Saeima: I did not live in Latvia until 1940 is not a veteran!

In the Latvian Parliament, the debate over who will be given the status of a war veteran (the speech about the Second World War) has almost ended. The Seimas Commission approved a new statute providing for the assignment of such status. The bill states that officially veterans in Latvia recognize both those who fought on the side (as a part) of the Red Army, and those who fought on the side (as a part) of the troops of Hitler's Germany.

It is reported that the status of veterans of the Second World War will actually be deprived (under Latvian law) of those residents of the republic who were not citizens or permanent residents of Latvia before 1940.

Thus, the bill automatically excludes virtually all non-citizens from the status of veterans.

Radio station Baltkom cites the statement of the chairman of the opposition party "Consent" who voted against the bill. The name of parliamentarian is Boris Tsilevich.

From the statement of the Latvian politician:

The commission approved the bill in the second reading, certain changes are still possible. The main problem is that those people who have the status of a non-citizen or citizenship of another state do not fall under this bill. There is no exact calculation of how many people can claim this status. Those calculations that are there are unreliable - because war veterans are in their old age and they are getting smaller every year. When the law comes into force, it will not apply to anyone. In addition, no financial payments or benefits of the assignment of veteran status does not provide. Therefore, our party believes that this is a political decision.

In the commission of the Sejm decided to all those who fall under the action of the new legislative act, to issue badges and certificates.

Comments

[The black]

SS critters won't even be allowed to die quietly by a Soviet veteran .... but who cares. Not the Jews spread rot ....

[Bourbon]

What they sowed in the 90s is reaping ...... they said nothing or supported the separation of these under-countries - now the punishment ((

[Mikhail Zubkov]

The next denazification in the Baltic states should be deeper, wider and longer. But her plan should also include the selection of rehabilitation facilities for the residential sector and road construction in the Kolyma or north. Windows of exit to the West, encouraging the Baltic-Nazis, should be planned to close tightly.

[sharp-lad]

And why the hell do you need it? Are there any problems? Simple populism is oblivious, the attempts of insignificants to somehow distinguish themselves.

[210ox]

Isn’t it time for us to solve something legislatively .. For example, on the ban on the transit of our goods to the Baltic ports ..

[Berber]

You probably do not know? In fact, it is being decided, not yet by law, but the effect is the same.

[LSA57]

Quote: 210ox

Isn’t it time for us to solve something legislatively .. For example, on the ban on the transit of our goods to the Baltic ports ..

why bother paper? he is already practically reduced to zero. they already began to howl

[Herculesic]

When will the Russian authorities finally remember in reality the many hundreds of thousands of our fellow citizens who do not live in extinctions, and begin to help them, take care of their human rights? ???

[insular]

Quote: Herkulesich

When will the Russian authorities finally remember in fact many hundreds of thousands of our fellow citizens who do not live in extinctions, and begin to help them

In Russia, the "program for the return of compatriots." All who do not want - they do not need.

Quote: Herkulesich

to care about their human rights? ???

In Russia itself, there is not a small stratum of citizens who need no less, why on earth help those who live outside of Russia? They have one right - to return.

If you make a choice, between conducting a medical operation to a needy citizen of the Russian Federation and helping a non-citizen of the same Estonia, whose rights were infringed, then personally, without any remorse, he would choose the first option. About the same way I would choose using large families, etc. on the list, continuing dilapidated housing and stuff stuff stuff.

[Mikhail Zubkov]

There are many former Soviet retired officers who deliberately chose the Baltic Nazi oppression through the "window to Europe", which in reality seduced many "members of the CPSU" and "Komsomol members in uniform" - with prospects for posterity. Moreover, they shuttle through relatives in the Russian Federation, some even have housing and possible social security in Russia. In short, they got along well, including by buying up apartments for cheap colleagues who left for Russia even in the status of "non-citizens." Isn’t it time for us to take into account this “cunning veteran category”? Baltonatsiki definitely took it into account.

[sharp-lad]

When did the program start? And one more question: is it so easy to break away from the place where I settled down and it’s not bad at all, and the devil knows where to leave with vague prospects of employment (I now have a salary of about 1100 euros) and the purchase of housing (an apartment in a Stalin-era building 86,3 square on credit, paid almost half)? And this is not to mention the absence of relatives and friends.

[insular]

Quote: sharp-lad

When did the program start?

Since 2006 i.e. for over 11 years now.

Quote: sharp-lad

is it so easy to break from the place where he settled down and at the same time is not very badand leave God knows where with vague job prospects

Well, first of all, the devil knows where, but to his homeland, where you will not be listed as non-citizens and where your rights to the Russian language will not be disputed.
And secondly, inside the country people move and move when necessary, without any support from the state, and here there are lifting and payments, and even compensation for moving, and in addition to this, you immediately get the right to provide services in the field of education, health , social services and employment similarly to citizens of the Russian Federation ...
Thirdly, if you are so valuable to your homeland that you are not able to find a job within six months, then what the hell do you need? Stay where you are.
And if you work quite well, then sit and thank the state that provided you with this very "very good".

Quote: sharp-lad

And this is not to mention the absence of relatives and friends.

I repeat, all those who do not want to - do not need them.

[sharp-lad]

So I don’t cry about moving, when I wanted, in the mid-nineties, there were no opportunities, and then life got better, citizenship was by right of blood (how much of that blood is an interesting question in percentage terms, but still there), kill I don’t understand those who vote for the nation, regardless of nationality, among my family and friends there are none. The state didn’t really care about my prosperity, but it didn’t interfere either with praising or scolding. I will be grateful if in the next two or three years the Russians don’t bring us white-hot, the Nazis in power began to pester even me, who prefers to drink a glass of vodka for health with his opponent instead of massacre!
So, some of those who didn’t want to just went out of their way at a bad time .... Yes, and I became Latvian Russian and I do not always understand you, Russian Russians.

[insular]

I want to remind you that the conversation did not begin about those who successfully live, but about those who have difficulty living and who are directly plagued by "terrible belligerent Nazis."
I will refresh the memory:

Quote: Herkulesich

When did the Russian authorities finally in practice remember many hundreds of thousands of our fellow citizens who do not live in extinctions, and begin to help them, take care of their human rights? ???

Quote: sharp-lad

The state didn’t really care about my wealth, but it didn’t interfere

This is an indicator that your rights are not violated.

Quote: sharp-lad

I will thank if in the coming years two three do not bring us Russians to white heat

You know who you live with and have chosen it voluntarily, and now you have another chance to return, and not to run away. If you understand the difference between one and the other.

[sharp-lad]

that the conversation began not about those who live successfully, but about those who have difficulty living and who are directly plagued by "terrible baltofascists fierce."
Almost all the inhabitants of Latvia live more or less successfully despite their nationality. Mostly, pensioners who retired ten or more years ago hardly exist (changing the model of pension provision was painful and, to be honest, unfair), and again, all nationalities are almost on an equal footing! Living in Latvia for 30-40-50 years and not learning Latvian at least at the conversational level? I own it just at that very conversational level and learned by the principle: Why am I worse than a Latvian speaking Russian without problems? Moreover, there are very few differences between Russian and Latvian, you can simply translate word for word and it will be clear. You have the same people, homeless people in Russia, and we in Latvia have driven them too. Well, such city people as Osipov (met personally) with the team, by ruin analogy, you yourself are very unflattering to characterize.
And as a result, you are right, I know with whom I live in my state. Basically, these are calm, friendly people, again, regardless of nationality.
P.S. I won’t run away anymore, but I’m sure to fight! And yet, I really want to go to Russia on a visit, somehow I will get together and go with my Latvian wife, let me make sure personally that there is no need to be afraid of either Russians or Russia.

[LSA57]

Quote: Herkulesich

and begin to help them, take care of their human rights? ???

but don’t tell me: send protest notes? or immediately send tanks there? the whole geyropa sees, knows and is silent. but water wears away the stone. soon flashing of these "democrats" is planned in the European Parliament

[Gray brother]

Quote: Herkulesich

When will the Russian authorities finally remember in reality the many hundreds of thousands of our fellow citizens who do not live in extinctions, and begin to help them, take care of their human rights? ???

Veterans receive a Russian pension, as far as I know.

[sharp-lad]

We, in principle, do not need help, but international support and reminders about the discrepancy between the real situation and European values, which those in power like to talk about in Latvia.

[Gray brother]

Quote: sharp-lad

and support and reminders in the international arena about the inconsistency of the real situation with European values

There is no one to remind - everything is up to date. Apparently, the other EU members are happy with everything, they are lured into this matter sometimes, but not much.

[Uncle lee]

(as part of) the Red Army, and those who fought on the side (as part of) the troops of Nazi Germany.

Have you forgotten about the forest brothers? Not fair !

issue badges and certificates

Type: Fought in the SS troops!

[LSA57]

Quote: Uncle Lee

Have you forgotten about the forest brothers? Not fair !

wording is not picked up in any way. who confirms in will show in which cron he sat. and who was active, has long been talking with the devil

[Lex.]

The king bought these lands from the Swedes in silver a few tens of tons

[Herculesic]

So they need to slip the merchants under their nose, and return the land back to Russia!

[Orionvit]

So they need to slip the merchants under their nose, and return the land back to Russia!

So what? They stick out from behind the owners, and say: "For a long time, we know nothing." Yes, and then there were no Latvians and other current Baltic bor.z.ot, the first mention of which appeared only closer to the middle of the 19th century. And earlier, however, as now, correctly, in Russian, they were all called Chukhons.

[LSA57]

Quote: Orionvit

And earlier, however, as now, correctly, in Russian, they were all called Chukhons.

"On the shore of desert waves
He stood, the thoughts of the great are full,
And looked into the distance. Before him is wide
The river rushed; poor shuttle
Aspired to her lonely.
On mossy, muddy shores
Blackened huts here and there,
Shelter of the poor chuhontsa;
And the forest, unknown to the rays
In the fog of the hidden sun,
Around rustled.

And he thought:
From here we will face a Swede
Here the city will be laid
To evil arrogant neighbor. "
AS Pushkin

[sharp-lad]

Pushkin wrote about the city on the Neva, called Petersburg. It is located somewhat northeast of Estonia.

[Ushly_bashkort]

Equalize the Red Army and the fascist ... Another bottom is broken. It was impossible to walk around the streets once the teachings of all the combat arms were around the Baltic states, because of the smell of charred trousers.

[sharp-lad]

In reality, only those who are offended by the mind are afraid of your teachings, I will not list them - they themselves constantly shine. At the expense of former legionnaires, most of the living do not boast of their past, they didn’t get into the legion of their own free will, they simply didn’t take it, others took it. In many ways, a sad story full of tragedies. My grandfather’s (Latvian) brother just fell into the legion, lost his leg and there was a choice: either he’s coming, the older brother, or they will take the younger one (my grandfather), and they will just shoot him when he is caught. The second grandfather (Russian) fought in the ranks of the Red Army as an anti-tank gunner, miraculously survived on the Kursk Bulge. Here is a story within the same family.

[Ushly_bashkort]

Quote: sharp-lad

In reality, only those who are offended by the mind are afraid of your teachings, I will not list them - they themselves constantly shine.

About them and speech, I do not speak for normal people.

Quote: sharp-lad

At the expense of former legionnaires, most of the living do not boast of their past, they didn’t get into the legion of their own free will, they simply didn’t take it, others took it.

There is always a choice. Remember the story about a German who stood in line with the shooting ones?

[Basil50]

By law, all these * veterans * of the Nazis are war criminals without statute of limitations. They were forgiven and pardoned. Here they are from impunity and irresponsibility and insolent.
While in RUSSIA they consider income more important than memory, in the neighboring countries the RUSSIAN genocide will be * valor *. There and in Kyrgyzstan, the RUSSIAN genocide is going to be erected on a public holiday.

[stolz]

In, damn it, just the same, some fanatics! Well, what to take from them if the country does not have its own history? So they cling to everyone, they want to be something of themselves. I am especially touched by their holiday - Lachplesh Day, a fairy-tale hero, like our bun.

[Moore]

In fact, even the order with as many as four degrees is named after Lachpleysis (a miracle of Judah, born from the cohabitation of a bear with a hermit).
Well, it’s as if the Order of Kashchei the Immortal was introduced in Russia.
As far as the law is concerned, they are keeping the Natsik - it’s shallow mischief to Russia and the Russians as a whole. At the same time, these stinkers are sincerely perplexed why the Russian Federation stops the traffic of goods through the Baltic ports.

[sharp-lad]

Look at the Latvian Nazis, who have mostly never seen war! At the expense of worsening trade relations, they are well aware of what! But the owners and personal ambition do not allow to recognize the reasons.

[sharp-lad]

Like your Ilya Muromets, also a fighter for national happiness.

[Moore]

No, not like.
You can take a look at the relics of St. Ilya of Muromets in the Kiev Pechersk Lavra, the bear ears of Lachpleysis - perhaps only in the epic compiled by the headquarters captain of the Russian Imperial Army Andrei Pumpur. Well, back at the former fountain in Maiori.
By the way, neither in the Republic of Ingushetia, nor in the USSR, nor in the Russian Federation did it occur to anyone to name the order by the name of IM, because there is a story of its own.

[Sergey53]

He did not serve in the SS, then, probably, he was not a Latvian either.

[1 Navigator]

Inferior veterans idiocy.

[rpuropuu]

those residents of the republic who until 1940 were not citizens or permanent residents of Latvia.

Equality A question for filling ... A child who was 1 year old, is a war veteran? Or should a veteran at the beginning of the war be at least 15-16 years old?

[Eurodav]

Inhumans ... it will turn out to be complete for you .... !!!

[Livonetc]

They are already turning around.
An able-bodied population in the Baltic states remains miserable.
And those who stayed mostly Russians.
That rage from powerlessness.

[Thunderbolt]

He did not serve in the SS, not a veteran. Bravo!

[sharp-lad]

What to take with .... s?

[Wolka]

and these "fellows" from which slots poked, tea in childhood isho began to atrocity