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Roscosmos ordered the development of "orbital nuclear power plant"

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The Roscosmos State Corporation ordered the Arsenal Design Bureau to develop an “orbital nuclear power plant” capable of transmitting energy in space using a laser beam to recharge other satellites, according to News.


Roscosmos ordered the development of "orbital nuclear power plant"


Last year, another enterprise in the industry, the rocket and space corporation Energia, successfully conducted a ground-based experiment on the transmission of energy by laser over a distance of 1,5 km.

According to the technical assignment of Roskosmos, the St. Petersburg Arsenal design bureau should investigate possible options for using a spacecraft to solve problems of "directed energy transfer by laser radiation."

“To determine the options for the design look of the space complex and to enable it to be phased in, it is allowed to consider the levels of output power of a nuclear power plant from 100 kW to 1000 kW,” the document says.

The scientific director of the Space Policy Institute, Ivan Moiseev, considers the development of a “space NPP” to be unpromising, since its technical implementation is too complicated, and the applications are incomprehensible.

This is an old idea. I do not see any practical use for it, except for an experiment. What is simpler to put traditional solar batteries on the satellite or to provide mutual maneuvering of two devices to hold the laser beam?
said Moses.

According to him, "the loss of electricity when converting it into a light beam, and then back will be so great that the technology will be economically unprofitable."

Another expert - Corresponding Member of the Tsiolkovsky Russian Academy of Cosmonautics Andrei Ionin - considers the research of laser technologies in space promising.

Tests of the laser in space - the continuation of ideas on the transmission of solar energy from a satellite to the Earth by a laser beam. But if in the atmosphere such a beam is scattered, then in the cosmic vacuum there is practically nothing to interfere. This is a pretty interesting project. Nothing like this has yet been proposed, but it seems to me that these two topics - nuclear power and laser technology - need to be divided,
said jonin.

A successful experiment on the transmission of electricity using a laser beam had previously been conducted by the Energia rocket and space corporation. It was not possible to get a comment on her possible participation in the project entrusted to Arsenal Design Bureau.
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  1. bagr69
    bagr69 30 October 2017 08: 45 New
    +4
    This is already a real step towards a completely new stage in space exploration. Although there are skeptics, you need to work on large sources of energy in orbit, you won’t make much space porridge from solar panels.
    1. svp67
      svp67 30 October 2017 08: 48 New
      11
      Quote: bagr69
      This is already a real step towards a completely new stage in space exploration.

      Fact. If such a technology existed during Salute 7, the rescue expedition could have been carried out much faster ... And of course, exciting prospects. It remains only to "receivers" to supply our entire satellite constellation. That's when you can regret the lack of “Buran”. With its capabilities it would be possible to do an “upgrade” directly in orbit ...
      1. f4b2
        f4b2 30 October 2017 09: 21 New
        +5
        How is that? Salyut-7 disconnected the battery charging system. And give her at least a megawatt. What would change?
        1. svp67
          svp67 30 October 2017 09: 22 New
          +3
          Quote: f4b2
          Salyut-7 disconnected the battery charging system.

          Yes. But as soon as it was replaced, then with the help of such a station it would be possible to quickly charge the battery of the station, rather than wait a few days.
          1. himRa
            himRa 30 October 2017 13: 02 New
            +1
            Quote: svp67
            Yes. But as soon as it was replaced, then with the help of such a station it would be possible to quickly charge the battery of the station, rather than wait a few days

            If we talk about how it was .....
            They had the opportunity to power the station from their ship but ..... the guys were experienced and did not .... why? See the movie laughing
            1. svp67
              svp67 30 October 2017 13: 10 New
              +1
              Quote: himRa
              watch a movie

              Which one? If "Salute-7" ... then I am silent ... there is LITTER
              1. himRa
                himRa 30 October 2017 13: 40 New
                +2
                Quote: svp67
                Salute-7 "... then I am silent ... there is LITTER

                I didn’t explain the fault, I watched the documentary on the star ... but can be found on YouTube ... for example:
          2. f4b2
            f4b2 30 October 2017 14: 47 New
            0
            Charging speed did not play any role.
            Because the problems were not at all in this plane.
        2. just exp
          just exp 30 October 2017 09: 24 New
          +8
          Well, with a laser it will be possible for American satellites not only to turn off the batteries. there the satellites themselves will turn off.
          1. bulvas
            bulvas 30 October 2017 10: 27 New
            +3
            Quote: just EXPL
            Well, with a laser it will be possible for American satellites not only to turn off the batteries. there the satellites themselves will turn off.


            This is the main goal.
          2. NIKNN
            NIKNN 30 October 2017 10: 54 New
            +3
            Quote: just explo
            Well, with a laser it will be possible for American satellites not only to turn off the batteries. there the satellites themselves will turn off.

            Yes, they beautifully called the program "... on the transfer of energy using a laser ...", just forgot to add "... excess power to the enemy satellite, in order to neutralize it ...". laughing Or do we want a monopoly on electricity in space to establish and sell energy to everyone? ..., So the business is good ..., is it not Chubais’s chance idea? ... laughing
          3. svp67
            svp67 30 October 2017 13: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: just explo
            Well, with a laser it will be possible for American satellites not only to turn off the batteries. there the satellites themselves will turn off.

            Here you are, where are you climbing? There is nothing to strain the Americans ... Let them be "reassured"
        3. svp67
          svp67 30 October 2017 11: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: f4b2
          How is that? Salyut-7 disconnected the battery charging system. And give her at least a megawatt. What would change?

          And also, after replacing a failed unit, recharging in an accelerated manner from such a station.
      2. dik-nsk
        dik-nsk 30 October 2017 09: 21 New
        +5
        I see no practical use for it, except for experiment. What is easier, to put on the satellite traditional solar panels or to provide mutual maneuvering of two devices to hold the laser beam?
        the specialist knows better, only if the battle laser does not advance behind the screen of the nuclear power plant in space so as not to arouse “partners” - it’s kind of an agreement to ban the space
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 30 October 2017 09: 37 New
          +6
          I visited the same thought, so the expected cries of the USA on this subject are quite expected. yes
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 30 October 2017 11: 51 New
            +2
            "the expected cries of the United States about this" ////

            Americans will shout, of course, about violating the agreement on
            weapons in space ... But in fact, such a violation is beneficial to them.
            The United States has advanced in lasers, space shuttles, and reconnaissance from orbit
            much further than Russia.
            They sleep and see how to transfer missile defense into space.
            1. Jedi
              Jedi 30 October 2017 12: 20 New
              +4
              Your arguments look convincing. hi But I'm not inclined to run with screams, "Chef! The mustache is gone!". lol
        2. 7gor
          7gor 30 October 2017 18: 38 New
          +1
          Even with news, the question is
      3. Berkut24
        Berkut24 30 October 2017 10: 34 New
        +1
        If such a technology was possible during the Salute-7, the rescue expedition could be carried out much faster ...

        1) Such technologies in terms of the use of nuclear energy were in those days. Even at the time of my youth, the Canadians fell on the head came down from orbit a military satellite with a nuclear installation on board.
        2) My opinion about the transfer of energy with a double conversion of the beam is purely negative. The losses will indeed be significant, plus issues of mutual positioning of the donor and acceptor. I would consider options for either using small reactors in the form of removable cassettes, which will allow you to change not the entire satellite, but only its energy module, or based on the technology of existing maneuvering orbiting satellites, some kind of "flying refueling".
        Although I eventually create an opinion. that the new topic of Roscosmos is either a technological backlog to a new orbital station to get rid of solar battery mugs, or a backlog to the lunar program. And fairy tales about "cosmic rays" are informational noise for colleagues in space.
    2. Observer2014
      Observer2014 30 October 2017 08: 50 New
      +5
      bagr69
      This is already a real step towards a completely new stage in space exploration.
      Or star wars in Russian. Orbital "Status 6" bully
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 30 October 2017 08: 53 New
        +4
        Roscosmos State Corporation ordered the Arsenal design bureau to develop an “orbital nuclear power plant” capable of transmitting energy in space using a laser beam to recharge other satellites, Izvestia reported.
        and the "godfather" on a wheelbarrow, it will be possible to charge in frosts, through the "application" ... what
        1. himRa
          himRa 30 October 2017 09: 02 New
          +5
          Quote: Dead Day
          and the "godfather" on a wheelbarrow, it will be possible to charge in frosts, through the "application" ...

          Kaneshna! For your denyushka we will promise you anything!
          The scientific director of the Space Policy Institute, Ivan Moiseev, considers the development of a “space NPP” to be unpromising, since its technical implementation is too complicated, and the applications are incomprehensible.

          I agree, even without special calculations it’s clear ... example: they knew how to transmit electricity through a wireless channel back in Tesla’s time!
          1. Logall
            Logall 30 October 2017 09: 14 New
            +9
            Rahim hi
            Quote: himRa
            example: they knew how to transmit electricity through a wireless channel back in Tesla’s time!

            Tunguska meteorite?
            Many wrote off it ... So, the question is On safe use ...
            1. cost 75
              cost 75 30 October 2017 09: 38 New
              +1
              In extreme cases, you can drop it where necessary.
            2. himRa
              himRa 30 October 2017 10: 07 New
              +3
              Quote: Logall

              Tunguska meteorite?
              Many wrote off it ... So, the question is On safe use ...

              Alexander hi
              Tunguska meteorite from the category of ,, global conspiracy ,, laughing
              The resonance method, works on our ,, microwaves ,,
              The question is different .... if this is the reason? At the moment there are more mundane tasks to increase, return, from solar panels and not to output more power into space .... I don’t know where this information is from and what its usefulness is .. .
          2. Grandfather
            Grandfather 30 October 2017 09: 28 New
            +1
            Quote: himRa
            I agree, even without special calculations it’s clear ... example: they knew how to transmit electricity through a wireless channel back in Tesla’s time!

            Tunguska ??? (in the sense of "meteorite") belay
            1. himRa
              himRa 30 October 2017 10: 19 New
              +1
              Quote: Dead Day
              Tunguska ??? (in the sense of "meteorite")

              Already answered above hi
          3. Grandfather
            Grandfather 30 October 2017 09: 30 New
            +2
            Quote: himRa
            Kaneshna! For your denyushka we will promise you anything!

            capitalism .... oh ... there is no teperich help to the proletariat ... current from the congeners.
      2. 210ox
        210ox 30 October 2017 08: 54 New
        +4
        Well, with technology in the peaceful uses of nuclear energy, we are ahead of the rest. I think the main thing in this area is the control over the spending of funds. And there are smart heads ..
        1. Logall
          Logall 30 October 2017 09: 04 New
          11
          Quote: 210ox
          The main thing I think in this area is the control over the spending of funds.

          The smart ones will still find how to steal! I’m saying this as a power engineer! wink
          Seen enough am
          1. Grandfather
            Grandfather 30 October 2017 09: 42 New
            +1
            Quote: Logall
            The smart ones will still find how to steal! I’m saying this as a power engineer!
            Seen enough

            So are you an electrician, or did you see current how the wires are twisted? belay
        2. Grandfather
          Grandfather 30 October 2017 09: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: 210ox
          Well, with technology in the peaceful uses of nuclear energy, we are ahead of the rest

          Fukushima vs ...
        3. Grandfather
          Grandfather 30 October 2017 09: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: 210ox
          The main thing I think in this area is the control over the spending of funds. And there are smart heads ..

          I think there will be "smart heads" on how to appropriate all this ...
      3. Berber
        Berber 30 October 2017 09: 12 New
        +1
        If such a station is sent to the desired point on the earth, the noble woman will be.
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 30 October 2017 09: 34 New
          +2
          Quote: BerBer
          If such a station is sent to the desired point on the earth, the noble woman will be.

          but all the batteries will charge ...
      4. Vita vko
        Vita vko 30 October 2017 09: 12 New
        +2
        A competent response to the American concept of "instant global strike." Moreover, the answer is dual-purpose, it can recharge satellites, and maybe destroy. The development of promising nuclear rocket engines is also possible.
        And if the Americans are now screaming in their media, then this can be regarded as a successful passage of an independent audit of this project.
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 30 October 2017 09: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: Vita VKO
          the answer is dual-use, and satellites can recharge

          and at the grandson, you can charge a fucking helicopter so that it crashes the fuck? pokotsal already all flowers .... I think "stinger" to buy ...
          1. Mestny
            Mestny 30 October 2017 10: 11 New
            +1
            Magnetrons from a microwave oven to help. The network has the correct antenna calculations. It is quite possible to drive crazy not only a helicopter, but also a beautiful expensive audio system of a neighbor.
            1. Grandfather
              Grandfather 30 October 2017 10: 22 New
              0
              Quote: Mestny
              but also a beautiful expensive audio system neighbor.

              oh well I’ll put it down, I’ll come if I survive ... the priority neighbor ... goodbye ...
            2. Vita vko
              Vita vko 30 October 2017 10: 54 New
              +1
              Quote: Mestny
              beautiful expensive audio system neighbor

              along with the liver and its brain. We had such a warrant officer, “Kulibin,” he was assigned to warm the UHF in the clinic, and he decided to bask next to the PRV-13 altimeter, (1,5 GW per pulse) is also warm. Died a week later - the liver was boiled.
        2. Berber
          Berber 30 October 2017 09: 50 New
          +1
          Thank you for clearly showing the trend.
    3. stolz
      stolz 30 October 2017 08: 58 New
      +1
      The scientific director of the Space Policy Institute, Ivan Moiseev, considers the development of a “space NPP” to be unpromising, since its technical implementation is too complicated, and the applications are incomprehensible.

      But what a great opportunity to "cut the dough" allocated for these purposes!
      1. himRa
        himRa 30 October 2017 09: 13 New
        +3
        Quote: Stolz
        But what a great opportunity to "cut the dough" allocated for these purposes!

        You better know this .... according to your profile you are a government official .... take a chance and we will root for you laughing
        change the flag vrazhin ....
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 30 October 2017 09: 39 New
          +2
          Quote: himRa
          Quote: Stolz
          But what a great opportunity to "cut the dough" allocated for these purposes!

          You better know this .... according to your profile you are a government official .... take a chance and we will root for you laughing
          change the flag vrazhin ....

          yes, it’s necessary to change the face, our Andryukha, under such a “nickname”, is quite adequate. I’m vaabche, evo druk .. repeat
          1. himRa
            himRa 30 October 2017 10: 10 New
            +1
            Quote: Dead Day
            yes, it’s necessary to change the face, our Andryukha, under such a “nickname”, is quite adequate. I’m vaabche, evo druk ..

            I sent him in PM how to do it .... easy! And the flag will be Nashinsky laughing hi
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 30 October 2017 09: 59 New
      +1
      Solar energy is a free source. And in terms of efficiency, nothing has been invented better than natural photosynthesis.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 30 October 2017 12: 38 New
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        Solar energy is a free source. And in terms of efficiency, nothing has been invented better than natural photosynthesis.

        You’re wrong twice, firstly, solar electricity is very expensive, and secondly, the efficiency of photosynthesis is not more than 5 percent.
        1. dzvero
          dzvero 31 October 2017 12: 14 New
          0
          You are also not quite right. Solar energy is free; road due to converters. With photosynthesis, too, "not everything is so simple." If we consider the total luminous flux, then yes, 5% and below. If the coefficient of conversion of the energy of absorbed quanta into the energy of ATP and NADP.N / H + is already a little more than 50% (in theory, of course).
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 31 October 2017 12: 29 New
            +1
            Quote: dzvero
            Solar energy is free; road due to converters.

            Any energy is shareware.
            Quote: dzvero
            If we consider the total luminous flux, then yes, 5% and below.

            This is the efficiency of plants, the efficiency of solar panels is much higher and can reach 40% with satellites, but the price there is also cosmic.
    5. edge
      edge 31 October 2017 09: 25 New
      0
      Quote: bagr69
      This is already a real step towards a completely new stage in space exploration. Although there are skeptics, one needs to work on large sources of energy in orbit

      preparation for the creation of a self-sufficient satellite constellation, the deployment of an orbital station and the beginning of the development of near space
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 30 October 2017 08: 48 New
    0
    According to him, "the loss of electricity when converting it into a light beam, and then back will be so great that the technology will be economically unprofitable."

    Why on earth ... what in outer space, a laser energy stream is the same as a solar energy stream and it can also be used in conjunction with solar panels naturally after appropriate revision ... I don’t even understand this for a specialist.
    1. DenZ
      DenZ 30 October 2017 09: 05 New
      +3
      Well, I’m also not a specialist, but I understand that we are talking about energy losses during the process of converting email. energy into the energy of light and vice versa (that is, what will happen inside the satellites). The transfer of light energy itself can be without large losses (as Ionin says).
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 30 October 2017 10: 16 New
        +1
        The efficiency of the best CO2 lasers, for example, is about 40%. This is very good, especially taking into account the absence of the need for maneuvers in orbit - in order to transfer energy "in the traditional way it is necessary to get to the object, that is, to spend a difficult fuel resource.
        1. f4b2
          f4b2 30 October 2017 14: 51 New
          0
          Don’t look. what is the working fluid for these lasers.
          Well, to the heap. 100 kW of the original, 40% (and this is unrealistic so far in space) - in the beam.
          There are 60 watts left, which urgently need to be dissipated somewhere. And there is space. That is - only in radiation.
          Well, let's calculate the areas needed to dissipate such a flow of energy ... It will turn out completely sour.
          THAT is 100KW, as it were, but not always.
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 30 October 2017 08: 56 New
    +1
    They have been working on the idea of ​​transmitting electric energy over distances for a long time, and everyone is not too lazy ... there are no special results yet ... unless
    "Energy" - successfully conducted a ground-based experiment on the transfer of energy by a laser at a distance of 1,5 km.
    ... but 1,5 km, you see, very, very little ...
    1. DenZ
      DenZ 30 October 2017 09: 08 New
      0
      Quote: aszzz888
      ... but 1,5 km, you see, very, very little ...

      If it is not difficult to approach such a distance to charge satellites, I don’t see any problems. Nobody seemed to be going to dock.
      1. CT-55_11-9009
        CT-55_11-9009 30 October 2017 09: 15 New
        0
        Quote: DenZ
        If it is not difficult to approach such a distance to charge satellites, I don’t see any problems.

        Just come and difficult. Even if the orbits are very close, this results in a satellite’s normal fuel consumption, and there’s not much of it. Especially in cases of inaccurate withdrawal, when it is brought to the calculated orbit on its own. I am generally silent about satellites in highly elliptical orbits, they will have to switch from one orbit to another, and this is the time and high fuel consumption of the remote control.
      2. himRa
        himRa 30 October 2017 09: 18 New
        +4
        Quote: DenZ
        If it is not difficult to approach such a distance to charge satellites, I don’t see any problems. Nobody seemed to be going to dock.

        But why there .... taxied .... put a gun in the tank .... refueled laughing
        in orbit as well! simpler than turnip ...
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 30 October 2017 09: 47 New
          +3
          Quote: himRa
          But why there .... taxied .... inserted a gun into the tank ...

          Well, you're a maniac ... I, at least, ask for a name ...
    2. just exp
      just exp 30 October 2017 09: 26 New
      +1
      this is a ground-based experiment, in space conditions the scattering conditions are much less and there the losses will be less.
      Well, the range, respectively, is greater.
      1. prodi
        prodi 30 October 2017 09: 38 New
        0
        recharging in this form is needed mainly against crawling from orbit. Therefore, electric rocket engines are needed. Do they have satellites?
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        2. Mestny
          Mestny 30 October 2017 10: 21 New
          0
          For the operation of such an engine, you still need a "working fluid", the supply of which cannot be replenished in this way.
          1. prodi
            prodi 30 October 2017 15: 17 New
            0
            I agree, but still this is at least some solution
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 October 2017 08: 56 New
    +2
    If you did not dream and did not try to turn the project into reality, then technical innovations would appear very late.
  5. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 30 October 2017 08: 58 New
    0
    It looks like a cut. It would be better to force YaEDU "megawatt class". am
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 30 October 2017 09: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: Gormengast
      It looks like a cut.

      Sometimes it becomes interesting to me - in this world there is at least something unlike a cut? laughing
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 30 October 2017 09: 52 New
        +8
        Quote: Gray Brother
        Quote: Gormengast
        It looks like a cut.

        Sometimes it becomes interesting to me - in this world there is at least something unlike a cut? laughing

        100500 laughing
  6. pvv113
    pvv113 30 October 2017 09: 00 New
    +2
    The state-owned corporation Roscosmos ordered the design bureau Arsenal to develop an orbiting nuclear power plant

    And who after that dares to say that in Russia cabbage soup is slurping?
    1. cniza
      cniza 30 October 2017 09: 04 New
      +3
      As someone, of course, the United States will not even blush and will claim that we stole their development.
      1. pvv113
        pvv113 30 October 2017 09: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: cniza
        Like who, of course, USA

        I meant normal countries. And for these, the law is not written
        1. cniza
          cniza 30 October 2017 09: 19 New
          +3
          Well, they still have a lot of mongrels, they can raise a howl, though many already understand what's what.
          1. pvv113
            pvv113 30 October 2017 09: 30 New
            +3
            There are a lot of mongrels, some of which are sprats
            1. cniza
              cniza 30 October 2017 09: 41 New
              +2
              And the Poles, and our neighbors are horses, while there are many of them ... lol
              1. pvv113
                pvv113 30 October 2017 09: 48 New
                +2
                Unsinkable enough
              2. Grandfather
                Grandfather 30 October 2017 10: 15 New
                +2
                Quote: cniza
                And the Poles, and our neighbors are horses, while there are many of them ... lol

                shhhh. the Poles are our secret weapon ... our they ... "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpAKAr4fu
                T0
                1. Vladimir73
                  Vladimir73 30 October 2017 11: 52 New
                  0
                  good especially the director of the picture is cool! lol
                  1. just exp
                    just exp 31 October 2017 14: 35 New
                    +1
                    especially Maroussia was cool there, Paul Rax
                  2. just exp
                    just exp 31 October 2017 14: 37 New
                    0

                    she has a lot of photos
    2. vladimirvn
      vladimirvn 30 October 2017 09: 56 New
      +7
      Repost.
      The greatest atomic power of all time is the USSR.
      The greatest of the existing is Russia. No one is even nearby.
      1. Advanced enrichment technology is Russia. As well as enrichment volumes.
      2. Production of equipment for enrichment - this is Russia. Nobody can make such productive and economical gas centrifuges anywhere.
      3. Technology of fast neutron reactors is Russia. There is no one else.
      4. The technology of compact transport reactors on a liquid metal coolant is Russia.
      5. The full fuel cycle is Russia.
      6. SNF reprocessing (though not all reactors yet) - this is Russia.
      7. The production technology of MOX fuel - of course, Russia.
      8. Nuclear-powered icebreakers, floating nuclear power plants, space nuclear reactors - this is Russia.
      9. Radiochemistry and isotope production - this is Russia. Thanks to Russia for exploring Pluto and Uranus, since RTGs operate on Russian (still Soviet) plutonium. A third of US nuclear power plants use Russian lithium-7. Without Russia, there will be no electricity in the United States.
      10. Even after the US eltsinoid donation of 500 tons of enriched uranium, the reserves of undivided weapons-grade uranium in Russia are three times greater than in the United States, and plutonium is doubled.
      11. No one wondered why Westinghouse TVELs bend and swell in Soviet reactors? Because Soviet-Russian reactors use a denser arrangement of fuel assemblies in the reactor volume. American crafts do not withstand extreme neutron fields.

      Russia is a peaceful and military atom. And the US invented the iPhone.
      1. pvv113
        pvv113 30 October 2017 10: 04 New
        +4
        Good selection of facts! thank
        1. vladimirvn
          vladimirvn 30 October 2017 10: 55 New
          +2
          Not mine. But also liked it. laughing
          1. pvv113
            pvv113 30 October 2017 13: 36 New
            0
            Nevertheless, thanks again! hi
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 30 October 2017 12: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: vladimirvn
        Russia is a peaceful and military atom. And the US invented the iPhone.

        In fairness, I must say - a mobile phone - the USSR also invented this.
  7. faiver
    faiver 30 October 2017 09: 00 New
    +2
    Well, not the fact that the official goal is real ...
    1. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 30 October 2017 09: 16 New
      +1
      Shhh! "Chatterbox - a find for the spy!"
      1. faiver
        faiver 30 October 2017 10: 43 New
        0
        silent, silent ... soldier
  8. askort154
    askort154 30 October 2017 09: 24 New
    +4
    Somewhere, an article on the topic of nuclear power plants has already come across. There her task was described a little differently.
    The main goal of the station is to recharge the satellites of the "inspectors", who will approach and inspect the technical condition of other satellites, making adjustments to their program, etc.
    Another type is fighter satellites, which will perform the same actions, but for defense purposes (rapprochement, hacking of the program, or complete destruction of the enemy’s satellite).
    Good ideas. And if, sitting doing nothing, afraid of "cuts", then you do not need to go to the forest, there may be wolves. yes
  9. stolz
    stolz 30 October 2017 09: 24 New
    0
    Quote: himRa
    Quote: Stolz
    But what a great opportunity to "cut the dough" allocated for these purposes!

    You better know this .... according to your profile you are a government official .... take a chance and we will root for you laughing
    change the flag vrazhin ....

    That in the morning the dry land torments and wants to mingle? This is not for me, I'm busy.
  10. f4b2
    f4b2 30 October 2017 09: 29 New
    0
    Complete nonsense.
    Laser efficiency multiplied by the efficiency of a thermonuclear reactor, plus the most complex stabilization systems and the relative position of the spacecraft ...
    Which also eat fuel, and weigh a lot.
    On the ISS, for example, you need more than 100 kW. Taking into account the efficiency, we should, it turns out, send a battle laser towards the ISS?
    1. Igor V
      Igor V 30 October 2017 09: 58 New
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      So on Monday morning, turn on the tablet and find out that fusion reactors at nuclear power plants are already working! belay
  11. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 30 October 2017 09: 46 New
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    Cut it or not cut - time will tell. But thinking about something and striving for new developments is right. And let the efficiency of the designed installation now wish for the best - nothing, the Wright brothers also didn’t fly very far at first, but you know, now we fly through the oceans ...
  12. anjey
    anjey 30 October 2017 10: 00 New
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    The scientific director of the Space Policy Institute, Ivan Moiseev, considers the development of a “space NPP” to be unpromising, since its technical implementation is too complicated, and the applications are incomprehensible.
    so it’s not clear, the dual purpose is a good orbital weapon, it is possible to land unplanned on the ground, in the Washington area of ​​the capitol for example ...
  13. Victor N
    Victor N 30 October 2017 10: 10 New
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    These are very high technologies! Glory to Russian science!
  14. gorunov
    gorunov 30 October 2017 10: 10 New
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    If desired, it will be possible to burn the enemy satellite (or its nodes)
  15. bk316
    bk316 30 October 2017 10: 49 New
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    I do not believe double conversion will eat efficiency.
    But I believe in a combat laser in orbit, this is not a PR hype about ground devices. There is no atmosphere - no losses - range - line of sight - but there is no horizon. Well, and powered by the reactor, this is not for you from the diesel engine. In addition, it is not necessary to burn through the armor; armored solar panels have not yet been invented.
  16. prosmil
    prosmil 30 October 2017 11: 47 New
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    I don’t know how about recharging, but a nuclear reactor with a laser beam pulls the first space battleship - at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eelDSHzRBBM
  17. Ronino
    Ronino 30 October 2017 12: 11 New
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    cool idea!
    it’s possible by mistake, to send energy to the wrong satellite ...
  18. Former battalion commander
    Former battalion commander 30 October 2017 12: 19 New
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    The only reasonable purpose of a nuclear power plant in orbit is military. We take an atomic power station plus a powerful laser and “transmit the energy of laser radiation” to the satellite, but of course not our own, but a “probable adversary”. A very timely task, and the sooner it is solved, the we will all be calmer.
  19. Stoler
    Stoler 30 October 2017 12: 19 New
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    It's kinda scary request When a nuclear reactor flies over your head negative
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  21. 1536
    1536 30 October 2017 18: 17 New
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    Everything new and promising, even if someone does not understand, has a place to be. But the “zvvlaby” of various research institutes, who were late in due time to hurt the pie, would be better off doing business. And for the reactors in space - the future, because Humanity has not yet come up with anything more promising.
  22. gridasov
    gridasov 30 October 2017 22: 50 New
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    To solve the problem, namely the creation of a power plant, it is worth moving away from established principles and creating dynamic principle nuclear reactors. In such a reactor, a process of highly dynamic outflow of a highly ionizing outflow surface of a substance is created. In this case, the outflow surface is represented by weakly radioactive or non-radioactive material at all. A reactor in one housing is an alternating magnetic field generator. I will not describe the essence of the processes themselves, and moreover we will not describe the algorithms of successive stages in such a device. In this case, the source of the laser beam may be a non-magnetic pulse created as a specific technological “breakdown” of high-potential electronic. magnetic circuit and then transformed on a crystal. a sonoluminescent process in a hydrodynamic flow. Such a reactor is very simple to manufacture and does not require radioactive insulating bodies, since all processes occur inside the structure of the stream itself, which is itself the limiter of radioactive radiation. . The processes in such a reactor are completely controllable from the very initial stages and processes.
    In the development of space technology, there is no development path for low-potential physical processes. Therefore, it is necessary to develop high-potential physical processes with fundamentally new approaches for solving the problems posed. Now no one is able to offer anything reasonable and with great potential for research and development prospects other than what we are able to offer. All success!
  23. gridasov
    gridasov 30 October 2017 23: 10 New
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    To create a stable laser beam, it is more efficient to use sonoluminescent high potential processes occurring as derivatives of the transformation of nuclear reactions in the flow material. A very important element is not even the potential energy extracted, but also the geometric parameters of the part of the flux from which this high potential light flux is extracted. Why? Because any light flux, like any electronic process of transmitting a disturbance impulse to a distance, occurs according to algorithms. This means that the flow extracted from the "annular space" is mathematically justified. Then the algorithms on the ring can be modeled and transformed in a linear vector as “jets” that prevent scattering processes. To better imagine this, remember how you can provide a steady stream of water flow so that it does not disperse. It must be connected through jets, but according to algorithms in order to minimize the scattering processes. In fact, technology and mathematical justification is not very complicated and the source of such a solution lies in the "Pharaohs problem"
    1. Falcon5555
      Falcon5555 31 October 2017 12: 40 New
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      Gridasov, you have not yet figured out the fractals of nuclear potentials, but have already taken up the cosmological transformations of the annular space. Not good! You still have to study, study, and study. Learning is light. Therefore, catch any light flux, both with a linear and perpendicular vector of scattering processes.
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 31 October 2017 17: 21 New
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        Just so, we figured out how mathematically it is possible to describe fractal structures not only in full, but also in the dynamics of their transformations. As for studying and studying, I agree with you.
        I wonder how you will react to that. that it’s possible that I’m the only one who came into contact with alien technology as an engineer and as a physicist. I saw that, and most importantly I understand their system of perception and response to physical processes. By the way, they are very close through understanding by our logic. And not any miracles and fantasies. At the same time, I am trying to determine for myself what is the key element for a person to move to a new stage of his evolutionary development. In my opinion the answer is found. This is a simple, but using the expanded potential of the human brain technique, which, as Einstein said, the main thing in a scientist is not knowledge, but his imagination. This is a technique that changes logic, which means that it is mathematics based on the use of a function of a constant value of a number.
        1. Falcon5555
          Falcon5555 1 November 2017 01: 53 New
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          Gradasov, fractal structures do not transform in their dynamics, but are transposed into their reflection in the expanded potential of hyperstrings. So drive your aliens to a vigorous hair dryer!
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 1 November 2017 10: 36 New
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            Yes, you have no idea what fractal dynamic structures are and what their transformation by algorithms is! And in general, that you build yourself a connoisseur of your brains and answer the question of how to get negative stress in solid material and, in general, control the stress vector. In this case, the vector EMF in its vector. Or remember Tesla and the task set by him not to create pressure in the local space, but to extract the "drain". In this case, the work itself will be performed by the environment itself with its own vector of space filling. And such a process is orders of magnitude more effective than all that a person uses now.
  24. gromoboj
    gromoboj 31 October 2017 03: 37 New
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    Quote: bagr69
    This is already a real step towards a completely new stage in space exploration. Although there are skeptics, you need to work on large sources of energy in orbit, you won’t make much space porridge from solar panels.

    A screech will be to heaven. Theoretically, this is a nuclear weapon in space.
  25. Hort
    Hort 31 October 2017 12: 05 New
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    it seems that it is forbidden by the Treaty to place all kinds of nuclear pieces in orbit? How are they going to get around this?
  26. Fkjydjckfrgh
    Fkjydjckfrgh 31 October 2017 14: 04 New
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    Quote: NIKNN
    Quote: just explo
    Well, with a laser it will be possible for American satellites not only to turn off the batteries. there the satellites themselves will turn off.

    Yes, they beautifully called the program "... on the transfer of energy using a laser ...", just forgot to add "... excess power to the enemy satellite, in order to neutralize it ...". laughing Or do we want a monopoly on electricity in space to establish and sell energy to everyone? ..., So the business is good ..., is it not Chubais’s chance idea? ... laughing

    Most likely, if they wanted to transmit energy, they would use a microwave beam, because conversion loss below.
  27. earloop
    earloop 31 October 2017 23: 19 New
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    The period of Ivan's long labor inactivity has ended: - to take up the new. hard and unusual!