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Secrets of the commander Mikhail Frunze

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Mikhail Vasilyevich Frunze is one of the few, and perhaps the only one of the leaders of the Bolsheviks, who has not been subjected to defamation in "democratic" Russia. The author is unaware of the renaming of streets, metro stations, the demolition of his monuments. Naturally, we are talking about Russia. In Ukraine, monuments are being demolished to all Russians, including Kutuzov and Pushkin.


IDEAL BOLSHEVIK

Mikhail Frunze was born in 1885 in Pishpek (now Bishkek). This is followed by an ideal biography for the Bolshevik.

In 1904, he entered the St. Petersburg Polytechnic Institute, joined the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party. In November, for the first time he was arrested for his revolutionary ideas.

On Bloody Sunday, 9, January 1905, participated in a demonstration on Palace Square in St. Petersburg, was wounded in the arm. Later, Mikhail Vasilyevich recognized that it was this event that led him to the "generals from the revolution."

During the years of the revolution 1905 – 1907 led the party work in Moscow, since May - in Ivanovo-Voznesensk and Shuya (under the pseudonym Comrade Arseny), a member of the committee of the RSDLP. One of the leaders of the Ivanovo-Voznesensk general strike of textile workers (May - July, 1905). At the head of the military squad of Ivanovo-Voznesensky and Shuya workers participated in the December Xprx armed uprising in Moscow. In 1905, the delegate of the IV Congress of the RSDLP in Stockholm from the Ivanovo-Voznesensk district organization.

For the murder of police 23 September 1910 of the year, as indicated by Wikipedia, "sentenced to death, replaced under pressure from public opinion on 6 years of hard labor. After being imprisoned in Vladimir, Nikolaev and Alexandrovsky penal prisons in March, 1914 was sent to the permanent settlement in the village of Manzurka of the Irkutsk province ”.

And here I do not understand anything. Under Stolypin, people were executed by the thousands, often for nonsense.

Here, for example, 18 December 1906, a bomb exploded in the room of the Kiev hotel “Kupecheskaya”. It was prepared by the terrorist Garsky. After an accidental explosion, he escaped, but his injured 16-year-old girlfriend was captured by gendarmes. Evidence of guilt girls no! But she was sentenced to be hanged, replacing the penalty later with eternal penal servitude. And so Fanny Kaplan was serving on penal servitude until February 1917.

What kind of "public" saved Frunze? Bolsheviks? They did not lift a finger, for which they are exposed by the current "democratic" authors.

Mikhail Vasilyevich was saved by his sister Lyudmila, who wrote a letter to Professor Maxim Kovalevsky. His efforts replace the death sentence at first with six years in prison, and just four years after the sentence was passed, Frunze went to fresh air in Siberian exile. It is curious why the “royal satraps” did not act so liberally with other terrorists and the worst enemies of the empire?

MASONSKY TRACK

I was not lazy and inquired. Maxim Maksimovich Kovalevsky was not only a professor, but also a member of seven (!) Masonic lodges, including “Capitul Astraea”, “Polar Star”, “Revival”, etc. He had extensive connections with foreign Freemasonry. In July, 1906 headed the Duma delegation at the International Inter-Parliamentary Conference in London. In 1907, he was elected a member of the Council of State. But this is serious!

In August, 1915, our hero runs, or maybe just leaves (?) From exile to Chita.

There incognito (the name has not yet been clarified) provides him with a passport in the name of VG Vasilenko.

Frunze works as a statistician at the Migration Board and at the same time as the editor of the Zabaikalskoe Obzorie newspaper. I will note, the newspaper is legal - you cannot lead revolutionary propaganda.

In March, 1916, Frunze goes to Moscow with a passport in the name of P.S. Bagrina. Then he arrives in Petrograd, where the parents of his friend Mikhail Alexandrovich Mikhailov allegedly give him a son's passport. Mikhailov de sent a subpoena to the army, but he disappeared somewhere. Well, Frunze calmly takes that passport, without fear that he will be detained for desertion in time of war.

In December, the 1915 of the Frunze year leaves for the Western Front. In what capacity and for what purpose - история is silent. But already in April, 1916, Mr. Mikhailov works as a statistician in the Office of the Zemstvo Union of the Western Front. I note that the Zemstvo Union was under the complete control of the Masonic lodges. Personnel trained personnel for the future administration of the Provisional Government. And this good deed was done mainly due to the budget of the Russian Empire.

I would have tried Frunze to conduct a Bolshevik agitation in the Zemstvo Union, they would have been expelled from Zemgusars in an instant and sent to the front line or "to places not so distant."

Soviet sources claimed that the 4 of March 1917 of the year, the Bolshevik Frunze, headed the workers' militia of the city of Minsk. A small amendment: I myself saw a photocopy of the document, where it was said: “March 10, an employee of the Zemstvo Union, Mikhail Mikhaylov, was appointed the head of the Zemstvo police department (!) In the city of Minsk”. And these are “two big differences” - the Soviet workers' militia and the militia, created by the Provisional Government and controlled by freemasons.

Interestingly, from 1910 to the spring of 1917, neither Soviet nor anti-Soviet sources mention any contacts of Frunze with the Bolsheviks or even with the Mensheviks. Only by the autumn of 1917, comrade Frunze guesses where the “trunk line” of Russian history passes.

CRIMEAN HISTORY

For success on the fronts of the September 20 Civil War 1920, Frunze was appointed commander of the Southern Front. He was tasked with ending the year with Baron Wrangel. And now the troops of the Southern Front under the command of Frunze break through the line of field fortifications of Wrangel on the Crimean isthmuses. Concrete constructions on Perekop existed only on the pages of Soviet and emigre publications.

On November 11, the battle for the Crimean isthmuses was completely over, whites fled and no longer offered resistance. Well, what do the "red heroes"? After all, they had two whole cavalry armies and several separate cavalry units. Total 40 – 45 thousand sabers, 57 armored cars and several hundred trucks.

Chop whites in cabbage! So it was, but only in the movies. See “Two comrades served”, “Running”, etc. There horse lava red cavalry smash retreating white carts, beautiful cavalry felling of red and white. In "Run" on the pier in Sevastopol Artbuchte, fleeing Wrangelmen shoot from the Maximov at the red cavalry rushing towards them.

However, after the White positions on Perekop and Ishuni, the Red divisions ... disappear from the Soviet and current "democratic" sources from the middle of the 1930's and until the beginning of the XXI century. Official Soviet and liberal sources immediately go from storming Perekop to evacuating whites. Emigrant authors wrote about this period briefly and unclearly. General Slashchev wrote: "The Reds did not press, and the withdrawal took place in peacetime conditions." More, while in the USSR, he could not write.

Compare with the opinion of the modern “democratic” author: “However, it was not possible to prevent the evacuation. The Reds were also exhausted by the battle (at Perekop. - A.Sh.), losing 10 thousands of people. They were able to start the pursuit only in a day. The whites have broken away from them. ”

In fact, what happened unprecedented in the history of wars. The army, which had multiple superiority in personnel, broke through the enemy defenses and went out into the operational area, suddenly stopped.

According to the encyclopedia "Civil War and Military Intervention in the USSR" (Moscow, 1983), by the beginning of the assault Frunze had 146 thousand bayonets and 40 thousand sabers, and Wrangel had 23 thousand bayonets and 12 thousand sabers.

As for the losses, according to the Frunze report, the losses of the armies (6 field, 1 and 2 horse) of the Southern front in the battles over Crimea in the autumn of 1920 amounted to all 10 344 people - killed, wounded, missing and so forth (see table).

I note that this is a loss not only in the battle for Perekop, but also in previous battles in the fall of 1920. The Makhnovists are not included in the table.

Note that of the 40 thou. Red cavalry, the vast majority did not participate in the battles for Perekop at all. Behind Ishun, whites did not have any fortifications all the way to the Crimean ports. Wrangel, however, was going to defend Sevastopol along the line of fortifications 1854 – 1855, but things didn’t go further than idle chatter.

Portions of the whites fled to where — to Evpatoria, Sevastopol, Yalta, Theodosia, and Kerch. It is not difficult to guess that the red cavalry literally rushed into battle. They did not have enough ammunition, food, families were starving at home. And ahead was literally Klondike.

Ah, all the same, all the riches of the whites would go to the Red Army! Only a well-groomed professor of the history department can argue this way. But in fact, other parts, the Crimean Tatars, partisans, etc., could have taken the booty away.

Nevertheless, after a breakthrough in the steppe Crimea, Frunze ordered both cavalry armies to rest. It turns out some nonsense.

The famous émigré historian Vasily Pavlov wrote: “The last battle of the Russian army units ended on the 18 of 30 in October (12 in November)”. 2 Cavalry Army Commander Philip Mironov echoed him: “The Second Horse's battle near the Kurman-Kemelchi station was the last battle of the Soviet troops in the Crimea. And we have the right to say that the last guns that spoke in the Crimea were the guns of the Second cavalry army. The last dying ray of the sun witnessed the last artillery shot of the red 12 of November 1920 of the year. ”

AVIATION And the fleet is idle

The most curious thing is that from November 11 red aircraft ceased to fly. Frunze had a 51 operational aircraft in the Perekop area, including the four-engine Ilya Muromets four-engined bombers. In his memoirs, the red volelet Aleksey Tumansky claimed that 8 of September 1920 of the year on “Murom” he flew beyond Dzhankoy, and there at the airfield Fedorovka destroyed four De Haviland bomber.

Let's leave the destroyed "De Havillands" on Tumansky's conscience. The main thing for us is that the Reds flew behind Dzhankoy even before the assault on Perekop. In the "History of the Soviet Army Air Force" (Moscow, 1954) it is said: "The Soviet pilots made over a thousand sorties with Wrangel's troops with a total raid over 2 thousands of hours."

Later, Frunze praised: “After the Soviet divisions broke into the Crimea, I ordered the front aviation officer V.Yu. Jungmeister will organize strikes against enemy ships in the ports of Yevpatoria, Theodosius, Yalta and Sevastopol in order to prevent him from evacuating his troops by sea. ”

A "villain" Jungmeisetr did not fly into the air a single aircraft, while Wrangel safely left for Constantinople. Yes, for such a thing - to the revtribunal and against the wall! And Jungmeister went on increasing. So Comrade Frunze, to put it mildly, is cunning.

There was another opportunity to prevent the evacuation of the Wrangel troops. In September, the first Soviet submarine AG-1920 entered service in Nikolaev 23. The boat of the newest design, is made in Canada and collected in Nikolaev. Its armament: 4 nasal 457-mm torpedo tubes and one 47-mm gun. The range of the boat - 2700 miles, surface speed - 12,8 node.

Thus, AG-23 could catch any Wrangel ship on the surface, including the battleship General Alekseev, which actually launched 6 – 7 units. And the cruising range allowed her to cruise in the Black Sea for a whole month. Meanwhile, Frunze ordered to send the AG-23 into the sea only on November 12! And she went to sea only 13-th. 15 November AG-23 has already cruised off Sevastopol, but the whites have long been gone.

Secrets of the commander Mikhail Frunze


The rhetorical question is why the commander-in-chief of Frunze ordered the launch of the boat into the sea only on November 12, when the first ships with the Wrangelians were already leaving Sevastopol? Well, Mikhail Vasilievich overslept! Forgot about the boat. So November 12 could be ordered to go not to Sevastopol, but to the Bosphorus. The boat would surely surpass the Wrangel armada and sink several ships. But the main thing - panic among inexperienced naval officers and sailors (among the latter there were no more than 10% of professionals) would inevitably lead to rams and navigation accidents. Well, "under the guise of" some vessels could turn around in Sevastopol.

In Stalin's time, Comrade Frunze for such a thing would have landed in the NKVD. And there was not even an investigation into the omissions of the 1 and 2 of the cavalry armies, aviation and submarine AG-23.

October 23 (November 4) ships of the Red Azov flotilla tried to go to the Sea of ​​Azov, but could not because of freezing. But 16 flotilla aircraft? Who prevented them from bombing the whites? Ice too?

The width of the Kerch Strait from 4,5 to 15 km. Why didn't the aviation of the red Caucasian army bomb white ships and the ports of Kerch and Theodosia?

In April, 1920, in the captured Novorossiysk by the Reds, was created the “Sea Forces of the Eastern Black Sea”. They consisted of Turkish gunboats “Aydin Reis” and “Preveza” and several armed merchant ships. They naturally could not intercept the white fleet, but at night they could put up minefields in the areas of Kerch and Feodosia. Moreover, the order to start mine performances from Moscow arrived, but someone on the ground canceled it.

And now I will make a small digression, which is interesting to us both from the point of view of the struggle for the Crimea, and from the point of view of the capabilities of the 9 Army aviation, based on the Taman Peninsula.

May 1920 of the year began with raids of red airplanes on the Kerch Peninsula. The 9 th Kuban army consisted of 4 th, 34 th, 35 th and 37 th reconnaissance units, which were based in Ekaterinodar. Of these, the Combined Combat Division, which flew as a part of several aircraft to the airfield near Temryuk, was allocated. This part was armed with Sopvichi, Newpore-17 and captured De Havillands.

In the summer of 1920, the Red War bombers regularly bombed the city of Kerch and the white battleship Rostislav in the Kerch Strait. The latter had no progress and was used as a floating battery. White newspapers painted the terrible scene of the bombing of the city "red devils."

A natural question arises, why didn’t the Crimean warriors bombed the port and ships during the evacuation of Wrangel in November? Was there a long booze? Gone on vacation? Or received a criminal order Frunze not interfere with the evacuation of Wrangel?

And in general, there was some kind of fantastic action. Why in 1919 – 1920, 1 and 2, the cavalry armies showed miracles of heroism and made deep raids to the rear of the enemy; Red warfare before 11 November; 1920 regularly bombed the Crimea; the Red Army on the Caspian Sea, near Odessa and Ochakov, as well as on the Sea of ​​Azov, laid about 5 thousand mines, on which dozens of white and interventionist ships were blown up.

But after November 11 they all became mediocre and lazy.

COLLUSION

Obviously, there was an agreement between Frunze and the French command in the person of Admiral Carl Dumeneil. Later, the French claimed that Dumenil threatened to bombard Sevastopol or other ports of the Black Sea. But in any case, the French could not seriously damage the shelling. The shelling of cities would be the biggest ideological victory of the Bolsheviks both in Russia and in Western Europe, and the French government would have serious trouble with its own people.

So, Frunze and his chief Trotsky made a criminal mistake. The destruction of Wrangel's army in the Crimea and the seizure of at least half of the fleet would drastically change the further course of history. It was possible not to send 2 million rubles to Mustafa Kemal. gold and even more so not to give the Kara region. Britain and France would have lost their trump card - the 60-thousand white army "in exile" and would quickly normalize relations with Soviet Russia, etc. etc.

So, after the breakthrough of the Perekop fortifications, the 1-I and 2-I mounted armies, which barely participated in the battles, were put to rest. I read the memoirs of a combat participant published in 1920's. An orderly resorts to Budyonny somewhere at Dzhankoy: “Simferopol on the wire! - What, whites surrender thought up? “No, Simferopol Revkom asks, where did the 1-I horse go?”

During the rest of the Reds, the Wrangelians broke away from them for two day transitions. All without exception Tankswho participated in the battles were loaded onto railway platforms and sent to the rear. Later, the Reds will capture five tanks in Feodosia and seven in Sevastopol, since the White did not know how to load tanks on ships.

November 10 (October 28) in Simferopol Partisan Detachment A. Skripnichenko and the workers of the factory "Anatra" revolted and seized power in the city. The Revolutionary Committee headed by a member of the underground Bolshevik Regional Committee V.S. Vasiliev (subordinate commander of the Crimean rebel army AV Mokrousov).

And only on November 13 in 18.00 the units of the 2 Cavalry Army entered Simferopol. The funny thing is that according to the plan, Frunze Simferopol should have taken the 1-I horse. As a result, Semyon Budyonny, with his advanced units, arrived at Simferopol 15 (!) In November and was extremely indignant when he saw the 2 th cavalry army of Mironov. So, in the capital of Crimea, the 3,5 of the day was ruled by the Revolutionary Committee, then for two days - by the Revolutionary Committee together with the command of the 2 horse. Until now, historians can not understand what 5,5 days (working week) was engaged in Semen Mikhailovich with his famous 1-th horse army?

“Just think, five days!” The theoreticians grin on the soft couch, grinning. But look at the map of the Crimea. From Dzhankoy to Simferopol 87 km! For the Soviet cavalry, forced day march in 100 km is not a problem. I'm not talking about the "Suvorov crossings", and not cavalry, but infantry.

A typical example. October 20 1942 of the Year near Stalingrad The 4 Cavalry Corps was introduced into the breakthrough. During the day, he passed about 70 km over rough terrain. And with the battles with German troops, and not pursuing fleeing Wrangel.

Well, in Sevastopol, already November 11 (October 29), panic began. Wrangell allegedly ordered not to destroy. Whether there was such an order, but officers ignored him, or is this another lie of the baron, I do not know. In any case, the white tactics of the scorched earth continued. Railway stations were turned out to be out of order, arrows, trains at full speed were driven into a dead end or dumped into the water. The latter took place in Sevastopol in Kilen bay. By the way, in almost the same way, the Germans destroyed the locomotives and wagons at the same place in April 1944 of the year.

November 13 (October 31) in the Sevastopol Bay rose French heavy cruiser Waldeck Russo and the destroyer. On the same day, November 13, by General Wrangel, High Commissioner Count de Martel and Admiral Dumenille, a convention was signed, according to which the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Army "transfers his army, navy and his supporters under the patronage of France, offering France as a payment the proceeds from the sale and civilian fleet. "

In the port is feverishly loading ships. Loaded already and counterintelligence. Meanwhile, in the center of Sevastopol in 100 meters from the South Bay in the house number 2 on Pushkinskaya street gathered communists, left SRs and anarchists of Sevastopol. After a brief discussion, the first Sevastopol Revolutionary Committee was elected: Ivanov (chairman), Golubev (deputy), Kozlov, Knorus - all communists, Kozlov (left SR), Tverdunov (anarchist) and Kirlas (left SR).

And on November 14 the first issue of the newspaper “Bulletin of the Revolutionary Committee” (edited by Novoretsky) was released. Only six issues of the newspaper were published.

At the same time, an order of the Revolutionary Committee No. 2 was issued on the appointment of the commandants of the Sevastopol fortress and the head of the garrison of Sergei Knorus, and the head of the city’s security, Pivovarov.

By orders No. 3 and No. 5, merchants were asked to open stores and shops and resume normal trading.

And where is our heroic baron all this time? Sits on the suitcases in the hotel "Kist" literally 30 meters from the pier.

Only 14 November in 14 h. 50 min. Baron Wrangel boarded the “General Kornilov” cruiser. The cruiser raised anchors and left Sevastopol Bay, escorted by the cruiser “Waldeck Russo” and the destroyer “Algerian”.

Well, the Red Army arrived in Sevastopol only on November 15. It is curious that the large armored car “Harford” called the “Antichrist” drove into the city first.

Lying illiterate filmmakers. There were no fights for the city. Budyonny himself acknowledged this in his memoirs “The Traveled Path”: “At dawn, Klement Efremovich and I drove to Simferopol. They drove into the city, on the streets are Wrangle soldiers on the streets. All are dressed in new English uniforms, on the chest are red bows ... They contacted the Sevastopol Revolutionary Committee of the railway station. We were informed that land enemy units that did not lay down weaponin the city there is no. Anyone who did not have time to sit on the court surrendered to the revolutionary committee. Some ten thousand prisoners. ”

Naturally, Budyonny, Voroshilov, and Blucher would prefer a solemn meeting of at least a small exchange of fire with the whites. A Sevastopol Revolutionary Committee for them as an awl in a famous place.

In the evening of 3 (16) in November, the city held a joint meeting of the Revolutionary Military Council of the 1 and 2 th cavalry armies, which was attended by the highest army ranks: Budyonny, Blyukher and Voroshilov. Having heard the report of the Sevastopol Revolutionary Committee, they thanked its members for the work done and ... dismissed the revolutionary committee.

The power in Sevastopol for five days passed to the military, and then a new ideologically sustained revkom appeared, brought to the city because of Perekop in the 1 horse train.

So, irrefutable facts show that, contrary to Lenin's order, Frunze deliberately released the entire army and fleet of Wrangel from the Crimea intact. This was a great harm to the Soviet Republic. But this is a topic for another story.

But who led the deal Frunze and Dumenila? The commander was cunning and intelligent, but not a strategist, as the Soviet historians painted him. Well, Admiral Dumenil - just a servant. Wrangel, on the other hand, was held by the “boob”.

But at Dumenile he was a translator, a consultant, oh, I'm afraid to even utter, the mason Zinovy ​​Peshkov is a puppeteer. Yes, the brother of the late chairman of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee, Yakov Mikhailovich Sverdlov, and the adopted son of the great proletarian writer Maxim Gorky (Peshkov).

Later, both French and Russian officers claimed that Dumenil was doing everything that Zyama Peshkov told him. Moreover, the White Guards were offended that Peshkov personally conducted a selection of refugees — who would be allowed into the French courts, and who was not.

I note that the captain of the French army, Peshkov, began his diplomatic career in Russia in the summer of 1917, when he was seconded by the French government to the Provisional Government. Then he was seconded to Kolchak. Practically all historians consider Zyam to be a high degree freemason, and Sergo Beria and some historians of special services claim that Peshkov was a secret secret agent of the Soviet Union.
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  1. Basil50
    Basil50 29 October 2017 06: 56
    +3
    * Everyone imagines himself a hero, seeing the battle from the outside *.
    Why be surprised, today even about the GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR * it’s fashionable * to write like that, and here about the Civil War.
    And in the movies it became * good form * just like that. That turns out hysterics, political instructor, bastard commanders and foolish villains in power.
  2. tasha
    tasha 29 October 2017 07: 37
    +8
    Very incomplete article.
    Missed:
    Telegram to Frunze Wrangel with a proposal to lay down arms until 24.00 11 November
    On November 12, Wrangel ordered the dissolution of the White Army. Imagine the reaction of the Red Army. Everything, the war is over ...
    Telegram Frunze to Lenin: “He set the task of the troops with lightning strikes to complete the rout and in no case to prevent his landing on ships. I hope that in the 7-day period, counting from the 13 of November, we will be in Sevastopol. To interfere with the evacuation by sea, I gave the order to go to Sevastopol to our only submarine. "
    Frunze’s order from 13.11 “Nachvozdukhoflot of the Southern Front, after we occupied art. Dzhankoy, urgently form in the area of ​​the latter an advanced airbase from where to organize daily raids on the ports of Yevpatoriya, Sevastopol, Yalta, Feodosiya and others with the task of bombing, preventing the enemy from carrying out a planned evacuation. "
    1. Ragoz
      Ragoz April 1 2018 05: 24
      0
      This "historical" opus has already been published on VO; it may be enough to engage in fantasies (not fiction) on historical topics.
  3. Karen
    Karen 29 October 2017 07: 39
    +3
    There was a book, Tales of Frunze. There S. Budyonny exposes this subchik as the organizer of the neutralization of the highlanders devoted to the emperor’s wild division - how the rails on Peter were dismantled and forced the train to go the other way, and there bang - and ambush - at the Orsha station the guns were waiting for the highlanders ... disarmed and released, on foot to to return to the auls ..
    It seems to me that the puppeteers of the revolutions planned this in advance ...
    __________
    About Kars.
    This is a classic of the genre. Back in 1852. Marx wrote that this granary should not be given to Russia.
    Ganevskys were given ... as I understand, at the request of Parvus' senior comrade.
  4. long in stock.
    long in stock. 29 October 2017 08: 06
    +9
    Only the sleek professor of the history faculty sitting on the sofa can argue ......... as I understand it, the author is a great commander and acting .. But in reality, other units, Crimean Tatars, partisans, etc.a could pull away the booty T.D. who is this? worms or reptilians? the article is some kind of stuffing. And it’s badly scrolled ..
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 29 October 2017 08: 26
    +5
    Alexander Borisovich pulls an owl on a globe ...
    Interestingly, since 1910, in the spring of 1917, neither Soviet nor anti-Soviet sources mention any contacts of Frunze with the Bolsheviks or even with the Mensheviks.
    ... There are sources that point to Frunze’s contacts with the Socialist Revolutionaries ..? .. In addition, Frunze was a delegate to the 5th Congress of the RSDLP, which was attended by all factions of the Mensheviks, Bolsheviks, Bundists, and Social Democrats of Poland and Lithuania .. in fact, until March 1918 it was a single party .. with many factions ..
  6. Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene 29 October 2017 08: 56
    10
    So we got to Frunze. The author, with great pleasure, poured mud over him so as not to launder himself, heaped up a bunch of speculation and guesses, which is disgusting to read. The article is a huge minus.
  7. iva12936
    iva12936 29 October 2017 09: 00
    +8
    For the author, in Ufa, the Bashkirs renamed Frunze Street, into Zaki Validi Street (Natsik is a local and German-Turkish friend)
    1. thinker
      thinker 29 October 2017 12: 16
      +6
      He looked who Validi was and oh ... very surprised.
      ... was officially included in the list of foreign Nazi accomplices that compiled the Nuremberg Tribunal. Moreover, it takes place in these lists under number 1.

      Read more: http://www.km.ru/news/v_ufe_nazvali_uliczu_imenem
      _fash
  8. Alexey Sobolev
    Alexey Sobolev 29 October 2017 10: 09
    +6
    And here I do not understand anything. Under Stolypin, people were executed by the thousands, often for nonsense.
    Therefore, the author does not understand that he believes in all kinds of tales ... In general, I read another pseudo-fantastic fiction (or at least a very crude, very unfinished article) and deleted the next author from among those who are worth reading.
  9. Olgovich
    Olgovich 29 October 2017 10: 10
    +5
    Зand killing cops September 23, 1910 “was sentenced to death, replaced by pressure of public opinion for 6 years of hard labor.

    As history has shown today, terrorists must be ruthlessly destroyed. Otherwise, it will cost citizens and the country many times more expensive.
  10. moskowit
    moskowit 29 October 2017 10: 17
    +4
    And here I do not understand anything. Under Stolypin, people were executed by the thousands, often for nonsense.

    The odious military field courts of Stolypin, operating for 8 months from 1906 to the beginning of 1907. handed down a little more than a thousand death sentences, actually executed 683 people [6]. Mostly for the killing.

    For 1905-1913 2981 people were executed. [7] There are slightly larger estimates in opposition literature and the press, but the order of numbers in the sources is exactly that.

    Information taken from the site ... http: //www.beloedelo.ru/researches/articl
    e /? 39
  11. Cat Marquis
    Cat Marquis 29 October 2017 10: 41
    +4
    Let's just say Shirokorada is just interesting to read .... like ...... Pikul, well, almost like Pikul. Vsezh "historicity" is more ... I read somewhere (not from Shirokorad), from "garbage" amateur historians, "that they say the whole Bolshevik Central Committee was either from the Bundists or from the Masons .... like Jewish-Masonic affairs and all that ... - too, go "true" ... so that the Frunze-masson fits into such a "vision" of history ...
  12. mavrus
    mavrus 29 October 2017 11: 01
    +3
    I don’t understand ... Is that what? Another search for freemasons under the bed?
  13. creak
    creak 29 October 2017 11: 06
    +6
    Quote: Alexey Sobolev
    In general, I read another pseudo-historical fiction (or at least a very crude, very unfinished article) and deleted the next author from among those who are worth reading.

    You can’t expect anything else from Shirokorad - although with his revelations and speculations, sucked out of the finger and sometimes simply absurd, he "pleases" on VO regularly ... The crisis of the genre however, age, you can not argue with nature .... As they used to say in the old days , there was a horse, but he left ...
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 29 October 2017 17: 38
      +2
      ranger Today, 11:06
      As they used to say in the old days, there was a horse, but he left ...
      The old horse does not spoil the furrow, it fertilizes it. And as you can see it is plentiful.
  14. captain
    captain 29 October 2017 11: 38
    +6
    I do not understand where the Communists look? So soon they will tell about Lenin that he lived in Geneva not by alms and earnings of a janitor in the library, but by rent from his dad’s estate, which was near Kazan. The author swung at the holy comrades true Leninists.
    1. Karen
      Karen 29 October 2017 13: 08
      +1
      Did the captain miss the recent investigation of the English journalist about the Germans giving him money from the proceeds of sales of what goods to London? In business heh ... heh ...
  15. Whispering in the night
    Whispering in the night 29 October 2017 14: 11
    +5
    One thing is obvious, live Frunze to the 37th year and almost certainly not pass him the Lubyanka cellars and KGB cache in the back of his head. However, without that, his death is very, very suspicious ...
    1. Roman 11
      Roman 11 29 October 2017 19: 35
      +2
      Quote: Whispering in the night
      not to pass him the Lubyanka cellars and the KGB bullet in the back of the head.

      If Kamenev was "pulled out of the wall," and he was the commander in chief .... in general, Frunze was unlikely to get along in the Stalinist gang, there wasn’t enough space for one of the 1st cavalry for everyone, but for others it was ..... surprising and scary because Zhukov, Konev, and Rokossovsky with Meretskov, Gorbatov and others could prematurely sink into the abyss! Who to fight with the Nazis? Mehlis and Budyonny? Yeah, under Vyazma and Bryansk, Semyon Mikhailovich appeared in all its glory ..... Stalin had to remove Zhukov from Leningradsky in search of the fronts, their headquarters and commanders. Where would we interestingly run with Voroshilov and Tymoshenko? to the Urals or the Irtysh?
  16. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 29 October 2017 17: 04
    +5
    Of course I despise VIKI, but as a reference for the initial assessment I use:
    On February 21, 1907 (already being a prisoner), together with Pavel Gusev, he tried to kill a police officer Nikita Perlov near the village of Dmitrovka. March 24, was arrested in Shuya and involved in the case of armed resistance to the police. He was sentenced to death twice for attempted murder (on 27.1.1909 and 22-23.9.1910), replaced under public pressure for 6 years of hard labor. Question: Where are the killings?
    Very Shirokorad: Zand the killing of policemen on September 23, 1910, as Wikipedia points out, “was sentenced to death, replaced under public pressure by 6 years of hard labor Well, this is not a historian, but a gnome.
    1. sibiryouk
      sibiryouk 29 October 2017 18: 46
      +4
      Back in Soviet times there were several biographical books about Frunze. He didn’t kill any officer! They hung an article on him to kill him. For all the time of Frunze’s participation in the First Russian Revolution on 05-07, they couldn’t hang more than one murder of officials on him! And in 1910, all the same, they put him under the death penalty!
  17. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 29 October 2017 18: 44
    +2
    As it turns out (to summarize Shirokorad’s research).
    World masons bribed three figures at once bully : Trotsky, Frunze and Wrangel.
    It is strange that they did not bribe the first two before. Then white
    just entered Moscow without a fight. Saving... wink
  18. Roman 11
    Roman 11 29 October 2017 19: 14
    +8
    The commander was cunning and smart, but not a strategist, as Soviet historians painted him.
    Something for these scribblers is one contempt, for this, a reason ... they no longer know how to recharge so much? In general, some kind of historical .... um, what is culturally called here?

    Does the young people pick up any kind?

    Damn, mess.

    Frunze developed his doctrine (partially implemented it), he could not help but be a strategist. Of course, Shaposhnikov, Tukhachevsky, and others helped him.

    As for the 1st cavalry army: it suffered a heavy defeat near Komarov, on the go it was replenished and staffed. In serious battles, there is not much benefit from it ..... well, there you need to train all the young recruits, how to keep the system, etc. The 2nd cavalry was small in number, suffered significant losses in Northern Tavria in repelling the advance of Wrangel, it coped poorly with counterattacks, not like an offensive. The shock division of the 6th Army - the 51st (Blucher) was also exhausted, and not only by storm of Perekop, which alone is worth defending Kakhovka. The convoy had difficulties in driving Sivash, severe weather conditions, illnesses, taken strong positions - in fact, it was a victory ..... last victory !! For 3! years of imperialism and as much civil.

    The meaning of Frunze to arrange bloodshed? Well, thousands more soldiers will be put, what will it give? It’s just that, unlike Shirokorad, Frunze really acted as a citizen, and not as a “butcher.”

    Kutuzov, too, was not very eager for battle during the retreat of Napoleon, his soldiers were safe, because he understood that the enemy would leave anyway, why destroy his soldiers? so it’s foreigners, and here are their own citizens, many unapproachable, but not few who could go over to the side of the Reds.
  19. Monarchist
    Monarchist 29 October 2017 19: 15
    0
    Quote: Olgovich
    Зand killing cops September 23, 1910 “was sentenced to death, replaced by pressure of public opinion for 6 years of hard labor.

    As history has shown today, terrorists must be ruthlessly destroyed. Otherwise, it will cost citizens and the country many times more expensive.

    In general, it is, but there have always been and are different nuances
  20. LeonidL
    LeonidL 29 October 2017 19: 21
    +6
    Recently, something has happened to Mr. Author of this opus. It’s just a syndrome of both Napoleon and Rezun, from Napoleon the habits of a great strategist, from Rezun a boorish tone in relation to the dead, who do not have the opportunity to object to the zealous bibliographer. Arguments shock Shirokorada "But here I don’t understand anything. Under Stolypin, people were executed by the thousands, often out of place." - If the author does not understand something, then this misunderstanding should not be elevated to absolute. In recent articles, Shirokorad very freely opposes the decisions of commanders, military commanders, admirals and generals of the 30s-40s, and now he has reached the Civil War. I’m not sure that Mr. Shirokorad has any military education, especially a naval education, but considers it possible to briskly refute the strategic decisions of the past, not understanding and not knowing the whole complex of intelligence and other data on which they were based at that time. Alas, it is sad that such a solid publication as HBO-NG prints such opuses.
    1. Eight
      Eight 29 October 2017 22: 49
      +5
      And what surprises me the most is that Shirokorad is surprising someone. It is difficult to say something about his education, because this compiler very carefully hides his biography. He stresses that his biography is his "works". But "this" and an unprepared reader is reading.
  21. Monarchist
    Monarchist 29 October 2017 19: 30
    +3
    I started to read the article and I'm wondering who the author is, now there are two types of articles: radically Soviet (red-white and fluffy, and white vice versa). Or radically anti-Soviet, and then some kind of Venigret. I was perplexed until I read the signature: Shirokorad.
    You will get bored with A. Bne: at least three articles were written as ordered by the Communists, but now I think: either the money ran out or the author did not get enough sleep?
  22. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson 30 October 2017 05: 08
    +2
    Well this is Comrade Shirokorad continues to develop his vein: the Freemason Freemason.
    No special signs of the Masonic games in the activities of M.V. not observed, but that something "was under the control of the Masonic lodges", so all of Russia was then under their control.
    And that the Kremlin has been playing endless games with foreign powers standing behind the backs of the whites, there is nothing impossible either (unless, of course, you free yourself from the cliches of propaganda). And Frunze in these games, quite possibly, was included (or was forced). But it is hardly worth concentrating on such issues on the level of the Southern Front, raise it higher ...
  23. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 30 October 2017 15: 37
    +3
    So, irrefutable facts show that, contrary to Lenin's order, Frunze deliberately released the entire army and fleet of Wrangel from the Crimea intact. This was a great harm to the Soviet Republic. But this is a topic for another story.


    Enchanting opinion.

    A brief outline of the operations of the fleet during the evacuation of Crimea in November 1920 (N. Gutan)
    http://militera.lib.ru/h/whitefleet/22.html
    "... From the moment the whole struggle was transferred to the Crimea and the appointment of the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the South of Russia, General Wrangel, there was an order, in case of our failure on the isthmus front, to develop a plan for the evacuation of the army, navy and institutions from the Crimea to Constantinople ..."

    In Constantinople were mobilized and summoned to the Crimea: October 29: the ship "Constantine", October 30: the ship "Russia".
    In total 30 ships were mobilized for evacuation.

    When, during the landing, it turned out that both the troops and the refugees were much larger than the expected number, they began to load all the military vessels, especially in Kerch, onto the vessels of the 2nd detachment.

    It is difficult to prevent a pre-prepared evacuation when it is covered by sufficiently strong artillery forces in the form of warships

    List for 1920 of combat-ready ships (order of the commander of the Black Sea Fleet of June 20, No. 4896).
    1st squad:
    The battleship General Alekseev. Cruiser Brigade:
    Cruiser 1st rank "General Kornilov." Auxiliary cruiser "Diamond". Auxiliary cruiser "Booth". Mine Brigade:
    1st division of destroyers: “Restless”, “Angry”, “Daring”, “Ardent”.
    The 2nd division of destroyers: "Captain Saken", "Hot", "Alive", "Voiced", "Vigilant".
    Transport "Aquarius".
    Submarine division: submarines "Petrel", "Seal", "Duck", "AG-22".
    A division of minesweepers: Albatross, Cormorant, Dmitry Hero, Berezan-2, Skif-1, and Jason.
    At the first detachment, the transport workshop of Kronstadt.
    2nd Division>
    Division of sea gunboats: “Terets”, “Grozny”, “Sentinel”.
    The 2nd division of river gunboats: "George", "Altai", "Ural", "Caucasus".
    The division of armed icebreakers: “The Horseman”, “Gaydamak”, “Dzhigit”.
    2nd patrol boat division: SK-11, SK-12, SK-13, SK-14, SK-15, SK-16, SK-17 and SK SK-18. "
    Airborne Division: boats Maria, Azovets, Nikola Pashich, Meotida, Pantikapeya and Dmitry.
    Boulders: No. 442, 443 and 445.
    2nd hydroaviation unit.
    Floating battery "Rostislav". [297]
    3rd detachment
    1st division of the gunboats: Kacha, Salgir, Alma. 1st division of armed barges: “B-1”, “B-2”, “B-3” and “B-4” 1st division of patrol boats: “SK-1”, “SK-2”, “ SK-4 ",
    SK-5, SK-6, SK-7 and SK-8. The 3rd division of armed boats: Kiev, Poltava, Sich and
    "Michman Kovalevsky."
    1nd hydroaviation unit.
    The messenger ship Ataman Kaledin,
    Armed boats: “Brave”, “Worker”, “Pushkar” and No. 51.
    Individual connections
    Light boats division: LK-1, LK-2, LK-3, LK-4, LK-5 and 16 rowing vessels with them.
    Maritime security of the Crimean coast: messenger ships "Pilot", "Dneprovets", boats "Typhoon", "Vasily", "Peter".
    Trolling boats: Swift, Roksana and light boat SK-3.
    Lukull messenger ship (at the disposal of the fleet commander).
    Hydrographic ship "Kazbek".
    Messenger ship communications service "Sevastopol."

    These are quite serious forces that could hold offensive by artillery fire and inflict serious losses on the advancing.
    It is a sufficient reason to "release" the defeated troops and refugees.
  24. ver_
    ver_ 30 October 2017 17: 49
    +1
    Quote: captain
    I do not understand where the Communists look? So soon they will tell about Lenin that he lived in Geneva not by alms and earnings of a janitor in the library, but by rent from his dad’s estate, which was near Kazan. The author swung at the holy comrades true Leninists.

    ..not only - Mother of Lenin = Blanca - received a very decent pension for the executed son -Alexander - (definitely - the tsar was, it was necessary to destroy this family under the root) ..
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 5 March 2018 12: 43
      +1
      Lenin's mother received a pension for her deceased spouse. In the Russian Empire, relatives were not responsible for the acts of their brothers, sons, etc. The principle of individual responsibility worked. For example, many relatives of the Decembrists did in the 30-50s. 19 century good careers in administrative or military lines.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 5 March 2018 13: 05
        0
        For example
        At least the nobles.
  25. Seal
    Seal 31 October 2017 09: 36
    +5
    So, Frunze and his chief Trotsky made a criminal mistake. The destruction of Wrangel's army in the Crimea and the seizure of at least half of the fleet would drastically change the further course of history. It was possible not to send 2 million rubles to Mustafa Kemal. gold and even more so not to give the Kara region. Britain and France would have lost their trump card - the 60-thousand white army "in exile" and would quickly normalize relations with Soviet Russia, etc. etc.

    Hardly. And even if it had changed, it is possible that it is not for the better for the Entente.
    1. First, I note the traditional Armenian cry "why they gave the Kars region and 2 million rubles in gold" (although some Armenians say that even 10 million rubles in gold). In fact, the emissaries of Mustafa Kemal back in April 1920, to a large extent, ensured Azerbaijan’s almost bloodless and lightning fast accession with intact Baku oil fields to the RSFSR. It was the emissaries of Mustafa Kemal that forced the Azerbaijanis to restore the railway tracks that they had already dismantled on the border with the RSFSR, along which the main striking force of the 11th army — armored trains — passed. And only after this help of Mustafa Kemal we began to help him. Agree that the Baku oil fields are worth a million times more expensive, that 2 million rubles in gold, that 10 million rubles in gold.
    And we transferred the Kars region, as well as the Baltic states, Ukraine, and so on, as the losing side, to the winning side (Germany, Austria-Hungary, Turkey and Bulgaria) in the Brest-Litovsk peace in March 1918.
    About the trump card. This "trump card" gave everyone more trouble. She needed to be placed somewhere, at someone’s expense to feed, dress, shoe .... As a result, everyone knows that this “trump card” never played.

    And for the Soviet cavalry, a forced day march of 100 km is not a problem. I'm not talking about the "Suvorov crossings", and not cavalry, but infantry.

    Another problem. And it’s right that you do not “talk” about the Suvorov transitions. Alexander Vasilievich was the greatest commander. But firstly he was credited with the devil who knows what is superfluous. And secondly, he himself did not limit himself to the description of the exploits of his “miraculous heroes” in his articles.

    A typical example. October 20 1942 of the Year near Stalingrad The 4 Cavalry Corps was introduced into the breakthrough. During the day, he passed about 70 km over rough terrain. And with the battles with German troops, and not pursuing fleeing Wrangel.

    A typical example .... incompetence. What is a “breakthrough” on October 20, 1942 near Stalingrad? Who “broke through” whom? Operation Uranus began 19 November 1942 year.
    In fact, the 4th Cavalry Corps was introduced into the breach on November 20, 1941. The enemy was romanian parts, and therefore the first target - Abganerovo - was captured in the morning on November 21 by an attack in a horse formation. The distance from the place where the attack began to Abagnerovo is several kilometers. Not “tens of kilometers,” but just kilometers. The horsemen came to the place of the attack.
    Perhaps the legs of this story, which the author presents to us here, grow from here:
    However, the next task assigned to the 4th Cavalry Corps - to master Kotelnikov - required to overcome 95 km in a day, which is a non-trivial task even for a mechanized connection. Perhaps only Germans motorcycle units in the summer of 1941 actually reached this pace of advance. On the morning of November 27, the 81st cavalry division reached Kotelnikov, but could not capture the city on the move. Moreover, an unpleasant surprise awaited the cavalrymen in the person of the fresh 6th Panzer Division who arrived from France by rail.

    We look. So on November 21, Abagnerovo was released. On November 22, the division remained in Abagnerovo, the name of the task was to conduct reconnaissance on Aksai. By the evening of November 23, 1942, the 81st Cavalry Division took Aksai. At 22:00 on November 25.11.1942, 4, the commander of the 51th Cavalry Corps received an order from Commander 0022 No. 27.11.1942 to capture Kotelnikovo in the morning of November 95, 15. From this order it follows that the corps had to go 00 kilometers in a day. But by 26.11.1942:27.11.1942 on November 5, XNUMX, parts of the corps were forced to take a large halt in the area of ​​Novoaksaysky and Generalovsky. At dawn on November XNUMX, XNUMX, she approached Kotelnikovo from the north and stopped at a distance of XNUMX km. From him.
    That is, horsemen came out on the night of 25.11/26.11 to 26.11/21.11. In the afternoon of November 5, we rested and in the morning of November XNUMX. turned out to be XNUMX kilometers from Kotelnikovo. In 34 hours, 90 kilometers passed. With a rest. And that is a lot. But an average of 2,6 km. in hour.
    1. genisis
      genisis 31 October 2017 10: 46
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      First, I note the traditional Armenian cry "why they gave the Kars region and 2 million rubles in gold" (although some Armenians say that even 10 million rubles in gold).

      Describing the consequences of the Moscow treaty, historian Igor Drogovoz writes: “Under the treaty, the Bolsheviks provided significant free financial and military assistance to the government of Mustafa Kemal. In 1921 alone, they donated 10 million rubles in gold, 33.275 rifles, 327 machine guns, almost 58 million rounds of ammunition, 54 artillery to the Turks. guns, up to 130.000 shells for them, 1.500 sabers, 20.000 gas masks, other military equipment. The supply of weapons continued in 1922. "[Turkish March: Turkey on fire. Mn., 2007. p. 306]
      1. Seal
        Seal 31 October 2017 11: 43
        +2
        Well, I'm talking about the same thing. First chairs (Baku oil fields in April 1920) - then money (in 1921).
        And note that help is far from "free." And also what is paid. Firstly, the Baku oil fields themselves are worth a million times more expensive than our aid to Turkey.
        And secondly, Atatürk distracted the Entente's attention, thereby contributing to the fact that we more or less calmly ended our civil war with the capture of the Crimea.
        1. Karen
          Karen 31 October 2017 12: 10
          0
          Quote: Seal
          Well, I'm talking about the same thing. First chairs (Baku oil fields in April 1920) - then money (in 1921).
          And note that help is far from "free." And also what is paid. Firstly, the Baku oil fields themselves are worth a million times more expensive than our aid to Turkey.
          And secondly, Atatürk distracted the Entente's attention, thereby contributing to the fact that we more or less calmly ended our civil war with the capture of the Crimea.

          How the frogmen armed Kemal and for what purpose is well shown in the book of V. Sahakyan (c) about Cilicia.
          About the love of the Bolsheviks with Kemal, S. Vratsyan wrote well "Armenia between the Turkish hammer and the Bolshevik anvil."
          A big gap, if both of these books are not read ...
  26. Seal
    Seal 31 October 2017 11: 37
    +2
    Quote: Karen
    This is a classic of the genre. Back in 1852. Marx wrote that this granary should not be given to Russia.

    But Marx wrote something nasty about us.
    Here's an example:
    “Kronstadt and St. Petersburg must be destroyed ... Without Odessa, Kronstadt, Riga and Sevastopol with emancipated Finland and a hostile army at the gates of the capital ... what will happen to Russia? A giant without arms, without eyes, which can only try to hit its opponents with blind weight. ”

    F. Engels in 1856 wrote about Kars in the light of the then ongoing Eastern War, as the failure of the Allies as a whole:
    The fall of Kars is indeed the most shameful event for the Allies. Having huge military forces at sea, having in June 1855 an army numerically superior to the Russian army, they never attacked Russia's weakest points - its Transcaucasian possessions.

    By the way, it’s about this
    Back in 1852. Marx wrote that you can not give this granary to Russia

    I did not find. Maybe not looking there? Do not specify in what work Marx wrote about this? It is also doubtful why even such a Russophobe as K. Marx in 1852 began to worry about the fate of Kars? At that time, there were still no prerequisites for considering the issue of the transfer of Kars to our hands.
    1. Karen
      Karen 31 October 2017 12: 02
      0
      I don’t even remember where to look for that paragraph from Karl Marx ... But when I brought it in one forum about 15 years ago, the Russians instantly turned my attention to the date ... and after all, I also wanted to focus attention on the date - after all, anti-Russian cars and carts are at this Zionast.
    2. Karen
      Karen 31 October 2017 18: 18
      0
      Quote: Seal
      Quote: Karen
      This is a classic of the genre. Back in 1852. Marx wrote that this granary should not be given to Russia.

      But Marx wrote something nasty about us.
      Here's an example:
      “Kronstadt and St. Petersburg must be destroyed ... Without Odessa, Kronstadt, Riga and Sevastopol with emancipated Finland and a hostile army at the gates of the capital ... what will happen to Russia? A giant without arms, without eyes, which can only try to hit its opponents with blind weight. ”

      F. Engels in 1856 wrote about Kars in the light of the then ongoing Eastern War, as the failure of the Allies as a whole:
      The fall of Kars is indeed the most shameful event for the Allies. Having huge military forces at sea, having in June 1855 an army numerically superior to the Russian army, they never attacked Russia's weakest points - its Transcaucasian possessions.

      By the way, it’s about this
      Back in 1852. Marx wrote that you can not give this granary to Russia

      I did not find. Maybe not looking there? Do not specify in what work Marx wrote about this? It is also doubtful why even such a Russophobe as K. Marx in 1852 began to worry about the fate of Kars? At that time, there were still no prerequisites for considering the issue of the transfer of Kars to our hands.

      Sergei Petrovich, or I can’t specifically remember about Kars’s wheat, or, apparently, in my memory the date changed a little from this:

      K. Marx. TURKISH QUESTION. - "TIMES". - EXPANSION OF RUSSIA

      London, Tuesday, May 31, 1853

      In the Bay of Biscay, a squadron of Admiral Corrie was seen heading to Malta, where she should strengthen the squadron of Admiral Dundas. The Morning Herald newspaper rightly notes:

      “If Admiral Dundas had been allowed to join Salamin’s French squadron a few weeks earlier, things would be completely different now.”

      If Russia, if only to preserve its prestige outwardly, made an attempt to reinforce the ridiculous demonstrations of Menshikov with actual military operations, then her first actions would probably be a new occupation of the Danube principalities and an invasion of the Armenian province of Kars and the Batumi harbor - territories that she tried in every possible way to secure for herself even at the conclusion of the Adrianople Treaty. Since Batumi harbor is the only reliable refuge for ships in the eastern part of the Black Sea, the mastery of Russia by it would deprive Turkey of the last naval base on Ponte and turn it into an exclusively Russian sea. If Russia, along with Kars, this richest and most developed part of Armenia, had also taken possession of Batum, it would have been able to interrupt trade between England and Persia, passing through Trebizond, and could create an operating base for itself both against England and against Asia Minor. Nevertheless, if England and France show firmness, then Nicholas will be as far from fulfilling his plans in this region as the Empress Catherine in her struggle against Aga Mohammed, when the latter ordered her slaves to drive from Astrabad with their whips and force board the ships of the Russian ambassador Voinovich and his companions.

      The latest news did not cause so much confusion anywhere as at Print House Square. The first attempt by the Times to recover from a terrible blow was desperate attacks against the electric telegraph, this “completely out of the ordinary” apparatus. “From these false telegraph messages,” the Times exclaims, “no right conclusions can be made.” Having thus shifted the blame for his own wrong conclusions to the telegraph wires, the Times, using the expression used by the ministers in parliament, is trying to dissociate itself from its own previous “correct” premises. The newspaper states:

      “Whatever the final fate of the Ottoman Empire, or rather, the Muslim government that ruled this empire for four centuries, the opinions of all parties in England and Europe agree on one thing, namely, that the gradual progress of the local the Christian population in the direction of civilization and independent government meets the interests of the whole world and that it is in no way possible to allow these nationalities to fall under the yoke of Russia and thus further increase its gigantic possessions. We deeply hope that not only Turkey, but all of Europe will resist such claims of Russia, and that only this desire for annexation and expansion will manifest itself in its present form, as it will cause general antipathy and an insurmountable opposition in which for their part, Greek and Slavic subjects of Turkey are ready to take an active part. ”

      How did it happen that the poor "Times" believed in the "good intentions" of Russia in relation to Turkey and in its "antipathy" to any expansion? Good intentions of Russia towards Turkey! Already Peter I was planning to rise on the ruins of Turkey. Catherine persuaded Austria and persuaded France to take part in the alleged partition of Turkey and the founding of the Greek empire in Constantinople, headed by her grandson {Constantine}, who was given an appropriate education and even a proper name for such an outcome. The more moderate Nikolai only requires recognition as his exclusive patron of Turkey. Mankind remembers that Russia was the patroness of Poland, the patroness of the Crimea, the patroness of Courland, the patroness of Georgia, Mingrelia, Circassian and Caucasian tribes. And now she is in the role of patroness of Turkey! To illustrate Russia's "antipathy" to expansion, I cite a few data from many facts concerning the territorial acquisitions of Russia since the time of Peter the Great.

      Russian borders advanced:

      Towards Berlin, Dresden and Vienna for approximately 700 miles

      Towards Constantinople about 500 "

      Towards Stockholm at about 630 "

      Toward Tehran by about 1000 "

      The acquisitions made by Russia at the expense of Sweden cover a larger territory than the remainder of this kingdom; in Poland its acquisitions are almost equal to the entire Austrian empire; in European Turkey they exceed the size of Prussia (without Rhine possessions); in Asian Turkey they are as large as the whole of German territory proper; in Persia they are not inferior in size to England; in Tataria, their length is equal to European Turkey, Greece, Italy and Spain combined. The territorial acquisitions made by Russia over the past sixty years, in their totality, are equal - in size and in importance - to the entire empire that Russia had before in Europe.

      Written by K. Marx on May 31, 1853

      Published according to the text of the newspaper.

      Published in the New-York Daily Tribune, No. 3794, June 14, 1853. Signature: Karl Marx

      Translation from English
      1. Seal
        Seal 1 November 2017 10: 02
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        It was at Marx.
        He is a pretty Russophobian radish.
        England by that time had conquered the world, and he reproached Russia for expansion.

        PS You are more careful with such large inserts of texts of articles. I already got warnings from one moderator for posting a significant amount of copied text. Although .. maybe he just grazes me.
  27. Seal
    Seal 1 November 2017 09: 41
    +1
    Quote: LeonidL
    from Rezun a boorish tone in relation to the dead, who do not have the opportunity to protest to the zealous borosopisator.

    Why attribute this to Rezun? In my opinion, it was Khrushchov who began to push the idea that Stalin "fought on a globe." Both verbally and in writing. And what boorish tone was in relation to, for example, Grigory Rasputin? And also when the dead man could no longer object.
  28. Agasfer Lukic
    Agasfer Lukic 1 November 2017 11: 15
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    Monuments to all Russians, including Kutuzov and Pushkin, are demolished in Ukraine.

    can be more? I have in my city, and there are about 50 of them in the country