President of Kazakhstan signed a decree on the transition of the alphabet into Latin

Kazakhstan leader Nursultan Nazarbayev signed a decree on transitioning the Kazakh alphabet from Cyrillic to Latin before 2025, reports TASS with reference to the website of the President of the Republic.

In order to ensure the translation of the alphabet of the Kazakh language from Cyrillic to the Latin script, I decide: to approve the attached alphabet of the Kazakh language, based on the Latin script, to the Government of the Republic of Kazakhstan: to form a National Commission for the translation of the alphabet of the Kazakh language into the Latin script; to provide a phased translation of the Kazakh alphabet into Latin graphics up to 2025,

says the decree.

It is reported that the decree comes into force from the date of publication.

A new draft of the Kazakh alphabet in Latin contains 32 letters, the sounds specific to Kazakh speech are indicated by letters with apostrophes.

In April of this year, Nazarbayev instructed the government to draw up a timetable for the transition of the Kazakh alphabet to the Latin alphabet. At the same time, the head of state assured that with the transition of the Kazakh alphabet to the Latin alphabet, the country would not abandon the Russian language and the use of the Cyrillic alphabet.

Comments

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Hmm, horror, nothing more to do.
Thumb up sign once.

[The black]

With YOUR alphabet let them do what they want. Well this is how much dough it takes to rewrite everything and everything, replace documents, reprint laws, books, and textbooks. Two-thirds of books will remain unwritten and will be inaccessible to the younger generation in the future. This is called - the woman had no worries, but she got a piglet for herself!

[cniza]

I repeat, Nazarbayev wants to leave a deeper trace in history, but he does not care about the problems of people.

[Tatyana]

Power is sweet - I want Nazarbayev and his clan to stay in it longer! So he rowing in Kazakhstan quietly from Russia (and Russians) away - to the delight and in favor of its enemies.

[Antianglosax]

The photo is not with North Korean generals ?!

[Lycan]

With them. Longtime meme.

[dorz]

Nothing wrong with that. In the 23rd year, my children will only finish school, and at 25m you can go to study again

[LSA57]

Quote: cniza

Nazarbayev wants to leave a deeper trace in history, but he does not care about people's problems.

East is a delicate matter...
Hi

[Cutter]

However, no one squeals that the Allies betrayed ??? In !!! We switched to another language. "Congratulations" - those who do not "love" this country much --- BELARUS !!! Do not love, do not kiss ...

[Smog]

Quote: Black

Well this is how much dough will go

Directly removed from the tongue. The Kazakh land is rich, oh rich ...... Everyone and everyone .....

[LSA57]

Quote: Black

Well this is how much dough it takes to rewrite everything and everything, replace documents, reprint laws, books, and textbooks. Two-thirds of books will remain unwritten and will be inaccessible to the younger generation in the future.

and how many unwritten? but he wants to push his story further. here is the opinion of the Baltic about the same

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Quote: Black

With YOUR alphabet let them do what they want. Well this is how much dough it takes to rewrite everything and everything, replace documents, reprint laws, books, and textbooks. Two-thirds of books will remain unwritten and will be inaccessible to the younger generation in the future. This is called - the woman had no worries, but she got a piglet for herself!

This is for you with your Alphabet, but I’m learning to write again, for example, for me it’s going to school.

[avt]

Quote: Black

With YOUR alphabet let them do what they want.

To the captain, mana! Nada is still a Latin number to enter and consider chopsticks.

[xetai9977]

This is the sovereign right of the Kazakhs. They are free to accept whatever alphabet they want. Latin in any step forward. Almost all Turkic countries switched to Latin, with the exception of Kyrgyzstan. The integration of Turkic countries is only a matter of time. I wish success to the Kazakhs!

[bddrus]

and what is ahead then? What is the Latin ahead of the Cyrillic alphabet? unification of all? globalization?

[avt]

Quote: xetai9977

Integration of Turkic countries is only a matter of time

Oh well. Just exactly the same as our suckers dreaming of Pan-Slavism. You can’t even see Greater Azerbaijan like your own ears, since there is neither Stalin nor the USSR, and for Stalin after the war this project turned out to be unbearable.And with regards to Turkey, Erdogan has to do with your pan-Turkism in the phalos, he is dreaming of the neo-Ottoman Empire. What is called - feel the difference.

Quote: xetai9977

Almost all Turkic countries switched to Latin,

Now in Moscow would be to mow the shopping center ,, Moscow "and ,, Birdie" like Cherkizon and the stalls near the metro, so immediately go to the Roman tsifiri, especially in Azerbaijan. Well, in general, I really join

Quote: xetai9977

I wish success to the Kazakhs!

Especially in training specialists for the future ,, space power "

[Karen]

Quote:
Especially in training specialists for the future ,, space power "bully
With experts, their affairs are put on the right track: from around the world they hire for a lot of money .... There the real leader is sitting ...

[1974]

Thank you brother!!!! Rahmet !!!!

[Tolmatch]

And this is a step forward to what, let me curiosity? Sign thinking is one of the most important components of thinking, as such. Generations of Kazakhs have already grown up, whose symbolic thinking has developed in the format of writing and reading the words of the Kazakh language in Cyrillic. And also, what do you mean by "integration of the Turkic countries". By the way, let me remind you that Kazakhstan is only the Türks, but also many other nations. Even a political leader, speaking to the people, says: "Dear Kazakhstanis" ...

[axiles100682]

Why not in Arabic script right away?

[haenx]

disagree with you. in Cyrillic written many technical medical fundamental monographs, magazines, books. If we lose contact with the Cyrillic, a technological failure will occur. Our country is, therefore, in the last position of technological development.

[avt]

Quote: haenx

disagree with you. in Cyrillic written many technical medical fundamental monographs, magazines, books. If we lose contact with the Cyrillic, a technological failure will occur.

Well, at least ONE from the crowd rejoicing in type

Quote: Semurg

As with the transfer of our capital, there was a lot of “barking”, and the caravan was on. Now we have the beautiful Astana, which has solved a number of our problems. The transition to the Latin alphabet will also provide a solution to many parallel problems.

Thinking about the practical consequences of this event in the short and medium term!

Quote: haenx

If we lose contact with the Cyrillic, a technological failure will occur.

I’ll clarify - in fact with education in Russian. Since the eradication of illiteracy after 1917 and the subsequent development of education up to the highest professional, technical, was carried out precisely on it and within the framework of the Red Empire-USSR. But in short, can you create by the efforts of ONE Kazakhstan a new education system, and even at a level not lower than the Soviet one in the new alphabet ..... Well, wait and see. Flag in hand - surprise the World and the City

[79807420129]

Well, gentlemen, Kazakhs sympathize with you, speak and think in Kazakh and Russian, and you will write in Latin, just don’t break your fingers.

[Solomon Kane]

First, the alphabet will be abolished, then the language, ........ The prologue is painfully familiar ....
I would advise them to immediately switch to Chinese ....

[Nasrat]

The famous Uzbek poet and dissident Muhammad Salih, who lives in Istanbul, turned to the leadership and residents of Kazakhstan about the transition to the Latin alphabet, urging them not to repeat the “Uzbek error”. According to Salih, when switching to the Latin alphabet, Uzbekistan did not take into account the problem of diphthongs, syngarmonisms and adopted the "alphabet with a flaw."
“We complained that the Cyrillic alphabet does not reflect the sigmonalistic features of the Uzbek language (harmony of vowels), in addition, we also found letters such as“ щ “,“ ч “in Cyrillic spelling and used this alphabet from 1939 to 90 of the last century. When switching to Latin, Uzbek officials also did not solve this problem, ”Salih said.
According to Muhammad Salih, the decision to switch to the Latin alphabet in Uzbekistan was made spontaneously and the Latin never entered the daily life of the Uzbek people. However, on the whole, Salih supports the idea of ​​Latinization, emphasizing that it will help the main goal - "unification of the Turkic world."( )
Uzbekistan has been switching to the Latin alphabet since 1920, but even by 2015 the Latin alphabet was not introduced in all spheres of life of the Uzbek society. Only the sphere of education and partly office work have been translated into Latin. The print media still use the Cyrillic alphabet, and both Cyrillic and Latin are used on television and on the Internet. For 97 years, Uzbekistan has not completed the transition to the Latin alphabet.
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[Bulrumeb]

on the whole, Salih supports the idea of ​​Latinization, emphasizing that it will help the main goal - “unification of the Turkic world”

yeah, just like this specifically Kazakhs and Uzbeks for unification and did not have enough

[1974]

We will write in Kazakh in Latin letters, and doctors write in Latin, so you know!

[siberalt]

There isn’t enough time to come up with your own alphabet and script, what can you do? That's why they are descendants of Genghis Khan.

[Antianglosax]

Quote: siberalt

There isn’t enough time to come up with your own alphabet and script, what can you do? That's why they are descendants of Genghis Khan.

At what a fright descendants ? Speaking specifically about the Kazakhs, they even never had their own statehood ... Either as part of the horde, or Russia. And everything that they invented for themselves there does not stand up to any criticism.

[Doliva63]

I will say more - they only became Kazakhs under the Union, before they were northern Kirghiz.

[Aposlya]

Quote: Doliva63

I will say more - they only became Kazakhs under the Union, before they were northern Kirghiz.

Well, actually, Kazakhs have been calling themselves COSSACS all their lives. The word kazakhi is already a Russian tracing-paper introduced by the decision of the Council of People's Commissars in 1936 ... And by the way, Kazakhs have never been called "northern Kyrgyz", learn the materiel!

[turcom]

It was originally formed as the Kyrgyz Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic as part of the RSFSR on August 26, 1920 with its capital in Orenburg. In February 1925, the Orenburg region was withdrawn from the Kyrgyz Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic and transferred to the RSFSR, and the capital was moved to Kyzyl-Orda (1925), then to Alma-Ata (1929).

As a result of the national-state demarcation of Central Asia in 1924-1925, all Kazakh lands were united. In 1925, the Kyrgyz Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was renamed the Kazak Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. On July 20, 1930, Karakalpakia was separated from it to the RSFSR, later transferred to the Uzbek SSR. On February 5, 1936, the Kazak Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was renamed the Kazakh Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic.

On December 5, 1936, the Kazakh Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was given the status of a union republic.

[Aposlya]

Quote: Antianglosaks

Speaking specifically about the Kazakhs, they even never had their own statehood ... Either as part of the horde, or Russia.

The Kazakhs had their own statehood for the first time back in the days of the Turkic Kaganate ... Well, the Horde is the state of the Kazakhs, the ulus of Genghis Khan and Jochi Khan are Kazakh tribes! The same founder of the Golden Horde is buried near Zhezkazgan (KZ) ...

[1974]

do not pay attention to these ignoramuses, brother !!!!

[Rock2]

That's how they lose friends !!! ...

[axiles100682]

Yes, yes, and they’re rubbing friends, Russian-speaking neighbors and, in general, the Russian-speaking population. But our oralmans are untouchable.

[Coconut]

Well, at least kill, I don’t understand why the hell does he need it ???

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: Coco

... why the hell does he need it ???

At the same time, back in April, Nazarbayev assured that Kazakhstan would not give up the Russian language and the use of the Cyrillic alphabet, according to the National News Service.

- Why then, except how to wait and look at all this remains ??? Here is some kind of writing they will appear ...

[siberalt]

I wonder how they will have the capital “S” and soft “Sh” in the Latin alphabet. Or, as Latin write -
- Shymkent, for example?

[Zalym]

Quote: siberalt

will be uppercase "s"

Y

Quote: siberalt

and soft "W"

What is soft w?

Quote: siberalt

Or, as Latin write -
- Shymkent, for example

S'ymkent

[Aposlya]

Read the article carefully ... or look at the book - can I see a fig? Sound Y - Y.
Shymkent = S'ymkent ....

[Siban]

Quote: Black

This is called - the woman had no worries, but she got a piglet for herself!

Are you talking about "Crimea"
Kazakhs actually seriously thought about switching to the Latin alphabet exactly after the "Russian Spring" in Ukraine. Talks of translating the alphabet into Latin were long since 90's, but they remained conversations. All was left for later. It was clearly not up to that. But here, unexpectedly, “CrimeaNash”, “Novorossiya” happened, which made me look at the situation from a completely different perspective. The country's leadership was unpleasantly surprised not so much by the explicit intervention of the "hand of Moscow", but by the positive reaction of a large part of the Kazakhs. Highlighted the strength and power of the Russian state propaganda. At one time, Mustafa Kemal switched to Latin, successfully led Turkey away from Islam, and in the Republic of Kazakhstan they want to cut off Russian influence. The Kremlin’s actions in Ukraine have clearly shown what inaction can lead to in this matter ...

Quote: siberalt

how to write Latin -
- Shymkent, for example?

I no longer like the way Kazakhstan will be spelled in Latin. The old version, I see more beautiful than with the letter "Q, q"

[1974]

but I like the new option!)) What do you want ?! it’s for us to live with the new alphabet, and you will forget tomorrow!

[axiles100682]

You, and in the course of time it’s time for us to say goodbye to the beloved and dear homeland, and return to the historical ...

[The black]

By the way ... Kazakhs are not pioneers. The first was Uzbekistan, but he could not abandon the Cyrillic alphabet. The process of a complete transition to the Latin alphabet has dragged on for a quarter of a century in Uzbekistan. Due to delays, the deadline for transferring to the Latin alphabet was first postponed to 2005, and then to 2010. Perhaps, realizing that all the deadlines have expired, and things are still there, Uzbek officials have recently been trying not to touch on this topic publicly.

[Tatyana]

In Uzbekistan, in remote villages, young people are already completely illiterate - they can neither read nor write at all! And they are so illiterate - from distant villages - for 15 years they have been coming to us in Russia to work as migrant workers!
The main departure of the bulk of the urban population to work in the Russian Federation and other countries in Uzbekistan has long ended. The ratio of urban to villagers among migrant workers from Uzbekistan to the Russian Federation is approximately equal to 1:10 or 1: 9

[alexmach]

And what about the city? Do they work in their cities and do not go to work?

[Tatyana]

alexmach
And what about the city? Do they work in their cities and do not go to work?

Urban travel, of course, but to a large extent less than in the beginning and what became of it later - from rural regions. In rural areas in the outback, schools have long been closed and now they are almost completely gone. Even the machine operator must be competent. Illiteracy is also not needed in their Uzbek cities. There are enough of their marginals in cities.
In general, for 25 years, Russian and Russian-speaking people left Uzbekistan (their Uzbek nationalist marketers simply squeezed them out), enterprises with mainly Russian and Russian-speaking personnel closed, and there is also nothing special for citizens to pay for services. So ordinary people live, sliding down the social ladder. One way out is guest workers. One Uzbek guest worker in Russia can earn a month to support 20 unemployed relatives in Uzbekistan.
Uzbek woman working in a grocery store as a weighing machine on an automatic scale. I personally boasted several years ago that in six months she would earn in Russia a new whole house in her homeland and would successfully marry at the same time.

[siberalt]

In fact of the matter. Uzbeks are a thousand-year-old civilization that has given the world great scientists and thinkers, which Kazakhs did not have offspring (only without offense). The tongue is boneless, but it can be trimmed at the root (which makes the Latin foreign to it) and you get the "Babylonian syndrome." Any "attempt" on the language of their ancestors leads to the degradation and disappearance of the nation, state and the blur of self-identification of a single community of a particular people, as such.

[Aposlya]

What are the Uzbek thinkers that are not from Kazakh clans or tribes? You will be very surprised!

[Zalym]

In fact, almost all of these scientists were Persians.

[Bulrumeb]

this despite the fact that it was the Uzbeks who were considered the most civilized

[1974]

I saw guys in Orsk .. not able to read and write!

[Per se.]

Quote: Coco

I do not understand why the hell he needs it ???

So, they will be closer to the "true civilization", to the West, like, one more "tse Europe" ... Well, Russia, it should be understood, they will not have anything here, it’s not for nothing that Tselinograd was renamed, and the capital was from Alma -Aty to the newly-named Astana in the Russian-speaking north moved, the former virgin lands staked out.

[alexmach]

So, they will be closer to "true civilization", to the West, such as, another "Tse Europe"

Yes, no. The problem is that they drift away not to the west, or rather not to that west. They are drifting toward Turkey under the wing, and for Russia this may turn out to be worse than a drift towards the United States.

And so - their language is their business. Most likely they will simply break their own education system and make it inaccessible to parts of their own population. Strengthen social stratification. Lower overall literacy.

For a while, instead of one “letter” they will use two. If they can carry out an organized transition, the consequences can be minimized ... If.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Coco

Well, at least kill, I don’t understand why the hell does he need it ???

Along the way, this is a manifestation of “Kuchmism” (L. Kuchma “Ukraine is not Russia”), in the Nazarbayev version with the analogue “Kazakhstan is not Russia”. Will it benefit? The northern territories of Kazakhstan, where there are a large number of Russian-speaking residents, will perceive this law clearly without enthusiasm, which those who prepared the project cannot know, but in fact a time bomb to start an ethnic conflict. The eastern regions of Urquain are an example of this.

[Lelek]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Will it benefit?

Hey. Of course it will. Imagine the delight of the Arats when, after "sitting down" under a saxaul bush, they will wipe themselves with a newspaper with symbols of the Latin alphabet, and not the boring Cyrillic alphabet. In general, Nazarbay could not come up with a more stupid event (it seems that this decision was not dictated by Abishevich himself, but by his offspring who had been educated in "foreign countries"). I can imagine what will happen to the politics of Kazakhstan after the last mourning chord on the deceased president and the ascension to the throne of one of the members of his clan. We must be prepared for this.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Lelek

Quote: Nyrobsky

Will it benefit?

Hi ............. I can imagine what will happen to the politics of Kazakhstan after the last mourning chord on the deceased president and the ascension to the throne of one of the members of his clan. We must be prepared for this.

I wish you good health! I'm afraid it will be worse than Vna Urkaine. There will be a relative peace until Abishevich is at the helm and restrains the inter-clan fuss of the “southern”, “central” and “northern” for power. He will not be, this boiler will slam so that it will not seem to either the Cyrillic supporters or the Latin supporters. against those and others will be those who will carry flags with Arabic script.

[Lelek]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Nyrobsky

And I'm talking about the same thing. IMHO, knowing this future, it is now necessary to take preventive measures, given that Kazakhstan is our Adam's apple.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Lelek

Quote: Nyrobsky

Nyrobsky

And I'm talking about the same thing. IMHO, knowing this future, it is now necessary to take preventive measures, given that Kazakhstan is our Adam's apple.

Yes .... Something like this.

[Smog]

Quote: Lelek

preventive measures must already be taken,

Urgently need to build a wall. I'm really serious.

[Lelek]

Quote: Smog

Urgently need to build a wall.

Hi, Konstantin.
Looks like a pin up. No wall needed. IMHO, you need to work more closely with the nat, cadres and prepare successors, as was the case in the tsarist Russian Empire and during the years of the USSR. Today it seems that we simply missed this area in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and let it go by itself. But our sworn "partners" are very closely involved in this and spend huge amounts of money on the "cultivation" of their personnel. And in most cases, their efforts and costs are justified. Well, and in addition to the above, we must actively use electronic means of propaganda. And the wall is a bluff, it did not protect China from the Mongol-Uyghur raids and the collapse of the Middle Kingdom.

[Smog]

Quote: Lelek

Looks like a pin

A lion! Hello! : Yes, no jokes. I’m afraid it wouldn’t work out like with the outskirts, where the border is drawn on the map for the most part, and even then something like that.

Quote: Lelek

you need to work more closely with nat, cadres and prepare successors,

It will be hard. The whole point is that almost all the young growth in the post-Soviet space of education is received in the West, and our strengths also send their children to study there too. And what do you think, after studying at some Massachusetts University Russophile will return to his homeland? Oh, tormented by vague doubts about me, oh, torment me. And you need to start with the fact that our young cadres would study here and not in the tin, and then pull up our neighbors. Then you can work with them and prepare pro-Russian cadres. And since now ......, I'm sorry, a bunch in a puddle.

[Dedall]

Totally agree with you. And the daughter of our great leader in foreign affairs is an example of this. I read somewhere that she directly stated: "I will never return to this dirty Russia." So the most interesting thing is that dad was not cut off for marriage in the work of this very body.

[Lelek]

Quote: Dedall

Dedall

Do not la la. Lavrov's daughter lives and works in Moscow. Don't get carried away by fake news (as US Secretary of Comrade Comrade Trump said).

[1974]

we do not use newspapers to wipe! we sing and use toilet paper! and you know all the third newspaper then yes? oh, poor fellow!

[garnik]

Landmark Turkey. Not for nothing that Nazarbayev seeks the reunion of the Türks.

“As Ataturk said:“ The time will come when all the Turks will unite. ”Therefore, I want to greet all the Turkic-speaking brothers. Over 200 million brothers live between Altai and the Mediterranean Sea. If we all come together, we will be a very effective force in the world,” Nursultan Abishevich stated at the Turkish-Kazakh business forum
This says it all and no need to look for a dirty trick.

[alexmach]

Very accurate. The idea of ​​uniting the Türks in our shaky world is potentially very strong, so who is it that will allow them so smart to unite? Maybe the USA or China?

[garnik]

China is definitely against it. The United States can take possession of Siberia by the hands of the Turks. And Russia is not clear, as the famous poet wrote: “One cannot understand Russia with intelligence, cannot measure common arshin: it’s special to become one - you can only believe in Russia.” So we hope and believe that it’s not us touches.

[alexmach]

And what can Russia just do? To counteract the sticks in the wheels they insert most likely will lead only to the opposite consequences. Try not to spoil relations with them as long as possible and wait for your opportunity. Maybe the Turan project will not take off, maybe it will be possible to again pull the Soviet fragments into its orbit (but for this, something significant must change in Russia). Maybe it will probably coexist with this Turan but not to the detriment of itself. Nevertheless, he will need much more in Russia than China, the USA, Europe, and generally anyone. You can still get a real ally.

[Ivan Ivanov]

The Russian Federation can act in the same way as the USSR did in its time - to offer an attractive unifying model. no other way.

[alexmach]

That's the whole point that there is either nothing to offer or very little to offer.
There is no huge leap into the future, as in the days of the USSR. There is not enough money or the wealth of the bowels there for all of them; they already do not have enough for the system existing in Russia itself. Nothing to offer them now.

[garnik]

It's simple, you need to destroy the center of gravity. But while we are contributing to the Turan project with our actions. Of course, it is possible to coexist if Russia is ready to become a Moscow state. That is how the Turks see Russia. The Moscow State itself will need strong allies. Unless of course someone lends a helping hand.
A large number of countries interested in the death of Russia.

[alexmach]

It's simple, you need to destroy the center of gravity

Firstly, will Russia pull this? Secondly, what will be the consequences of such destruction for herself?

Moscow State itself will need strong allies

And now it doesn’t need them? Russia itself is also not a big country, in terms of population only one and a half times more than Turkey. She herself also needs to create alliances with someone. It is desirable that this someone be able to have a position that is so independent (from Western partners). Another thing is that your ally should not want your death and the dismemberment of your body .. yes.

[garnik]

Quote: alexmach

It's simple, you need to destroy the center of gravity

Firstly, will Russia pull this? Secondly, what will be the consequences of such destruction for herself?

Moscow State itself will need strong allies

And now it doesn’t need them? Russia itself is also not a big country, in terms of population only one and a half times more than Turkey. She herself also needs to create alliances with someone. It is desirable that this someone be able to have a position that is so independent (from Western partners). Another thing is that your ally should not want your death and the dismemberment of your body .. yes.

I think that in the collapse of a well-known state, there are enough interested countries, even our enemies. You just need to come to a common denominator. They found the PMV common interest, but Ulyanov prevented. It is necessary to strengthen Iran, it has the same opponents in the region as ours.


It was in Turkey in 1923 that it had 13 million people. Now under 80 million people, Russia is 135 million. and 144 million. now. Allies are needed like air. And yet Russia should try to unite Slavic states around itself. There are many ways you just want to. Exception Poland.

[alexmach]

I think in the collapse of a well-known state of sufficiently interested countries, even our enemies

That’s yes, they can even “roll” without Russia in general. Another question is what threatens Russia itself? Well, for example, the closure of the Bosphorus?

They found the PMV common interest, but Ulyanov prevented

Firstly, it is a fairy tale that Ulyanov prevented, and secondly, because of this "interest" and ruined the Russian Empire. She had to contrive to avoid war and decide at that time you would look at your internal problems and Ulyanov would not be needed.

And yet Russia should try to unite Slavic states around itself.

I think this is a recipe from the 19th century, and in general, even then it did not work. Of course, if it had at least managed to unite with Belarus and part of Ukraine, it would be just fine, but even with Belarus dependent on Russia, nothing comes of it. Perhaps if Ukraine is waiting for the complete collapse of statehood, then after that it will be possible to pick up something and it will even be good for the selected parts, but firstly the collapse of this is not yet visible, secondly, the partners have long been on the watch - they are struggling to resist and enough successfully. And as for the more western Slavs - there’s nothing to even think about. There can only be hope for the Serbs, and they are “hesitating”, look at NATO soon.

[garnik]

1. Russia should be involved in the partition, just the straits Russia should control, otherwise they will go into the wrong hands.
2 I have already cited the story of the blockade of Ankira by the Greek troops many times. When they went to the armistice with the Turks due to lack of food and ammunition. Both turned to Bolshevik Russia for support, but she chose the Turks. You can google it in order to know the amount of aid, and the next year they repeated help from a starving country. The Turks welcomed the young Soviet country and created a communist party, but it was subsequently banned.
3.And that in our government there are those interested in uniting Ukrainians and Belarusians with Russians into a single union.? Well, if only GDP, then the big question. The Belarusians were scared away when the Russian side, on the subject of unification, demanded to put their (Belarusian) enterprises at an auction, i.e. privatization.
In general, Russia has more resources to decide whether or not to have an alliance.
And what about the Serbs, they passed several used planes and are glad. Unfortunately, I think we will lose Serbia, we can offer nothing but weapons. Why not build a nuclear power plant in Serbia, well, no, we’re building in Turkey,

[alexmach]

1. Russia should be involved in the partition, just the straits Russia should control, otherwise they will go into the wrong hands.

Ho-ho.
He will eat, but who will give him (s)
These are dreams from about the same section as, for example, the colonization of Mars in the next five-year period.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Quote: garnik

Landmark Turkey. Not for nothing that Nazarbayev seeks the reunion of the Türks.

In this case, I wonder what Turkish values ​​are close to the former communist Nursultan, and what part does he count on?

[alexmach]

Here, in fact, thinking is the most pragmatic. He, like Erdogan, like any sane politician in our world, understands that small countries cannot survive alone, by any means, they must unite into huge empires. Following the example of Europe, the USA or China. So they are looking for the answer to the question with whom they will unite. The all-Turkic association seems to them the most attractive. Russia currently has nothing to offer in this regard, its unifying projects in the post-Soviet space have completely failed at the moment. Team up with the Chinese - scary, they just eat them and do not choke. As for unification with Europe, they, unlike the Turks, never had any illusions.

[alexmach]

And developing the theme of values:
1. Ethnically close, although not at all alike, but the Turks call them "brothers" and "our people" and not "unwashed chocks"
2. Languages ​​are somewhat similar, they have one root
3. Well, and religion.

[garnik]

Oddly enough, the Turks are developing faster than us. And they have something to offer for the market. This is what they are doing in all Turkic countries, including Tatarstan.

[alexmach]

At the moment, yes, the question is what will happen in the future, which of course we all still need to get into ...

[Ivan Ivanov]

You can’t go far on a close ethnic group with religion, or on a friendly pat. United with the Russian Federation Kazakhstan, and Kazakhstan united with Turkey, even with the current weakness of the Russian Federation, these are two big differences with my so-called I do not understand such pragmatics, honestly.

[alexmach]

And where did you see Kazakhstan combined with Russia then? Just as in 91 he himself pushed him away with clever conversations about his pies, so he has been in free swimming since then. Collaborate of course, but as they say, "tobacco bunches apart."
This is firstly, and secondly, explain in more detail what do you think these 2 big differences are between Russia and Turkey?

[Ivan Ivanov]

Quote: alexmach

And where did you see Kazakhstan combined with Russia then?

I talked about the hypothetical potential of 2 associations. The scientific and resource potentials, first of all, add the idea of ​​soc-ma at least according to the Chinese model (there is experience).

[alexmach]

The idea of ​​socialism is attractive to the poor but not needed by the elites.

Scientific potential - yes, but only for now. And after 10 years you look and there will be no difference.

Resource potential is also yes, but firstly, Kazakhstan itself is rich in resources, like other possible members of this association, like Azerbaijan, for example. So you will not surprise anyone with resources alone. And secondly, as I wrote above, Russian resources in the current resource-oriented economy are already not enough for Russia alone.

[1974]

This Turkey was given to you !!! far from us, no matter how we would like, through the Caucasus and the Black Sea it will not connect to us! ))) It's just so convenient for us to use the Latin alphabet, Cyrillic is our native language in Russian, and foreign in Kazakh!

[Karen]

Quote: IvanIvanov

Quote: garnik

Landmark Turkey. Not for nothing that Nazarbayev seeks the reunion of the Türks.

In this case, I wonder what Turkish values ​​are close to the former communist Nursultan, and what part does he count on?

Even in Soviet times, it was implanted in the consciousness that Nazarbayev was a direct descendant of Genghis Khan.

[Zalym]

Quote: Karen

Even in Soviet times, it was implanted in the consciousness that Nazarbayev was a direct descendant of Genghis Khan.

In Soviet times, he repeatedly stated that he was a descendant of ordinary peasants. And now no one speaks of his Genghis origin

[alexmach]

Yeah .. I just intesely "bay" at the end of the last name means something to me?

[Zalym]

Quote: alexmach

Yeah .. I just intesely "bay" at the end of the last name means something to me?

Not belonging to the genus of Genghis Khan.

[alexmach]

But to some local nobility, isn’t it?
And belonging to the genus of Genghis Khan for about 400 years seems to be not relevant.

[Zalym]

Quote: alexmach

But to some local nobility, isn’t it?

No. Just part of the name.

Quote: alexmach

And belonging to the genus of Genghis Khan for about 400 years seems to be not relevant.

Not 400, but 150-200 years.

[avt]

Quote: garnik

Landmark Turkey. Not for nothing that Nazarbayev seeks the reunion of the Türks.

Yes, for his money, even the Hungarians recognized him as the head of the Turkic world and corresponded from Finno-Ugrians to Turks! But the NAS did not give money.

Quote: alexmach

. The idea of ​​uniting the Turks in our shaky world is potentially very strong,

Well, I wrote today

Quote: avt

And with regards to Turkey, Erdogan’s Pasha is your pan-Turkism in the phalos, he is dreaming of the neo-Ottoman Empire. What is called - feel the difference.

Well, in light of the USA’s plans to create new states, it’s easy and easy to make Europe a Sick Man of Europe again.

Quote: garnik

The United States can take possession of Siberia by the hands of the Turks.

To begin with, Adzharia and Batum, from which they expelled the Russian army, having closed the bases, when Mishiko Ivanov handed over the Abashidze and de jure Turks with the removal from there, can now quite easily send troops for legitimate reasons, if only a few local Muslims will be touched. that while they’re buying everything there, objective reality is a feeling.

Quote: garnik

“As Ataturk said:“ The time will come when all the Turks will unite. ”Therefore, I want to greet all the Turkic-speaking brothers. Over 200 million brothers live between Altai and the Mediterranean Sea. If we all come together, we will be a very effective force in the world,” Nursultan Abishevich stated at the Turkish-Kazakh business forum

Well, that’s just understandable - he broke off with Eurasianism, again, the throne in the Kremlin is ONE and not only that a folding stool - they won’t let you put a stool nearby . Kazakhstan is small for the empire, and even though you yourself and the elbases are in the square, you will not become emperor, and the USSR WILL NOT even be included in the political bureau, not like general secretaries. Well, in old age, he plays the strategy - “The Turkic Emperor” hence this exhaust with the alphabet.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: avt

But NAS did not give money.

So who Medvedev taught bad. I knew that all the evil in this world is from the Turks.

Quote: avt

Well, I wrote today

How evil you are, let the Turks jump on the rake of pan-Turkism. They will surely succeed. Well, or according to Chernomyrdin, and perhaps according to Lavrov too.

Quote: avt

Well, in light of the USA’s plans to create new states, it’s easy and easy to make Europe a Sick Man of Europe again.

Kurds and Armenians applaud you frantically.

Quote: avt

Kazakhstan is small for the empire and even though you yourself and elbasy in the square call, you will not become emperor, and the USSR WILL NOT even be included in the political bureau, not like general secretaries. Well, in old age he plays a strategy - ,, The Turkic emperor "bully exhaust with the alphabet.

avt laughter laughs, but we have enough of such good. All these games of correct nationalism which cover the personal economic interests of the local "elite".

[avt]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

avt laughter laughs, but we have enough of such good.

And what actually was expected after

Take sovereignty as much as you want - EBN

[Karen]

Laziness was to turn the page and read the second paragraph? In Hungary, not only the descendants of your ugrofin... the Khazars also escaped from you, and their glorious descendants you see on the box every day ....

[avt]

Quote: Karen

the Khazars also escaped from you, and you see their glorious descendants in the mailbox every day ....

Wai Mae!

Quote: Karen

on the box every day ....

No matter how I turn it on, I see Dzhigarkhanyan!

[Karen]

Who wants to see something on the box, then he looks :)))

[alexmach]

Khazars, forgive me, they escaped from the Mongol invasion.

[Karen]

Quote: alexmach

Khazars, forgive me, they escaped from the Mongol invasion.

Wrong remember about 965g. ?

[alexmach]

I sprinkle ashes on my head, mixed up with the Polovtsy.

[alexmach]

Explain how the neo-Ottoman empire contradicts pan-Turkic ideas. They primarily use them for their political purposes. for example, "Turkoman in our Syria."

Well, in old age plays a strategy - ,, Turkic emperor "bully from here and this exhaust with the alphabet.

Yes, he himself, in my opinion, doesn’t really need anything. And he plays the right strategy

[Finches]

By and large, this is a personal matter of the Kazakhs — they want to be perceived in Europe as their own, but no matter how they puff, they will be Asians to the end of their civilization, for everyone .... As the French say, “this is the village "

[novel66]

so yes, but now how to read Kazakh inscriptions, say, not “toilet duckling”?

[Velizariy]

Quote: novel xnumx

how now to read Kazakh inscriptions, say, not "toilet duckling"?

Take a magazine or newspaper, you can leave it there.

[1974]

As if previously read in Kazakh! )))

[alexmach]

Yes, Europe has nothing to do with it. They do not mark Europe

[1974]

We are no longer fussing! We just live and grow !!! Indeed, a large part of our population lives in the Asian part, and a small part in the European, like most of the Russian Federation, that Asia is also in the Urals !!!

[may Day]

Then themselves, eyes and hands will not break to read this and write? )))

[Doliva63]

Quote: stas

no capitalist flea market

But who will give us !? Well, until the people are lowered below the plinth, he will stupidly believe in his personal bright future with this system.

[1974]

We do not want to become Europeans, we want to talk and write as we want! A Strong Economic Russia is also a myth, like Pan-Turkism !!! Great Russia, Great Mongolia, Great Albania .... all this is a soap bubble !!!!

[stolz]

Again, crap begins with the infringement of Russian, Russian literature and writing. Tired of all these "partners and colleagues" with their idiotic and incomprehensible initiatives and innovations.

[Aposlya]

Quote: Stolz

Again, crap begins with the infringement of Russian, Russian literature and writing. Tired of all these "partners and colleagues" with their idiotic and incomprehensible initiatives and innovations.

It is strange to hear from the forehead with a mattress on the flag lamentations about the protection of the Russian language, especially if no one touches the Russian language at all ... The changes will be in the spelling of the Kazakh language. Or not sober up in the morning yet?

[Ivan Ivanov]

Quote: Aposlya

It is strange to hear from the forehead with a mattress on the flag lamentations about the protection of the Russian language

All the same, the goal of this transition is interesting.

[Aposlya]

Quote: IvanIvanov

All the same, the goal of this transition is interesting.

Have you been writing pen texts for a long time? I don’t remember when already. Now, probably, texts are probably only written by students at lectures. All basically stuff it all on the keyboard. Printing in the Kazakh language in Cyrillic is generally not convenient, i.e. it turns out at the same time three layouts must have. If you go to the Latin alphabet, then there are only two - Russian and English, since Kazakh in Latin can be easily typed in the English layout. The Kazakh layout itself is already uncomfortable in that specific letters are located on the top numeric / symbolic keys. Those. on the Kazakh layout, many symbols or numbers of the upper row are no longer available - if you need a symbol, you have to switch to a different layout each time ... This is a purely personal IMHO ...

[Karen]

Quote: IvanIvanov

Quote: Aposlya

It is strange to hear from the forehead with a mattress on the flag lamentations about the protection of the Russian language

All the same, the goal of this transition is interesting.

Even 20 years ago, in Yakutia, you introduced very early education in English ... This is from the same opera ...

[1974]

you yourself !!! tired of ?! Close and sleep !!!

[Siberian]

Hello to our Foreign Ministry.

[Aposlya]

Quote: Siberian

Hello to our Foreign Ministry.

To yours? British or what?

[kuznec]

Pay attention to what is marked in red, and to the number of letters. In Latin - 26, in Russian - 33. In newfangled Kazakh -32.
You can still write with runes, or draw pictures, but 32 letters of the alphabet suggest that the Kazakhs have a long way to work to eradicate traditions! Russia drew borders for them, and industry built, and writing gave ...
My friend escaped from there in the 90s, so that they would not kill him and his family, their father was a military man. True, another acquaintance (a distinguished oil specialist), although Russian, is respected and still lives with his family there. So understand ... It seems that they will fall under China.

[Dorren]

Yes, there was a splash there - especially in the southern regions, you can’t calmly walk along the street. But then it somehow stabilized, although we took all the relatives out too.

[The black]

Quote: kuznec

It seems that they will fall under China.

so then it is necessary to pass to hieroglyphs

[ilimnoz]

Why go to hieroglyphs in China itself, Kazakhs still use Arabic script.

[The brightest]

Quote: ilimnoz

Why go to hieroglyphs in China itself, Kazakhs still use Arabic script.

Here I am of the same opinion ... Why the Latin, and not the ligature - it would be much more logical.

[Aposlya]

ligature is no longer modern ...

[The brightest]

For that it would be understandable why ... And then bam and instead of the normal alphabet, pornography with commas.

[1974]

Kazakh on a cypillar in general - 42 letters !!!

[Stas Snezhin]

Kazakh leader Nursultan Nazarbayev signed a decree on the transition to 2025 of the Kazakh alphabet from Cyrillic to Latin

Well, now the Kazakhs will heal like cheese in butter ..

[1974]

Heal mmmm! I’ll buy a jacket for myself, at low tide!

[Ferdinant]

Immediately and in parallel, you need to switch to Chinese characters, there is no need to trifle and time to pull.

[Dorren]

Rather, they should immediately switch to hieroglyphs, and they are all busy with the Latin alphabet. Oh, wee ...

[Masya masya]

Why not Arabic script? the very thing!

[novel66]

Well, for the "unification of the Turkic world" the very thing, but are smart people listen to such questions?

[SOF]

... well, good luck. The denyuzhka, which is now pouring in on a sea-okiyan for renaming, reprinting, and other, other, could be used more rationally, of course, but - it’s your money and you decide: where to get it and where to put it.
But, in my opinion, a terribly dubious achievement. The same “dashes” and “apostrophes” as with the Cyrillic alphabet. Although there is one sound, “S”, which is generally described by the player. Yes Yes. WAY is of course closer in phonetics to the sound "Y"

[novel66]

dyslexia shines for their children, definitely!

[1974]

Don’t be afraid, you haven’t buried us for 25 years !! Then everything will fall apart, then they will all run away, then they will die, then the Chinese will capture you, then the Americans, then pan-Turkism, etc. And we all live and get fatter !!!! Beer - In !!! There is plenty of meat, there are Machines, we are building houses, we are building railways, we have moved the capital! We introduce Latin alphabet !!! KVN won! Tomorrow we’ll fly to the moon !!! And we will not take you with us !!!!!)))))))))))

[novel66]

Kazakh brother - am I really against it? but together it was better

[1974]

In fact, we are always together !!! You just don’t notice !! Almost every 10th car with Russian license plates in Astana !!!!

[novel66]

in the Ukraine, too, it began with trifles - I would not want to repeat

[Aposlya]

I understand you - "you are burnt in milk and you blow into the water." But in general, Maidan in Ukraine did not begin at all on changing the font - by the way, they still sit in Cyrillic. If you go into the history of the issue, so there first was the “Orange Revolution” of orange scarves with Yushchenko at the head, and then it started! Amerikosy there robbed dough thrown ...

[Sergey53]

About 10 years ago, or maybe even earlier, he was already trying to crank it up. It didn’t work out. The Russian-speaking KAZAKHs moved to RUSSIA. Now they have moved towards Turkey. They have it closely organized training and work on Turkish grants. Construction of madrassas, mosques. There is a systemic separation from RUSSIA.

[Elevator in the building]

What can we say about Kazakhstan or Uzbekistan, you look into Russia, for example, into Yakutia, oh, sorry - SAHA, al into independent (!) Tatarstan ... I don’t mention a certain “state in the state” in the Caucasus ..

[1974]

So before the talk, but everything goes in a bunch !!!

[uscib]

Everywhere in our media, I can only hear how cool it is and how everyone approves of it, but I have not yet met a single Kazakh who I agree with, just mates.
And everything is violet to the Russians, but I feel sorry for the money for this crap.
Everyone agrees that Nazarbayev falls into insanity ...

[Babalaykin]

similarly, they especially laughed at the first option with two letters, it so happened that some could not pronounce the names.

[32363]

the Kazakhs are turning away from Russia more and more, the first step was the transfer of the capital to Tselinograd, which led to the crowding out of the Russian-speaking population from the northern territories, now the language, who will work for them later, the Kazakhs? I doubt it.
storage facilities were made from my Tselinogradselmash plant and so everywhere, there are no specialists or at least, all the hucksters have become or tire changers.

[Aposlya]

but in your opinion in the KZ except for Russian no one works or what?

[Sergey53]

You shouldn’t be so. And there are a lot of good, hardworking guys. It would be where to work.

[1974]

You tell my friends this live in Astana, Serega, Dima, Leh and Andrei!

[Babalaykin]

This situation with factories is widespread, and in Russia too.

[unignm]

I wonder if phonetics will change?

[grandfather Mih]

Voluntarist. Diphthongs get washed away and live. Come on, Nazarbayev.

[IL-18]

I will not comment. I can’t understand the main thing: in fig they need it

[IL-18]

Although, this may increase milk yields.

[Mig-31]

Yeah! Just pornography! Let's see, maybe after replacing the Cyrillic alphabet with the Latin alphabet, we will live in Switzerland and Norway.

[XXXIII]

Quote: Mig-31

Let's see, maybe after replacing the Cyrillic alphabet with the Latin alphabet, we will live in Switzerland and Norway.

Now, if Nazarbayev had said so right away, otherwise it’s muddy like that ...

[avt]

Quote: Mig-31

Let's see, maybe after replacing the Cyrillic alphabet with the Latin alphabet, we will live in Switzerland and Norway.

And enter the Roman numeral and you can say - have reached the last sea " Yes, and it will be possible to score on Genghis and rewrite the history of the Kazakhs from the Roman emperors! But here zrad may happen - clash with the great Ukrainians. We have to admit what happened, like the Rymlyans, from them Moreover, Bebik had already proved that Genghis was Genghis Khanenko .... or Genghis Chuk, well, shark is shorter.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Mig-31

Let's see, maybe after replacing the Cyrillic alphabet with the Latin alphabet, we will live in Switzerland and Norway.

Well, the part will definitely heal, the one that will cut money on this.

[Babalaykin]

What is not enough for you? we have already completed the 2030 program at a faster pace, now 2050, probably in the year 25 it will be fulfilled ... we live better faster than we planned, but you are all unhappy (sarcasm) you want Switzerland))

[Enoch]

Why do they need it?
“You have turned our big and good world into a JUNGLE. But what you have done sooner or later will turn against you and your children. ”
(From a speech by M. Gaddafi on June 22, 2011)

[Mig-31]

Quote: Coco

Well, at least kill, I don’t understand why the hell does he need it ???

why the hell does he need it ??? What the hell ?! As soon as we switch to the Latin alphabet, we will immediately be ahead of the rest in terms of economy and welfare of the people, and all sorts of the USA, China, Switzerland, Norway will turn out to be third world countries.

[Aposlya]

Quote: Mig-31

why the hell does he need it ??? What the hell ?!

What’s the difference to you? You still don’t know Kazakh, you don’t know how to write it, so calm down, for you, nothing in life will change ...

[Gardamir]

it's time. All Turkic peoples go to the Latin alphabet.

In-sha alla. Only I used to think that the Türks write in Arabic script.
Truly, if you want to punish anyone, you take away your mind!

[1974]

Reason left you soon, all Türks use the Latin alphabet! And the Arabic script was used until the beginning of the 20th century, only Uighurs and Kazakhs in the PRC use the Arabic script only because the Chinese imposed it on them. And the Soviet government imposed on us the Cyrillic alphabet. And before her, we already had the Latin alphabet!

[IL-18]

Well, at least someone is good

Quote: ISLAM and NATION

It is high time. All Turkic peoples go to the Latin alphabet. The line for Tatarstan and Bashkiria.

[Gardamir]

As always, Internet trolls rushed to blame others. But is it all the same to our leadership? But what about the BRICS? How is good neighborly cooperation? What about a shared story? You will involuntarily think that Lavrov can only swear, but as a diplomat, to put it mildly ...

[Gardamir]

How with this attitude to your neighbors

Who offended you? I always like it when a person thinks up himself, challenges himself and then offends himself. I've been thinking all my life that all people are brothers, all women are sisters. But he came to Moscow. Now I’m slowly learning Azerbaijani, and there I need Uzbek. For not understanding what others are saying is stupid.

[bratchanin3]

Something I do not understand, what is the point of these "great" transformations? Maybe this will become richer?

[Mig-31]

Quote: SOF

but - this is your money and you decide: where to get it and where to put it.

Unfortunately this is not our money, but the money for this project is shaking people, something like that.

[Mig-31]

Quote: 32363

the Kazakhs are turning away from Russia more and more, the first step was the transfer of the capital to Tselinograd, which led to the crowding out of the Russian-speaking population from the northern territories, now the language, who will work for them later, the Kazakhs? I doubt it.
storage facilities were made from my Tselinogradselmash plant and so everywhere, there are no specialists or at least, all the hucksters have become or tire changers.

Kazakhs turn away from Russia more and more I can confidently say that the people do not turn away, the authorities turn away.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Today, power is tomorrow, people, it’s obvious. see Ukraine.

[Humpty]

Quote: uscib

Everyone agrees that Nazarbayev falls into insanity ...

Have you noticed for a long time, or just now? "The best dzhigits among the Turks are Kazakhs." So NAS said.

Quote: Mig-31

It was then necessary to immediately switch to the Chinese character. No, but what! We are moving closer from Russia to China.

Have you ever thought about how generally Kazakhstan has a common border with China?
The life of a Kazakh is difficult and unpretentious under the oppression of the Cyrillic alphabet.

[Zalym]

Quote: Humpty

Have you ever thought about how generally Kazakhstan has a common border with China?
The life of a Kazakh is difficult and unpretentious under the oppression of the Cyrillic alphabet.

Well, somehow after these events, apparently. http://www.nutug.ru/histori/tragedia.htm

[Humpty]

Quote: Zalym

Well, somehow after these events, apparently

Thanks for the details. As a result of successful diplomacy, those lands passed to Russia from China.

[Romanenko]

Maybe of course it will be cooler in Latin letters in Kazakh, let them decide for themselves.
It’s good that they seem to have kept the direction of the letter, otherwise they could have been from right to left.
Probably there are no other problems in the country, I am glad for Kazakhstan.

[Mig-31]

Quote: Humpty

Hard and unpretentious life of a Kazakh under the oppression of the Cyrillic alphabet

So the Kyrgyz, in your garden keep order, and do not attribute the decision of the authorities to the desire of the people, this news itself spoiled the mood.

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Mig-31

So the Kyrgyz, in your garden keep order, and do not attribute the decision of the authorities to the desire of the people, this news itself spoiled the mood.

The Kyrgyz have other fun. They will now celebrate November 7 the Day of History and Remembrance of the Ancestors in honor of the 1916 uprising against the Russian Empire. And, there is not far to the Latin alphabet.

[Humpty]

Quote: There was a mammoth

And, there is not far to the Latin alphabet.

Long away . Hieroglyphs or closer.

Quote: There was a mammoth

They will now celebrate November 7 the Day of History and Remembrance of the Ancestors in honor of the 1916 uprising against the Russian Empire.

Someone got into a drunk date, I don’t presume to judge who.

[Aposlya]

Quote: There was a mammoth

The Kyrgyz have other fun. They will now celebrate November 7 the Day of History and Remembrance of the Ancestors in honor of the 1916 uprising against the Russian Empire. And, there is not far to the Latin alphabet.

Why not? The overthrow of the tsar and in the Russian Federation is still celebrated ...

[avt]

Quote: Aposlya

Why not? The overthrow of the tsar and in the Russian Federation is still celebrated ...

Avono how running that! In Russia and in the USSR, the FEBRUARY revolution was celebrated as a bourgeois revolution, but was not celebrated. Unlike the Great October Revolution. But the tsar was already on the throne for about 9 months.

[Aposlya]

Sharks, this is already known! But after all, it was always previously believed that it was the Bolsheviks who overthrew the tsar, at least they shot precisely. The overthrow of the king was the outcome of the 1917 revolution ...

[avt]

Quote: Aposlya

Sharks, this is already known! But it’s always been previously believed that it was the Bolsheviks who overthrew the tsar

By whom and when

Quote: Aposlya

it was always thought before that it was the Bolsheviks who overthrew the tsar,

well, and again where

Quote: Aposlya

overthrew

For students by standards after 1991, Zoros textbooks do not offer

Quote: Aposlya

The overthrow of the king was the outcome of the 1917 revolution ...

Like, he began to read old books with the new Kazakh alphabet !? Try the Cyrillic alphabet, then the understanding will come of the difference between the interpretation of the word revolution — a revolution in understanding of the liberals and what is called the Great October Socialist Revolution, which was put on a par with the French Revolution with a revolution in the whole way of life of the country and, in particular, the relationship of classes to ownership of the means of production .Then the understanding will come that in terms of the class struggle (well, for brevity, without retelling here and now, Capital from Marx) and the attitude to property, February was in fact a palace coup that took the Romanov dynasty from power.

[turcom]

Quote: uscib

Everyone agrees that Nazarbayev falls into insanity ...

That's for sure. Here he introduces the Latin alphabet; in the south, the border with Kyrgyzstan is blocked ...

[Elevator in the building]

“Oh (!) I understood” - this “lamp of democracy and the keeper of the people” sucks switching of the Cyrillic / Latin alphabet on the clave, so he undertook to “help” the citizens of Kazakhstan. What a nevertheless caring .. Only in vain is he so tuna immediately for hieroglyphs .. Although, what should he like once again to change the “primer”? We have LADIES, for example, the time as the gloves changed ..? Interestingly, IT is still listed in the column as “ally”, is al already a partner? Although I don’t have any doubts, what, and why, this former CPSU MEMBER does .. #######

[romb]

Reading comments on such articles is just a pleasure. It's nice to see how a frantic butchert begins for a separate category of comrades. Already smoke is coming

[Elevator in the building]

Yes, it doesn’t “burn”, it’s a shame that they tear the “former whole” into flaps, stupidly, for the sake of their own cheap “this minute” benefit. And the more power the "national elites" have, the less chance "Humanity" has ..
21st century - neo-feudalism & just some kind of surrealism ..

[romb]

Honestly, I would understand the outrage if it concerned the Russian language in Kazakhstan.
If we decided to translate it from Cyrillic to Latin, we would definitely be against it. However, like the vast majority of Kazakhs.
But, after all, what’s interesting, the translation concerns purely Kazakh language and its alphabet.
And the Russian language as we had, remains so. That is, in its unchanged form.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Quote: romb

. It's nice to see how a frantic butchert begins for a separate category of comrades.

Here the question is what is the purpose. is it really all about the "inadequacy of sounds"?

[romb]

I will not respond to various speculations and will only mention one extremely important moment for the Kazakhs. Today, a large part of the Kazakhs (several million) live outside of Kazakhstan. As a result of which, they were naturally forced to write and read in several types of writing for a long time. Arabic script - in China and the Middle East, the Latin alphabet - in Turkey, Uzbekistan and several other countries. In this case, the Cyrillic alphabet is used by Kazakhs living in Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Russia. In fact, one people wrote and read on several types of writing. Which in turn caused a lot of problems in communication between Kazakhs from different countries. In general, the question of unifying the written Kazakh language to a single (most convenient and common) for all Kazakh-speaking denominators did not arise today. We talked about this and wrote back in the nineties. For a very long time, the experience of introducing the Latin alphabet in a number of Turkic-speaking states was studied: Turkey, Azerbaijan and Uzbekistan.

[Was mammoth]

Quote: romb

I will not respond to various speculations and will only mention one extremely important moment for Kazakhs ....

Yes, it's hard, but being a competent Kazakh. You need to know the Arabic script, Cyrillic alphabet, Latin alphabet. Further it will be easier.

Quote: romb

Honestly, I would understand the outrage if it concerned the Russian language in Kazakhstan.

There is another song, new special textbooks of the Russian language and literature. According to Urgant

[romb]

There is another song, new special textbooks of the Russian language and literature. According to Urgant

If you didn’t notice, there was and is a bucha in Kazakhstan about this. The people were outraged en masse - the author tried through the media to explain his position.
And in general, this applies no less to Russia. You, too, are far from smooth with this.

[Zalym]

Quote: There was a mammoth

There is another song, new special textbooks of the Russian language and literature. According to Urgant

Yes norms tutorial. Only he is for teaching Russian as a foreign language.

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Zalym

Yes norms tutorial. Only he is for teaching Russian as a foreign language.

"Only he for teaching Russian as a foreign language" for Russians?
It turns out that your “language of interethnic communication” is foreign, it is understandably non-state.

[Zalym]

Well for us, yes, foreign. I mean that the structure of the textbook is similar to the textbooks that teach English i.e. foreign language.

[Elevator in the building]

"the trouble began", and after a while and - "claw got stuck - the abyss to the whole bird" ..

but in general: You have the right to do in your own country that your constitution and government allow? Well, we have the right, within the framework of the permitted resources, to express our opinion on the "voiced" topics. good

[The brightest]

Quote: romb

Honestly, I would understand the outrage if it concerned the Russian language in Kazakhstan.

Ponimalka has not yet grown, you will grow already living in a country that had a normal alphabet, and now porn with commas.

[romb]

Understanding specialist?
It can be seen.

[Semurg]

Quote: romb

Understanding specialist?
It can be seen.

Rhombus. Do not get involved in the discussion on this topic with Russian "well-wishers", the law is signed by the NAS. The implementation is phased and I think it will be completed within 10-15 years. As with the transfer of our capital, there was a lot of “barking”, and the caravan was on. Now we have the beautiful Astana, which has solved a number of our problems. The transition to the Latin alphabet will also provide a solution to many parallel problems.

[1974]

You yourself tore it up in 1991 !!!! and they kicked us out! from the Union! and you’re losing with moralizing, what do you care about us!

[Ivan Ivanov]

Another fraternal weather vane spun

[genpolitproject]

Sultanate, they want it and do it, but citizens will oppose it. But why is this? Yes, away from the Russian spirit, but closer to the lamb ...

[1974]

what a meanness .... to the mutton !!! You are stuck there, and we are in a brighter future !!!!

[genpolitproject]

The lamb smelled ...

[a housewife]

This Russian alphabet does not suit them, in which 33 letters? And in Latin how much? 23? Is it better for them? Oh well! If better, why leave the Cyrillic alphabet? It is strange when one language uses two alphabets at once. One will have to stay. Or one that is more convenient, or one that is forcibly abandoned. The Adyghe people have 66 letters, I can imagine how it would look in the Latin alphabet, because there were such attempts. Cyrillic remained.

[1974]

Kazakh in Cyrillic 42 letters, Madame !!

[a housewife]

In Cyrillic you need to "add" 9 characters? And in Latin - 19 !!!

[Aposlya]

in Latin - not a single one is added! Do you even read the article first, before you climb into the discussion board!

[a housewife]

I read the article. And you, sir, did not understand anything in what I wrote. Besides, sir, you are ignorant.

[Aposlya]

Read, read, but didn’t understand anything!

[a housewife]

What are you speaking about? Are you a philologist? Connoisseur! Well, yes, that’s on purpose. Once again, for philologists. There are 33 letters in the Russian alphabet. In Latin - 23. Is that clear? Farther. If a language requires 42 letters, because they need to express 42 sounds, and there is no alphabet, because it never existed, then it is easier to take a ready-made alphabet with a large number of letters. This is clear?

[Mig-31]

There are no more problems in Kazakhstan! The people live richly. Social? On the highest level. Income? So, the minimum sn a few thousand dollars. Education? So still mathematicians, physicists and chemists. Fuels and lubricants?
So water costs cheaper. Medicine? For a long time already the level of our medicine has reached the point that he is engaged in head transplantation. Job? So dofig factories and factories, like dogs not cut, I do not want to work. Defense industry? It’s easy to pile on the United States and China instead of those taken, and Russia, so, for the teeth. So what to do? Boring something, in Kazakhstan everything is decorous and noble, so come on I’ll send the Cyrillic alphabet to the forest and invite the Latin alphabet to lick it. This is how our government lives in its parallel world, but in reality, read the opposite.

[1974]

Let's wait another 25 years ?! Bored with you all-crawler !!!

[gloomy fox]

the cat has nothing to do ..... he doesn’t understand that we have no other problems? Or was it done specifically to distract people from the questions why everything is so expensive, and how to live on ???? !!!! if they ask why gasoline is expensive, they will answer the money you need for the new Alphabet.

[pasechnik]

Nazarbayev’s senility has begun!

[pasechnik]

I myself come from western Kazakhstan, from Art. Ganyushkino was there for the last time in 2013, complete devastation, there are no roads at all
It would be better if they helped the people!

[Aposlya]

compared to the villages of the Russian Federation you have paradise there!

[1974]

And I come from the Dombarovsky district of the Orenburg region! The picture is the same !!!

[Stoler]

Compared to “this,” Ukraine is fully adequate

[marshes]

Everything will be CARROT! (Original Latin version).
And the trend has gone, T-shirts, sweatshirts, the Chinese have already poured in on the covers for smartphones they offer.
Now, emergency nicknames in SMS alerts will be correctly written in Kazakh.

[Zalym]

I liked this version of the alphabet more https://the-steppe.com/news/a/a/qazaqsa-alma-bizn
it i

[marshes]

Quote: Zalym

I liked this version of the alphabet more https://the-steppe.com/news/a/a/qazaqsa-alma-bizn
it i

Something the line doesn’t work 404 writes, and so the online publications went to the page, it loads heavily in the last week.

[Zalym]

The site often spoils links, not to mention the fact that it is impossible to fit an address without a break in one line. You must first copy, and then paste it into the address bar, if you select and click "go to address" - it will not open.
https://the-steppe.com/news/a/a/qazaqsa-alma-bizn
it i

[marshes]

Quote: Zalym

The site often spoils links, not to mention the fact that it is impossible to fit an address without a break in one line.

It is very Turkish, with these dots in letters. Here they are trying to move away from them, again an extra layout on the keyboard. So the accepted version is at least somehow acceptable.

[Zalym]

For me it’s quite normal. The dots above the letters may be an extra layout, but it looks better than these apostrophes.

[marshes]

Quote: Zalym

For me it’s quite normal. The dots above the letters may be an extra layout, but it looks better than these apostrophes.

And you imagine how much it would cost to introduce at least an additional layout in state structures and to private traders, because office work in the state language will increase. For some, I will explain right away that the connection is growing in the population who speak the state language as their native language.

[1974]

I agree!!! A good option and easy to read!

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: marshes

Now, emergency nicknames in SMS alerts will be correctly written in Kazakh.

Pozdravlau. Now Kazakhstan will heal, panan. And that heavy Soviet legacy prevented take off. And these evil northern ugrofin will look with envy from their snowy gloomy forests at the shining, flourishing Kazakhstan.

[Aposlya]

Why is there such malice in you? Are you living in Switzerland yourself? No? Well then, what?

[Ugolek]

You need to keep up, go back to the glagolitas !!

The main thing is a herd of buffalo back and forth. QazaQ sounds proudly, not like Kazakh !!!))))

[Ugolek]

Aposlya, there is no malice, - the Kazakhs need to decide whether or not, if you think what is needed, - realize ahead. But believe me, this will create huge problems.

[Aposlya]

Quote: Ugolek

QazaQ sounds proud, not like Kazakh

QazaQ - sounds right, but kazakh - this is already a newspeak, introduced by the decision of the Council of People's Commissars.

[1974]

Thank you for your congratulations!

[Antokha]

Well, what, any spit in the direction of Russia is paid. And it's like pumping up on the carpet in front of the door. God be their judge.

[Ugolek]

Antokha, you obviously went too far, this is the internal affair of the Kazakhs in your country ..

It’s another matter that there is no clear explanation of why this is done, I haven’t heard from the authorities, everyone adds on his own and there is no clarity.

[Slam]

Quote: Antianglosaks

Quote: cniza

Nazarbayev wants to leave a deeper trace in history, but he does not care about people's problems.

Well, DB, there is nothing more to say! What for him Latin? The West is already rolling into the hole of history and focusing on the Latin alphabet - the top of madness! The West has no clear future, most likely there will be a bloody mess in its territories, then a caliphate. God forbid us to help the geyropets when they will be cut out without exception by the Arab-African passionaries!

West was bent yesterday, and last Tuesday, and in the 2000m, and in the 80m, and in the 70th he did not get used to.

[Ugolek]

No, the processes that are going on in the West are far from harmless, the fruits will be tasted after some time, the bitter fruits will be.

[Semurg]

Quote: Ugolek

No, the processes that are going on in the West are far from harmless, the fruits will be tasted after some time, the bitter fruits will be.

For the most part, on the shit on the processes going on in the west that supposedly ditch this west. The main thing is they live better, they live better both in the Republic of Ingushetia and in the USSR and in the Russian Federation. And this West is buried and buried by representatives of either the people of the God-bearer, the people of the builder of communism, or the people of a great energy power. It may be enough to envy the neighbor and wish that the cow is dead, And it seems that the earth is rich and wealthy and competent and hard-working people, and it’s impossible to achieve a standard of living in the West, all the horror people don’t let the Saxons hold hands and feet, then Americans, then Freemasons, then Jews, then aliens from Nubiru.

[Anchonsha]

All the conversations and promises of the Kazakhs and Nazarbayev that the Russian language will remain only promises. It is just necessary to send Russian-speakers to Russia, there they will no longer be allowed to enter the civil service, to all other significant posts.

[Aposlya]

Well, if you haven’t served in the army, you won’t be accepted to the civil service, but Russians here prefer to quit! And if so, then why whine?

[lopvlad]

approve the enclosed Kazakh language alphabet based on the Latin script

how many Russia the Kazakhs did not give land to and the state did not create everything to them in vain. Great lessons have been given to us by the "fraternal" peoples from the first day when our ancestors plundered the land we had won in their national pockets.

[1974]

Russia only conquered new colonies! But the Bolsheviks awarded us with land, they did not think that it would be so! ))) Moreover, as they wanted, they called us that!
And they plundered everything in their pockets: Russia was the first to leave the USSR, together with Belarus and Ukraine, even earlier the Baltic states, for everything! And we, Kazakhstan, last declared independence - already from nobody .... The USSR was gone!
So what claims to us ???

[alexmach]

Russia only conquered new colonies! But the Bolsheviks awarded us with land, they did not think that it would be so! ))) Moreover, as they wanted, they called us that!

Yeah, well, yes, but you yourself probably learned to write and read :)
Education and health care probably you did not have from soviet times.
Your cities probably also remained from Genghis Khan :)

[Aposlya]

Quote: alexmach

Your cities probably also remained from Genghis Khan :)

In fact, they still stood before Genghis Khan ...

[alexmach]

Because prefabricated houses and built up?

[vnord]

The Russian Empire taught the Kazakhs to read and write, and now ..................

[haenx]

distract from: rising fuel prices, inflation, pension reform; Operation successor "come and help." has begun.
So the successor will be with the pro-Russian program, i.e. in its presidential program, it will indicate a reduction in fuel prices, strengthen tenge against the dollar, and it is natural to freeze the transition to the Latin alphabet. In this case, the electorate of the northeastern regions comprising 70% of the population will vote for the pro-Russian successor.

[Zalym]

Quote: haenx

distract from: rising fuel prices, inflation, pension reform; Operation successor "come and help." has begun.

Haha, and if you are not distracted, are you able to do something? And oppose the government? Yes, hell there.

Quote: haenx

In this case, the electorate of the northeastern regions comprising 70% of the population will vote for the pro-Russian successor.

The northeast electorate is actually the smallest.

[haenx]

The second person in Kazakhstan, Marat Tazhin, is a PR technologist and propagandist, well aware of the historical continuity of the alliance with Russia. But the southern and western regions represented by the Kalmyrzaev, Musin, Ryskeldinov, Olzhaev, Ablyazov clans play the national patriotic, religious, pseudo-anti-corruption card of the “color revolution”. The pro-government elite represented by the Masimovs Kulebaevs, Mashkevichs, Patokh, Utemuratovs, etc., isolates the financial support of the western southerners (the arrests of the Tuleshov, Tokmadi, Ryskeldinovs, the redemption of assets for nothing and the emigration of Smagulovs, etc.) weaken the possibilities of pro-Western and pro-Turkish and Arab-minded western-southerners. In the west and south, controlled Maidans may flare up, which can displace the Nazarbayev family. In order to enlist the support of the North-Eastern, central regions (Karaganda region Pavlodar Ust-Kamenogorsk, Kustanai, Semipalatinsk, Tselinograd, Kokshetai, Dzhezkazgan), a HYIP decree is being introduced on the introduction of the Latin alphabet, more than 10 million people live in the above-mentioned regions, most of which are pro-Russian-minded The electorate, in terms of the number of voters superior to the southern and western regions, can vote in a referendum for the successor of Nazarbayev with a pro-Russian program. With this story, the southern and western clans will have nothing to oppose.

[Zalym]

Do you even know that Nazarbayev is a southerner? And the whole government is made up of southerners.

[haenx]

read wikipedia. Judging by how he dealt with Kalmyrzaev and Musin, and holds Ablyazov’s wife and daughter hostage and built the capital of Astana, closer to Russia, with a gold depository, I think Nazarbayev will not allow the clan of southerners and Westerners to control the country. And at the expense of the southerners' government, I can say it is cardboard and nominal posts. The government is controlled by security forces whose key posts are given to Karaganda residents. In addition, core assets to keep clans in central areas. If the capital were in Almaty, then the Nazarbayev family would have long been ousted in retaliation by Nurkadilov and Altynbek Sarsembaev. Also, I am confused by the location of the Soros headquarters in the south, more precisely in Almaty, where the Pentagon virological laboratory is located.

[Zalym]

But nothing that the security forces are also southerners. Uncle Kolya for example. I repeat, almost the entire government consists of southerners and Nazarbayev himself is also a southerner. State Security - Masimov Uyghur, and all his deputies and other leaders of the KNB are also southerners.
Who are the Karaganda residents in power? Nigmatullins, yes. Only they are generally Hoji, i.e. neutral aristocratic clan.
As for Astana, he transferred the capital there so that the North of the country would not fall off to Russia and transported all of its southerners to Astana. And actively populates the southerners north.
You seem to live in some other country.

[haenx]

Southerners have already weakened, there was only Shukeyev. And in Zhanaozen commanders of explosives from the east and Karaganda, if Uncle Kolya was a southerner, he would send a southern military district to Zhanaozen. The north of Kazakhstan could not have split off, to delimit the territory, Nazarbav signed a memorandum at the UN on the non-freezing of the territory, on the contrary, due to historical circumstances, the East can break away from which the capital has moved away.

[Zalym]

Southerners have already weakened, only Shukeyev is left

Yeah, and Prime Minister Sagintayev. And almost all the other ministers. And the top leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the National Security Committee. And the Minister of Defense Zhasuzakov.

Quote: haenx

would Uncle Kolya be a southerner

Born in 1957 in the village of Dmitriyevka, Ili district, Almaty region.

Quote: haenx

And in Zhanaozen commanders of explosives from the east and Karaganda

That's right, as a more Russified part of the Kazakhs.

Quote: haenx

The north of Kazakhstan could not have split off, to delimit the territory, Nazarbav signed a memorandum at the UN on the non-freezing of the territory, on the contrary, due to historical circumstances, the East can break away from which the capital has moved away.

Just as I could. An example of Ukraine is hinting.

[haenx]

Are Almaty people related to the southern clans - are they Shaprashtins? The southern clans include konyrats and dulats, Albans ....
East is Russified - in the east live Naiman who send their children to study in Barnaul and Novosibirsk, Tomsk; in the east, the Navalnovsky meme "Ocupei Abai" was born, and in Karaganda Golovkin was born, he is, to the bone, a Kazakh patriot

[Zalym]

Quote: haenx

Are Almaty people related to the southern clans - are they Shaprashtins? The southern clans include konyrats and dulats, Albans ....

Shaprashty are the same southerners as the rest.

Quote: haenx

East is Russified - in the east live Naiman who send their children to study in Barnaul and Novosibirsk, Tomsk; in the east, the Navalnovsky meme "Ocupei Abai" was born, and in Karaganda Golovkin was born, he is, to the bone, a Kazakh patriot

Compared to the southerners, some more Russified. I know Karaganda very well.

[haenx]

vice versa compared to the southeast speak right? let's say the word “there” or “here” is pronounced linguistic incorrectly in the south, but Iқ and bu Iқ, and in the east and Karaganda, the linguistic ones are pronounced correctly according to the rules: ana jac and bull jac. Therefore, these southerners departed from the Kazakh language.
And the Shaprashtins were sent to Almaty from the north, their skin and konyrats do not slaughter because they are descendants of Timur, and lame Timur was not Genghiside.

[alexmach]

Zalym,
isn’t it from the time of Mamaia and Tamerlane?

[Zalym]

What since the time of Mamai?

[serega61]

Nazarbayev is not eternal, another will come, take everything and cancel it.

[Mentat]

Of course, the transcription in Cyrillic looks especially interesting: D Why then switch to a different spelling if it is easier to express the sound through the Cyrillic alphabet? Without any complaints, of course, I hope this decision has some kind of balanced, scientific linguistic justification, but it looks a little strange.

[Mig-31]

Quote: Qazaq 1974

Let's wait another 25 years ?! Bored with you all-crawler !!!

Please answer me, in 25 years there has been at least one good news in terms of needs? I have never heard that this or that product has become cheaper, over 25 years everything has become more and more expensive. Instead of building Astana, it was necessary to build plants and factories; we cannot even sew poor consumer goods at home, but we buy everything from the Turks and Kyrgyz. And now, Dear, list me the plants and factories and what benefits they bring to the people.