Indonesia will acquire 11 fighters Su-35 with a full complement of weapons

Indonesian Defense Minister Ryamizard Ryachudu confirmed that the 11 Su-35 fighters, which are purchased in Russia, will be supplied with a full set of weapons.

According to ANTARA News, with reference to the Minister’s statement, a full set of weapons is included in the deal in connection with the discount offered by the Russian side, which would not be valid if it was purchased in a separate package.

According to him, the signing of the contract worth 16 trillion. rupees (1,175 billion) is expected in November of this year. The Minister did not disclose the list of supplied weapons.

We remind you that earlier Reuters agency wrote about a joint statement by the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Commerce of Indonesia, claiming that Indonesia would pay a billion dollars for 11 Russian fighter jets Su-35 1,14. According to the statement, half of the contract - 570 million dollars - will be paid for in commodity supplies. The aircraft will be phased in to Indonesia from 2019 onwards.

Indonesia is going to replace the outdated American F-35E / F Tiger II aircraft with the Su-5 (of the 12 planes of this type, only two of them are in readiness for the moment).

Comments

[Livonetc]

However, a serious backlog.

[Teberii]

Planes for bananas and coconuts, reasonably.

[St Petrov]

it is strange that for paper money you can buy iron planes and kakos. Or vice versa
You can sell / exchange for / for anything that is listed on the exchange. For it all has its price and the goods can be easily converted into money.

as I understand the buck excluded from this deal

[VladimirNET]

> as I understand the buck is excluded from this deal

Even selling in dollars - we are moving away from the dollar.

[vanek77]

I wonder where they will get so much palm oil, because one side for the Russian Aerospace Forces costs 89 million greens, and more expensive for a hill?

[St Petrov]

In January - September of this year, 658,2 thousand tons of palm oil was imported into Russia (in 2015 - 614,2 thousand tons) in the amount of 465,5 million USD. This is stated in the report of the Milknews Analytical Center.

© Milknews - Dairy Market News

now we do not need to spend half a billion on this in foreign currency. It looks like the need is closed

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Teberii

Planes for bananas and coconuts, reasonably.

there are doubts that they will be able to realize the natural product received in exchange ???

[just exp]

and kakose che is no longer for sale?
Indonesians could have done it completely for money, but their government thus pushed the marketing of their products.

[Kent0001]

And he will get a loan on our loan or all the same for grandmas.

[Gransasso]

Quote: Kent0001

And he will get a loan on our loan or all the same for grandmas.

A Russian loan may be allocated for the purchase of Indonesia's Su-35 multi-functional fighters; this decision is under discussion. This was stated by RIA Novosti the head of Rosoboronexport Alexander Mikheev.

[Kent0001]

So I knew. The Chinese won over a share of Rosneft for a loan from VTB, a couple we somehow trade (((((we are paid by our grandmothers ..

[pavelty]

Usually, before signing the contract, try not to tryndet ...
And the weird 11 figure?

[Don]

Quote: pavlentiy

And the weird 11 figure?

I agree, the squadron consists of 12 aircraft, but apparently there was not enough money or, in this case, palm oil and bananas. Natives they are so strange

[Topotun]

Honestly, it’s not at all clear why are they generally of Indonesia? Is she fighting someone? Or is there a threat of war? It would be better to take MiG-29. Everything is cheaper. And the possibilities are not much worse. Why do they need the 35th?

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Topotun

Honestly, it’s not at all clear why are they generally of Indonesia? Is she fighting someone? Or is there a threat of war? It would be better to take MiG-29. Everything is cheaper. And the possibilities are not much worse. Why do they need the 35th?

in our modern world, everything is changing rapidly !! during the day did not fight with anyone, in the evening - the batch began !!!

[lazy]

Well, they already exploit Su and are apparently satisfied

[VladimirNET]

> I agree, the squadron consists of 12 aircraft,
> but apparently ... there was not enough ... palm oil and
> bananas.

Perhaps that was enough - but ours did not agree :)

Yes, and one is useful:
1) in case of an accident or if another is knocked down
2) for parts
3) for the educational process
4) for the next order of aircraft
5) the link will be from different planes, for example, the second - F-5E / F Tiger II (there are two of them left, but for every fireman: after all, only one can survive until 2019).
:)))

[ex warrant]

Apparently, the weather turned out to be calm, palm trees do not swing, and therefore coconuts do not fall ... Here the tribe is starving

[hohol95]

We are drying them, and they give us PALM OIL ...

[St Petrov]

well at least not a marshal laments for oil

[Stas157]

Quote: hohol95

We are drying them, and they give us PALM OIL ...

It would be better just for half the price sold! Su-35 is it that stale goods or illiquid goods, what would it be for barter, for hell knows what to sell? The feeling is that the Su-35 just want to get away with it!

[St Petrov]

Su-35 is it that stale goods or illiquid goods, what would it be for barter, for hell knows what to sell?

sell for Euro or Pounds Stas. Teach the Russian state to do business. You’re able to do everything on the forum and you know. Go manager to Rosoboronexport

It would be better just for half the price sold!

and pay the difference from your own. You easily scattered half a billion state bills here in your post.

[kamski]

Well, we cannot sell to the USA and Europe; we have imposed sanctions against them. Therefore, we sell there ...

[donavi49]

By the way, every Su-35 under the contract is 2 such a ship. Each of which, as far as possible, is better than Gren.

[lazy]

By the way, who said that commodity deliveries are bananas and not landing ships?

[andrewkor]

I wonder what assortment of Indonesian "commodity supplies"? Something exotic like pineapples? During the domination of the Netherlands, oil and gas production was developed there, it was not for nothing that Japiya rushed to the South in 1941, and not the Soviet Far East! Tea, spices, nuts, were always appreciated, still natural rubber, their fabrics are high-quality, European couturiers order. Supplement, who in the know?

[hohol95]

PALM OIL ...
Which and so in the products ...

[Muvka]

We consume very little palm oil compared to Europe. So in vain are you this.

[hohol95]

In vain? You want to say that we DO NOT have to worry about PALM OIL in PRODUCTS?
So our merchants can come up with .. THAT .. HOW they think ..
And spit ..
NOW and UNDER REGULATIONS skip SUCH PRODUCTS ...

[Warrior-80]

It’s not a bad thing the Indo-Indonesians fit in, the junk is changed to one of the most modern airplanes and for the benefit of themselves, and for Russia it’s not bad either, the currency, employment of the military industrial complex, and that we take part of the goods is also not a problem, I think we agreed that we had to to buy somewhere

[Egorovich]

Well, the war in Syria came to the aid of Russia in advertising its weapons.

[Don]

Of course, before, after all, Russia did not export fighters, tanks and ships, and after the Syrian advertising it started. There’s a long line lined up in front of the main entrance to the Rosoboronexport building, I can even see it from the window of my house in New Riga

[andrewkor]

I, who was currently lying on a sofa with a tablet, was visited by the Thought that barter is not so bad: money owed can be asked for and written off, but the goods have already been delivered and consumed! Inspired by 90 years. Former employees of the former TAPOiCh still Chinese clothes are worn, I personally had the first color telly then appeared, the Great Wall stew in some family dynasties in the drawers up to the ceiling was on the balconies, green tea was very popular.

[Sergey53]

Bartering is good, but real money is better.

[voyaka uh]

"and the goods are already delivered and consumed!" /////
---- ''
This is if "morning money, evening chairs" ..
The Indonesians may well get the planes, and then say: "our bug has eaten all the palm trees - a crop of palm oil ... wait until the new palm trees grow."
On the other hand, Russia can also get oil and say: "the locksmith got sick, there is no one to assemble the planes ... wait."

[IL-18]

The main thing is that for the agreement under this deal lies. Maybe palm oil will come in some quantity, but in Indonesia some islet will suddenly become closed to visitors and flights above it. And they have shipbuilding.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: voyaka uh

"and the goods are already delivered and consumed!" /////
---- ''
This is if "morning money, evening chairs" ..
The Indonesians may well get the planes, and then say: "our bug has eaten all the palm trees - a crop of palm oil ... wait until the new palm trees grow."
On the other hand, Russia can also get oil and say: "the locksmith got sick, there is no one to assemble the planes ... wait."

do not extrapolate the relations of your country and its homies to all countries of the world !!

[voyaka uh]

We sell military equipment for currency. Or a military commissar for a military commissar, as in a deal with Italy, for example. For agricultural products - so far this has not happened ...

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: voyaka uh

We sell military equipment for currency. Or a military commissar for a military commissar, as in a deal with Italy, for example. For agricultural products - so far this has not happened ...

I doubt that the gang of your countries covers every contract in detail in the press !!

[lazy]

Komsomolsk all in Chinese was dressed in Chinese, down jackets, leather jackets, dog coats stew "Great Wall", etc., helped to survive. Now the Komsomol in all of Indonesia will go?

[Wolka]

very interesting the water of the indian ocean begins to boil

[Stas Snezhin]

Indonesia will acquire 11 fighters Su-35 with a full complement of weapons

Well, at least without pilots ..

[St Petrov]

the pilots are already studying with us, since such a contract. so they will also pay for the training of flight personnel

[pavelty]

It’s too early, the training program is about six months or even less.
If the delivery is the beginning of the 19th, then the beginning of the training is about the summer of the 18th, I’m thinking a little about this)

[St Petrov]

where are they studying now? Voronezh?

[Livonetc]

Quote: Teberii

Planes for bananas and coconuts, reasonably.

What reason is needed ?.
GDP - $ 859 billion
GDP growth in 2017 will be more than 5%
Inflation 3%
The population of 262 million people.
Literacy rate 98,97%
Everything is pretty good with industry, but planes don’t produce it, yes, alas, they still don’t fly into space.

[Awaz]

I always repeat the same mantra: the presence in the country of modern production does not mean that the country is well developed technologically. All production, stopudovo foreign and natives only work there. They practically do not own technology. They stupidly collect what they are allowed to collect overseas uncles. Yes, they earn money and, not knowing what to do with it, they buy weapons. However, something they themselves are unlikely to ever come up with something. Although I do not rule out that anything is possible _ all of a sudden, from palm oil, they learn to do something tricky, which will be used all over the world (no, not a milk substitute)))

[voyaka uh]

"They stupidly collect what they are allowed to collect overseas uncles" ///

Your mantra is wrong. Do not repeat it ever again.
Assembly is technology in itself. Called "assembly technology." And sometimes there is a higher level of complexity. If any machine is assembled from thousands of parts.
Collect it "stupidly" is impossible. You need to understand the sequence of operations, use the right tool, etc. And then the machine will work and will work for many years.
China in the 90s opened tens of thousands of foreign industries. And he patiently studied with "foreign uncles" how to properly assemble. And they learned, then moving on to copying, and then on to their industry. And they became the number two power in one generation with almost 20% of world GDP.

[ghby]

Quote: voyaka uh

Collect it "stupidly" is impossible. You need to understand the sequence of operations, use the right tool, etc.

To do this, there is a routing where everything is written. No need to think. So collecting someone else’s technology you won’t master.

[voyaka uh]

This amazes me that for years collecting dozens of brands of foreign cars in their factories, the Russians did not learn how to make their own quality. A stark contrast to China. At the factories, it’s not only the workers who collect on the technological map, but also the Russian engineers who have to delve into WHY such a map and HOW the nodes are made. To copy and improve them and build on their cars.

[Mih1974]

Yes shut up and get out of here if you're so dumb.
Russia has never invested a lot of money in the development of its competitive car, and even more so, Russia does not have such a diversity in high-quality components, both ready-made and factories themselves, from which it is possible to order "unique" spare parts. So do not lie here, in China - a car is assembled at the "one" plant, and parts for this car are made at the "second" plant. In Russia (after the collapse of the USSR), the production of just “parts” of cars was almost 100% deliberately destroyed, thereby undermining the ability to create a competitive car in the world !! The West can at any time prohibit the supply of any product to Russia, thereby removing any of our competitive development from the market. Actually the ban on the supply of offshore production equipment to Russia was such an attempt to kick us out of the gas market in Europe.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: voyaka uh

Collect it "stupidly" is impossible. You need to understand the sequence of operations, use the right tool, etc. And then the machine will work and will work for many years.

really one person collects everything from memory ???

[Mih1974]

Enough here already rubbing their "fairy tales for gentiles"
Just "assembly" is the most stupid of everything in the technical process of production of any highly complex products.
For those who are not involved: just the assembly is the simplest job, for the reason that the "assembly" as a Process is developed by smart people who are high-level specialists who understand both the "part" itself and the process of its "assembly"!
The so-called "high qualification of the collector", in fact, there is a narrow-minded specialization that allows you to do some specific task, but does not give the slightest opportunity to create or develop other types of goods. That is, if (conditionally) tomorrow the Boss says "all the factory is closed, everyone has been fired," then the new owner of such an assembly shop (factory) will not be able to "gather workers" and set a task for them - come up with a similar product that you did, but make it better or for other purposes !!
The given example of China is a blatant box, or rather, a distortion. In fact, in China, it was not the “collectors” who stole the technology and allowed them to create such factories, let alone steal the Technologies themselves and start making “Chinese copies”. For those who are familiar with the production, they understand that the System of "collectors" + "technologists" acted to which they brought all possible information.
In this regard, Indonesia did not even “close” to the China System for the theft of technology and funds invested in the development of science in China. Something China very much resembles the USSR in the 30-50s of the last century, then they also "looked" at what and how is done at the factories purchased entirely, "next to" were smart people who dismantled technical processes, "understood" them on the basis of this understanding - already created a domestic technical school. The result of this in the USSR was - superiority over the most perfect (at that time) army of the World by Nazi Germany. Despite the fact that at the time of the “victory of the Revolution” in the USSR, technical education and applied science in general, which makes it possible to create something, were lower than any baseboard, well, at least significantly lower than Germany.
Actually, even China, with all its achievements in science and copying, and our and other aircraft, is still engaged in the "application" of other people's decisions. Their latest “achievement” in the military aircraft industry is the Chimera of Russian and American aircraft.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: AwaZ

Yes, they earn money and do not know what to do with it

something somehow too optimistic about Indonesia !! didn’t confuse her with anyone ???

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Livonetc

Everything is pretty good with industry, but planes don’t produce it, yes, alas, they don’t fly into space yet

and it wasn’t easier to list a short list of countries that can produce planes and fly into space, and then throw a presentation to the countries remaining outside this list ???

[Mih1974]

Nizya, for Zhydovidia is not included in this list and "it will turn out inconveniently"

[etrofimov]

Everything is absolutely right, it’s necessary, it’s even necessary to pump up with arms the pairs of countries that are potentially hostile to each other, of course, not disinterestedly: for example, India and China, India and Pakistan, South Africa and Angola ..
and grandmothers will earn immediately and then on spare parts and ammunition we’ll have a pretty good time ..
As the classics said: Divide et impera (Divide and conquer)!
In foreign regions that are not under control, we need to wreak havoc as much as possible! And grandmas at the same time weld!

[Goldmitro]

half of the contract - $ 570 million - will be paid for by commodity deliveries.

[/ quote] [quote]

Obviously, again, Indonesia will supply palm oil. This is how much shit we have yet to consume under the guise of products, supposedly from milk! When does the concern for people's health stop this?

[Prjanik]

[/ quote] Obviously, again, Indonesia will supply palm oil. This is how much shit we have yet to consume under the guise of products, supposedly from milk! When will public health stop this? [Quote]

In any case, it’s better than our everywhere lying low-oleic sunflower.

[donavi49]

I repeat. Could one aircraft be exchanged for 2 Makassar in the fattest kit. They are built in 1,5 by the way. Any filling. And this is objectively the best landing ship that the Navy can receive over the next 5 years.

[serg2.72]

Quote: ghby

Quote: voyaka uh

Collect it "stupidly" is impossible. You need to understand the sequence of operations, use the right tool, etc.

To do this, there is a routing where everything is written. No need to think. So collecting someone else’s technology you won’t master.

Wow! The aborigine cried from a palm tree and, oh yes, read the technological maps, and the other aboriginal cried and let's set up the equipment. And the cards are all written in the language of the Aboriginal people, so do you think?

[Mih1974]

Aboriginal tears from a palm tree and they put him at the desk and teach him, but they’re not understanding, they are teaching, but Action. Conventionally, "take this green and put it in a square", this will allow you to assemble even a spaceship, but will not even allow you to develop a new nut, simply because of a misunderstanding of what can be improved in it. Actually, the majority of writers here do not understand (at the lower level) how the site works, on the computer, on the Internet, and - nothing, more or less we write and we use high-tech equipment in our work, without going into the task of understanding exactly how it does it.
Yes, far to go - we all use Electricity every day and We think that we understand what it is, while one of the leading physicists once said to a student who said that he understands what electricity is "you’re a happy person, but I’ve been studying this phenomenon for decades still could not understand him "(C)

[_Jack_]

According to the statement, half of the contract - $ 570 million - will be paid for in goods.

Actually, what's the difference in goods or money? The main thing is at what price this oil will be considered. If the price is normal, then they will easily sell this oil in our country and there will be money. Our manufacturers are prod. goods buy this oil abroad, so they will buy in the domestic market.

[complete zero]

Quote: Topotun

Honestly, it’s not at all clear why are they generally of Indonesia? Is she fighting someone? Or is there a threat of war? It would be better to take MiG-29. Everything is cheaper. And the possibilities are not much worse. Why do they need the 35th?

the possibilities are still probably worse ... and the payload and range, etc. ... although they really have someone to fight with?))))

[gorenina91]

-Maybe for starters ... -It's better to offer ... glass beads ... and then .., over time ... and Su-35 ...
-And then ... somehow so immediately ... -Yes for sure ...- and for long-term debt ...
- They haven’t got so many bananas, coconuts and palm oil in a hundred years ...

[complete zero]

Quote: gorenina91

-Maybe for starters ... -It's better to offer ... glass beads ... and then .., over time ... and Su-35 ...
-And then ... somehow so immediately ... -Yes for sure ...- and for long-term debt ...
- They haven’t got so many bananas, coconuts and palm oil in a hundred years ...

well, it’s necessary to stake out the market (I think so?) a holy place is never empty ... it would be nice to sell to Israel, for example ... they don’t take it (“although our people are a quarter past”))))