have never been interested in commies, most importantly, the interests of the revolution, yes, "man"?
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 31 October 2017 09: 02 New
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          Are you interested in “non-commune” people? Well, it’s possible that only people for you, it seems, are those who profited from others, and who are forced to take a sow from the same fist in the spring to sow two in the fall, not people for you. Like those affected by the actions of kulak gangs, you can imagine when the peasants had the opportunity to do without a fist, the fist did not appreciate it. How so, profits are deprived of it. Well, as we had in the 90s, they "did not fit into the market," and these "did not fit into socialism."
          1. verner1967
            verner1967 31 October 2017 09: 28 New
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            Quote: EvilLion
            who is forced to take a sack from the same fist in the spring for sowing, in order to give two in the fall

            Do not need these soviet tales, firstly, "fists" at that time called anyone who had more than two cows and refused to "voluntarily" join the collective farm; secondly, those kulaks who gave grain to the loan were only 3-4 %%, and we are talking about hundreds of thousands of "dispossessed". And then, why did some peasants have everything, while others, in the same village, had nothing? Maybe someone just didn’t want to work, like others from dawn to dawn? And yes, an ear of sprouts grows from one grain, and this is 8-10 grains, even with the worst forecast “self-three,” you can get three bags of grain from a bag, so these are not too predatory conditions, are they, “another person"?
            1. EvilLion
              EvilLion 31 October 2017 10: 19 New
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              I can raise a letter for you, as the fist tells how he benefited with this bag of the peasant.

              Maybe someone just didn’t want to work, like others from dawn to dawn?


              Stop lying. Fist is a rural moneylender. The definition is still pre-revolutionary. He saw plowing from dawn to dawn in his coffin, he had laborers for this, and he had couch pouches, a bag of grain, so that he would not die of hunger in the spring in spring. And it never occurred to you why the fist? And I guess, because the main ability of the moneylender is that he is always given a loan with all interest knock out.

              And it would be nice to remember that it wasn’t written in fists in Moscow, it was done on the ground, and if someone was written in fists because he lived better for a number of reasons, then these are questions for local people. But I have no doubt that these local frank world-eaters saw perfectly, and I have every reason to believe that at least 90% of dispossessed fists really were.
              1. verner1967
                verner1967 31 October 2017 10: 59 New
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                Quote: EvilLion
                The definition is still pre-revolutionary

                Here it is, the key phrase, and not the label that the Bolsheviks hung each more or less strong master
                1. Looking for
                  Looking for 31 October 2017 16: 21 New
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                  Perestroika was written to you long ago into oblivion, so leave the cliché of those times to yourself. And the rural community itself gave its fists the exact definition of PEOPLE.
              2. verner1967
                verner1967 31 October 2017 11: 01 New
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                Quote: EvilLion
                I have every reason to believe that at least 90% of dispossessed with fists really were.

                Based on class consciousness and revolutionary vigilance, I forgot to add, right? And it is necessary according to the law, not instinct
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 1 November 2017 18: 59 New
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                  Quote: verner1967
                  Based on class consciousness and revolutionary vigilance, I forgot to add, right?

                  Chat once again please?
                  Tsarist Minister of the Kulaks

                  pyhalov
                  October 14th, 2010
                  The text below was published in 1892. Its author, Alexei Sergeyevich Ermolov, is by no means a revolutionary, two years later he will become Minister of Agriculture and State Property.

                  VI
                  The detrimental effect of the development of usury and kulaks in rural life

                  In close connection with the question of collecting state, zemstvo and social taxes that fell on the peasant population, and, it can be said, mainly on the basis of these penalties, a terrible ulcer of our rural life developed, at the end of which it corrupts and takes away people's well-being - these are the so-called kulaks and usury. With the urgent need for money that the peasants have - to pay duties, to get after a fire, to buy a horse after it has been stolen, or cattle after death, these ulcers find the widest field for their development. Given the existing, established with the best goals and, perhaps, quite necessary restrictions regarding the sale for state and private collection of basic necessities of the peasant farm, as well as allotment land, the right loan affordable for peasants does not exist
                  http://pyhalov.livejournal.com/4331.html
                  Read and do not say that the tsarist minister was a Bolshevik, although you could hear this from people like you ...
                  1. verner1967
                    verner1967 3 November 2017 19: 04 New
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                    Quote: badens1111
                    Tsarist Minister of the Kulaks

                    it was probably written before the 25th year. Unfortunately, over time, the terms and their carriers have changed.
                    1. badens1111
                      badens1111 3 November 2017 20: 27 New
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                      Quote: verner1967
                      until the 25th year.

                      It was written in the late 19th century.
                      1. verner1967
                        verner1967 6 November 2017 13: 38 New
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                        Quote: badens1111
                        It was written in the late 19th century.

                        and we are about the 20s
            2. reservist
              reservist 31 October 2017 11: 37 New
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              Quote: verner1967
              ... "fists" at that time called anyone who had more than two cows and refused to "voluntarily" join the collective farm ...

              if laborers work for you, then you are a fist

              about the collective farm, I had a relative in my family who, in those years, “got acquainted with the culture of the peoples of the Caucasus”, hiding there from the wrath of the local authorities, after, with his participation, the whole village entered the collective farm, and a couple of days later Under his chairmanship, the collective farm self-dissolves, while sharing the kulak good between the former "collective farmers" ...

              most likely collectivization took place in different places in different ways ...
              1. verner1967
                verner1967 31 October 2017 13: 07 New
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                Quote: reservist
                if laborers work for you, then you are a fist

                And for whom should laborers work?
                1. reservist
                  reservist 31 October 2017 13: 55 New
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                  on yourself, but it’s “ideal” ...
                  in reality, at that time there were two options, either for the fist or for the collective farm ...
                  to the beginning of collectivization, experience on the fist was already ...
                  1. verner1967
                    verner1967 31 October 2017 14: 21 New
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                    Quote: reservist
                    on yourself, but it’s “ideal” ..

                    Well, then why did they work for the fist, and not themselves? Someone forced?
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                    2. reservist
                      reservist 31 October 2017 17: 14 New
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                      and you probably yourself work for yourself?
                      1. verner1967
                        verner1967 31 October 2017 21: 10 New
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                        Quote: reservist
                        and you’re probably working for yourself

                        Yes, not at the Communist Party lol
        2. hhhhhhh
          hhhhhhh 31 October 2017 17: 47 New
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          In the West, no one should care at all.
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        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 31 October 2017 10: 11 New
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          Sorry, but as practice shows any anti-Stalinist you ... is considered false until proven otherwise. Because, as a rule, it turns out to be false. You’re already lying in 2.5 million expelled, because there were noticeably fewer of them. EMNIP there and a half million are not present.

          And then babies were dying, everyone, my dear "humanity," the Soviet government had already made infant mortality at a near-zero level.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 31 October 2017 10: 29 New
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            Quote: EvilLion
            Sorrybut as practice shows any anti-Stalinist you ... is considered false until the contrary is proved. Because, as a rule, it turns out to be false. You are already lying in 2.5 million deportees, because there were noticeably fewer of them. EMNIP there and a half million are not present.
            .

            I do not forgive: how can I ask for such a blatant Ignorance?
            Quote: EvilLion
            You are already lying in 2.5 million deportees, because there were noticeably fewer of them. EMNIP there and a half million are not present

            To me yours (yours, not yours!) Emnip -lol
            Quote: EvilLion
            And babies then everyone was dying,

            All the babies were taken and dragged into the cold in the middle of winter in a sled, heaters and sent to the North? fool
            Quote: EvilLion
            then infant mortality has come to near-zero level

            Falling .... lol
            1. Looking for
              Looking for 31 October 2017 16: 30 New
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              And that babies born in Western, Eastern Siberia, the Far East, etc. there were some special ones .. that they survived and grew.
          2. verner1967
            verner1967 31 October 2017 11: 05 New
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            Quote: EvilLion
            Soviet power made infant mortality approach a near-zero level.

            Yes, we only breathe thanks to the Soviet regime, I don’t know how people exist in the wild west.
            1. Looking for
              Looking for 31 October 2017 16: 34 New
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              ABSOLUTELY TRUE !!!! Russia since 1991 has lived and developed thanks only to the basics and potential left from the RSFSR.
              1. verner1967
                verner1967 31 October 2017 21: 16 New
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                Quote: Seeker
                Since 1991, Russia has lived and developed thanks only to the foundations and potential left over from the RSFSR.

                But the USSR in the 20s lived on what remained of RI, and so what? What did you want to say?
        2. your1970
          your1970 31 October 2017 10: 14 New
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          Quote: Olgovich
          Mortality among children among the number of sick children is up to 45,5% (for the city of Ar [hangels] ku). Moreover, younger ages are sick and dying.
          HOW could it have occurred to pull Russian children out of their homes in mid-winter and put them in huts and barracks to the North?
          PS From the fact that you shut your eyes and ears, the facts will not disappear.
          - in our Volga region, at home (not in a hut !!!), not from hunger (!!!) - not one died of it, from diseases from 14 brothers and sisters of my grandfather (1921) left alive for war 8. The usual state of rural medicine at that time ..... There was no medicine then in the village at all ...
          Yes, even now - simultaneously transport 50-000 to any small city in the Russian Federation, and then the mortality rate will be high, naturally lower than in the 100s - still the 000st century, but it will be above average ..
      3. Vend
        Vend 31 October 2017 10: 06 New
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        Quote: EvilLion
        Man, perestroika is long over, tales of unfortunate dispossessed are of no interest to anyone. Come up with others.

        And you want to say that there was no dispossession and relocation? Do not make laugh or dishonor your colleagues, denying the obvious facts.
        And about the children, here.
        1. Looking for
          Looking for 31 October 2017 16: 42 New
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          I look, your main argument is the word "colony." So not so far you are ours, Makarenko didn’t manage the children's sanatoriums either. The period was such that you could only control juvenile delinquency by the colonies.
          1. Vend
            Vend 31 October 2017 18: 07 New
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            Quote: Seeker
            I look, your main argument is the word "colony." So not so far you are ours, Makarenko didn’t manage the children's sanatoriums either. The period was such that you could only control juvenile delinquency by the colonies.

            Explore the children's colonies on Solovki. This photo is from there.
            1. alstr
              alstr 1 November 2017 11: 21 New
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              And read a little about the conditions under which the young people lived in the same first months in 42-43? You will not find many differences.
              Or you can read about the living conditions at any shock construction site of the USSR 30's - life there was no sugar either.

              Moreover, there are examples and closer. You can recall Tselina and BAM at the initial stage of construction after the war.

              No need to transfer current conditions to the past. This is completely incorrect.

              And about the babies sent to the "north".
              The question may be: where should these babies be put if both parents are deported? If they are left in place, then what chance do they have of surviving without parents?

              And so for reference, the mortality rate of children under 18 in the USSR in different regions of the country was from 30 to 50 percent. And it fell to the level of 20-30 people per thousand only by the end of the 50s.
              And the reason for this decline, oddly enough, it became the Second World War, because at the time it was received and adjusted the release of several very important drugs (hi penicillin). And medical science, thanks to great practice, made a big breakthrough. Plus, the qualifications of doctors have improved, as for 4 years of work they had a higher roof. Plus, everyone who came from the front in one way or another mastered the basics of medicine, i.e. increased medical culture.
              Yes, and it treats children a little differently (more to value them)

              All this played in a sharp decrease in child mortality.
              1. Vend
                Vend 2 November 2017 18: 41 New
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                Quote: alstr
                And read a little about the conditions under which the young people lived in the same first months in 42-43? You will not find many differences.
                Or you can read about the living conditions at any shock construction site of the USSR 30's - life there was no sugar either.
                .

                And in the youths and on Soviet construction sites people went voluntarily.
                1. alstr
                  alstr 2 November 2017 21: 45 New
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                  The question is not voluntary or not. The question is that living conditions were about the same. Somewhere worse, somewhere better.
                  Here in VO not so far as yesterday there was an article about how Solzhenitsyn lived under arrest. So not every family lived free.
            2. sdv68
              sdv68 1 November 2017 17: 06 New
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              Quote: Wend
              Explore the children's colonies on Solovki. This photo is from there.


              A lot of things are also written on the fences. And in public free (where they still remained) toilets and even more so.

              And as for the Solovki, then (for your information) the first concentration camp there was organized by "whites".
              1. Vend
                Vend 2 November 2017 18: 42 New
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                Quote: sdv68
                Quote: Wend
                Explore the children's colonies on Solovki. This photo is from there.


                A lot of things are also written on the fences. And in public free (where they still remained) toilets and even more so.

                And as for the Solovki, then (for your information) the first concentration camp there was organized by "whites".

                It's not about whose first camp appeared on Solovki.
            3. Looking for
              Looking for 2 November 2017 12: 45 New
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              that you can’t understand the meaning of my statement.
        2. sdv68
          sdv68 31 October 2017 16: 57 New
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          Quote: Wend
          And about the children, here.


          You will still laugh, but there are children's colonies (more precisely, "juvenile colonies") in modern Russia.
          1. Vend
            Vend 31 October 2017 18: 08 New
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            Quote: sdv68
            Quote: Wend
            And about the children, here.


            You will still laugh, but there are children's colonies (more precisely, "juvenile colonies") in modern Russia.

            But what about children's colonies in modern Russia?
            1. sdv68
              sdv68 1 November 2017 17: 04 New
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              Quote: Wend
              But what about children's colonies in modern Russia?


              Is there a difference for teenagers?
            2. badens1111
              badens1111 1 November 2017 19: 06 New
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              Quote: Wend
              But what about children's colonies in modern Russia?

              Well, of course .. if the children's colony under the USSR is bad, but if in the Russian Federation, it’s kind of like you don’t want to talk, but why such selectivity?
              It was necessary to leave millions of children homeless? The Soviet government, unlike liberals, could not allow such cannibalism.
              Is it not because, unlike modernity, those children from those colonies had a ticket to life, and not to the panel as they are now?
              You really stop bustling in the end in your extreme degree of unpleasantly smelling anti-Sovietism, directly, along with a bunch of sympathizers going to Russophobia.
              You don’t like the choice of ancestors? And what, they should have asked you what to do in those days and in those conditions?
              You and others like you are now not very concerned about how ordinary people live, is it because everyone strives to look for black in the past, carefully avoiding talking about the present?
              1. Vend
                Vend 2 November 2017 18: 44 New
                +1
                Quote: badens1111
                Quote: Wend
                But what about children's colonies in modern Russia?

                Well, of course .. if the children's colony under the USSR is bad, but if in the Russian Federation, it’s kind of like you don’t want to talk, but why such selectivity?

                Create a separate topic and talk. There is nothing to distort.
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 2 November 2017 20: 39 New
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                  Quote: Wend
                  There is nothing to distort.

                  You took up this. So please, do not attribute yours to me.
                  Quote: Wend
                  Wend October 31, 2017 18:08 ↑
                  Quote: sdv68
                  Quote: Wend
                  And about the children, here.
                  You will still laugh, but there are children's colonies (more precisely, "juvenile colonies") in modern Russia.
                  But what about children's colonies in modern Russia?
        3. hhhhhhh
          hhhhhhh 31 October 2017 17: 49 New
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          Makarenko’s books are also about the colony.
        4. ihappy
          ihappy 31 October 2017 23: 21 New
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          Street children were sent to the Colony.
          And the trouble with them in the country was enormous. so no wonder.
          But yes, it was necessary to call a sanatorium, so that in the future geeks were calm.
      4. Cadet
        Cadet 31 October 2017 18: 03 New
        +5
        I remembered very well the words of the repressed elderly Volga German, his little one and his family were then sent to the Omsk region, now these areas are on the territory of the Tyumen region, so he said - they sent us Germans, so it was necessary for the country and our country, yes it was difficult and very difficult, but there is no evil against Stalin.
        1. verner1967
          verner1967 31 October 2017 21: 19 New
          +3
          Quote: Cadet
          Germans sent us, so it was necessary for the country and our Motherland, but it was difficult and very difficult, but there was no evil against Stalin.

          Did he admit that he was harming as a German of the USSR, is that right? Well, or is he a masochist
          1. ihappy
            ihappy 31 October 2017 23: 20 New
            +4
            Maybe he is a person who thinks with his head, and not with emotions?
            In the USA, when the war against the Japanese began, guess where all the Japanese were taken?
            To the camps !!!
            It seems to me that any adequate person will agree that the link is not a prison. Better to link.
            But yes, I know the United States can deal with genocide. But we must apologize for everything.
            1. verner1967
              verner1967 3 November 2017 19: 07 New
              0
              Quote: ihappy
              Link is not a prison. Better to link.

              Here is a typically slavish psychology, but better freedom hi
          2. Cadet
            Cadet 1 November 2017 04: 46 New
            +2
            Yeah, the young saboteur of Abwehr at 6 years old, do not write nonsense, he worked as a driver all his life and raised children and he did not have resentment against the state. And they grew up with Russian children and there was no enmity between them !!! . Now fake patriots who shout about love for the motherland sometimes do more harm.
      5. Whispering in the night
        Whispering in the night 1 November 2017 01: 04 New
        +2
        Quote: EvilLion
        Man, perestroika is long over, tales of unfortunate dispossessed are of no interest to anyone. Come up with others.

        Communism has long been dead all over the world with the exception of a couple of reservations; Marxist-Leninist teaching has long been of no interest to anyone. Come up with something else.
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 1 November 2017 19: 07 New
          +1
          Quote: Whispering in the night
          Communism has long died around the world with the exception of a couple of reservations,

          Well, of course, of course .. CHINA is a reservation with a population of one and a half billion.
          Whisper on your muddy wishes.
    2. Yuri Litvinenko
      Yuri Litvinenko 31 October 2017 08: 45 New
      18
      Yes, no one already believes in these tales about millions of innocent victims, for example, my ancestors, Cossacks and current fists in 70, learned that they were brutally persecuted, apparently busy. In 58 I had to deal with the victims of Stalinism, but if you dig up one criminal case. An example is a grandmother, a neighbor of 10 years of 58 art., Help for rehabilitation, and then the theft of state farm funds + the law "On three ears of wheat". There were some who accidentally pleased, but alas, the bulk ...
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 31 October 2017 08: 57 New
        +6
        The random ones were then rehabilitated, and there are no questions with them. And they apologized to someone else.
        1. Black5Raven
          Black5Raven 31 October 2017 13: 02 New
          +3
          Quote: EvilLion
          Random even then rehabilitated

          Yeah, a good half was rehabilitated almost immediately after the death of the "leader", random, right?
          Quote: EvilLion
          And they apologized to someone else.

          Before those who have not died.
          1. ihappy
            ihappy 31 October 2017 23: 16 New
            +2
            Of course, not by chance, but on purpose.
            A purely political decision.
            The cops were just in shock. Read the memoirs. Very fun to read. When a freak is planted, and after half a year comes out as a repressed. You killed three people. How so ...

            Stalin did not die, he was killed. That's who came to power after Stalin, they killed him (most likely).
            it was beneficial for them to imagine Stalin as a murderer. As they are now shouting that the communists are bad, and after the democrats, they will shout that the democrats are pieters.
      2. verner1967
        verner1967 31 October 2017 09: 33 New
        +3
        Quote: Yuri Litvinenko
        and there the theft of state farm funds + the law "On the Three Spikelets".

        And she stole a lot? I suppose I brought the frozen potatoes from the field, from hunger after paying workdays?
        Quote: Yuri Litvinenko
        my ancestors are cossacks and fists

        Who wrote them down there? Would they be
        Quote: Yuri Litvinenko
        Cossacks and fists
        by definition of that power, they would not tell these tales.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 31 October 2017 10: 07 New
          +7
          Rather, a few bags of good wheat from a state farm warehouse after eating two cheeks from your garden. But you continue to tell tales about workdays. I can tell you about the labor hours at the plant, where are the feints so that one person from the family gives out a couple of thousand workdays a year for everyone on the collective farm, while the rest do not personally work for themselves.

          Already someone, but I can’t stand the Soviet pisant spiritually, because my father is a relative of the village. They were homeless, they were homeless, they lived from greed, even with a thatched roof, while the slate was rotting right there in the courtyard, and hundreds of rubles on passbooks.
          1. brn521
            brn521 31 October 2017 12: 23 New
            +3
            Quote: EvilLion
            Already someone, but I can’t stand the Soviet pisant spiritually,

            That is the whole point of your argument. Objectivity is zero, it has only scattered half of the country.
          2. verner1967
            verner1967 31 October 2017 13: 11 New
            +3
            Quote: EvilLion
            Rather, a few bags of good wheat from a state farm warehouse after eating two cheeks from your garden.

            Well, yes, farmers starved to death with starvation sacks of wheat and full cheeks of bread in their mouths. It is not for nothing that the people called this law “on three ears of wheat”.
            1. ihappy
              ihappy 31 October 2017 23: 11 New
              +2
              You don’t have to lie!
              1. There was famine even when the famine was known, and there are objective reasons for this. About 3 spikelets is nonsense.
              2. About collective farms this is a breech. You obviously don’t understand that just before the collective farms there was a famine. And systematic. Not like in the USSR. When the authorities did everything to reduce hunger. In the Republic of Ingushetia, it was simply not a shit about the hunger of the villages. Dying villages and nothing.
              And just thanks to the collective farms, hunger disappeared as a phenomenon. Again, there were cases of famine, but ... see point 1.
              3. Thanks to collective farms, people were able to afford to go on vacation. You do not know, but before the collective farms, you could not go far. No, no, not because it was forbidden (even before a certain time it was, but in RI even more so). And all because having a farm, you physically cannot go anywhere. Animals cannot understand a week of hunger. Yes, even a day.
              And in addition to thinness, there are still children, a husband, a garden of several hectares, etc.
              And while the peasants to the collective farms were starving systematically !!! Fists worked well. Everyone knows that. (This is one of the reasons, not one reason)
              And when collective farms appeared, people had WEEKEND !!! ordinary WEEKEND !!! Not only did they work half a day, and not from morning to evening. So they were able to go to school, get an education, who needs to leave for the city.


              Starving. Sorry, geeks words.
              Thanks to the USSR, we forgot about hunger.
          3. ihappy
            ihappy 31 October 2017 23: 12 New
            0
            Soviet pisant ... what is it? For the first time I hear this, honestly)
        2. your1970
          your1970 31 October 2017 10: 21 New
          +6
          Quote: verner1967
          And she stole a lot? I suppose I brought the frozen potatoes from the field, from hunger after paying workdays?

          In December 1934, the People's Commissariat of Communications of the USSR held a meeting on the fight against theft(this must be read separately - about the then oligarchs, majors and corruption, including the NKVDshnaya (strongly recommend these documents of those times)), and on June 15, 1935, a new radio roll-call took place, on which the People's Commissar Rykov summed up the readily disappointing results of a year and a half of struggle for everyone with mail thieves:
          “For the first quarter of 1935, the most striking figure is the double payments for money transfers. In 1934, double payments for the quarter amounted to 1153 thousand rubles; for the first quarter of 1935 double payments reached 1487 thousand rubles, i.e. increased compared to what we had in 1934. Fake and unapproved transfers are also at a very high level, they reach 1935 thousand rubles in the first quarter of 543. Theft, embezzlement and miscalculations decreased slightly, but remained still at a very high level, reaching 2180 thousand rubles per quarter, last year we collected an average of 2650 thousand rubles per quarter, in the first quarter of 1935 we recovered a total of 2162 thousand rubles, along with a reduction in theft and embezzlement with growth of double payments, we have an increase in theft of parcels and letters: 1934 parcels were stolen in the IV quarter of 2600, 1935 were stolen in the I quarter of 7700. Letters were stolen in the fourth quarter of 1934, 2200, and 1935 in the first quarter of 2600. We have achieved some reduction in theft, embezzlement due to forged documents there. In 1934, this amounted to more than 4 million on average per quarter, in the first quarter of 1936 - 2180 thousand, but nevertheless the number of thefts remains unacceptably high "- 4 MILLION QUARTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! all our corrupt officials like Vasilyeva cry in the sandbox, 8 billion colonel smokes nervously on the sidelines ... With that money, 4 million is the current billions, again IN THE QUARTER. Stalin received the maximum party 600 rubles - it's just to feel volume thefts. And this is only the Post Office - where there was not much money as such ...

          And you're talking about "frozen potato" ....
          1. ihappy
            ihappy 31 October 2017 22: 59 New
            0
            Oooh ... about the post office that there is no money there, you are very grossly mistaken))
            1. your1970
              your1970 31 October 2017 23: 16 New
              0
              Quote: ihappy
              Oooh ... about the post office that there is no money there, you are very grossly mistaken))
              -PERSONALLY FOR YOU - this is the post of 1934-35 - WITHOUT CUSTOMS, ALIEXPRESS, EBAYA and MASTERBUSTERS. About shells of 45 mm armor-piercing (97% defective for several million pieces) in 1940 I’ll be silent and other fortified defense devices of those years - billions (that money) really circled there ...
              1. ihappy
                ihappy 31 October 2017 23: 27 New
                0
                Em. No need to attack me.
                I was talking about the post office, not that they didn’t abduct or abduct.
                It’s just that mail has many functions and not all of them are explicit.
                At one time, it was forbidden to interfere in mail matters at all. If I’m not mistaken, it was about these years.
      3. Vend
        Vend 31 October 2017 10: 11 New
        +5
        Quote: Yuri Litvinenko
        Yes, no one already believes in these tales about millions of innocent victims, for example, my ancestors, Cossacks and current fists in 70, learned that they were brutally persecuted, apparently busy. In 58 I had to deal with the victims of Stalinism, but if you dig up one criminal case. An example is a grandmother, a neighbor of 10 years of 58 art., Help for rehabilitation, and then the theft of state farm funds + the law "On three ears of wheat". There were some who accidentally pleased, but alas, the bulk ...

        About millions of victims, these are really fairy tales. but people really were planted, and if you say that it wasn’t, then Korolev, for example, was sitting for sabotage and espionage, if my memory serves me right. This is the main man in space. It is enough to read the biographies of famous people to understand this. Of course on a smaller scale than accepting shouting from liberals.
        1. Black5Raven
          Black5Raven 31 October 2017 13: 05 New
          +2
          Not only "on October 21, 1937, A.N. Tupolev was arrested on charges of sabotage, belonging to a counter-revolutionary organization. Many leading specialists from TsAGI and OKB, directors of most aircraft factories, were arrested along with him. On May 28, 1940, the All-Union High Command of the USSR was sentenced to 15 years of ITL. He was accused of creating a wrecking organization that handed over blueprints of aircraft to foreign intelligence. "
          Quote: Wend
          whereas Korolev, for example, sat for sabotage and espionage, if my memory serves me right. This is the main man in space
        2. faiver
          faiver 31 October 2017 13: 07 New
          +4
          and why did they put the Queen? for embezzlement, and Tupolev did not just happen to be in a sharashka ....
          1. verner1967
            verner1967 31 October 2017 14: 30 New
            +2
            Quote: faiver
            and why did they put the Queen? for embezzlement

            By the 58th ?? And on what point?
            1. faiver
              faiver 31 October 2017 18: 00 New
              +2
              he was convicted by 58-7
              58-7. Undermining state industry, transport, trade, money circulation or the credit system, as well as cooperation committed for counter-revolutionary purposes by appropriate use of state institutions and enterprises, or counteracting their normal activities, as well as using state institutions and enterprises or counteracting their activities, committed in interests of former owners or interested capitalist organizations entail -
              social protection measures specified in Article 58-2 of this code. [6 June 1927 g. (SU №49, Art. 330)
              1. verner1967
                verner1967 31 October 2017 21: 23 New
                +3
                Quote: faiver
                Undermining state industry, transport, trade, money circulation

                And he badly undermined the industry?
                Quote: faiver
                committed for counter-revolutionary purposes

                And were his goals counter-revolutionary? Haha, some kind of nonsense
                1. ihappy
                  ihappy 31 October 2017 22: 57 New
                  +3
                  To answer these questions, you just need to see what is happening now.
                  Now a corrupt paradise is simple.
                  These were mainly corrupt officials.
                  He could not undermine the industry, but simply did not allow it to develop in full force.
                  It becomes clear how you begin to work in any production.
                  It seems people norms. But it works like liquid shit. It is necessary to do, a and b, he does A, but forgets about B. You told him once, a second time. As a result, the company loses loot. And the person is eventually fired.
                  Who is he essentially?
                  A country is as big a company as a regular company. In general, there is no difference. Only everything on a large scale.
                  And you cannot fire a person. You have two ways, to punish or not to punish.
                  Do not punish? So it will relax the neighbor and will also do this.
                  As a result, the whole company will suffer. In the case of the country, these are millions of victims. The 90s is proof of that.
                  1. verner1967
                    verner1967 3 November 2017 19: 08 New
                    0
                    Quote: ihappy
                    To answer these questions, you just need to see what is happening now.
                    Now a corrupt paradise is simple.
                    tell me, what does it have to do with it now?
                2. faiver
                  faiver 1 November 2017 03: 38 New
                  0
                  What kind of kindergarten group are you from?
        3. ihappy
          ihappy 1 November 2017 00: 15 New
          +3
          The fact that he was sitting does not mean that he is not guilty.))
          Rzhach.
          1. verner1967
            verner1967 3 November 2017 19: 10 New
            0
            Quote: ihappy
            does not mean that he is not to blame.

            guilty, but what does a political article have to do with an economic crime? I hope you understand what the difference is for those years.
      4. long in stock.
        long in stock. 31 October 2017 14: 02 New
        +2
        but they won’t believe you. they believe. and faith it doesn’t require proof .. my grandfather was an Amur Cossack and even a royal satrap ... he served as a courier ... and they did not repress anyone ...
        1. verner1967
          verner1967 31 October 2017 14: 32 New
          +3
          Quote: long in stock.
          served as a courier ... and they did not repress anyone

          And this class was - courier? recourse
          1. long in stock.
            long in stock. 31 October 2017 16: 37 New
            +2
            no, this work is such .. you yourself find it or still explain to you who it is? it’s not difficult for me to help. if of course you understand ..
            1. verner1967
              verner1967 31 October 2017 21: 24 New
              +3
              Quote: long in stock.
              no, it’s such a job .. you’ll find it yourself or explain to you who it is

              Yes, I know that, was directly related to them, but were the couriers destroyed as a class?
              1. long in stock.
                long in stock. 31 October 2017 22: 36 New
                +3
                I don’t know who was there and whom I had. This is your internal business, nobody is interested in. The courier is a post. In those places where he often worked as the only representative of the state .. and no one is explaining specifically for you, he didn’t touch and dispossess him .. I see yours got it. maybe because my grandfather was an honest person?
                1. verner1967
                  verner1967 3 November 2017 19: 11 New
                  0
                  Quote: long in stock.
                  and no one, especially for you, I’m explaining — he didn’t touch and dispossess him.

                  and why touch him? For the availability of envelopes with stamps?
                  1. long in stock.
                    long in stock. 4 November 2017 22: 54 New
                    +1
                    for the tsar’s service. we have already explained to everyone that they have stolen everyone in the gulag .. all 100500 milenov .. don’t believe me, he’s ask olgovich ..
                    1. verner1967
                      verner1967 4 November 2017 23: 49 New
                      +1
                      Quote: long in stock.
                      for royal service.

                      actually we're talking about fists, but what are you talking about?
                      1. long in stock.
                        long in stock. 5 November 2017 07: 47 New
                        0
                        yes no. read the thread. talk about repressed ...
        2. Vend
          Vend 31 October 2017 18: 13 New
          +5
          Quote: long in stock.
          but they won’t believe you. they believe. and faith it doesn’t require proof .. my grandfather was an Amur Cossack and even a royal satrap ... he served as a courier ... and they did not repress anyone ...

          Why should I believe. I myself am from Omsk. So there were 12 friends of us, among which were princes, counts, industrial merchants, even one owner of the Siberian road and a couple of peasants, one very wealthy. It can be seen that they themselves went to Siberia, with nothing to do laughing
          1. long in stock.
            long in stock. 31 October 2017 19: 32 New
            +3
            Do you have friends with the graphs and owners of the Siberian railway? Are you serious? I’m embarrassed to ask, is Napoleon not by chance?
            1. Vend
              Vend 1 November 2017 10: 05 New
              +2
              Quote: long in stock.
              Do you have friends with the graphs and owners of the Siberian railway? Are you serious? I’m embarrassed to ask, is Napoleon not by chance?

              Imagine. I have long come out of the age when gorlopanism is the principle of life. Because of people like you, Stalin is considered a monster. Because such people perverted his decisions and orders on the ground beyond recognition.
              1. long in stock.
                long in stock. 1 November 2017 18: 39 New
                +2
                I don’t know where you came from or why. But when a person tells me that the Counts in his friends is a liar, because we don’t have them for a long time. There are impostors, but there are no counters ... so it's about the gulp. Stalin is considered a monster or near-minded or people who consider themselves masters of the Siberian railway. because they know, they are not her masters, but those who have stolen. this is where the gnashing of teeth begins ..
                1. Vend
                  Vend 2 November 2017 13: 06 New
                  +3
                  Quote: long in stock.
                  I don’t know where you came from or why. But when a person tells me that the Counts in his friends is a liar, because we don’t have them for a long time. There are impostors, but there are no counters ... so it's about the gulp. Stalin is considered a monster or near-minded or people who consider themselves masters of the Siberian railway. because they know, they are not her masters, but those who have stolen. this is where the gnashing of teeth begins ..

                  Imagine there are people who, in spite of everything, have preserved the memory of their ancestors. Naturally, these are not graphs anymore, those times have passed irrevocably, but it is normal to be proud of their roots.
                  1. long in stock.
                    long in stock. 2 November 2017 18: 27 New
                    0
                    so say it. the truth must be said and not to carry nonsense. because of the nobility, yes. but the countess .. and this is normal.
                    1. Vend
                      Vend 2 November 2017 18: 45 New
                      +3
                      Quote: long in stock.
                      so say it. the truth must be said and not to carry nonsense. because of the nobility, yes. but the countess .. and this is normal.

                      For your information, the title is inherited, and not by court order. So you are talking nonsense.
                      1. long in stock.
                        long in stock. 2 November 2017 19: 42 New
                        +1
                        For your information, the title must be confirmed. Moreover, the procedure is very long and extremely corrosive. If you are not too lazy to read how this happens. This is nonsense when a person comes and says, I have the surname Sheremetyev and I am the heir .. you can certainly pay money, like Kirkorov. of course he is a count on documents but no one believes him ...
          2. ihappy
            ihappy 31 October 2017 22: 50 New
            +3
            Rzhaka.
            My brother also calls himself a count. Not of course he is an ordinary cattle, mom and dad are witnesses to this. Yes, and somehow I'm not blue blood)
            But he with foam at the mouth proves that count.
            Do you believe every word?

            Well, suppose your friends are counts and all kinds of big owners.
            Does it change anything?
            They went against the people, they were in the right place.
            What's next?
            The title somehow removes guilt from them ???
            I guess you can’t understand that the count is to blame not because the count, but because he was against the people.
            Not?
            1. Vend
              Vend 1 November 2017 12: 05 New
              +3
              Quote: ihappy
              Rzhaka.
              Well, suppose your friends are counts and all kinds of big owners.
              Does it change anything?
              Well for starters. I didn’t drink at the Brudershaft with you, there’s nothing to poke at me, there should be an elementary culture. This is a cattle habit of poking everyone. It changes a lot, there were repressions and these are not fantasies, only there weren’t so many of them, as liberals and Western henchmen are used to pointing out.
              None of my friends, and I, do not boast of their roots. We lived in Soviet times and now have a real life, not moaning for a bygone past. What are you doing.
      5. Looking for
        Looking for 31 October 2017 16: 47 New
        +3
        I have heard such statements for many years. The vast majority of the repressed received their terms for the cause.
        1. verner1967
          verner1967 31 October 2017 21: 27 New
          +4
          Quote: Seeker
          The vast majority of the repressed received their terms for the cause.

          Well, this is understandable, only the Chekists sewed things
          1. ihappy
            ihappy 31 October 2017 22: 48 New
            +4
            Like you listen, so in general everyone was white and fluffy.
            Only power in the USSR was anti-people. Killing left and right, just like that.
            Shiz.
            1. The power was popular. And the fact that people with brains could get into big politics without kinship and money ties proves this.
            This is important to understand. Then a lot of shit is washed out of my head. Well, if logical thinking is developed of course. Fools have a hard time with this. For some reason, they cannot add a logical chain.
            2. Cases are sewn in your head. And Chekists ... do you even understand what a Chekist is or a word is heard and let's use it? I'm crap.
            1. verner1967
              verner1967 3 November 2017 19: 30 New
              0
              Quote: ihappy
              I'm crap.

              go on, you do it well lol
    3. fyvaprold
      fyvaprold 31 October 2017 11: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: Olgovich
      The dekulakized ones (by the way, by no court not convicted) died from 600 tons to 1 million. How many of them are children ..

      Why so modest? There liberalists claim that it was repressed 1500 million, that is, every resident of the USSR 6 times. You do not trash a fairy tale, it is not solid ...
      1. Dzmicer
        Dzmicer 31 October 2017 14: 01 New
        +4
        The work of the "liberals" is such - grandfathers-great-grandfathers justify the frank delusions. Grandfather - Chekist, grandmother - from the NKVD, and granddaughter - "ethnoliberal". That's how we live.
        1. ihappy
          ihappy 31 October 2017 22: 44 New
          +3
          They do not justify it here, they lied to it insolently.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 31 October 2017 15: 28 New
        +5
        Quote: fyvaprold
        Why so modest?

        Refute. You can not. Only capable of idle talk ....
        1. fyvaprold
          fyvaprold 31 October 2017 17: 14 New
          +3
          Quote: Olgovich
          Refute. You can not. Only capable of idle talk ....

          I did not give you any figures, therefore I do not intend to refute anything and prove my innocence. You bring the numbers, so why don’t you confirm them with documents, or you
          Quote: Olgovich
          Only capable of idle talk ....

          I’m warning you right away: I’m banned in search engines, I go out to the Internet as a morse, and I’m exclusively in the VO, for this, favor the documents in the studio and preferably from reliable sources, all sorts of "Amnesty International"they are not, because they will not be allowed to access documents for a cannon shot, and to the NKVDshny informer and provocateur Solzhenitsyn, there is no need to refer to anything either. Thank you in advance. My respect.
          1. ihappy
            ihappy 31 October 2017 22: 45 New
            +1
            Uh ... Solzhenitsyn NVKDesh informer and provocateur?
            So he drowned for the USA?
            1. fyvaprold
              fyvaprold 31 October 2017 23: 12 New
              +1
              Quote: ihappy
              Solzhenitsyn NVKDesh informer and provocateur?

              Exactly. Do not be lazy, read it "GULAG Archipelago", it’s read, of course, hard, a lot of" water "and idle talk, but if you overpower - be surprised, Solzhenitsyn didn’t encrypt it very much, especially when he decided to desert, he brought his friends to the tribunal. And he drowned for the USA ... So it’s and there is a distinctive feature of any rat, which is warm where the Motherland is. Moreover, with what fright, when it’s anti-Soviet activity © they were released abroad, while many other "dissidents" were not even allowed into large cities. In general, read "Archipelago... ", learn a lot of interesting things.
              1. ihappy
                ihappy 1 November 2017 00: 19 New
                +1
                I will not read this book. For two reasons.
                1. I do not now have the opportunity to read literature for training. Where to read this nerdy? ) If I read it, it will be an insult to me. Since it is insulting to read a bad book when you need to read technical literature))
                2. I do not want))

                Well, your arguments lead to questions.
                But I still don’t understand why he was a NKVDeshnik and a provocateur. For what?
                But then it’s clear why Putin likes him (there he even kind of gave the medal to him), such as his man)))
                In general, the topic is not disclosed, I’ll go better look at the boobs ..
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich 1 November 2017 07: 52 New
            +2
            Quote: fyvaprold
            I did not give you any figures, therefore I do not intend to refute anything and prove my innocence. You bring the numbers, so why don’t you confirm them with documents,

            It is clear that you can not lol I cited the figures (well-known), your business is either to accept them or to refute, but not chatter.
            1. Zemskov to help you and the NKVL reports ...
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            2. badens1111
              badens1111 3 November 2017 08: 54 New
              +1
              Quote: Olgovich
              . Zemskov to help you and the NKVL reports.

              Get it, Mr. liar.
              However, those who are used to accepting the opus of Solzhenitsyn and others like him for the Holy Scriptures are often not convinced even by direct links to archival documents. "These are the documents of the NKVD, and therefore they are falsified. they declare. “Where did the numbers given in them come from?”

              Well, specially for these incredulous gentlemen, I’ll give you a couple of concrete examples of where these figures come from. So, the year 1935:
              http://ss69100.livejournal.com/2400901.html
    4. long in stock.
      long in stock. 31 October 2017 13: 48 New
      +4
      or maybe they’ll start to remember those whom the Cossacks chopped up on bloody Sunday and whipped them with whips? oh yes ... I forgot. they’re black ... why did the hereditary intellectual remember them ...
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 31 October 2017 15: 31 New
        +3
        Quote: long in stock.
        maybe start to remember those whom the Cossacks chopped up on bloody Sunday and chopped up with whips?

        belay fool
        Article about what? Forgot already?
        About the punishments of CHILDREN.
        For what punished, exiled children from 0 and above years?
        1. long in stock.
          long in stock. 31 October 2017 16: 41 New
          +6
          yah? Well, please be at least 1 sentence on the link of the baby? let's not be shy ... brand tyrants bloody ..
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 1 November 2017 07: 54 New
            +3
            Quote: long in stock.
            well? Well, please be at least 1 sentence on the link of the baby? let's not be shy ... brand tyrants bloody ..

            What's wrong with you? fool
            WHAT am I talking about all the time? CHILDREN punished (exiled from their homes), robbed-WITHOUT sentences!
            1. long in stock.
              long in stock. 1 November 2017 18: 50 New
              +1
              what's wrong ?? Article- about what? Forgot already? About the punishments of CHILDREN.
              For what punished, exiled children from 0 and above years? so I’m asking you, where is the verdict ?? there isn’t. that means they didn’t refer the children but their parents. and where did the baby go ?? because the cannibals the Bolsheviks left their mothers .. they’re really real animals to take away the child and put it in the orphanage .. . Moreover, the article is not about Stalin’s camps at all. BUT immediately your comment about the atrocities of the Bolsheviks .. you do not care about the content and spirit of the article, you need to kick the dead lion .. for it is safe and in the spirit of rotten intelligence. every anti-adviser is rusofob.eta axiom. somehow I will reveal how people like you eventually become traitors and policemen .. there will be a suitable topic. and that there’s no crying from you about babies who died on the way to Siberia on the road to Siberia .. and those who villages from constant hunger for hundreds of years .. but yes .. I forgot again, they are not people for you ..
        2. Looking for
          Looking for 31 October 2017 16: 56 New
          +8
          Tell me, what did you do with the Indian children. For example, the Yankees, after how their fathers and MOTHERS were shot ??? OR the Croatian Ustashi. After that, how they CUT OUT PERFECTLY !!! adult population of Serbian villages ??? Probably sent to a sanatorium, in a day nursery. to prestigious schools. ?? KHANA.y and the BAG liberal ..
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 2 November 2017 11: 12 New
            +2
            Quote: Seeker
            Tell me, what did you do with the Indian children. For example, the Yankees, after how their fathers and MOTHERS were shot ??? OR the Croatian Ustashi. After that, how they CUT OUT PERFECTLY !!! adult population of Serbian villages ??? Probably sent to a sanatorium, in a day nursery. to prestigious schools. ?? KHANA.y and the BAG liberal ..


            The Russian children of the 20th century and the children of the Indians of the 16-18th century are one and the same? belay
            Quote: Seeker
            HYPOCRITE.you and scum[B] [/ b]

            I can answer you, for many years I served as a military builder and I know how.
            But I won’t: I can’t! yes
      2. verner1967
        verner1967 31 October 2017 15: 34 New
        +2
        Quote: long in stock.
        maybe start to remember those whom the Cossacks chopped up on bloody Sunday and chopped up with whips?

        Well, they didn’t just chop, but restore order. When the people, in fact, issue an ultimatum to the tsar, and then, breaking through the cordons, breaks into government offices, what was left to do? At the councils and for less, they shot at the crowd (Tbilisi 1956 and Novocherkassk 1962) And what does the Cossacks have to do with it?
        1. long in stock.
          long in stock. 31 October 2017 16: 45 New
          +5
          yeah yeah ... order means ... really, what to do .. can go out to the people and ask what happened? it seems that is exactly what the people wanted? Oh yes .. Again I forget that people are not people for you ... by the way Novocherkassk people were shot the same as you. Also forgot that they were people .. and the Cossacks, moreover, you kind of finished school. did not learn to read? look read ..
          1. verner1967
            verner1967 31 October 2017 21: 30 New
            +2
            Quote: long in stock.
            can go out to the people and ask what happened?

            Well, yes, get out, but why did the comrades from the Central Committee come and did not leave, but did they shoot in Novocherkassk?
            1. long in stock.
              long in stock. 31 October 2017 22: 38 New
              +4
              I say again, they are the same. In principle, you are the same. It’s easy to be a communist if they don’t kill you for it .. just like a monarchist now. Nobody will shoot, so you can safely kick a dead lion ...
        2. fyvaprold
          fyvaprold 31 October 2017 17: 18 New
          0
          Quote: verner1967
          At the councils and for less, they shot at the crowd (Tbilisi 1956 and Novocherkassk 1962)

          Enlighten, please, about the events in Novocherkassk. Who shot the crowd there?
          1. verner1967
            verner1967 31 October 2017 21: 31 New
            +2
            Quote: fyvaprold
            Who shot the crowd there?

            Are you really or so fooling around?
            1. fyvaprold
              fyvaprold 31 October 2017 22: 02 New
              +1
              Quote: verner1967
              Are you really or so fooling around?

              No, I’m not fooling around. Enlighten, do not consider it work.
              1. verner1967
                verner1967 3 November 2017 19: 15 New
                +2
                Quote: fyvaprold
                Enlighten, do not consider it work.

                -And you google type Novocherkassk or events in Tbilisi in the 56th, there is so much material, and the storytellers are more qualified. The seeker, yes he will find.
        3. ihappy
          ihappy 31 October 2017 22: 38 New
          +3
          How to do what?
          Of course raise the legs up and give up.
          After all, the Communists could not do anything ... nothing at all.
          What not to do, everything will be wrong.
          Not like Democrats ... half a hundred million heroes and no people. Everything is OK, we dance and wave.
    5. rumatam
      rumatam 31 October 2017 20: 10 New
      +3
      went verbal diarrhea, infants, frosts -30-40 gr, stop whining this life. And how many did not exiled?
      1. Black5Raven
        Black5Raven 31 October 2017 21: 27 New
        +2
        Anything less than the exiles. They deprived of all earned hard work and sent to the camps.
        And after the children the stigma was put - the son / daughter of a fist, and what I mean, I think you will understand. What were they to blame for, judging by the logic of the authorities? Robbed the villagers? Burned their crops?
        1. ihappy
          ihappy 31 October 2017 22: 36 New
          +2
          Oh no need to lie.
          Children with parents lived up to a certain age. After crossing the line, the child was free to do what he wanted.
          And no one could find out if the parents were exiled or not. If only the child himself did not tell.
          And no one was responsible for the fathers.
          Maximum was ashamed before people that mother and father are degenerates.
          Or recall how many were repressed among the government?
          Geeks often forget about it.
          1. Black5Raven
            Black5Raven 1 November 2017 22: 47 New
            +1
            In 1927, the production of bread by the kulaks amounted to 9,780 million tons, and collective farms produced about 1,3 million tons, of which no more than 0,570 million tons entered the market. In 1929, as a result of active collectivization and dispossession, the level of bread production by collective farms reached 6,520 million tons.
            Quote: ihappy
            Maximum was ashamed before people that mother and father are degenerates.

            Of course, geeks, how dare they WORK on the land on which their ancestors worked for generations? They needed to live during working days.

            I wish you to experience the same thing that they experienced.
      2. verner1967
        verner1967 31 October 2017 21: 32 New
        +3
        Quote: rumatam
        And how many did not exiled?

        Do you think this is a great merit of power? And justifies the repression?
        1. ihappy
          ihappy 31 October 2017 22: 31 New
          +3
          So, the USSR can only be lousy?
          1. verner1967
            verner1967 3 November 2017 19: 16 New
            0
            Quote: ihappy
            USSR can only be lousy?

            why, there were many positive aspects in the USSR.
    6. ihappy
      ihappy 31 October 2017 22: 30 New
      +4
      Even a little more and in general in the USSR, all the children were starving and were shot.
      When you lie, do it in your kitchen!
      Good?
      1. long in stock.
        long in stock. 31 October 2017 22: 39 New
        +3
        he was already kicked out of there ... cabbage soup sour from his speeches ..
    7. Vend
      Vend 2 November 2017 09: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: Olgovich
      In the post-Soviet era, many media outlets periodically began to address the rather well-known and controversial topic of introducing the death penalty for minors in the "Stalin" Soviet Union.
      If we talk about the punishment of children and their number, then we must remember, first of all, dispossessed children. From babies and older .. Who were exiled to the huts to the north of Narym Territory, Arkhangelsk Region, etc. in winter, in frosts -30-40 gr. But they were up to 40% Bonus terms and conditions apply from the number of dispossessed! And it was they who primarily died, not adult men. What were the children punished for, what was their fault? The dispossessed (by the way, no convicts by any court) died from 600 tons to 1 million. How many of them are children ....
      Socially dangerous CHILDREN are also from that time ...: Order of the NKVD of the USSR No.00486 “On Operation for repression wives and children traitors to the motherland "

      A good attempt, but the louts do not read such documents. They hysterically scream that all lies, but do not bother to read documents from archives.
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 3 November 2017 08: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: Wend
        A good attempt, but the louts do not read such documents. They hysterically scream that all lies, but do not bother to read documents from archives.

        That is, you and Olgovich, did not read the documents, do not read but yell?
        Get it and don’t say that you are afraid to read it.
        The information in the table is given at the middle of each month. In addition, again for particularly stubborn anti-Stalinists, a separate column gives information on January 1 of each year (highlighted in red), taken from an article by A. Kokurin posted on the Memorial website. This article, among other things, provides links to specific archival documents. In addition, those who wish can read the article by the same author in the journal "Military Historical Archive"
        http://ss69100.livejournal.com/2400901.html
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 31 October 2017 07: 54 New
    +4
    Caught him three days later.
    ... Veterans said all the police were raised to their feet ..
  3. EvilLion
    EvilLion 31 October 2017 08: 39 New
    +7
    In all 4 cases of the execution of possible minors, there was no way to establish the age, all the criminals were homeless.

    As for criminal liability in general, I believe that from 13 years it should be complete in the case of murders and bodily harm. And moreover, it is especially punishable. It must be remembered that psychopaths periodically occur among children, such as the aforementioned Arkashi, with respect to whom the only problem is that the law has been retroactive. And these psychopaths should be physically eliminated, otherwise it will only get worse for society.

    In the case of a murder, I don’t see any reason at all to talk about infancy, even by 7-year-old it should already be clear what they are doing.
  4. verner1967
    verner1967 31 October 2017 08: 46 New
    14
    Yesterday I read about the release from criminal prosecution of two "children" of 14 and 15 years old, who were raped and miraculously did not kill (killed, but did not finish off) a 9-year-old schoolgirl. Maybe stop looking at age? They, these "kids" already know perfectly well what they are going to and that there will be nothing for them. There is no mortal now, but they can be isolated from society for life. Under the "best friend of children," Stalin was imprisoned and shot "for a joke" and nothing, some even praise him. And for the crime, I think no one will blame the government either.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 31 October 2017 08: 56 New
      13
      They didn’t shoot anyone for the joke, stop lying.
      1. verner1967
        verner1967 31 October 2017 09: 36 New
        +4
        Quote: EvilLion
        They didn’t shoot anyone for the joke,

        They didn’t shoot for a joke, yes, they violated the word order, put them in prison, but 10 years without the right to correspond or just 25 was akin to execution. Yes, I, actually not about Stalin, thank God this time has passed, I'm about the present time.
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 31 October 2017 10: 20 New
          +8
          This is also a lie, a lie and a provocation.
          1. verner1967
            verner1967 31 October 2017 11: 13 New
            +3
            Quote: EvilLion
            lies and provocation.

            the "provocation" was especially amusing, oh sorry the 58th was canceled, there is no one to attribute the denunciation to, right? laughing
            1. long in stock.
              long in stock. 31 October 2017 13: 50 New
              +5
              how is it nobody? You and Olgovich are still alive. So there is still someone to write denunciations ... tongue
              1. verner1967
                verner1967 31 October 2017 14: 53 New
                +1
                Quote: long in stock.
                ? You and Olgovich are still alive. So there is still someone to write denunciations ..

                You wanted to say "there is someone to write for," so I’m talking about it
                1. long in stock.
                  long in stock. 31 October 2017 16: 51 New
                  +7
                  I wanted something and said ... but for juggling a shandal on the head they usually gave me a decent company ..
                  1. verner1967
                    verner1967 3 November 2017 19: 17 New
                    0
                    Quote: long in stock.
                    and for juggling usually a shandal on the head

                    ek hurt you, see right i ended up laughing
                    1. long in stock.
                      long in stock. 4 November 2017 22: 55 New
                      +1
                      me? Nope .. people see who is lying .. so you already earned a bit of contempt ...
                      1. verner1967
                        verner1967 4 November 2017 23: 51 New
                        0
                        Quote: long in stock.
                        so a bit of contempt

                        laughing There is no way to put contempt on this
            2. rumatam
              rumatam 31 October 2017 20: 12 New
              0
              You have to.
              1. verner1967
                verner1967 31 October 2017 21: 36 New
                0
                Quote: rumatam
                You have to.

                So that's about it
        2. Alex_59
          Alex_59 31 October 2017 11: 38 New
          +9
          Quote: verner1967
          but 10 years without correspondence or just 25 was akin to being shot.

          Again a lie. They did not give 25 years for counter-revolutionary agitation (jokes, underground newspapers). Read Elshtein-Gorchakov Genrikh Natanovich, "Prisoner L-I -105". For several years the man had been publishing a Samizdat anti-Stalinist newspaper with poems about the "mustachioed", he was busy with it, asked to stop, but he did it his way - he was put on 10 years (this is the limit for such a crime). And this is in the 1944 year as far as I remember, i.e. it was not just the 58 I was supposed to be, but generally aiding the enemy in wartime conditions. This is a newspaper, published several years on an ongoing basis by a team of authors !!! And you are jokes, 25 years. Lies.
        3. fyvaprold
          fyvaprold 31 October 2017 11: 55 New
          +3
          Quote: verner1967
          They didn’t shoot for a joke, yes, they violated the word order, put them in prison, but 10 years without the right to correspond or just 25 was akin to execution.

          And can I find out the number and preamble of the article, for landing for a joke? Type: "Article 58 - According to the pike, imprison the red-faced in the prison! belay "? !!
          1. verner1967
            verner1967 31 October 2017 13: 24 New
            +2
            Quote: fyvaprold
            And can I find out the number and preamble of the article, for landing for a joke?

            You know, you can joke a lot until you yourself experience it. In the 85th, we, cadets of the school, were driven to load the archive of the local KGB, they moved to a new building. After three hours of loading, when our "overseers" were tired and went to smoke, I climbed into one box and managed to read several pages of the Cause. The bottom line, in the 37th, several schoolchildren, young workers and students of the workers' school of 15-17 years were swept up, the oldest 19 was for creating some kind of society. It’s clear that they weren’t preparing a riot, so, without thinking, having read books about revolutionaries, they started a game. So they went "for a joke"
            1. Alex_59
              Alex_59 31 October 2017 13: 58 New
              +6
              Quote: verner1967
              The bottom line, in 37, several schoolchildren, young workers and students of the labor school of 15-17 were swept up, the oldest 19 was, for creating some kind of society. It’s clear that they weren’t preparing a riot, so, without thinking, having read books about revolutionaries, they started a game. So they went "for a joke"

              Well, if you parse the above example in parts:
              1. 37 year. This is Yezhov. Yezhov was really a maniac and mentally ill. Of the 800 thousand sentences of VMN for the 58-th article during the reign of Stalin, 600 thousand-this is Yezhov. Who denies that Yezhov was a psychopath and an enemy? No one. Yezhov was purged of the bohemian bourgeois revolutionaries who had lost their lands, such as Berries. And he made a mess. Part of the blame is undoubtedly on Stalin that he allowed this.
              2. The above example is not a joke. And already an underground community. Maybe not a riot, but all the same, intelligence agencies are obliged to monitor such communities. And now there are such underground workers (you know about the recruitment of all sorts of Barbarian in Syria, about the Far Eastern rebels). It is now! And then ... the counter-revolution was not a myth, but there were basmachism and banditry, Trotskyists, Savinkov’s terrorists, etc. So, as Gleb Zhiglov said, there are no convicts without guilt.
              3. In general, this is of course cruel. Yes. Well, the power was such in those years, revolutionary. She herself grew out of the underground and reacted to underground circles with a clear excess of the limits of necessary self-defense. Everyone knew about it. Especially the question for students - since you know what kind of pranks you can rake in to the full, so what the hell are you doing? Student - study. Do not be fooled.

              I wonder how the tsarist system of government would react to the underground circle of students. Are they the kids, huh? Or to hard labor?
              1. verner1967
                verner1967 31 October 2017 15: 01 New
                +3
                Quote: Alex_59
                This is Yezhov. Yezhov was really a maniac

                Again, all the lackeys are to blame, but the tsar has no reason.
                Quote: Alex_59
                The given example is not a joke

                Do you always accept everything verbatim? “For a joke” is deliberately put in quotation marks; the point is not the comparability of crime and punishment.
                Quote: Alex_59
                Especially the question for students - since you know what kind of pranks you can rake in full

                How could they know that they would put “for a joke”?
                Quote: Alex_59
                I wonder how the tsarist system of government would react to the underground circle of students.

                At least read about the Decembrists, these circles, and, directed against the authorities, it was immeasurable and even not really hiding
                1. Alex_59
                  Alex_59 31 October 2017 15: 32 New
                  +5
                  Quote: verner1967
                  Again, all the lackeys are to blame, but the tsar has no reason.

                  It is clearly written below: Part of the blame is undoubtedly on Stalin that he allowed this. Stalin is not a deity. He also squinted. As we are.
                  Quote: verner1967
                  How could they know that they would put “for a joke”?

                  Not for a joke, but for all kinds of clandestine societies. My example, Natanych, clearly knew what he could sit down, but he was a staunch anti-Stalinist, did not give up his convictions, continued to publish a newspaper with cartoons and satire on Stalin. And he honestly writes in his memoirs - he was young, a student, a nihilist, he wanted to change the world. He knew what they could punish. He was warned by teachers, neighbors, friends. They called him somewhere. And a year later they arrested and gave 10 years. The result is as if a little predictable - if you achieve something for a long time, then success is inevitable. He fully realized this, about which he writes honestly. I ran into - received. I have no complaints.

                  Quote: verner1967
                  At least read about the Decembrists, these circles, and, directed against the authorities, it was immeasurable and even not really hiding

                  Well. And what? Where were the Decembrists sent as a result? To drink massandra in Crimea? At the beginning, Stalin was also very lenient with counter-revolutionaries and oppositionists. In the 20-s and at the beginning of the 30-s one could blame Stalin and his course openly, then receive a suspended sentence, repent a year later and be reinstated in his post and party (for example, Kamenev, Zinoviev). Then apparently this kindergarten "little ones" with fuss and requests not to be naughty. Stalin got tired and went tin. On the one hand, yes, cruel. And on the other hand, the country was faced with gigantic tasks, and here we need to spend time persuading the Trotskyists, Bukharinites, they say, let's live together, let's industrialize, otherwise Hitler will smear us. He just formatted everything to zero. And scored a new team. Cruel Yes. Dare many innocents? Yes. There was a mistake in the appointment of Yezhov, too. It is unfortunate that without this it was not possible to achieve the same results. Without cruelty and repression did not work. But the main task was nevertheless solved - the foundation was laid on which the country defeated fascism and went into space. This was not cheaply given to us, not without errors. Fact.
                  1. verner1967
                    verner1967 31 October 2017 21: 42 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Alex_59
                    Where were the Decembrists sent as a result?

                    First, they were exiled and executed after the rebellion. Secondly, do not compare the scope and goals
                    Quote: Alex_59
                    laid the foundation on which the country defeated fascism

                    Judging by the number of collaborators, they shook this foundation more, under the king there were not so many traitors
            2. fyvaprold
              fyvaprold 31 October 2017 14: 00 New
              +5
              Quote: verner1967
              You know, you can joke a lot until you yourself experience it.

              I’m not joking, it’s just that all these liberal fables about planting for a joke, because the girl wrapped cherries in a newspaper with a portrait of Stalin, for three spikelets, etc., are already tired. They gave Solzhenitsyn, if I’m not mistaken, for 7 years, and for the boys, because they played “Zarnitsa” - “tower”? Yes, come on, I can’t pretend to say, but maybe you haven’t finished the job. There, in material evidence, by chance, no weapons were listed. In the 70s, in the Saratov region, some revolutionaries also created a society, so they actually shot some people, though they killed people, their families, but they didn’t play with anyone ... By the way, in the 90s during mass rehabilitation, 95% of all applications were rejected. hi
              1. verner1967
                verner1967 31 October 2017 15: 26 New
                +2
                Quote: fyvaprold
                and the boys, for the fact that in the "Zarnitsa" played - "tower"? Yes, come on, I can’t pretend to say, but maybe you haven’t finished the job.

                Yes, I didn’t read it, but I didn’t write anything about the tower either.
                1. fyvaprold
                  fyvaprold 31 October 2017 17: 21 New
                  +2
                  Quote: verner1967
                  Yes, I didn’t read it, but I didn’t write anything about the tower either.

                  I do not argue, they did not write, but it is not difficult to draw a similar conclusion from your previous posts.
                  1. verner1967
                    verner1967 31 October 2017 21: 48 New
                    +3
                    Quote: fyvaprold
                    it is not difficult to draw a similar conclusion.

                    No need to build conclusions on guesses, it is better to use the facts
              2. verner1967
                verner1967 31 October 2017 21: 46 New
                +2
                Quote: fyvaprold
                By the way, in the 90s during mass rehabilitation, up to 95% of all applications were rejected.

                You are strange people, some claim that they rehabilitated everyone with Chokh, others that most did not rehabilitate. Manuals or something poorly studied?
                1. fyvaprold
                  fyvaprold 31 October 2017 22: 15 New
                  +4
                  Quote: verner1967
                  No need to build conclusions on guesses, it is better to use the facts

                  So you did not bring these facts, I had to build guesses.
                  Quote: verner1967
                  You are strange people, some claim that they rehabilitated everyone with Chokh, others that most did not rehabilitate. Manuals or something poorly studied?

                  As for manuals, it’s for liberal accusers and opus authors, like "Stalin's latest crimes". And for rehabilitation all infa is in the public domain. You just need to look for it on Russian resources, western ones, for obvious reasons, do not have access to the archives, that's why they write all heresy about 1.500.000.000 repressed, and our ̶g̶o̶v̶n̶o̶ grief then denunciators like that on different "Yehu Matsy", with foam at the mouth, youngsters and prof-dissidents are blown into stupid interpretations.
                  1. verner1967
                    verner1967 3 November 2017 19: 19 New
                    0
                    Quote: fyvaprold
                    they write all heresy about 1.500.000.000 repressed

                    Excuse me, are we about the repressed or the rehabilitated?
            3. Seamaster
              Seamaster 31 October 2017 14: 11 New
              +2
              Something you focused on the most interesting: and for how many years did they "go"?
              One hundred and five hundred?
              The second question: what was their game? Butterflies catch? Old ladies across the road to translate? Or to Joseph Vissarionovich from Nagan bang?
              Yes, and what kind of school did you have that you rummaged freely in the KGB archives?
              Culinary College?
              1. fyvaprold
                fyvaprold 31 October 2017 14: 16 New
                +2
                Quote: Seamaster
                Something you focused on the most interesting: and for how many years did they "go"?
                One hundred and five hundred?

                Their Yezhov personally raped, killed and ate. How else is that? laughing
                1. ihappy
                  ihappy 1 November 2017 00: 24 New
                  +1
                  No. At first, Stalin personally raped, each twice.
                  And then Yezhov killed and ate him. And then he again raped him to tell his children how they ate and raped him.
                  True, true, that was how it was. )))
              2. verner1967
                verner1967 31 October 2017 15: 23 New
                +1
                Quote: Seamaster
                Something you focused on the most interesting: and for how many years did they "go"?

                "overseers" came, did not give to read. But, judging by the thickness of the case and the signature stamp “keep forever”, I was obviously not sent to my grandmother’s garden, by the way, I didn’t see the stamp “Rehabilitated” there.
                Quote: Seamaster
                what was their game?

                Yes, they wanted to build a fair society, about which even then the young people dreamed, frowned at by ideology. And if that
                Quote: Seamaster
                Joseph Vissarionovich from Nagan bang

                Is it necessary to plant for this, nonsense.
                Quote: Seamaster
                , and what kind of school did you have that you rummaged freely in the KGB archives?
                Culinary College?

                They wouldn’t give it to us, but we wouldn’t rummage freely, they were overseeing us, it was just trust in us, but we didn’t justify it)))
                1. ihappy
                  ihappy 1 November 2017 00: 24 New
                  +1
                  Yes, they wanted to build a fair society, about which even then the young people dreamed, frowned at by ideology. And if that

                  Rzhu)))
                  At the beginning of the 20th century, so RI fell;)
    2. Bulrumeb
      Bulrumeb 31 October 2017 11: 09 New
      +8
      I agree with you. Among youngsters, such frostbite is found that the hair is on end. He himself interrogated two twins, 13 years old, who stabbed a peasant, something about 45 knife wounds. So I ask: how so. And they answer me, it was scary to hit the first time, and then like butter ...
    3. Bulrumeb
      Bulrumeb 31 October 2017 11: 10 New
      0
      I agree with you. Among youngsters, such frostbite is found that the hair is on end. He himself interrogated two twins, 13 years old, who stabbed a peasant, something about 45 knife wounds. So I ask: how so. And they answer me, it was scary to hit the first time, and then like butter ...
  5. Lganhi
    Lganhi 31 October 2017 10: 26 New
    +3
    At least one act of Khrushchev, which can be approved: this is that he did not begin to lap with Neyland and ordered him to be shot.
    1. verner1967
      verner1967 31 October 2017 11: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: Lgankhi
      At least one act of Khrushchev, which can be approved

      And space? Manned flights. And the fact that amers on zh..pu planted in the 62nd? The same Cuba that was ours? Are you talking about some kind of Neyland
      1. Lganhi
        Lganhi 31 October 2017 22: 18 New
        +1
        Cosmos is all the legacy of Stalin. As for Cuba, Khrushchev was liquid in the Caribbean crisis and took out all the missiles from there, while the Amer missiles remained in Turkey.
        1. verner1967
          verner1967 3 November 2017 19: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: Lgankhi
          Cosmos is all the legacy of Stalin.

          laughing
          Dismantling of Soviet missile launchers, loading them onto ships and withdrawal from Cuban territory took 3 weeks. After making sure that the Soviet Union launched the missiles, President Kennedy on November 20 gave the order to end the blockade of Cuba.
          A few months later, American Jupiter rockets were withdrawn from Turkey as "obsolete."
          But the most important condition on the part of the USSR was that the USA undertook not to touch Cuba ... and they still observe this condition!
          Incidentally,
          Quote: Lgankhi
          liquid

          suitable for Stalin in September the 45th when signing the peace with Japan, when the USSR was thrown from Hokkaido, and indeed they threw, until now the world has not been signed and no indemnities.
          1. Lganhi
            Lganhi 3 November 2017 20: 51 New
            +2
            In fact, the Americans do not touch Cuba, because it is too tough for them. The Yankees attack only when their advantage is tens of times greater. Their whole story shows it. They fight only with countries such as Grenada, Iraq and Afghanistan, or with unorganized Indians.
            As for your opus about Stalin, the question of Hokkaido was not even raised, since there was no invasion of the Japanese islands. The USSR took away the territories that it had recaptured from the Yap during the August campaign, namely, South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands.
            1. verner1967
              verner1967 6 November 2017 13: 50 New
              0
              Quote: Lgankhi
              In fact, the Americans do not touch Cuba, because it is too tough for them. The Yankees attack only when their advantage is tens of times greater.

              and Vietnam? "Think, then say" to the movie "Mimino." They don’t touch Cuba because the USSR fit in for it, and before that they had just planned the invasion.
              1. Lganhi
                Lganhi 6 November 2017 15: 29 New
                +1
                And about the landing in the Bay of Pigs, I see, you have not heard.
  6. T62
    T62 31 October 2017 12: 51 New
    +2
    If I understand correctly, a moratorium has been imposed on the death penalty. Then why are thugs given a life sentence, not a death penalty, with a delay until the moratorium ends, even if they have to wait all their lives in a cage in fear of lifting the moratorium?
    1. verner1967
      verner1967 31 October 2017 13: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: T62
      even if they have to wait all their lives in a cage in fear of lifting the moratorium?

      And in the cell on what basis do they contain? Will they live among us? Let’s better sit on a lifelong. After all, imprisonment is not only punishment, it is also their isolation from society, well, or society from them
    2. fyvaprold
      fyvaprold 31 October 2017 14: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: T62
      Then why are thugs given a life sentence, not a death penalty, with a delay until the moratorium ends, even if they have to wait all their lives in a cage in fear of lifting the moratorium?

      Especially stubborn and give. Remember the mid-90s, when the first moratorium was canceled, then many were multiplied by zero, including Chikatilo.
  7. Freeman
    Freeman 31 October 2017 18: 20 New
    0
    verner1967 Today, 15:23
    Quote: Seamaster
    what was their game?
    Yes, they wanted to build a fair society, about which even then young people dreamed


    A fragment of the film "My Friend, Kolka! ..." 1961, about the "secret societies" of adolescents in Soviet schools. Actually the topic is the meeting of the teacher's council. Especially "delivered" the goals and objectives of the "secret society" in the "23rd school." I recommend the film for viewing in full.
  8. Type 63
    Type 63 31 October 2017 18: 34 New
    0
    The death penalty for some minors is worth returning
    1. ihappy
      ihappy 1 November 2017 00: 27 New
      0
      I am against the death penalty. But the non-existent god sees (sour humor) that some deserve to die three times in a row.
  9. Head Physician
    Head Physician 31 October 2017 19: 17 New
    15
    It is a terrible thing.
    Child crime
    Only from the pot - and under the bullet
    And the law is the law
    1. ihappy
      ihappy 1 November 2017 00: 27 New
      +1
      The worst thing is that many street children rendered the verdict death, without trial. For food or for the ruble.
      It's hard for us to judge now.
  10. Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene 1 November 2017 01: 15 New
    +3
    Usually recall the first paragraph of the Decree of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR, the Central Executive Committee of the USSR of April 7, 1935 No. 3/598 "On measures to combat crime among minors," said that minors "starting at 12 years old, convicted of theft, bodily harm, bodily damage, mutilation, murder or attempted murder. ”This regulation proposed “Bring to criminal court using all criminal penalties.”
    But everyone forgets that in accordance with this Decree at the level of the RSFSR the Decree of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee and the Council of People's Commissars of the RSFSR of November 25, 1935, “On Amending the Current Legislation of the RSFSR on Measures to Combat Juvenile Delinquency, with Child Neglect and Neglect” was adopted
    According to paragraph 1 of this Decision, article 12 of the RSFSR Criminal Code was worded as follows:
    "12. Minors who have reached the age of twelve, convicted of theft, of causing violence, bodily harm, mutilation, murder or attempted murder, are brought to criminal court using all penalties. ”
    At the same time, article 22 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR remained unchanged, stating:
    «22. Persons under the age of eighteen at the time of the commission of the crime cannot be sentenced to death, and women who are pregnant ”
  11. reservist
    reservist 1 November 2017 11: 17 New
    +3
    Quote: verner1967
    Quote: reservist
    and you’re probably working for yourself

    Yes, not at the Communist Party lol

    ten weeks after registering on the site, you made 1024 comments ...
    Do you think trolling is a job for yourself?
    1. long in stock.
      long in stock. 1 November 2017 19: 15 New
      +1
      they put him right in the eye .. repeat
      1. reservist
        reservist 2 November 2017 10: 49 New
        +1
        for some reason, all my friends who really work for themselves have significantly less free time than those who work for their uncle, they simply have no time to scribble comments ...
        1. long in stock.
          long in stock. 2 November 2017 18: 28 New
          0
          because we don’t get paid. We need to work ..
  12. Whispering in the night
    Whispering in the night 1 November 2017 16: 47 New
    +1
    How did the Bolsheviks relate to Soviet children of any age - they demonstrated with all clarity already in 1921, during the suppression of the Tambov region. They took even babies hostage and drove them to concentration camps, hunger, cold and dugouts on the earthen floor. What else is needed, what evidence of their inhuman essence ?!
    1. long in stock.
      long in stock. 1 November 2017 19: 07 New
      +2
      How did the White Guards relate to the entire population of the USSR, including infants? General Kutepov created a special camp for terrorists and saboteurs. The instructions for the militants also mentioned such lines.

      First of all, it is necessary to organize:
      1. Production of documents:
      a) seals, stamps,
      b) books with watermarks.
      2. The development of each act on the map of Russia and city plans. The task is given only on the day of border crossing.
      3. Each is supplied, except for weapons (revolver and hand grenades) with a potassium cyanide capsule so that not one dares to get caught alive.
      4. Search for pyrotechnic instructors:
      a) engaging in subversive business and handling dynamite and gases and producing them with people designated for dispatch;
      b) compilation of a brief manual on the artisanal production of explosives and gases, set out in the form of proclamations that must be given to travelers, and also distributed within Russia.
      5. The involvement of an absolutely proven bacteriologist:
      a) equipment of his laboratory for breeding cultures of infectious diseases (plague, cholera, typhoid, anthrax, glanders);
      b) the supply of leaving bacteria to infect communist houses, hostels of the GPU troops, etc.
      Note to paragraph 5: Even the states that help us should not suspect the latter. "
      General Kutepov. Digest of articles. Paris, 1934. paragraph 5 read carefully ... your passage is taken from the so-called Black Book of Communism. That is another opus ...
      1. Whispering in the night
        Whispering in the night 2 November 2017 01: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: long in stock.
        How did the White Guards relate to the entire population of the USSR, including infants

        The article under review, nevertheless, is not about whites, but about reds, this is, firstly, well, and secondly, if my neighbor or acquaintance is a thief and a robber, then I can do that too, or what? What does the general relation of whites to children have to do with it, and if they still drank the blood of those children, can it be red?
        1. long in stock.
          long in stock. 2 November 2017 06: 30 New
          +1
          the article under review is about punishing minors. and you immediately squeezed garbage here without even checking the source. And now you are outraged that you poked your nose with a nose? If only you looked at the dates before copy-paste .. let's talk about the tear of a child, move an immortal slogan ..
          1. Whispering in the night
            Whispering in the night 2 November 2017 13: 57 New
            +1
            Quote: long in stock.
            they poked you with a nose

            And the "lie" is where I, dear, specify. If you can .. wink
            1. long in stock.
              long in stock. 2 November 2017 18: 32 New
              +2
              about the cold and dugouts. already lied. if you already started reading documents, read. as the commandants demand to transfer children and women from tents to capital buildings. as they require food to be provided. as cows for the camp are required. These documents are all available . It is strange that when reading archival documents you did not see this.
              1. Whispering in the night
                Whispering in the night 2 November 2017 20: 34 New
                +1
                And about the dugouts and about the cold, I cited in the documents, so that, you're lying, dear. And, for you, cold is necessarily a January cold, or what? In mid-September, there can be no a priori, apparently? If it is not clear for what sins infants without warm clothes and shoes are sitting in a concentration camp in mid-September, and, according to the archive letter from the hostages themselves, there have already been deaths, is it cold for infants or not cold? And in general - the humanism of Soviet power or a vile crime against innocent people, including children?

                And the fact that Tambov hostage children older than three years (!) Were confiscated from their mothers from concentration camps because some kind of red “humanist” visited such a sparkling idea - what do you think?
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 2 November 2017 20: 38 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Whispering in the night
                  from a sparkling idea visited

                  Well, what is visiting you, except for Solzhenitsyn’s not to be called, for a simple FALSE.
                  1. Whispering in the night
                    Whispering in the night 2 November 2017 20: 51 New
                    +1
                    I have dry facts and nothing more, but you and your comrades-in-arms have only empty demagogy, cheap pathos and unfounded accusations!

                    Extract from the minutes of the meeting of the interdepartmental provincial commission on the maintenance of hostage children in concentration camps in the Tambov province
                    27th of June 1921

                    Children of hostages up to the age of 15 inclusively shall be kept separately from adults in special premises, residential houses or barracks, not in tents at all - if possible within the camp. In extreme cases, with the consent of the local authorities of the special department, children may be detained in buildings adjacent to the camp, which are necessarily guarded by guards.
                    Note: for hostage children up to the age of 3 inclusive, their hostage mothers have the right to be.
                    TSDNITO. F.840. Op. 1. D.1039. L.111 - 111
                    http://www.newsby.org/document/antonov_1919-1921/
                    raz216.htm
    2. long in stock.
      long in stock. 1 November 2017 19: 14 New
      +1
      it means on the earthen floor ... well, well .. in the cold, say. June was in the yard. in tents you are unlikely to freeze. there was no talk of dugouts there - you licked it from the black book of communism, only the idle talk is not confirmed by anything .. The interagency provincial commission for the maintenance of hostage children in the concentration camps of the Tambov province, of course, was seriously worried about the influx of children. On June 27, 1921, her meeting was held. In view of the “large influx of concentration camps for minors, starting with infants, and the inability of these camps to prolong the upkeep of children, which resulted in diseases of the stomach and colds,” the commission concluded that hostage children under 15 years old must be kept separately from adults in special rooms, houses or huts, "... not at all in tents, if possible, within the camp ..." In extreme cases, and only with the consent of the local authorities of the special department, children could be held in adjoining to camp buildings. But at the same time, all buildings should have been guarded by guards. ” [13] The Commission acted humanely, recommending that for hostage children up to the age of three inclusive their hostage mothers also have the right to be ... ". and here’s the difference between the Bolsheviks and the White Guards .. one means they tried to create conditions and the second bacteriological weapon .. and what -humanly-a little torment and that’s all .. as with the tsar it was said_with God's help we die?
      1. Whispering in the night
        Whispering in the night 2 November 2017 01: 19 New
        +2
        Quote: long in stock.
        it means on the earthen floor ... well, well .. in the cold, say. June was in the yard. in tents you are unlikely to freeze. there was no talk of dugouts there, it’s you who licked from the black book of communism

        I have no idea about any "black books of communism", I have not read it. And I learned about the concentration camps and dugouts on the earthen floor, in which not only red adults, but also innocent Soviet children of all ages, including infants, were thrown in the Tambov region from the collection of archival documents "Peasant Uprising in the Tambov Province 1919 - 1921. " (http://www.newsby.org/document/antonov_1919-1921
        /titul.htm#soder).

        So, dear, do not try to otmazyvatsya non-grease by definition, for the facts. you know, the thing is stubborn.
        1. Whispering in the night
          Whispering in the night 2 November 2017 01: 33 New
          +2
          And one more fact, eloquently and vividly showing the entire degree of "humanism" of Soviet power. Children of hostages in Tambov concentration camps had the right to live with their mothers only at the age of up to 3 years, then only separately. The curtain, as they say ..
        2. long in stock.
          long in stock. 2 November 2017 06: 49 New
          +1
          yes? the level of trust in you after severe frosts in June is rapidly falling .. the document number would be kind to introduce. a black book of communism .. select your comment and paste into the search engine. the first thing it does is give you a verbatim link to this opus .. and word for word .. now you archive document-N 283
          From the minutes of the meeting of the Tambov Executive Committee on the composition and number of prisoners in a concentration camp and measures for unloading it
          N 17
          July 28 1921 city
          Listened: ... 1. To date, the number in the concentration camp is 3657
          prisoners. They are divided into categories as follows: bandits and deserters - 1999, able-bodied men - 257, able-bodied women - 220, disabled men - 248, disabled women - 242, mothers - 241 and children aged 1 to 10 years old - 457.
          As for the unloading of the camp in the 1st category, then now
          will go at a fast pace, since the number of investigators has been brought up to 10, as for the hostages, the political committee must take urgent measures to unload the camp, since the prisoners were removed from the food, and the telegram asking to clarify the issue of food has still not been answered.
          Decided: ... 2. Release mothers with children aged 1 to 10
          years, leaving them hostages in place and informing the respective revolutionary committees about them with a proposal to the latter to take them all on record.

          Chairman of the Political Commission Smolensky
          Secretary Eremin
          1. Whispering in the night
            Whispering in the night 2 November 2017 14: 05 New
            +2
            Forgive me if I am upset, but it’s violet to me at your falling level of trust, because you can’t baptize children with you, thank God. And the facts I cite solely from archival documents, but since you are so nervous and stubborn (like all the red ones, it’s been noticed!), You’ll have to put these documents here ..

            From the report of the head of the provincial department of forced labor V.G. Belugin (205) to the provincial executive committee on the creation of concentration camps, the number of prisoners and the order of their maintenance

            22th of June 1921
            ".. The closest relatives of persons participating in gangster gangs are taken as hostages, moreover, they are taken as a whole, by families, without distinction of gender and age. A large number of children enter the camps, starting from a very young age, even infants. The maintenance of young children puts the camp administration in the most difficult situation, and on this issue you need to get clarification as a matter of urgency. Please keep in mind that the camps are of a temporary type (tents on bare ground), which can lead to massive diseases of children ..."
            Head Provincial Directorate of Forced Labor Belugin
            GATO. F.R.-394. Op. 1. D.700. L. 34 rev, 35.
            http://www.newsby.org/document/antonov_1919-1921/
            raz207.htm
            1. Whispering in the night
              Whispering in the night 2 November 2017 14: 07 New
              +2
              Move on. About the "cold in June" specially allocated for you, and for your inappropriate sarcasm ..

              A letter of request from prisoners of the Kozhukhov camp, hostages of the Tambov province, to the drug justice D.I. Kursky with a request for release

              14 September 1921 of
              St. Kozhukhovo, Moscow Region
              Prisoners of the Kozhukhov camp of the Tambov hostages, including 300 old people, young children and their mothers,
              petition
              We, the peasants of Tambov, Kirsanovsky and Kozlovsky uyezd [s] of the Tambov province [ernia], were arrested in June this year. For the fourth month now, we, the elderly, pregnant women and small children, are in unusually difficult conditions for us: we are starving, we are ill, and there have already been deaths among children. For what we are arrested, we completely, like dark people, cannot understand, it is also not clear to us that the healthier members of our and other families are at large, and we, sick old people, children and their mothers, are in camps.
              Now it’s cold, and we don’t have any clothes or shoes, because during the arrest we were not given the opportunity to take anything with us, yes, we frankly admit that we were not guilty, thought that our arrest would be very short, but it turned out the other way around, and we still don’t find out the reasons for that - what is our fault, what are we taken for, as hostages in connection with the invasion of Antonov’s gangs or for others guilty of something, in general we cannot understand all this. We, as eternal workers, should intensify our work in cultivating the land in order to thereby bring substantial support to the coming hungry year of our workers and peasants, but this, to our great chagrin, we cannot provide, and we, as true workers they make farmers parasites, forcing them to sit in the camps without any benefit and guilt, which would seem unacceptable, since we should take part in the construction of a new bright life for us, the working people, and this will deliver a lightened, satisfying life to our young generation of the Socialist Republic. Therefore, on the basis of the foregoing, we kindly ask you to pay attention to our request - to expedite the analysis of our case and set us free, send us to our homeland.
              We hope for the JUSTICE and mercy of our workers and peasants, we will be released, we will not be allowed to experience all the horrors of a cold and hungry life, especially for children. Liberation will force us to be true helpers of the power of labor.

              14 September 1921 year. To this petition, the elders Kalodin Akulin and Satin Agafya, elected from the barracks, are illiterate, and F. Skvortsov signed for her at her personal request.
              RGVA. F.33988. Op. 2. D.383. L.655 - 655 about. The script is handwritten.
              http://www.newsby.org/document/antonov_1919-1921/
              raz306.htm
              1. Alexander Greene
                Alexander Greene 2 November 2017 21: 16 New
                +2
                Quote: Whispering in the night
                Move on. About the "cold in June" specially allocated for you, and for your inappropriate sarcasm ..

                June is a month in the yard, everyone testifies that in 1921 there was heat, drought, the whole crop burned down. Therefore, it is really incomprehensible about the cold.
                1. Whispering in the night
                  Whispering in the night 2 November 2017 22: 42 New
                  +2
                  What a "June", you look at the date of the document ...
            2. long in stock.
              long in stock. 2 November 2017 18: 37 New
              +1
              fine!! Well, finally .. so where are the dugouts and cold ?? are you able to distinguish between the seasons? and trust in you does not fall, it simply does not exist. that you are silent about the mortality rate in these camps .. suspiciously ..
              1. Whispering in the night
                Whispering in the night 2 November 2017 20: 37 New
                +2
                Quote: long in stock.
                and trust in you does not fall, it simply does not ..

                Then again (to the last) - the degree of your personal trust or distrust of my words to me deeply on the drum, you know, I don’t trust the communist agitators and propagandists from the word at all, but I don’t inform each of my red opponents about it. I regard your stubborn desire to tell me about your incredulity only as weakness and insecurity in your position, forum trolls (if you do not know) just talk about topics when there is essentially nothing to answer, they begin to get personal!
        3. long in stock.
          long in stock. 2 November 2017 07: 05 New
          +2
          the facts are really stubborn things .. it’s a pity you didn’t learn how to check them. so it’s a special one, how can you date the creation of concentration camps in 1919 if the hostilities began only in 1920? and then believe everything that is written there ..
          1. Whispering in the night
            Whispering in the night 2 November 2017 14: 11 New
            +2
            I have no idea what year 1919 you deign to write there, sort out your cockroaches yourself, and I brought you archive documents with the exact archive address, refute if you can. But only, please refute with arguments and facts, and not with chatter, distortion, empty pathos and revealing demagogy, this does not affect me!
  13. Olgovich
    Olgovich 2 November 2017 11: 05 New
    +3
    Quote: long in stock.
    so I’m asking you, where is the verdict ?? no. that means they didn’t refer children but their parents. and where to put the baby?

    There was no verdict for either parents or children: there was neither a court nor a sentence. The house was taken from the children and exiled, they were forced to work on logging.
    Fine?
    1. long in stock.
      long in stock. 2 November 2017 18: 41 New
      +1
      banal trep. well, there’s nothing else to expect from you. millions of rehabilitated people haven’t done anything .. it’s you who’ve put someone else in the ears of another lite, but you didn’t punish those who were truly innocent without trial. baby for logging? and drank the blood before or after?
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 3 November 2017 10: 11 New
        +3
        Quote: long in stock.
        banal trep. well, there’s nothing else to expect from you. millions of rehabilitated people haven’t done anything .. it’s you who’ve put someone else in the ears of another lite, but you didn’t punish those who were truly innocent without trial. baby for logging? and drank the blood before or after?

        Your VERY ignorance is simply amazing: dispossessed Russian people, full-fledged citizens of the country were completely robbed and exiled- WITHOUT court sentences, which was a gross violation of the then Legislation. And it is OFFICIALLY recognized in the USSR and Russia.
        Learn the history of our country!
        yes
  14. Looking for
    Looking for 2 November 2017 13: 25 New
    0
    Here I am culturally characterized Russophobic nits as lice larvae. And I got a warning. Now I understand. Why renegades like Sytin are given the widest opportunity to pour dirt on Russia and its history from television and radio broadcasts.
  15. V.
    V. Demon 2 November 2017 14: 34 New
    +1
    P P 'SЊSЏ RџRѕR "RѕRЅSЃRєRёR№


    60
    Dear I. Polonsky. Open the book of memory of the Sverdlovsk region. there you will find the name and surname of a 16-year-old boy shot for propaganda against the Soviet system. rehabilitated in 1956. I have enough of him alone. In Nazi Germany, German children were not shot !!! To understand all this horror, imagine your children in his place.
    Victor.
    1. ilyaros
      2 November 2017 17: 50 New
      0
      All these books, based on Memorial documents, do not provide real evidence. I can make the same list in one or two days: 1. Ivanov Ivan shot in 1935 for stealing candy 2. Petrov Peter was shot at 1938 for a joke. But will this list be credible? This is the first moment. And the second moment - "the cat threw the kittens, it's Stalin to blame." It's about legal aspects. If even a criminal - a werewolf on the ground decided to shoot the boy, then where is the law? This may be his personal initiative. For example, today in one city there was a story of torture with a bottle of champagne. Does this have to do with the law? Not. This has to do with lawlessness. Criminals in uniform and buttonholes met always, everywhere, at any time. The third moment - in Nazi Germany, they dealt perfectly with any anti-fascists of any age. And the top of cynicism is to compare the Nazis, who destroyed hundreds of thousands of children of all nationalities just by the fact of birth, with the pursuit of juvenile offenders, even under the article for propaganda against power.
    2. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene 2 November 2017 21: 23 New
      +3
      Quote: V.Demon
      Dear I. Polonsky. Open the book of memory of the Sverdlovsk region. there you will find the name and surname of a 16-year-old boy shot for propaganda against the Soviet system. ... In Nazi Germany, German children were not shot !!!

      1. Another defender of the Germans, only a reference to their "humanism" is not correct. They killed Soviet children in concentration camps in sophisticated ways, they took all their blood from them and conducted experiments, sent to gas chambers.
      2. In one of the regions of Ukraine, they compiled their book on the memory of the famine, included whole families there, and then it turned out that they still live. The memorial was made cheaply and angrily: using the current voting lists.
  16. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson 4 November 2017 06: 12 New
    0
    One must assume ... one must think ... Then one should not write without knowing.
    In general, the establishment of a tough lower age for criminal liability is stupid. You should not take the example of the Communists, embraced by revolutionary romantic humanism ("correct society, and there will be no disease"). It is better to return to the pre-revolutionary practice of an individual approach to the offender. (By the way, this is what they do in America. For example, when an 11-year-old girl opened fire on people, she was tried as an adult because of the gravity of the crime.)
    1. long in stock.
      long in stock. 4 November 2017 23: 00 New
      +1
      not worth talking about? I want to remind you that under the communists, the militia we walked along the street without weapons .. and in America you nod to street gangs of more than 10 people. Do you seriously want the same?
      1. verner1967
        verner1967 5 November 2017 00: 06 New
        0
        Quote: long in stock.
        our police walked along the street without weapons.

        yes, what year was that?
        1. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene 5 November 2017 00: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: verner1967
          yes, what year was that?

          Do not believe? I confirm. In the 60s when I was in high school we were attracted as combatants to monitor order in the city, a policeman went with each group, there were no weapons to him. Then the precinct came in, also without weapons. Of course, in the 20-30-40s, when there was a rampant banditry, then the weapons were worn.
        2. long in stock.
          long in stock. 5 November 2017 07: 49 New
          0
          Yes, at 70 it was already like that ... or are you already starting to forget? I’ll give advice — less lie longer, the memory is clear, it remains ..
          1. verner1967
            verner1967 5 November 2017 08: 41 New
            +1
            Quote: long in stock.
            yes in 70 it was already

            don't believe your eyes? The second photo is just the seventies
            Quote: long in stock.
            advice ladies less lie
            so before you give advice, do it yourself
            Quote: long in stock.
            street gangs of over 10 people.
            Yes, and about street gangs of 100500 do not have to lie. In addition, even now many policemen go without weapons (district police officers, department employees)
            1. Alexander Greene
              Alexander Greene 5 November 2017 16: 43 New
              +1
              Quote: verner1967
              The second photo is just the seventies

              Is this where the Chonovtsy are sitting on a truck near the Office in the Budennovki?
              1. verner1967
                verner1967 5 November 2017 20: 47 New
                0
                Quote: Alexander Green
                Quote: verner1967
                The second photo is just the seventies

                Is this where the Chonovtsy are sitting on a truck near the Office in the Budennovki?

                you have problems with your computer? Chonovtsy are sitting in the fourth photo
                1. Alexander Greene
                  Alexander Greene 5 November 2017 21: 52 New
                  0
                  Quote: verner1967
                  Quote: Alexander Green
                  Quote: verner1967
                  The second photo is just the seventies

                  Is this where the Chonovtsy are sitting on a truck near the Office in the Budennovki?

                  you have problems with your computer? Chonovtsy are sitting in the fourth photo


                  You can see some kind of hypercomputer, it shows what it is impossible to see, you can see from it draw your rash stories.
                  Pictures in the text of the article
                  1st street children
                  2nd prisoners
                  3rd profile photo and face
                  4th photo of Neyland
                  Pictures in comments
                  1st plate on the hut
                  2nd video - "Theft of the truck" from the movie "My Friend Kolka"
                  3. Chonovtsy.
                  Where is that photograph of policemen with weapons at number 2, which you shock all the time, but which no one sees?
                  1. verner1967
                    verner1967 6 November 2017 13: 52 New
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                    You see some kind of hypercomputer

                    normal, two years Nazat upgrade, and change yours, otherwise the information does not reach you all lol
                  2. verner1967
                    verner1967 6 November 2017 13: 52 New
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                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    You see some kind of hypercomputer

                    normal, two years Nazat upgrade, and change yours, otherwise the information does not reach you all lol
                    1. Alexander Greene
                      Alexander Greene 6 November 2017 19: 24 New
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                      Quote: verner1967
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      You see some kind of hypercomputer

                      normal, two years Nazat upgrade, and change yours, otherwise the information does not reach you all lol

                      Really, only one does not reach me? Show where they were inserted earlier, I see only today's watch. Or were you bluffing yesterday?
                      1. verner1967
                        verner1967 6 November 2017 19: 40 New
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                        I only see today's watch.

                        you see today’s watches on the new ones that I threw off today especially for you, given the imperfection of your computer
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Or were you bluffing yesterday?

                        I have nothing to do, are we playing preference here?
                  3. verner1967
                    verner1967 6 November 2017 14: 00 New
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                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    Where is that photo of policemen with weapons at number 2

                    1. Alexander Greene
                      Alexander Greene 6 November 2017 19: 25 New
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                      Quote: verner1967
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      Where is that photo of policemen with weapons at number 2


                      It can be seen that I really have a bad computer, I do not see weapons in this photo.
                      1. verner1967
                        verner1967 7 November 2017 22: 57 New
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                        It can be seen that I really have a bad computer, I do not see weapons in this photo.

                        from left to right, the holster of the third, fifth and sixth is clearly visible, even without magnification
                  4. verner1967
                    verner1967 6 November 2017 14: 01 New
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                    and what is sticking out from under his protruding shirt?
                  5. verner1967
                    verner1967 6 November 2017 14: 06 New
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                    Where is that photo of police officers with guns

                    here is another "thug"
                    1. Alexander Greene
                      Alexander Greene 6 November 2017 19: 30 New
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                      Quote: verner1967
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      Where is that photo of police officers with guns

                      here is another "thug"

                      “Kopek” is old, shoulder straps are new, this photo is most likely of perestroika times, therefore there is nothing surprising here, then disgraces started again, Gorbachev even led the mounted police.
                      1. verner1967
                        verner1967 6 November 2017 19: 43 New
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                        The penny is old, the shoulder straps are new,

                        firstly, it’s not a penny, “eleventh” or “thirteenth”, and secondly, shoulder straps and numbers correspond. And what kind of outrages began under Humpback? What democrats introduced the khushch so what?
            2. long in stock.
              long in stock. 5 November 2017 19: 57 New
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              Well, take an interest in street gangs in America .. haven’t you been banned in Google? Post a photo and consider it as evidence? Are you all right? Unlike you, I don’t even have to look for a photo ... I just need to speak with a neighbor for a couple of words. I’ve cut off the majority of the policemen for 35 years ... I’ll believe him, you’ll tell a lie. photos of the Chonovites, a masterpiece ... you still care not to lie, but how to look into the sight of God ...
              1. verner1967
                verner1967 5 November 2017 20: 49 New
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                Quote: long in stock.
                35 years he trumpeted in the organs and precinct

                I already wrote to you that the district police officers now go without weapons, so this is not a fact of yours.
                Quote: long in stock.
                post a photo and consider it evidence?

                well, if the words do not convince you, and now even the photo, then hi listen to your nonsense, fire.
                1. Alexander Greene
                  Alexander Greene 6 November 2017 19: 31 New
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                  listen to your nonsense, fire.

                  And you all the same yesterday, they fooled, there were no such photos, I looked at another computer.
                  1. verner1967
                    verner1967 6 November 2017 19: 46 New
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                    there were no such photos, I looked at another computer.

                    they are now, don’t spin like in a frying pan
                    1. Alexander Greene
                      Alexander Greene 7 November 2017 22: 46 New
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                      they are now, don’t spin like in a frying pan

                      That you get out like that, vtyuhtyvayut I do not understand what. At the time of your statement of November 5, 2017 08:41 ↑ "The second photo is just the seventies" there were no photographs of policemen other than Chonovtsy in this material.
                      1. verner1967
                        verner1967 7 November 2017 22: 56 New
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                        there were no photographs of policemen other than Chonovtsi in this material.

                        ok, let's reason logically. What is the point of lying to me, if these photos are from the same resource, it’s enough to consistently type in the search engine “photos of Soviet policemen of the 20s (30s, 40s, etc.) and there they are all native, though mixed with American cops You have a problem with your computer, maybe it doesn’t open all the photos?
  17. Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene 8 November 2017 00: 46 New
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    verner1967,
    Quote: verner1967
    ok, let's reason logically. What is the point of lying to me, if these photos are from the same resource, it’s enough to consistently type in the search engine “photos of Soviet policemen of the 20s (30s, 40s, etc.) and there they are all native, though mixed with American cops You have a problem with your computer, maybe it doesn’t open all the photos?

    The ability to blabber a question is not taken away from you. It feels like you have a lot of time and you are bored.