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The USA until the very last moment waited for the Japanese to attack the Russians

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Washington was convinced that if Japan started a war, it was not against the United States. Nothing could shake the American leadership: Japan’s attack on Russia is absolutely guaranteed. Hence the mystery of the Day of Shame, December 7 1941 of the year. The miscalculation of the Americans and the British was that they underestimated the Japanese, their analytical skills. The Japanese saw that they want to use them, and that Moscow in the Far East is ready to fight back, and Britain and the United States and its allies will not be able to organize a strong resistance at the initial stage, which they can use to capture a number of territories, and then on this basis it will be possible to bargain about the future of the world.


October 18 The 1941 of Japan officially announced the creation of the Tojo government. The emperor's farewell was unprecedented: Tojo was told that the new government was not bound by any previous decisions. Tojo's coming to power meant that Japan was ready for war.

On October 16, 1941, on the front page of the New York Times, a message came out from Tokyo about the public appearance of the chief of Japanese naval intelligence, Captain Hideo Hirada. The United States and Japan, he said, “have come to the point when their paths diverge ... America, feeling insecure in the current situation, is carrying out a huge expansion fleet. However, America cannot simultaneously conduct operations in the Atlantic and Pacific oceans. The imperial fleet is ready for the worst and has completed all necessary preparations. Moreover, the imperial fleet is burning with a desire to act if it proves necessary. ”

However, Washington was still convinced that if Japan started a war, it was not against the United States. Under this belief urged all incoming facts and news. So, Roosevelt, telling Churchill about the consequences of the new government coming to power in Japan, noted that the situation with the Japanese had definitely worsened, “and i think they are heading northbut because of this, you and I have a two-month respite in the Far East. ”

In the same vein, the Starck directive was sent to the Pacific Fleet Commander Kimmel 16 of October: “The resignation of the Japanese cabinet created a serious situation. If a new government is formed, it will appear to be highly nationalistic and anti-American. If Konoe’s office remains in power, he will act with a different mandate, not involving rapprochement with the United States. In any case, the war between Japan and Russia is most possible. Since Japan considers the United States and Britain to be responsible for its current desperate situation, there is a possibility that Japan might attack these two powers. ” Thus, in the United States, as before, they believed that a new Russian-Japanese war was most possible. Although they realized that in the Japanese leadership the nationalist and anti-American party prevailed, that is, the likelihood of an attack on both England and the United States.

The British held a similar position. London also believed that Japan would attack Russia in the near future. However, considering this perspective from the point of view of the interests of Britain, in London it was considered unreasonable to allow the Axis powers to beat their opponents separately. The British government wanted to know what the United States would do when Japan attacks the Soviet Union. American calculations were based on the fact that the government is formed by General Hideki Tojo. He was closely associated with the Kwantung Army, which was preparing to fight with the Russians, and was viewed in Washington as a supporter of further rapprochement with Germany. Similar views held in London. The leadership of British intelligence in the Far East reported: “The new prime minister is fully pro-German. It is believed that the Japanese will rush to Vladivostok and Primorye as soon as the inevitable collapse of the Soviet resistance appears ... So far the Russians are stronger in Siberia, despite the possible withdrawal of troops from there, but Primorye and Vladivostok can be captured by the Japanese. " Nothing could shake the American leadership - Japan’s attack on Russia is absolutely guaranteed.

Hence the riddle of the Day of Shame - December 7 1941. The miscalculation of the Americans and the British was that they underestimated the Japanese (as "inferior race"), their analytical skills. Both Tojo and the new foreign minister, Shigenori Togo (former ambassador in Moscow), understood the military and economic power of the Soviet Union perfectly. The Japanese leadership decided that aggression to the south would be easier. The forces of Britain are tied with war in Europe, the attention of the United States is also directed at the situation in the European theater, which facilitated the actions of the Japanese armed forces in the first stage. So in the end what happened.

The USA until the very last moment waited for the Japanese to attack the Russians

A group shot of the United Fleet Command (the main long-range forces of the Imperial Japanese Navy), taken during the last meeting before the attack on Pearl Harbor. In the middle of the first row sits the commander-in-chief of the fleet, Admiral Isoroku Yamomoto

Group photograph of Nakajima B5N ("Kate") crews on the deck of the aircraft carrier "Kaga" a day before the Pearl Harbor raid

Japanese fighter A6M "Zero" before departure to attack the American base at Pearl Harbor on the deck of the aircraft carrier "Akagi". Photo taken a few minutes before departure.

The top military and political leadership of the United States and Japan made the most important decisions on the same day - November 5, 1941. Washington understood that the decisive steps of Japan are not far off. It was necessary to determine in advance their line of conduct. On November 5, the command of the US military presented detailed recommendations to the president. Higher military leaders reiterated that the main adversary is Germany, and in the war with Japan one should adhere to strategic defense, since the strategic offensive in the Pacific Ocean will absorb the enormous resources necessary for operations in Europe. Fights with Japan should be avoided until the United States has accumulated sufficient military forces in the Pacific.

If Japan in the near future takes the path of armed aggression, then military action against Japan should be undertaken under one or several scenarios: 1) Japan’s aggression against the territory or mandated territory of the United States, the British Commonwealth or the Dutch India; 2) the advance of the Japanese to Thailand, west of 100 east longitude, or south of 10 north latitude, or the invasion of Portuguese Timor, New Caledonia or the Partnership Islands; 3) if the war with Japan cannot be avoided, then a defensive strategy should be followed in order to hold territories and weaken Japanese military and economic power; 4) given the global strategy, the Japanese advance against Kunming, in Thailand, or "The attack on Russia does not justify the intervention of the United States against Japan." Proceeding from all this, the American military believed that relations with Japan should not lead to a rupture. It was recommended that no ultimatums of Tokyo be presented so as not to anger the Japanese. F. Roosevelt agreed with these conclusions.

While in the United States they made plans in anticipation of attacking others and decided in advance not to help the USSR, in Japan they already made accurate calculations of a strike to the south and the United States. The coordinating committee almost never interrupted the meetings. October 23 agreed that there was no other way than war. However, the US military potential is 7-8 times Japanese. Therefore, "there is no way to completely prevail over the United States in the event of war with them" (that is, the Japanese reasonably assessed their potential). Conclusion: it is necessary to conduct a transient campaign with limited goals. 5 November in Tokyo held a decisive meeting of the Privy Council at the emperor. The participants decided that negotiations with the Americans should be continued for the time being and hand Washington two variants of Tokyo’s proposals, conditionally named Plan A and Plan B. If the US government does not accept one of these plans before November 25, then the war.

Plan A provided for: The Japanese Empire agrees with the principle of non-discrimination in international trade in the Pacific and in China, if this principle is recognized in the rest of the world; as for the Tripartite Pact, the Japanese are ready not to expand the sphere of “self-defense” and wish to avoid the spread of the European war in the Pacific; after the conclusion of peace between Japan and China, Japanese troops will remain for 25 years in northern China, on the border of Mongolia and on Hainan Island. If the US rejects Plan A, then it was planned to deliver Plan B, which was in the nature of modus vivendi (a temporary agreement, when under the existing conditions it is impossible to reach a full agreement). Japan pledged to refrain from further expansion in exchange for easing US trade restrictions with it.

The Japanese government agreed with the indicative military indicative day for the start of the war - December 8 (Tokyo time). The deployment of the armed forces began in anticipation of a war with the United States, England and Holland to be ready to start a war. The deployment of the armed forces and diplomatic negotiations now proceeded in parallel. A key figure in the negotiations with the United States became Admiral Nomura. When the Konoe government changed, Nomura asked for resignation. He explained that he did not believe in the possibility of reaching an agreement and did not want to continue "this hypocritical existence, deceiving other people." From Tokyo they said: the new government sincerely wishes to regulate relations with America. Nomura remained at his post. An assistant was sent to him - Kurusu - an old friend of Nomura, a former Japanese ambassador to Berlin who signed the Tripartite Pact. The Japanese ambassadors continued negotiations, unaware of the true intentions of their government. Nomura and Kurusu sincerely hoped to find mutual understanding with the Americans.

American intelligence intercepted and deciphered all of Tokyo's correspondence with the Japanese embassy in Washington. Therefore, Roosevelt and Hell knew the content of the two plans and the deadline for negotiations with the United States - November 25. On this day, the Japanese fleet went out to attack Hawaii. But, apparently, the White House did not know why the success or failure of the negotiations in Tokyo was associated with the exact day indicated.


Japanese fighters A6M2 "Zero" from the composition of the second wave of air strikes on the American base Pearl Harbor take off from the deck of the aircraft carrier "Akagi"

California sinking battleship at Pearl Harbor 7 December 1941 of the year after hitting two torpedoes and two bombs

7 November Nomura presented the plan A. On November 10 the Japanese ambassador was received by the president. When meeting with the Japanese ambassador, Roosevelt limited himself to a lecture on the virtues of the world, the need to promote the prosperity of mankind, and so on. Common words. It is clear that the Japanese could not be satisfied with this answer. Minister Togo was furious and telegraphed to Nomura that the November 25 date was "absolutely impossible to change." The telegram was decrypted and reported to Roosevelt and Hella. On November 9, Halum reported to Nomura that the Japanese proposals for international trade and the Tripartite Pact were unacceptable. Plan A was rejected.

Meanwhile, the tension in Japan was growing. November 17 opened the 77-I emergency session of the Japanese parliament. In the lower house, on behalf of the League of Assistance to the throne, deputy Toshio Simada took the floor. He urged the government to "stop grazing on the road," because "the nation is burned by fire." The United States and England do not cease mocking Japan, but, Shimada reminded, even a Buddha should not be laughed more than three times, generally two times - maximum for a saint. He said: "A cancerous tumor in the Pacific Ocean nests in the minds of arrogant American leaders who seek world domination." A Japanese politician said that a “big knife” is needed to fight cancer. He introduced a resolution that said: "It is completely obvious that the main cause of the current conflict between the Axis and the British, American and Soviet peoples is the insatiable desire of the United States for world domination ...". In this Shimada was absolutely right.

17 November Kurusu flew to Washington and, together with Nomura, met with the US President and the Secretary of State. New negotiations that went on for three days did not lead to a positive result. Roosevelt again raised the question of the withdrawal of Japanese troops from China. This was absolutely unacceptable for Japan, since it destroyed all their political and military successes over a long period of time. Also, Roosevelt, as usual, read exalted sermons that covered the predatory interests of the United States. It became clear that the two powers would not reach an understanding.

On November 20, Nomura and Kurusu presented Hull with a somewhat relaxed Plan B: both governments pledge not to advance their forces in any areas of South-East Asia and the South Pacific, with the exception of Indochina, where Japanese forces are already located; Japan and the United States will cooperate in order to obtain the necessary raw materials from Dutch India; Japan and the United States pledge to restore trade relations, and the United States will supply the necessary amount of oil to Japan; The United States pledges to refrain from taking such measures that would prevent the establishment of peace between Japan and China. Tokyo hoped that the United States would go to modus vivendi. Hull promised the ambassadors to "consider favorably" the Japanese proposals. This encouraged Togo, and he achieved a slight respite from Tokyo, until November 29. This became immediately known in Washington.

From the American response depended to be or not to be a war in the Pacific. If Washington was keen to delay the war with Japan, then the United States should have gone for modus vivendi. The military considered it reasonable that such a position - to delay the start of the war, so that the main task in Europe could be solved. On November 22, the State Department prepared a US draft modus vivendi for a period of 90 days. Its difference from the Japanese plan B was mainly that the Americans demanded the immediate withdrawal of Japanese troops from South Indochina, and in the northern part there should be no more than 25 thousand Japanese soldiers. The rest of the American conditions generally coincided with the Japanese.

November 25 held a meeting of Hull, Stimson and Knox. The participants agreed that it was necessary to transfer American offers to Japan. Then all three arrived at the White House, where a new meeting with the president was held with the participation of Marshall and Stark. There is practically no information about him. Only the entry in the diary of War Minister Henry Stimson: “... we are likely to be attacked, perhaps no later than next Monday (November November 30), because the Japanese are known to attack without warning. What should we do? The problem boils down to how we can maneuver, so that Japan takes the first shot, and at the same time not allow much danger to ourselves. This is a difficult task. ” The meeting said that Japan could go in the direction of the South Seas, but the American possessions would not be attacked. Nevertheless, they decided to pass on to the Japanese ambassadors American proposals on modus vivendi. The military was satisfied with this decision. They received a temporary head start for training in the Pacific. With such an impression, the American security forces, both Ministers - Stimson and Knox and commanders-in-chiefs of the army and navy - Marshall and Stark left the White House.


An explosion of ammunition on the destroyer "Show" (USS Shaw) during the attack of Pearl Harbor. The explosion occurred in 9.30 as a result of a fire caused by the hit of three Japanese air bombs. The destroyer was badly damaged, but later it was repaired and re-commissioned.

However, the day after the meeting with the military, the president and the secretary of state made a decision that was the opposite of what had been previously agreed with the military leaders. Intelligence data on the movement of Japanese ships to the south of Formosa (Taiwan) was received, which apparently followed Indochina. This angered Roosevelt: the Japanese are negotiating a full truce and immediately send an expedition to Indochina. The president decided to teach the Japanese a lesson. He summoned Hull and instructed him to take a firm tone at the negotiations. The modus vivendi project has been dropped. The State Department prepared the so-called. "The program of ten points." The Americans offered to Japan to conclude a multilateral non-aggression pact in the Far East; sign a collective agreement on the integrity of Indochina; withdraw all troops from China; both governments will enter into negotiations on a trade agreement, etc.

As a result, The United States offered Japan to restore, by its free will, the position that existed before September 1931, that is, before the start of the Japanese seizures in China. To abandon all the seizures and acquisitions in China, which for Tokyo was the main condition for a possible agreement with the United States. And the conquest of Manchuria and other areas of China cost Japan considerable blood and sweat. Manchuria became the second military-industrial base of the Japanese Empire. Her loss meant an economic catastrophe for the empire.

In the evening of November 26, Hell presented the document to Nomura and Kurusu. In fact, it was an ultimatum. However, at the same time, the Americans left the Japanese a “window of opportunity” - Washington did not offer Japan to immediately get out of China under the masked threat of war or tough economic sanctions. The Americans showed Japan that it was attracting aggression to it in a southerly direction, but did not close the door to a compromise if Tokyo thought again and abandoned the idea of ​​moving south. That is, the hope that Japan is attacking Russia, was still. US naval intelligence, for example, reported to the government on December 1: “Relations between Japan and Russia remain tense. On November 25, Japan, along with Germany and other Axis powers, extended the Anti-Comintern Pact for five years. Hella’s program should not provoke Japan into a war against the USA, but, on the contrary, discourage her from moving towards the South Seas. Japan showed that the way there is closed and will entail war.

Japanese statesmen turned out to be more direct people; they did not grasp such a sophisticated cunning of American diplomacy. Dispatch Nomura with the text of the response of Hull came during a meeting of the Coordinating Committee. Tojo read the paper. Silence was interrupted by someone shouting: “This is an ultimatum!” The American response put an end to the last hesitations in Tokyo. Events began to "develop automatically."

In this way, until the very last moment, the masters of Washington tried to induce Tokyo to direct aggression to the north - against the Soviet Union. As researcher N. Yakovlev noted: “The facts indisputably say that the American answer, or ultimatum, from November 26 was a“ big cudgel ”with which the United States sometimes achieved its goals. At the end of 1941, they wanted to push Japan against the Soviet Union, and to stand by themselves. If you do not accept this thesis, you should agree either with political speculators in the United States who accuse F. Roosevelt of deliberately setting up the Pacific Fleet as a bait for Japan to get a reason to involve the American people in the war, or to suspect an epidemic of mass madness in Washington: Knowing about the approaching war, they took no precautions there. But the leaders of the foreign policy of the United States were in their right mind and memory. ”

Washington firmly believed that Japan’s attack on Russia would follow when the martial law of the Soviet Union deteriorated sharply. At the end of November 1941, the perfect moment arrived (the first was in the summer of 1941), according to American leaders, to strike at the USSR. German and Finnish troops besieged Leningrad, the Wehrmacht broke through to the near approaches to Moscow, reached the Don in the south, and from Japan there were reports of the enormous strengthening of the Kwantung Army aimed at the Soviet Far East. The deployment of the Japanese army and air forces showed Japan's preparation for war with the USSR. Of the 51 divisions that the Japanese empire had in November 1941, the 21 division was in China, the 13 division was in Manchuria, the 7 divisions were in the metropolis, and only the 11 divisions could be used in other areas. From 5, 3 air fleets were located on the mainland and on the Japanese islands, and only 2 were free. It was hard to imagine that Japan would start a war against the United States and England, against which you can throw (as in fact it happened) only 11 divisions, that is, about 20% of the Japanese army.

Intelligence agencies and data deciphering reported that the Japanese armed forces are preparing for war in all areas. That is, Japan could attack any of the opponents - the USSR, the USA and England. However, the likelihood that Japan is attacking Russia in the first place was the highest. Japan was closest to Russia, which made it possible to use both the strategic base and the base of Japan itself, and Manchuria. The Japanese already had a combat-ready army in Manchuria. Japan held most of the fleet in the metropolis. Therefore, actions against Russia could be taken as quickly as possible. In late November - early December 1941, the command of the American fleet believed that the main Japanese aircraft carriers were in the waters of the Japanese metropolis, and it was calm. The Americans believed that the Japanese were about to strike at the Russians.

Thus, the owners of the United States until the last moment pushed Japan to the north and waited for the Japanese to attack the Russians. The blessing of the moment was the most favorable - the Russians were bleeding to restrain the enemy and the walls of Leningrad and Moscow. The miscalculation of the Americans was that they underestimated the Japanese. The Japanese military-political leadership realized that they wanted to pave the way for the United States to win. Destroy Russia with the help of the Germans and the Japanese. Use the Japanese as "cannon fodder". The Japanese knew the power of the Russians well, and did not want the Americans to use them in their game. Having bitten the game of the cunning and cunning enemy, they acted in their own way. 7 December 1941 attacked Pearl Harbor, hoping to temporarily turn off the enemy with a swift attack, seize the territories needed by the Japanese Empire and then reach an agreement. Japan presented a good lesson to the overdue US owners who thought that they had everything under control.


American battleships after the Japanese attack of Pearl Harbor. In the foreground - the Oklahoma battleship (USS Oklahoma (BB-37)) that turned over due to the hitting of nine Japanese torpedoes, followed by the Maryland (USS Maryland (BB-46), which was moored near the Oklahoma), on the right is burning West Virginia (USS West Virginia (BB-48). Photo source: http://waralbum.ru/

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  1. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 27 October 2017 06: 02 New
    +4
    It’s necessary to repeat! But Japan is not the same today. Moreover, the United States has taken into account their eastern cunning, and keeps it on a collar.
    1. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 27 October 2017 13: 10 New
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      Before discussing the article - I propose to get acquainted with more complete data on the investigation of the attack on Pearl Harbor - which were the aim of the investigation of historians and were reflected in the documentary of the History channel:

      "The Truth About Pearl Harbor" 1 episode / 2 episode / Pearl Harbor: The Truth (2016) is dedicated to investigating the causes of a surprise attack on the Navy
      https://rutube.ru/video/87217ae33e3abf68fa504e0ec
      2f4950c /? Ref = logo 1 episode
      https://rutube.ru/video/ed4529747cd4c41f370ebcff8
      d438ada /? ref = logo 2 episode

      There are some episodes in the film that were not published until 2016.
  2. 210ox
    210ox 27 October 2017 06: 33 New
    +4
    But I’m not surprised by this policy of freeloaders. It’s bad that we have always been trying to pacify aggressors and enemies.
  3. Olgovich
    Olgovich 27 October 2017 06: 41 New
    16
    Washington did not offer Japan to immediately leave China under the disguised threat of war or severe economic sanctions. The Americans showed Japan that it leads to aggression in a southerly direction, but did not close the door to compromise if Tokyo changed its mind and abandoned the idea of ​​moving south. That is, the hope that Japan will attack Russia was still
    Where is the logic?
    Why should the Japanese attack Primorye when they were given the ultimatum to leave China and thus lose their rear and bases? Less than 20 years ago, the United States already forced Japan to leave China and get out of the Russian Far East.
    Why is Japan a repeat?
    But Japan vitally needed the natural resources of South Indochina, Malaya, Dutch India, and the Philippines. She was interested in obtaining oil, tin and rubber. Malaya and Dutch India accounted for 78 percent of global rubber production and 67 percent of tin. In 1940, about 9 million tons of oil was produced here. Huge wealth!
    Therefore, the Japanese did not go to Primorye, but attacked the United States, which stood on the path to resources.
    1. tasha
      tasha 27 October 2017 07: 28 New
      +4
      I support. It is all about resources. In oil.
    2. Amurets
      Amurets 27 October 2017 07: 34 New
      +3
      Quote: Olgovich
      But Japan vitally needed the natural resources of South Indochina, Malaya, Dutch India, and the Philippines. She was interested in obtaining oil, tin and rubber. Malaya and Dutch India accounted for 78 percent of global rubber production and 67 percent of tin. In 1940, about 9 million tons of oil was produced here. Huge wealth!

      Here you are right, but besides this, non-ferrous metals are also needed: chrome, nickel, copper and a number of other non-ferrous metals, without which the production of weapons was not without. All this Japan imported from the mainland.
    3. avt
      avt 27 October 2017 10: 11 New
      +4
      Quote: Olgovich
      Where is the logic?

      In between the buttocks. Even if you don’t know anything and are not stupidly interested in the subject described in the article. So this is from the author
      As a result, the United States proposed that Japan restore, of its own free will, the situation that existed until September 1931, that is, before the Japanese takeover in China. Refuse all seizures and acquisitions in China, which for Tokyo was the main condition for a possible agreement with the United States. And the conquest of Manchuria and other areas of China cost Japan considerable blood and sweat. Manchuria became the second military industrial base of the Japanese Empire. Her loss meant an economic disaster for the empire.
      With the subsequent conclusion that as a result thereof
      Thus, the owners of Washington until the very last moment tried to induce Tokyo to direct aggression to the north - against the Soviet Union.
      Yes, and
      Thus, the owners of the United States until the last moment pushed Japan to the north and waited for the Japanese to attack the Russians.
      wassat Talks about signs of sluggish schizophrenia. But Roosevelt, or someone else, in accordance with the slogan of the article
      The USA until the very last moment waited for the Japanese to attack the Russians
      The question is not for the heading ,, History "
      Quote: Olgovich
      Therefore, the Japanese did not go to Primorye, but attacked the United States, which stood on the path to resources.

      And besides, it’s not easy
      Quote: Olgovich
      stood

      And the sanctions imposed specifically for the supply of the same oil were simply not even pushed - they DROWN!
    4. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 27 October 2017 14: 42 New
      +5
      Quote: Olgovich
      Why should the Japanese attack Primorye when they were given the ultimatum to leave China and thus lose their rear and bases? Less than 20 years ago, the United States already forced Japan to leave China and get out of the Russian Far East.

      You still ask why the United States with its own hands to strengthen its main opponent - the Axis? smile
      After all, Japan’s strike on the USSR could theoretically lead to the fact that the USSR could not stand the war on two fronts. And then the Soviet deposits located outside the range of the Allied aviation will fall into the hands of the Axis.
      A good gift for the Allies - nothing to say. Especially considering the fact that the United States is about to directly enter the world war.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 28 October 2017 09: 19 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexey RA
        A good gift for the Allies - nothing to say. Especially considering the fact that the United States is about to directly enter the world war.

        The US was not going to fight and did not want to. The Germans declared it, the Japanese attacked, only then they had nowhere to go ....
        1. reminin
          reminin 30 October 2017 10: 54 New
          +3
          The United States was not going to fight (in terms of population). Representatives of the US military-industrial complex were going to fight. They developed an operation with Japan to bring the United States into the war, removing in advance the latest US ships, leaving everything else under bombing. And then the paid media entered the case with a wave of patriotic articles.
          Failed to act as the "savior of Russia from Japan", and as a result developed their own operation. Fortunately, fools were found in Japan.
          Capture Japan the Far East - and the United States would not say hello in the long run !!!
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 30 October 2017 17: 37 New
          +2
          Quote: Olgovich
          The US was not going to fight and did not want to.

          Well, yes, yes ... and why didn’t they want to fight the USA, who were inthe largest anti-tank ditch"began in 1939 at a feverish pace to build up the army? Not only the fleet and air force, but the army. wink
          Over 2 years, the number of divisions increased by 20 times - from three inter-war ones to 60. The marines did not lag behind - the brigades were deployed in the division, in addition, MDBs were formed - mobile machine-gun and artillery battalions of marines for the operational creation of coastal defense and air defense advanced bases.
          And in parallel with this, the FDR, its administration and senior military officials did everything possible to provoke the Reich. Escort of British convoys; regular increase to the east of the zone of responsibility of the "Neutral Patrol" in the Atlantic (in this zone, US ships had the right to attack any submarine); the construction of warships for Britain, up to AB; the American forces occupied the territories of European countries that capitulated before the Reich. But the trouble is - the U-203 missed the mark on Texas, and even the FDR could blow out the fire of war from the only sunken EM.
          The problem was that the FDR could not start the war - the isolationists were against direct US intervention (but they had nothing against military orders and arms supplies to Europe - though not to the detriment of their army).
          I had to open a second front of provocations "attack me first"- against Japan. Fortunately, the Japanese practically played a giveaway, having driven themselves into a funnel by 1941, in which any of their actions led either to war or to unrest in Japan itself.
    5. antivirus
      antivirus 27 October 2017 21: 29 New
      +4
      Thus, the owners of Washington until the very last moment tried to induce Tokyo to direct aggression to the north - against the Soviet Union
      any leader is trying to push the war and the IVS, and FDR Roosevelt, and Churchill.
      Any lies and intrigues are worth the lives of hundreds of thousands of their citizens and strangers.
      and how much money do you have to spend in footcloths and sleeves? - horror.
      and hospitals? and the benefits of the dead? “investment growth” and so on was stopped for decades to come (see today the Internet about the IMF)

      What is the USA to blame for Yap and the USSR?
      It has always been and will be further.
      1. reminin
        reminin 30 October 2017 11: 08 New
        +4
        Quote: antivirus

        any leader is trying to push the war and the IVS, and FDR Roosevelt, and Churchill.
        Any lies and intrigues are worth the lives of hundreds of thousands of their citizens and strangers.

        The lies about September 11th cost the lives of thousands of US citizens!
        Lying about ISIS and about "white powder in vitro" - cost the lives of many "alien" citizens.
        "Any US leader" did not try to avoid the war - they initiated it. Initiated in order to cash in on its results (through "kickbacks" of funds allocated by the military-industrial complex and the seizure of natural resources) at the cost of numerous victims among citizens of their country.
        What about the Vietnam War? Who wanted to push the war back there?
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 30 October 2017 12: 35 New
          +2
          you can mark the prom potential 7 times more than Yap and calmly wait for their action, "let them try"
          you can’t have an advantage-- then run and shout "we are for peace" must be in advance
          who prevented Chubais and EBN + GDP and Kasyanov + GDP and Medvedev grow by 10% \ yr and calmly wait for "minor provocations" in b Yugoslavia, South Ossetia and the outskirts.
          UAZ and grain, citizen planes and lathes + 1000 little things raises the leader above the "little things" and major provocations of identity.
          Roosevelt could be looked down upon.
      2. Weyland
        Weyland April 7 2018 14: 06 New
        0
        Quote: antivirus
        What is the USA to blame for Yap and the USSR?

        Have you read the article? They fought the same trade war against the yupps as they are now against China!
  4. moskowit
    moskowit 27 October 2017 06: 53 New
    +9
    Roosevelt is a brilliant and far-sighted politician who saw the future and place in it of the United States. American "shopkeepers" had to be prepared for a war for world domination. The American people and the army needed to change their mentality ... Pearl Harbor is the greatest provocation !!! Roosevelt sacrificed a little, human losses were small, and dominance in the World turned out to be the winner. And now, after the destruction of the USSR, we have witnessed this personally and are eyewitnesses to it.
    1. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 27 October 2017 12: 30 New
      +5
      Quote: moskowit
      Roosevelt is a brilliant and far-sighted politician who saw the future and place in it of the United States. American "shopkeepers" had to be prepared for a war for world domination. The American people and the army needed to change their mentality ... Pearl Harbor is the greatest provocation !!! Roosevelt sacrificed a little, human losses were small, and dominance in the World turned out to be the winner. And now, after the destruction of the USSR, we have witnessed this personally and are eyewitnesses to it.


      Is Pearl Harbor the greatest disaster of the US Navy - is it a "provocation"?
      That is, you think that the first person of the state would allow the complete defeat of the outpost in the Pacific Ocean?
      Despite the fact that the US government was notified on November 6 that the Japanese embassies in the United States received orders to destroy cryptographic books, which meant the beginning of the war in the very next 24 hours. But it was not known where the blow was struck.

      What Admiral Husband Edward Kimmel does on this day (February 26, 1882 - May 14, 1968) - At the time of the Japanese air attack on Pearl Harbor, he is the commander in chief of the US Pacific Fleet.
      "... In the afternoon he held a lengthy meeting with his headquarters. The situation was tense. There were disturbing messages from Washington. This could not continue for a long time, an abscess of the impending conflict between Japan and the United States was to break through.
      Naval intelligence found out that in Japanese military units overseas, radio codes are burned. From Japan it was reported that all Japanese aircraft carriers disappeared a few weeks ago. This message should have alerted the main US naval base. But Kimmel knew that intelligence had lost sight of Japanese aircraft carriers nearly a dozen times before. It usually turned out that they went to the sea for some kind of exercise, hid in the labyrinth of the Kuril Islands, and then suddenly reappeared in the Kura.
      Kimmel generally did not seriously think that the Japanese could consider Pearl Harbor as an object of attack, even if the empire, in its old tradition, unleashes the war with some treacherous raid. According to Kimmel, they were more likely to be interested in the Far Eastern regions of the Soviet Union or the southern territories. Singapore was in danger, perhaps Borneo too.
      Admiral Hasbend E. Kimmel was not alone in this opinion. It is consistent with the ideas of the highest military leadership of the United States. Secretary of War Stimson and General George C. Marshall, chief of the General Staff of the United States Army, have long been unanimous that the Japanese will nevertheless attack one fine day. A few months ago, counterintelligence specialists were able to decipher the Japanese secret (diplomatic) codes. Since then, the War Department has been well aware of the content of secret Japanese radio communications (diplomatic). Nevertheless, not a single hint has yet slipped into a specific point in the American defense system that Japan is about to strike at.
      From decrypted Japanese messages, they knew that the words "east wind - rain" were chosen by the highest military leadership of Japan as a signal for an attack. These words should have been heard at the appointed time on ordinary short-wave radio stations. They gave the last decisive signal to attack the Japanese formations that were already concentrated at that time. Knowing this secret phrase was very useful for milking the American leadership. But it did not give instructions about the area chosen by the Japanese for the first strike.
      All that the Chief of the General Staff George C. Marshall undertook in the face of imminent danger was a very restrained content warning, which he sent to the commanders in Panama, the Philippines, and the Hawaiian Islands.
      Admiral Kimmel and General Short received this warning. Both of them believed that the Japanese attack would certainly be directed against America (due to the lack of information that was communicated to the commanders). Japanese threats spoke a lot about Singapore. It could be assumed that the Japanese would lead the offensive in that direction. Perhaps the Philippines also threatened.
      The defense of the Hawaiian Islands, in which the participation of infantry and other land units was planned, Kimmel entrusted the army and the 14th naval area. He knew that protecting the island chain in the event of a surprise attack would not be easy at all. "
      1. DimerVladimer
        DimerVladimer 27 October 2017 12: 30 New
        +4
        At noon on December XNUMX, Kimmel held a staff meeting at which defense issues were again discussed. A balance has been drawn. He showed a total lack of weapons and equipment. Kimmel once again defended his point of view that the available forces to defend the islands from an unexpected attack were not enough.
        - In order to effectively protect such territory as the Hawaiian Islands from attacks by aircraft carriers and battleships, it is necessary to cover the surface of the ocean with a diameter of about eight hundred nautical miles with patrol flights. You need to control it until the evening, then such precautions will be enough until the morning, and then, immediately after sunrise, start all over again.
        Speaking these words, Kimmel did not suspect how close he and the main base of his fleet were to such an unexpected attack. He continued to set out his calculations.
        For such effective control, four hundred eighty sorties over the surveyed area of ​​sixteen hours each will be required. Of course, aircraft with the same crews cannot work for two days for sixteen hours. To accomplish this task, we need a fleet of at least two hundred and fifty aircraft. It should be patrol cars, preferably flying boats. There are not even two dozen of them. Other cars with this control will not cope. This fact is well known to the War Department. We were promised to increase the fleet, but still have not done so. We were informed from the mainland about a detachment of B-17 vehicles, which is due to arrive tomorrow. But these B-17s are also not enough to guarantee our protection against a surprise attack.
        At this headquarters meeting, they confined themselves only to a statement of insufficient defense capability. They again spoke of signs that had appeared in recent weeks that foreign ships were entering the waters around the Hawaiian Islands. So, for example, in the past five weeks, submarines have been spotted three times. There was no doubt that we could only talk about Japanese boats. "

        http://militera.lib.ru/research/turk/04.html
        1. IL-18
          IL-18 27 October 2017 18: 34 New
          +4
          By December 1941, Americans, thanks to the actions of Germans and British in the Mediterranean Sea and the North Atlantic, by aviation, from land, from aircraft carriers (Taranto, Bismarck) realized that a linear fleet was no longer of great value. There were no U.S. carriers in the harbor of Pearl Harbor (prudently). After the Khalkhin Gol, the Japanese, besides China, to get in the same part of Asia as opponents of the USSR (fighting, but not defeated) and automatically Mongolia, the Japanese did not have any desire, for Roosevelt it was definitely no secret. The isolationists, the Japanese attack on the USSR, Roosevelt was not to reason, and Wilson’s laurels, which removed both the vanquished and the victors in WWI from the road with a bunch of post-war treaties, could only intervene directly in the war. Japan’s attack on the USSR, which dragged chestnuts out of the fire for him, was extremely unprofitable, because Senators with congressmen have limited the benefits of the situation for the United States only by selling everything that is possible on a cash and carry system. But a blow to the USA ... Here in Asia and Europe it will be possible to profit from the division of the post-war world pie, and with weakened metropolises it will be possible to not stand on ceremony in Africa either. US anti-Japanese sanctions provoked an attack primarily on themselves. And thanks to this, they achieved world hegemony in some 50 (!) Years, which is not a deadline for history.
      2. reminin
        reminin 30 October 2017 11: 24 New
        +2
        Quote: DimerVladimer
        That is, you think that the first person of the state would allow the complete defeat of the outpost in the Pacific Ocean?

        Personally, I think so. The first person of the state, at least, was aware of the operation. Otherwise, new US ships would also be affected.
        I don’t understand why to be surprised? The country that decided on the "Moon scam with studio filming" (recently a Japanese satellite photographed the "landing sites" of NASA rockets on the Moon - and didn’t find anything), the country in which the Presidents are shot "as if in a dash" and investigations are still ongoing then ... maybe it’s not like that.
  5. svskor80
    svskor80 27 October 2017 07: 33 New
    +9
    Japan sensibly assessed its potential, but nevertheless believed that after successful attacks on the United States, they would not wage war until the end? This is a strange logic, all the same, I think the Japanese considered themselves powerful enough for a war with the States, and they did not attack the USSR only because our territories are geographically (colder) less attractive for development than the more southern territories of the Pacific Ocean and especially Indochina (resort essence). The Far East of the USSR would not have disappeared from them, had our country ceded to Germany.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 27 October 2017 08: 29 New
      +9
      It just so happened that I know pretty well about the war of Japan on the island of Borneo. And there everything was aimed at ONE: oil! Arawak and Brunei oil. Oil is the blood of war, without it anywhere! There was no oil in Primorye !!! She was on Borneo. In Primorye there was no rubber, balsa, and much more. REM deposits were already known in China. So the Japanese would get manganese and nickel. But oil - only in the South!
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 27 October 2017 09: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: kalibr
        But oil - only in the South!

        More correctly, much more than in the North (Sakhalin already mined)
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 27 October 2017 09: 28 New
          +3
          Quote: Olgovich
          More correct, much more than in the North

          Sakhalin manifestations of oil were discovered in 1879, and in 1925 a concession agreement was signed with Japan.
          "In December 1925, representatives of the governments of the USSR and Japan signed concession agreements in Moscow for the exploitation of oil fields in Northern Sakhalin (for 45 years). Eight fields (Okha, Nutovo, Piltun, Ehabi, Chayvo, Nyyvo, Uiglekuty, Katangli) with a total area of ​​4800 tithes were divided into staggered plots: half to the Japanese side, half to the Soviet side. As a fee for the concession, the Japanese pledged to deduct 5 to 45 percent of their oil income to us, to pay state and local taxes, and to pay rent. "
          http://ruskline.ru/monitoring_smi/2000/08/01/saha
          linskaya_neft
      2. mar4047083
        mar4047083 28 October 2017 18: 58 New
        0
        This is because you are V.O. , explain the historical facts "wrong." You are a “wrong” historian, therefore the wise thoughts of Mr. Samsonov are incomprehensible to you. Even the author’s loyal fans are sometimes confused by the products of his life. In order to understand this and correctly evaluate it, you need to be a psychiatrist.
  6. Cartalon
    Cartalon 27 October 2017 09: 47 New
    +1
    The main idea of ​​the author is that the Japanese turned out to be very smart and attacked the state 7-8 times stronger than themselves, well, that’s how you need to go to success.
    1. mar4047083
      mar4047083 28 October 2017 19: 10 New
      0
      Again, you did not understand anything. The main idea - the Masons were not ready to fight back from the Russian matrix. And of course, the Japanese, as the descendants of the ancient Rus, turned out to be honest guys, they just sank and bombed the Masonic fleet. A good patriotic clip on this topic.
  7. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 27 October 2017 09: 58 New
    +2
    But Best_Drug_Fizkulturnikov outwitted all. He waited until the 6 of August 1945 of the year the United States detonated an atomic bomb over Hiroshima. Then, on 8 on August 1945, the USSR declared war on Japan.
    Well, and as soon as the United States detonated an atomic bomb over Nagasaki on August 9 of August 1945, the USSR launched combat operations on August 9 of August.
    Great move!
    The entire Soviet-Japanese war took three weeks.
    The result of the South Sakhalin operation was the capture of South Sakhalin. The result of the Kuril landing operation was the occupation by the Soviet troops of the 56 islands of the Kuril ridge, with a total area of ​​10,5 thousand km², which in the 1946 year were included in the USSR.
    This was called: "Little blood and on foreign territory.".
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 27 October 2017 10: 58 New
      +2
      But Best_Friend_Fizkulturnikov
      Not exactly. Jewish best friend Briefly, informatively and infallibly against the truth (who should the people of Israel pray for?)
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 27 October 2017 15: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        But Best_Friend_Fizkulturnikov
        Not exactly. Jewish best friend Briefly, informatively and infallibly against the truth (who should the people of Israel pray for?)

        Found a friend! If you are about stories about the creation of Israel by Stalin, then Mavrikiy, don’t tell my sneakers. stop
        The creation of Israel naturally pushed Britain out of a strategically important region and could enable the USSR to take its place. The words of Stalin are widely known:
        “Let's agree with the formation of Israel. It will be like an awl in the ass for the Arab states and will make them turn their back on Britain. Ultimately, British influence will be completely undermined in Egypt, Syria, Turkey and Iraq. ”

        However, at that time the country was already in full swing against "cosmopolitanism", the "Case of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee" was being promoted (110 were being repressed, 14 people were being shot), by direct order of Stalin, the USSR State Security Ministry killed the world-famous theater director and Jewish public figure Solomon Mikhoels, followed by the Doctors' Case and other repressions against Jews.
        1. faiver
          faiver 29 October 2017 17: 26 New
          0
          did they directly hear or read Stalin’s direct order?
    2. dzvero
      dzvero 27 October 2017 16: 11 New
      +8
      It seems that at the Potsdam Conference it was clarified that the USSR would oppose Japan three months after the surrender of the Reich - just on the 8th of August. Moreover, the results of the negotiations were brought to the Japanese. The USSR annulled the nonaggression pact BEFORE the outbreak of hostilities. Hiroshima and Nagasaki have nothing to do with it.
      And the operation itself is a masterpiece of world military thought. Lightning, even by current measures, the defeat of the Kwantung army showed to the amers and the Britons that to butt with the USSR is fraught. Despite the bomb.
      PS Now I saw that below is the same answer ... repeat
      1. DimerVladimer
        DimerVladimer 30 October 2017 11: 09 New
        +2
        Quote: dzvero
        It seems that at the Potsdam Conference it was clarified that the USSR would oppose Japan three months after the surrender of the Reich - just on the 8th of August.


        In general, this arrangement applies to the Yalta (Crimean) Conference of 1944:
        "... The fate of the Far East was fundamentally decided in a separate document. In exchange for joining the war with Japan 2-3 months after the end of the war in Europe, the USSR received the Kuril Islands and South Sakhalin, which had been lost in the Russo-Japanese war; recognized Mongolia "independent state status. The Port of Arthur and the Sino-Eastern Railway (CER) were also promised leases to the Soviet side."


        Quote: dzvero
        Moreover, the results of the negotiations were brought to the Japanese. The USSR annulled the nonaggression pact BEFORE the outbreak of hostilities.


        Pact Termination
        On April 5, 1945, People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs of the USSR Vyacheslav Molotov received Japan's Ambassador to the USSR, Naotake Sato and made him a denunciation of the neutrality pact between the USSR and Japan.
        It was noted that after the signing of the pact, Germany attacked the USSR, and Japan, an ally of Germany, was helping Germany in its war against the USSR. In addition, Japan is fighting with the United States and England, which are allies of the Soviet Union. In such a situation, the neutrality treaty “lost its meaning”.

        N. Sato recalled that the pact was valid until April 13, 1946 and expressed the hope that this condition would be fulfilled by the Soviet side.
        Molotov replied that "in fact, Soviet-Japanese relations will return to the position they were in before the conclusion of the pact."
        Sato noted that legally this means cancellation, not denunciation of the contract.
        Molotov agreed with N. Sato that from the point of view of the neutrality pact itself, being only denounced (and not annulled), it could legally retain its force until April 25, 1946.

        On April 16, 1945, an article in Time magazine (USA) noted that although the pact remained formally valid until April 13, 1946, the tone of the Soviet Foreign Commissioner meant that, despite this, the USSR could soon start a war with Japan.

        On August 9, 1945, the USSR launched a war with Japan, which de facto terminated the neutrality pact.
  8. Eurodav
    Eurodav 27 October 2017 10: 19 New
    +5
    Of course, they hoped for the Japanese, and therefore avenged the atomic bombing, trying to kill two birds with one stone - the revenge of Japan and a call to I.V. Stalin! Stalin was not afraid, but the Japanese are still in an elbow-elbow position ... And Pearl Harbor has nothing to do with it ... Wouldn’t it be, they would have come up with another reason!
  9. Eurodav
    Eurodav 27 October 2017 10: 26 New
    +7
    Quote: A. Privalov
    But Best_Drug_Fizkulturnikov outwitted all. He waited until the 6 of August 1945 of the year the United States detonated an atomic bomb over Hiroshima. Then, on 8 on August 1945, the USSR declared war on Japan.
    Well, and as soon as the United States detonated an atomic bomb over Nagasaki on August 9 of August 1945, the USSR launched combat operations on August 9 of August.
    Great move!
    The entire Soviet-Japanese war took three weeks.
    The result of the South Sakhalin operation was the capture of South Sakhalin. The result of the Kuril landing operation was the occupation by the Soviet troops of the 56 islands of the Kuril ridge, with a total area of ​​10,5 thousand km², which in the 1946 year were included in the USSR.
    This was called: "Little blood and on foreign territory.".

    Bullshit ... The beginning of the entry of the USSR was negotiated with the Allies much earlier, and all the more so, Stalin did not expect a bombing in order to enter the war! With the army that the USSR had in 1945, Japan was no longer such a serious opponent ...
    Why does a Jew always try to turn everything upside down? Lack of education? So it’s not too late to take up History ...
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 27 October 2017 10: 52 New
      +3
      Well no. With education there is just fine. There is simply a story for the elite, but there is a story for the gentiles (for you and me). So "comrades" always write without errors.
  10. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 27 October 2017 10: 49 New
    +3
    "Wow, yes he has a fever!" (Sov. Cartoon)
    Do not read American history at night.
    Roosevelt slipped Pir-Harble to the Japanese, as a reason for a showdown, to clean Asia out of them, and for the British, too (territories controlled by the Japanese bordered on the British colonies, clashes were not avoided). Well, do not participate in the war in Europe. Japan was limited in resources and completely dependent on sea transportation, so it was doomed after 5 or 10 years, what's the difference.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 27 October 2017 16: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Roosevelt slipped Pir-Harble to the Japanese, as a reason for a showdown, that would clean Asia from them, and for one from the British

      Not Pearl Harbor, but the Philippines. US provocations against Japan were planned and have already begun implementation in the Philippines. In parallel, there was a policy of maximizing the slowdown in the strengthening of the garrison in the Philippines - especially since according to the pre-war plan it was still canceled (the army retreats to Bataan and awaits the fleet, the Asian fleet fights on its own - according to the plan, there will be no reinforcements for it).
      Not a single politician in a sober mind and sound memory will substitute the main forces of the fleet.
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Well, do not participate in the war in Europe.

      That is, the trip of the US Army officers in March-April 1941 to the United Kingdom to inspect the Air Defense of the Islands, British bases and select locations for the US forces is "not participate in the war in Europe"? Yes, the FDR was ready to get into the war already in 1941 - he needed a reason. And the Germans, parasites like that, did not succumb to provocations. Even with the well-posed LC, they missed. smile
      The US has learned the WWI lesson well — whoever arrives late will not get anything. So they wanted to get into WWII early, but with limited forces.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 27 October 2017 18: 37 New
        +2
        Exactly, they learned the lessons of WWI well. Who comes at the end, with a whole army and a military-industrial complex deployed, logged on supplies to the howling states, that dictates the conditions of the world.
        That is, the trip of the US Army officers in March-April 1941 to Great Britain to inspect the Air Defense of the Islands, British bases and select the bases of the American forces - is it "not to participate in the war in Europe"?
        Yes, it is purely American "to participate in the war in Europe." Are you from sympathizing with them?
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 27 October 2017 20: 09 New
          +2
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Exactly, they learned the lessons of WWI well. Who comes at the end, with a whole army and a military-industrial complex deployed, logged on supplies to the howling states, that dictates the conditions of the world.

          Yeah ... and how - much did the USA receive from WWI? Could they crush the whole of post-war Europe?
          To dictate the terms of the world, the winners need to participate in the war at least from the middle. Otherwise, the post-war world order will again turn into a cozy intra-European inter-war conflict, as happened with the Treaty of Versailles.
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Yes, it is purely American "to participate in the war in Europe."

          A pair of "old" divisions and an air army. This is all that the United States had from combat readiness in the second half of 1941. For the results of the exercises of the end of 1941 it became clear: a year and a half after Roosevelt sold almost a 20-fold increase in the division of the US Army, the Yankees already have a lot of troops. But the army - almost none. For a crowd of Muscovites with rifles is not an army yet.
          What was - they wanted to participate.
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Are you from sympathizing with them?

          But why are you asking? wink
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 28 October 2017 05: 34 New
            +1
            [quote = Alexey RA] [/ quote]
            Yeah ... and how - much did the USA receive from WWI? Could they crush the whole of post-war Europe?
            To dictate the terms of the world, the winners need to participate in the war at least from the middle. Otherwise, the post-war world order will again turn into a cozy intra-European inter-war conflict, as happened with the Treaty of Versailles [/ quote]

            To understand the results of the PMV, you need to know its goals. First, check what we are talking about. The United States and England needed the war for different purposes. England - the destruction of empires, the United States - the weakening of England. As a result, they achieved what they wanted.
            1. You missed, "Cozy Intra-European Brawl" turned into WWII after 20 years.
            2. That WWII will be known to everyone, back in 1918.
            I'll be back, I’ll add it.
  11. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 27 October 2017 11: 50 New
    +4
    Thus, the owners of Washington until the very last moment tried to induce Tokyo to direct aggression to the north - against the Soviet Union. As researcher N. Yakovlev noted: “The facts indisputably indicate that the American response, or ultimatum, of November 26 was the“ big club ”with which the United States sometimes achieved its goals.


    That is, to aggravate relations with Japan to the utmost: present an ultimatum, prohibit the sale of oil and fuel, prohibit American banks from lending to Japanese firms - would this provoke it to attack the USSR ?!
    I do not even know how to characterize this absurd statement.
    Schizophrenic delirium ...

    Literally 2 weeks ago, the Histori channel hosted a documentary film, where historians phased out the whole situation leading to the aggravation of Japanese-American relations, as well as the reasons for the sudden attack on the Navy Pearl Harbor, which were reviewed by the US Senate commission and published.
    Since the Americans not only cracked and read the Japanese diplomatic code, but also the Navy codes.
    They were aware of the double play of the Japanese government
  12. Livonetc
    Livonetc 27 October 2017 11: 59 New
    +1
    Quote: moskowit
    Roosevelt is a brilliant and far-sighted politician who saw the future and place in it of the United States. American "shopkeepers" had to be prepared for a war for world domination. The American people and the army needed to change their mentality ... Pearl Harbor is the greatest provocation !!! Roosevelt sacrificed a little, human losses were small, and dominance in the World turned out to be the winner. And now, after the destruction of the USSR, we have witnessed this personally and are eyewitnesses to it.

    Roosevel is truly a great politician.
    One of his phrases.
    “Democracy has disappeared in many large countries, not because their people do not like democracy, but because they are tired of unemployment and insecurity ...”
    He was one of the initiators of the creation of the UN.
    Initially pursued a policy of isolationism.
    Further, the circumstances forced him to more active actions.
    However, from my bell tower I do not see Roosevelt as a hawk, setting out plans for world domination.
  13. Eight
    Eight 27 October 2017 12: 46 New
    +3
    The author, as always, tries to make discoveries where they have long been made.
    "England, France and the United States, pursuing an anti-Soviet course in their foreign policy, strongly encouraged fascist Germany and militaristic Japan to attack the USSR."
    This is a paragraph from the book "The initial period of the war (Based on the experience of the first campaigns and operations of the Second World War) / Under the general editorship of Army General S. P. Ivanov. - M., Military Publishing House, 1974".
    For some reason, the author does not consider Japanese sources at all. In short, again about the world behind the scenes.
  14. ventel
    ventel 27 October 2017 16: 46 New
    +1
    Well here is one more publication from a series about treacherous Americans. The author at least knows what the political situation was in America and Japan. If, frankly, Roosevelt listened to Wall Street advisers better than their military because they forgive their turn-up moves and know how to get out of a difficult situation with minimal losses. I read somewhere an article about how admirals wanted to fight against Japan, the plan was called "Orange" So modern experts agreed that the Japanese could have cost a second Tsushima for the Americans.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 27 October 2017 20: 20 New
      +3
      Quote: ventel
      I read somewhere an article about how admirals wanted to fight against Japan, the plan was called "Orange", so modern experts agreed that the Japanese could cost a second Tsushima for the Americans.

      In fact, the latest pre-war plan of war against Japan was quite reasonable and cautious. Moreover, the actions of the Yankees on TO almost completely fall into this plan:
      - at the first stage, do not climb on the rampage and build up strength, biting minor Japanese bases with AB raids and launching an unlimited submarine warfare;
      - as soon as superior fleet forces are concentrated on the Pacific Fleet and as soon as the United States has marine corps (the marines in 1940 were deployed from several brigades into several divisions - you understand what was going on) - start the second stage: the “frog jumping” offensive one group of atolls to another, luring the Japanese fleet to a general battle;
      - continue to go to Japan along the atolls until it is within the radius of land bombers - and then work on its economy;
      - unlimited submarine warfare cannot be stopped - for the victory over Japan lies on transport routes from Southeast Asia and China: it is impossible to give Japan the opportunity to restore its forces normally and supply them;
      - to provide forces in the Philippines to ourselves - let them keep as they wish until the fleet approaches during the second stage.

      The only corrections were that the general battle resulted in the Marian Turkey Hunt - for the main enemy forces were so successfully substituted. that were destroyed by 2/3 during the first stage. And so, had it not been for Midway - somewhere around the Mariana Islands Kido Butai and TF.38 / 58 from the new Essexes and Independents diluted with Lady Sarah, Big E and some of the remaining ones would clash pre-war AB.
  15. Reklastik
    Reklastik 27 October 2017 17: 07 New
    +2
    What kind of crazy compilation of sources is this, and what kind of analytical abilities did the Ippons show ?! laughing laughing laughing
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 28 October 2017 01: 21 New
      +4
      Compilation in order to get an absurd result. There was a war between Germany and the USSR.
      And at that time to set Japan on the USSR would be for Americans a shot at themselves.
      And if Japan attacked the USSR, then the Americans would have to urgently attack it, saving the Soviet Union. After all, Hitler would otherwise have received all of Eurasia.
      America was clearly on the side of the Soviet Union.
  16. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 27 October 2017 19: 59 New
    +1
    "Having mastered the game of a cunning and treacherous enemy, they acted in their own way. On December 7, 1941 they attacked Pearl Harbor, hoping to quickly turn off the enemy with a swift attack, capture the territories necessary for the Japanese Empire and then agree." ///
    ----
    And ... failed miserably. Failed to get not only to the territory of America, but even
    half of the Pacific Ocean. For three years they were completely defeated, they lost the entire fleet, the entire aviation, the entire officer corps and all the cities that were burned under bombs.
    They got it, called ...
  17. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson 30 October 2017 04: 26 New
    0
    The author is clearly abnormal. Diligently describes how the Americans literally forced the Japanese to turn to them in front so that they turned away from the USSR (and did not leave the United States almost alone in front of the Axis) and ... concludes: the Americans set Japan on us!
    It was the other way around. The Americans tried to force the Japanese to open fire in order to quickly shatter them to pieces. Only quickly it didn’t work: Japan was already completely different from that of Commodore Perry. (And they thought she was.)