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British historian: If it were not for the socialists, Hitler would not have become a Nazi

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British newspaper The Guardian publishes material on how “it was possible to avoid the creation of a Nazi state in Germany”. The submission stated that the British experts allegedly had documents at their disposal, from which it follows that in 1919, Adolf Hitler wanted to become a member of the German Socialist Party.


From the material:
Socialists then refused to Hitler. They denied him the services of writing articles in party newspapers.


British edition refers to the professor stories Aberdeen University by Thomas Weber. It was Weber who claims that if it were not for the “refusal of the German socialists,” Hitler would not have joined the National Socialists, and then cultivate the ideas of Nazism in Germany.

British historian: If it were not for the socialists, Hitler would not have become a Nazi


From the article:
If Hitler had been accepted then, he would not have grown into a person who gives orders. He would have remained in the performing roles in the party of socialists. He (Hitler) himself then showed no leadership qualities.


The Scottish historian himself states that he came to such conclusions when studying the archives in Munich. There he discovered the memories of the founder of the German Socialist Party, Hans Georg Grassinger.

It is reported that the Weber study is preparing to publish the press at Oxford University. The material is prepared under the title “The formation of Hitler. The creation of the Nazis.

The study is quite possible to comment on the well-known idiom that if her grandmother had known "signs", she would have been a grandfather. So with the "fault" of the German socialists that if it were not for them, Hitler would not have become not Hitler.
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  1. himRa
    himRa 30 October 2017 14: 49 New
    +4
    that in 1919 Adolf Hitler wanted to become a member of the German Socialist Party.

    British scientists? ... it’s easy to fantasize now ... and then they fucked up
    Germany was on the verge of collapse and Adolf accepted the ideology with a bang .... anyway, he would be a Nazi and this is logical .... it was necessary to unite the Germans ....
    1. NIKNN
      NIKNN 30 October 2017 14: 50 New
      +4
      Quote: himRa
      British scientists? ...

      laughing Oh, I have these British scientists .... tongue
      1. figwam
        figwam 30 October 2017 14: 56 New
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        If Hitler had been accepted then, he would not have grown into a person who gives orders. He would have remained in performing roles in the Socialist Party. He (Hitler) then did not show any leadership qualities

        If the FSA did not sponsor the Nazi party, then of course there would be no Hitler.
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 30 October 2017 14: 57 New
          +7
          Quote: figvam
          If the FSA did not sponsor the Nazi party, then of course there would be no Hitler.

          good Look at the root, dear! hi
          1. maxim947
            maxim947 30 October 2017 15: 06 New
            +3
            If it weren’t for the British, then there would have been no first or second world war, and many previous wars.
            1. Orionvit
              Orionvit 30 October 2017 15: 37 New
              +3
              There would be one, there would be another Hitler. The West needed such a figure, since the First World War did not solve all the acute problems of capitalism and the banking elite.
        2. NIKNN
          NIKNN 30 October 2017 15: 06 New
          +3
          Quote: figvam
          If the FSA did not sponsor the Nazi party, then of course there would be no Hitler.

          Sounds like the truth ...
        3. San Sanych
          San Sanych 30 October 2017 15: 25 New
          +2
          Quote: figvam
          If Hitler had been accepted then, he would not have grown into a person who gives orders. He would have remained in performing roles in the Socialist Party. He (Hitler) then did not show any leadership qualities

          If the FSA did not sponsor the Nazi party, then of course there would be no Hitler.

          That’s for sure, we can add that if there weren’t Great Britain, then there wouldn’t be USA hi and the world would be much calmer now bully
      2. Partyzan
        Partyzan 30 October 2017 14: 57 New
        +7
        Quote: NIKNN
        Oh, I have these British scientists ....

        English scientists believe that the myth of Santa Claus traveling on flying deers owes its appearance to the hallucinogenic mushrooms that the inhabitants of Lapland loved to indulge. It is known that the story about Santa Claus was born in Lapland, in the north of modern Finland. Lopars lived there, who, as scientists have learned, quite often drank the urine of deer, who ate mushrooms. In laboratory conditions, scientists obtained from these mushrooms the strongest hallucinogenic substance. No wonder, scientists say that flying deer seemed to be to the Lapps, which then turned into the legend of the good Santa Claus. The scientists explain the bright red robe of the New Year’s character by the color of the hallucinogenic mushroom. The red and white color of the fly agaric, turned in the inflamed imagination of people into an old man in a red caftan with a white beard.
        1. NIKNN
          NIKNN 30 October 2017 15: 17 New
          +3
          Quote: Partyzan
          In laboratory conditions, scientists obtained from these mushrooms the strongest hallucinogenic substance.

          No wonder that this discovery leads to more and more new discoveries by British scientists ... smile
        2. ARES623
          ARES623 30 October 2017 19: 54 New
          +2
          Quote: Partyzan
          Lopars lived there, who, as scientists have learned, quite often drank the urine of deer, who ate mushrooms. In laboratory conditions, scientists obtained from these mushrooms the strongest hallucinogenic substance. No wonder, scientists say that flying deer seemed to be to the Lapps,

          Interestingly, what do they drink in Jerusalem, that every year fire comes from heaven from them? Sure, not Cahors. I tried. Nothing but little polite and green ....
      3. Shura Perm
        Shura Perm 30 October 2017 15: 15 New
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        Of course, I knew that British scientists are lovers of crap .. but then they outdid themselves, history does not tolerate the subjugatory inclination ...
    2. Scoun
      Scoun 30 October 2017 15: 07 New
      +4
      Quote: himRa
      British scientists? ... it’s easy to fantasize now ... and then they fucked up

      No!!! They just turn a blind eye, it’s enough to remember the ziggling royal family, who then builds himself an innocent offended child ..
      1. Scoun
        Scoun 30 October 2017 15: 12 New
        +1
        And by the way, here is from Alex Jones infa .....
        Only signs change.
        1. Scoun
          Scoun 30 October 2017 15: 30 New
          +1
          Well, that would be completely Jones did not consider crazy freak))))

          The shameful secret of the English royal family Opinion of experts and analysts.
          expert.ru/2015/06/9/angliya/
          Edward VIII believed that the German bombs would force London to make peace with Nazi Germany and that in this way the Second World War could be stopped. The ruler of the United Kingdom and the British Empire, Edward VIII did not stay long - a little more than ten months. In December 1936, he abdicated to marry. ... in April 1936, i.e. While still on the throne, Edward VIII congratulated Hitler on his 47th birthday. He wished the Führer in a telegram happiness and prosperity. It is curious that this happened only a month after German troops entered the Rhine region, which, according to the Treaty of Versailles, was to remain a demilitarized zone
          1. himRa
            himRa 30 October 2017 16: 08 New
            +2
            In fairness ....
            It must be admitted that the national socialist and fascist ideas were strong at the beginning of the century and in the Republic of Ingushetia, for example, the All-Russian Fascist Party of 1914 winked
            1. 32363
              32363 30 October 2017 17: 52 New
              +1
              Quote: himRa
              In fairness ....
              It must be admitted that the national socialist and fascist ideas were strong at the beginning of the century and in the Republic of Ingushetia, for example, the All-Russian Fascist Party of 1914 winked

              about how, interestingly, I had not heard anything about this. good

            2. Freeman
              Freeman 30 October 2017 18: 15 New
              +4
              Quote: himRa
              In fairness ....
              It must be admitted that the national socialist and fascist ideas were strong at the beginning of the century and in the Republic of Ingushetia, for example, the All-Russian Fascist Party of 1914 winked

              Do not get fooled.
              The Russian Fascist Party (later the All-Russian Fascist Party), founded in 1931.
              This organization was based not in Germany, and not even in Europe - in China (in Harbin and in Manchuria, where a large Russian colony lived).
              Advertising poster of the WFTU song collection "To Victory!" - dated 1935.

              Source: Leonid Kryuchkov. Once again about the swastika and the greeting "From the heart to the sun"
              https://leykin-kr.livejournal.com/17890.html
              1. himRa
                himRa 30 October 2017 18: 24 New
                +3
                Quote: Freeman
                Do not get fooled.
                The Russian Fascist Party (later the All-Russian Fascist Party), founded in 1931.

                Thank you ... it seems you are right ... the date of 1914 also somehow confused me ...
                And I'm sorry to the honest public for the wrong information
            3. ALEA IACTA EST
              ALEA IACTA EST 30 October 2017 18: 28 New
              +1
              1914 year

              Mussolini is still an ordinary journalist, and Rodzayevsky goes to pitch under the table ...
              1. bnm.99
                bnm.99 30 October 2017 19: 14 New
                +1
                The rash shaving masters of turning the well-known historical facts inside out. In the spring of 1919, having returned to Munich after the WWII, Hitler really thought about a political career in some leftist party, and about horror - he even entered the Red Guard of the Bavarian Soviet Republic. But the republic was quickly defeated, Adolf did not manage to prove himself in something, therefore he was able to get out of the water dry when repressions against the participants of the kipazh began. But Hitler after all this in the leftists was disappointed, considering them weaklings. There is no evidence that Hitler was eager to become a member of the SPD / KKE, these are inventions of rash Brittas.
            4. Whitesnow
              Whitesnow 1 November 2017 21: 37 New
              0
              Seeing the pearl created by your sick psyche, on the Censor wept.
    3. stolz
      stolz 30 October 2017 15: 43 New
      +4
      In fact, history does not suffer a subjunctive mood, because we can say that if, in due time, Adolf Schicklgruber were admitted to the Vienna Academy of Art, then there would have been one more mediocre artist, but there would have been no Hitler.
  2. 32363
    32363 30 October 2017 14: 50 New
    +1
    so swastikas be afraid of being silent everywhere where possible. No.
    1. figwam
      figwam 30 October 2017 14: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: 32363
      so swastikas be afraid of being silent everywhere where possible. No.

      Because it is prohibited in Russia. The swastika demonstration is the propaganda of Nazism.
      1. 32363
        32363 30 October 2017 15: 03 New
        0
        Quote: figvam
        Quote: 32363
        so swastikas be afraid of being silent everywhere where possible. No.

        Because it is prohibited in Russia. The swastika demonstration is the propaganda of Nazism.

        the forbidden fruit attracts more than the available, IMHO .. this is wrong.
        in museums also cleaned in films?
        1. figwam
          figwam 30 October 2017 15: 05 New
          +2
          32363

          It cannot attract normal people.
          1. 32363
            32363 30 October 2017 15: 12 New
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            Quote: figvam
            32363

            It cannot attract normal people.

            I mean children, they will be attracted not only by access, but by what is closed ... the opposite effect will turn out.
            1. figwam
              figwam 30 October 2017 15: 45 New
              +1
              Quote: 32363

              I mean children, they will be attracted not only by access, but by what is closed ... the opposite effect will turn out.

              And how is it closed? The Internet has access for viewing, pictures, photos, videos so that even a child can make a conclusion and understand what the Nazis did.
      2. Orionvit
        Orionvit 30 October 2017 15: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: figvam
        Because it is prohibited in Russia in Russia

        Hitler came up with a swastika, or what? All of Russia before the revolution was in the swastika, India is still. Let's declare war on India for propagating the ideas of German Nazism. Hitler wore pants, now let's give up pants.
        1. figwam
          figwam 30 October 2017 16: 10 New
          +1
          Orionvit

          The fact is that before the revolution, and even before the start of the Second World War, they did not burn people in stoves under this sign, did not make soap and handbags from people, so the swastika did not cause any disgust. If this law does not suit you, contact the Constitutional Court with a complaint, if from the Outskirts, I sympathize with you, although a couple of years ago the Constitutional Court already answered - “As for the demonstration of Nazi and similar attributes, the Constitutional Court indicated that the ban its use is a measure aimed at counteracting Nazism, extremism, fascism and other actions that offend the memory of the victims of the Great Patriotic War and associated with the ideology of fascism. "
          Moreover, if you use the swastika not for propaganda purposes, but for example in hood / f, doc / f or in modern reconstruction of battles, this will not be propaganda and the ban on these actions does not apply.
  3. INVESTOR
    INVESTOR 30 October 2017 14: 51 New
    0
    If my grandmother had eggs, then she would be a grandfather. fellow
  4. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 30 October 2017 14: 52 New
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    If grandmother had eggs, then she would be grandfather! laughing
  5. tihon4uk
    tihon4uk 30 October 2017 14: 54 New
    +1
    I, too, are scientists. If there were no Anglo-Saxons, the world would have been, but order is calmer today.
  6. Slon_on
    Slon_on 30 October 2017 14: 56 New
    +3
    If the British Queen had Faberge, then it was the British King. Again they are trying to shout "if it were not for the socialists, then Hitler would be soft and fluffy" - ha ha ha. But if the holders of the Fed did not finance the possessed one, then World War 2 is unlikely to have taken place.
  7. padded jacket
    padded jacket 30 October 2017 14: 58 New
    +1
    In times gone then Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu Hitler justified now British scientists began to do so. A general craziness of some kind occurs as they say the world "gets upside down."
  8. Tired
    Tired 30 October 2017 15: 03 New
    0
    Fascism and its derivative in Germany - Nazism, was created by big capital in response to the growth of socialist and communist sentiments. Fascism is a club of capital turned to defeat the left movement. So, yes - if the left movement had not gained strength, then fascism would not have been needed.
  9. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 30 October 2017 15: 03 New
    0
    Hitler all Europeans and Americans kissed in all places of the breeches, while he expressed only anti-communist slogans. As soon as he needed resources and areas, then the war really began. The fact that the Nazis rose in the wake of revanchism, demanding (on an instinctive level) to smash the French and British first, democracies blinked.
  10. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 30 October 2017 15: 06 New
    +1
    British scientists were able to split 1 bit. laughing
    1. himRa
      himRa 30 October 2017 15: 12 New
      +3
      Quote: Gormengast
      British scientists were able to split 1 bit. laughing

      Well, yes ... the system is binary .... wassat
      But they divided into three
      1-be
      2-not to be
      3 maybe
  11. padded jacket
    padded jacket 30 October 2017 15: 10 New
    0
    About the role of England in provoking a world carnage.
    The Munich Agreement
  12. lance
    lance 30 October 2017 15: 11 New
    0
    with the same success it can be stated if it were not for the colonial doctrine of England in the 16th century the world would not have known when .... the extermination and enslavement of the local population in the colonies?
  13. Sergey53
    Sergey53 30 October 2017 15: 22 New
    0
    If it weren’t for the nationalists, they certainly wouldn’t.
  14. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 30 October 2017 15: 28 New
    +3
    Well yes. negative And if the Jewish professor had not rejected his watercolors
    (not bad, by the way) and Hitler would be admitted to the Vienna Academy
    bugs, then ... he would be an artist (or a teacher of painting)
    and would love Jews.
    In fact, Hitler returned from World War I with a well-formed
    beliefs and no "little things in life" could not turn him off
    crushing way.
    1. himRa
      himRa 30 October 2017 15: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      In fact, Hitler returned from World War I with a well-formed
      beliefs and no "little things in life" could not turn him off
      crushing way.

      I agree ....
      Moreover, after the beer coup, during his imprisonment, he wrote, Mein Kampf, 1929 ... parts of which he pronounced before the coup and checked the reaction of people ....
  15. wasjasibirjac
    wasjasibirjac 30 October 2017 18: 15 New
    +2
    and he was not accepted into the Austrian Academy of Art. maybe now we knew the famous landscape painter A. Hitler. not fused. but then in Germany there would be a chancellor with some other surname - Rem, Himler, or someone else. the result would be about the same.
    1. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 30 October 2017 19: 27 New
      0
      Without Hitler, the NSDAP would have remained a bunch of grunts from Hofbräuhaus.
  16. tank66
    tank66 30 October 2017 18: 55 New
    0
    And if only the mother of Adolfic had boiled her baby with boiling water, nobody would ask the socialists.
  17. Nemesis
    Nemesis 30 October 2017 20: 12 New
    +1
    And the English duke was a fan of Hitler because he was a monarch, or a socialist ?!
  18. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 30 October 2017 21: 28 New
    +1
    And if there had been no Britain, then socialism would not have appeared - there would have been no need. The world would live a lot calmer ...
  19. demo
    demo 31 October 2017 09: 11 New
    +2
    Let's continue the thought.
    If there were no Germany and Austria, then there would be no national socialism.
    Who is to blame?
    Russia which did not win in the First World War.
    Oh pa!
  20. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 31 October 2017 11: 04 New
    +1
    The quality of research by British scientists has already become a parable in languages. Hitler already had a socialist party and was called the national socialist German workers' party.
  21. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 31 October 2017 12: 43 New
    0
    He wanted to become a socialist like Mussolini.