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For the Navy there are things more important than the new base in the Kuriles

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At the Russian Navy fleet another base will appear, moreover, on the Kuril Islands. At least this is stated in the upper house of parliament. The island of Matua still preserves the secrets and infrastructure of the once Japanese garrison. However, the Pacific Fleet has much more urgent needs than building a base on this island.

In the near future, work will begin on the creation of a naval base in the Kuril Islands, Franz Klintsevich, first deputy chairman of the defense and security committee of the Federation Council, said on Thursday. “Everything goes strictly according to plan, without emergency rushes,” said the senator. “From the point of view of the bay, the base, if it is created, will allow us to deliver any ships, including the first rank,” Klintsevich promised, adding that the airfield network will also be restored.

For the first time, the possibility of basing ships of the Pacific Fleet on the Kuriles was announced last spring by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu. After that, the Pacific Fleet ships made an expeditionary expedition to the Kuril Islands to explore such opportunities, and a joint expedition of the Ministry of Defense and the Russian Geographical Society was sent to Matua. The fact is that Matua was used by the Japanese as a military naval and air base, and as long as it remains the most likely place to create a base.

“Three runways have been preserved since World War II. Their good location, taking into account the wind rose and local climate in those years, ensured the landing and take-off of aircraft at any time, ”the Defense Ministry reported about the island earlier. It also noted that “according to some assumptions, there could be a chemical laboratory on the island’s territory weapons».

Shoigu himself said that “there are many fortifications, mines, grottoes on the island, runways that are heated by thermal springs, the road leading to the volcano ... There are many different mysteries in the military unit. To this day, no one can answer where the huge amount of equipment and ammunition that were prepared to repel the Soviet troops, and where two-thirds of the garrison that was on this island were. ”


“Matua is a small island in the middle part of the Kuriles (which is not claimed in Tokyo), it originated around an active and restless volcano,” wrote Vasily Golovnin, the TASS correspondent in Tokyo, on his Facebook page on Thursday, commenting on Klintsevich's promise. - On Matua, the Japanese imperial army created its main base in the Kuril Islands - a phenomenal, mysterious object, which has not been practically studied yet. In the rocky and volcanic soil, an underground city was carved out there with railway narrow gauge railways and trolley lines going to unknown places. ” In the 1945 year, before the Red Army surrendered, the garrison blew up most of the underground passages - during Soviet times no one really explored them, Golovnin reminds.

According to Golovnin, the expedition that worked on Matua last year found that the Japanese concrete airfield of the first half of the last century, despite decades of typhoons and snowfall, can receive modern aircraft with some equipment. “We found a secret nest for a submarine felled in the rocks, but we could not go deeper into the depths,” he said. “Mysterious power cables were also found.”

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Today, a machine gun and artillery division is deployed on the Kuril ridge. In addition, a coastal missile system "Bastion" was deployed on Iturup a year ago, and a "Ball" complex was deployed on Kunashir Island.

“A new base is needed to protect the Kuriles - first, for the antiamphibious defense of the islands. Secondly, to ensure Russia's military presence in the area, especially given the fact that the Japanese are claiming the Kurils. Including this is a political signal for Tokyo, ”said Konstantin Sivkov, first vice-president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, to the VIEW of the newspaper.

Now bases of the Pacific Fleet are located in Vladivostok and Vilyuchinsk (Kamchatka). “The new base is needed if only because the Pacific Fleet is divided into two parts: the Kamchatka and the seaside, which in the event of war will not be connected in any way. The intermediate base is absolutely necessary, ”said Alexander Khramchikhin, deputy director of the Institute for Political and Military Analysis, told the newspaper VIEW.

The only thing is that the Pacific Fleet itself is experiencing far more serious problems than the lack of bases. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the most efficient ships disappeared from its structure - they sold them abroad or even scrapped them. Only the flagship can go on long hikes - the Varyag missile cruiser, the Bystry destroyer and three large anti-submarine ships: the Admiral Tributs, Admiral Panteleev and the Admiral Vinogradov. The remaining ships are designed to operate in the coastal zone. Updating the Pacific Fleet is a task for decades, and building a base does not bring it closer.

“Security is determined not only by the presence of the base, but by the fleet itself, which is located on this base. And we have the biggest problems with the Pacific Fleet. It is the only one that has not been updated since Soviet times. There is a catastrophic shortage of ships, ”Khramchikhin complained.

Within two squadrons

It is worth noting that Shoigu spoke only about the possibility of "basing" the Pacific Fleet ships. Klintsevich speaks about the “base”. What will happen in reality? Khramchikhin noted that financial resources will determine the answer to this question. In any case, we are talking about large amounts.

Sivkov is already confident that only a temporary-based point will be built. "Sevastopol, Novorossiysk, Severomorsk - these are real bases, and here is the basing point," he said. In his opinion, something more would be unjustifiably expensive. According to Sivkov, there is no infrastructure for large ships on Matua. "Boats will only go there - within 1,5 thous. Tons," he said. Ships of the “first rank” mentioned by Klintsevich have a displacement of about 10 thousand tons.

“There will be an airfield to provide basing aviation groups of up to two squadrons — 24-30 vehicles — and a reception center for the surface forces of the fleet, ”Sivkov believes. Most likely, the base will be designed to support the actions of missile boats, and with appropriate stockpiles of weapons, he suggested.

Stories about bad weather on the Kuriles - a myth

“There are conditions for the creation of housing, for the construction of moorings, the creation of warehouses and arsenals, for the repair works of ships and ground equipment,” RIA told Matua about “News»Military expert, retired colonel Viktor Litovkin.

At the same time, the President of the Far Eastern Association of Sea Captains, sea captain Peter Osichansky told the SIGHT newspaper that there are many other bays in the Kuril Islands to which ships with tonnes of 3 – 5 thousand tons can easily pass. But about ships of greater tonnage, he expressed doubt.

“The weather in the Kuril Islands is favorable, mild winter. There is no severe frost, ”said Osichansky. “Winds are blowing, but one cannot say that there are such powerful storms as those under which Primorsky Krai and Japan fall,” he noted.

But all this does not apply specifically to Matua, Golovnin objects. The Japanese called Matsuva Island (“Ring of Pines”), but from the Ainu language its name translates as “Hell's Mouth”, he notes and adds: “There is no serious port at Matua, the Japanese have not considered it as such. So you need to build. And there is a completely disgusting climate - fog, rain and snow. ”


Matua in square kilometers is not large. Zato is harsh and unapproachable.
Photo: Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation


For the Navy there are things more important than the new base in the Kuriles

The ice-free airfield of Matua is a unique engineering structure.
Photo: Kommersant. Maria Herman




The commander of the Eastern Military District, Colonel-General Sergei Suvorkin (in the foreground) and the commander of the Pacific Fleet, Sergei Avakyants, follow the deployment of the expedition, 2016.
Photo: Kommersant. Maria Herman



Japanese defenses are striking in size and forethought.
Photo: Kommersant. Maria Herman
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  1. bald
    bald 27 October 2017 05: 27 New
    +4
    And in this, that is. Why now there is a large base. To rebuild a couple of airfields and air defense systems, in the first stage. First you need to explore the island, you cannot build a base on riddles.
    1. RASKAT
      RASKAT 27 October 2017 08: 09 New
      +4
      For the Navy there are things more important than the new base in the Kuriles

      Of course there is, this is the ability to quickly build surface ships for the Navy. Yes, we kind of learned how to build a trifle, but we have problems with ships over 4000 tons. 11356 stood up unknown how much, either because of turbines, or because of an outdated project? 22350 they’ll accept it. But if you look at the construction dates laid on 01.02.2006/29.10.2010/2017, launched on 11/35/18, they promise to accept it at the end of 19. Damn it for almost 2025 years. Moreover, we have not yet solved the problem with gas turbines. This year, a stand was launched to test only small engines up to XNUMX MW, the larger should be commissioned next year. So the engine will be handed over no earlier than the end of XNUMX-XNUMX. So if it's true we should lay new large ships today, otherwise we will get the first large ship with such a downtime only by XNUMX. Somehow it's all not very happy.
      1. Ural resident
        Ural resident 27 October 2017 11: 03 New
        +1
        This does not mean that, following the logic of Sivkov, we should begin to build a base on the Kuril Islands only after we rebuild a series of ships of rank 1 ...
        1. bnm.99
          bnm.99 27 October 2017 15: 25 New
          +1
          Sivkov has a strange logic: Matua is open to all winds and waves, including ocean ones. How crews of boats on the ocean wave will feel themselves Sivkova does not care. If there is something to build, it is only for basing ships of the 1st and 2nd rank.
          1. Talgat
            Talgat 29 October 2017 20: 46 New
            0
            Yes, I agree. Boats on the wave are not good

            That question is generally strategic - the Kuril Islands should not be given away at all. We will substitute ourselves and also China will suffer

            maybe while the Russian Federation is weak, Japan and the US will try to chop off

            But in the future it will be trouble

            It is necessary to endure. We need to find money somewhere. Let the Chinese help - this is their interest too
            Need to survive

            And save them. and tomorrow it will be easier and more fun together
      2. Standard
        Standard 27 October 2017 18: 43 New
        0
        Quote: RASKAT
        Somehow it's all not very happy.

        It is special that it is not only about money. But most importantly, in the shipyards.
      3. bald
        bald 27 October 2017 20: 33 New
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        I agree with the surface. And the prospect of the priority of the submarine fleet? --- According to the current development, any military innovation, nuclear submarines and submarines is much more promising than the surface fleet. And in our science, not dogma is sitting. And the way the submarine fleet is being built will not be publicly advertised. This is so, here they launched another - laughter. And now about the feasibility of construction. One boat will deliver a blow that is beyond the power of, roughly speaking, a wounded fleet. The surface fleet is open and no matter what protective gadgets he has. Here are the conclusions - on a fig goat button accordion.
    2. Evgeniy667b
      Evgeniy667b 31 October 2017 19: 21 New
      +1
      What is MO about. Doesn't Simushir suit the base? After all, in Soviet times, after all, something had already been built there, then much was taken away. Convenient bay, and that on MATUA - only rocks, you need to protect all the malls. Maybe someone wants to knock out more money for a cut?
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 27 October 2017 05: 32 New
    +8
    To this day, no one can answer where a huge amount of equipment and ammunition went,


    There was an article about this on VO ... https: //topwar.ru/104884-tayna-ostrova-matua
    .html
    December 3 2016

    The Japanese probably left mine traps in the dungeons and I would not dare to meddle there ... there were already victims at the border guards there at one time.
    I agree with the author that the location of the island (Kuril ridge) and the nature in those parts are unique and I consider it a great sin to conduct any kind of negotiations or conversations with the Japanese about these islands.
  3. Swetliy
    Swetliy 27 October 2017 05: 43 New
    +1
    If to build three garages for one car - it is better for him not to drive from this. We are short of ships now.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 27 October 2017 07: 48 New
      15
      Quote: Swetliy
      If to build three garages for one car - it is better for him not to drive from this. We are short of ships now.

      Matua is not necessary to compare with the garage. This is most likely a gas station and a stationary aircraft carrier.
  4. Knowing
    Knowing 27 October 2017 05: 46 New
    +2
    As an ordinary layman: Not an article, but a set (a selection of quotes) ... Personally to me, as a resident of Primorye- joyfully and hopefully!
  5. cedar
    cedar 27 October 2017 06: 13 New
    15
    If the task is to make the Sea of ​​Okhotsk truly inland, i.e. to lock all the passages into it, so that our SSBNs could safely carry combat duty there, then the role of the Navy base on Matua, as the central link in the chain of islands, blocking all access to the adversary in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, becomes clear and understandable.
  6. Lganhi
    Lganhi 27 October 2017 07: 29 New
    13
    Why should sailors freeze? The average August temperature on Matua is only +10, even trees do not grow there, as a result, sailors will perceive service there as a link. A base for the fleet needs to be built in Kunashir, where the average August temperature is +16, fruit trees grow and the summer is normal, many sailors will even stay there for permanent residence with their families. In addition, the construction of the base will give impetus to the development of Yuzhno-Kurilsk, and now only 6 thousand people live there. And the construction of the base of the Navy will clearly show the Japanese that Russia has finally and irrevocably resolved the issue of the Kuril Islands.
    1. notingem
      notingem 27 October 2017 08: 51 New
      +7
      If you think over and ensure the life of sailors, then everything will be fine. And if everything is reduced to the level of a rural outhouse that I think it will be, then yes link
    2. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 27 October 2017 09: 06 New
      +4
      Quote: Lgankhi
      Base for the fleet must be built in Kunashir

      Both there and there is a need. It will be so.
    3. DenZ
      DenZ 27 October 2017 10: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: Lgankhi
      Why should sailors freeze? The average August temperature on Matua is only +10, even trees do not grow there, as a result, sailors will perceive service there as a link. The base for the fleet needs to be built in Kunashir, where the average August temperature is +16, fruit trees grow

      Any service should be perceived as a service and not as a link. Let the botanists take care of fruit trees.
      1. Lganhi
        Lganhi 27 October 2017 10: 12 New
        +2
        Yeah, apparently you do not care where to serve: in Tiksi in the tundra or in the Crimea. And I would prefer to serve in Kunashir, where the village is warm, and not on the tundra Matua, where no one lives. You can even go to the cafe in the evenings.
        1. DenZ
          DenZ 27 October 2017 10: 47 New
          +4
          Quote: Lgankhi
          Yeah, apparently you do not care where to serve

          I’m not saying that I don’t care where to serve, it's you who are trying to level all the conditions of service, regardless of the need for a particular place. Borders need to be protected But I want to, I don’t want to, and why is this the second thing and you can discuss a lot here (and cafes and young ladies, etc.)
          1. ammunition
            ammunition 27 October 2017 11: 35 New
            0
            Quote: DenZ
            (and cafes and young ladies and stuff)




            There were different times in the navy. lol
        2. Standard
          Standard 27 October 2017 18: 37 New
          0
          Quote: Lgankhi
          not on the tundra Matua

          And there are places in the Arctic - without people. But with a cafe. A year is equal to days.
    4. Standard
      Standard 27 October 2017 18: 40 New
      0
      Quote: Lgankhi
      even stay there for permanent residence with their families.

      Well ...
      As long as civilization is “in Europe”, even if there are tropics, “families” will be torn “into civilization”.
    5. Grits
      Grits 27 October 2017 18: 52 New
      +3
      I agree with the previous speaker. No matter how much you would like to have a naval base in the center of the Kuril Islands, realism suggests that nothing larger than the mooring wall will appear there. But the large base of the videoconferencing is very possible and quite realistic. With some refinement, it is possible to bring the airfield infrastructure to the landing level of all types of military aircraft. True, the place will still be considered a reference for the military - something dark and gloomy there.
  7. askme
    askme 27 October 2017 11: 01 New
    13
    This is all speculation for the layman, as if it was an alternative - to build a fleet base on Matua or build fleet ships. In reality, one another is not a hindrance. The main strategic motive for building a base and strengthening the land forces on the islands is THIS ISLANDS MUCH EASIER TO STRENGTHEN THAN THEN RELEASING THEM AFTER THE CAPTURE BY THE JAPANESE. Japan is much closer to the islands than Russia. If it occupies the islands, it will be practically impossible to dislodge them from there without nuclear forces. And with the usual - with huge losses. If under the USSR the main task of the garrison troops on the islands was to hold out until the main group of Pacific Fleet approaches and strengthen the Air Force in Sakhalin and Kamchatka, now it is completely different: to be able to fight off the enemy on your own, even if you have to fight for some time without massive support from the continent in a big war. And without the deployment of a full-fledged self-sufficient heterogeneous force grouping on the islands, this cannot be done. In addition, the second very important task of the group specifically on Matua is to be an important node, a link of reinforcement between the airborne forces and the navy in Kamchatka and the forces in Sakhalin and Vladivostok. Kamchatka easily turns into an island during the great war, if you do not create a powerful grouping on the islands that connects Kamchatka, Sakhalin and Vladivostok strategically strengthening Kamchatka ... And all this, of course, is connected with the Strategic Nuclear Forces in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. It is necessary to fully protect our SNLF in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. The creation of a powerful heterogeneous self-sufficient group of troops on the islands will completely close all the gaps in the defense of the Russian Far East.
    1. Standard
      Standard 27 October 2017 18: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: askme
      This is all speculation for the layman

      Unfortunately, not for the layman, but for our "government" - basically, stupid (this is a synonym sad ).
  8. Nehist
    Nehist 27 October 2017 13: 50 New
    +1
    Gg and also on Matua there are no natural sources of fresh water except for snow
    1. Grits
      Grits 27 October 2017 18: 56 New
      +2
      Therefore, scientists first study the island. After all, the Japanese have solved this problem. A bunch of all kinds of pipelines to confirm this.
  9. Standard
    Standard 27 October 2017 18: 32 New
    +1
    Oddly enough, the fleet base is needed for the peace of the Russian population. Creating a base means that there will not be another paskudnik giving the Kuril Islands. Like the Barents Sea, for example.
    And for the fleet, the real benefit.
  10. Nemesis
    Nemesis 27 October 2017 18: 51 New
    +4
    Ships are built too slowly, and the Kuril Islands need to be defended today. For this, it is necessary to deploy anti-ship missile systems and air defense systems on each island, turning each island into an unsinkable ship
  11. faiver
    faiver 28 October 2017 09: 21 New
    0
    again a fairy tale about the “mysterious Matua”, but the island is interesting in terms of studying the “Japanese heritage”, but no more, there is no “ice-free” airfield there, and it’s more than 70 years old, as it should be in the “dead” state ...
  12. askme
    askme 28 October 2017 12: 03 New
    +2
    A quick-erected runway was deployed on Matua VKS for aircraft weighing up to 30 tons with a length of 1500 m. It already receives An-26s and helicopters)