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The United States is actively exploring the possibility of arms supplies to Ukraine, Volker said

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The White House is actively considering the possibility of delivering lethal weapons to Kiev, reports TASS Statement by US Special Representative for Ukraine Kurt Volcker.




In this case, Volker presented the matter in such a way that this question does not belong to the category of sharp controversy.

No one is worried about anyone's self-defense, unless that party is the aggressor, so this question should not be controversial,
he said.

Speaking about his talks with Russian presidential aide Vladislav Surkov in Belgrade, which took place on October 7, the diplomat called them constructive, but without any breakthrough.

What we do is find out if we can work out some general ideas about how peacekeeping forces can be useful in terms of resolving the conflict (in the Donbas)
reported Walker.

According to him, such forces can be effective only if they have “a more powerful mandate than Moscow suggests.”

The real question is Russia’s making decisions
he noted, once again repeating the traditional accusations of the West against the Russian Federation, which allegedly maintains the conflict in the east of Ukraine.

In addition, Volker expressed the hope that Moscow in the light of the release from punishment of the leaders of the “Majlis of the Crimean Tatar people” banned in the Russian Federation, Ahtem Chiygoz and Ilmi Umerov, will take steps to help overcome the Ukrainian conflict.

The fact that they were released is a small positive sign. This is the kind of thing that gives hope that Russia will develop it with some other steps towards Donbass,
said an American diplomat.
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  1. Primoos
    Primoos 29 October 2017 10: 10 New
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    And I will supply. And they’re already delivering it to Tihari. The scoundrel is all to face.
    1. Logall
      Logall 29 October 2017 10: 20 New
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      Starmen will do anything to draw Russia into an armed conflict! And in order to do this, it is necessary to ensure a clear preponderance of forces in the direction of vsu!
      1. Partyzan
        Partyzan 29 October 2017 10: 29 New
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        Quote: Logall
        And in order to do this, it is necessary to ensure a clear preponderance of forces in the direction of vsu!

        1. Arzoo
          Arzoo 29 October 2017 13: 38 New
          +1
          What do they put the Ukrainians? ATGM? Humvee? A couple of Abrams (Ukrainians do not have enough money for more). Yes, let them deliver, it won’t do much weather. But our air defense in North Korea and Iran, will throw mattresses on the fan.
          1. Nait
            Nait 30 October 2017 08: 12 New
            0
            C300 was sold to Iran, while in the DPRK, junk is not known in what condition.
        2. Tatyana
          Tatyana 29 October 2017 13: 48 New
          +2
          You need to understand who Volker is, what goals he achieves and what he has already achieved.
          The appointment of Walker as the US representative to Ukraine is the surrender of Trump's presidential powers to the US Senate. Therefore, Walker is not fixated on Rex Tillerson. Walker has an independent direct exit: 1) to President Trump, and 2) an independent separate exit to senators - in particular, the Foreign Affairs Committee and the Defense Committee.
          Walker is a member of the Republican Party's hawkish wing, close to Senators John McCain, Rob Portman, and Bob Corker.
          Volcker is first and foremost faithful to himself.
          Volcker first scout, and then a diplomat.
          The Walker task includes:
          1) give a real cut of information about events in Ukraine separately for Trump and separately for senators;
          2) to contact directly with the Ukrainian intelligence services - it is another link between the American intelligence community and Ukrainian intelligence;
          3) reformat the current Norman format for the participation of America and quickly agree on a settlement of the situation in the Donbass with the involvement of the United States, pushing Russia aside;
          4) lobbying for the provision of lethal weapons to Ukraine.
          It seems that Walker has already successfully completed the first two tasks and proceeded to solving the 3rd and then to the 4th task.
          In general, nothing has historically changed on the part of the US colonial-aggressive foreign policy regarding the strategy of US intervention in other countries - everything is as always.
          All to the complete ruins of Ukraine as a result of the intensification of the civil war in the country and the continuation of the Russian GENOCIDE.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 29 October 2017 13: 55 New
            +1
            It would be nice to remember why the US needed the Russian GENOCIDE in Ukraine and how and why exactly this confrontation between the South-East of Ukraine and the Kiev junta generally began in 2014. They hardly remember this now, but they will definitely return to this later.
            It was openly discussed in 2013-2014, in particular, about the US gas interests in Ukraine in the person of representatives of American, Polish and Ukrainian private business. And DLN and LNR in the south-east of Ukraine are located just above the large Yuzovsky shale gas and oil field, discovered and not developed since the Soviet era.
            People in the world community understood that the conflict in Ukraine is, by and large, a war of the USA with the Russian Federation and with the EU countries, primarily for this Yuzovskoye oil and gas field.
            Therefore:
            1. The interethnic conflict in Ukraine was provoked by the United States and EU countries for the physical destruction of people in the areas of extraction of shale gas by Americans and Poles. The Russian population then was not quite what it was. People of other nationalities would live here, they would find fault with people of other nationalities. The peoples of Ukraine would be divided, if not by language, then by eyes, ears, etc.
            2. Pay Ukraine and Ukrainians any compensation for the fact that part of their territory as a result of parasitism of Americans and other foreigners in Ukraine will fall into environmental disaster and humanitarian disaster and in fact just drop out of people's places of residence, no one is going to and will not be.
            3. In order to reduce the degree of future social problems in Ukraine and “observe” the future “face” in the eyes of the world community, Americans, who own the lion's share of the shale business in Ukraine, are interested in absolutely destroying the entire population in the cities above the Yuzovskoye field and the surrounding towns. Which, according to the plan of the Americans, must be destroyed by military means, including women and children according to the principle "There is no man - and there are no problems!"
            TOTAL Therefore, even for the sake of the prosperity of American business in Ukraine, all cities and towns above the Yuzovskoye gas field and near it, according to the plans of the Americans, should have been erased by the National Army of Ukraine from the face of the Earth. What is being done.
            Any political negotiations on the topic of stopping the bloodshed in the South-East of Ukraine from the United States and NATO countries will be futile. And the agreement on them from the United States and the like is just a bluff.
            See in detail - https://topwar.ru/52987-kakuyu-zadachu-reshaet-am
            erika.html
            1. Normal ok
              Normal ok 29 October 2017 16: 31 New
              +1
              Quote: Tatiana
              how and why exactly this confrontation between the South-East of Ukraine and the Kiev junta generally began in the 2014 year.

              The answer to this question has been repeatedly voiced by Strelkov. The war began with his intervention in the internal affairs of Ukraine. He directly states on TV that if it weren’t for him with the volunteers, then it would all have ended in the summer of 2014.
          2. Partyzan
            Partyzan 29 October 2017 17: 01 New
            +5
            Quote: Tatiana
            Walker - representative of the hawkish wing in the Republican Party,

            well - chicken is also a bird
      2. Ivan Ivanov
        Ivan Ivanov 29 October 2017 15: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: Logall
        Starmen will do anything to draw Russia into an armed conflict!

        All they needed was done, they created an anti-Russian enclave, eternal hemorrhagic, now they pump it up. it was necessary to take control of the southeast at 14m, they would stop the war. lacked the strength / determination of their and southeastern elites, the entire industry created by generations of Soviet people (Yuzhmash Motorsich Kharkov tank, Antonov, etc.), the ghouls got now partly collapsed, partly actively participating in defense orders.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 29 October 2017 10: 24 New
      +8
      I’m generally surprised why this has not been done at the official level. And yet. If our business swallows and says nothing, and doesn’t make a decision OFFICIALLY EXIT the MUNICIPAL (READ THE MINSK) CONSPIRATION AND DO NOT ENTER REALLY PEACEKEEPERS AND NOT WRITTEN ON THE PAPER .. really show "what it is worth." We with zeal are defending our interests in Syria (but by and large there are geopolitics and the interests of commodity companies) .. But in the Donbass there are just people .. Read the statistics ..
      1. Logall
        Logall 29 October 2017 10: 30 New
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        Dmitry, welcome! hi
        Read the `` tricky plan '' ... Although, he already got sick of it, they smoked! But I think that they are waiting for the gas pipelines to be built ... Otherwise, it will have to be frozen, sanctions ...
        So here Geopolitics, the interests of commodity companies ...
        Pipe them all over Europe!
        1. 210ox
          210ox 29 October 2017 10: 40 New
          +4
          Alexander hi I may have expressed myself emotionally .. But nevertheless. There are just our people .. And the fact that maybe the time has not come, so it will not come, is quite possible if you wait and play in silence ..
          Quote: Logall
          Dmitry, welcome! hi
          Read the `` tricky plan '' ... Although, he already got sick of it, they smoked! But I think that they are waiting for the gas pipelines to be built ... Otherwise, it will have to be frozen, sanctions ...
          So here Geopolitics, the interests of commodity companies ...
          Pipe them all over Europe!
          1. Logall
            Logall 29 October 2017 10: 48 New
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            Still have to wait! Well, if, after the construction of the gas pipelines, the situation does not change, then I personally will go to Red Square with photographs of the dead children and a banner with the inscription: “Putin, smoke your own '' tricky plan! '' ''
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 29 October 2017 11: 40 New
              +7
              Privet Sash! Only do not take anyone with you. A single picket is not punishable.
              1. Logall
                Logall 29 October 2017 11: 43 New
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                Hello Slavik!
                Thanks for the tip hi ! And then I was going to recruit Solomon, not far from living ... drinks
            2. Douel
              Douel 29 October 2017 13: 25 New
              +1
              Can I also stand on the other side of the square?

              Unfortunately I have to feel it, as if I didn’t want to.
      2. Partyzan
        Partyzan 29 October 2017 10: 31 New
        +7
        Quote: 210ox
        And in the Donbass, just people .. Read the statistics ..

        this question is very slippery, not the time for him hi
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 29 October 2017 12: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: Partyzan
          no time for him


          Hey. When the sun rises, the dew will already do its job. People are dying on this and the other side of the confrontation. Bandera is outraged with the consent and support of Kiev "hetmanism."

          And stop these massacres in the hands of politicians. That's how they agree, bargain, so it will or will not. One can be indignant, indignant at VO, but nothing will change from this on the "Western Front". My IMHO - it is necessary to recognize the LPR and the DPR and hold elections in the republics on their own constitutions. Yes, it will be the status of the PMR, South Ossetia and Abkhazia, but it is better than today. yes
          1. Partyzan
            Partyzan 29 October 2017 17: 04 New
            +5
            Quote: Lelek
            And stop these massacres in the hands of politicians. That's how they agree, bargain, so it will or will not. One can be indignant, indignant at VO, but nothing will change from this on the "Western Front". My IMHO - it is necessary to recognize the LPR and the DPR and hold elections in the republics on their own constitutions. Yes, it will be the status of the PMR, South Ossetia and Abkhazia, but it is better than today.

            your words - yes, to God’s ears, sanctions and so on, and I think they’ll no longer introduce hi
    3. Contra-M
      Contra-M 29 October 2017 10: 33 New
      +4
      Well put, but what's the point ..?
      They have no fighting spirit and ideas .. Farm psychology is now in Ukraine!
      For seba and my hut I will hide
      Here in the Donbass there is something to fight for and they are fighting well!
      1. Solomon Kane
        Solomon Kane 29 October 2017 10: 45 New
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        Everyone who proudly wore the Komsomol badge,
        Happy holiday, Lenin Komsomol !!!!

        1. Logall
          Logall 29 October 2017 10: 53 New
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          Kostya, Greetings!
          Such a banner needs to be sent to Ukraine! All of their government walked with a red tie.
          But I did not have time. Even in October! At 91 I went to school. I, in this forum, the campaign is the youngest ...
          1. Contra-M
            Contra-M 29 October 2017 12: 56 New
            +2
            Quote: Logall
            Kostya, Greetings!
            Such a banner needs to be sent to Ukraine! All of their government walked with a red tie.
            But I did not have time. Even in October! At 91 I went to school. I, in this forum, the campaign is the youngest ...

            Taki yes a poet, but you argue on our ..! soldier
            I listened to your songs about Kolyma, etc.
        2. Partyzan
          Partyzan 29 October 2017 17: 06 New
          +5
          Quote: Solomon Kane
          Everyone who proudly wore the Komsomol badge,
          Happy holiday, Lenin Komsomol !!!!

          Kostya hi Yes, there are more than half of these - they’ll enter the Komsomol, then they’ll go to ...... hi I am among them
      2. 210ox
        210ox 29 October 2017 10: 48 New
        +5
        Vitaly, I can disagree about the spirit. Let’s recall the Wehrmacht .. Didn’t they have the spirit? And why did they kill us? In the name of ideology. The same thing is in banderlogs now. They have a purpose and ideology. What vile it is not would be. So if ordered, there is a spirit. It's a shame that we have no ideology. By the way, with a holiday. Komsomol Day today hi
        1. Contra-M
          Contra-M 29 October 2017 13: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: 210ox
          Vitaly, I can disagree about the spirit. Let's remember the Wehrmacht ..

          Well, I remembered ...
          https://youtu.be/pxOlT-nf_94
          Quote: 210ox
          And why did they kill us?

          For our SPIRIT and perseverance, and we are Russians for justice all over the world!
          Now the West is spreading rotn once again .. Get on your knees Russia and immediately invest in your mouth ..)))
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 29 October 2017 11: 00 New
      0
      If you wanted to, would have set it long ago.
      1. Contra-M
        Contra-M 29 October 2017 11: 39 New
        +4
        Quote: siberalt
        If you wanted to, would have set it long ago.

        The US needs a massacre of Ukrainians and Russians ... It doesn’t work out yet!
        And the supply of weapons to Kiev rests on this for now .. bully

        If hostilities begin (which is unlikely), the flow will flow immediately ...
        But Russia is controlling it all intensely ..
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 29 October 2017 14: 06 New
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        Quote: siberalt
        If you wanted to, would have set it long ago.

        Not a fact .... They see how "monolithic" this army is and how "high" the level of control and discipline is in it. That surge of patriotism, which was observed in 2014-2015. practically came to naught, with the exception of 100 -150 thousand especially stubborn. To swarm weapons there, without confidence that tomorrow these weapons will not be deployed against the junta, they will not. Yes, and the GDP here has recently made a reservation that in this case, weapons and protest movements may arise in some other areas ... They think ...
  2. RASKAT
    RASKAT 29 October 2017 10: 12 New
    +3
    And what Ukrainians will pay you (the Americans)? They are in debt like silk, the next year they should have the first payments on the first tranches, plus the old gas contracts for transit to Europe end in the same year. Well, if only again some sort of cheap trash, such as the Saxons, the Americans will steal them. Just to get rid of beggars. Or will they feed breakfast for another years so TSAT ..
    It’s even funny sometimes. laughing
    1. Primoos
      Primoos 29 October 2017 10: 20 New
      +6
      Svidomity will pay overseas ghouls will be Russian blood.
    2. svp67
      svp67 29 October 2017 10: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: RASKAT
      And what Ukrainians will pay you (the Americans)?

      Life.
    3. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 29 October 2017 11: 01 New
      +2
      Ukr-svidomye rulers of Little Russia will pay the land and the blood of the people living on this earth ... Russian land and Russian blood ..
  3. Teberii
    Teberii 29 October 2017 10: 13 New
    +3
    Arms APU-WORLD Donbas. Amazing logic.
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 29 October 2017 10: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: Teberii
      Arms APU-WORLD Donbas. Amazing logic.

      What surprises you? After the establishment of democracy in Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya, another is expected from them, it is harmful to one's health.
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 29 October 2017 10: 13 New
    +1
    Walker expressed the hope that Moscow, in light of the release from punishment of the leaders of the “Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people” banned in the Russian Federation, Akhtem Chiygoz and Ilmi Umerov, will take steps to help overcome the Ukrainian conflict.


    And what in return was given to Moscow ... again a donut hole ...

    it seems that the Kremlin is being bred as suckers are being bred by scammers.
    The walker is clearly a scam ... it remains to observe he he he only goodwill
    Moscow once losing ground.
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 29 October 2017 10: 46 New
      +2
      They were not given as a result of pressure. But how repayment of debt. Erdogan sent to Tajikistan, a glove cutter of Russian origin, but with a Tajik passport. They gave it to ours.
      https://www.newsru.com/world/23oct2017/khisamov.h
      tml
      In addition, the Syrian pilot MIG-21 was shot down by the Turks ... EMNIP in 15g.
      So no one is inferior to the positions, there is a usual bargaining.
  5. Lganhi
    Lganhi 29 October 2017 10: 16 New
    +1
    Well, yes, they SELL 500 RPG-7 pots, and Poroshenko and Svidomo will scream that "Omerika helps us!" And in general, "all the worlds" wassat
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 29 October 2017 12: 24 New
      0
      Quote: Lgankhi
      Poroshenko and Svidomo will scream that "Omerika helps us!"


      Poroshenko owns 104 companies from confectionery factories to the media. What do you think, how many “Pinens” will the Ukrainian treasury help out by nationalizing these hetman assets?
  6. Settlement Oparyshev
    Settlement Oparyshev 29 October 2017 10: 18 New
    0
    The Americans know something that we don’t know and systematically lead the situation to what they planned. The main thing is not to follow the rams behind them, but to preventively disarm the scoundrels.
  7. 1536
    1536 29 October 2017 10: 19 New
    +2
    Another Goodwin - Great and Terrible arrived with a flea market. Only now, instead of cookies, I brought anti-tank systems, a parasite. Oh, the United States will come back with a new civil war for extermination on their territory. God, he sees everything, and although there is no cross on the Americans, they will receive in full from the returning boomerang, which they launched, the time will come.
  8. Yoshi
    Yoshi 29 October 2017 10: 24 New
    +1
    "Supplies" are not gifts. The scheme is this: credit is issued by Americans, and in miraculous cases, "help" is irrevocable in money. Then, the company of the United States is indicated, which will throw in pieces of iron or rags (IWT or security equipment) for the allocated money. Thus, the United States finances its defense industry. At the same time, in Ukraine the direction of the defense industry, which has been "helped", is dying. Then the pieces of iron are spent (getting old) and they need to be changed according to the same scheme, since their specialists are already at the factories of Russia or at the dachas (pension), and new buildings are standing on the site of the plant ...

    Thus, this is a scheme for weakening the defense industry and the "short leash" of the Americans: they will not start to twitch ...
  9. Masya masya
    Masya masya 29 October 2017 10: 26 New
    +6
    The White House is actively considering the possibility of delivering lethal weapons to Kiev,

    Today it’s active, tomorrow it’s passive ... still only used ... with a black sheep, at least a tuft of wool ...
  10. ARES623
    ARES623 29 October 2017 10: 31 New
    +4
    Kurt Walker is an experienced intelligence officer and diplomat. But in one of his interviews he also managed to talk about the main task of the USA not to Ukraine. This is the mastery of control over the territory of Ukraine. Everything else is subordinated to this goal. Having created impossible living conditions in this territory, the USA solves this problem by clearing the territory of the population. Who will strive to make plans for living in a country in which there is an endless war, periodic mobilization, roving gangs of crazy Nazi bandits? In this case, the presence of LDNR poses certain risks of the spread of the protest movement. And the United States perceives these risks precisely as its own, and not for the Ukrainian leadership. Indians, in general, are not interested in them. In this context, the decision to supply arms to Ukraine is most dependent on what Russia will answer. If Putin is squeezed into a corner, he can recognize LDNR as independent subjects of international law (like Abkhazia and South Ossetia) and conclude official military assistance agreements with them. And then an avalanche-like increase in separatism in the territories bordering with the LDP of the LPR will happen, which will create even greater problems for the United States. Therefore, Surkov and Walker can still meet repeatedly, but the probability of a positive decision in Ukraine tends to zero. The Americans and I have completely opposite tasks in this territory. Only war can solve them ...
    1. polpot
      polpot 29 October 2017 11: 30 New
      +1
      Don’t be offended now, it’s not the 19th century that serious war elites don’t need micro-conflicts, you can enjoy it and it’s very convenient to have citizens in tension and have a lot of money to defend; from the fact that gas will flow through northern flows without Ukrainian transit, this is billions and staff should sell their gas and Ukrainians are so in territory their interests are not interesting and the main gas may disappear
      1. ARES623
        ARES623 29 October 2017 12: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: polpot
        micro-conflicts, please, you can enjoy it and it’s very convenient, and you’re in a state of tension and harness the money to defend

        Do you think Syria, Iraq, Ukraine are micro-conflicts? I believe that this is working out the questions of warfare by “outsiders”, when it seems to be clear where the wind is blowing from, but formally we are not at war and cannot take appropriate measures. And since this method is contrary to our moral and ethical views, we cannot simply mirror and finance organized crime in the United States in our interests or launch the a la Merkader system in opposing countries. And the Germans are too much dependent on the United States to not pay attention to their opposition to SP-2, even despite the obvious economic "plus" of this project. And the fact that today is not the 19th century is you reassuring yourself. There are not many differences. And the main thing is that the “peasants with iron eggs” are replaced by protoplasm like oland or crazy Macarevichs. Western military analysts are trying their best to explain to the world community and politicians that life after a nuclear conflict of superpowers is possible.
  11. prior
    prior 29 October 2017 10: 41 New
    0
    Come on, Kurt!
    And America will be another Christopher Stevens, but this time in Kiev, and not in Benghazi.
  12. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 29 October 2017 10: 47 New
    +7
    We need to bring a couple of machine guns in a festive atmosphere to Cuba (to transfer experience to Cuban comrades), and to them two calculations, start building a catering unit, a residential unit, a workshop for their maintenance, a couple of bicycle boxes ... And a monthly inspection, but where without her.
  13. Holoy
    Holoy 29 October 2017 10: 49 New
    0
    We need to supply the Taliban with tanks!
  14. VadimSt
    VadimSt 29 October 2017 10: 51 New
    0
    US actively explores arms supplies to Ukraine

    The USA, actively trolling Russia, apparently without understanding, - Russia did not vassal the USA!
  15. polpot
    polpot 29 October 2017 11: 20 New
    0
    Why shouldn’t the decisive character appointed to go take parades of joyful ukrov promise to tell that tomorrow everything will be all this politics send to hell means to show that the states have leaked ukrov and they don’t need a serious winter to help and will go promise to throw written-off dry land and give photo with an aktograph; you 1941-1945 remember the fables of the Allies that they then love to talk now
  16. kefan
    kefan 29 October 2017 11: 25 New
    0
    Yes, this Walker even has a mug deceitful and impudent, in general, another arrogant saxophone.
  17. izya top
    izya top 29 October 2017 11: 34 New
    +4
    The White House is actively considering the possibility of delivering lethal weapons to Kiev

  18. Krasnyiy komissar
    Krasnyiy komissar 29 October 2017 11: 54 New
    +1
    Why are we constantly moving away from a war with the United States if they themselves provoke it? Constant concessions on our part, peacekeeping initiatives at the UN, all sorts of Minsk, Normandy, Helsinki only heat up our enemy to test us for strength. You just need to draw red lines, the transition of which will mean only one thing - the beginning of a thermonuclear war for the complete extermination of the enemy. Many scold the horsetail, but he did not run a hedgehog in his pants to the Americans in Cuba! So it is necessary to do now. The only true way for us is to escalate tensions to the level of the 62nd year so that there is something to agree on.
  19. bmv04636
    bmv04636 29 October 2017 11: 57 New
    0
    Then, suddenly, unexpectedly:
    Gerhard Schroeder, former chancellor of Germany and head of Rosneft’s board of directors, mediated negotiations with the Turkish authorities, ending with the release of German human rights activist Peter Stoydtner and his colleagues. Presumably, it was a secret meeting between Schroeder and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan in September that provided a breakthrough in these negotiations, reports Deutsche Welle.
    Strange coincidence isn't it
  20. Slam
    Slam 29 October 2017 15: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: Logall
    Starmen will do anything to draw Russia into an armed conflict!

    There is nothing holier than Mother Russia in the world.
  21. Slam
    Slam 29 October 2017 15: 27 New
    0
    Quote: Krasnyiy komissar
    Why are we constantly moving away from a war with the United States if they themselves provoke it?

    Can the gut be thin?
  22. mlad
    mlad 29 October 2017 17: 31 New
    0
    If they are given javelins, then in each trench opposite will be competitive