A titanium blow to America: measured seven times, not cut once?

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In the Council of the Federation, “as a whole”, they support the draft law, which sets a limit on the cooperation between Russia and the United States in the export of titanium. According to some estimates, the US aircraft industry depends at least forty percent on Russian titanium. However, restrictions in the supply of titanium abroad would have a negative impact on the development of the state decoration of VSMPO-AVISMA, which employs more than 20 thousand people and whose products are widely represented on the world market.





The draft law on new sanctions against the United States, which is being prepared in the State Duma, provides for the restriction of exports from Russia of titanium, as well as a “possible” restriction of cooperation between Russia and the United States in space. According to various estimates, which leads the newspaper "News", Russia supplies Boeing and Airbus from 40 to 60% titanium.

Andrei Klimov, deputy chairman of the committee of the Federation Council on foreign affairs, confirmed to the publication: yes, such a document is being prepared, but it is important not to forget - measure it seven times, cut it once!

“On the whole, we, of course, support the State Duma’s bill, but we believe that everything must be very seriously calculated,” he said. "Izvestia". - Our responses to unfriendly actions of the United States should be systemic. The draft law, which is being prepared in the lower house of the Russian parliament, is precisely this system. It has a strict address binding, is mirrored and as concrete as possible. "

At the same time, Klimov seems to consider it necessary to err. In his opinion, “it’s completely understandable why this law is being prepared and what measures it will take,” the toolkit of Russian responses to US actions is “very rich.” And yet "you need to carefully weigh and analyze everything so that, God forbid, do not hit us, too." The question is that “our fellow citizens” work in the sphere of trade in titanium, which is bought from the Russian Federation by the Russian Federation, said Klimov, and therefore “we cannot break off the necessary contacts”.

“There are many areas where contacts with the United States are mutually beneficial, and there are also those where Russian retaliation can be implemented,” the senator concluded.

The publication also cites information from a certain "high-ranking source" in the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation. According to him, the bill does not yet fully take into account the interests of Russian companies, and they would not want to lose contracts with partners. “Russian factories today are aimed at creating partnerships with world leaders. This is a question not only of the economy, but also of the image of the country, of our industry as a whole, which, despite the sanctions, proves to the world its viability in high-tech markets, the source said. - For example, VSMPO-AVISMA today exports titanium products to 48 countries, has 350 customers around the world. Its clients include the world's largest engine and aircraft manufacturing companies, not only American ones. Including Boeing, EADS, Embraer, UTAS, Messier-Bugatti-Dowty, Rolls-Royce, Safran, Airbus, Pratt & Whitney. " Speaking about specific facts, the interlocutor of the newspaper pointed out that most of the titanium products for the newest Boeing 787 Dreamliner are "designed and manufactured in Russia."

Measure seven times, we note, it was said not in vain. You can talk about counter-sanctions for a long time, but you can leave a business without a job and without clients with one stroke of a pen.

The said VSMPO-AVISMA state corporation operating in the field of non-ferrous metallurgy is the world's largest (!) Manufacturer of titanium and all types of semi-finished products made of titanium alloys. The state corporation staff today has over 20.000 employees. The controlling stake in AVISMA is owned by the management of this largest titanium producer, and the blocking stake (25% plus one share) is owned by Rostec. It is thanks to "Rostec", as reported on his website“VSMPO-AVISMA” “has deeply integrated into the global aerospace industry and has become for many companies the main supplier of titanium products”. The corporation is internationally accredited by Nadcap for manufacturers in the aerospace and military industries.

Some open numbers.

The volume of investment in the production of the above titanium "VSMPO-AVISMA" is planned at the level of 55 billion rubles (2017 year). Such impressive amounts are going to increase production volumes: demand for the company's products, including from large foreign aircraft manufacturers, is growing.

Two years ago, in 2015, an ultramodern smelting shop was commissioned, which allows you to double (!) The power of smelting superpure titanium.

The company produces annually about 30 thousand tons of titanium products, and most of it is exported.

The developments of VSMPO-AVISMA allow the company to be a supplier for three hundred (!) Companies covering fifty countries. The number of buyers includes the world aviation leaders named above: Boeing, Airbus, etc.

Today VSMPO-AVISMA provides up to 40% of the needs for aviation titan Boeing, 60% of the needs of EADS (Airbus) and 100% - Embraer. Forty to one hundred percent! In addition, every year (!) There is an increase in the volume of deliveries and a nomenclature of blanks for Russian and international enterprises.

VSMPO-AVISMA is a key partner and supplier of titanium for the Boeing - Civil Aircraft division. The first agreement was signed in 1997; The development of cooperation led to the opening of the Ural Boeing Manufacturing joint venture in Verkhnaya Salda in 2009. In July 2014, the parties extended the contract for the supply of titanium rolled products to 2022. VSMPO-AVISMA pledged to support the contract: support includes logistics, cutting and delivery of products through a network of distribution centers in the United States, the United Kingdom and other countries.

And these are examples of Boeing alone.

On the site "VSMPO-AVISMA" published the mission of the company. And for good reason, integration into the world economy is derived there in several keywords:

"Ensuring the life of the association, the preservation and development of the titanium industry in Russia, integration into the world economy."


Hence the main objectives of the enterprise:

- production of products that meet the requirements and expectations of consumers in accordance with international and national standards, legislative and mandatory requirements;

- improving the competitiveness of products in domestic and foreign markets.

The objectives of the corporation are to provide basic sectors of the economy and access to prestigious sectors of world markets: Aviation, space, chemistry, energy, etc.

"VSMPO-AVISMA", according to open data, produces more than 90% of Russian titanium! The financial results of the corporation are growing steadily, including during the years of sanctions: revenues in 2009 amounted to 26 billion rubles, and in 2015 - almost 79 billion rubles. Over 2015, compared to 2014, exports grew by 5,9%. But both 2014 and 2015 are years of sanctions!

The theme of "titanium revenge" is almost a dead end. You can ruin your own corporation, put an end to its development and its presence in the global economy. If Russia has something to go to open world markets with, then you have to go out! Deputies and senators can make a lot of noise about the titanium revenge on the West, however, going with the bill to the final, the Duma is better to think about.

By the way, they talked about the titan revenge back in the summer of 2017. And the experts considered this a shot of Russia in their own foot.

In August, 2017, director of the Center for Political Science at the Financial University under the Government of the Russian Federation, Pavel Salin, suggested that the response measures would rather be verbal. And this is despite the fact that Moscow "has the opportunity to respond in such a way that the American side will suffer serious damage, which will far exceed the damage to Russia from the recent personal sanctions." Expert said "Free Press":

“We are talking about limiting the supply of enriched uranium and titanium in the United States. American industry and nuclear power are quite dependent on these supplies. But the problem is that this is a real self-shot. "


According to the expert, the damage to the Russian side will be much greater than the losses of the American side. In addition, when “serious lobbyists can suffer damage, for example, those engaged in the nuclear industry or trade in non-ferrous metals, the government is reluctant to take such measures.”

That is why P. Salin believed that the reaction to Washington’s sanction actions in Russia would remain only “at the verbal level”.

So, restrictions in the supply of titanium abroad may adversely affect the development of the state decoration of VSMPO-AVISMA, whose products are widely represented in the world market, especially in the United States market.

Apparently, the State Duma puts the policy cart before the horse of the economy. However, the bill still remains a bill, also unfinished. All his “hardness”, presumably, will remain a verbal husk intended for the media, adoring loud headlines. In the Federation Council, the lack of simplicity was delicately made it clear to the deputies that “everything must be carefully weighed and analyzed so that, God forbid, it doesn’t hit us either.”

Measure seven times - never cut!

Or are there so many industries in Russia that keep up with the times and supply more and more products to the world market?

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    1. +17
      30 October 2017 07: 23
      The bill, which is being prepared in the lower house of the Russian parliament, just implies this consistency. It has a strict address binding, is mirrored and as specific as possible. ”

      ... let’s look at the exit, what is the “mirroring” and what is the reality ... request
      1. +9
        30 October 2017 17: 04
        The main thing is not to step on the throat of your economy .. How did the kakals ..
        Quote: aszzz888
        The bill, which is being prepared in the lower house of the Russian parliament, just implies this consistency. It has a strict address binding, is mirrored and as specific as possible. ”

        ... let’s look at the exit, what is the “mirroring” and what is the reality ... request
        1. +4
          30 October 2017 17: 48
          Quote: 210ox
          . look at the output, what is the "mirroring" and what is the reality ..

          Why should they be compared to these idiots from Congress, they are just waiting for retaliatory sanctions in order to squeal to the whole world. And they will declare us as Ukrainians as achressors and so on, we will untie their hands, just the Sabbath will begin at the Capitol. "Gift"all sorts of McCain. hi
          1. +7
            30 October 2017 20: 21
            Plus set you.
            But the question has ripened.
            But how do you see the answer to the arbitrariness of the Americans?
            1. +28
              30 October 2017 23: 01
              Quote: demo
              But how do you see the answer to the arbitrariness of the Americans?

              Sale prices increase ..... they say, nothing personal, sanctions! bully
              1. +3
                31 October 2017 03: 37
                I agree, and more specifically.
                1. +8
                  2 November 2017 03: 11
                  This topic has long been voiced, but for some reason the "popular masses" do not want to remember it.
                  Titanium and RD-180 are bought from us not because they cannot produce it themselves, but because it is more profitable with us.
                  We solder the embargo on titanium - in a year we will build our plants (and China - in six months). We solder the embargo on rocket engines - after six months we will increase the production of our own (they are worse and more expensive, but they are) engines.
                  But Russia will not be able to return to the market before American and European plants are bombed.
                  The embargo on titanium and RD-180 is not fatal, but only a painful, temporary measure, and completely disposable, applicable only when the first guns have already fired, and the first missiles have already taken off.
                  1. +6
                    4 November 2017 13: 30
                    Dear, it is precisely Russia that has serious reserves of titanium in China, but China barely has enough for its own needs, no one has more substantial reserves, as far as I know, moreover, the world is buying not just titanium hire, as in the beginning, but it is precisely the products made of it, and the rd-180 rocket engines that’s why they buy from us, because they themselves can’t produce it, read on this topic in the internet and understand that to create, test and put into production such an engine will take at least 10 years and a few 10 - billion billion bucks, if not hundreds, but you have to fly now. McCain had probably torn out all the hair on his ass in order to refuse the rd-180, but even managed to explain this to the senile that without him, and even about titanium, the article clearly says that almost the whole world buys titanium from Russia, and the refusal to sell the United States should not cause a completely destructive effect. And in general, no war is without loss, including the sanction. Well, let's now tighten the tail and continue to swallow all insults to this "government" of our "partner", aren't you tired ????? I’ve already fed up, and I think that this congress is doing everything to really start a war with us, they are stupidly looking for an excuse, moreover, I’m just sure at 1000% that this war will somehow be pulled together under various far-fetched prepositions of troops to our borders, does this not remind anything ?, for example 1941
                    1. +2
                      6 November 2017 10: 29
                      It seems to me that we just need to build the planes ourselves, in short, the whole amount of titanium that goes to the USA must be mastered by ourselves and let our planes buy or fly whatever they want, and this will be done without a return, we will help our factories at the same time. similarly for rocket engines, I'm sure the country will benefit from this
                    2. +2
                      6 November 2017 11: 45
                      Quote: anhydride
                      Dear, it is precisely Russia that has serious reserves of titanium in China, but China barely has enough for its own needs, no one has more substantial reserves, as far as I know,

                      Russia has second reserves after China, but there is no sense in this, because our production uses raw materials from Ukraine, Australia, etc. Our plus is in the production. But it’s a minus, because the main consumers - Boeing and Airbus, impose sanctions and production will rise. And in the US there are 2 sponge manufacturers and with dozens or more titanium ingots. A holiday will come for them. As for China.
                    3. 0
                      19 November 2017 01: 42
                      you know, unfortunately, the Americans flew into space before rd-180 and will fly after. about any breaks for "10 years without space" can not even be discussed. and what decades and “they can’t” constantly repeat some of the marginals in “these Internet”, when now at least two large companies are developing analogues of the rd-180 and one of them is already testing ready-made prototypes. In addition, the United States has a license to manufacture the rd-180 itself. and, of course, "tens of billions" to develop new engines for the United States is not a problem with a budget of 3,5 trillion, not to mention "not enough - we'll print it."

                      and about the war it’s you in vain. will not, cannot be, will not take place. the fact that "pulls toward the borders" does not pull in the breakthrough group in any way, and the Americans themselves do not want to turn their country into a desert. so since the time of Kennedy, a direct war between the United States and Russia (USSR) was no longer possible. and indirectly, it is already going on - economic, political. but there’s nothing new. if you are "tired of it," this is no reason to start a war. because as a result, you, too, are guaranteed to perish, like me, like everyone who is dear to us. a better bad world than "guaranteed mutual annihilation." It is believed that there will be no nuclear winter and all living things will not perish. part of Europe, Africa, Australia, Asia, all of South America will remain. Can you imagine how dreary it will be for us to observe from above, if the afterlife exists, how the planet lives on without the USA and Russia? bad, but lives. China will occupy a leading position in the world, they will decide there, do something, live. but neither we nor the Americans will see it. and a small number of Russians and Americans will remain - several millions scattered around the world. Can you imagine how the survivors will look at them? self-cutting is not an option if you are tired of reading news about arrogant Americans. my wife has poor eyesight, she wears American contact lenses. not because he loves America, but because they are not produced in Russia. so, for example, I know for sure that in addition to the moron-mccain in the usa, there are plenty of worthy and useful people who make excellent contact lenses. there are people who have created for you a computer on which you read the news, its operating system. not all Americans. I'm not saying that the simultaneous death of half a billion people on both sides is a grief of scale, in comparison with which your “experiences” are not worth nothing, you simply have to split into atoms for one thought about it. Or are you clinical and think that Russia will fight with the US tanks and infantry?
              2. 0
                31 October 2017 18: 14
                Similar offer.
                And prat and whitney also take revenge. Or let them buy through third countries, for example, Belarus. Old Man will be glad immensely ...
            2. +5
              31 October 2017 08: 43
              It is unclear to our appointees from whom (convenient, nomenclature, obedient, former athletes, etc.) in the Duma and the elderly provincial nomenclature in the Federation Council there seems to be nothing to do. What they really need to do, they don’t understand and don’t know how. remnants of the mind in front of any bossy sneeze from the Presidential Administration and the Council of Ministers. And the flared up titanium cheese-boron, therefore, also does not carry any meaning. Air shock and not more. that in relation to the states and the so-called “west”, and maybe the “east”, we need to relate the same way the buyer does in the supermarket. That is, take from them only what we need (mainly technologists, the latest equipment for production and money) and go past what we don’t need (their ideology, weapons, food, orientation to gays, etc.)
              1. +1
                31 October 2017 14: 22
                That is, to take from them only what we need (mainly technologists, the latest production equipment and money)


                is this a post-dream
          2. +17
            30 October 2017 20: 32
            If the Duma members adopt this law (God forbid, of course), then it seems that the times when VSMPO AVISMA made, as they said in the times of the Union, consumer goods would not return. By the way, some samples of the products regularly serve my family until now. These are wonderful pots and pans of real food stainless steel (which, unlike the Chinese one, does not magnetize), besides all the dishes with a thick double bottom. There is even a titanium garden spade in my collection (!!!). Things are certainly good, but it is better to let them produce unique blades for turbines, which very few people in the world can do!
            1. +5
              30 October 2017 22: 59
              Quote: Dembel 77
              There is even a garden bayonet shovel in titanium (!!!) in my collection.

              Yes! There was such a "moment" in the "economy" of the country ... even titanium barrels (!!!) were reported ... belay
            2. +3
              31 October 2017 04: 46
              But how do you like the flask for alcohol from Severodvinsk, from a titanium-submarine nuclear submarine? ...))
              1. +6
                31 October 2017 07: 16
                A flask of alcohol is better (!) A flask of alcohol! (Aphorisms of an experienced alcohol taster)
            3. 0
              31 October 2017 16: 06
              Titanium shovels were painted under ordinary and cordon.
            4. 0
              6 November 2017 10: 35
              in theory, the whole point is to develop your economy and technology, it is much more productive. you just need to stop being a commodity sponsor. Russia may well be self-sufficient at the expense of domestic resources, it is only necessary to approach this sensibly.
          3. +8
            30 October 2017 21: 27
            Quote: Evdokim
            Quote: 210ox
            . look at the output, what is the "mirroring" and what is the reality ..

            Why should they be compared to these idiots from Congress, they are just waiting for retaliatory sanctions in order to squeal to the whole world. And they will declare us as Ukrainians as achressors and so on, we will untie their hands, just the Sabbath will begin at the Capitol. "Gift"all sorts of McCain. hi

            what what what a strange approach ... in this way they can drive us at random and shout in a variety of ways, but according to your method - do not answer !!! wassat wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
            1. 0
              19 November 2017 01: 48
              You need to answer, but not to your own detriment.
          4. +16
            30 October 2017 22: 11
            1.When affected by the HONOR of the country, talking about money is UNSPECIFIED! 2. If we are so prudent, there’s nothing to chatter and threaten, we will be considered vacant. 3To start let our rulers respond at least with mirror measures. Or again, "what will Princess Marya Aleksevna say?" then let them be silent in a rag and whine like beaten dogs
            1. +3
              31 October 2017 09: 40
              It’s inappropriate to wear a pan on your head ... The Yankees have a simple principle - sanctions, not to the detriment of oneself, beloved ones, i.e. their actions are logical in contrast to your understanding of the sanctions policy ... It’s not necessary to become like Khokhlov, where the ears of a grandmother are frozen ... Evil is not so rich as to lose such an income to the budget.
              1. 0
                4 November 2017 18: 02
                If so, then we generally have nothing to answer to the amers without harming ourselves. Well then, what’s to cheat your cheeks, and think of yourself as a Super Power, reconcile yourself and keep quiet
                1. +1
                  17 November 2017 20: 28
                  The only Gas Station in the world capable of destroying Hegemon in 45 minutes - unreasonably considers itself a "Superpower"?
                  PS That's just the argument again - one-time ...
            2. 0
              4 November 2017 13: 36
              I’d better not say, I completely agree with you hi good
              1. 0
                4 November 2017 13: 37
                this is for woland
      2. +4
        31 October 2017 04: 59
        the stupidity of our deputies will be worse than the mattress sanctions, of which the fighter is only our holders of offshore capital, whose names we will find out in February-March from the Congress report, and the meriak pisyuky in economic terms with a trading partner in the amount of 20 billion dollars / year, only "beat their own, strangers were afraid "... so, we are waiting for" our answer to Chamberlain "...))
      3. +10
        31 October 2017 11: 09
        Why TITAN? When there is a makchiken, a hamburger and Ford .... THIS IS THE NEXT DAY THE COMPETITORS WILL REPLACE! So authorize!
        1. +3
          2 November 2017 03: 19
          But with you - I completely agree.
          We live in a world in which to produce is much easier than to sell. And sanctions should not be on exports, but on imports. I recall the screech of Poland and Turkey (and riots in France) just because of apples and tomatoes.
          1. 0
            4 November 2017 18: 11
            And what do we import from amers, except for iPhones and Windows?
    2. +32
      30 October 2017 07: 26
      The Federation Council “as a whole” supports the bill, which sets a limit on cooperation between Russia and the United States in the export of titanium.

      Oh, America shuddered .... Do not flatter yourself, our titanium will be quickly replaced by others, the same China. Yes, it will cost more for the USA, but they will have it
      However, restrictions on the supply of titanium abroad would adversely affect the development of the VSMPO-AVISMA goscorporation, which employs more than 20 thousand people and whose products are widely represented on the world market.
      But didn’t VSMPO-AVISMA be included in the latest sanction lists? So for this corporation on the world stage, the times are not very sweet. Personally, I see one way - to develop our own aircraft production, using our own titan and down with the Russian sky Boeing, while it is possible to get along with Airbus, especially since this European company has BIG problems in the USA.
      1. +2
        30 October 2017 16: 56
        It’s easy to exit the market. And enter again ???
        In the meantime, Trump hurried to the TOZ.

        November 3-14, US President Donald Trump's first 10-day Asian tour
        On November 3, Trump will stop in Hawaii on his way to Japan, where he will hold a meeting with the head of the US Pacific Command.
        - November 5. visit to Japan on November 7

        After Tokyo, he will visit South Korea, China, Vietnam and the Philippines.
        The main purpose of this trip is to agree on increasing diplomatic and economic pressure on Pyongyang in order to curb its nuclear ambitions.
        Trump is also expected to discuss trade and economic ties with the region and attend the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation Summit in Vietnam and the Summit of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations in the Philippines.
        The six-day summit will open on November 6 in the central city of Danang. The summit will bring together leaders from 21 APEC countries, including US President Donald Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping. And the President of the Russian Federation In Putin
        On November 10, the four-day ASEAN Summit will begin in the Philippines. (Association of Southeast Asian Nations). The main topics of discussion are economics and security.
      2. +6
        30 October 2017 22: 06
        Quote: svp67
        Yes, it will cost more for the USA, but they will have it

        More expensive and worse - which will mean an increase in prices and a decrease in the quality of Boeing, and competitors are not asleep.
      3. +3
        30 October 2017 22: 06
        Boeing pays in dollars. Airbus Euro. Those who will develop and that can be rubles. The question is capitalism or what?
        1. 0
          30 October 2017 22: 10
          The answer is titanium partners. Currency
        2. +2
          30 October 2017 22: 23
          We have <or something>. Stuck in the middle. When those who have had a happy childhood and youth under socialism will die, this muck can be fixed. Although it is unlikely, almost 100 years have been in the genes.
        3. +2
          30 October 2017 23: 04
          Quote: notingem
          capitalism or what?

          Bourgeois type: fool
    3. +8
      30 October 2017 16: 09
      Retaliatory sanctions are appropriate if they do not harm your own economy, and the export of titanium and its products is clearly not the case. As an extreme measure, of course, it will fit, but this has not yet come to this.
      1. +2
        30 October 2017 16: 16
        Quote: inkass_98
        Retaliatory sanctions are appropriate if they do not harm your own economy, and the export of titanium and its products is clearly not the case.

        That one. There will be no harm to the economy if the Americans pay for the titanium yuan and the euro.
        1. +7
          30 October 2017 17: 28
          Quote: Amurets
          There will be no harm to the economy if the Americans pay for the titanium yuan and the euro.

          only 20000 Russians will be left without work. Business then.
          1. +7
            31 October 2017 00: 13
            Quote: Sharansky
            only 20000 Russians will be left without work. Business then.

            20 is the entire staff of the company. For export to the United States it works on the strength of 000 and that is not a fact. Our titanium will be gladly bought by other countries, so do not worry for the people
      2. SMP
        +9
        30 October 2017 17: 29
        inkass_98 Today, 16:09 PM New
        Retaliatory sanctions are appropriate if they do not harm your own economy, and the export of titanium and its products is clearly not the case. As an extreme measure, of course, it will fit, but this has not yet come to this.


        However, restrictions on the supply of titanium abroad would adversely affect the development of the VSMPO-AVISMA goscorporation, which employs more than 20 thousand people and whose products are widely represented on the world market.


        Now count how many people are employed in the AIRPROM?
        both in the military-industrial complex and in the civilian aircraft industry?


        USA will find a replacement, but taking the opportunity that the Russian Federation imposed sanctions, and the price of titanium for the states will increase because it will turn out to be a monopoly, but it is possible that these 40% will not be able to find for China, too, after Russia may refuse to supply titanium.

        China, like Russia, is interested in selling finished products rather than raw materials, but the cost of Boeing products in the interests of both Russia and China, which is also striving for the civil aviation market,
        and put the bandwagon to the competitor is always welcome.
        Airbases will also be happy, this is the market ........
        1. +28
          30 October 2017 19: 53
          In short and to the point:
          1. Yankees are critically dependent on titanium supplies from Russia. China also produces titanium, but mainly finds it in its industry. There is practically no excess! In addition, there are no idiots in China, like ours, to squander resources to the detriment of ourselves. The Yankees simply will not find the right amount (therefore, they have long been making reserves for such a case, however they will not save either). To increase production is also not a quick matter, 5-10 years, depending on the situation.
          2. Titanium itself will come in handy - you need to massively invest in the aircraft industry and apply it massively in domestic production. As long as demand in the domestic market does not increase, titanium can be temporarily stored in the bins of the Motherland by investing in it, and not in anything unsecured greenery.
          It’s really possible to put azoanimals with titanium and space, only the Kremlin partners can do that? In addition, the lion's share of the sale goes directly to the right pockets. Hence these pathetic throwings of our greedy rulers.
          But the economy of our country as a whole refuses to sell titanium, like an elephant grains. All these articles, such as “do no harm”, are the essence of the old liberal song, in which the following verse: why do we need an army and navy ?!
          1. +1
            31 October 2017 08: 19
            Domestic demand for titanium is limited and will not grow rapidly - the demand for domestic aircraft is small, people fly a little. Everything is interconnected.....
          2. SMP
            0
            31 October 2017 11: 22
            It’s really possible to put azoanimals with titanium and space, only the Kremlin partners can do that? In addition, the lion's share of the sale goes directly to the right pockets. Hence these pathetic throwings of our greedy rulers.


            I already wrote on a nearby branch that Putin was sent by a Cossack to a campaign, in Russia only a traitor can introduce a contract Army, depriving the country of a mobilization reserve.
            They are both Masons with Medvedev along the way .. otherwise this will not be explained, you won’t take billions to the grave.
            1. 0
              29 November 2017 22: 17
              There is a forum nearby "kids mail ru". Not women’s, but women there are 70 percent. Another 29,9 -
              women who have grown sons. Tell the hens about the "mobilization reserve" ... I'll send you a wreath ...
          3. 0
            28 November 2017 21: 26
            Bravo! And I’m still waiting if any of the supporters of “make bucks” remember that titanium is a strategic raw material. And his reserves are finite. It seems that the Chinese understand this - especially considering the pace of economic development. It is unlikely that they will rush to occupy the vacated "holy place" and change what they themselves need for candy wrappers, from which America, by the way, can always refuse. Respect to you, a vivid example of state thinking!
        2. +11
          30 October 2017 21: 02
          China will gladly supply its titanium, do not even hesitate. Will expand production and forward. Even the products will be delivered and the USA will provide them with documentation. And the cost of Boeing products will be paid by Russia and other countries when buying their aircraft.
      3. +4
        30 October 2017 19: 27
        It is necessary to close the ISS American modules, tear off the mattresses from the walls, remove the pads from the American cabinets at the station, close the toilet and stop carrying them on our ships. The effect of an exploded toilet in Hurricane Elminho.
        1. +3
          30 October 2017 21: 04
          It is enough to do with a minimum - close the toilet. To say that the spare parts are over. And let them into your toilet at a speculative price. And prepaid required. And then you never know what - they will do their job and refuse to pay.
      4. +10
        30 October 2017 19: 48
        A TITANIUM ban on exports to the United States and NATO member countries of Russian STRATEGIC raw materials and materials is needed - it is they who ALREADY created the pre-war situation in Europe, Asia and the world as a whole. They are preparing an attack on Russia - and we continue to supply them with "titanium hire" and other important things for the military-industrial complex! This must be stopped - and at the same time, ALL control packages in such strategic sectors should be returned. We cut off their exports - we will return these industries to the people! And we will cheapen the products of our defense industry.
        1. 0
          3 November 2017 00: 55
          although I’m not from the Russian Federation, I fully support the return of controlling interest, but part of the proceeds from the sale to partners of the funds is to be directed to the needs of the military-industrial complex and defense.
      5. +9
        30 October 2017 19: 59
        The trick is that VSMPO entered the world market for a very long time and hard thanks to V.V. Tetyukhin For a long time, she worked at a loss, very much changed the consciousness of workers inside the enterprise, until 2008 she successfully resisted raider seizures both from the gangster structures and from the state. And so it began in 2008. First, the honored director was removed, then they began to change work inside, fighting not so much for improving quality as for pseudo cleanliness and order. And now comes the next round of ravings. I understand when unscrupulous companies are strangling, but VSMPO ??? One of the few Russian companies with a worldwide reputation, which is largely a world monopolist. Yes, in the case of the imposition of sanctions on our part, the Americans will find new suppliers within a year, and the rest of the world companies will follow them, and we will bend, thousands of people will be left without work, new territories will become depressed. We do not need such a government. it’s time for us who is beyond the Volga to separate from Moscow, let them feed on asphalt.
        1. +13
          30 October 2017 21: 07
          Your words really amuse me. Let's see: 60% of titanium for Boeing is how much and who supplies the remaining 40? and this "someone" will be able to build up production to close our supplies, for Titanium is neither iron nor aluminum, it is not so much on earth. good Now for the losses of "Avisma" - they already wrote to you that the Russian Government can launch the program "purchase of titanium for the state reserve" as you would not believe - it was in the USSR! good Moreover, “sitting” in the American market is not good and reliable, the only reliable location for the products is the Internal Market, and this is precisely what needs to be developed. To your possible phrase “when will it be yet”, the answer is “procurement of strategic raw materials to the state reserve”!
          1. +9
            30 October 2017 22: 10
            Quote: Mih1974
            The domestic market, that’s what it needs to be developed

            Namely, the Russian company helps all Boeings to squeeze Russian planes from the Russian market, and these are not the miserable pennies that Russia receives for parts made of titanium.
          2. +2
            31 October 2017 08: 04
            But the government is in no hurry to make "purchases of strategic raw materials to the state reserve." For many years, AVISMA actually works for the western "uncle", because titanium is not particularly needed for the homeland. But we run ahead of the rest to invest in the American economy by buying bonds of this country.
          3. 0
            7 November 2017 18: 35
            Only an unprepared and incompetent person can reason like this. As I said above, VSMPO entered the international market for a very long time and painfully. His portfolio of orders is far from just Boeing and Airbus. It’s just that Boeing implemented and are implementing joint programs to build the latest high-tech industries, with our scientific base. Not only our workers, but also engineers work at these plants. Not only the Chinese are capable of replenishing VSMPO products on the world market, but to a greater extent the North Americans (Canadians) and Europeans. But you forget one important thing. Competing with America in the quantity and quality of sanctions, we do not look at China at all. Meanwhile, only with VSMPO our highly qualified engineers leave there for the production and development of the titanium industry, there are simply no analogues and replacements at this time! And these are not just facts. Unique production requires a unique approach and the same unique people. But no one in the age of capitalism wants to work for an uncle under the guise of reasoning about patriotism. Therefore, scientists and engineers begin to change the country of residence, because remuneration is much higher in China. Our managers are still confident that a person should work for a piece of bread with butter and patriotism, but this is not so. And if they impose an embargo on VSMPO, the remaining engineers from less or less sophisticated will leave for China and America, and we will have left or completely unintelligent cranks that are not needed anywhere, or pensioners. And nobody will buy such volumes of titanium to the state reserve. There will be a drop in living standards in a particular area, and the collapse of a unique production. Until a civilian aircraft industry has been created in Russia and there are no sales markets for its products, an embargo cannot be imposed, otherwise the death of the industry.
          4. 0
            28 November 2017 21: 42
            I agree! This argument is akin to calls to invest our money in US securities - that is, in their economy. Instead of developing your own. By the way, it’s far from the fact that we can get them back ... They don’t talk about it in the news, but titanium is also an indispensable metal for modern military aircraft such as the Boeing F / A-18 Super Hornet. The titanium you need to purchase for a single F-35 Joint Strike Fighter is 30,000 pounds, or 15 tons. It is very similar to the joke about the sale of a pistol, with which you are robbed ...
        2. +2
          31 October 2017 08: 24
          To separate It’s easier to restore order in Moscow.
        3. +2
          31 October 2017 10: 25
          Tatar Stoll? Separate, he was going to;))
        4. 0
          3 November 2017 00: 58
          separation is a call for separatism. But to force the government to serve the people is serious. It’s a pity that in Ukraine this is not done, the Wall doesn’t cry for power, WEEP.
        5. 0
          5 November 2017 14: 54
          Please read carefully how many countries there are titanium producers. TWO !! Russia and China. China is barely for themselves. They will buy through Belarus, they will be happy there. And how much money has been invested in VSMPO by taxpayers of our country?
      6. +6
        30 October 2017 23: 12
        Quote: inkass_98
        Retaliatory sanctions are appropriate if they do not harm your own economy,

        Oh yes, yes obhss! Business is holy! Yes, let them humiliate, let "piss in the eyes" (!) .... in the end, the money does not smell!
        1. +1
          2 November 2017 03: 36
          In protest - quit your job. After all, your office ultimately also invests in US government bonds.
    4. +6
      30 October 2017 16: 23
      The Federation Council "generally" supports the bill ... However, restrictions on the supply of titanium abroad would adversely affect the development of the VSMPO-AVISMA goscorporation, which employs more than 20 thousand people and whose products are widely represented on the world market
      And for this there are as many as two ministries: the Ministry of Economic Development, and the Ministry of Industry and Trade, which are obliged to deal with such issues, and not only receive "golden parachutes"!sad
    5. +26
      30 October 2017 16: 26
      Palladium must be arrested! Russia will not suffer at all. Buy all Norilsk Nickel mining and put it into the Gokhran, since it is a precious metal - as is now done with gold.

      Arrange for the Jankers in 2001, when the price soared 10 times! Or let platinum catalysts do. am

      Moreover, the totalitarian Stalin built the Nornickel and there was nothing for any Democrats to open a mouth on it. laughing
      1. +9
        30 October 2017 19: 18
        this is a good idea .. I once read about how Stalin personally forced some precious metals, including palladium, to issue information to the world market in such a way that it would stimulate the highest possible price on the market and sell at maximum values. However, now this is not a big deal, everyone is controlled by swindlers and speculators.
        And so, a good option is to reduce sales on the foreign market and save, and the difference can be repelled by a high price
        1. +3
          30 October 2017 21: 08
          Even as all this is possible, the only thing is - in the "Faberge" of the Russian leadership.
        2. +4
          30 October 2017 23: 19
          Quote: AwaZ
          all are controlled by swindlers and speculators.

          Duc ... "market economy"! This is not a trifle for you under socialism!
    6. +1
      30 October 2017 16: 40
      This cannot be, because it can never be.
    7. +4
      30 October 2017 16: 43
      That's bullshit. We do not need so much titanium, and 70-80% goes to Boeing and Airbus. What will we feed people later.?
      1. +5
        30 October 2017 16: 49
        Boats made of titanium
        1. +3
          30 October 2017 16: 55
          They are already built from titanium 5x5 rolled metal. Our manufacturers do not save on themselves. And the expensive 5 coordinate machine for the production of parts for aircraft will stand idle ...
          1. +8
            30 October 2017 21: 12
            Have you read the article? Of the 300 camps that buy titanium - throw ONE (Boeing) why would the machines stand idle? And you need to develop your aviation, invest in it, different preferences and leasing centers (for those who cannot immediately pay the full amount for our plane). good And to sit on the buttocks evenly and rejoice that we are selling a resource which is generally not so much - idiocy !! This oil or gas is increasingly found or replaced by lipestrism, but there is very little titanium, and in Russia in general it seems to be one deposit.
            1. +1
              1 November 2017 08: 20
              In 100% of civilian planes in the world 60% Boeing 30% airbus and 10% everything else ....
        2. +2
          30 October 2017 17: 25
          Yeah ... and how to make shovels in the 90s, so that the Chinese would buy and export, as then.
          1. +3
            30 October 2017 19: 12
            my house scrap was titanium))) a useless thing like that, but to whom it was shown - they were surprised at how light
            1. +2
              30 October 2017 23: 28
              Quote: AwaZ
              my house scrap was titanium))) a useless thing like that, but to whom it was shown - they were surprised at how light

              Here you have no entrepreneurial vein! How useless when everyone was surprised ?! For the money had to show! fellow
              1. 0
                7 November 2017 18: 39
                very convenient thing, as well as erection, shovels, body armor
        3. +3
          30 October 2017 20: 04
          Already made basins in the 90s. Radio amateurs then used them on satellite dishes
        4. 0
          30 October 2017 21: 08
          They drown from titanium. "Kursk" for example
          1. +2
            31 October 2017 07: 47
            I’ll tell you a secret: if damaged, they drown from anything.
        5. +1
          3 November 2017 01: 05
          HOW REMEMBER THE TITANIUM Komsomolets is still not surpassed. And to get it at max depth was not easy
      2. 0
        31 October 2017 06: 05
        To do shovels from titanium, as at the great conversologist Gorbachev! laughing am
        1. 0
          7 November 2017 18: 40
          Yeltsin, the peak of the production of these products.
      3. 0
        28 November 2017 22: 01
        And how much% goes to the needs of the US Air Force, I think you also know?
        1. 0
          29 November 2017 21: 22
          We are not allowed to the defense yet.
    8. +8
      30 October 2017 17: 03
      Yes, you just need to get out of the dollar environment, as if it were not difficult and careless, and let them pay us for our goods in rubles
      1. +2
        30 October 2017 17: 29
        Quote: Mih-ai
        and let us pay for our goods in rubles

        can you give an example of such products?
        1. +3
          30 October 2017 19: 58
          The beginning has been made, these are the calculations for the service in the ports!
          So gradually translate and trade, buy rubles and pay it is not oil and gas on the exchange!
          1. +1
            30 October 2017 20: 06
            Services are not goods. You take away the topic.
            1. +6
              30 October 2017 21: 36
              Quote: Sharansky
              Services are not goods. You take away the topic.

              what what why then, when calculating GDP, do services take into account ??? fool fool wassat laughing
              1. +2
                30 October 2017 21: 38
                Then something both is a product. But to close the valve on the pipe is not a commodity. And the conversation here was specifically about goods, if you did not bother to read the thread.
                1. +7
                  31 October 2017 01: 54
                  Quote: Sharansky
                  Then something both is a product. But to close the valve on the pipe is not a commodity. And the conversation here was specifically about goods, if you did not bother to read the thread.

                  ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ... already ... wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing finally, it’s not about ventilation that answered you if you didn’t bother to read the thread !! laughing laughing laughing
        2. +1
          30 October 2017 20: 01
          at least for the same titanium
        3. +1
          30 October 2017 20: 06
          Full of goods. Ultra-pure rubies for high-power gas lasers I just remembered offhand
        4. +2
          30 October 2017 21: 13
          Agricultural products, which in 2017 exceeded the volume of weapons. tongue
          1. +2
            30 October 2017 21: 16
            Chtoli feed grain?
            1. +5
              30 October 2017 21: 19
              Bucks for them "feed" or "like everyone else" paid? tongue Yes, even let them pay for sawdust or uranium by the way - here it’s for sure “not fodder” and no one can replace us (physically there are no capacities).
              1. +2
                30 October 2017 21: 30
                Quote: Mih1974
                Bucks for them "feed" or "like everyone else" paid?

                So bucks are candy wrappers, sell for rubles try to get started. The question is just what you will do with rubles, if you buy everything you need for those very dollars.
                Quote: Mih1974
                nobody can replace us (physically there are no capacities).

                The capacity in the world is now physically abundant. Therefore, replace the entry. Most likely they will pay a little more of course. In the world, labor is almost everywhere more expensive than ours.
                1. +7
                  30 October 2017 21: 38
                  And here is the faloss tongue , smart people have repeatedly talked about "conspiracy theories" of Germany’s sudden love of green technology and the abandonment of nuclear power plants. Also, “suddenly” the japs ​​almost “became convinced” of the closure of the nuclear power plant, but didn’t do it - too many capacities will drop out (almost in the Stone Age they will collapse). Just the lack of capacities for producing "fuel uranium" and made merikasov conclude an agreement with us. Well, there is no enrichment capacity in the world, moreover, China has plans to build 200 reactors, and enrichment is still in the "Stone Age", only 5 generation centrifuges (we have NINTH bully ) At the same time, RosAtom has 36 reactor contracts (in the world), which are also essentially “purchased” enrichment capacities. And after the end of the HEU-LEU agreement, the mattresses were fully operational, they closed their last enrichment plant. Once again the LAST factory they closed !! fool They have a "small candlestick built by Europeans, but the mattresses have the most reactors (peace) in the world and they also have an army, many atomic submarines and 10 aviks. So don’t tell us fairy tales - they’ll buy from others, nobody has it buy.
                  1. +1
                    30 October 2017 22: 17
                    Yeah, and the Urenco factory must have licked a cow with its tongue)
                    1. +1
                      30 October 2017 22: 19
                      Do you mean black in Russian or do you need to translate or larger letters?
                      They have a "small candlestick built by Europeans You can chew or you can realize that this is it?
                      1. +8
                        30 October 2017 22: 25
                        Quote: Mih1974
                        Europeans

                        Well then, "Europeans" or something laughing
                        1. +1
                          30 October 2017 22: 29
                          laughing You know, this “candle factory” has one small flaw - well, you know that America knew how to make nuclear weapons (?), And they make it from enriched “miscellaneous” so that Americans closed all their capacities because Uranco didn’t enriches to a military percentage (here stsuki). And even though you do what to do with it - they flatly refuse, but it seems they never knew how. So what mm "pisyunom" and from what the Americans will make nuclear bombs - only Allah knows. laughing feel
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                        1. +1
                          30 October 2017 22: 54
                          But in different ways tongue and this question you are addressing to the “Clinton family”, it is they - “convinced” us to sell the “uranium namba Odyn” tongue
                          And enrichment - laughing laughing crying laughing laughing , yes you at least open the "wiki". There are also black in Russian and even numbers. bully
                      3. 0
                        30 October 2017 22: 56
                        Sorry, I’m not competent to continue talking with the phallus specialist. Not from your environment.
                        1. +2
                          30 October 2017 23: 35
                          Quote: Sharansky
                          Sorry, I’m not competent to continue talking with the phallus specialist. Not from your environment.

                          Do you not like women?
                  2. 0
                    31 October 2017 19: 12
                    We should also mention the agreement on the use of weapons-grade plutonium in MOX fuel, the Europeans harnessed themselves to help the Americans, but so far they have not taken off, although they initially thought that Russia would not master this technology. Putin recently suspended a plutonium reprocessing program; Americans want to bury plutonium; TVELs cannot.
        5. 0
          5 November 2017 15: 11
          It would be a zeal. But they just don’t want to jump from this needle. The President didn’t finish the ports, start working this year for rubles.
    9. +2
      30 October 2017 17: 08
      Well, leave the market will be replaced by the Chinese. in a state fool finally can not trick a chip? as if we are the only ones who have titanium.
      1. Fox
        +2
        30 October 2017 17: 20
        Quote: unignm
        Well, leave the market will be replaced by the Chinese.

        do not replace. the store ceases the products of the first second-sell redistribution-only READY-made products.
        1. +3
          30 October 2017 17: 32
          If there is demand, there will be supply. But there is nothing to lose market share.
        2. 0
          30 October 2017 20: 07
          I only know about the ban on the export of rare earth metals for electronics
          1. 0
            30 October 2017 22: 03
            Titanium is just a rare earth material
            1. +1
              31 October 2017 10: 29
              No, as far as I know. Titanium is a metal, not a rare earth element.
    10. +2
      30 October 2017 17: 23
      Titanium ... titanium ... and close the gas valve weakly ... ??? especially that winter is on the verge. This is of course a joke ... humor ... to the evil mom does not need to freeze his ears.
      1. 0
        30 October 2017 18: 47
        Well, the tomatoes have already returned.
        1. +5
          30 October 2017 21: 37
          Quote: bandabas
          Well, the tomatoes have already returned.

          and before their return, Erdogas took such a sip with his country that you would not envy ... and rightly so !!! wassat wassat laughing laughing good good good
      2. 0
        30 October 2017 22: 14
        Quote: Strashila
        and shut off the gas valve weakly ... ???

        They will simply take offense for titanium, and war will begin for gas - the Third World War.
    11. 0
      30 October 2017 17: 30
      At the "request of the workers", of course, they will not cut anything. Well, at the urgent request of the "partners" too.
    12. +9
      30 October 2017 18: 30
      The current government does not have “arguments against Kolka Saprykin” and we are already being prepared for this. And if we had our own developed aviation and other industries, we could use titanium for ourselves, and sell planes and other high-tech products. But alas, the comprador oligarchic power is capable of trading only minerals, everything else is beyond its power.
      1. +1
        30 October 2017 19: 51
        Russia, and stop servicing the purchased aircraft aircraft which replaced the aircraft of their own production, destroying their own aircraft industry by our figures !!!
        1. +1
          30 October 2017 21: 15
          And why did you decide that they would not ban it anyway? Or did you, as sulYuvanov, “believe” - that the Americans will NEVER arrest our dollars invested in their debts? Nude nude, tell it to the Iranians, Libyans, etc.
      2. 0
        30 October 2017 20: 11
        For your planes, you need to make engines, and most importantly avionics, and with this we are a little taut. Only recently they switched to digital control, otherwise everything was analog
      3. 0
        7 November 2017 18: 43
        I completely agree, wrote about this above. Before banning, it is necessary to create a similar production, to conquer part of the market, and to produce and sell with God's help.
    13. +7
      30 October 2017 18: 44
      Blah blah blah. Money doesn't smell. Only, periodically and constantly, we begin to fold into operations for children. With, like, insurance medicine. Shame.
    14. +5
      30 October 2017 18: 51
      Consider longer, guys, longer ... So that you can make “import substitution”, as it is fashionable in Russia. While you decide whether to hold the titan or not, they will find a replacement, a holy place does not happen empty. Such things are done all of a sudden - today they decided, tomorrow you shish, not titanium. Only then will it be concrete
      1. 0
        30 October 2017 19: 05
        Yes, that they can without Volodya, work
      2. +4
        30 October 2017 21: 17
        Yes, yes, the Japonians also thought so when they were rude to China, and then the Chinese introduced an embargo on the supply of rare earths to Japia, they went out to the feces just once, and crawled to China for mercy. And what is “funny” is that for some reason no other suppliers appeared from anywhere. tongue
    15. +4
      30 October 2017 18: 57
      Our elites will refuse the dollars that Americans pay them for titanium and much more ?! Haha three times! ...
      1. 0
        30 October 2017 22: 19
        Quote: Fedya2017
        Our elites will refuse the dollars that Americans pay them for titanium and much more ?! Haha three times! ...

        For our elite, these are tears.
    16. +3
      30 October 2017 19: 00
      The Federation Council "in general" supports ........
      -------------------------------------------------
      Pouted, pouted ...... still a bit, made the dragon's face ...
      .Do not fart.
    17. +1
      30 October 2017 19: 11
      I am sure that it is not necessary to ban the export of titanium ... frostbite our ears! On the contrary, it is necessary to increase the export of all possible products, and with this we will give the best answer to the sanctions!
      You can try to introduce a ban on the sale of raw titanium in the United States, but leave the opportunity to sell semi-finished products and finished products
      1. 0
        30 October 2017 22: 21
        Quote: Serhiodjan
        You can try to introduce a ban on the sale of raw titanium in the United States

        And you google how much titanium Russia produces.
      2. 0
        5 November 2017 15: 17
        If you leave ONLY finished products. I think it will be so good.
    18. +2
      30 October 2017 19: 16
      Why impose sanctions at all? It is necessary to raise export duties. Let them fill our budget.
      1. +1
        30 October 2017 19: 59
        A TITANIUM ban on exports to the United States and NATO member countries of Russian STRATEGIC raw materials and materials is needed - it is they who ALREADY created the pre-war situation in Europe, Asia and the world as a whole. They are preparing an attack on Russia - and we continue to supply them with "titanium hire" and other important things for the military-industrial complex! This must be stopped - and at the same time, ALL control packages in such strategic sectors should be returned. We cut off their exports - we will return these industries to the people! And we will cheapen the products of our defense industry.
    19. +3
      30 October 2017 19: 32
      Or are there so many industries in Russia that keep up with the times and supply more and more products to the world market?

      Is raw material export now called keeping up with the times?
    20. 0
      30 October 2017 19: 34
      QED request
      It remains only to “preoccupations” and “disappointments” to come up with abrupt adjectives in order to show the full force of retaliatory measures fellow The "deepest" no longer roll - the strength of the answer is not the same. Great and powerful to help - you have to answer sanctions wassat
    21. +2
      30 October 2017 19: 36
      The development of one's own country should be much higher priority than the delivery of something to the "world market". In this we must take an example from China. He first developed himself, and then he began to export goods (not raw materials!) Around the world.
    22. +1
      30 October 2017 19: 37
      It is advisable to do this when we can load Nizhny Salda with our orders at 100%, then this will undoubtedly be a trump card both in terms of the competitive advantage of our aircraft industry and in the political plan .... all tests of airborne missiles with PD will pass, we’ll build another couple - the top three factories for their production, then perhaps that’s possible .... but for now, you need to work your teeth together ... while it’s possible
    23. +2
      30 October 2017 19: 39
      Quote: seal78
      Or are there so many industries in Russia that keep up with the times and supply more and more products to the world market?

      Is raw material export now called keeping up with the times?

      What kind of raw material - titanium? )) LOL .... google the product range of VSMPO
      1. 0
        30 October 2017 19: 48
        Yes, it’s titanium. No matter how google, but he is the raw material.
        1. +3
          30 October 2017 22: 24
          Quote: seal78
          Yes, it’s titanium. No matter how google, but he is the raw material.

          Russia's share in the global production of titanium concentrates is 0,6%.
          Russia does not export titanium, but exports titanium parts for the aviation industry.
          That is, in this case, it is not Russian titanium that is in demand, but Russian production technologies.
    24. +2
      30 October 2017 19: 44
      The state corporation currently has over 20.000 employees.

      It will seem inconspicuous if, in contrast to us, we stop supplying components and assemblies for the Russian fleet, and stop servicing aircraft with which we replaced our own production aircraft, practically destroying our own aircraft industry with our figures !!!
      By deliberately ditching its industry, the country is forced to buy a lot of what they themselves produced and were exporters in such areas as machine tool construction and development, and much more!
      1. 0
        30 October 2017 21: 12
        And even they can forbid Russian Boeings to fly abroad due to lack of maintenance, prevention and repair! Abandoned airports and all. The vacuum will be filled with flights of their companies.
      2. +1
        30 October 2017 21: 22
        And who told you that “tomorrow” they will not impose sanctions on the ban on servicing aviation, how do you scare? For such "smart people" like you - today there are no US restrictions on restricting Russia. The USA can limit Russia - in ANY field in which we "cooperate" with them and the longer we do not react, the more restrictions they will "impose" on us. Think with your head and do not expect "mercy from the coves."
    25. 0
      30 October 2017 20: 02
      Grabin - do you know who this is? - in the book “Victory Arms” there is a description of one meeting with Stalin on the adoption of a new gun with excellent characteristics. The chief designer, reporting on the merits of his brainchild, did not forget to mention the technological innovation used in the manufacturing process - welding. This caused a revival at the meeting - welding was then a rarity. Stalin asked, they say, where did you get the equipment for welding? The designer replied that they had been purchased in France. To which Stalin said:
      - A weapon for which it is necessary to purchase equipment abroad, our army does not need.
      And closed the meeting.
      1. +5
        30 October 2017 20: 51
        More like a bike. In 39, an economic treaty was concluded with Germany. Under this agreement, we were supplied with a lot of equipment, including for defense. One story (or bike ??) from those times. We bought equipment for the production of trunks, such as a drawing mill, and asked the Germans - how many passes do the trunk make? The Germans answered - for one, but did not give the technology. Installed at home, experiencing two, three passes, no less. They try so, that way .- But in one pass it does not work. How is it that the Germans succeed, we don’t? Do not quit. And in a year and a half or two it turned out! Joy, pride. And after the war they learn that the Germans didn’t plan in one pass - such a joke was from the Germans.
        1. 0
          30 October 2017 21: 55
          No tales. Read: http: //modernlib.ru/books/grabin_vasiliy/
          oruzhie_pobedi / read
        2. 0
          31 October 2017 18: 34
          Cutting the barrel in one pass is IMPOSSIBLE! I’m telling you as a metal cutting technologist. This time.
          And no need - these are two ...
          1. 0
            31 October 2017 23: 06
            At the machining center, the trunk can be made - the grooves are already on the other, and in the end the chrome channel is chromed.
            1. 0
              1 November 2017 19: 19
              Quote: Vadim237
              At the machining center, the trunk can be made

              Quality trunks - no. Dorning allows you to make massive trunks, as well as rotational forging. Significant metal stresses are present. Match and sniper trunks are made by classic cutting from 20 to 100 passes on CNC. The more passes, the higher the accuracy and cost of the machine - its price increases thousands of times
    26. 0
      30 October 2017 20: 07
      Titanium revenge must be shown when sanctions affect the escort of aircraft sold to us. Until then, you can cut off diplomatic missions, limit their movement and contacts in Russia, reduce the ability of the media, etc. That is, to suppress their propaganda and other organs of influence. You can, in the end, dramatically drop their securities on the market and start gas trading for the euro.
    27. 0
      30 October 2017 20: 13
      why not ban: windows, office and ipl, facebook and tweeter ????
      1. 0
        30 October 2017 22: 27
        Quote: Alex K
        why not ban: windows, office and ipl, facebook and tweeter ????

        Probably because they were created by Russian programmers?
        1. 0
          1 November 2017 19: 26
          Quote: Setrac
          Quote: Alex K
          why not ban: windows, office and ipl, facebook and tweeter ????

          Probably because they were created by Russian programmers?

          Yes, "stupid" Indians did them, especially excel ... I want to spew liquids from BASIC and Excel. The only Indian I remember is Chandrasekar. He is EMNIP one of the first who calculated the consequences of SRT (there is Oppenheimer, Volkov, etc.)
      2. 0
        30 October 2017 22: 46
        That would be great. Information hunger and tightening of nuts and the country is working again and not at nightclubs.
    28. +1
      30 October 2017 20: 19
      I happened 18 years working ON WHEELS FACTORY light alloys Moscow considers necessary and indispensable DISCONTINUE FULLY titanium supplies to US IT WILL answer their SANCTIONS AGAINST RUSSIA IS ENOUGH WITH THEM ceremony and WHAT TO NEGOTIATE THEY our potential enemies and friends NEVER BEEN AND WILL NOT WILL BE ENOUGH TO WATCH THE WEST IN THE MOUTH AND TO BELIEVE THEIR ASSURANCE OF THE WORLD RUSSIA IS ENVIRONED WITH THE FULLY MILITARY BASES OF THE USA AND THEIR ALLIES THE STATE DUMA REMAINS THE STATE OF THE DEATURE TURNS OF STEES AND TURN BURNER IS STILLING TURNING AND STILLING TURNING TO STOP.
      1. +1
        30 October 2017 21: 14
        You propose to leave the former comrades without work: And I suppose he himself is retired?
      2. 0
        1 November 2017 19: 54
        2Sergey Zvontsov
        Caps write a sign of bad tone and is recognized as obscene on most sites, regardless of position and semantic load
    29. 0
      30 October 2017 20: 23
      That is - to answer --- there is nothing.
    30. +2
      30 October 2017 20: 24
      Half of the finished products from titanium "VSMPO-AVISMA" is used in the aerospace or defense industry in the form of alloys, where individual extremely stringent requirements are provided that are not comparable with the exchange unification. For other consumers, rolling, stamping and products from titanium and its alloys due to their relatively high (compared to stainless steel) prices are made for certain projects and are not universal. Finally, a titanium sponge is also ordered mainly for individual projects under long-term contracts with a specific consumer. Prices for it are closed, they are significantly higher than spot prices.

      The profitability of the titanium business is now about 20%. This is not much, because this business is very expensive from an investment point of view. Almost all the profits of the enterprise are spent on technical re-equipment, equipment - machine tools, furnaces, etc. - terribly expensive.
      1. 0
        5 November 2017 15: 32
        And what, colleague, is 20% already miserable NOT profitable? And how much do you think should be profitability?
    31. +1
      30 October 2017 20: 24
      The most dangerous for the VSMPO-Boeing bunch is the deterioration of relations between Russia and the United States. Not so long ago, both companies received a clear reminder of this when the US State Department imposed sanctions against Rostekhnologii and the Sukhoi Holding Company, prohibiting private American companies from supplying dual-use products to them. True, according to the assurances of Boeing representatives, the American government does not intend to encroach on numerous projects of the company with the two Russian organizations and VSMPO - it is understandable, in this case the United States will suffer more. Indeed, while the partnership with VSMPO-AVISMA for Boeing, according to expert estimates, means saving $ 200 million a year. How long will this state of affairs last?
    32. +3
      30 October 2017 20: 37
      Listen, even the article shows that the introduction of a ban on the supply of titanium in the United States will not lead to ruin or a drastic reduction, because there is also a "watermelon" and 299 companies! good And many times already I wrote - you can start "strategic procurement in state reserves." That is, I want to remind such a clever idea as - in the USSR there was no titanium export at all (it was considered a strategic resource), from the word - Absolutely! Here are the same bucks from “treasure” to take out lards 10-30 and buy up “excess” titanium on them and bury them “vertically in sand” (so as not to burn out). So in the USSR they could afford 500 tons of highly enriched uranium to have (and this is monstrous money), which really is Russia not able to buy all the titanium that Boeing bought? Come on, it definitely can, moreover - then it will be possible to put this titanium into manufacturing weapons (for our Army) or sell it if prices soar! Something I did not hear that in America at least one company would go bankrupt from the ban on the supply of equipment (oil industry, shelf) to Russia, why would our Avisma go bankrupt? Yes, even in the courts, the Americans will not be able to drag her in - 100% force majeure. tongue
      1. +2
        31 October 2017 02: 13
        Does the name Ural Boeing Manufacturing in Upper Salda tell you anything?
        It is sharpened for the production of finished parts for Boeing, according to their specifications, it has passed a long and very expensive certification process according to their corporate standards. How do you imagine the rapid replacement of these orders with work for other aircraft manufacturers?
        And about the so-called. "strategic reserve" - ​​do you propose to store chassis racks or frames for the B-777 or B-787 as works of art? There, the main added value is created specifically for the production of forgings and their machining, since they generally import raw materials to a large extent (including from the Donbass).
      2. 0
        31 October 2017 07: 56
        Russia can do it! But private business is not! Do not confuse private wool with state! When the state leaves planning and regulation, there will always be such perturbations. Private business is a priori sharpened for profit here and now! And neoliberal capitalism, coupled with the oligarchy, which rules in our country, and even more so!
      3. 0
        5 November 2017 15: 43
        The Ministry of Finance is selling dollars with one hand, and is buying them now with the other. Let the titan buy them, instead of paper it’s dirty green.
    33. +1
      30 October 2017 20: 50
      Few people know that Russia is the main and main supplier of palladium. This is only one metal, which is now trading at four times the price of gold, the absence of which in Europe can completely stop the automotive industry. The fact is that palladium is used in the manufacture of oil filters for cars and even now, despite the fact that Russia continues to fulfill its obligations to supply this metal, there is a shortage of several tons of this metal in the world.
      oh no current titanium however
      1. 0
        31 October 2017 23: 11
        It is necessary to establish production of Beryllium, Scandium and Iridium, in the automotive industry, aviation, instrument making, and the nuclear industry are very in demand.
    34. +1
      30 October 2017 20: 58
      The duty on products for mattress-striped owners should be increased by a factor of 20. Let them do the filling of the budget.
    35. +1
      30 October 2017 21: 06
      If, however, it had reached our strategists that it is possible to import only what is not produced in our country, if we had not recognized China as a metropolis dictating which industry should live (for now) in Russia, and which could be covered by killing duty free, without the cost of delivering goods from China using the Russian Post - we would have solved most of the export problems due to domestic demand, but for now our way into the tunnel, and not from it.
    36. +1
      30 October 2017 22: 21
      Can anyone explain how it is possible to inflict a trade blow on the USA by restricting the access of own products to the market? In my opinion, the essence of any trade war is the restriction of access to its market of imported goods, additional protection of their own manufacturers. So let's think better what of the American can be limited. Previously, for example, “Bush’s legs”, now you can limit the products that are licensed by US companies ... you can certainly shy away from fast foods and Coca-Cola. In any case, I would suggest simply introducing additional duties on both titanium export and import, and justify the fees from them as losses of our economy from sanctions ... No need to copy them! For in this case we will never be the first ... electronics, cars - everything that has an American origin - an additional duty of 20-30 percent. This will be a worthy answer! And to turn off the fact that even the Americans did not turn off, coming up with sanctions is not necessary!
      1. 0
        31 October 2017 07: 59
        There is one suggestion! 1. It is merciless to crush NGOs with foreign financing. 2. Withdraw money from treasuries. 3. Develop your industry with the money withdrawn from treasure.
    37. +1
      30 October 2017 22: 27
      Quote: Evil Elf
      For your planes, you need to make engines, and most importantly avionics, and with this we are a little taut. Only recently they switched to digital control, otherwise everything was analog

      Despite the fact that we switched to digital control, this control has one drawback, it is easier to undergo cyber attacks. I believe that to start digital control, you need a key on an analog system.
    38. +1
      30 October 2017 22: 34
      With the money earned for titanium, the Americans could build a Boeing plant and even with technology.
      African countries junk.
    39. +2
      30 October 2017 23: 22
      Six months to sell nothing. No sanctions. Fold into a nook. The salary of the entire complex is due to the sold eighteenth yacht and a fifth of the fur store. With a real desire to help the country !!! - this is done elementarily. And then peacefully wait for “partners” with proposals for life at the button at the UN (if you really want to, at the Mausoleum).
    40. 0
      31 October 2017 00: 57
      Judging by the fact that all the increasing rudeness, arrogance and sanctions of Amers in relation to Russia, there are some caveats, such as responding with mirror measures, which are still available, it will all be one zilch ..! ?? It seems that we do not have these reciprocal mirror measures to sober up the adversaries and this is very sad. Whatever we forbid in trade with the USA, alas, we lose more, at least experts are inclined to this. We must continue to stubbornly raise the economy and China, an example, then it will be useless, but threatening in vain is somehow not serious.
    41. +2
      31 October 2017 03: 14
      Impose a ban on the export of titanium raw materials, ingots, pig titanium, and increase the state duty on titanium semi-finished products and finished titanium products!
    42. +1
      31 October 2017 04: 32
      They will buy through intermediaries, such as shrimp from Belarus.
    43. +1
      31 October 2017 06: 48
      -Yes, titanium ... is such a product that it is useful everywhere (at least in aviation, at least in medicine, etc. ...) and everywhere it will be “torn off with hands” ... -And if Russia is seriously going to carry it out “not one-time "(one or two) deliveries of the latest modern military aircraft ... -fighters, attack aircraft, helicopters, drones, drones .., missiles .., to our VKS, it’s worthwhile to take care of the availability of the required volume of this lightweight and durable metal ... - Once it was believed that there was plenty of uranium in the country ...
      -And now where are these uranium mines ...
      -And titanium should be exported only in the form of ready-made castings, billets, parts, etc. ... -And do not be afraid that Russia will lose sales markets ...
      -And the Chinese are unlikely to start supplying titanium to the foreign market "raw" ...
      - They are more likely to start purchasing raw materials from Russia, and finished parts from titanium will already be exported ...
      - And Russia should not be afraid ... - You just have to show your will ...
    44. 0
      31 October 2017 07: 44
      There is no need to refuse cooperation. It is necessary to produce the parts they need in Russia. They need to invest titanium in production in Russia. We will do it here and send it. They don’t want to. Let them buy the material at a double price. So that the material costs like finished parts. You need Boeing invested in production in Russia. It is impossible with them otherwise.
    45. +1
      31 October 2017 08: 28
      VSMPO-AVISMA, according to open sources, produces more than 90% of Russian titanium!
      20 000 Employees are afraid to dismiss? !!!! It seems to me that if you cut off the managerial appetites and don’t give bonuses, you can hold out, given that the demand for titanium will still be stable - stop whining - it's time to do it!
    46. +1
      31 October 2017 08: 43
      This company is the largest titanium producer in the world, supplies titanium to 48 countries, and due to the fact that supplies to the USA cease, it will not suffer much, or it may win because it will open new markets. Another thing is that under existing contracts it will obliged to continue to supply titanium until the end of the contract, accordingly, during this time it will find new buyers. Of course, the Americans will also be able to find new sellers during this time, although it will cost them much more. Anyway, their production will not suffer , only the profit of enterprises that work with titanium will decrease.
      1. 0
        6 November 2017 21: 08
        Unfortunately, Ukraine will be able to replace Russia with titanium supplies - they also have this good ...
    47. +1
      31 October 2017 08: 54
      “... it wasn’t easy for the deputies to delicately make it clear to the deputies that“ everything must be carefully weighed and analyzed so that, God forbid, it doesn’t hit us either. ”Yeah, well, after all, everything that has been overpowered by hard work - EVERYTHING is saved in those "bins".
    48. 0
      31 October 2017 09: 53
      We need to weigh, but also to do what is necessary, because we sat on our neck, or maybe we should give up and show our teeth.
    49. +1
      31 October 2017 10: 09
      To such "brainy" deputies who are stricting laws that kill the economy - they will immediately drive them to the neck from the Duma.
      They can’t do anything, but it’s good to ban them.
      The American proverb - "Shoot yourself in the foot," is how you can describe the intentions of the deputies.
      Only they do not shoot themselves in the foot ... In case of breach of contract, Boeing will find a replacement, AVISMA will lose its largest client, hard workers will lose their jobs, the state will not receive taxes. And the deputies do not lose anything - they all the same get into the Duma on the list, on the principle of personal loyalty.
    50. +1
      31 October 2017 10: 49
      One of the few possibilities of blackmailing the West and the states, in the hope of protecting our foreign funds with our oligarchs. The attempt is a failure. Everyone understands that they can’t decide on this step.
    51. +1
      31 October 2017 12: 03
      Are you crazy?! They coveted the holy of holies - only the top management fed by the amers in excess of profits! It's mind boggling!

      No, it’s better to be a “gas station” country. Why build our own planes? when you can sell a titanium blank on the cheap to “kind” guys from overseas. Well, green pieces of paper are much more valuable than rare, (non-renewable!!!) titanium. Why develop your industry, develop society, when you can stupidly sell minerals abroad, rob your mother’s native land abroad, and fool the people.

      Our rulers are greedy! Lost your mind! As far as I know, titanium production requires a very large amount of energy, so passages about “they will go to someone else” do not work.
      WHEN the war starts, all these managers and ministers who care so much about the US economy will go abroad to their houses, and the slave laborers will be left with nothing before inevitable extermination
    52. +1
      31 October 2017 15: 00
      The main thing is to make money and make a profit, and the rest is a shock to the people, they themselves led to this, the dollar will fart and we will have a stink
    53. +1
      31 October 2017 19: 51
      Why can't you just raise the price a little? So to speak, you can scratch an elephant and still remain intact. But VSMPO also produced cheap saucepans and spoons from stainless steel, but now the price is such that everyone buys Chinese ones. And I have long been interested in the question: “How does this happen here? And, everywhere!” The truth and the answer immediately suggests itself is that the bribery of our officials by the same Chinese from the bottom to the very top is to blame for this, and the most important agents of influence sit in the same Duma.
    54. 0
      1 November 2017 00: 27
      “Insuring yourself” means you need to... Especially those “servants of the people” who have real estate and relatives “over the hill”?
      I have an assumption that we will not wait for the designated bill...
    55. +2
      1 November 2017 07: 21
      Let's call a spade a spade. There will be a demand for titanium in any case, due to active rearmament and the need to revive domestic aircraft and shipbuilding, it will be in demand on the domestic market. But the catch is that selling to the domestic market to private owners is NOT PROFITABLE. They are baked only for profit in their pockets and there is no concern for the workers here. Selling overseas for foreign currency is easier and more profitable than fighting over contracts with the Ministry of Defense. And the topic of counter-sanctions is simply a designated probability for foreign “partners” and their own nouveau riche. The first will survive without our titanium, but this will hit their wallets very impressively, the second will show where the line between greed and national interests is.
    56. +1
      1 November 2017 07: 24
      The only real “anti-sanctions” (if it so happens that there are no economic levers of influence) on the United States are bringing individual citizens of the United States and the EU to trial for lying about Russia and its citizens, revealing and widely publishing any “dirty laundry” about politicians and leaders , leaders of the US financial and industrial sector, etc.
    57. +2
      1 November 2017 08: 12
      According to the author: Do you need seven tons of verbal fluff, but leave the holy horse of the economy untouched? Apparently you need to wipe yourself off for the sake of: “.....introduce yourself...especially in the market of the United States” Like proud sovereignty can be created without losses,..just think, bend around the corner a couple of times,...it’s for the sake of the cause - for the sake of the holy horse . But when she .. uh then .. we are the same uh. Rave.
      For me, if for the sake of state prestige it is necessary to incur losses, then someone in the corporation will miss the profit and will develop wider. In Russia there are a lot of places to create growth for domestic consumption, which is the key to the sustainability of the country’s economy. And praying for orders from behind a hill, bending over for a carrot, is running in a circle.
      1. +1
        1 November 2017 08: 57
        In Russia there are a lot of places to create growth for domestic consumption, which is the key to the sustainability of the country’s economy.


        I saw titanium shovels for sale.... wink
        1. 0
          1 November 2017 09: 38
          Quote: Marquis Cat
          In Russia there are a lot of places to create growth for domestic consumption, which is the key to the sustainability of the country’s economy.


          I saw titanium shovels for sale.... wink

          And I see around me: machines, food equipment, robots, PCs, software, tools, oils, lubricants, spare parts, plastic, rubber goods, construction equipment,... ..and everything: made in....., ... and German shovels.
    58. Egg
      0
      1 November 2017 12: 15
      Quote: Victor N
      There is little demand for domestic aircraft; few people fly.

      The demand for domestic aircraft is small because everything is filled with Boeings written off in other countries, although I can’t understand why they are better than ours... comfort? Since the seats have already been moved in them and additional ones installed, sitting there is not much more comfortable than in our carcasses, maybe even worse.
      As for too few people flying past, you can’t buy tickets, even out of season.
    59. Egg
      +1
      1 November 2017 12: 22
      Quote: Zaurbek
      We don’t need that much titanium, and 70-80% goes to Boeing and Airbus.

      Are you worried that you will have to receive kickbacks in rubles and store them in Sberbank and not offshore? laughing
    60. 0
      1 November 2017 12: 51
      Yes, YOU can only react on a verbal level, God forbid, the guarantor’s friends lose their money. The thief's interests come first.
      1. 0
        1 November 2017 14: 34
        Quote: spiriolla-xnumx
        The thief's interests come first

        What country are you talking about now? ...or else. it smelled like lard.
    61. 0
      1 November 2017 14: 47
      Quote: Zaurbek
      That's bullshit. We do not need so much titanium, and 70-80% goes to Boeing and Airbus. What will we feed people later.?

      Build your own planes, smart guy! sad
    62. 0
      2 November 2017 19: 39
      In short, politics is politics, spitting in the face is spitting, but business is sacred! So what?
    63. +1
      2 November 2017 20: 52
      What if you don’t announce sanctions, but sell titanium through an intermediary. For example, DPR. and naturally more expensive. and with the condition - shipment from Crimea. So we’ll see what outweighs - Russophobia or common sense. And Europe will look at the pots.
    64. 0
      3 November 2017 01: 16
      Let's cry about how bad they are, they impose sanctions on us, we'll wake up, but we won't do anything at the same time. What if we lose something that won’t go anywhere. It seems that everyone is trying to take care not for themselves, but for Uncle Sam.
    65. 0
      3 November 2017 16: 35
      Titanium can be sold to China, or titanium production can be increased in Russia.
      For example, the military needs heavy-duty structures in technology, it would also be useful for trains, ships, flying equipment, and medicine...

      They just didn’t do this, the officials don’t want to work until they are kicked, they get paid per man-hour, not for the work done.
    66. 0
      4 November 2017 11: 55
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Quote: demo
      But how do you see the answer to the arbitrariness of the Americans?

      Sale prices increase ..... they say, nothing personal, sanctions! bully

      Three times. If you want, buy, if you don’t want, make airplanes out of iron
    67. 0
      4 November 2017 11: 55
      Quote: demo
      Plus set you.
      But the question has ripened.
      But how do you see the answer to the arbitrariness of the Americans?

      The most beautiful thing would be when Kim would hit the stronghold of crap with a couple of megatons!!...I think this would sober up the general people!!!
    68. 0
      4 November 2017 12: 48
      A controlling stake in AVISMA belongs to the management of this largest titanium producer... You don’t need to read further...
    69. 0
      4 November 2017 15: 00
      Quote: Vard
      A controlling stake in AVISMA belongs to the management of this largest titanium producer... You don’t need to read further...

      and what??....if the GDP prohibits export, then they will drive like titanium across the border?...in their pockets??
    70. 0
      5 November 2017 00: 16
      Everything must be done gradually, using your head. If we immediately cut off supplies to Boeing, we will run into refusal to carry out maintenance. And what to fly?
      First, establish production and increase the number of MC21 and SSJ, then reduce the supply of titanium parts for the 737, we can’t cope. As more of your own planes appear, crush the rest.
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    72. 0
      5 November 2017 12: 23
      I’m not an expert in the field of foreign trade - I’ll make a reservation right away, in order to avoid barbs and sarcasm, but gesheftiks are still successful. From these thoughts I have a reasoning on the topic. HOW LONG!!! HOW LONG will we repeat “THE ALL THESE ARE NOT OURS”! Just to “sound” something. Are your hands itchy? Close! Ban! Break/terminate! Bli-i-i-i-nt. I want to let the “ov” go - forward. Indicate that payments for a product (this particular one, let’s say) are now in gold/platinum rubles (independent of exchange rates and strictly tied to our opinion - how much it “weighs”, not available in free circulation). For a treasury note/bill or digital denomination, like Bitcoin, as an option, but its own, Russian one. And all payments and transactions are through a Russian bank and nothing more. You need 1000 tons of titanium - go to the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, buy our RUBLE (for hard currency, precious metals/diamonds, the latest technologies, shares in your companies (a real share, not bullshit). You can also for their state secrets. Why - these are their rules and norms - nothing personal! Business! In general, don’t strain your own people and don’t set them up, but put pressure on your enemies / “partners” where it hurts most - the ubiquitous, green pieces of paper. Let them be eccentrics, not buyers, but “partners” from Washington, They’ll figure out how much “fat” won’t stick to their hands. Well, somewhere like that... In this direction. Let them work hard for our Ruble, get it. Work for its “strength” and stability.....
      1. 0
        6 November 2017 22: 09
        Takil, can you imagine how many Russian currency accounts there are in American banks? and that they can unilaterally freeze them at any time? whose accounts are these, huh? here's a gold ruble for you
    73. 0
      5 November 2017 14: 18
      Yes, it is stupid to act without thinking about the consequences.

      You need to act in such a way as not to harm yourself.

      Enter other markets and develop domestic ones. When there are many buyers, it will be possible to gradually reduce supplies to the USA, or sell for rubles, yuan, euros...
    74. 0
      5 November 2017 14: 26
      China has raised the issue head on and is producing iPhones and iPads itself. Can we do this?
      Namely: Produce finished products for foreign “partners”.
      1. 0
        5 November 2017 16: 40
        By the way, these iPhones and iPads are needed for 100 rubles, there is the concept of a pocket computer, a tablet computer, and there are many manufacturers, buy from anyone.
    75. 0
      5 November 2017 21: 16
      Why does the author repeat the same thing 7 (Seven) times in different formulations in the article?
    76. +1
      6 November 2017 21: 07
      VSMPO!!! When will you finally resume the production of forged car wheels for car enthusiasts (and pros, by the way...)... People would buy them up like hot cakes!!! This market segment has been lost. Are you getting greedy, perhaps, from profits, from government orders???
    77. 0
      6 November 2017 22: 04
      instead of "depriving" America titanium, would have deprived it better of tourists. and other travelers, like just as people weren’t allowed into Turkey, don’t let our people, especially the deputies, go there! and if some businessmen need business, then let them come to us themselves, or communicate on Skype
    78. 0
      14 November 2017 13: 15
      Kazza, that there will be no SLR from us due to US sanctions, although this was so fervently stated. Well, let's ban titanium from being sold to the USA, but our workers who produce it will put their teeth on the shelf. We need to build our economy in such a way that we don’t even feel like we’ve stopped selling titanium to the United States.
    79. 0
      15 November 2017 15: 09
      "revenue in 2009 amounted to 26 billion rubles, and in 2015 - almost 79 billion rubles. In 2015, compared to 2014, exports increased by 5,9%. But in both 2014 and 2015 - years of sanctions!” - You read and think, why do the workers of the plant earn 500 - 700 dollars?
    80. 0
      16 November 2017 20: 00
      The best answer is the development of engine-turbine construction, aircraft construction in the civilian sector, and a move away from the petrodollar in trade (maybe cryptocurrency will help), the production of processors at a higher fundamental level (there are developments) and technological progress in agriculture, everything is fine in the defense industry. Then “we’ll see.”...
    81. 0
      17 November 2017 00: 47
      ".. and therefore “we cannot cut off the necessary contacts.” That’s when Mr. Klimov starts cutting off your eggs before the “necessary contacts” will happen.
    82. 0
      20 November 2017 22: 57
      Russian industry is capable of fully using
      titanium. Consumers: aviation industry, shipbuilding,
      eternal pipelines and much more. And we work for someone else’s uncle Sevastopol.
    83. 0
      7 December 2017 08: 13
      We need to develop our aircraft and rocket science and then there will be no questions about what to do with the products
    84. 0
      7 December 2017 15: 49
      America also has South Africa and Africa where there is a lot of titanium. But they have money and our titanium is not endless. By draining our resources, they make us weaker and more accommodating. They have a printing press.
    85. +1
      7 December 2017 19: 01
      Stopgap measure??? Disposable???
      Apart from the loss of excess profits of the company's management, nothing bad will happen.
      Nowadays, defense industry enterprises receive ordered products in 150 - 180 days, if there are no defects.... So what are we talking about?
      Cut off supplies, look, and our Defense Industry will start working faster...


      Quote: Sargas
      This topic has long been voiced, but for some reason the "popular masses" do not want to remember it.
      Titanium and RD-180 are bought from us not because they cannot produce it themselves, but because it is more profitable with us.
      We solder the embargo on titanium - in a year we will build our plants (and China - in six months). We solder the embargo on rocket engines - after six months we will increase the production of our own (they are worse and more expensive, but they are) engines.
      But Russia will not be able to return to the market before American and European plants are bombed.
      The embargo on titanium and RD-180 is not fatal, but only a painful, temporary measure, and completely disposable, applicable only when the first guns have already fired, and the first missiles have already taken off.
    86. 0
      7 December 2017 19: 05
      Quote: radikool
      "revenue in 2009 amounted to 26 billion rubles, and in 2015 - almost 79 billion rubles. In 2015, compared to 2014, exports increased by 5,9%. But in both 2014 and 2015 - years of sanctions!” - You read and think, why do the workers of the plant earn 500 - 700 dollars?


      And look who owns the majority stake...
    87. 0
      7 December 2017 19: 42
      Read
      http://pravdaurfo.ru/articles/139014-vsmpo-avisma
      -lishila-sotrudnikov-9-billiardov-v


      Quote: reader
      Quote: radikool
      "revenue in 2009 amounted to 26 billion rubles, and in 2015 - almost 79 billion rubles. In 2015, compared to 2014, exports increased by 5,9%. But in both 2014 and 2015 - years of sanctions!” - You read and think, why do the workers of the plant earn 500 - 700 dollars?


      And look who owns the majority stake...
    88. 0
      12 December 2017 01: 49
      A response is NECESSARY! In my opinion, it would be better if our Country refused to recognize American patents, as the states once did in relation to the Union! It would also be good to take measures to punish the states through Europe ---- this would be ideal, because America forced 70% of Europe to impose sanctions against us, such Our sanctions have the prospect of further strengthening. economy cooperation with Europe and SEPARATION of Europe from America in many areas!
    89. 0
      12 December 2017 12: 01
      I especially like the use of the concept “mutually beneficial” in relations with the United States.
      At least someone would reveal what an ordinary citizen gets from this mutual benefit. Working, retired. Just don't talk about employment and taxes. What do citizens receive from net profit? Everything else is a quitrent, obligatory, but the net profit remains in the hands of the owners. If it is a completely private enterprise, then the benefit from such production is only in the consumption of goods within Russia. Are we eating titanium? And every day? Or our planes are “baked” like pies, although they immediately fly off to the same place, for currency. And so on in a circle.
      So don't be fooled by it. Undoubtedly, it is more profitable and convenient to receive kickbacks in foreign currency without bringing them to Russia.
    90. 0
      14 December 2017 11: 10
      We must go a different way. Do not break existing and beneficial agreements for us, but under the pretext of our retaliatory sanctions, conclude as many new agreements as possible with countries under US sanctions, including North Korea. And henceforth, never support US initiatives on sanctions against anyone at the UN.
    91. 0
      April 29 2018 00: 55
      I read and read all these “invest, develop, raise, build”... Guys, what are you doing? Under the current authorities?

    "Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned)

    “Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"