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Armenia hopes for soon signing of an agreement on defense credit with Russia

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Armenian Ambassador to the Russian Federation Vardan Toganyan hopes that Yerevan will sign an agreement with Moscow on a defense loan for 100 million dollars by the new year.


The government of Armenia approved this agreement. While there is no specific date of signing. But, I hope, until the new year
- said Toganyan

Armenia hopes for soon signing of an agreement on defense credit with Russia


According to the draft agreement, which the Armenian government approved on October 12, the Russian Federation will provide the Armenian side with a state export credit to finance the supply of Russian-made military products. The Armenian side uses the loan to finance up to 90% of the value of each contract for the supply of products calculated in dollars. Prepayments should be at least 10% of the contract value and should be made by the Armenian side in favor of authorized Russian organizations.
The draft agreement states that the loan is issued with a maturity of 15 years under 3% per annum. Armenia should use loan funds in 2018 – 2022.

Earlier, Moscow has already granted Armenia a loan of $ 200 million for a period of 10 years. Yerevan purchases Smerch rocket launcher systems and ammunition for it, Igla-S air defense missile system and missiles for it, Avtobaz-M ground-based radio intelligence reconnaissance systems, TOS-1A heavy flame-thrower systems from Russia. Sunshine "with transport-charging vehicles TZM-T, 9М113М guided missiles, RPG-26 grenade launchers, B-429E detonators, Dragunov sniper rifles (SVD), armored vehicles, Tiger armored vehicles, Tiger equipment, communications equipment, and communications equipment, and means of communication and means of communication, armored vehicles, Tiger armored vehicles, engineering means and means of communication, Tiger equipment, means of communication and means of communication, armored vehicles, Tiger armored vehicles, engineering tools and means of communication, tangent artillery, T-gun, T-gun RIA News

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  1. Livonetc
    Livonetc 30 October 2017 15: 23
    +6
    In this case, credit history matters.
    How regularly are payments made by Armenia on a loan from Russia already made.
    1. maxim947
      maxim947 30 October 2017 15: 26
      +7
      They are certainly good guys, but we don’t give out too many loans? many of which are non-refundable.
      1. oleg-gr
        oleg-gr 30 October 2017 15: 29
        +2
        Credit for the purchase of weapons of the Russian Federation. So many countries do. Businesses work. Even if then the government forgives part of the debt of Armenia.
        1. co-creator
          co-creator 30 October 2017 17: 39
          +1
          Quote: oleg-gr
          Credit for the purchase of weapons of the Russian Federation. So many countries do. Businesses work. Even if then the government forgives part of the debt of Armenia.

          can then at least demand the closure of the US bacteriological laboratory in Armenia?
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 30 October 2017 17: 54
            +3
            Quotation: blooded man
            can then at least demand the closure of the US bacteriological laboratory in Armenia?

            The US bacteriological laboratory is located just in Azerbaijan and not in Armenia
            US Biolaboratory Frontier in Georgia and Azerbaijan
            The cooperation of independent Azerbaijan with the United States on the non-proliferation of WMD and defense activities began immediately after the disintegration of the USSR and is based on two documents dated September 28, 1999 (US-Azerbaijan CTR Umbrella Agreement) and August 26, 2005 (WMD-PPI Implementing Agreement). Since then, a specific area such as biosafety has become part of the country's multi-vector cooperation with the United States. It is important to note that this type of Azerbaijani-American cooperation in Baku is not customary to advertise.

            In addition, as in the case of Georgia, on June 6, 2005, the US Department of Defense (DOD) and the government of the Republic of Azerbaijan signed an agreement on cooperation in the field of technologies and pathogens related to the development of biological weapons and non-dissemination of information in this area. In accordance with this agreement, Baku and Washington have begun joint work to improve the safety and security of the Central Pathogenic Health Laboratory of Azerbaijan and the Republican Antiplague Station in Baku.
            According to information on the Nuclear Threat Initiative website, within the framework of cooperation, Azerbaijan provided the United States with not 60, but 124 samples of 62 unique types of causative agents of plague, anthrax, cholera and other dangerous diseases. These samples were transported to the Institute of Pathology of the US Armed Forces (Washington), where specialists from the US Department of Defense and Azerbaijan planned to conduct joint research
            http://vpoanalytics.com/2017/04/02/biolaboratorny
            j-frontir-ssha-v-gruzii-i-azerbajan /
            1. co-creator
              co-creator 30 October 2017 17: 56
              +1
              Quote: quilted jacket
              The US bacteriological laboratory is located just in Azerbaijan and not in Armenia

              There are in Armenia and Kazakhstan too.
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 30 October 2017 17: 58
                0
                Quotation: blooded man
                There are in Armenia and Kazakhstan too.

                Specify about Armenia with reference if not difficult.
                1. co-creator
                  co-creator 30 October 2017 18: 26
                  +1
                  Quote: quilted jacket
                  Specify about Armenia with reference if not difficult.

                  http://новости-армении.ru-an.info/новости/армения
                  -USA-bio-lab-talk-about-their-double
                  nomination /

                  sea ​​links
                  1. padded jacket
                    padded jacket 30 October 2017 18: 35
                    +1
                    Quotation: blooded man
                    http://новости-армении.ru-an.info/новости/армения
                    -USA-bio-lab-talk-about-their-double
                    nomination /

                    So in both Armenia and Azerbaijan there are US biological laboratories where it is not clear that winked However, the Armenians are somehow closer than the Azerbaijanis because of the fact that we have a military base there
                    1. co-creator
                      co-creator 31 October 2017 23: 24
                      0
                      Quote: quilted jacket
                      However, the Armenians are somehow closer than the Azerbaijanis because of the fact that we have a military base there

                      That is, the Armenians who are members of the CSTO and have a laboratory of a probable opponent are closer to us? For me it is so necessary to remove the base from there once the Armenians have us both yours and ours.
                      1. Dry
                        Dry 1 November 2017 12: 51
                        +2
                        Quotation: blooded man
                        For me it’s so necessary to remove the base from there

                        Apparently the Kremlin understands more of you, since they don’t clean the base.
                        Quotation: blooded man
                        since the Armenians us and yours and ours

                        In this matter, it was precisely the policy of the Russian Federation that sells modern offensive weapons to the adversary of his ally in the region where the war did not end.
                      2. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 1 November 2017 13: 16
                        +1
                        Quotation: blooded man
                        That is, the Armenians who are members of the CSTO and have a laboratory of a probable opponent are closer to us?

                        In any case, we are able to control this laboratory (if it exists), too, what is going on in the territories under the control of the Baku regime in general is incomprehensible and unknown.
                        So, Armenia is preferable to Azerbaijan.
      2. Sergey53
        Sergey53 30 October 2017 15: 30
        +2
        They seem to be their own but somehow continue to sausage with Europe. Well, how dad Lukashenko.
        1. maxim947
          maxim947 30 October 2017 15: 33
          +3
          So we with amers as you say sausages, we trade something, what is it? the question is that this weapon should not become another gift, which is very likely.
        2. garnik
          garnik 30 October 2017 19: 55
          +1
          Like Russia-with the Turks. Distrust however. Historical memory, 1921
      3. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 30 October 2017 15: 35
        +3
        Quote: maxim947
        They are certainly good guys, but we don’t give out too many loans? many of which are non-refundable.

        Quote: Livonetc
        In this case, credit history matters.
        How regularly are payments made by Armenia on a loan from Russia already made.

        Not everything is measured in money. Russia will spend 10 times more if NATO gets into it or Azerbaijan goes to conquer Karabakh and with the support of Turkey, and what can we do in this situation, threaten to threaten with a fist through the Caucasus ridge? Therefore, our garrison there is also an efficient Armenian the army is the key to stability in the zone of our interests.
        1. maxim947
          maxim947 30 October 2017 15: 39
          +2
          Well noticed. But I would not want this to be the norm, knocking out freebies. It may not be enough for everyone, have already passed. And yet, the phrase "not everything is measured by money" refers only to Russia? There should be mutual interest, otherwise why such a "friendship"?
        2. garnik
          garnik 30 October 2017 19: 58
          +2
          Unfortunately, adequate comments are rarely seen on this topic. Reasonable. Thank.
        3. MOSKVITYANIN
          MOSKVITYANIN 31 October 2017 00: 44
          +3
          Thunderbolt Not everything is measured by money

          Armenia is an analogue of Israel, which is allocated a lot of money from the US both in the framework of economic and military assistance ...
          our garrison there and the combat-ready Armenian army are the guarantee of stability in the zone of our interests.

          The only guarantee will be the circumstance if the 2 and 3 PA of the Turkish Armed Forces are involved in battles in the territory of the SAR, Iraq and the Kurdistan created by the Americans ...
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 31 October 2017 02: 11
            +3
            Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
            The only guarantee will be the circumstance if the 2 and 3 PA of the Turkish Armed Forces are involved in battles in the territory of the SAR, Iraq and the Kurdistan created by the Americans ...

            Yes, it’s more profitable for us to direct Turkey’s efforts away from our borders and allies. Let him use his armies in his South.
            realities.
      4. 210ox
        210ox 30 October 2017 15: 49
        +5
        In my opinion, we had no problems with Armenia in terms of loans ..
        Quote: maxim947
        They are certainly good guys, but we don’t give out too many loans? many of which are non-refundable.
        1. MOSKVITYANIN
          MOSKVITYANIN 2 November 2017 19: 42
          0
          Quote: 210ox
          In my opinion, we had no problems with Armenia in terms of loans ..

          Yes, we are not the largest creditor in Armenia, but we are among the debtors
          Other major creditor countries are Germany (3%), France (2,4%), Russian Federation (1,5%)as well as the United States (0,6%).

          http://ru.1in.am/1181279.html
      5. xetai9977
        xetai9977 30 October 2017 17: 01
        +2
        "Not everything is measured by money. Russia will spend 10 times more if .... Azerbaijan will go to conquer Karabakh"
        Why's that?? Russia recognized Karabakh as part of the territory of Armenia? Can you tell me when it was? By the way, Azerbaijan will definitely go to conquer Karabakh. This is our land by any right. And ALL states of the world recognize this, including Russia. The support of separatism and separatists has already cost you many friends
        1. co-creator
          co-creator 30 October 2017 17: 39
          0
          Quote: xetai9977
          The support of separatism and separatists has already cost you many friends

          What separatists for example?
        2. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 30 October 2017 23: 45
          +4
          Quote: xetai9977
          Russia recognized Karabakh as part of the territory of Armenia?

          So we and Transdniestria do not recognize and South Ossetia was in a “limbo” state until the Georgian president decided to attack, and I don’t need to explain how it ended.
          Therefore, the official position of my country is one thing, but you miss that my president spoke very clearly on the Karabakh issue. And the main point of this message is that from the position of Russia this issue DOES NOT have a military solution. It is also noteworthy that Turkey even our diplomacy doesn’t allow this issue to be cannon-shot. Only we, Armenians and you, possess military instruments in this stubborn conflict, in a region limited from external forces, this is a very important point.
          Therefore, if your president suddenly decides
          Quote: xetai9977
          to conquer Karabakh.
          , Russia reserves the right to declare your country a violator of the peace negotiation process (with all the ensuing consequences). Baku understands this well, so I think that they wish to weaken Russia. This will create the necessary balance in the balance of power and you can start now. But as you can see, we do not lose our grip in the region and steadily throw everything that is needed for the Armenians to maintain combat readiness at a sufficient level.
          By the way, the Artsakh army also does not have a shortage of consumables and other military supplies. Do you have a version where it gets them? Here is another answer to the real position of Russia. We arm the Armenian army, and then the Armenian defense minister makes inspection trips to the unrecognized republic . So, in the spirit of words, is the algorithm of "non-recognition" of this land by us understood?
          1. Dry
            Dry 31 October 2017 15: 27
            +2
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            Only we, Armenians and you, possess the military tools in this suppressed conflict, in a region limited from external forces, only three. This is a very important moment.

            This is not so at the moment. Our / your / theirs (necessary to emphasize) Jewish comrades not only sell weapons, train personnel, but shoot at us instead. During the 4-day war, the Azerbaijani Air Force transporter flew 2 times to Israel.
        3. Dry
          Dry 31 October 2017 15: 33
          +3
          Quote: xetai9977
          By the way, Azerbaijan will definitely go to conquer Karabakh.

          It’ll go, it’s sure to go. What are you waiting for? And a lot of money and all sorts of nishtyak bought and all of you are so brave and courageous and allies such that they shoot for the sake of money, but what are you waiting for?
    2. zivXP
      zivXP 30 October 2017 15: 28
      +2
      How regularly are payments made by Armenia on a loan from Russia already made.

      Is this a question or is it already an answer?
    3. XXXIII
      XXXIII 30 October 2017 15: 30
      +1
      Quote: Livonetc
      In this case, credit history matters.

      As it is, they are asking little for $ 100, although they are not that many ..... what
    4. stas
      stas 30 October 2017 15: 33
      +8
      Armenia will never return anything.
      They will have nothing to give, they have no resources.
    5. Primoos
      Primoos 30 October 2017 16: 10
      +7
      How cute! Give denyuzhk, for these denyuzhki they will buy nishtyaki, denyuzhki will forgive them then, as usual. Very cute!
      1. Sergey53
        Sergey53 30 October 2017 19: 02
        +3
        Belarusians live like that if not worse
      2. garnik
        garnik 30 October 2017 19: 10
        +1
        I imagine how U.S. citizens are knocking their knees in connection with regular gratuitous military aid to Israel.
        All lucrative assets in Armenia. under the control of Russia.
      3. Dry
        Dry 31 October 2017 15: 18
        +3
        The Russian Federation has never written off the debts of Armenia, as usual.
        1. MOSKVITYANIN
          MOSKVITYANIN 5 November 2017 13: 01
          +1
          Quote: Brut
          The Russian Federation has never written off the debts of Armenia, as usual.

          It's true.
          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%
          D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B4%
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          1%8B%D1%85_%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2,_
          %D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%
          D1%85_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B9#
          .D0.A2.D0.B0.D0.B1.D0.BB.D0.B8.D1.86.D0.B0_.D1.81
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          .D0.B4.D0.BE.D0.BB.D0.B3.D0.BE.D0.B2
          But she doesn’t have to do this, really ...?
          1. Dry
            Dry 7 November 2017 11: 55
            +1
            Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
            But she doesn’t have to do this, really ...?

            Not obligated and did not. That's why when they say
            Quote: Primoos
            Give denyuzhk, for these denyuzhki they will buy nishtyaki, denyuzhki will forgive them then, as usual.

            then this is a lie.
            1. co-creator
              co-creator 7 November 2017 22: 21
              0
              Quote: Brut
              Give denyuzhk, for these denyuzhki they will buy nishtyaki, denyuzhki will forgive them then, as usual.
              then this is a lie.

              What is the lie? Armenia has no money to repay debts and the Russian Federation is well aware of this.
              1. Dry
                Dry 9 November 2017 13: 07
                0
                The Russian Federation has never written off the debts of Armenia, as usual.
                1. co-creator
                  co-creator 9 November 2017 15: 42
                  0
                  Quote: Brut
                  The Russian Federation has never written off the debts of Armenia, as usual.

                  And when Armenia repaid the debts of the Russian Federation with real money. and not loans taken again from the Russian Federation?
                  You will never repay these debts, for example, as you did not repay the countries of Africa, Cuba and others. In 50 years, if Armenia still exists, these debts will be quietly written off and that’s it.
                  1. Dry
                    Dry 9 November 2017 17: 00
                    0
                    Not a single country has ever complained about non-payment and the share of the Russian Federation in the external public debt of Armenia is less than 10%, so do not flatter yourself.
                    Quotation: blooded man
                    if Armenia still will be

                    Armenia was, is and will be, calm down.
                    1. co-creator
                      co-creator 9 November 2017 22: 29
                      0
                      Quote: Brut
                      Not a single country has ever complained about non-payment and the share of the Russian Federation in the external public debt of Armenia is less than 10%, so do not flatter yourself.

                      Call the date of payment of the debt, please.
                      Here, recently, the Russian Federation gave almost half a green lard for a loan, now tell me what is the total external debt of Armenia.
                      Quote: Brut
                      Armenia was, is and will be, calm down.

                      Yes, it makes no difference to me whether she is or not. It's just that when a small country has all its neighbors enemies, then its future is foggy.
                      Well, of course, it’s funny about “Armenia was,” just a hand on my face.
                      1. Dry
                        Dry 10 November 2017 16: 23
                        0
                        Quotation: blooded man
                        Call the date of payment of the debt, please.

                        Is it too lazy to search the Internet?
                        Debt formed from different loans with different maturities. What are you talking about?
                        And so the quotes from the press:

                        Russia has signed an agreement with Armenia to provide the last state export credit in the amount of up to $ 200 million for the purchase of Russian weapons and military equipment.
                        The loan was allocated at a rate of 3,0% per annum for a period of 10 years with a deferred payment until February 2018. It will be used by the Armenian side in 2015 - 2017 to finance up to 90% of the cost of each of the contracts for the supply of products with settlements in Russian rubles.
                        More details on BUSINESS Online: https://www.business-gazeta.ru/news/302496
                        The Russian government approved the provision to the Armenian government of a state export loan of up to $ 270 million for up to 15 years.

                        Quotation: blooded man
                        Here, recently, the Russian Federation gave almost half a green lard for a loan, now tell me what is the total external debt of Armenia.

                        And again, laziness takes up.

                        More quotes:
                        The external public debt of the republic at the end of July 2017 amounted to $ 4 million, an increase over the month by $ 985 million.
                        http://www.armbanks.am/2017/09/25/110022/
                        Quotation: blooded man
                        Yes, it makes no difference to me whether she is or not. It's just that when a small country has all its neighbors enemies, then its future is foggy.

                        Great-power chauvinism? Does it matter to you whether your country has a strategic ally or not? You see, contrary to what some “very smart” people say, even superpowers (Russia and the USA) need allies.
                        And why did you get that all the neighbors are enemies? It is not true.
                        Quotation: blooded man
                        Well, of course, it’s funny about “Armenia was,” just a hand on my face.

                        Funny or not, it’s a historical fact, even if you are a proponent of an alternative story. Here are some maps of the Roman Empire, look at the neighbors

                        Only one booted. Look on the internet full.
                      2. Karen
                        Karen 16 November 2017 20: 52
                        0
                        Quotation: blooded man

                        Here, recently, the Russian Federation gave almost half a green lard for a loan.

                        Reading the "conscript", you can safely talk about sepsis.
                        About the half-billion bucks that Putin gave Sargsyan, I already said: this loan was given to state employees only to reduce social tension, to help the first Hari here. They gave such a high percentage that Kharya repaid it with a "light" European loan.
  2. INVESTOR
    INVESTOR 30 October 2017 15: 27
    +4
    Just bombing from such news. Why should Russia feed them all (Armenia, Kyrgyzstan, etc.) ?? Take a loan from Azerbaijan ... am
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 30 October 2017 15: 32
      +2
      Well, yes, it’s killing Azerbaijan, on the security of Nagorno-Karobakh! ! lol
    2. NIKNN
      NIKNN 30 October 2017 15: 36
      +3
      Quote: INVESTOR
      Why should Russia feed them all (Armenia, Kyrgyzstan, etc.) ??

      Because otherwise, they will be happy to feed them with America, which will lead to even greater tension directly at our borders. Although for these countries themselves there are examples of Ukraine and Georgia ... but I deeply doubt that someone in these countries was thinking about anything other than money ... request This is a fee for the relative security of our borders ...
      1. Primoos
        Primoos 30 October 2017 17: 35
        +5
        A little inaccuracy in your conclusions, America does not feed anyone, but feeds from everyone.
        1. Nitochkin
          Nitochkin 31 October 2017 03: 13
          0
          That's for sure. To striped someone "helped" for free ?! They feed with one hand, they put a collar around the neck with the other.
    3. XXXIII
      XXXIII 30 October 2017 15: 37
      +2
      Quote: INVESTOR
      Azerbaijan take a loan ...
      They are allies in the Collective Security Treaty Organization .... throwing will also not be ours ... 100 lemons $ is not enough even then ..... if I asked for billions, I would also be indignant ...... bully
      1. MadCat
        MadCat 31 October 2017 04: 53
        +1
        Quote: XXXIII
        100 lemons $ is not enough even then ..... if I were asking for billions, I would also be indignant ...... bully

        this is the tip of the iceberg, you can start to resent wink the budget of the Moscow Oblast is classified ...
    4. padded jacket
      padded jacket 30 October 2017 15: 40
      +3
      Quote: INVESTOR
      Take a loan from Azerbaijan ... am

      Or maybe it’s just from the profit received from the sale of arms to Azerbaijan that this loan is given to Armenia, it actually turns out that it is Baku that finances the supply of arms to Yerevan smile
      Quote: stas
      They will have nothing to give, they have no resources.

      There are always resources, but there are very few.
      Armenian happiness.
    5. Dry
      Dry 31 October 2017 15: 17
      +2
      Quote: INVESTOR
      Why should Russia feed them all (Armenia, Kyrgyzstan, etc.) ??

      In the external public debt of Armenia, the share of the Russian Federation is less than 10%. So your great-power chauvinism is not appropriate.
      1. MOSKVITYANIN
        MOSKVITYANIN 1 November 2017 20: 00
        0
        Quote: Brut
        Quote: INVESTOR
        Why should Russia feed them all (Armenia, Kyrgyzstan, etc.) ??

        In the external public debt of Armenia, the share of the Russian Federation is less than 10%. So your great-power chauvinism is not appropriate.

        The Russian Federation is always lucky with its neighbors, all as one “good”, it’s good that they don’t invoice the Russian Federation for an untimely loan (gratuitous, interest-free, irrevocable) to orphans of the Armenians ....
        I think it will be more profitable for the Russian Federation if the orphans taking loans from the Russian Federation enlarge at the expense of each other’s territory ... at least the number of loans will decrease ...
        1. Dry
          Dry 2 November 2017 16: 52
          0
          Have you lost the thread of the story?
          1. MOSKVITYANIN
            MOSKVITYANIN 2 November 2017 19: 43
            0
            Quote: Brut
            Have you lost the thread of the story?

            Not at all ...
            1. Karen
              Karen 5 November 2017 12: 31
              0
              Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
              Quote: Brut
              Have you lost the thread of the story?

              Not at all ...

              Jew? I’m not asking for a passport ... Actually, I’m not asking.
              1. MOSKVITYANIN
                MOSKVITYANIN 5 November 2017 12: 56
                0
                Quote: Karen
                Jew? I’m not asking for a passport ... Actually, I’m not asking.

                What is the purpose of antirecession? Free as a snot in flight .... next ...
                1. Karen
                  Karen 5 November 2017 13: 28
                  0
                  Somehow I will help the new Black Hundreds in Moscow to merge you into 21. Where do you keep your lists, I know ... it remains to be transferred at the right time ... now is not the time ...
  3. Herculesic
    Herculesic 30 October 2017 15: 30
    +7
    The Armenian diaspora in Russia could have been thrown off, and money would have been enough three times in a row to rearm their army! am Still to the aircraft carrier left! !! lol
    1. Proxima
      Proxima 30 October 2017 15: 36
      +3
      Quote: Herkulesich
      The Armenian diaspora in Russia could have been thrown off, and money would have been enough three times in a row to rearm their army! am Still to the aircraft carrier left! !! lol

      Take it higher! The Armenian Diaspora around the world if it is reset! And about the aircraft carrier, only singer Cher will bribe a couple ... fellow
    2. garnik
      garnik 30 October 2017 19: 44
      +1
      Quote: Herkulesich
      The Armenian diaspora in Russia could have been thrown off, and money would have been enough three times in a row to rearm their army! am Still to the aircraft carrier left! !! lol

      Unfortunately, the Armenian diaspora in Russia is not as united as in the USA and France. Yes, many prosperous, but not so much to support the army. But when the war threatens the historical Motherland, a voluntary collection of money is carried out.
      1. MOSKVITYANIN
        MOSKVITYANIN 5 November 2017 13: 59
        0
        garnik Yes, many prosperous, but not so much to support the army. But when the war threatens the historical Motherland, a voluntary collection of money is carried out.

        Which one will attack Armenia, no one will mess with the nuclear power (RF) ...
        For NK, there may be a batch between Armenians and Azerbaijan ...
  4. Livonetc
    Livonetc 30 October 2017 15: 32
    +3
    Quote: zivXP
    How regularly are payments made by Armenia on a loan from Russia already made.

    Is this a question or is it already an answer?

    I rummaged through the internet.
    The answer is below, but I don’t understand the grace period of 3 years.

    "In June 2015, an Armenian-Russian agreement was signed on Russia granting Armenia a state export loan of $ 200 million for the purchase of Russian-made military products. The loan was granted for 13 years with a three-year grace period, at an annual rate of 3%.
    "In July 2017, the Minister of Finance of Armenia Vardan Aramyan stated that the loan was not fully used - out of $ 200 million, the amount of $ 30 million was not spent."
    RIA Novosti https://ria.ru/economy/20171002/1505996866.html
  5. Karen
    Karen 30 October 2017 15: 46
    +4
    30 years ago, an enterprise was bought from the British for the production of robotics for 350mln. f.s (this is when a pound cost almost 2 bucks), and on account of paying off the state debt of Armenia to the Russian Federation, they agreed to evaluate it at 55mln. green. And also for the rest of the raids of our enterprises.
    1. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 5 November 2017 13: 51
      0
      Quote: Karen
      30 years ago, an enterprise was bought from the British for the production of robotics for 350mln. f.s (this is when a pound cost almost 2 bucks), and on account of paying off the state debt of Armenia to the Russian Federation, they agreed to evaluate it at 55mln. green. And also for the rest of the raids of our enterprises.

      But the Government of Armenia did not try to challenge the transaction through the Court, or is it in the case? Or maybe there was no raiding, but you persecute?
      1. Karen
        Karen 5 November 2017 15: 03
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        Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
        Quote: Karen
        30 years ago, an enterprise was bought from the British for the production of robotics for 350mln. f.s (this is when a pound cost almost 2 bucks), and on account of paying off the state debt of Armenia to the Russian Federation, they agreed to evaluate it at 55mln. green. And also for the rest of the raids of our enterprises.

        But the Government of Armenia did not try to challenge the transaction through the Court, or is it in the case? Or maybe there was no raiding, but you persecute?

        The government of Armenia - this was only a year and a half - since February 1998. on 27.10.99/XNUMX/XNUMX. - execution in parliament. The rest of the time is mannequins controlled by Russian threads from Zionist brains.
        One could learn about the consequences of this course 25 years ago from schneersons.
        1. MOSKVITYANIN
          MOSKVITYANIN 5 November 2017 15: 30
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          Karen these are mannequins controlled by Russian threads from Zionist brains.

          Again the "hand of Moscow" and again the Jews? Five minutes ago I watched the news, the Armenians opened a farm for the production of tomatoes near Vladivostok, 20 took up% of the Russian market, and you say enemies around ...
          1. Karen
            Karen 5 November 2017 15: 43
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            When the Schneersons started talking about the destruction of the national in Georgia and Armenia? Here on this point and they leave here ...
            And under point N2, it is planned to organize in the future clashes between Russians and Armenians in the Krasnodar Territory. Does anyone doubt the possibility of adjusting this? There, the governor of Stavropol has already begun ...
  6. Livonetc
    Livonetc 30 October 2017 15: 58
    +2
    Quote: Karen
    30 years ago, an enterprise was bought from the British for the production of robotics for 350mln. f.s (this is when a pound cost almost 2 bucks), and on account of paying off the state debt of Armenia to the Russian Federation, they agreed to evaluate it at 55mln. green. And also for the rest of the raids of our enterprises.

    However, who bought this 30 years ago?
    This cannot be called raiding.
    And the state of the enterprise for the production of robotics at the time of sale is interesting to know.
    I won’t be surprised if $ 30 million is not worth it.
    1. Karen
      Karen 30 October 2017 21: 11
      +2
      The condition of the enterprise was super ... an international audit would show robbery.
      Similarly, with the 5th block of the Hrazdan hydroelectric station, the Persians offered the best option.

      We got used to it a long time ago, even when the famous cognac factory was given to the frogmen for a trifle ... etc. etc. Maidans for this and are done ...
  7. Sergei75
    Sergei75 30 October 2017 16: 06
    +3
    In Armenians, again they want a freebie with the subsequent cancellation of debts. Here it is necessary somehow differently.
    1. Dry
      Dry 31 October 2017 14: 56
      +2
      Russia has never written off the debts of Armenia. She wrote off billions to many, but never to her strategic ally.
      1. Sergei75
        Sergei75 1 November 2017 17: 27
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        I didn’t forgive, but Armenia really wants to
        However, even before that, Russia has forgiven the debts of many other countries - North Korea, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq and more. Since 2000, Russia has written off debts totaling about $ 100 billion, "said Arzumanyan.
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  9. 100502
    100502 30 October 2017 16: 14
    +2
    Probably kickbacks are good
  10. Amorphis
    Amorphis 30 October 2017 16: 37
    +2
    God is with this loan. I wonder why the interest rate on the loan to its people (Russians) is almost 25%? Or are we worse than foreign friends for the government?
  11. Ramil Agayev
    Ramil Agayev 30 October 2017 19: 48
    +1
    Photo attached to the post, from a military parade in Baku laughing laughing
  12. Nemesis
    Nemesis 30 October 2017 20: 11
    +2
    And I hope that in the Kremlin they will begin to solve the problems of Russia and stop solving the problems of foreign states at the expense and expense of the Russian Federation.
  13. co-creator
    co-creator 10 November 2017 17: 00
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    Dry,
    https://ru.armeniasputnik.am/infographics/2016112
    0/5537293 / armenia-vneshnyi-dolg.html
    Debt only grows (it is already more than 50% of GDP) and you repay it by taking other debts. The same as Ukraine, there are only more sources on paper. Then this debt is simply written off and that’s it.
    By the way, I am glad that the Russian Federation does not give living money, although there was enough mind.

    And which of the neighbors of Armenia is not an enemy? Georgia, Iran?

    Yes, and do not rely on the United States and the Russian Federation. For these countries, Armenia occupies the 50th place in importance. What will be the situation in this region after XNUMX years is unknown.

    Well, show me a map of the Armenian state, for example, in the 15th century, well, or at the end of the 19th century. Yes figs with him in the middle of the 20th century.
  14. co-creator
    co-creator 18 November 2017 22: 54
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    Dry,
    Karen,
    Karenchik you would wash your big nose first, and then write about sepsis.
    1. Karen
      Karen 19 November 2017 13: 56
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      co-creator
      Ivanushka, it’s good that health is without sepsis ... Then there is a suspicion about a blood type ... not in the sense of numbers, but accessories ... Are you definitely Russian? Not by passport.
      ______
      According to the Chinese, by the way, you are mistaken .... They are firmly established here in terms of geopolitics.
      1. co-creator
        co-creator 20 November 2017 21: 42
        +2
        Quote: Karen
        Are you definitely Russian? Not by passport.

        So the famous Armenian Nazism went.
        Have you washed your nose?
        Quote: Karen
        According to the Chinese, by the way, you are mistaken .... They are firmly established here in terms of geopolitics.

        Where is geopolitics and where is Armenia? Even for the Russian Federation, this is a bothering interest, and only because the Caucasus is its backyard.
        1. Karen
          Karen 22 November 2017 19: 20
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          You do not confuse Armenian national socialism with German Nazism ... You can find out about the first in notes to the Armenian intelligentsia from Garegin Nzhdeh.
          ____
          Here you arranged for yourself the Wailing Wall for Russian penny expenses for your southern outpost (Gryzlov said so).
          And speak from your bell tower ... in the synagogue ...
          1. co-creator
            co-creator 23 November 2017 02: 46
            +1
            Quote: Karen
            You do not confuse Armenian national socialism with German Nazism ..

            How many percent of Armenians lived in this territory in the middle of the 19th century? About 20%
            How many Armenians lived in the Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic in 1980? 80%
            How many Armenians live now? 99%
            So what kind of socialism are you talking about ... laughing
            Quote: Karen
            Here you arranged for yourself the Wailing Wall for Russian penny expenses for your southern outpost (Gryzlov said so).

            Chu. Do you already consider Russian expenses as cheap as they are?)
            For Gryzlov and "the thought is not a place for discussion." Old sick man.
            1. Karen
              Karen 23 November 2017 08: 31
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              Now, if the old sick person understands the situation, how are you very infected with sepsis, can you smell it?
              Imperialism requires costs ...
              ______
              So the newcomers squeezed us here, what is not clear to you on the percentage?

              Regarding the outflow of Russians from the Union after the Union ... If you knew about the situation here during the war years, you would not say that ... Not all Molokans knew how to make gas generators for themselves to get electricity from manure.
              1. co-creator
                co-creator 23 November 2017 17: 12
                +1
                What the old can understand. sick person? It does not matter to him Armenia, Syria, Chechnya all on one face.

                Of course it requires costs, only those costs should be returns and benefits. And our rulers live on a tracing paper of the USSR — all brothers and friends indiscriminately.
                Quote: Karen
                So the newcomers squeezed us here, what is not clear to you on the percentage?

                Who are you? Are you Kurdish and Tatar?


                Yes, there have always been few Russians in Armenia, and those who left well done. You are shaking rights in the Russian Federation in front of the locals and you don’t understand anything besides strength, and there the Russians have no protection at all.
                1. Karen
                  Karen 23 November 2017 17: 28
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                  You asked how many of ours lived in the mid-19th century. I give an example of Karabakh. Peter promised a campaign in Karabakh and demanded a military campaign to meet us. Karabakh Armenians spoke at the appointed time.,. but they didn’t see the Russian army ... Forcibly went to live with you. The number of Armenians in Karabakh decreased in percentage in the 18th century?
                  And then we read in the will of Peter: ... Raise the Georgians and Armenians to revolt against Turkey, the Turks will cut them out, then we crush the weakened Turks ....
                  If French falsification, then in our case the truth.
  15. co-creator
    co-creator 23 November 2017 17: 59
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    Quote: Karen
    You asked how many of ours lived in the mid-19th century. I give an example of Karabakh. Peter promised a campaign in Karabakh and demanded a military campaign to meet us. Karabakh Armenians spoke at the appointed time.,. but they didn’t see the Russian army ... Forcibly went to live with you. The number of Armenians in Karabakh decreased in percentage in the 18th century?
    And then we read in the will of Peter: ... Raise the Georgians and Armenians to revolt against Turkey, the Turks will cut them out, then we crush the weakened Turks ....
    If French falsification, then in our case the truth.

    What kind of Karabakh is kind?) I tell you about the current territory of Armenia and gave specific figures. You write me fairy tales about Karabakh.

    That is, you know that a will is a fake, but you still refer to it?

    As there Pushkin wrote: You are a slave, you are a coward, you are an Armenian!
    1. Karen
      Karen 23 November 2017 18: 15
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      Jew, don’t take Pushkin’s line out of context ... We, too, when we want to designate someone as an enemy, we say to him: “you are a Turk”. It’s similar there,
      Chechens, by the way, from time immemorial categorize all their neighbors ... Beautiful Ossetians, horses from Georgia, well, and Turks do not forget to note, but in poor quality ...
      1. co-creator
        co-creator 23 November 2017 18: 38
        +1
        Quote: Karen
        Jew, don’t take Pushkin’s line out of context ... We, too, when we want to designate someone as an enemy, we say to him: “you are a Turk”. It’s similar there,

        Coward, where did you see a Jew?
        Do you need to drop the names of the verse and the dialogue of the father with his son? Below I will throw.
        Quote: Karen
        Chechens, by the way, have long designated all their neighbors as categories ... The beautiful Ossetians, horses from Georgia, and the Turks, are not forgotten to be noted, but in poor quality.

        That's right. A Chechen father accused his son of cowardice and compared him with an Armenian. It doesn’t matter why he called his son like that, but it’s important who did you consider the highlanders in the Caucasus: Trusamy and slaves.

        Come on, you're not my son
        You are not a Chechen - you are an old woman,
        You are a coward, you are a slave, you are an Armenian!
        Damn me! go - to hear
        No one about the timid had ....
        1. Karen
          Karen 23 November 2017 18: 51
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          Do you remember all the timidity of your son there? Did you see cowardice at your son there?
          _____
          And further. Don’t forget about the participation of Armenians in the Caucasian war ... we were definitely enemies to them ... and a lot can be said about the enemy in verse .. Kadyrov also allows himself a lot, but everyone saw and know how the Chechen fighters from Karabakh were scolding.
          1. Karen
            Karen 23 November 2017 19: 07
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            Add it here. The Persian Shah did not allow Georgian soldiers to walk through the Caucasians in a whirlwind ... and in Pushkin's notes it says that he wanted to write "you are Georgian" there - that is, there it is designated as an enemy.
            1. co-creator
              co-creator 23 November 2017 20: 27
              +1
              Quote: Karen
              Add it here. The Persian Shah did not allow Georgian soldiers to walk through the Caucasians in a tornado ...

              Freight, tornado? Is this a joke?))
              Quote: Karen
              and in Pushkin’s notes it says that he wanted to write “you are Georgian” - that is, there it is designated as an enemy.

              Again the Armenian started his way: macaw, brother, I swear by my mother there was a Georgian instead of an Armenian.)
              Then I will show Pushkin’s notes with an “Armenian” and you will say as usual: uh, I’m your mom and sister un .. l

              ----

              Lermontov already wrote about Georgians
              And the wild cry and moan deaf
              Sped into the depths of the valley -
              The battle did not last long:
              Timid Georgians fled! ...
          2. co-creator
            co-creator 23 November 2017 20: 17
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            Quote: Karen
            Do you remember all the timidity of your son there? Did you see cowardice at your son there?

            According to the Circassian custom of that time there is a lot of cowardice. But the main thing is not this; you were considered slaves and cowards.
            Quote: Karen
            And further. Do not forget about the participation of Armenians in the Caucasian war ... we were clearly their enemies ...

            What war did you participate in? With Circassians and Chechens? Just like ho.ho.l, on the go, I came up with a new story.

            Quote: Karen
            and much can be said about the enemy in verse ..

            Pushkin wrote this poem, but he could not be an enemy to the Armenians. He is just a genius, but a genius cannot write lies.
            Quote: Karen
            Kadyrov also allows himself a lot, but everyone saw and knows how the Chechen fighters from Karabakh draped.

            What do you want to tell me that the Armenians are not cowards and good warriors? So I know it without you. Of the peoples of the Caucasus, only Armenians (others were exceptions) served in special forces, were senior officers. generals and even marshals. Just like that in the Russian, Soviet and Russian army this can not be achieved.
            Only all your courage and courage fades before your nagging - "the Bolsheviks surrendered Armenia" "the Russian bastards did not fight for the ARMENIAN Kars instead of us" "the Russian invaders pushed us, forbidden the language", etc. Roughly speaking, we MUST have conquered Armenia, and then get out of there or get terror. That is precisely your cowardly and slavish nature.
            1. Karen
              Karen 23 November 2017 20: 45
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              About the Georgians who wanted to go through the Caucasians, I read in the explanation of the article from the journal Vestnik AN Az.SSR 3/1988.
              Previously / long ago he quoted words from the movie “Date Tutashkhia” - in the Persian cavalry, only Georgians were allowed to fight standing.

              I don’t translate Pushkin’s words to Georgians ... I’m just explaining the nuances - there, by an Armenian we mean an enemy.
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              About the Russian liberation of Kars, I have already laid out the earlier statement of Karl Mordechai - what are you getting in there? If you are not a Jew, but a Russian, then this is a much worse position / orientation - the Zionists knew that everything was being done to gouge RI, the Russians in Bolshevism were simply sold to foreigners. Go around the site ... there are many facts.
              1. co-creator
                co-creator 23 November 2017 21: 42
                +1
                Quote: Karen
                About the Georgians who wanted to go through the Caucasians, I read in the explanation of the article from the journal Vestnik AN Az.SSR 3/1988.

                To want does not mean to be able.
                Quote: Karen
                I don’t translate Pushkin’s words to Georgians ... I’m just explaining the nuances - there, by an Armenian is meant an enemy

                You are mistaken. The Armenians could not be enemies of the Circassians and Chechens in the first half of the 19th century, they were their prey and slaves. Armenians were then “Jews” of the Caucasus, and not warriors. You became warriors when the Russian tsars allowed to move to Russian Armenia, there were enough of you to form the police which were used in the fight against the Turks and Tatars.
                Quote: Karen
                About the Russian liberation of Kars, I have already laid out the earlier statement of Karl Mordechai - what are you getting in there?

                What do I darken? If Kars is Armenian, then Armenians should defend it. If they could not, then what are the claims against the Russians or the Bolsheviks?
                Quote: Karen
                If you are not a Jew, but a Russian, then this is a much worse position / orientation - the Zionists knew that everything was being done to gouge RI, the Russians in Bolshevism were simply sold to foreigners.

                Listen, in RI life was not sugar. The Russians went hungry every ten years, they were illiterate, were deprived of many rights, owed over the ears to the landlords and had no land.
                There was a revolution and the very existence of Russia was in jeopardy. We should save our country, and here you are writing about some kind of Kars.
                The tsarist elites treated the Russian people as cattle and aborigines, the Bolsheviks were generally internationalists who generally did not care at all. Yes, the Bolsheviks crushed the Russian people, destroyed a bunch of Russian people, but it was the choice of the Russian people. 90% of the Bolsheviks were Russian and killed themselves if anything. It is possible to argue who is better than the Bolsheviks or the pro-Western bourgeoisie, but the fact that Russia did not need Kars and Turkish Armenia in 1914 and 1917 was just a fact. So why was the Bolsheviks or Russians fighting for Kars if Ukraine and Siberia fell off from Russia?

                The Russian army left the Caucasus leaving all the weapons and property to you and the Georgians. Who prevented you from defending Kars? Instead, you stupidly surrendered it. Who prevented to agree with the Georgians on joint defense against the Turks, for example? The Bolsheviks? Instead, you began to fight there with all the neighbors.
                1. Karen
                  Karen 23 November 2017 22: 09
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                  The Georgians didn’t just want to go for a walk - the Shah did not allow, and sent them to fight in another region. What is stopping you from reading that magazine?

                  For the Armenians against the Highlanders, I did not mean the police so much as ours in the Russian army in the Caucasus.

                  The Russian army left Trebizond, leaving everything to the Turks ... As in St. Petersburg, the elite in the Transcaucasus was Jewish ... As everyone knew, Lenin and Trotsky surrendered us.
                  Our slogan is "Let the Russian-Jewish-Turkish-Tatar bloc drown in our blood!" in 1920 they also knew ... but we were few ...
                  1. co-creator
                    co-creator 24 November 2017 07: 55
                    +1
                    Quote: Karen
                    The Georgians didn’t just want to go for a walk - the Shah did not allow, and sent them to fight in another region. What is stopping you from reading that magazine?

                    Who sent whom to fight and where? Again, someone is to blame) explain in your own words.

                    Quote: Karen
                    For the Armenians against the Highlanders, I did not mean the police so much as ours in the Russian army in the Caucasus.

                    You're delusional. At the time of Pushkin in the Russian army, all the soldiers were only Russian. The natives served in separate units of the police. The Armenians did not have any police then, since the Armenians were "Jews" of the Caucasus and they were in the Russian Armenian regions only 20% of the total population.
                    I understand you unpleasantly, but just accept the fact. At the time of Pushkin, the Armenians were not warriors, but were prey for other Caucasians.
                    Quote: Karen
                    The Russian army left Trebizond, leaving everything to the Turks ... As in St. Petersburg, the elite in the Transcaucasus was Jewish ... As everyone knew, Lenin and Trotsky surrendered us.

                    FOLLOW A NEW HISTORY I came up with) What Jews? What does Lenin and Trotsky have to do with it, if the Russian army left the Caucasus when the Bolsheviks had no sole authority and the army did not submit to them. Parts began to act themselves and go to Russia after the Brest Peace. All military equipment was left where it was stored. For example, Kars was one large warehouse and a modern fortress, and all this went to the Armenians.
                    Quote: Karen
                    . How Lenin and Trotsky handed us over is known to all

                    whom are you? it was the land of the Russian empire. The empire stopped fighting and headed home. Why should Russians fight for Armenian lands? If this is your land, then fight for it yourself.
                    Quote: Karen
                    Our slogan is "Let the Russian-Jewish-Turkish-Tatar bloc drown in our blood!" in 1920 they also knew ... but we were few ...

                    Haaa ... That's all the Armenian arrogance, slavery and cowardice) The fact that you lost your lands is to blame for the Russian-Jewish-Tatars-Turks, and not yourself)) Mom and Dad did not tell you that you should protect your house each owner should himself?)
                    That's why I consider it a huge mistake to place our base in modern Armenia. You will betray us at any time when it will be profitable for you)
                    1. Karen
                      Karen 24 November 2017 08: 16
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                      It is difficult to fight against the Red Machine of Zionism ... only Pilsudsky succeeded.
                      You do not consider Russian and red equivalent ... These are different directions ...
                      About betraying Russia - it’s hard to escape from a submarine ...
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                      I called you the magazine with the number ... There is an analytical article of the 18th century Turkic military thinker ... read, you will be smarter in the Caucasus.
                      ______
                      There were no Armenians in the RIA since the time of Pushkin? Nothing confused you? Surnames are known, you can search.
                      1. co-creator
                        co-creator 24 November 2017 23: 54
                        +1
                        Quote: Karen
                        It is difficult to fight against the Red Machine of Zionism ... only Pilsudsky succeeded.

                        That is, the red army is the Zionists? So Hitler Zionists defeated?) O_o
                        Quote: Karen
                        You do not consider Russian and red equivalent ... These are different directions ...

                        and what is the direction of the Russian? for Armenians to conquer the Armenian lands for Armenians?)
                        Quote: Karen
                        About betraying Russia - it’s hard to escape from a submarine ...

                        you ran away
                        Quote: Karen
                        I called you the magazine with the number ... There is an analytical article of the 18th century Turkic military thinker ... read, you will be smarter in the Caucasus.

                        where is the 18th century and the WWI?
                        Quote: Karen
                        There were no Armenians in the RIA since the time of Pushkin? Nothing confused you? Surnames are known, you can search.

                        CERTAINLY WASN’T. The soldiers were recruited only from the Russian regions and only Christians.
  16. Karen
    Karen 25 November 2017 00: 53
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    co-creator,
    The Red Army of 1920 is Zionism, and all of them are not Jews there - they are simply sold for loot. I told this 30 years ago to the old Chekist, whose father was in the "Spartak" military unit, the local> s had it.
    Don’t get confused by the abbreviation of the Red Army ... Stalin quietly had to remove 5000 Zionists and their corrupt sixes from there before he could arrange for purgatory in 1937, so that he could then defend his homeland in the 41st.
    _______
    What prevented the Bolsheviks from giving Kars to the Turks? I, here, I think - Zionism. The rest is from the evil one, or rather, from overpayment.
    ______
    I recommended the analysis of the work of the author of the 18th century to increase the level of knowledge in geopolitics ... "Kaim" Bedreddin - zade.
    ______
    Do your surnames Lisitsian, Bebutov, Madatov say nothing? So were the Armenians in RIA at the time of Pushkin or not?
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