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Europe completes its "circle of sansara"

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Looking at the problems of today's Europe and the world, very often involuntarily recall various historical events. "Events" is not as a "fact", but as a historical process, which, sometimes, lasts for many decades, if not centuries.


It is clear that from the point of view of politicians, analysts, and indeed any sane person, it is not reasonable to compare or look for the relationship between today's events and historical events that occurred more than a century ago. After all, the prerequisites and causes, actors and epoch, the “historical cut” are all completely different. The only one thing is the scene: historically similar events, as a rule, take place on the same “arena”. But if you treat these events for a moment as the “circle of samsara” - the repeated cycle of birth and death - then you can find a lot of interesting and, sometimes, funny details.

And we’ll talk about this cycle of history.

Today we will discuss the fall of the Roman Empire (476 year AD) and treat this event not as a fact, but as a process similar to the one that is happening in Europe today.

In the last centuries of its existence, the Roman Empire actually controlled the entire “big Europe” (“big Europe” means the European continent, Asia Minor, the Middle East and North Africa). Rome fell in 476 AD after its capture by the chief of the barbarian mercenary unit Odoacer (to restore historical justice, we note that it was a complicated and complicated story - even an intrigue to overthrow one emperor and “land” in his place of another - but in the end the result was simply a seizure of power).

Barbarians, mercenaries for Rome of that time were common, in recent decades, Rome (as a state) practically ceased to replenish its army by the Romans and hired barbarian mercenaries, creating so-called "federations" - barbarian tribes who received borderlands for their military service. The federations appeared as a military response to the aggression of neighbors, who every year more and more often invaded the Roman lands. At different times they were different neighbors: the Huns, Goths, Vandals, Bulgars, Franks, etc. It is possible to list these tribes for a very long time, but the essence is the same - the Roman Empire, because of a whole complex of problems, decided that it was easier, as Napoleon said, to “feed someone else's army” rather than rebuild one’s own. The degradation of the “Roman war machine” reached such a scale that practically the whole army was either barbarians living in the territory of the Empire, or mercenaries-barbarians, and Rome, respectively, simply could no longer defend themselves.

Naturally, at some point, the mercenary barbarians gained such power with which they could simply usurp power in the country, which is what happened on 4 of September on 476 of the year (by the way, there were several attempts before, both successful and not). power, just Odoacer overthrew the last emperor of Rome, Romulus Augustus, and became the first king of Italy).

And here you can make a very interesting comparison: today the state of the armed forces of European countries leaves, to put it mildly, much to be desired. In Europe of the 21st century, it is possible, as the saying goes, "to count on one hand" countries with a really strong army: Turkey, France, Great Britain, with a stretch Germany and Italy, and, behold, the list ended.

According to the Europeans, in terms of coexistence next to objectively, the aggressive neighbors represented by Russia, Iran, ISIL (banned in the Russian Federation), most European countries have chosen, let's call it that, “the Roman way of protection”. Of course, no one creates "fedets", as Rome did, and does not invite barbarians (perhaps, taking into account the flows of migrants, we can say: not yet inviting!), But Europe is happy to feed the NATO army (mainly the US army, or "cross" - the Baltic countries and Poland - Germany, etc.), not theirs. Of course, there are objective reasons, ranging from historical, economic and ending with the fact that “feeding someone else's army” is easier than developing your own, and less responsible.

Accordingly, the situation sooner or later will simply repeat historically - the United States, represented by NATO, realizes that the EU does not have a real army, and since there is no military force, why should we consider this phenomenon?

And if now the EU can still oppose any decisions of the United States, then the situation may soon change drastically. By the way, we note that the "guests" in foreign territories military units mainly conduct exercises not with the army, and police tasks!

Another very interesting historical, to some extent associated with the employed by barbarians, the factor of comparison of Rome with the current situation is the corruption of the society of the Roman Empire.
The Roman Empire, or rather the Roman society was built on a variety of postulates, one of which was the status of a “citizen”. Every citizen of Rome (in the presence of multiple rights: from immunity to the right to vote) was obliged to defend his country, and this was considered an honor and a supreme good.

At some point, Roman citizenship - the desired right to which everyone aspired, was given to all free citizens of Rome (the term “citizen” meant all living free people in the empire). This was made by Cetimius Caracalla (in orbe romano qui sunt, cives romani effecti sunt) in 212 year (to restore historical justice: this date cannot be considered unequivocal since there were a number of reforms that consolidated the new position of citizens). Interestingly, some historians consider this event a turning point in Roman history.

Nota bene in the fields: one of the main privileges of a citizen of Rome was the right to defend his country in the event of war, and it is important (!) That it was a privilege, not an obligation. Accordingly, this status simply lost its sacral meaning, which subsequently led to a religious and civilizational crisis, general cultural decline (including in literature, and in art, and music) and the subsequent barbarization of the empire. Simply put: nothing new was created, and the old was destroyed.

But, most importantly, Roman society became divided in religious terms. The barbarians brought their cults, and the Roman cult lost its popularity, but the most important thing was the birth of Christianity, which finally divided Rome.

The emergence of Christianity throughout the Roman Empire gave rise to the struggle of paganism with a new religion. We will not go into the details of the persecutions of Christians (and later the persecutions of Christians against pagans), but let's say that the confrontation ended with the edict of Milan (313 year AD), which declared toleration throughout the Roman Empire, while creating a certain religious vacuum - paganism has already lost, but Christianity has not yet won.

By the way, the edict spawned many atheists for whom the religious question was not important at all.

It should be noted here that the Roman society was built, first of all, on patriotism, on belief in the Roman pantheon of the gods, and not on any other, and on the special status of a citizen of Rome. As soon as all this was lost, the Roman identity was destroyed.
And here again involuntarily comes to mind the present - the XXI century.
Today, European society is divided, both religiously and culturally.

In the field of religion in Europe, things are bad - there is a clear vector for the atheization of Europe. Which, taking into account history, means the focus on the destruction of the foundations of European society, since it is Christian values ​​that lie in the foundations of European society. And one can argue a lot about the fact that European society ceased to be Christian after the French revolution - liberté égalité fraternité - and the century of humanism, where man was declared the highest value, but, in fact, the values ​​did not change much over the centuries. Today, there is a departure from historical ideals. And this led, as in the Roman era, to a religious vacuum: European Christianity in the person of Protestants of all stripes (namely, Protestantism determines the capitalist mentality) has historically lost (the term “lost” is not quite correct, rather “discredited” itself), at least by allowing same-sex marriages, in addition to destroying traditional family values ​​that are more important for Europeans, in addition to religious ones. The new “emanation” of European Christianity has not yet arrived and is unlikely to come. And because of the huge number of migrants, it is very likely that the future European religion is Islam.

In fact, the process of the corruption of Rome and its subsequent barbarization did not end with cultural and religious decline, it is a very complex and multifaceted process that lasted not just a decade, but several centuries. But more about that another time.

The examples of Rome and today's Europe, which are so different and at the same time similar, give us reason for thinking: is history really cyclical and everything returns to normal?
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  1. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 28 October 2017 06: 49 New
    +9
    By the way, we note that the military units “visiting” in foreign territories mainly conduct exercises not with army but with police tasks!
    Tell that to the NATO pilots or tankers who are constantly training somewhere. Let's say what kind of police tasks does the NATO Air Police perform at very low altitudes? Are they learning to chase the partisans, or are they preparing to crack the enemy’s strong air defense? And there’s a bunch of such examples, there’s a site where detailed photo reports from their many exercises are constantly being laid out. And I’m ready to say that they work out the attack and defense against a well-equipped enemy, that is us dear.
    1. Baydak
      28 October 2017 10: 35 New
      +2
      I meant that not only military but also police tasks are being worked out ..
      1. Spnsr
        Spnsr 28 October 2017 22: 36 New
        +1
        In my opinion, if we draw an analogy, then Rome should be taken as the basis, and it should be understood that the barbarians that make up the army are the countries of Europe, but for one reason or another, the population of Europe is somewhat not ready to fulfill the duties of military service!
        But from here an analogy arises, with some kind of constant periodicity, but in which no barbarians climb to capture Rome, and rowing Romans climb to conquer the Third Rome. And sometimes they make attempts to weaken it by tearing off parts of this world! ...
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 28 October 2017 23: 24 New
          0
          Quote: SpnSr
          then Rome should be taken as a basis

          An analogue of Washington in ancient times is Carthage and not Rome.
          1. Spnsr
            Spnsr 28 October 2017 23: 45 New
            +1
            Quote: Setrac
            Quote: SpnSr
            then Rome should be taken as a basis

            An analogue of Washington in ancient times is Carthage and not Rome.

            Because it must be destroyed?
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 29 October 2017 00: 04 New
              +1
              Quote: SpnSr
              Because it must be destroyed?

              Because it is just as lying, unprincipled and immoral.
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 28 October 2017 07: 11 New
    0
    Today we will discuss the fall of the Roman Empire (476 A.D.) and we will treat this event not as a fact, but as a process similar to that what is happening in Europe today.

    ... I have slight doubts about the fact of any connection between the events indicated by the author ... far-fetched ...
    so you can reason, and draw a historical conclusion, as you wish ...
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 28 October 2017 09: 48 New
      +2
      Odoacer overthrew the last emperor of Rome, Romulus Augustus, and became the first king of Italy)
      "in an inextricable historical process" should be indicated and supporters of the division of the Roman Empire from the "Senate and the aristocracy" into parts.
      Not the mercenaries themselves decided everything for the "oligarchs"
    2. Baydak
      28 October 2017 10: 36 New
      +2
      It is clear that from the point of view of politicians, analysts, and any sane person, it is not reasonable to compare or search for the relationship between today's events and historical events that took place more than a century ago. ..... But if for a moment we treat these events as the “circle of samsara" - the repeated cycle of birth and death - then you can find many interesting and sometimes funny details.

      Quote from the second paragraph
  3. Cat Marquis
    Cat Marquis 28 October 2017 07: 33 New
    +3
    It seems that this is not Eurorol, but all of humanity completes the "circle of Samsara."
    1. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 28 October 2017 10: 33 New
      +1
      No need to bury Humanity
      Everything will be fine
      The Fifth Race on Earth is Over. The Sixth and Seventh Races Have Been Born laughing laughing
  4. samarin1969
    samarin1969 28 October 2017 07: 36 New
    +7
    The author has chosen an analogy method. ... Well, here it’s rather, “the eternal city of New York,” and Europeans are Hellenistic states under the umbrella of the “Roman” NATO ... The most interesting question is who will be those “barbarians” who will bury the Empire on both sides of the ocean .. .. ??? ... Some kind of explosive death of races with a machete and "Kalash" ...
    ps The main thing is that the "Third Rome" stand - and there let them "frolic."
    1. ukoft
      ukoft 28 October 2017 07: 50 New
      +2
      Well then, Russia is Parthia or Sassanid Iran.
      although the Soviet Union is more like the Sasanian Iran. also such an integral, monolithic and powerful state. both in culture and in everything self-sufficient.
      and if Rome is New York. then probably, instead of the Roman Empire, there should have been a Tarentic or Sracusian empire. after all, the Romans are autochthons and not emigrants from Hellas
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 28 October 2017 07: 58 New
        +2
        About Parthia I agree ...: good (Crassus just didn't notice wink ) ...
        Historians gradually find confirmation of the legend that Rome was founded by emigrants from Troy (like the States and its Senate) ... wink
        1. venaya
          venaya 28 October 2017 12: 41 New
          +3
          Quote: samarin1969
          Historians gradually find confirmation of the legend that Rome was founded by immigrants from Troy

          If you take a closer look at their samples of fine art, it turns out that representatives of many peoples lived there. Another thing is that the autochthons (indigenous people) of these places can only be called venets, of which I was once again convinced when communicating with the Swiss.
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 28 October 2017 09: 44 New
        +2
        Well then, Russia is Parthia or Sassanid Iran.
        = ---- and who is Mazdak here?
    2. Spnsr
      Spnsr 28 October 2017 22: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: samarin1969
      The author has chosen an analogy method. ... Well, here it’s rather, “the eternal city of New York,” and Europeans are Hellenistic states under the umbrella of the “Roman” NATO ... The most interesting question is who will be those “barbarians” who will bury the Empire on both sides of the ocean .. .. ??? ... Some kind of explosive death of races with a machete and "Kalash" ...
      ps The main thing is that the "Third Rome" stand - and there let them "frolic."

      If you look for an analogy, then for some reason I also have similar associations! And I share with you my wishes, the main thing is that the “Third Rome” stand
  5. Alekst
    Alekst 28 October 2017 07: 58 New
    +1
    Gumilyov was somewhat right.
  6. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 28 October 2017 08: 18 New
    +1
    The decline of European civilization has recently been seen with the naked eye. On the one hand, let them rot further than to be afraid of them. And on the other hand, if Arabs with blacks take power there? And there is atomic weapons.
  7. Krasnyiy komissar
    Krasnyiy komissar 28 October 2017 09: 15 New
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    Unfortunately, Russia has adopted a lot of bad things from geyropa. Yes, we do not have tolerance for homosexuals and other degenerates, but "barbarians" are added every year. The political leadership turns a blind eye to the gradual erosion of the Russian people by foreigners, and after all, Russians are the core of the state. I do not want to see the caliphate in Russia, so tough decisions are needed. The radicalization of Islam plays into our hands, allowing us to justify any power actions. Firepower is still on our side, but the problem of Islamism will increase every year.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 28 October 2017 10: 51 New
      +6
      Quote: Krasnyiy komissar
      Yes, we do not have tolerance for homosexuals and other degenerates, but "barbarians" are added every year.

      You are wrong. This and their land is the same. The USSR has not gone anywhere.
      Quote: Krasnyiy komissar
      the problem of Islamism will increase every year

      Let me remind you that Muslims make up a tenth of all living indigenous residents of Russia. Do not like it - multiply.
      1. Krasnyiy komissar
        Krasnyiy komissar 28 October 2017 11: 20 New
        +7
        Russia is not their land! If you wanted independence from the Russians, get it! If we oppressed them, then why are they coming here? Where is their national pride? It is time for the Russians to throw out all Russophobic trash from the country, as some "democratic" countries do. We need to take an example from Japan, where more than 95% of the population are ethnic Japanese. Yes, many peoples live in Russia, but their republics are part of the Russian Federation. Those who have separated from us should no longer go to us as to their homes. It’s time to show teeth to the overt aliens! Kyrgyzstan has already begun to celebrate the uprising against the Republic of Ingushetia in 1916, in Kazakhstan it’s also going to the Ukrainian scenario, in Tajikistan Russian names for newborns are forbidden, dill and tilers are not mentioned and there is nothing to say - the blood of peaceful Russian people that should be washed away only with their blood !
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 28 October 2017 15: 20 New
          +3
          Quote: Krasnyiy komissar
          It's time for the Russians to throw out all the Russophobic trash from the country

          Your mistake in not understanding the definition of who the Russians are.
          Russian is one who has risen above the needs of a single tribe and its concern for welfare extends to all citizens living in the multinational and many confessional territories of Russian civilization. The task of the Russians is to raise the worldview of various tribes to a general civilizational one. This is a global task. This is the future of the entire civilization of the Earth.
          You, separating the Russians into a separate clan, cease to be Russian and strive to lower your and our identity in the Stone Age.
          1. Krasnyiy komissar
            Krasnyiy komissar 28 October 2017 16: 02 New
            +3
            It is time to end with messianism and pay attention to the needs of the Russian people. Why do we have to sacrifice ourselves for the sake of foreigners, who will then pour shit on us? Why are we saving those who genuinely hate us from genocide? The whole history of Russia suggests that foreigners always stabbed us in the back at critical moments for us. We must strive to ensure that the United Arab Emirates envy our standard of living, and Switzerland nervously smokes on the sidelines.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 28 October 2017 16: 30 New
              0
              Quote: Krasnyiy komissar
              It is time to end with messianism and pay attention to the needs of the Russian people. Why should we sacrifice ourselves for foreigners

              Look at how many "foreigners" in the land of Russian civilization. If we expel everyone - who will stay then? What tribe will you be from?

              1. Krasnyiy komissar
                Krasnyiy komissar 28 October 2017 18: 30 New
                +1
                On the paternal side, my ancestors were all Russian, my maternal grandfather was half Pole, but he considered himself a Russian.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 28 October 2017 18: 47 New
                  0
                  Judging by the flag, you are from the Donbass and it means that no one else should understand that it is cut to life. Russia today consists of 24 republics - if they suddenly want to determine themselves - how much blood will be shed when determining the boundaries of each of them?
                  It is necessary to work for unification, not for separation.
                  1. Krasnyiy komissar
                    Krasnyiy komissar 28 October 2017 19: 19 New
                    0
                    I come from Donetsk, who wants to forcibly junta the junta. One hundred years ago, Donbass was part of the Republic of Ingushetia, but the desire of the Bolsheviks to appease the Nazi elite of Little Russia led to the formation of a new people - the so-called Ukrainians. The authorities in Moscow often themselves provoke separatism in the regions, belittling the Russian population to please the national minorities. It makes no sense! Why should a country where 80% of Russians have to make concessions to nationalities? 20% never beat 80% in open conflict.
                    1. Spnsr
                      Spnsr 28 October 2017 23: 20 New
                      0
                      Are you talking about?
                      I am surrounded by Tatars, Mari, Chuvash, periodically have to communicate with almost all the nations of the USSR ...
                      Behave with dignity, and no one will tell you bad, and the youngest will give way to ...
                      And your ideology will only push you to neglect you, and not only Russians, but also those who are near you, simply because you limit yourself and push others to be limited to small-town nationality.
          2. To be or not to be
            To be or not to be 28 October 2017 17: 45 New
            +1
            Russian President Vladimir Putin: “We have over 80% of the population - these are Russians, and this, of course, is a state that forms a people both in a cultural sense and in terms of just population. But Russia is strong in that it is multinational and multiconfessional. This means that everyone must comply with our laws in the same conditions with the same approach and everyone must bear the same responsibility for violating these laws, regardless of national, ethnic and religious affiliation. ”
          3. Spnsr
            Spnsr 28 October 2017 22: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: Boris55
            You, separating the Russians into a separate clan, cease to be Russian and strive to lower your and our identity in the Stone Age.

            I would say, limit the Russian World to a village into which it can break up with this approach, and plunge it into the chaos of war and strife! And we already saw this in 90, when it came to the point that the streets were killing each other on the street! ...
          4. Setrac
            Setrac 28 October 2017 23: 28 New
            0
            Quote: Boris55
            Your mistake in not understanding the definition of who the Russians are.

            As the "former compatriots" like to pay attention to, the Russian is an adjective, and the names of all nations are nouns, so I always answer - and the names of all races are adjectives.
            Russians are not a nation, Russians are a race.
  8. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 28 October 2017 09: 45 New
    +1
    The author ... Do not confuse the warm with the soft, intelligent person is not to face. It is very reminiscent of the nonsense of historians, in whom a hat, an umbrella and a religion follow from two and two. What is the destruction of an empire by barbarians? This is when an organized structure disintegrates under the blows of chaotic external forces, not being able to maintain integrity by its own means. Decay products begin to live, some in the forest, some for firewood, some for girls, trying to organize on a new one at the level at which a viable system will turn out, albeit small but already tenacious, unlike the deceased mother.
    What's going on? There is a capture of a strange motley bunch that initially completely does not understand how to organize something working, organized by a structure of a higher order. That is, the American oligarchic cryptocracy. This is not a collapse, and certainly not an empire. This is a different process, much more dangerous. Fortunately, the United States is also mortally sick, their democracy, a deadly weapon invented exclusively against an external enemy, affects them even more seriously (and they thought that only other countries could be destroyed by this rubbish, and they themselves are safe).
    The CONSTRUCTIONS of the empire will not work out for them; it will not work out what they are doing. At least it won’t work out without a huge, bloody, suicidal war.
  9. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 30 October 2017 07: 25 New
    0
    If the parallel is drawn to the end, then it would not be bad to recall that not just Rome fell apart, but in its place barbarian kingdoms arose in all respects. A selfish, selfish consumer society will disintegrate, and survivors of the collapse will have to get bread literally in the sweat of their faces. And no one will care about all kinds of tolerance. Sodomites will move from palaces and parliaments to where they belong, that is, they will become a microscopic layer of mentally disabled and criminal elements.

    Unfortunately, New Odacre is not yet visible on the horizon.
  10. Arkady Gaidar
    Arkady Gaidar 31 October 2017 13: 18 New
    0
    I think the article is unfinished. Parallels are weak, conclusions are not drawn.
    So modern Europeans have already lost their ardor for new conquests and enrichment due to this. Giving the palm to the USA. Therefore, about the mattresses and say "international policeman." And this is no secret to anyone. And Europe simply pays for its security to the stronger. When Russia becomes the greatest and most powerful, I will assume that Europe will agree and begin to pay Russia. In the meantime, the United States pays and lives for pleasure. And the Roman Empire could not afford "such happiness." So, this casket just opens))
    If the author wanted to look into prospects, then he is far from alone in this:
    https://topwar.ru/109142-pokorenie-evropy.html
    https://publizist.ru/blogs/110700/20577/-