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Reuters counts Russian "mercenaries" dead in Syria

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Western News Agency Reuters once again publishes material about how many Russian citizens died in Syria. Earlier, the Western media was also concerned about the number of dead Russians in the Donbas. As usual, by providing an OBS-style argument (“one woman said”), Reuters counted 131 of a dead Russian in the UTS from the beginning of the year. An important detail attracts attention: now, at least, all the “identified dead” are not called “servicemen of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation”.


As one of the “arguments”, the death certificate of the form №33 is given. At the same time, it becomes clear from where Reiter takes the “data” about the 131 Russian who died in Syria. Takes from reference number: 131. Apparently, according to the logic of Western journalists, the number of this document (if it has any relation to genuine ones) must necessarily be linked to the number of Russians who have died in the SAR since the beginning of 2017. As an “explanation,” it is stated that the Ministry of Justice recommends counting death in this way.

Reuters counts Russian "mercenaries" dead in Syria


The certificate indicates the cause of death of a certain Sergey Poddubny, born 1980. - "charring the body." It is reported that S. Poddubny died in Syria on September 28, in the city of Tiyas (Homs province).

Further, the Reuters news agency claims that the relatives of the deceased allegedly declared Sergey Poddubny as a representative of a private military company.
So be it ... But the question immediately arises: why are there no materials from Reuters about how many British nationals and American citizens have died in Syria or in the Donbas since the beginning of the year? If we already undertook to cover the number of losses, so it is necessary to approach the matter thoroughly. It seems that in the USA it will be interesting to find out how many of their armed citizens were killed in the Syrian sands, where, according to current international law, they should not exist at all ... And then, it turns out that Americans are dying completely unknown, since even the US consulates in Damascus not.
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  1. Logall
    Logall 27 October 2017 16: 40
    23
    And again, British scientists ...
    By reference number –– the number of deaths, by shoe size –– family composition, and by the length of the nose ...
    Battle of psychics, damn it!
    1. Topotun
      Topotun 27 October 2017 17: 06
      +2
      Well, they already estimated the length of another organ ..... Why be surprised?
    2. 79807420129
      79807420129 27 October 2017 17: 12
      11
      Quote: Logall
      Battle of psychics, damn it!

      Sanya is not psychics, they are just nonsense, these are obvious provocateurs and Russophobes. yes hi
      1. Logall
        Logall 27 October 2017 17: 26
        13
        As for the provocateurs, I agree!
        All these articles are written for one purpose –– reach the Russian reader! In order to read them, those who are dissatisfied with a small brain have unnecessary questions for the government- '' But does Russia need this war? '' Thus shaking the established order ...
        Yes, and the elections are on the nose! The more such articles, the more often they will be referenced, oval different!
        1. 79807420129
          79807420129 27 October 2017 17: 41
          11
          Quote: Logall
          The more such articles, the more often they will be referenced, oval different

          Sanya, the elections are not only on the nose, they have already begun, but imagine as soon as Putin declares himself a candidate or a successor, what a howl will immediately rise.
          Quote: Logall
          In order to read them, those who are dissatisfied with a small brain have unnecessary questions for the government- '' But does Russia need this war? '' T

          So already fellow fellow
        2. Solomon Kane
          Solomon Kane 27 October 2017 17: 47
          +7
          "Does Russia need this war?"
          , I would add Shura, "Yes !!!! And in all directions ...."
        3. demo
          demo 27 October 2017 21: 02
          +6
          Not for comparison - this is not the case, but in order to evaluate a lot it is one hundred thirty people or few.
          About 25000 people die on the roads of the Russian Federation annually.
          This is without war.
          And there is war in Syria.
          And there, people fulfill their duty - official or personal - it does not matter.
          But we have sloppiness, violation of all conceivable and not conceivable laws, a disregard for our own and others' lives, etc.
          This is scary.
          There are 130 heroes, and here 25000 ..... Who?
          So you should not pay attention to the words of foreign nonsense.
          1. svp67
            svp67 28 October 2017 03: 53
            +1
            Quote: demo
            to evaluate a lot is a hundred and thirty people or few.
            On the roads of the Russian Federation annually

            And who proved that "131" is the figure that has run over the year? It can be “cross-cutting”, from the moment of the establishment of the “case” and the “journal”, which are simply re-registered every year, until it is filled out. Does anyone have a Foreign Ministry instruction on “maintaining official documents”?
      2. Solomon Kane
        Solomon Kane 27 October 2017 17: 43
        +9
        The Western Reuters news agency once again publishes ...
        ..almanac: Tales and fables for preschool children, as well as adult uncles and aunts with unburdened consciousness from Western Europe and the USA "
        1. Mikhail Zubkov
          Mikhail Zubkov 28 October 2017 04: 10
          +4
          More than 100-150 thousand citizens of the Russian Federation live in Syria - having Russian passports, including those born there, and from ancestors - even citizens of the Republic of Ingushetia until 1917. The Consul Department of the Embassy of the Russian Federation registers deaths, issues death documents - approximately to the average regional city of the population. In this city, 2017 deaths have been accumulated since the beginning of 130. This does not mean that it is only and exclusively the military losses of some of our "volunteers." They, of course, can be in this number - say, about 30 people with "carbonization of the body", which the body can receive in any fire. In an oil well, for example. So this is fake, even if the certificate is genuine. To fake it - like 2 fingers about a corner - it, help, not on stamped paper, like a death certificate, but on a simple one. According to this certificate alone, they will not even bury them in the cemetery - they will require a certificate in the original. This I, as a former vice consul, testify.
    3. MIKHA-M
      MIKHA-M 27 October 2017 17: 24
      +5
      once again publishes material on how many Russian citizens died in Syria.

      Let’s better calculate how many Basmachi gangs we have turned into steam and their bases.!
      They are now dangling in all directions (some hid)
      Brilliant operation of the videoconferencing and our intelligence services!
      1. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 28 October 2017 02: 30
        +4
        Quote: MIHA-M
        Let’s better calculate how many Basmachi gangs we have turned into steam and their bases.!

        they were denied reference No. 33 to the Igilovsky Foreign Ministry !!! laughing laughing laughing
      2. Mikhail Zubkov
        Mikhail Zubkov 28 October 2017 04: 30
        +4
        This certificate does not testify to the number of those killed in battles in 2017. From the word "completely." Even if the certificate is genuine and this is our guy from our PMC, and even from our burned tank. Eternal memory to him - but the consular department gives the same information to local Russian citizens, who in Syria are about 100-150 thousand. And the numbering from the beginning of the year only means that ALL OF OUR CITIZENS in Syria died in 2017, 130 people, including the elderly and old women, and they are usually the majority among the dead. Eternal peace to them too, we will all be there ...
        1. d ^ Amir
          d ^ Amir 28 October 2017 09: 47
          +2
          thanks ... enlightened ... clever stuffing ... who does not know the details of this "kitchen", as I for example, can be misled ...
          and the "democrats" themselves do not bother with their losses from the word "completely" .... the losses of their PMCs are nowhere ... according to any statistics do not pass !!! so the American army has no losses ....
    4. foreman
      foreman 27 October 2017 18: 50
      +1
      unpleasant of course, but the Americans filter social networks so beloved by Russians
    5. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 28 October 2017 02: 28
      +5
      Quote: Logall
      And again, British scientists ...
      By reference number –– the number of deaths, by shoe size –– family composition, and by the length of the nose ...
      Battle of psychics, damn it!

      the most interesting is where they got this certificate and what is it finally for the certificate !!! negative negative negative
    6. Victorio
      Victorio 28 October 2017 17: 13
      0
      Quote: Logall
      And again, British scientists ...
      By reference number –– the number of deaths, by shoe size –– family composition, and by the length of the nose ...
      Battle of psychics, damn it!

      ====
      since there is no official information, there will always be someone who is ready for various reasons to merge / make money on it. Yes, and speculation zhurnalyug can not be excluded.
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 27 October 2017 16: 41
    0
    And here Donbass dragged. It’s impossible directly without it! Well, it’s hard to argue with the reference number - this is not a sign in the cemetery with a “wild” four-digit number (they poke both from the dill and the republican side). But with them it’s clear - through numbering of DNA analyzes. So officially explain. But with the reference number is more difficult ...
    1. NKT
      NKT 27 October 2017 16: 46
      0
      Is the reference number reset from the beginning of the year? No. Then why lie that year?
      1. Freeman
        Freeman 27 October 2017 17: 23
        +2
        Quote: NKT
        Is the reference number reset from the beginning of the year? No. Then why lie that year?

        Information from Rambler
        It is noted that according to the procedure of the Ministry of Justice, all death certificates are numbered: from scratch at the beginning of the year and increasing as new deaths are registered.

        https://news.rambler.ru/middleeast/38270490-smi-s
        -nachala-goda-v-sirii-pogib-131-grazhdanin-rossii
        /
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  4. Ierarh
    Ierarh 27 October 2017 16: 42
    0
    And why isn’t one and a half sobsno?
    1. Burbon
      Burbon 27 October 2017 16: 54
      +5
      Quote: Ierarh
      And why isn’t one and a half sobsno?

      Well, PMC Wagner has losses - and they are not very small ((
  5. Eurodav
    Eurodav 27 October 2017 16: 51
    +2
    Oh, Mr. Zadornov, how they miss you!
  6. Eurodav
    Eurodav 27 October 2017 16: 54
    +2
    Quote: Logall
    And again, British scientists ...
    By reference number –– the number of deaths, by shoe size –– family composition, and by the length of the nose ...
    Battle of psychics, damn it!

    Hahaha! They said notably, especially about the length of the nose ... And the ellipsis to the point!
  7. Scalpel
    Scalpel 27 October 2017 17: 09
    +6
    Wow, I don’t want to admit the loss! It hurts, bitter, disgusting. That's why the author snarls, they say look at yourself.
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit 27 October 2017 21: 30
      +4
      Quote: Scalpel
      Wow, I don’t want to admit the loss!

      Only the Russian Ministry of Defense can recognize losses. On the other hand, there is war, and they are soldiers, and this is their job. Is it possible to trust the unwanted agency Reuters (and I’m sure they have whole departments there, they write such news)? They are simply enraged by the volume of military missions performed by Russia in Syria.
    2. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 28 October 2017 02: 35
      +6
      Quote: Scalpel
      Wow, I don’t want to admit the loss! It hurts, bitter, disgusting. That's why the author snarls, they say look at yourself.

      and here "snarls" and "do not want to" ??? what what the realtor really needs to get into the calculations of Russian losses in the last turn, and the priority is to count, for starters, the losses of Britain in Syria ... then deal with the losses of their sidekicks in the coalition !!! wassat wassat good good good
  8. Des10
    Des10 27 October 2017 17: 14
    +6
    “But the question immediately arises: why there are no materials from Reuters about how many British citizens and American citizens have died in Syria or the Donbass since the beginning of the year. If you are already trying to cover the number of losses, you need to approach the matter thoroughly. The United States will be interested to know how many armed fellow citizens were killed in Syrian sands, where, according to current international law, they should not exist at all ... But it turns out that the Americans are dying completely unknown, because even the US consulate in Damascus is not. "
    Hello to the anonymous editors.
    And the answer is simple - they (Reuters) do what they need.
    And who needs to consider the dead citizens of the Russian Federation (?) - it turns out, again, the same Reuters.
    So it goes.
  9. Makarov
    Makarov 27 October 2017 17: 17
    +6
    "why there are no materials from Reuters about how many British citizens and American citizens have died in Syria or the Donbass since the beginning of the year ....."

    Well, somewhere deep down in your soul you are ALSO journalists - find the data and publish the article: supposedly Reytars announced so many and we counted so many documents or investigation ... or are you not journalists anymore?
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 27 October 2017 20: 22
      0
      _During military conflicts_ data on dead and wounded pass through 3 tolerances.
      Do you have a fresh admission?
      Do not agree? But such is the law. And in the USA too.
      1. Makarov
        Makarov 27 October 2017 23: 16
        +1
        What did you want to say?
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 27 October 2017 23: 53
          +1
          Reread again. Verbatim.
          If anything, 3 admission is given for no more than a year. The term of liability is usually 2 years.
          If these words are not familiar to you - well, where are you going? according to Russian laws, liability occurs regardless of knowledge or not knowledge of the law.
          Quote: Makarov
          find the data and publish the article: supposedly Reytars announced so many, and we calculated so many documents and investigation ..

          This will be a violation of Russian laws.
          Therefore, from our journalists such a discussion is impossible.
          The law on the secrecy of loss data was adopted on the basis of experience with the consequences of the absence of such a law. The state will bring ALL information when it will be possible without negative consequences.
          And "the state is hiding something from us," they always yell. And the more it is reported, the louder they shout.
          1. Makarov
            Makarov 28 October 2017 01: 44
            +1
            Yeah, I get it ... I didn't put it right. Meant - counting the dead British or Americans in the Donbass and in Syria. Set an example for Reitars and go into detail. And at the expense of the discussion on the part of your "journalists" this is not even funny. You have propagandists. An honorable profession and necessary, but has nothing to do with journalism ...
            1. d ^ Amir
              d ^ Amir 28 October 2017 09: 54
              +2
              Good afternoon!!!! PMC losses in the statistics of losses by "democrats" are not taken into account anywhere !!!!!!! NO THEM !!!!!!! won the holy spirit !!!!!!!!!! democracy forever !!!!! namely, PMCs, like the French illlegion, go to the worst places ... so we will never know through the official Amer’s bodies the number and place of their losses ... and the Reuters will make round eyes and say “fake fake” ....
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 28 October 2017 10: 10
                +7
                Quote: d ^ Amir
                PMC losses in the statistics of losses by "democrats" are not taken into account anywhere

                Yes. This is such a "good tradition."

                Quote: d ^ Amir
                namely PMCs as the French Legion ...

                Whoa...
                Foreign Legion (fr. Légion étrangère) - military unit, part of the ground forces of France and manned mainly from foreigners

                Legion - not PMCs ever ...
                Quote: d ^ Amir
                namely PMCs like a french illion to the darkest places and popping ...

                Well, if the management of PMCs are very good for money, then yes.
                Usually, "private traders" try not to take part in real databases. Protection of flights, escort of transport and so on is the main "bread" of PMCs.
                1. d ^ Amir
                  d ^ Amir 28 October 2017 10: 15
                  +2
                  Of course, you are right ... The Legion has never been PMCs ... only created for similar purposes ...
                  Usually, "private traders" try not to take part in real databases

                  and again you are right ... but !!!! it’s Hollywood ... it’s certainly such a Hollywood that .... full Hollywood ... but .... in “The Tempest Master” the episode with the mercenaries who came in .... is very characteristic ... after all, they climbed there not for war. ...
                  but actually:
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 28 October 2017 11: 31
                    +7
                    Quote: d ^ Amir
                    ... the episode with the mercenary mercenaries in "The Lord of the Storm" is very characteristic ... after all, it’s not for the war they climbed there ..

                    I don’t understand ... are we here, it turns out, we are discussing a movie?
                    Then I pass ... I do not watch a movie pratitssk request
                    1. d ^ Amir
                      d ^ Amir 28 October 2017 12: 15
                      +2
                      no, I'm talking about the fact that mercenaries can be in combat situations and their losses are not taken into account ... an episode from the film is an illustration of how this can be ...
              2. Makarov
                Makarov 28 October 2017 16: 29
                0
                Yes, round eyes are sideways ... at least I think I can find approximate data with a great desire ... no one says exact ... at least compare orders ...
  10. AlexYa
    AlexYa 27 October 2017 17: 18
    +1
    When the geldings die in Syria, they immediately, then the helicopter somewhere falls, then the truck with the military crashes. And those whose bodies cannot be passed off as non-combat losses - Nigerian rebels are killing.
  11. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 27 October 2017 17: 21
    +4
    It’s a pity that our military died abroad while defending the interests of the Motherland. For foreign media, it doesn’t matter that the previous certificate with number 130 was about the state of the fence around the consulate.
    1. Invoker39rus
      Invoker39rus 27 October 2017 17: 27
      0
      Including mercenaries, I personally do not respect mercenaries even kill.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 27 October 2017 20: 28
        +2
        Special brigades of militia, fleet? Military gendarmerie?
        Contractors are, by definition, mercenaries.
        You somehow drove the awkward.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 27 October 2017 20: 55
          +9
          Quote: sogdy
          Contractors - by definition, mercenaries

          Nah ...
          Contractor Russian Army by definition serves the state of the Russian Federation. Yes, she gets paid for it.
          Mercenary Serves Anyonewhere the conditions are better, it serves that.
          Feel the difference and do not say such nonsense anymore. And then agree that the officers are also mercenaries, because they also receive money for the service ...
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 27 October 2017 21: 17
            0
            Nothing that the mercenary _always_ serves exclusively under contract?
            Otherwise, he is called a bandit.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 27 October 2017 22: 07
              +9
              Quote: sogdy
              Nothing that the mercenary _always_ serves exclusively under contract?
              Otherwise, he is called a bandit.

              I also work on a contract basis. Am I a mercenary, by your logic?
              Learning to read carefully:
              - the mercenary sells himself as a commodity. Who gave more, that and the goods.
              - The contractor serves in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. This is the same fighter, only receives a salary. Because not by conscription, but voluntarily came to serve. To our state. And not anyhow anyone.
              So - more understandable? fool
              1. sogdy
                sogdy 27 October 2017 22: 47
                0
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Learning to read carefully:
                - the mercenary sells himself as a commodity. Who gave more, that and the goods.

                And where did such firewood come from?
                Do you understand that? Are you sure that your understanding is at least minimally true?
                The candidate MUST be trained in a licensed organization affiliated with mercenarism. With her, he is required to obtain a patent for the type of activity and current position - usually up to 5 patents. Further, he must conclude an URGENT contract with one of the organizations, within the framework of which he will receive a referral to one of the formed or existing units that are executing an officially registered and announced contract with a legal entity representing one of the current governments.
                Such a mercenary is not a wage worker and falls under the convention on military personnel. With all the "social package".
                Violation of the contract, unauthorized transition to the other side of the conflict, refusal to execute the order - and he will be recognized as a bandit, a war criminal with a wolf ticket. Such long lives only in the movies.

                All materials are publicly available on the Internet, including in Russian.

                Militarized protection does not apply to mercenary organizations. And above all, the fact that their contract is not government.

                Maybe you should decide who you call a “mercenary,” and who it really is. Who is the mercenary, I told you.
                I will add: after Gaza, the US is on the black list as it did not pay under the contract.
                Not having military patents and not having contracts with licensed organizations of mercenaries are not mercenaries.
                The international legal concept has no relation to journalistic and philistine kookies.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 27 October 2017 23: 04
                  +9
                  Quote: sogdy
                  mercenaries are ... mercenaries are not

                  Wondrously. You have painted everything wonderfully.

                  Now it remains only to answer the original question: how and why
                  Quote: sogdy
                  Contractors - by definition, mercenaries

                  And everything will be exactly yes
                  1. sogdy
                    sogdy 27 October 2017 23: 24
                    +2
                    "Contract hiring."
                    Their spies are our scouts.
                    In addition, there is international practice: if the "organization of employment" is the state (and in the Charter it is), then their mercenaries are usually called contract soldiers.
                    Although there are no more discrepancies on any point.

                    Have you forgotten that licensing is not possible without an organization charter?
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 27 October 2017 23: 42
                      +8
                      This is some kind of blue fox ...

                      Stop already jerking, wagging and cursing.

                      Simple, short and intelligible: Russian Armed Forces contractor is a mercenary (as you say)
                      - because
                      - and that's why
                      - and also therefore
                      .
                      And to answer a question with a question, is it somehow ... Russian is not peculiar, in general stop
                    2. insular
                      insular 28 October 2017 04: 12
                      +2
                      Quote: sogdy
                      state (and in the Charter this is so), their mercenaries are usually called contract soldiers.

                      This is how much garbage you need to have in your head in order to derive an interpretation from jargon short forms?

                      "Mercenary" and "Contractor", the words are different in sound and in meaning.

                      Contractor short form from Contract serviceman , where, first of all, a person is a State Serviceman, and “under a contract” is a contract form of registration (under a contract of employment), and how it differs from an employment contract, you can find yourself.

                      "Mercenary" is also a wage worker. But the employee is not a mercenary.
                      As well as "every ship is a ship, but not every ship is a ship"

                      Employment and Mercenary are not at all the same thing. As a maximum, these are simply, in a way, consonant words, no more.
                      For the fact of employment, criminal liability is not provided, but for the fact of mercenarism very much.

                      And do not lie what they have there ... They have "there", these concepts are also shared.
                      1. sogdy
                        sogdy 28 October 2017 11: 22
                        0
                        Quote: insular
                        This is how much garbage you need to have in your head in order to derive an interpretation from jargon short forms?

                        Taki said loudly. We look:
                        Quote: insular
                        “Contractor” short form from Contracted Serviceman

                        In the Third Foreign Legion, a contract is concluded with the applicant based on the results of training.
                        In recruits, too, took _ by contract_. And this is private recruitment into the army, which could not yet be called state.
                        And there are still employees of the Armed Forces ... (previously - voluntarily determined).
                        Sorry, you are reminiscent of a "very focused blonde."

                        When a new form of army existence was being developed, the experience and traditions of the Foreign Legion — the Second, Free and Third — were carefully studied. From 1993 to 2005, about 2000 Russians served in the Third Foreign Legion, and about 170 people did not return to Russia. Most returnees are at the forefront of contract service in the RF Armed Forces.
                        With the permission of the contract service in the Armed Forces of the foreigners (and this is planned) - the contract army will completely repeat the hired army.
                    3. insular
                      insular 29 October 2017 04: 05
                      0
                      Quote: sogdy
                      In the Third Foreign Legion, a contract is concluded with the applicant based on the results of training.

                      Well, actually what should have been proved. You are floating in terms and facts without grasping the essence.
                      They are not mercenaries, since although these units are formed from foreigners and their remuneration does not correspond to the remuneration of ordinary military personnel (obtaining French citizenship is a “remuneration” exceeding the remuneration of ordinary military personnel), however they are military personnel included in the personnel of the armed forces of the respective states.

                      Once again for those who are in the tank. It is international humanitarian law (incl. Geneva Conventions, UN, Hague, etc.) determines who is a combatant and who is not, with all that it implies. Not your fantasies or someone else's local state regulations.
                2. insular
                  insular 28 October 2017 05: 07
                  +3
                  Quote: sogdy
                  Not having military patents and not having contracts with licensed organizations of mercenaries are not mercenaries.

                  wassat This is fantasy laughing
                  The definition of a mercenary is formulated in Art. 47 of the first Additional Protocol to the Geneva ConventionsSigned in 1977. A mercenary is a person who:
                  1.specially recruited locally or abroad in order to fight in armed conflict;
                  2.actually directly involved in hostilities;
                  3.takes part in hostilities, guided mainly by the desire to receive personal gain, and which in fact was promised by the party or on behalf of the party to the conflict, material rewards significantly exceeding the rewards promised or paid to combatants of the same rank and functions, members of the armed forces of a given party;
                  4. is neither a citizen of a party to the conflict, nor a person permanently residing in the territory controlled by a party to the conflict;
                  5.not included in the armed forces of a party to the conflict;
                  6. not sent by a state that is not a party to the conflict to fulfill duties as a member of its armed forces.
                  It's all. What legal entity? what kind of contract? Do you think all mercenaries are idiots? You would also say that if their RFP is not white, then not mercenaries laughing In most countries of the world, they face a criminal offense for mercenarism, who will cover themselves with pieces of paper?
                  What did you do there? What documents are available? At least one name such a document. wassat
            2. insular
              insular 28 October 2017 03: 26
              +2
              Quote: sogdy
              Nothing that the mercenary _always_ serves exclusively under contract?

              Criminal Code Article 359. Mercenary
              1. The recruitment, training, financing or other material support of a mercenary, as well as its use in armed conflict or military operations -

              is punished by imprisonment for the term from four up to eight years with restriction of freedom for up to two years or without it.

              2. The same acts committed by a person using his official position or in relation to a minor -

              shall be punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term of seven to fifteen years with a fine of up to five hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of the salary or other income of the convicted person for a period of up to three years, or without it and with restriction of freedom for a term of one to two years, or without it .

              3. The participation of a mercenary in armed conflict or hostilities -

              shall be punished by imprisonment for a term of three to seven years with restriction of freedom for a term of up to one year, or without it.

              Note. A person is recognized as a mercenaryacting for the purpose of receiving material compensation and not being a citizen of a state participating in an armed conflict or military operations, not residing permanently on its territory, and also not a person assigned to perform official duties.

              And what do you say to that?
              1. sogdy
                sogdy 28 October 2017 10: 44
                0
                Quote: insular
                as well as not being a person sent to perform official duties.

                A legal mercenary is just such a “face”.
                And as for the law, it is very castrated and does not affect too many forms of illegal mercenary activity, including within the same country. Liberals with a humanitarian mindset, chowzh.
                1. insular
                  insular 29 October 2017 04: 11
                  0
                  Quote: sogdy
                  The legal mercenary is precisely such a “face”

                  Not because:
                  5.not part of the armed forces of the partyin conflict;
                  6. not sent by a state that is not a party to the conflict to perform duties as a person, part of his armed forces.

                  Notice, I give you copycards from official documents, and you carry a stream from your speculation. That as if hints at the consistency and weightiness of your arguments.

                  And simply, a private company is not state-owned, by definition.
        2. insular
          insular 28 October 2017 03: 49
          +2
          Quote: sogdy
          Special brigades of militia, fleet? Military gendarmerie? Contractors - by definition, mercenaries. Somehow you drove the absurd.

          You drove off by comparing PMCs (Private military company) with special brigades of the police, navy and military gendarmerie. I would even call it ruder, but the rules of the site, as it were ...

          The mercenary died - the air is cleaner. But the fact that based on the reference number to identify the number of killed mercenaries is something from the field of psychedelics
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 28 October 2017 10: 25
            0
            There are professional mercenaries, the most famous Wild Geese (were changing) and the Third Foreign Legion. Absolutely legal activity. Refers historically to the Reitar form of employment.
            And it is forbidden, like any black business, unprofessional mercenaries ("private traders", "amateurs", etc.) - when a private person participates in armed actions for money, for bonuses or under duress. These are bandits, terrorists, the protection of caravans of smuggling and slaves, and other soup set, including "extreme tourists and hunters." This form is persecuted in all countries. But for various reasons. If you haven’t noticed, pay attention, they are very rarely called mercenaries.
            Foreign volunteers participating in hostilities either change their citizenship - a form of an agreement with the government, either have the guarantees of their country, or are outside the law.
            Quote: insular
            comparing PMCs (Private military company) with special brigades of the police, navy and military gendarmerie

            PMCs are a form of legal mercenary activity in the United States - but for corporations, not for governments. (Well, the USA is the country of corporations, the government plays the role of arbiter - if it is recognized at all.) Like all such creations, it is poorly controlled, and in many countries it is not legally recognized as legal activity.
            Special brigades and the military gendarmerie exist as rangers - also a legal form of mercenarism.
            1. insular
              insular 29 October 2017 04: 09
              0
              Quote: sogdy
              Wild geese

              Wild geese is another name for Mercenaries = it is a synonym. So are the Soldiers of Fortune.
              Well, everything is so neglected. wassat laughing
              Tell me, have your autumn holidays at school already begun?
              1. insular
                insular 29 October 2017 04: 13
                0
                Quote: sogdy
                PMC - a form of legal mercenary in the United States

                Yeah right now. IN USA laughing

                PMC List:
                RSB-Group
                Russian Slavic Corps
                Russian Wagner Group
                USA Academi
                USA Military Professional Resources
                Sandline international
                Sharp end international
                Executive outcomes

                Of these, the United States is only two.
  12. Livonetc
    Livonetc 27 October 2017 17: 28
    0
    Nouvelles de Tymchuk.
  13. Strashila
    Strashila 27 October 2017 17: 47
    +6
    Looks very much like bullshit .... if you go to the consular information portal of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs there is a link to the ORDER of June 29, 2012 N 10490
    ON ADOPTION OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE REGULATION
    MINISTRIES OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION
    FOR THE PROVISION OF THE PUBLIC SERVICE FOR THE PUBLIC
    REGISTRATION OF ACTS OF CIVIL STATE OF CITIZENS OF RUSSIAN
    FEDERATIONS RESIDING OUTSIDE THE TERRITORY
    RUSSIAN FEDERATION
    ... and so there is no mention of certificates ... well, no, that's all, there is "the issue of a certificate of state registration of death." And registration is carried out in accordance with Form 16, approved by the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of 31.10.1998 N 1274 "On approval of the forms of applications for state registration of acts of civil status, certificates and other documents confirming the state registration of acts of civil status".
    1. Ryazan87
      Ryazan87 27 October 2017 19: 21
      +2
      1. According to the document (form 33):
      Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of October 31.10.1998, 1274 N 02.02.2006 (as amended on February XNUMX, XNUMX) "On the approval of the forms of applications for state registration of acts of civil status, certificates and other documents confirming the state registration of acts of civil status"
      http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_20
      878/b59a46c7b58eeb4c561bd66a97019c6a8879c973/
      2. A death certificate in form 33 is required to receive a funeral allowance, which the state pays to loved ones (issued at the registry office).
      Abroad - consular posts. For example, the site of the Russian Embassy in Finland -http: //helsinki.mid.ru/registracia-smerti
      ".... It is the responsibility of the consular department to issue a death certificate and death certificate."
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 27 October 2017 20: 57
        0
        Somehow I can’t find recommendations for keeping records of certificates, especially the establishment of a new accounting journal from January 1 of each year. As well as recommendations for maintaining a separate numbering for each type of information.
      2. Strashila
        Strashila 28 October 2017 06: 43
        +1
        "All of the above references, except death certificate, issued by the funeral home. "... there is such an entry ... on the link.
  14. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 27 October 2017 17: 57
    +1
    Anyway, sorry guys. Blessed be the memory of them ...
    Condolences to relatives and friends.
  15. APASUS
    APASUS 27 October 2017 18: 07
    +1
    Where are the remaining 130 references?
    This is for the year or for the period from the beginning of registration of the embassy, ​​what period is it and who enters there? Maybe all those who died with a Russian passport? Maybe these are acts of registration of death of citizens of the accompanying CIS countries
    Fortune telling is very fashionable right now
  16. afrikanez
    afrikanez 27 October 2017 18: 28
    +2
    I immediately remembered Zadornov, a story about pigs numbered 1,2 and 4 in an American school. When they looked for a week pig at number 3 laughing
  17. Egorovich
    Egorovich 27 October 2017 18: 58
    +5
    Another liberoid stuffing into the groan of Russia. What they come up with, it is sculpted for all to see.
  18. Dargavs
    Dargavs 27 October 2017 19: 05
    0
    Quote: APASUS
    Where are the remaining 130 references?

    They explained to you above
    Quote: Strashila
    On the approval of the forms of applications for state registration of acts of civil status, certificates and other documents confirming the state registration of acts of civil status "

    Who did not understand - This means that registration (that is, numbering) of all types of acts of civil status, including marriages, divorces, births, etc. etc. numbered in the same sequence. So this is: the serial number of the act of civil status, but not necessarily death.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 27 October 2017 19: 19
      +1
      Not true. The reference has a typographic printed heading: "Death Certificate".
      Namely death certificate number 131.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 27 October 2017 21: 14
        +4
        Daragoi Voyaka, on typographically printed references manual filling.
        And also this form is not a form of strict reporting so that it has a typographic account number.
        The form is on the Internet, you can download and print. But without _ appropriate_ stamp and signature, the craft will be invalid.
        This is the official stamp. And there should be a seal for reference.
        In addition, the entire certificate is printed in one pass. And here is an overlay on a previously printed form with different line spacing.
        There is some doubt about the print pull that does not correspond to the absence of a scanning defect in the rest of the form.

        Do you need a conclusion, or do you yourself?
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 27 October 2017 22: 15
          0
          If the certificate is a fake, as you suggested, then the Russian embassy in Syria, the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs, of course, will refute the arrogant slander of the Reitar international agency. And they will easily win the case in any court. We will see.
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 27 October 2017 23: 05
            +2
            Quote: voyaka uh
            of course, refuted the arrogant slander of the international agency Reitar

            No, because it does not hurt state interests.
            All the events in Syria, in which our troops are involved, are shown on-line.
            Since the appearance of the document and related requirements may affect internal interests, an audit will be conducted. This is the matter of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. If facts of Russian origin are identified and the authors are identified, the FSB will be transferred.
            Many people will do a fun job.
          2. Strashila
            Strashila 28 October 2017 08: 10
            +2
            if the relatives of the deceased made contact with the media, which then limited themselves to a death certificate, a death certificate is much more expensive ... did not agree on the price ... ??? Help no ... death certificate is all ... primarily for notaries.
  19. Dargavs
    Dargavs 27 October 2017 19: 42
    +5
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Not true.

    Already crocodile
    Thomas's back
    Already crocodile
    Choked Thomas;
    From the mouth of the beast
    Head sticks out.
    To shore
    The wind carries the words:
    "Wrong ...
    I don’t ... "
    Alligator sighed
    And, full,
    Dived into the green water.
    (C) S. Mikhalkov
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 27 October 2017 20: 14
      +1
      You can’t argue with Mikhalkov! drinks
  20. Who's new
    Who's new 27 October 2017 19: 53
    +2
    As always, they hide the losses ...
    All this is sad when citizens are not considered people.
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 27 October 2017 21: 35
      +5
      Belyash-Rabinovich again turned over ?!
    2. insular
      insular 28 October 2017 03: 05
      +1
      Quote: Who's new
      As always, they hide the losses ...

      Do you know for sure that these are military losses of the RF Armed Forces?
      Quote: Who's new
      All this is sad when citizens are not considered people.

      How did you determine this and why did you make such a conclusion?
  21. Steve57
    Steve57 27 October 2017 23: 15
    +1
    Parity-when, Reuters will lay out the losses of the Anglo-Saxons.
    Then it is possible about and reasoning.
  22. sogdy
    sogdy 28 October 2017 00: 31
    0
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    answer a question with a question, it somehow ... Russian is not peculiar, in general

    Hmm
    Is that "Hmm?" also a question ?!
    By the way, I already answered exactly your points.
    The last post already resembles the classic "everyone says ... and you buy an elephant."

    If you do not agree, state the differences between a contractor and a mercenary. No posters or slogans. Without going to the philistine profanity. And without "I am against racism and blacks."
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 28 October 2017 08: 23
      +8
      Quote: sogdy
      By the way, I already answered exactly your points

      This is a lie, sorry my French. Well, or quote, where is next - my question and your answer.

      Quote: sogdy
      If you do not agree, state the differences between a contractor and a mercenary. No posters or slogans

      They already set out everything for you while I pressed the mass. It is "without (censorship, 3 letters, the first" b ")":
      Quote: insular
      "Mercenary" and "Contractor", the words are different in sound and in meaning.
      The “contractor” is a short form from a contract serviceman, where the person is primarily a state serviceman, and “contract” is a contract form (under a contract of employment), and how it differs from an employment contract, you can find yourself.
      "Mercenary" is also a wage worker. But the employee is not a mercenary.
      As well as "every ship is a ship, but not every ship is a ship."
      Employment and Mercenary are not at all the same thing. As a maximum, these are simply, in a way, consonant words, no more.
      For the fact of employment, criminal liability is not provided, but for the fact of mercenarism very much.
      And do not lie what they have there ... They have "there", these concepts are also shared

      Objections, additions? Juggler, damn it, with words negative
  23. Wolka
    Wolka 28 October 2017 10: 27
    0
    and the question from the author is not directly in the eyebrow, but in the eye ...
  24. TsUS-Air Force
    TsUS-Air Force 28 October 2017 16: 29
    0
    How to get to PMC RF? for 10 years I’ll also go to adult games to play as I pay the mortgage. I’ll rest on an adult :)))))))