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In the United States calculated the number of casualties in the event of war on the Korean Peninsula

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In the event of a resumption of the armed conflict on the Korean Peninsula, hundreds of thousands of people will be the victims of the early days of the war. About this with reference to the report of the Congressional Research Service reports Bloomberg.


It is noted that even when using non-nuclear weapons, and conventional types of weapons in the first days will die from 30 thousand to 300 thousand people. The researchers came to such conclusions based on the ability of North Korean artillery to produce up to 10 thousands of shells per minute. It is also indicated that the war will directly affect 25 millions of people living on both sides of the border.

In the United States calculated the number of casualties in the event of war on the Korean Peninsula


In addition, in the US Congress they admitted that China, Japan and Russia could be drawn into the conflict. At the same time, US involvement in the war is possible.

At the same time, the report states that Washington risks being on the verge of a military clash with China. In the document, Beijing’s possible reaction is named, “perhaps the most significant geopolitical issue that will arise as a result of the armed conflict on the peninsula.”

In early October, experts published estimates that, in the event of a DPRK nuclear conflict with Japan and South Korea, 2,1 a million people would die, and various injuries would be received to 7,7 million.

Estimates are based on the fact that Pyongyang has 25 nuclear warheads for ballistic missiles and uses them all against South Korea and Japan at the same time. Determined and the power of warheads - from 15 to 250 kilotons, transmits "Lenta.ru"
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  1. Logall
    Logall 28 October 2017 12: 30
    24
    Figo counted! Victims, after such a conflict, will be for many years ... During a nuclear winter!
    I hope that the United States understands that Russia will not calmly watch nuclear shells burst near its borders ... And radiation quietly covers the Far East ...
    1. stolz
      stolz 28 October 2017 12: 41
      +9
      Believe, and therefore fear and respect. But we are completely not respected. One can thank Gorbachev, Yeltsin and their entire gop campaign for this, they brought the great country to a pen.
      1. Logall
        Logall 28 October 2017 12: 42
        27
        Who are afraid and respected, Korea? DPRK without China and Russia – no one can call!
        If the United States were not afraid to contact Russia and China, then North Korea would no longer exist! They have enough funds to destroy the entire military infrastructure with one massive blow. Nobody will feel sorry for the civilians there ... They will smash everything!
        1. NIKNN
          NIKNN 28 October 2017 12: 56
          14
          Quote: Logall
          If the US were not afraid to contact Russia and China

          Yes, if the USA and China begin to swing, I think Russia will not sit still, it will be necessary to show a strong hero ...
          PS: - How to measure the heroic strength?
          - We need to multiply the heroic mass in acceleration!
          1. cniza
            cniza 28 October 2017 13: 08
            14
            From powerlessness in the United States begins a febrile crackling research.
            1. Partyzan
              Partyzan 28 October 2017 13: 18
              11
              Quote: cniza
              From powerlessness in the United States begins a febrile crackling research.

              they want to find a goat path with a smart look to get out of this situation bully Hello Victor hi
              1. Arzoo
                Arzoo 28 October 2017 13: 34
                +7
                In early October, experts published estimates that, in the event of a DPRK nuclear conflict with Japan and South Korea, 2,1 a million people would die, and various injuries would be received to 7,7 million.
                Estimates are based on the fact that Pyongyang has 25 nuclear warheads for ballistic missiles and uses them all against South Korea and Japan at the same time. Determined and the power of warheads - from 15 to 250 kilotons, reports "Lenta.ru"

                This figure is already real. 2-3 million. But we do not know how many real charges the DPRK has, I believe that it is more than 25. I consider the estimates in the range of 50-70 real. This is very likely due to the fact that the PRC is very willing to get rid of its competitors in the Far East if a war occurs. And I believe that he is actively importing the necessary materials, and even components, into the DPRK.
                In addition, it is not clear on how many submarines they have the possibility of underwater launch, now there are clearly more than 1. How many we do not know.
                You can only address the mattresses - Do not play with the atomic bomb!
                1. Arzoo
                  Arzoo 28 October 2017 13: 45
                  +9
                  I believe that the United States will not risk such an adventure. That and rhetoric, with the advent of the second (or more than the second) submarine with the possibility of underwater launch, they slowed down. Something will come up off the coast of San Diego, and then what? The end of Trump and their entire clique.

                  Our military department makes it clear to the Americans that even we do not know how much and what the Chinese are importing into the DPRK. The number of charges, the number of solid rockets, or the duration of autonomous navigation of North Korean submarines can be an unpleasant surprise.
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 28 October 2017 14: 20
                    +8
                    And I believe that the decision on the war has already been made. And the question is date and tactics.
                    In South Korea - the Winter Olympics. Either start after it, or, conversely,
                    lull and begin suddenly before.
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 28 October 2017 15: 15
                      +6
                      Aren't they so crazy as they are, they understand that there is no military solution, the DPRK is not on a separate planet ...
                      1. Partyzan
                        Partyzan 29 October 2017 09: 09
                        +6
                        Victor hi they don’t have brains, otherwise there would have been a concussion for a long time, and they don’t feel sorry for anyone, this should be done not on densely populated areas of the mattress - but on individual ranches - to remove the tumor bully
                    2. Ural resident
                      Ural resident 28 October 2017 17: 36
                      +1
                      for some reason it seems to me that way too. and the Americans spat on yao. Well, they will apply it to the same Koreans only to the South - the fact that from this is that this corresponds to the concept of reducing the non-gold population. On the contrary - I’ll inflate the PR from this with a condemnation of the fact of the use of nuclear weapons and advance the laws corresponding in their favor. Yes, and their hands will also be untied after that
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 28 October 2017 18: 03
                        +1
                        Quote: A resident of the Urals
                        for some reason it seems to me that way too. and the Americans spat on yao. Well, they will apply it to the same Koreans only to the South - the fact that from this is that this corresponds to the concept of reducing the non-gold population. On the contrary - I’ll inflate the PR from this with a condemnation of the fact of the use of nuclear weapons and advance the laws corresponding in their favor. Yes, and their hands will also be untied after that

                        South Koreans are just a very golden population)))
                        By HDI in the twenty best countries in the world
                    3. San Sanych
                      San Sanych 28 October 2017 20: 47
                      +3
                      Quote: voyaka uh
                      And I believe that the decision on the war has already been made. And the question is date and tactics.
                      In South Korea - the Winter Olympics. Either start after it, or, conversely,
                      lull and begin suddenly before.

                      Like in South Ossetia? But only 08.08.08. Georgia’s aggressors, Washington’s protégés were coolly chewed, they even chewed ties, as if newly-minted aggressors did not have to chew their underpants filled with their own feces
                    4. Nikolai Grek
                      Nikolai Grek 28 October 2017 21: 30
                      +5
                      Quote: voyaka uh
                      And I believe that the decision on the war has already been made. And the question is date and tactics.
                      In South Korea - the Winter Olympics. Either start after it, or, conversely,
                      lull and begin suddenly before.

                      at you not an ally in the person of Israel, under whose nose you can arrange cf% a% h without worrying about its interests !!! wassat wassat lol lol lol the war against SevKorea will affect Russia with China, if only because of its geographical position, so that the Americans should send troops to or there to try to fight or sit on the priest evenly and not rock the boat, because all the air "surprises" over SCorea from the Americans will be destroyed! !! yes wink laughing
                2. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 28 October 2017 20: 27
                  +2
                  Missile defense systems on ships will fill and destroy all ICBMs and RSD launched from the territory of the DPRK. Now they are exploring the territory where missile silos and launchers can hypothetically and practically hide - they will pick it all to the maximum, they will lay the coordinates in cruise missiles.
              2. cniza
                cniza 28 October 2017 15: 13
                +2
                Hi Volodya! hi there is no such path for them, there are only paths of shame.
            2. papas-57
              papas-57 28 October 2017 18: 14
              +4
              '' In addition, the US Congress admitted that China, Japan and Russia could be drawn into the conflict. At the same time, the United States may be involved in the war. '' They wrapped it up cool, they themselves will start the war and `` At the same time, the United States may be involved in the war. '' What is it like?
              1. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 28 October 2017 21: 44
                +6
                Quote: papas-57
                '' In addition, the US Congress admitted that China, Japan and Russia could be drawn into the conflict. At the same time, the United States may be involved in the war. '' They wrapped it up cool, they themselves will start the war and `` At the same time, the United States may be involved in the war. '' What is it like?

                it is amkrikoski - complete insanity !!! wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
        2. zoolu350
          zoolu350 28 October 2017 14: 15
          +4
          That's right, only the Russian Federation with its oligarchy, remove from the layout. The owners of the Fed are afraid only of the power of the PLA in this matter.
          1. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 28 October 2017 21: 45
            +4
            Quote: zoolu350
            That's right, only the Russian Federation with its oligarchy, remove from the layout. The owners of the Fed are afraid only of the power of the PLA in this matter.

            before messing around, I would have studied lope of Chinese money lies in America !!! wassat lol lol lol
            1. zoolu350
              zoolu350 29 October 2017 03: 46
              +2
              Quote: Nikolai Grek
              before messing around, I would have studied lope of Chinese money lies in America !!! wassat lol lol lol

              Do not take the bad habit of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation to measure everything with money. There are also states for which the vital interests of the country are more important than cut green paper.
              1. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 29 October 2017 21: 45
                +5
                Quote: zoolu350
                Quote: Nikolai Grek
                before messing around, I would have studied lope of Chinese money lies in America !!! wassat lol lol lol

                Do not take the bad habit of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation to measure everything with money. There are also states for which the vital interests of the country are more important than cut green paper.

                To begin, I advise you to study the definition of the word oligarch !!! wink yes tongue tongue laughing laughing laughing
          2. Talgat
            Talgat 29 October 2017 20: 17
            +2
            Quote: zoolu350
            That's right, only the Russian Federation with its oligarchy, remove from the layout. The owners of the Fed are afraid only of the power of the PLA in this matter.


            I will support
            Although the defense of the DPRK is completely in the interests of the Russian Federation - but the GDP is very fettered by the oligarchs and also by the huge pro-American grouping of the Russian population - some TV figures are worth it - + your Chubais and Grefs, etc. Even here there are a lot of them - there are a lot of them - and this is huge part of the population of Russia and it supports both the US and the Fed

            China is now the only factor inhibiting aggressors
        3. Nikolay Fedorov
          Nikolay Fedorov 28 October 2017 16: 00
          +9
          Quote: Logall
          Who are afraid and respected, Korea? DPRK without China and Russia – no one can call!
          If the United States were not afraid to contact Russia and China, then North Korea would no longer exist! They have enough funds to destroy the entire military infrastructure with one massive blow. Nobody will feel sorry for the civilians there ... They will smash everything!

          No Americans, even the most exceptional, are able to destroy the entire military infrastructure of North Korea with one blow. The DPRK already has about 5 million people under arms in the army, another 4 million in reserve, mob resources - about 5 million. And this is not cannon fodder, untrained in military affairs. These are specialists who have served in the army for 5-12 years. soldier Today, the army is looking forward to the attack. They bite into the ground, into the rocks. Who can destroy this army, one of the most powerful in the world, with one blow? fool
          1. Ural resident
            Ural resident 28 October 2017 17: 38
            +2
            they don’t need to destroy infrastructures - just a little thought - the main goal is China and Russia, and Korea is just an excuse to deploy missile defense there.
            In addition, there is a gancha, without prejudice to oneself, experiencing a system of global impact locally
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 28 October 2017 18: 05
            +1
            Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
            Quote: Logall
            Who are afraid and respected, Korea? DPRK without China and Russia – no one can call!
            If the United States were not afraid to contact Russia and China, then North Korea would no longer exist! They have enough funds to destroy the entire military infrastructure with one massive blow. Nobody will feel sorry for the civilians there ... They will smash everything!

            No Americans, even the most exceptional, are able to destroy the entire military infrastructure of North Korea with one blow. The DPRK already has about 5 million people under arms in the army, another 4 million in reserve, mob resources - about 5 million. And this is not cannon fodder, untrained in military affairs. These are specialists who have served in the army for 5-12 years. soldier Today, the army is looking forward to the attack. They bite into the ground, into the rocks. Who can destroy this army, one of the most powerful in the world, with one blow? fool

            The bulk of these specialists during the service was used as a cheap labor force of the national economy.
            1. Nikolay Fedorov
              Nikolay Fedorov 28 October 2017 23: 23
              +3
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Quote: Nikolai Fedorov

              No Americans, even the most exceptional, are able to destroy the entire military infrastructure of North Korea with one blow. The DPRK already has about 5 million people under arms in the army, another 4 million in reserve, mob resources - about 5 million. And this is not cannon fodder, untrained in military affairs. These are specialists who have served in the army for 5-12 years. soldier Today, the army is looking forward to the attack. They bite into the ground, into the rocks. Who can destroy this army, one of the most powerful in the world, with one blow? fool

              The bulk of these specialists during the service was used as a cheap labor force of the national economy.

              You have beguiled something ... You have mixed in one pile stories about the Soviet Army and incomprehensible about the KPA. What you are talking about is impossible in North Korea in principle.
              The term "Songun", that is, "everything for the army," is the basic idea of ​​Juche. “The Army in the Leading Place” is the main thesis of the top leadership of North Korea; it is the foundation, the foundation on which the North Korean state is built. This principle is central to the whole ideological concept. Songun singles out the armed forces in the country as a structure with state functions, which occupies a leading position in the state. Who in North Korea would dare to use KPA troops for the needs of the national economy ?! fool
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 29 October 2017 01: 22
                0
                Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
                Quote: Krasnodar
                Quote: Nikolai Fedorov

                No Americans, even the most exceptional, are able to destroy the entire military infrastructure of North Korea with one blow. The DPRK already has about 5 million people under arms in the army, another 4 million in reserve, mob resources - about 5 million. And this is not cannon fodder, untrained in military affairs. These are specialists who have served in the army for 5-12 years. soldier Today, the army is looking forward to the attack. They bite into the ground, into the rocks. Who can destroy this army, one of the most powerful in the world, with one blow? fool

                The bulk of these specialists during the service was used as a cheap labor force of the national economy.

                You have beguiled something ... You have mixed in one pile stories about the Soviet Army and incomprehensible about the KPA. What you are talking about is impossible in North Korea in principle.
                The term "Songun", that is, "everything for the army," is the basic idea of ​​Juche. “The Army in the Leading Place” is the main thesis of the top leadership of North Korea; it is the foundation, the foundation on which the North Korean state is built. This principle is central to the whole ideological concept. Songun singles out the armed forces in the country as a structure with state functions, which occupies a leading position in the state. Who in North Korea would dare to use KPA troops for the needs of the national economy ?! fool

                I don’t know what is being declared there, but soldiers are used for construction and harvesting.
          3. Vadim237
            Vadim237 28 October 2017 23: 52
            +1
            Aviation and rockets on the drum, what specialists are there and how many are under arms, without modern air defense, if you need to “pick out” them from the ground, they will be tactical thermonuclear bombs B61 12 - just 10 kilotons. If these underground bunkers and warehouses are connected to each other, then the explosion of this bomb, in one of the bunkers, will lead to air poisoning, decay products, in the entire communications system and those who hide there will become one hundred percent dead. Underground bunkers and warehouses, etc. are effective, in case of war, on a large territory such as China, Russia, Canada, but not on such a small piece of land as the DPRK - everything is in full view.
            1. region58
              region58 29 October 2017 03: 53
              0
              Quote: Vadim237
              “pick” them out of the ground will be tactical thermonuclear bombs B61 12 - just 10 kilotons

              Yeah ... But Russia and China will calmly watch the radioactive clouds floating in their direction ... "Don’t tell my horseshoes" (c).
              Quote: Dark Lord
              About China and the US conflict, even less likely

              Recently, the Chinese quite definitely spoke out: if the Koreans start first - well, if anyone attacks Korea - we fit in, they say, definitely. There they have an agreement on friendship and mutual assistance.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 29 October 2017 10: 44
                0
                There will not be any clouds - the explosion is deep and the wind blows in the opposite direction.
        4. Dark Lord
          Dark Lord 28 October 2017 19: 20
          0
          Quote: Logall
          Who are afraid and respected, Korea? DPRK without China and Russia – no one can call!
          If the United States were not afraid to contact Russia and China, then North Korea would no longer exist! They have enough funds to destroy the entire military infrastructure with one massive blow. Nobody will feel sorry for the civilians there ... They will smash everything!

          Are you crazy? who will fit in for Korea - Russia, yeah, where the people's money is in American securities, and also Magdaki with KFS and burgers all over the country, and auto assembly plants, and what is North Korean in Russia, nothing to fit in for rogues who don’t produce anything and live in the Stone Age and will live like that until the regime there made such a laugh! About China and the US, the conflict is even less likely to look at the general access to trade between countries, where should China put the goods if it will not buy NATO countries?
          1. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 28 October 2017 21: 47
            +8
            Quote: Dark Lord
            Yes, and live in the Stone Age

            in the Stone Age did not create nuclear weapons !! wink yes laughing laughing
            1. Dark Lord
              Dark Lord 28 October 2017 22: 02
              +2
              Come on ? Compare the USSR as a beggar with nuclear weapons after the Second World War and South Korea today, without nuclear weapons, with Samsung and LG, and look at stone North Korea, where do you see the big-eyed stone age and where is civilization? Yes, it doesn’t matter there is no you Pakistan is still a poor stone-aged man with nuclear weapons compared with Belgium, well-fed and prosperous, nuclear weapons are not an indicator of the wealth of countries, peoples, look freely about the wealth of the countries of the world. about the domestic product. export, per capita income. all world ratings from any statistical agencies at your disposal
              1. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 28 October 2017 22: 06
                +5
                Quote: The Dark Lord
                Come on ? Compare the USSR as a beggar with nuclear weapons after the Second World War and South Korea today, without nuclear weapons, with Samsung and LG, and look at stone North Korea, where do you see the big-eyed stone age and where is civilization? Yes, it doesn’t matter there is no you Pakistan is still a poor stone-aged man with nuclear weapons compared with Belgium, well-fed and prosperous, nuclear weapons are not an indicator of the wealth of countries, peoples, look freely about the wealth of the countries of the world. about the domestic product. export, per capita income. all world ratings from any statistical agencies at your disposal

                you don’t speak to me ... you whistled about the Stone Age !!! laughing laughing laughing The Stone Age is something similar to Somalia !!! wink laughing
                1. Dark Lord
                  Dark Lord 28 October 2017 22: 25
                  +1
                  To the point, I don’t know what your beloved North Korea is and Somalia, you show me what they do besides nuclear weapons, here I’ll buy a link in nete, the main thing is maid in North Korea, until you give me both Somalia and Gabon and the Central African Republic in one line. Stone Age !!
                  1. Nikolai Grek
                    Nikolai Grek 29 October 2017 00: 50
                    +6
                    Quote: The Dark Lord
                    To the point, I don’t know what your beloved North Korea is and Somalia, you show me what they do besides nuclear weapons, here I’ll buy a link in nete, the main thing is maid in North Korea, until you give me both Somalia and Gabon and the Central African Republic in one line. Stone Age !!

                    what what what sadness, if thoughts are sitting in your head that equalize Somalia and Skorea !!! wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
                2. Dark Lord
                  Dark Lord 28 October 2017 22: 35
                  +1
                  Well, the stone-centuries-old Korea North with a super dictator (we would have such a thing, a guy, a ruler from God, they all take an example and take the state system) Will you tell me where did you get the love for obscene power ??
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 29 October 2017 01: 43
                    +1
                    Quote: The Dark Lord
                    Well, the stone-centuries-old Korea North with a super dictator (we would have such a thing, a guy, a ruler from God, they all take an example and take the state system) Will you tell me where did you get the love for obscene power ??

                    That's right, a fat guy with a Swiss education and a bunch of thin citizens living without the Internet and raising dogs for food.
        5. San Sanych
          San Sanych 28 October 2017 21: 20
          +1
          Quote: Logall
          Who are afraid and respected, Korea? DPRK without China and Russia – no one can call!
          If the United States were not afraid to contact Russia and China, then North Korea would no longer exist! They have enough funds to destroy the entire military infrastructure with one massive blow. Nobody will feel sorry for the civilians there ... They will smash everything!

          if grandmother had ... she would be grandfather laughing
      2. Slovak
        Slovak 28 October 2017 13: 29
        +2
        Consider losses in Korea. I hope that after all, a conflict does occur, the initiators, i.e. The United States will also suffer.
    2. stas
      stas 28 October 2017 12: 41
      11
      They thought they were crying and felt sorry for themselves.
      The United States has never attacked a strong enemy. They act like jackals.
      The attack on the DPRK will unite the PRC and Russia against the United States even more.
      1. Med_Dog
        Med_Dog 28 October 2017 12: 49
        +2
        Germany, Second Front.
        1. VALERIK_097
          VALERIK_097 28 October 2017 12: 59
          +1
          To the point, after Stalingrad they only started to gather.
          1. Med_Dog
            Med_Dog 28 October 2017 13: 11
            +1
            All forces were pulled to Japan and Africa. As far as I know, the Norman operation was planned for a long time, so only in 44 the front was opened.
            1. Pirogov
              Pirogov 28 October 2017 13: 19
              14
              Quote: Med_Dog
              All forces were pulled to Japan and Africa. As far as I know, the Norman operation was planned for a long time, so only in 44 the front was opened.

              Yes, it's all bullshit, the United States was waiting for the USSR to exhaust its human resources. And in Normandy they landed, so that the USSR would not completely occupy Germany, and at the same time France.
              1. mvg
                mvg 28 October 2017 13: 37
                +4
                Yes it's all bullshit

                You would leave your omniscience to yourself. Maybe that smart read about the Second World War. And not just what the Soviets write. Look at the losses in people among the Americans and the British.
                Not only Russians fought in that war. And the fact that so many people have put it, it’s not necessary to brag about it, but to grieve over the idiots ... who commanded a bunch of masses. And overslept the attack.
                1. axiles100682
                  axiles100682 28 October 2017 14: 06
                  10
                  And what are the great victories of the Anshlyans with the Americans in Africa and Japan before the opening of the second front?
                  1. mariusdeayeraleone
                    mariusdeayeraleone 28 October 2017 15: 56
                    +6
                    They do not win but shit. This is their honorable status in the world. Competition is who will shit more and faster)))
                  2. Med_Dog
                    Med_Dog 28 October 2017 20: 38
                    0
                    What are victories? Strategic.
                2. axiles100682
                  axiles100682 28 October 2017 14: 09
                  +6
                  How many cities of millionaires have you taken in Africa or Japan? Is there anything to remember the acre of El Alamein and some insignificant island in the Pacific?
                  1. PSih2097
                    PSih2097 28 October 2017 15: 29
                    +5
                    Quote: axiles100682
                    There is something to remember the acre El Alamein

                    Especially if you recall how the elves' troops drove the Fox around Africa, despite the fact that he had only fuel in the red, and this was a strange war, a "catch-up game" ...
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 28 October 2017 18: 09
                      0
                      Quote: PSih2097
                      Quote: axiles100682
                      There is something to remember the acre El Alamein

                      Especially if you recall how the elves' troops drove the Fox around Africa, despite the fact that he had only fuel in the red, and this was a strange war, a "catch-up game" ...

                      Rommel was supplied with transport aircraft through Crete. Offset boiler, which was the 6th army in Stalingrad
                3. dauria
                  dauria 28 October 2017 14: 41
                  14
                  Look at the losses in people among the Americans and the British.
                  Not only Russians fought in that war


                  An easier way is to look at the losses of the Germans (people, tanks, planes) on the eastern front and on the rest from Africa to Norway. Under 70-80% of their coffins ours made.
                  So after all, the “allies” still yell that they fought for 6 years. And Al-Alamein and Stalingrad were next to put ... 2 German divisions and 5 Italo-Romanians of all sorts. Fight of local significance ..
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 28 October 2017 18: 10
                    +3
                    Quote: dauria
                    Look at the losses in people among the Americans and the British.
                    Not only Russians fought in that war


                    An easier way is to look at the losses of the Germans (people, tanks, planes) on the eastern front and on the rest from Africa to Norway. Under 70-80% of their coffins ours made.
                    So after all, the “allies” still yell that they fought for 6 years. And Al-Alamein and Stalingrad were next to put ... 2 German divisions and 5 Italo-Romanians of all sorts. Fight of local significance ..

                    The actions of the Red Army account for 85% of German losses
                4. Tersky
                  Tersky 28 October 2017 15: 24
                  10
                  Quote: mvg
                  Look at the losses in people among the Americans and the British.

                  So what? Or do you think the figures in 26,5 million with the maximum number of US army losses in 415 thousand + three thousand civilians in Pearl Harbor are comparable?
                  Quote: mvg
                  duck do not have to brag about it, but mourn over idiots ...

                  They do not grieve over idiots, grieve over losses as a result of the activities of idiots.
                  Quote: mvg
                  who commanded a bunch of masses

                  It's good that not a lot of heaps.
                5. Nikolay Fedorov
                  Nikolay Fedorov 28 October 2017 16: 38
                  10
                  Quote: mvg
                  Yes it's all bullshit

                  You would leave your omniscience to yourself. Maybe that smart read about the Second World War. And not just what the Soviets write. Look at the losses in people among the Americans and the British.
                  Not only Russians fought in that war. And the fact that so many people have put it, it’s not necessary to brag about it, but to grieve over the idiots ... who commanded a bunch of masses. And overslept the attack.

                  It seems to be a Russian flag, which means there is access to knowledge. Well have not taken advantage so far? fool
                  To compare the losses with anyone, you still need to see how many fascist divisions they ground. If we compare the losses of the Red Army with the Wehrmacht, then they are not very different. And our main losses are civilians. Do you know how many civilians remain in liberated Minsk?
                  PS And the dees who commanded a bunch of masses (according to your words) are our illustrious marshals who secured us the Victory, so unloved by you, as you can see ...
                  1. Med_Dog
                    Med_Dog 28 October 2017 20: 37
                    0
                    They secured victory, yes, but at what cost? Our troops lost almost 2 times more people than German troops. With competent command of the troops, as well as, again, competent evacuation of the population, there would be much less casualties among civilians. But still, say thanks again to Marshal of Victory.
                    1. region58
                      region58 29 October 2017 04: 00
                      +2
                      Quote: Med_Dog
                      Our troops lost almost 2 times more people than German troops.

                      It seems that everyone agrees that military losses are approximately equal.
                6. San Sanych
                  San Sanych 28 October 2017 21: 26
                  +5
                  Quote: mvg
                  Yes it's all bullshit

                  You would leave your omniscience to yourself. Maybe that smart read about the Second World War. And not just what the Soviets write. Look at the losses in people among the Americans and the British.
                  Not only Russians fought in that war. And the fact that so many people have put it, it’s not necessary to brag about it, but to grieve over the idiots ... who commanded a bunch of masses. And overslept the attack.

                  the USSR and Germany fought, and the Allies only made it appear that they were fighting, and when the ridge was broken on Hitler’s eastern front, the Allies fussed so as not to miss their profit
                7. Nikolai Grek
                  Nikolai Grek 28 October 2017 21: 48
                  +6
                  Quote: mvg
                  Look at the losses in people among the Americans and the British.

                  then announce the extensive list of their military operations, where they could lose millions, the historian is unfinished !! negative negative
              2. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 28 October 2017 14: 22
                +2

                "They landed Normandy, so that the USSR would not completely occupy Germany" ////

                When the Norman operation began, the Soviet Union was still liberating its territory.
                1. Pancir026
                  Pancir026 28 October 2017 14: 34
                  13
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  When the Norman operation began, the Soviet Union was still liberating its territory.

                  Right?
                  And what have the Anglo-Saxons been doing since June, that when they got a kick in the Ardennes, losing their helmets and cowards, they ran out crying out for help ... was it that they helped? Who?
                  The landing in Normandy, rightly they say you are trying to keep up with hats, but not to let the USSR take Europe.
                  1. Aaron Zawi
                    Aaron Zawi 28 October 2017 14: 40
                    +2
                    Quote: Pancir026

                    And what have the Anglo-Saxons been doing since June, that when they got a kick in the Ardennes, losing their helmets and cowards, they ran out crying out for help ... was it that they helped? Who?

                    Are you kidding me?
                    1. Pancir026
                      Pancir026 28 October 2017 14: 59
                      20
                      Quote: Aron Zaavi
                      Are you kidding me?

                      If your compatriots are lying, lying and trying to belittle the feat of my people, then you can consider yes, I am mocking your knowledge in History.
                      Can you tell me the same tale about the “excellent divisions” of the Wehrmacht that were used on the western front? Or about the stunning stupidity of the operation under Monte Cassino? Or about the same Ardennes? Or about the landing of the Poles as airborne and cut out completely?
                      Can you stop sticking out the nonexistent virtues of your current allies, trying to belittle the role of the USSR?
                      1. ventel
                        ventel 28 October 2017 15: 34
                        +2
                        Maybe you know the history of World War II, but in general, you quote what you learned from Soviet textbooks. What do you think would be the armored divisions of the Wehrmacht and the SS if Arden hadn’t been right on the eastern front and how many Soviet soldiers we would have lost In this we do not want to tell us to pour water on our allies.
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 28 October 2017 18: 14
                        +1
                        Quote: Pancir026
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        Are you kidding me?

                        If your compatriots are lying, lying and trying to belittle the feat of my people, then you can consider yes, I am mocking your knowledge in History.
                        Can you tell me the same tale about the “excellent divisions” of the Wehrmacht that were used on the western front? Or about the stunning stupidity of the operation under Monte Cassino? Or about the same Ardennes? Or about the landing of the Poles as airborne and cut out completely?
                        Can you stop sticking out the nonexistent virtues of your current allies, trying to belittle the role of the USSR?

                        As if the grandfathers of the Israelis on the site (I, too, an Israeli living in the Russian Federation) did not fight in the Red Army ?? And yes, in the Ardennes there were first-class divisions of the Wehrmacht.
                      3. Med_Dog
                        Med_Dog 28 October 2017 20: 30
                        0
                        No one is trying to belittle the role of the USSR in the victory on the Wehrmacht, I now see how pseudo-patriots here bazaar by type: "we deliberately pulled the landing", "Oh, we would have won the war ourselves, without England and America and their help." I don’t know what knowledge you have in history, but the majority here on the contrary belittle the role of the allied states in the fight against Germany, do not give a damn about the Japanese theater of operations - if Japan had gained a hold on the United States, the next goal would be the Far East and Siberia, and how we all know that by October-November 1941, divisions were pulled from there to Moscow, so draw conclusions. Next, the Italian theater, where Verkhmat pulled the divisions from the Eastern Front to help Italy, then the African theater, which again used tanks and aircraft thrown from the Eastern Front, and the latter is the Second Front, thanks to which the USSR conducted successful military operations in Germany.
                      4. Pancir026
                        Pancir026 29 October 2017 12: 48
                        +4
                        Quote: ventel
                        Maybe you know the history of World War II, but the history of the Second World War

                        Versions of Bandera history connoisseurs do not interest me.
                        Quote: ventel
                        . What do you think, where would the tank divisions of the Wehrmacht and the SS be if Arden were not

                        You absolutely do not understand what you are writing about. The operation in the Ardennes was conceived and carried out by the Wehrmacht in order to show the West the ability to resist. With the subsequent task of separate negotiations.
                        The idea of ​​the German high command was as follows: taking advantage of the lull on the Western Front, deliver a crushing blow in the direction of Liège, at the junction of the Anglo-American armies, defeat the American 1st Army, force the Meuse, go to the Antwerp area, press the American 9- the second, the second, and the first Canadian armies — to give the Anglo-American allies a second Dunkirk, but unlike 2, to prevent them from being evacuated to England, and ultimately to force the allies to conclude a separate peace with Germany.
                        On December 12, 1944, four days before the offensive, Hitler expressed the hope:
                        “If several strong blows follow, then at any moment it can happen that this artificially supported front will collapse with a terrific crack.”
                        Here is a picture described by American journalist Ralph Ingersol, a participant and witness to the fighting in Europe: “German troops broke through our defense line at the front of 50 miles and poured into this breakthrough, like water into an exploded dam. And from them on all roads leading to the west, the Americans fled, headlong, ".
                        6 January 1945, Churchill sent the following message to “Marshal Stalin”:

                        “In the west there are very heavy battles, and at any time, great decisions may be required from the High Command. You yourself know from your own experience how disturbing the situation is when you have to defend a very broad front after a temporary loss of initiative. General Eisenhower is very desirable and necessary to know in general what you intend to do, as this, of course, will affect all of his and our most important decisions .... I will be grateful if you can tell me if we can count on a major the Russian offensive in the Vistula region or somewhere else during January and at any other time you might wish to mention ... I consider it urgent. "

                        Stalin, having received this request for help, the despair of which was only weakly veiled by dryness of presentation, January 7 of the year 1945 answered:

                        “... It is very important to use our superiority against the Germans in artillery and aviation. These types require clear weather for aviation and the absence of low fogs that prevent artillery from conducting aimed fire. We are preparing for an offensive, but the weather is not conducive to our advance. However, taking into account the position of our allies on the Western Front, the Supreme Command decided to complete preparations at an accelerated pace and, regardless of the weather, to open broad offensive actions against the Germans on the entire central front no later than the second half of January. You can be sure that we will do everything that is possible in order to assist our glorious allied forces. ”
                        And in order that you would not make a grin here, this is not a conscientious source.
                        http://nvo.ng.ru/history/2015-05-22/1_ardenny.htm
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                    2. San Sanych
                      San Sanych 28 October 2017 20: 54
                      +5
                      Quote: Aaron Zawi
                      Quote: Pancir026

                      And what have the Anglo-Saxons been doing since June, that when they got a kick in the Ardennes, losing their helmets and cowards, they ran out crying out for help ... was it that they helped? Who?

                      Are you kidding me?

                      Well, it’s a fact that the Allies got a good kick in the Ardennes, whined, and asked Uncle Joe for help so that he could launch an offensive in Poland as soon as possible.
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                    1. sabakina
                      sabakina 28 October 2017 16: 31
                      16
                      Quote: Gransasso
                      Before the landing in Normandy. The pace of the liberation of the Red Army of their territory did not impress Pts ... and after that, things went faster ...

                      Jackals you were, jackals and remained! On March 26, 1944, the Red Army entered the state border of the USSR, before that, grinding the Wehrmacht for 3 years! And your “Sherkhani” sat quietly behind a puddle and waited for how it would all end!
                  3. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 28 October 2017 18: 12
                    0
                    Quote: Pancir026
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    When the Norman operation began, the Soviet Union was still liberating its territory.

                    Right?
                    And what have the Anglo-Saxons been doing since June, that when they got a kick in the Ardennes, losing their helmets and cowards, they ran out crying out for help ... was it that they helped? Who?
                    The landing in Normandy, rightly they say you are trying to keep up with hats, but not to let the USSR take Europe.

                    The Arden operation ended in failure for the Germans as soon as the weather cleared up. Americans crushed them with aviation.
                    1. Pancir026
                      Pancir026 29 October 2017 12: 39
                      +1
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      Quote: Pancir026
                      Quote: voyaka uh
                      When the Norman operation began, the Soviet Union was still liberating its territory.

                      Right?
                      And what have the Anglo-Saxons been doing since June, that when they got a kick in the Ardennes, losing their helmets and cowards, they ran out crying out for help ... was it that they helped? Who?
                      The landing in Normandy, rightly they say you are trying to keep up with hats, but not to let the USSR take Europe.

                      The Arden operation ended in failure for the Germans as soon as the weather cleared up. Americans crushed them with aviation.

                      And? Did you discover America to me, along with the Israelis screaming here? And you don’t know that the defeat of the Wehrmacht armies in the Ardennes is not so much the action of the Naglosaks’s aviation. How is the attack of the Red Army? What has become clear, the defeat of Germany is inevitable? that as a result the entire Western front didn’t practically resist. but the resistance was fierce only on the Eastern Front? So why are you telling tales here? How did the Germans surrender? GIFT.
                      To whom surrendered. And to whom they resisted. throwing the most combat-ready units to the front?
                  4. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 28 October 2017 18: 25
                    +2
                    The Ardennes were in winter - December 44th. The Germans advanced 10 days, two weeks later they received a flank tank attack and were defeated.
                2. mariusdeayeraleone
                  mariusdeayeraleone 28 October 2017 15: 58
                  +2
                  I agree! Therefore, the USSR took Berlin so that the west would not be united there.
              3. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 28 October 2017 18: 07
                +1
                Quote: Pirogov
                Quote: Med_Dog
                All forces were pulled to Japan and Africa. As far as I know, the Norman operation was planned for a long time, so only in 44 the front was opened.

                Yes, it's all bullshit, the United States was waiting for the USSR to exhaust its human resources. And in Normandy they landed, so that the USSR would not completely occupy Germany, and at the same time France.

                To do this, at 43, at the request of Churchill, landed in Sicily
            2. VALERIK_097
              VALERIK_097 28 October 2017 13: 29
              +1
              Damn, enlightened the "ignoramus."
            3. Dark Lord
              Dark Lord 28 October 2017 22: 21
              0
              The US Army of 11.9 million people in 1945, most of the army was in the metropolis and not in the theater of war, at least when the main enemy for some of you get acquainted with its capabilities, you wondered if the hair stood on end from people who were not interested in anything but who wrote a lot, but here's the link http://www.protown.ru/information/hide/5370.html
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 28 October 2017 18: 06
            +1
            Quote: VALERIK_097
            To the point, after Stalingrad they only started to gather.

            Duc with the Japanese before that fought ...
      2. Logall
        Logall 28 October 2017 12: 51
        15
        Jackals jackals, but acting prudently! Only when confident in victory. Before that, destroying the economy, and therefore weakening the army ...
        DPRK has not yet reached the condition, which means there will be no conflict!
        1. askort154
          askort154 28 October 2017 13: 19
          +7
          Logall ....Jackals jackals, but acting prudently!


          Yeah. They have everything "calculated" in advance. The war in Korea - lost, the war in Cuba - lost, the war in Vietnam - lost, the war in Afghanistan - has not been won for decades. Wars: in Yugoslavia, Iraq and Libya - their defeat will be recognized in the 22nd century. Syria, Korea, Iran - already unequivocally, they can not afford. They openly begin to bluff. This is their "se-xs in the square." The world sees and draws conclusions. The future of the United States on the world stage is downward inclined movement. yes
          1. Logall
            Logall 28 October 2017 13: 36
            +9
            There is no need to confuse the war with the regime in support of another with a full-scale war against a particular state as a whole. Until complete destruction or unconditional surrender! You gave incorrect examples! And that's all!
            The only true example would be the US joining the anti-Hitler coalition ...
            1. askort154
              askort154 28 October 2017 14: 31
              +5
              Logall ..... Do not confuse the war with the regime, in support of another with a full-scale war against a particular state as a whole.

              War is a large-scale use of weapons in opposing opponents. The war with the regimes is a new trend of the USA in the 20th century, after the collapse of the USSR. Each state has its own - "regime".
              The United States took on the role of a judge, to determine which regime to destroy, using its army. This is a war against, as a rule, a weak state compared with the United States, with the deaths of thousands of civilians. This is not the "overthrow" of the regime, it is a war against the state.

              Logall .... The only true example would be only the US joining the anti-Hitler coalition ..
              And what, fascism in Germany was not a regime?
              You are confused in your logic. yes hi
              1. Logall
                Logall 28 October 2017 15: 13
                +9
                No need to juggle! A full-scale war was waged against Germany against an entire state! With all his people!
                You gave examples of conflicts in which there was a civil war! It was a civil war, that is exactly what I meant when one regime spoke against another ...
                And you just get out!
                1. askort154
                  askort154 28 October 2017 18: 35
                  +2
                  Logall .... No need to juggle! A full-scale war was waged against Germany against an entire state! With all his people!
                  I repeat - "on tanks" fool
                  In Vietnam, with whom did the Americans fight? If there was a civil war, why did the Americans get in there? What, they fought there with the regular army, they fought with the Vietnamese people. Nobody called them there. (The same American strategist is still ongoing. There was a civil war in Syria, who invited the Americans there?
                  By your logic, Hitler fought not with the state of the USSR and its people, but with the regime.


                  It was a civil war, that is exactly what I meant when one regime spoke against another ...
                  Civil war is an internal war, without interference from outside. There was a Civil War in Russia until the Entente intervened. The civil war is now taking place in Ukraine, as soon as foreign troops enter, officially, then it will be an interstate war. What else is not clear ?!
                  And you just get out!
                  They always say it when there is no argument. tongue hi
                  1. Logall
                    Logall 28 October 2017 19: 29
                    +9
                    Quote: askort154
                    They always say it when there is no argument.

                    Here's an argument about the Vietnam War
                    The war began as a civilian in South Vietnam. Subsequently, North Vietnam was drawn into the war, which later received the support of the PRC and the USSR, as well as the United States and its allies (the SEATO military bloc), who supported the friendly South Vietnamese regime. As events unfolded, the war became intertwined with the parallel civil wars in Laos and Cambodia. All military operations in Southeast Asia, which took place from the late 1950s until 1975, are known as the Second Indochina War.
                    This is an excerpt from Wikipedia! You were too lazy to look ...
                    And about the war against Germany, you just misinterpreted my words! They brought some nonsense! When I wrote that against Germany a full-scale war was fought against the whole country, with its people ... Hitler Germany also attacked the Soviet Union. Destroyed the whole country, all the people ...
                    And besides, as part of the anti-Hitler coalition, the United States did not participate in full-scale Wars!
                    Again about the facts, you have not provided a single one! Only historical wrong chatter!
      3. the villain
        the villain 28 October 2017 13: 05
        +3
        Quote: stas
        The attack on the DPRK will unite the PRC and Russia against the United States even more.

        And it’s not worth it to completely dismiss the possibility that those who have already been shaken by the self-proclaimed sash hegemony will join.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 28 October 2017 12: 42
      +9
      Strange reasoning. First, the United States begins to bomb the DPRK, and if the Russians or Chinese respond, then they will draw the United States into the war! It turns out that starting a war does not mean being involved in it initially? belay
      1. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 28 October 2017 13: 07
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        Strange reasoning. First, the United States begins to bomb the DPRK, and if the Russians or Chinese respond, then they will draw the United States into the war! It turns out that starting a war does not mean being involved in it initially?

        So stick out same. fool . Fuck the logic, if there is coke.
      2. Partyzan
        Partyzan 28 October 2017 13: 20
        +5
        Quote: siberalt
        does not start a war mean being involved in it initially?

        what kind of war? this is a humanitarian bombing laughing
    4. OFFICE-32
      OFFICE-32 28 October 2017 12: 45
      +3
      In Japan, I remember it was counted and Stalin was whispered so maliciously in the ear ...
      Bookkeepers are marauders, I would say so about the USA!
    5. demo
      demo 28 October 2017 12: 59
      +2
      Quietly cover the USA ?!
      1. OFFICE-32
        OFFICE-32 28 October 2017 13: 30
        +3
        Quote: demo
        Quietly cover the USA ?!

        They guard their continent very much ..
        Remember Cuba? We have ties there, but resources are not enough ..
        Hugo Chavezv they destroyed, but nothing! We will "destroy" Europe first. and then take up the United States and the oceans will not save them!
        This is the only way for the WORLD to come on the planet!
    6. Shura Sailors
      Shura Sailors 28 October 2017 13: 30
      +4
      It is precisely the reaction of the PRC and Russia to the war in Korea that the United States is most afraid of.
      And the confidence that the DPRK will use all available nuclear weapons against South Korea and Japan is somewhat surprising. Guam is at least on the list of top priority goals. And there who knows what else a relative of Kim Jong Il has.
      All this bravado of the USA in the vein of “tearing North Korea like a Bobik rag” from powerlessness and fear from the consequences of such an incident. It’s one thing to fight with the “toothless Papuans” and quite another with an opponent who can bother
    7. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 28 October 2017 14: 16
      +1
      The victims of this beast never worried here it is clearly about
      China, Japan and Russia may be drawn into the conflict.

      Or maybe they are still afraid of this ...
    8. Esoteric
      Esoteric 28 October 2017 15: 06
      +1
      Quote: Logall
      I hope that the United States understands that Russia will not calmly watch nuclear shells burst near its borders ...

      And what does Russia do when non-nuclear shells burst in the territory of the Krasnodar Territory? belay And here he will keep silent ... How many people are there in the Far East? 6? And how much money and real estate do banks have abroad? And all this ashes? belay SCHCHASSSS !!! fool
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 28 October 2017 18: 17
        +2
        Quote: Esoteric
        Quote: Logall
        I hope that the United States understands that Russia will not calmly watch nuclear shells burst near its borders ...

        And what does Russia do when non-nuclear shells burst in the territory of the Krasnodar Territory? belay And here he will keep silent ... How many people are there in the Far East? 6? And how much money and real estate do banks have abroad? And all this ashes? belay SCHCHASSSS !!! fool

        In the Rostov region, shells are torn
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 28 October 2017 18: 57
        +3
        Quote: Esoteric
        when are shells (not nuclear) bursting in the territory of the Krasnodar Territory?

        belay I see I overslept something what More details please yes ,
    9. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 28 October 2017 21: 21
      +5
      Quote: Logall
      Figo counted! Victims, after such a conflict, will be for many years ... During a nuclear winter!
      I hope that the United States understands that Russia will not calmly watch nuclear shells burst near its borders ... And radiation quietly covers the Far East ...

      it is strange that they did not voice this news wassat wassat wassat

      Earlier, representatives of a special commission in their report to the US Congress said that the electromagnetic pulse from an atomic bomb explosion could damage the electronics of key control systems in the United States.
      From this, the commission concluded that it was enough for the DPRK to detonate one single nuclear bomb in the United States in order to cause irreparable damage to infrastructure, which in turn would cause the death of up to 90% of the country's population.
    10. Karaul73
      Karaul73 29 October 2017 08: 20
      0
      And what should Russia do? Get involved in a war? The best option is the removal of Euny, the unification of Korea and the removal of Americans home with the destruction of nuclear weapons on the peninsula.
  2. 210ox
    210ox 28 October 2017 12: 30
    +6
    Have you already decided everything? The Koreans will die, and the Chinese and Russians together with them. But in this case, you, the staff members, will have to dig your own graves. If you have time.
  3. Funnels
    Funnels 28 October 2017 12: 30
    12
    The main thing was cunningly stated: it is possible to engage the United States in a war! That is, they themselves are muddied, and it seems like they are not chapels. War until the last Korean?
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 28 October 2017 12: 34
      +1
      Quote: Funnels
      The main thing was cunningly stated: it is possible to engage the United States in a war!

      This is just doublethinking, exactly the same as that of our non-brothers.
    2. Settlement Oparyshev
      Settlement Oparyshev 28 October 2017 12: 57
      0
      This is a fox move to draw Russia into conflict. But they forget that Putin is not a sucker at all, unlike Nikolai on the 22nd. He will not go to the chaff and at the end he will take away the coalition.
      1. Esoteric
        Esoteric 28 October 2017 15: 13
        0
        Quote: p-k Oparyshev
        She will not go to the chaff and at the end she will take away the coalition.

        What are you putting together in a heap? From the series: “We Will Always Be In Time Under the Stone”? The main thing is that he should be fucked, and the army should be so, in case of insurance ...
  4. Herculesic
    Herculesic 28 October 2017 12: 31
    +4
    That is, in fact, the United States has already decided to start a war, and just started doing statistics - how many people can be sacrificed in order to organize a massacre in another region! sad
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 28 October 2017 12: 40
      +2
      Quote: Herkulesich
      That is, in fact, the United States has already decided to start a war, and just started statistics - how many people can be donated

      For people, they only consider Americans, in fact.
    2. VALERIK_097
      VALERIK_097 28 October 2017 13: 12
      +1
      As Gray Brother writes, with whose comment I completely agree, the figures that are taken from the article must be multiplied by two orders of magnitude, moreover, on the territorial part of North America (as a continent). Duncans MacLeod pancake
  5. Gray brother
    Gray brother 28 October 2017 12: 33
    +1
    Now there is someone to stumble over Yellowstone.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 28 October 2017 20: 28
      0
      This will be their last - empty bang.
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 28 October 2017 20: 36
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        This will be their last - empty bang.

        This will be the last bang for everyone, well, or for almost everyone.

        Better full of yellowstone than empty. smile
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 October 2017 00: 01
          0
          Nothing will happen - a volcano from a nuclear explosion does not explode on the surface, and super volcanoes explode - they do not erupt, for this you need to create pressure in the cavity itself, and not on the surface, and there rocks over carpet 4 km - not a single warhead can penetrate it .
  6. Herculesic
    Herculesic 28 October 2017 12: 34
    +2
    Only this will be the case when he himself cannot overtake peacefully overseas — the more they blaze here, the higher are the chances that an army guide will begin in the United States! sad
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 October 2017 00: 04
      0
      They’ll get away, there are only a few units from the DPRK ICBMs and they won’t reach the USA, the current missile defense system meets the conditions for intercepting such missiles.
  7. tank66
    tank66 28 October 2017 12: 35
    +2
    Eternal classic - Krylov's fables. Fox and grape. In the current interpretation, fatty Eun is green and nefkusny.
  8. askme
    askme 28 October 2017 12: 37
    +4
    In the next 2 weeks, according to forecasts, winds will blow in the direction of Vladivostok from Korea only 3 days. Further, with the establishment of the winter direction of the winds from the continent, the winds will blow only from the northern points. Moderate monsoon climate. Nowhere else in the world is there such a thing ...
  9. Приговор
    Приговор 28 October 2017 12: 39
    +7
    Well, such a trifle as several million corpses, in fact, never stopped our little exceptional friends ... lol Compete in boorish behavior with the Americans on this planet can only Israel and in the past Great Britain. Although, we must admit that the Melkobritts always acted finer and more elegant than the village Yankees ... laughing
    1. Med_Dog
      Med_Dog 28 October 2017 12: 51
      +1
      Now I would condemn what has been done for the good of our nation.
    2. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 28 October 2017 14: 22
      +2
      The Yankees resemble fascist Germany the same plundering of resources and values, terror, intimidation, the destruction of civilians, only the German fascists did not hide anything and call these "crap".
      1. Med_Dog
        Med_Dog 28 October 2017 20: 45
        0
        Superpowers such as the British Empire and the USSR are suitable for your description. If you take an earlier period, you can add countries such as: Portugal, Spain, France, Italy.
        Well, the essence you caught.
  10. Eurodav
    Eurodav 28 October 2017 12: 47
    +6
    Again, these nonsense ... How can I understand this- "... At the same time, the United States may be involved in the war."? They themselves want to hit Eun, but their inverted thinking, this will not be considered a war? Bravo, insane! You cannot be cured!
  11. Settlement Oparyshev
    Settlement Oparyshev 28 October 2017 12: 51
    0
    We don’t have to talk about Russia! We have our own tasks. To beat off the blow of the coalition DPRK, PRC, USA against us.
  12. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 28 October 2017 12: 56
    +3
    In addition, in the US Congress they admitted that China, Japan and Russia could be drawn into the conflict. At the same time, US involvement in the war is possible.
    Well done! DPRK-KR conflict. The PRC, Japan, the Russian Federation are drawn in, and the United States is “involved,” that is, they may evade. The petty ones again rely on the chestnuts of fire from the hands of others. Would have considered their losses in the event of a nuclear strike on the AUG. And then all the missiles in Japan and the Kyrgyz Republic.
  13. padded jacket
    padded jacket 28 October 2017 13: 01
    +3
    If the DPRK, with the help of missiles with nuclear weapons, manages to strike at any major US city that will result in millions of casualties from the United States, this will already mean Pyongyang’s victory, in any case, this “lesson” will be remembered for a long time by both official Washington and the people of the states.
    And as a "horror story" smile
    North Korea able to destroy almost all US population
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 28 October 2017 15: 17
      +2
      Quote: quilted jacket
      If the DPRK with the help of missiles with nuclear weapons will be able to strike at any major US city ...

      What the US fears in any conflict is to lose. For then they will receive the promised kirdyk promised by Sergei Bodrov (the younger) ... belay Everyone will start kicking a dead lion ... absolutely everything ...
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 28 October 2017 16: 59
        +1
        Quote: Esoteric
        What the US fears in any conflict is to lose

        They have already actually lost by showing the whole world that a small and poor country with nuclear weapons and strong leadership, with its full support of the people, can withstand the Washington regime.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 28 October 2017 20: 30
      0
      At the expense of EMI, they were very inflated.
    3. Med_Dog
      Med_Dog 28 October 2017 20: 55
      0
      The report is only to increase defense spending - my opinion. Also, what kind of nuclear weapons delivery system does the DPRK have? In all three they lose.
  14. Yak28
    Yak28 28 October 2017 13: 07
    0
    It’s necessary to transfer several megatons of nuclear charges to Korea, otherwise we will rot or empty under the knife anyway. But for the USA there will be a surprise.
    1. ventel
      ventel 28 October 2017 13: 34
      0
      Well, did you think the great strategist that Pyongyang can bring claims to Vladivostok, because you are the same imperialist capitalists as the United States.
      1. Yak28
        Yak28 28 October 2017 13: 42
        +1
        We are worse than the imperialist capitalists in the United States. Let Pyongyang show anything, here Poland, the Baltic states, Japan, your native Ukraine also show a lot of things and nothing.
        1. ventel
          ventel 28 October 2017 14: 06
          0
          Yes, but they don’t have nuclear weapons of the millionth army and missiles that can cover cities of millionaires.
  15. askme
    askme 28 October 2017 13: 07
    +2
    In fact, the Russian Federation is already capable of sweeping the entire US Navy grouping in the Sea of ​​Japan in the event of a conflict. Tu-22M3 with the new Kh-32 missile (it has been delivered shockly to the aerospace forces since last year), with a range of up to 1000 km, can destroy any enemy in this area by launching missiles over Vladivostok. By the way, from Vladivostok to Tokyo 1090 km in a straight line ...
    1. zoolu350
      zoolu350 28 October 2017 14: 23
      0
      The Russian Federation is capable of much, and what the oligarchy of the Russian Federation is capable of, read Brzezinski. Here the Fed owners have nothing to fear.
      1. askme
        askme 28 October 2017 15: 33
        +3
        Troll from the cyber troops of NATO. See Ossetia 08.08.08, Crimea 2014, etc.
        1. zoolu350
          zoolu350 28 October 2017 15: 43
          0
          Good. South Ossetia 08.08.08 - reconnaissance of the owners of the Fed by battle. As a result, the Russian troops did not take Tbilisi and did not destroy the Mishiko regime, although they could show all the lackeys of the Fed owners how the aggression against the Russian Federation ends. Crimea 2014 - children's "insult" of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation on the owners of the Fed, who squeezed out almost ALL of Ukraine, turning it into an anti-Russian bridgehead. The oligarch of the Russian Federation, having in his hands all the political trump cards in Ukraine (a legitimate president and the possibility of not recognizing the ukrohunt), stupidly surrendered it to the Fed owners.
          1. askme
            askme 28 October 2017 16: 33
            +3
            Thanks for the illustration. Here is the training manual as it is. And there are half such trolls here.
            1. zoolu350
              zoolu350 28 October 2017 16: 39
              0
              Quote: askme
              Thanks for the illustration. Here is the training manual as it is. And there are half such trolls here.

              This is all that could give birth to your consciousness. Not much.
        2. Ronald Reagan
          Ronald Reagan 28 October 2017 15: 48
          0
          Well, there’s no need to fight with weak countries.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 28 October 2017 20: 31
      0
      This is if the ships and aviation do not intercept these missiles.
      1. askme
        askme 29 October 2017 00: 06
        +1
        There is nothing to intercept the X-32. The altitude of the X-32 flight is 40 km. Not a single US air defense system can intercept at such a height ...
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 October 2017 01: 32
          0
          Go down below 33 and it will be intercepted by missiles SM 6.
          1. askme
            askme 29 October 2017 01: 45
            0
            No. They are not designed for such complex speed applications. There GOS from AIM-120C7AMRAAM - from a conventional air-to-air missile. Not for complex hypersonic purposes. Against airplanes - yes. Not high-speed rockets.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 29 October 2017 10: 48
              0
              And the X 32 is hypersonic and is not, but the missile will be monitored and highlighted from the very start - aircraft DRLO aircraft carrier and ship radars.
              1. askme
                askme 29 October 2017 13: 39
                0
                X-32 - hypersonic missile. Its speed is more than 5000 km / h.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 29 October 2017 17: 25
                  0
                  Hypersonic speed begins after 5M to 10M, and this rocket has a speed of 4,5M.
                  1. askme
                    askme 29 October 2017 17: 32
                    0
                    Do not write about what you do not understand. Hypersound is a wave phenomenon. Which can occur at the speed of the aircraft and around 4,5 Mach including. It depends not only on speed, but also on the shape of the aircraft, roughly speaking. X-32, by the way, has a speed above 4,5 Mach.
  16. stolz
    stolz 28 October 2017 13: 09
    +3
    Quote: Logall
    Who are afraid and respected, Korea? DPRK without China and Russia – no one can call!
    If the United States were not afraid to contact Russia and China, then North Korea would no longer exist! They have enough funds to destroy the entire military infrastructure with one massive blow. Nobody will feel sorry for the civilians there ... They will smash everything!

    Yeah, tell me more that they will drop their hats. Meanwhile, the DPRK does not hold, like Russia, its 100 billion. dollars in US banks, its Central Bank does not belong to the States, as well as in Russia. Because small DPRK is quite an independent state and can pursue an independent policy, unlike Russia, 80% dependent on the United States.
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      1. Esoteric
        Esoteric 28 October 2017 15: 28
        +2
        Quote: Rusj
        You already got these 100 billion dollars compared to other countries with trillions of US papers.

        Those which which, and the population of 1 ... and their yuan is the reserve currency .... and no one puts forward sanctions against them ... and nobody breaks their flags ... and they make computers and telephones not only for their citizens , but also for the Russians.
        Russia is the only country in the world in which the leadership (unlike the PRC) does not devote the population to its plans ... does not have a national bank ... does not have a sufficient population for a vast territory. You are right about one thing - there are in Russia opportunities to destroy everything to dust. Yes, only all efforts are aimed at preserving funds withdrawn to foreign banks and real estate. You are with us - "0" without a stick. The oligarchs will say their word, and you will again gather the bulls on the sidewalks and look for products by coupons ...
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 28 October 2017 20: 33
          0
          We have a national bank - the Central Bank is called, 96% of its revenue is sent to the treasury.
      2. askme
        askme 28 October 2017 15: 37
        +5
        Do not pay attention. NATO cyber military trolls have one record: oligarchs, 100 million. This is one training manual.
        1. zoolu350
          zoolu350 29 October 2017 03: 52
          0
          Do you have edulubov and adherents of the KhPP other words, except: trolls, manuals, cyber troops of NATO, are there? To the point.
  17. Victor-M
    Victor-M 28 October 2017 13: 13
    0
    It is a pity that North Korea is not located in Western Europe, but in general it seems that North Korea is a US project created to prevent the unification of all of Korea into a single state, and to create conditions for the deployment and permanent location of its bases near Russian borders. Kim Jong-un studied in the USA.
    In the late 1990s, I had the occasional opportunity to personally speak with the late James R. Lilly. It was at the World Economic Forum in Davos and it so happened that my place was at the dinner table, where the delegation from Beijing was. Lilly came to the forum in a place with them and since I was the only western person nearby, we got into a little conversation. Then, seeing that I was more than familiar with global politics, Lilly began to speak, perhaps a little more than he should have with someone he did not know very well.

    James R. Lilly is not a political outsider. Yale graduate, friend and classmate of George H.V. For about three decades, Bush Lilly served together as the future US president at the CIA, both of whom were US ambassadors to China.

    All this background is of key importance here in order to understand the status of my interlocutor and how valuable his comments and words are.

    During our lunch discussion in Davos, we touched on the events in Asia and Washington’s constant attention to North Korea’s nuclear program. Suddenly, Lilly made an exhaustive remark on this whole topic. He said:

    “If North Korea did not exist, we would have to create it as an excuse to preserve the Seventh Fleet in the region”
    .
  18. newcomer
    newcomer 28 October 2017 13: 15
    +4
    something the picture of the Pentagon’s plan is drawn: to draw Russia, China, Japan into the war on the peninsula. in short, if before the Yankees thought about how to hit the northerners, now the emphasis is on the beginning of the war between the two Koreas, drawing the countries of the region there. those. at the exit, we have a situation as in a BV one to one _ complete chaos in the region. the “Anaconda” plan in the final surrender, to surround our territory with bases and satellites, to arrange a universal zone of instability along the perimeter of the borders and, in fact, the blow itself to us.
  19. LAWNER
    LAWNER 28 October 2017 13: 30
    +1
    Total ...
    An agreement with Japan is not needed. There simply will not be a partner country. There will be no islands either ... ...
  20. Rusj
    Rusj 28 October 2017 13: 38
    0
    Possible Amer involvement! They hoped to start a war and how to overlap somewhere in the Second World War! Here are the insolents. Does not work poor
    1. stolz
      stolz 28 October 2017 13: 49
      0
      Experts warned the House of Representatives of the US Congress that the DPRK, in the event of a successful nuclear attack outside the atmosphere over America, could destroy up to 90% of the country's population.
      Hearings on the threat from the DPRK took place in Congress on October 12. It was then that a research scenario was announced there, in which Pyongyang produces a nuclear explosion outside the atmosphere over the United States. In this case, there will be a wave of a powerful electromagnetic pulse, which will cut down all the electronics in the country and output the energy network for an indefinite period.
      In particular, the report cited the opinion of the former director of the Strategic Defense Initiative program Henry Cooper, which he expressed back in September 2016, when he unveiled this special commission that was working on this issue: “Over the next year, this will lead to the death of 90% of all Americans” .

      At the same time, the Business Insider portal cites the opinion of military technology expert from the British Royal Joint Institute for Defense Research Justin Bronk, who noted that the technology of using electromagnetic pulse (EMP) has not been studied much, but can have the most serious consequences.
  21. askme
    askme 28 October 2017 14: 11
    +3
    Dreams of the Yankees to drag Russia into the war there, staying on the sidelines are the dreams of idiots. Russia will not react to everything that is happening now. Even after the outbreak of war, we will stand still. Now, if American missiles and bombs begin to fall on our territory, and this can only happen if a full-scale massacre involving China begins, only then we will begin to sink the US fleet in the Sea of ​​Japan. To begin with ... They won’t calm down - the Yankee bases in South Korea and Japan will come. Well, then they’ll fly the ICBMs ... So at first they’ll get away from the DPRK, then from China. And we will already be connected to clean up the scum who started the war. The last word will in any case be with Russia in this conflict.
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 28 October 2017 15: 34
      0
      Quote: askme
      So at first they will get away from the DPRK, then from China. And we will already be connected to clean up the scum who started the war. The last word will in any case be with Russia in this conflict.

      Little correction:
      So at first they’ll get away from the DPRK, then their whole coalition will run away and they will remain in splendid isolation, then from China. And we will already be connected to clean up the scum who started the war. The last word will in any case be with Russia in this conflict.
      1. askme
        askme 28 October 2017 16: 43
        0
        You see, South Korea and Japan have nowhere to run. They would be happy, but not possible .... That is why there will be a total war. If anything. The deadly hatred between China and Japan, Korea and Japan ...
  22. Black5Raven
    Black5Raven 28 October 2017 14: 26
    +3
    In the comments, solid haters, carefully stop
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 28 October 2017 15: 38
      +1
      Quote: Black5Raven
      In the comments, solid haters, carefully stop

      Take the example of sailors from the “Donald Cook” and you will understand the fighting spirit of the American soldier. There, caps will be needed to brush off the smell - to drive away ... lol
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 28 October 2017 19: 41
        +2
        Quote: Esoteric
        Quote: Black5Raven
        In the comments, solid haters, carefully stop

        Take the example of sailors from the “Donald Cook” and you will understand the fighting spirit of the American soldier. There, caps will be needed to brush off the smell - to drive away ... lol

        And someone else believes in this fake
        1. Black5Raven
          Black5Raven 29 October 2017 12: 25
          0
          Another evidence of hatred. Still mentioned about diapers, I suppose. The last time, too, they were so boastful, their hats were thrown up and they screamed in rya. Received more than 20 million killed.
          And even before that they shouted urya! For the king and the fatherland! They received another million dead in the war, then in the civilian, a little from the hunger and pandemic of the Spaniard and the collapse of the empire. Were dumbfounded.
          Let them calm down, history will judge everyone. Rome also considered everyone dirty barbarians, incapable of anything. How it ended - everyone knows.
  23. Evil 55
    Evil 55 28 October 2017 14: 28
    +1
    Virtual statistics and so-called reports since 1945 have saved millions of lives .. The more often the losses of the US Army are overestimated and the less the analysts tell the truth, the longer the nuclear Armageddon will come on the planet ..
  24. stolz
    stolz 28 October 2017 14: 31
    0
    Quote: Rusj
    Learn the part of the mat. You are 80% addicted nerd and your Geyropa!

    You didn’t mix anything up, pedal horse? I don’t give a shit about you and your opinion, and therefore fell into a ditch and never arise near me, I understood NEVER!
  25. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 28 October 2017 14: 37
    +1
    And the loss of striatum is not considered? Even then, in the war with Korea, they lost quite a bit. And now, with the threat of a nuclear attack on the metropolis, the Hamburg counter will go! Americans will not forgive any president for such a thing.
  26. Fedor1
    Fedor1 28 October 2017 14: 53
    +2
    We have one concern, as it were, to buy another pile of securities from the United States.
  27. 7gor
    7gor 28 October 2017 14: 57
    +1
    They thought the sofas were the same as me! In fact, it will be a tryndets (to put it mildly) A bad world is better !!!!!!
  28. weksha50
    weksha50 28 October 2017 15: 06
    +2
    The most interesting thing is that THEY considered the losses from all sides, EXCEPT FOR YOURSELF !!!
    Let the calculations of possible losses begin first from the USA, since they are trying to rekindle a third MB, in which neither Russia nor China will stand aside and will first punish the arsonist ... negative
    1. askme
      askme 28 October 2017 15: 41
      +2
      Of course. The purpose of the cyber war (psychological, hybrid war) of the United States is to intimidate opponents, rekindle feuds and contradictions in their midst. Old as the world. The fact that these trolls write in Russian, under Russian and so on. flags - does not change anything. The main thing is to instill fear and uncertainty. But in fact, it is the United States that is now in the most vulnerable position in the conflict. The absence of war - kills the United States, they are rotting alive now without a war. They have a hysteria because no one wants to fight for them and will not, and they try to stay away from them as if from suicide bombers ..) Hence there are screams, apocalyptic scenarios - the whole shaft of hysteria) They die of love ....
  29. 7gor
    7gor 28 October 2017 15: 50
    +1
    Eun is doing the right thing! It's like in the army, "once you have lost everything, you are a torpedo"
  30. Old26
    Old26 28 October 2017 16: 33
    +2
    Quote: Arzoo
    This figure is already real. 2-3 million. But we do not know how many real charges the DPRK has, I believe that it is more than 25. I consider the estimates in the range of 50-70 real.

    calculations show that the number 25 is closest to reality. Number 50 and 70 this is from the realm of fiction

    Quote: Arzoo
    In addition, it is not clear on how many submarines they have the possibility of underwater launch, now there are clearly more than 1 of them.

    There may already be two, but there are no guarantees. Two boats of 1 rocket with a range of about 1500 km

    Quote: Arzoo
    The number of charges, the number of solid rockets or the duration of autonomous navigation of North Korean submarines can be an unpleasant surprise.

    For whom? For those who spend hours sitting with a zombie hunter - yes, for those, all this may come as a surprise. They sometimes may not even know where this North Korea is located.

    Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
    No Americans, even the most exceptional, are able to destroy the entire military infrastructure of North Korea with one blow. The DPRK now has about 5 million people under arms in the army, another 4 million in reserve, mob resources - about 5 million. And this is not cannon fodder, untrained in military affairs. These are specialists who have served in the army for 5-12 years. soldier Today, the army is looking forward to the attack. They bite into the ground, into the rocks. Who can destroy this army, one of the most powerful in the world, with one blow?

    And they, by the way, have never affirmed this and do not affirm it. The DPRK now has just over 1 million people in the army under arms. 5 million - this is with members of the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Guard, with the youth red guard, with an army reserve (600 people). But all these paramilitary structures of arms do not have and are not regular forces. In the warehouses, the junk transferred by the army, which the army is already physically unable to use. For example, MLRS on tractor trailers. T-000 tanks and the like.
    Specialists can serve 12 years. But if they are 12 more left in stock. in the composition of these militia formations - how not to count, these are not the fighters who are currently in the ranks. Yes, trained, but this is not the army, but the mass of militias who need to be brought down into companies and battalions, battalions to regiments ...

    Quote: siberalt
    Strange reasoning. First, the United States begins to bomb the DPRK, and if the Russians or Chinese respond, then they will draw the United States into the war! It turns out that starting a war does not mean being involved in it initially?

    Do not consider Americans stupid. They will not start first, but simply provoke Un at the first blow. And then. Then we must remember that Russia and the DPRK do not have an article on mutual assistance in the friendship treaty. Not since 2002. And it is worth remembering that China announced this, in the person of its foreign minister. If someone does not remember - I will remind. China WILL HELP DPRK if the first to attack the Americans. If the North Koreans strike first, then NO. But even here, China acts as is customary in the east, without saying anything. Reception of DPRK refugees - is this help? Help. Making food - help? Help. But China is unlikely to send its armed forces. Pull to the border - pull, but the border is unlikely to cross

    Quote: Yak28
    It’s necessary to transfer several megatons of nuclear charges to Korea, otherwise we will rot or empty under the knife anyway. But for the USA there will be a surprise.

    Right And they will smuggle Ukrainians or Georgians. What a surprise we will have !!!!!
    1. askme
      askme 28 October 2017 16: 41
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      China WILL HELP DPRK
      More precisely, it was stated that China WILL NOT ALLOW a change of regime in the DPRK. This is not at all how you interpret the position of China. Everything is stated unequivocally. And twice ... Well, I must add that Kim plays smarter than they think about him) For example, now he does not shoot rockets) He will not give a reason) And inventing a Yankee reason is unprofitable. Because this war will kill them, even though Russia will not be drawn into it at the initial and secondary stages if it is not attacked by the US coalition.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 28 October 2017 20: 37
        +1
        Only practice will show who will help someone - neither Russia nor China will help the DPRK in my opinion.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 28 October 2017 22: 12
          +2
          I think so too. The Chinese Communist Party changed course: from communist ideology to "a prosperous social state." And the Ona regime for them is an inconvenient reminder of their own past. China's course is a strategic gradual expansion of an economic superpower. They will not drop everything on the scales because of Eun.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 29 October 2017 00: 11
            0
            Russia simply does not have extra money to help the DPRK and even more so intervene in the conflict with three countries: South Korea, Japan and the USA.
  31. MOSKVITYANIN
    MOSKVITYANIN 28 October 2017 16: 48
    +1
    In the event of the resumption of armed conflict on the Korean Peninsula the victims the first days of the war will hundreds of thousands of people. This is with reference to the report of the US Congressional Research Service Bloomberg.

    Taki think that Bloomberg "slightly" reduced the possible number of victims, on some highways, airports / ports of the Northern and Central parts of the Republic of Kazakhstan during the period of evacuation of the population inland. How many civilians will die during the destroyed communications of Seoul (lack of gas, - water, - power supply), torn gas pipelines and damaged traction power substations, etc.

    It is noted that even when using not nuclear weapons, but conventional weapons in the first days, from 30 thousand to 300 thousand people will die. Researchers came to such conclusions, based on the ability of North Korean artillery to fire up to 10 thousand shells per minute.

    The strength of the KPA KPA is somewhat exaggerated, the KPA does not have much barreled and rocket artillery capable of reaching Seoul and hitting the RF Armed Forces at its entire tactical depth, in addition, the entire KPA KPA is concentrated in the first echelon of the KPA troops on the border with the Republic of Kazakhstan and is limited in mobility. In addition, in the DPRK on the border with the Republic of Kazakhstan and along the coast of the DPRK there is no network of rocky roads along which PA units and their supply units could be transferred.
    The limited amount of fuel and the almost complete absence of private cars reduced the importance of road transport to a secondary role. The road system in the 1990 year had a total length of 23 000 - 30 000 km, of which only 1 717 km (7,5%) was paved, and in the 1999 year the length was already 31 200 km. There are three main multi-tier highways: 200 km of the expressway connecting Pyongyang with Wonsan on the east coast, 43 km of the same highway connecting Pyongyang with its port Nampho, 100 km of the 4-tier motorway connecting Pyongyang with Keson.

    https://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/ruwiki/1878442
    The success of the KVA Air Force, PA, and KPA missile forces can be concomitant only in the initial period of the war with the ROK and ONLY provided that the DPRK delivers a pre-emptive strike on the ROK and the American WB in its territory, in essence, all KPA forces of the first echelon are an "internment camp .. .. "

    in the US Congress, China, Japan and Russia could be drawn into the conflict.

    In these countries, the reorganization of the Armed Forces is carried out, and the combat readiness of the troops is accordingly reduced, the participation of these countries directly in the military conflict is doubtful ....
    1. askme
      askme 28 October 2017 16: 56
      0
      Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
      In these countries, the reorganization of the Armed Forces is carried out, and the combat readiness of the troops is accordingly reduced, the participation of these countries directly in the military conflict is doubtful ....

      Regarding the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, this is nonsense. The combat readiness of the Russian troops is only increasing from year to year. Major reorganizations were carried out in the early 2010s. The grouping in Primorye with the onset of the crisis around the DPRK has been strengthened and its combat readiness has been increased. The district is constantly on exercises, including options for working out under conditions of radiation and chemical contamination. The exercises only increase the combat readiness of the district troops. The other day, strategic nuclear exercises were conducted with the development of launches of the Kyrgyz Republic by forces of the grouping with AB Ukrainka. The PRC grouping on the border with the DPRK is also strengthened, and for a long time.

      Conclusion: both China and Russia are ready for ANY development of events around the DPRK.
      1. MOSKVITYANIN
        MOSKVITYANIN 28 October 2017 17: 27
        +2
        askme The grouping in Primorye with the onset of the crisis around the DPRK has been strengthened and its combat readiness has been increased.

        Air defense and electronic warfare yes.
        As part of 4 OA and 1 AK (more than in other Districts). For example, in the 68th AK (headquarters of Sakhalin Island) - 1 MSBr. (Sakhalin Island) and 1 PULAD (Kuril Islands, consider an isolated theater of operations).
        There are no divisions in the 4’s OA of the Eastern Military District (scattered from Novosibirsk and Vladivostok); you can find out the number of brigades from Google.
        For comparison, take the grouping of the Northern RF in Primorye and on the islands and the grouping of the Northern Army (Japan) on about. Hokkaido
        1. askme
          askme 28 October 2017 17: 40
          +1
          That is, based on the fact that from Vladivostok to Novosibirsk there is not a single division, but only a brigade, you conclude that
          Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
          troop combat readiness reduced
          ? It is nonsense. The theme of "reducing the combat readiness of the troops" of the Russian Federation, declared by you, has not been disclosed by you. This is just your Wishlist. Reality is different. And no abbreviations of military units here add to your argument ...

          Regarding the rest: Russia borders on friendly countries in Primorye. Therefore, AT THIS TIME there is no one to fight Russia with. The grouping in the Kuril Islands is strengthened enough to successfully resist any attempts by the enemy to land on the Kuril Islands. The forces in the Kuril Islands are more than enough to deter the Marine Brigade of the Japanese Armed Forces. The remaining possible opponents, before carrying out DESO, will have to pull landing ships from all over the world over the WEEKS. During this time, the RF Armed Forces can repeatedly increase the grouping in the Kuril Islands.

          Conclusion: Russia in Primorye is NOT with anyone to fight the ground forces. The strength to repel US amphibious assaults with allies is more than enough today. Russia was not going to attack anyone and is not going to. The RF Armed Forces groupings in Primorye are still sufficient for any realistic scenario.

          All other scenarios include the Russian nuclear forces factor. Which is enough to repel ANY threat in any of the possible scenarios of conflicts around the DPRK.
          1. MOSKVITYANIN
            MOSKVITYANIN 28 October 2017 19: 16
            +3
            askme that from Vladivostok to Novosibirsk there is not a single division, but only a brigade

            I just pointed out to you that you won’t ensure the combat readiness of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation alone .... like the assigned tasks by the BBO command ..... (because they don’t have the necessary forces and means) ....
            The remaining possible opponents, before carrying out DESO, will have to pull landing ships from all over the world over the WEEKS.

            ? It is nonsense. The USA, Kazakhstan and Japan have the necessary amphibious landing forces, in addition, if necessary, these countries do not need to buy old container ships from Turkey (as some), because the same US has a shipping command ....
  32. Old26
    Old26 28 October 2017 18: 10
    0
    Quote: askme
    More precisely, it was stated that China would NOT allow a change of regime in the DPRK. This is not at all how you interpret the position of China.

    You can at least give a footnote on just such an interpretation. All that I read was said exactly as I voiced. I would be grateful if you give a footnote to your interpretation

    Quote: askme
    For example, now he doesn’t shoot rockets) He won’t give a reason) And it is unprofitable to invent a Yankee motive. Because this war will kill them in love, despite the fact that Russia will not be drawn into it at the initial and secondary stages if it is not attacked by the US coalition.

    Well, he doesn’t shoot temporarily. It is necessary to work out products anyway. Now he has only one of the missiles guaranteed to reach Guam. Everything else is only theoretically .. In principle, provoking the Yun Americans is nothing impossible. They will find a reason.

    Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
    The strength of the KPA KPA is somewhat exaggerated, the KPA does not have much barreled and rocket artillery capable of reaching Seoul and hitting the RF Armed Forces at its entire tactical depth, in addition, the entire KPA KPA is concentrated in the first echelon of the KPA troops on the border with the Republic of Kazakhstan and is limited in mobility. In addition, in the DPRK on the border with the Republic of Kazakhstan and along the coast of the DPRK there is no network of rocky roads along which PA units and their supply units could be transferred.

    The amount is difficult to determine, but according to some estimates, up to 200 MLRS caliber of 240 mm, capable of striking almost in the center of Seoul, about 60 self-propelled guns of caliber 170 mm (according to other estimates 36-40). Well, the 130 and 152 mm caliber artillery can finish off to the outskirts of Seoul. However, it is extremely difficult to place these 200 MLRS on the contact line of 5-7 km. Such positions are extremely vulnerable to return fire.
    1. askme
      askme 28 October 2017 18: 31
      0
      Quote: Old26
      You can at least give a footnote on just such an interpretation. All that I read was said exactly as I voiced. I would be grateful if you give a footnote to your interpretation

      Give a link to what you are referring to. What I voiced is well known. Drive into Google and read millions of links to statements from China. It is precisely this wording: "China will not allow a regime change in the DPRK and will intervene" precisely if the DPRK is attacked first.
      Quote: Old26
      Well, he doesn’t shoot temporarily. It is necessary to work out products anyway. Now he has only one of the missiles guaranteed to reach Guam. Everything else is only theoretically .. In principle, provoking the Yun Americans is nothing impossible. They will find a reason.

      You obviously did not understand what I wrote to you. I repeat once again: Kim is not crazy. He shot when he knew that they would not answer him. Now that he’s actually provoked by pulling into the region the shock, and not the amusing, grouping of the US Navy, he is not shooting. Did you catch the difference? This group will not be kept there forever, which means that he will have the opportunity to shoot. And I repeat again: the Yankees are not going to bring the matter to war, when they need to attack. The reason is in the statements of China and the silent preparations of Moscow. That is, they are well aware that Moscow will shoot last in this situation.

      Therefore, the calculation of the Yankees, their hope - only for one thing: Kim is crazy, he can’t stand his nerves, he will start the attack first. They literally beg for just that. But this will not happen. The Yankees have no chance ...
  33. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 28 October 2017 19: 01
    +6
    The fact is that possible victims have been calculated for a long time.
    But imagine:
    various injuries will receive up to 7,7 million.

    and each one has a bandage. How much does a bandage cost? Conditionally - a dollar. Total - 7,7 lyam on the spot.
    Based on the fact that the bandage (1 piece) of all the costs for the victims is "nothing at all" - then figure out how much will work for the entire conflict. I don’t even count other segments of all this coven. Now, of course, it is clear who is trying to disperse this scandal to the point of no return.
    Another thing is that the initial costs are very high. If I'm not mistaken, for the states it’s a couple of trillions at once and twice for so much in the short term. This and they will not pull.
    Therefore, the conflict so far has no continuation. Nobody agrees to throw money into this business because of possible risks. And earn hottsa.
    But this is my opinion .. I can be mistaken. But something says to me that only money is to blame for everything ... Now you don’t especially get hold of Russia. There is North Korea. And if there hadn’t been North Korea, the states would have found another Eun.
  34. afrikanez
    afrikanez 28 October 2017 19: 50
    +1
    possible involvement in the U.S. war
    This is what I liked the most! The main instigators are also going to stay away! Mu .... aki however, rare. negative
  35. Old26
    Old26 28 October 2017 20: 19
    0
    Quote: askme
    "China will not allow a regime change in the DPRK and will intervene" precisely if the DPRK is attacked first.

    We are talking about the same thing, only in different words. I will quote the first note on this subject
    The newspaper emphasizes: “China must make clear that if North Korea launches missiles that threaten American territory, and the United States responds to this, then China will remain neutral. If the United States and South Korea strike a preventive strike and try to overthrow the DPRK government, China will prevent it. ”

    That is the same thing that was said by me. If Koreans are the first, China will not help

    If the
    The newspaper emphasizes: “China must make it clear that if North Korea launches missiles that will threaten US territory and the United States responds to this, then China will remain neutral. If the United States and South Korea strike a preventive strike and try to overthrow the DPRK government, China will stop them".

    This is what you and I have said. Only I emphasized that if the first are Americans, the Chinese will help, but you emphasized the phrase about regime change. But the way it turns out is that if the Americans and South Koreans start first, and this automatically means a regime change, the Chinese will

    Quote: askme
    You obviously did not understand what I wrote to you. I repeat once again: Kim is not crazy. He shot when he knew that they would not answer him. Now that he’s actually provoked by pulling into the region the shock, and not the amusing, grouping of the US Navy, he is not shooting. Did you catch the difference? They won’t keep this group there forever, which means that he will have the opportunity to shoot.

    No, I just understood about the missiles. But you also understand that an ICBM created and not tested to the maximum range is the same as not being there. Than Eun will be able to strike in the United States, if suddenly (God forbid) he needs it

    Quote: askme
    Therefore, the calculation of the Yankees, their hope - only for one thing: Kim is crazy, he can’t stand his nerves, he will start the attack first. They literally beg for just that. But this will not happen. The Yankees have no chance ...

    With your lips yes honey .... I would like to hope. But it is not always believed in this, if only because of the fact that Eun is sometimes taken apart and even does not pay much attention to his patron in the person of the PRC
  36. askme
    askme 28 October 2017 20: 29
    +1
    Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
    I just pointed out to you that you won’t ensure the combat readiness of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation alone .... like the assigned tasks by the BBO command ..... (because they don’t have the necessary forces and means) ....

    Yes, you just do not understand what you are writing about. You are cleverly insinuating frank nonsense, you confuse the combat readiness of the territorial association of troops and forces and the military composition of the territorial association of troops and forces. So, exercises are what determines the combat readiness of a territorial association of troops and forces. But the combat composition of the territorial association of troops and forces is ready for combat readiness by no means. So you can have a bloated composition, but no combat readiness. Clearly spell out the basics of military affairs?

    So, for the combat readiness I explained to you. Given the constant rearmament of the army and its ongoing exercises, the combat readiness of the BBO has been unprecedented since 1991. And regarding the available composition of the troops of the district, I gave you all the explanations regarding the adequacy of this composition to the operational situation in the region.

    Once you do not understand the first time, I repeat once again regarding the Kuril Islands: the amphibious forces of the US Navy and the Japanese Navy, stationed in Japan, at the moment, in the current operational situation, are not able to successfully attack the Kuril Islands, the Russian division stationed there, reinforced air defense , Electronic warfare and the Bal and Bastion coastal complexes, reinforced by the T-80 tank battalion. To make this possible, they need to relocate ALL of their amphibious forces from around the world. Faster than two weeks to do it - impossible. Clear?
    1. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 28 October 2017 21: 21
      +1
      askme The U.S. Navy and the Japanese Navy, stationed in Japan, currently, in the current operational situation, are not able to successfully attack the Kuril Islands, the Russian division stationed there, reinforced by air defense, electronic warfare and coastal complexes Bal and Bastion, reinforced by the T-80 tank battalion. To make this possible, they need to relocate ALL of their amphibious forces from around the world. Faster than two weeks to do it - impossible. Clear?

      Yes, you are not nervous dear (?). Taki is clear, but in addition to the last paragraph.
      Why does the US and Japanese Navy from all parts of the world use airborne landing gear (TK, UDK, DKVD) if there are more Japanese amphibious landing forces than the entire Russian Navy without carrying out a fraction of additional civilian vessels (for example, ro-ro container carriers), on about. Diego Garcia are the warehouse vessels for the EBRMP and who told you that they will storm the Kuril Islands (then Kamchatka), the Kyrgyz Republic will level the upper layer of land on them and that's it .....
      1. askme
        askme 28 October 2017 21: 46
        +1
        Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
        Yes, you are not nervous dear (?). Taki is clear, but in addition to the last paragraph.

        Well, if it’s clear and you admit that you are portraying awareness in order to reduce the combat readiness of the BBO, without understanding what it is in principle, then you will actually admit that you are a banal troll. The conversation with you is almost over.

        I’m not going to breed demagoguery about the development of the amphibious forces of the Pacific Fleet and the Japanese Navy, because there was a conversation about something else: you portrayed the confidence that the Kuril Islands were under threat. I explained to you and all other readers that the available forces in the Kuril Islands are enough to counter a potential enemy from Japan in the current operational situation. Judging by the fact that you are trying to move away from this topic on the development of the amphibious forces of the Pacific Fleet, which is not related to the topic of the Kuril attack by the Japanese Navy and the US 7th Fleet, you acknowledge the absence of arguments and the weight of my arguments.

        Regarding your sweet fantasies about the islands of Diego Garcia, you can only notice that they are sideways to the BBO, to the current operational situation in the district. But if some crazy admiral from the Pentagon has a desire to relocate these floating canned goods from Diego Garcia, the operational zone of the 5th US fleet, to the operational zone of the 7th US fleet, then the Russian Navy and the airborne forces have enough time and energy, in order to strengthen the islands in two weeks, transferring there not one or two divisions and sink the canned goods from Diego Garcia. For on Iturup a full runway has already been deployed, capable of accepting any transport vehicles, and on Matua a runway with a length of 1500 m has already been deployed, i.e. Matua ALREADY has an operating airfield with all the equipment, capable of receiving front-line aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces. Attack aircraft and fighters in particular ...

        So your dreams will not come true ....)
        1. MOSKVITYANIN
          MOSKVITYANIN 28 October 2017 22: 22
          0
          askme Well, if it’s clear and you admit that you are portraying awareness in order to reduce the combat readiness of the BBO, not understanding what it is in principle

          Still nervous. I tried to calm your agitated consciousness (since you’re kind in itself, but you took it for weakness) ....
          The exercises revealed a serious problem with air transport. For 10 hours, military aircraft could not take off in Khabarovsk, Major General Benediktov, commander of the military transport aircraft, reported to the Minister of Defense at the meeting.

          2013 article, https://vpk-news.ru/news/16712
          Found fake news from comrades from the former USSR (crush your forehead)
          https://surmasite.wordpress.com/2017/07/24/%D1%8D
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          Some believe that it is necessary to significantly change the grouping of forces and strengthen the Eastern Military District. The command should be carried out in such a way that the soldiers were ready to fight for a long time without outside help if aggression from neighboring countries occurs. However, at the moment, the BBO troops are not ready for such a turn of events. It is in this part that the military-political leadership of Russia should concentrate its main military potentials. After all, it has already been publicly announced that the main region where all military efforts must be made is East Asia. The military potential of Japan and the United States is much higher, therefore, with the possible aggression of these countries, the region becomes vulnerable. As military analyst A. Khramchikhin notes, it is necessary to remove all bases where equipment is stored from the Russian-Chinese border. - Read more on FB.ru: http://fb.ru/article/183688/vostochnyiy-voennyiy-
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          You are cleverly insinuating frank nonsense, you confuse the combat readiness of the territorial association of troops and forces and the military composition of the territorial association of troops and forces. So, exercises are what determines the combat readiness of a territorial association of troops and forces. But the combat composition of the territorial association of troops and forces is not ready for combat readiness.

          By no means.
          Combat readiness (combat readiness)
          The state of military formations (troops, forces), characterizing their ability to start military operations in a timely manner and successfully complete assigned combat missions (final readiness to carry out combat missions).

          From the website of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation http://encyclopedia.mil.ru/encyclopedia/dictionar
          y / details.htm? id = 12667% 40morfDictionary
          So the combat strength, strength and structure of the BBO is relevant to its combat readiness, gee ....
          I’m not going to breed demagoguery about the development of amphibious forces of the Pacific Fleet and the Navy of Japan, because there was a conversation about something else

          Far from it, I only answered your comment in 17: 40:
          The forces in the Kuril Islands are more than enough to deter the Marine Brigade of the Japanese Armed Forces. The remaining possible opponents, before conducting a DESO, will be required for WEEKS pull landing ships from all over the world. During this time, the Russian Armed Forces can repeatedly increase the grouping in the Kuril Islands.

          By the way, Japan (like the Armed Forces) does not have any BrMP, the formation of the Japanese MP is only in plans ... (though in the near future)
          https://topwar.ru/111643-v-yaponii-sozdaetsya-mor
          skaya-pehota.html
          1. askme
            askme 28 October 2017 22: 54
            +2
            BBO alert - condition, yes. And not the composition of the BBO. The condition of the BBO is one thing, and the composition of the BBO is completely different (the only thing that relates to the status of the composition is the correspondence of the actual number of military formations to their staffing). I have no contradictions with the MO - no. You have a complete contradiction. Go to school.

            There is a marine brigade in Japan. Her role is played by a team in Hiroshima.

            To characterize the BBO by articles for the year 2013 is the height of idiocy. Over the past 4 years, these are two different districts. Like the whole army. The difference is huge.

            Etc. etc. Now it is finally clear to everyone that you are a troll, I will say goodbye to you. For your name is legion)
            1. MOSKVITYANIN
              MOSKVITYANIN 28 October 2017 23: 30
              +1
              BBO alert - condition, yes. And not the composition of the BBO. The condition of the BBO is one thing, and the composition of the BBO is completely different (the only thing that relates to the state of the composition is the correspondence of the actual number of military formations to their staffing). I have no contradictions with the MO - no.

              In your opinion, the composition of the force grouping can in no way affect the ability to carry out assigned tasks? To listen to you, a combat-ready battalion tactical group is capable of performing the same tasks as the regimental main thing so that it is more often at shooting ranges ...
              There is a marine brigade in Japan. Her role is played by a team in Hiroshima.

              Can you link? Do not try not to find.
              To characterize the BBO in the articles for the 2013 year is the height of idiocy. Over the past 4 years, these are two different districts.

              How did the new airfields appear? BBO as well as CVO is updated according to the residual principle.

              YES AND FOLLOW YOUR LANGUAGE NOT BEFORE THE BIRTHDAY BAZARIT, I DIDN'T LOOK IN YOUR COMMENTS TO THE ARTICLE, IN YOUR COMMENTS ONE OF INSURANCE, I THINK MODERATORS WILL VALUATE THIS.
        2. zoolu350
          zoolu350 29 October 2017 04: 12
          +2
          As soon as mjskvityanin began to cover the facts about the low density of the troops of the Russian Federation in the Far East, he was immediately identified in the trolls. But the fact is that the grouping of troops of the Russian Federation is not able to repel the strike of the secondary school and Japan due to its small number, even with the use of nuclear weapons (because the secondary school also has it).
  37. askme
    askme 28 October 2017 21: 01
    +1
    Quote: Old26
    With your lips yes honey .... I would like to hope. But it is not always believed in this, if only because of the fact that Eun is sometimes taken apart and even does not pay much attention to his patron in the person of the PRC
    AND! That's all, I understand what your point is. He doesn’t obey the People’s Republic of China .... He does it right, speaking between us ... By and large, the People’s Republic of China is only concerned with its own hegemony and its own ass, with all their rhetoric. And Kim understands this very well. Kim remembers very well how the USSR and the PRC threw them at his grandfather and parent in the military-strategic plan ... As the whole 90s they were threatened by the USA, and the PRC and the Russian Federation were silent by and large. In the DPRK, they learned a lesson that you can only rely on yourself. This is the fault of China and Russia. And for this situation, the Chinese and I are now paying our price. But Kim is not crazy at the same time. This is what matters. He is rational) You can be calm in this regard) Kim is doing everything right from the point of view of the interests of the DPRK and their situation. What everyone else says is their Vision, just ....
  38. DPN
    DPN 28 October 2017 21: 14
    +1
    If something starts, OUR Far East will also get, so everything that can fly in Russia is obliged to fly to the USA, if they want to play war games let them get it.
  39. cuzmin.mihail2013
    cuzmin.mihail2013 28 October 2017 21: 57
    +1
    Med_Dog,
    Just look at the number and armament of parts of the Western and Eastern Front of Germany. And then the Red Army and the “allies” have the same data and compare who advanced faster. Maybe even this will instruct you!
  40. Yuriy_999
    Yuriy_999 28 October 2017 22: 47
    +1
    Well, yes, the 6th tank SS defeated in the Ardennes after 2 months in full force attacked at Balaton.
  41. Yuriy_999
    Yuriy_999 28 October 2017 22: 50
    +1
    ventel,
    Well, yes, the 6th tank SS defeated in the Ardennes after 2 months in full force attacked at Balaton.
    1. ventel
      ventel 29 October 2017 11: 07
      0
      And that in the Ardennes the Germans did not lose equipment and personnel + there were already problems with fuel. Do you think where the released panthers and tigers went to staff the divisions in return for the lost ones, although in some divisions of the Wehrmacht there was already a shortage of tanks.
  42. CARPUHA 74
    CARPUHA 74 29 October 2017 01: 30
    0
    "At the same time, involvement in the war and the United States is possible"
    Pancake! Yes, without you it will not start !!!
  43. White53
    White53 29 October 2017 10: 20
    0
    The DPRK’s armed provocation during the Olympic Games is highly likely! Americans will hide as athletes hostage like a robber!
  44. Firework
    Firework 29 October 2017 11: 58
    +1
    if this happens everyone will be raked! Do not hope that this will not affect you! Do you understand how this conflict can end?
  45. Archon
    Archon 29 October 2017 18: 47
    0
    The victims are worth tens of millions to calculate, and the victims are hundreds of millions. It will not seem a little