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A deputy from the Liberal Democratic Party: We need to rebuild both Lenin and Stalin ...

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Representatives of the Liberal Democratic Party offer their version of how the country should meet the centenary of the October Revolution 1917 year. Today, Deputy Chairman of the Duma Committee on Education and Science, Boris Chernyshov, representing the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia, said that the body of Vladimir Lenin must be interred. At the same time, as Deputy Chernyshov noted, the body should be transferred from Red Square.


The question of the position on the expediency / inexpediency of giving the body of Lenin to the earth was asked by the journalist RIA News. Boris Chernyshov’s response was:
It is high time. The ideologists of all the upheavals and ideologies of victims and disasters that occurred in Russia should, of course, not lie in the center of the great capital of a great state that unites historical era, from our imperial tradition to the present. It is strange purely aesthetically and ethically when in the center of the city there is a cemetery, where people walk, where they conduct all the events.


A deputy from the LDPR faction proposed to re-bury Lenin’s body at the “state cemetery”.

Continuation of the thinking process of the State Duma deputy:
In just a few weeks, there will be a skating rink there (on Red Square), people will ride, music will flow from all speakers, people will rejoice. Therefore, it is high time to transfer Lenin from the Mausoleum, finally, from the center of Moscow. And another moment is our cultural, religious moment, connected with the fact that the body of a deceased person should rest in a grave, in the ground, and not lie on the screen in everyone’s glass sarcophagus.


A deputy from the Liberal Democratic Party: We need to rebuild both Lenin and Stalin ...


Further, Chernyshov said that everyone who is buried in Red Square (near the Kremlin wall or in the Kremlin wall itself) “should be interred in the cemetery”. From the statement of the deputy chairman of the Duma education committee:
They all, I think, also deserve that, by all traditions, by all customs, to be devoted to the earth ... And to Stalin. All so that Red Square becomes a place where people get information about the country, spend time, attend major events, such as book fairs, ordinary festive fairs, and do not walk around the cemetery. This, of course, many can not please.


The question from a journalist can be considered provocative, if only for the reason that the topic of “giving or not giving” to the land of Lenin’s body always causes heated debate. At the same time, the deputies themselves are not averse to voice judgments that a priori will cause a wide public response.

Apparently, all problems have been solved in Russian education a long time ago if for the deputy chairman of the parliamentary committee on education and science the question of “the need to rebuild everyone from Red Square” suddenly became a matter of almost primary importance.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 26 October 2017 17: 53 New
    27
    Does it free up space for a loved one? Are there not enough empty sentences, is there nothing more to do?
    1. OFFICE-M
      OFFICE-M 26 October 2017 17: 58 New
      54
      Yes, there you can bury half of the State Duma .. Chatterboxes and old-timers! If it were not for Lenin and Stalin, they would wash the latrines to the West for a piece of bread ..
      1. stas
        stas 26 October 2017 18: 04 New
        33
        It's time for this party of clown Zhirik
        drive out of the State Duma.
        This is something beyond good and reason.
        The only thing Zhirik does according to the plan of the authorities is that he takes away votes from the Communist Party, and Zyuganov only peacefully grumbles on TV and plays along with EP.
        1. Logall
          Logall 26 October 2017 18: 11 New
          16
          Quote: stas
          It's time for this party of clown Zhirik
          drive out of the State Duma.

          And someone has the opposite opinion! Otherwise, explain their presence in the State Duma?
          Drive them out, and whom to leave? Who should be there?
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 26 October 2017 18: 42 New
            10
            Logall
            Drive them out, and whom to leave? Who should be there?
            Hi Sasha!
            Ha! A holy place is never empty!
            Zhirinovsky with his LDPR in the State Duma of the Russian Federation is eternal, because he always “raises” the Russian question in the country before the election! And then - after the election - he “lowers” ​​him quietly!
            Zhirinovsky would have cleaned up his Liberal Democratic Party, otherwise the Zhirinovsky’s had completely adjusted their dead water and COBRA in the Russian government!
            In this case they carry nonsense!
            1. 210ox
              210ox 26 October 2017 18: 59 New
              +3
              The saddest thing is that this nonsense finds its followers. And there are a lot of them .. So we can say that they express the opinion of some part of the people.
              Quote: Tatiana
              Logall
              Drive them out, and whom to leave? Who should be there?
              Hi Sasha!
              Ha! A holy place is never empty!
              Zhirinovsky with his LDPR in the State Duma of the Russian Federation is eternal, because he always “raises” the Russian question in the country before the election! And then - after the election - he “lowers” ​​him quietly!
              Zhirinovsky would have cleaned up his Liberal Democratic Party, otherwise the Zhirinovsky’s had completely adjusted their dead water and COBRA in the Russian government!
              In this case they carry nonsense!
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 26 October 2017 19: 19 New
                11
                210ox
                The saddest thing is that this nonsense finds its followers. And there are a lot of them .. So we can say that they express the opinion of some part of the people.
                Not somehow, but the extremist part of the fooled people. Indeed, the manipulative Harvard ideology of Milton Friedman with his monetarism - individual selfish overconsumption and the pursuit of profits, as well as the anarchist elimination of the national state, as such, is, in principle, now in Russia and throughout the world, the state ideology of the Russian Federation, as the ideology of the world financial capital represented by the Rothschild and Co. clan in the US Federal Reserve.
                The HSE of the Russian Federation ideologically brings up their colonial US administration for Russia and its collapse.
                Here they are marketers - Brzezinski, Dunya Smirnov (wife of Chubais), Chubais, Nabiulina, Kudrin - at the same table in 2012.

                Dunya (Avdotya Smirnova, Sobchak’s girlfriend), Chubais’s wife, now headed the election headquarters of Ksyuhi Sobchak (or something like that) in the presidential elections in the Russian Federation. Consider that Chubais is financing Ksenia Sobchak!
                1. Sinbad
                  Sinbad 26 October 2017 20: 21 New
                  13
                  Eh, this machine gun picture is not enough.
                  1. PFT
                    PFT 27 October 2017 12: 19 New
                    +2
                    So these are all Jews, look, otherwise they will ascribe to you something .... and will be banned forever.
                2. tank64rus
                  tank64rus 26 October 2017 20: 22 New
                  +3
                  And now the table is a simple Russian pensioner with his family.
                3. skazochnik
                  skazochnik 26 October 2017 22: 52 New
                  12
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  Here they are marketers - Brzezinski, Dunya Smirnova (wife of Chubais), Chubais, Nabiulina, Kudrin - at the same table in 2012


                  As for Brzezinski, you were mistaken, this is Kissinger, his mother.
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 26 October 2017 23: 53 New
                    +3
                    skazochnik
                    As for Brzezinski, you were mistaken, this is Kissinger, his mother.
                    Thank you, Storyteller, for your attention! You're right! Yes exactly! This is Henry Kissinger! hi
                    I somehow did not immediately make out!
            2. Logall
              Logall 26 October 2017 18: 59 New
              20
              Tatyana hi love
              In the State Duma, all are nonsense!
              United Russia-This is a hotbed of idle talk, bribery, disregard, etc. before the guarantor! Where even smart and competent people get involved, they dissolve in all this satanism ...
            3. Thrall
              Thrall 26 October 2017 19: 00 New
              11
              Be sure to rebury right after Vladimir Volfovich.
              We got political freaks from the LDPR already.
              1. stas
                stas 26 October 2017 20: 00 New
                +3
                But Zhirik was the first, and his freak party itself would fall apart
                1. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 26 October 2017 21: 57 New
                  +9
                  in 1917 done away with. "stas,
                  D 1992 gentlemen are back. And now, gentlemen, and the chief among them is Mr. Putin, who despises Lenin by hanging the Mausoleum, and who, even with a hint, will not mark the centenary of the Great Socialist October Revolution.
                  1. Victor-M
                    Victor-M 26 October 2017 23: 31 New
                    +6
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    D 1992 gentlemen are back. And now gentlemen, and the main among them is Mr. Putin, who despises Lenin

                    You like today's Ukraine, that's exactly the way Lenin and Russia turned into a toilet.
                    1. Gardamir
                      Gardamir 27 October 2017 07: 38 New
                      +6
                      You like today's Ukraine, that's exactly the way Lenin and Russia turned into a toilet.
                      You see from the gentlemen! The current Ukrainian oligarchs have turned Ukraine into a toilet. And for people like you, on a special show, they’re talking about which Ukrainians are stupid and how good it is in Russia.
                  2. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 27 October 2017 11: 09 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    chief among them is Mr. Putin, who despises Lenin

                    President of Russia and his views-CHOICE of the people of Russiawhich is required respect every. Whether some individual likes it or not.
          2. Esoteric
            Esoteric 26 October 2017 19: 04 New
            +3
            Quote: Logall
            Drive them out, and whom to leave? Who should be there?

            No one. Laws can be prepared by the legislature from those appointed by the president, and he should only sign them. At least there will be someone to ask ...
            1. Logall
              Logall 26 October 2017 19: 13 New
              14
              Empower the president with the king? One hundred years after ...
              Below slaves, slaves of goodwill!
              1. stas
                stas 26 October 2017 20: 04 New
                +3
                So we have already been made economic slaves against our will.
                The power in Russia belongs to the people, which are turned into slaves to the will of the king.
                The shortest joke is that the power belongs to the people, but only one king believes in it (pretends to believe), and then he laughs.
                Whoever believes in this lie, except for the king.
                1. Logall
                  Logall 26 October 2017 21: 22 New
                  +9
                  Quote: stas
                  So we have already been made economic slaves against our will.

                  I sincerely empathize with you!
                  And how many of you, a lot?
                  1. stas
                    stas 26 October 2017 21: 26 New
                    +5
                    We don’t need to feel sorry, the time will come we will not regret you for sure.
                    But you are worse than those, you are from the Zhirik party.
                    And leave your regrets to yourself, but they are unlikely to help you ........ They are corrected at the graveyard.
                    1. Logall
                      Logall 26 October 2017 21: 41 New
                      +9
                      No need to poke, this shows your level of education!
                      I'm not from the Zhirinovsky party! I’m not from any party at all. I was just interested in the question: Why do some balabol need to be driven, but not others?
                      I just feel sorry for people who think they are slaves! After all, they are forced into slaves! And in imaginary slaves Voluntarily, independently!
                      Good luck, Django!
                      1. stas
                        stas 26 October 2017 21: 44 New
                        +5
                        And you, in multiple faces that would be on you.
                        You are you in the singular and person. The rules of the Russian language.
                        And if you are the master of you, then you have finished the gentlemen in 1917.
                    2. Logall
                      Logall 26 October 2017 21: 52 New
                      13
                      Quote: stas
                      The rules of the Russian language.

                      So there are also etiquette rules! Apparently you weren’t taught this ...
                      It is precisely because of the ill-mannered units that they consider us Russians as `` unwashed Russia ''!
                      And rudeness is a sign of weakness, self-doubt ...
                      1. stas
                        stas 26 October 2017 22: 20 New
                        +1
                        Well, you're a weirdo like Zhirik.
                        When they hit r ... and insult it is not a weakness. Democrats know this.
          3. Pirogov
            Pirogov 26 October 2017 20: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: Logall
            And someone has the opposite opinion! Otherwise, explain their presence in the State Duma?
            Drive them out, and whom to leave? Who should be there?

            I think this question needs to be raised in the presidential election, or the Duma. Let the people decide.
            1. telobezumnoe
              telobezumnoe 27 October 2017 10: 04 New
              +1
              Imagine if the people chose the head of the Academy of Sciences too. the people are incompetent in such difficult issues, they will choose the one who will be shown in the right light on TV, and there will be a character for each target audience
          4. kapitan92
            kapitan92 27 October 2017 00: 34 New
            +7
            Quote: Logall
            And someone has the opposite opinion!

            It’s time to remove all this “cemetery” from Red Square. starting from this mummy in the mausoleum, and to do all this at the expense of Zyuganov’s party.
            1. Don
              Don 27 October 2017 08: 21 New
              +2
              Quote: kapitan92
              It’s time to remove all this “cemetery” from Red Square. starting from this mummy in the mausoleum, and to do all this at the expense of Zyuganov’s party.

              Do not wait, the time will come and the people will regain power in the country. Your anger will be silent empty, your tongue will die ...
            2. Olgovich
              Olgovich 27 October 2017 11: 18 New
              +2
              Quote: kapitan92
              Quote: Logall
              And someone has the opposite opinion!

              It’s time to remove all this “cemetery” from Red Square. starting from this mummy in the mausoleum, and to do all this at the expense of Zyuganov’s party.

              It will be so, but a little later, generations of sincerely revered this are still alive, they do not want to hurt them.
              But the majority are those who know the real history of the country. They will solve it.
              1. Pancir026
                Pancir026 27 October 2017 11: 24 New
                +3
                Quote: Olgovich
                But the majority are those who know the true history of the country.

                You are the majority. Do not belong.
                W. Schubart in his famous book “Europe and the Soul of the East” (1938) writes how the Soviet project in the West was perceived then: “The most fateful result of the 1914 war is not the defeat of Germany, not the collapse of the Habsburg monarchy, not the growth of the colonial power of England and France, but the birth of Bolshevism, with which the struggle between Asia and Europe is entering a new phase ... And the question is not in the form of: The Third Reich or Third International and not fascism or Bolshevism? It is a matter of a global historical clash between the continent of Europe and the continent of Russia ... "
                Many of the motives that led to the Civil War in 1918 were revived in the 80s of the XX century. and led to the fall of the USSR already in the cold civil war, which was combined with the cold external war of the West against the USSR.
                You and others like you, including LDPR accomplices of the West in the split of the country.
        2. BMP-2
          BMP-2 26 October 2017 19: 53 New
          +5
          I’m wondering: Boris Chernyshov categorizes himself as a victim or a catastrophe? request
        3. Antianglosax
          Antianglosax 27 October 2017 08: 00 New
          +6
          Quote: stas
          It's time for this party of clown Zhirik
          drive out of the State Duma.

          A populist party of opportunists and balabol. Its benefits are zero, one self-PR. However, how one must be mentally disabled to offer such things in such a difficult period for the Fatherland! Although the LDPR is the same as the EP - a side view.
        4. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 27 October 2017 10: 29 New
          +2
          Quote: stas
          The only thing Zhirik does according to the plan of the authorities is that he takes away votes from the Communist Party, and Zyuganov only peacefully grumbles on TV and plays along with EP.

          Both of them must be driven and Zhirinovsky and opportunist Zyuganov. They are both corrupt marketers.
          1. stas
            stas 27 October 2017 12: 23 New
            +3
            In this situation, Zyuganov is even worse than Zhirik.
            Zhirik the clown and corrupt politician, and Zyuganov betrayed the party and the people who voted for the Communist Party.
            We must fight for power, and not just grumble on TV.
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 27 October 2017 14: 09 New
              +1
              We must fight for power, and not just grumble on TV.
              I agree. He could restore respect for himself if he stepped down from the leadership and invited someone to the polls. Otherwise, nothing will remain of the party in five years.
      2. garnik
        garnik 26 October 2017 18: 21 New
        +9
        You should not touch the people buried near the walls of the Kremlin, but Lenin, as one of the instigators of the collapse of Russia, must be buried in a Christian way. Although what a Christian he is. A man who wanted to transfer all power to Trotsky, thanks to Stalin for taking control of the state in his own hands, thereby prolonging the existence of the former power of RI.
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 26 October 2017 18: 27 New
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          Quote: garnik
          as one of the instigators of the collapse of Russia should be buried in a Christian way.

          To Kolenka Romanov and the Provisional Government, headed by Kerensky, as I understand it, you have no complaints.
          1. garnik
            garnik 26 October 2017 19: 02 New
            +1
            First of all, claims (the language does not turn) to the Emperor of Russia Nikolai2. With such rulers, the whole riffraff is torn to the top. In 90g. we again stepped on a rake.
            One person should not make crucial decisions for the country.
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 26 October 2017 19: 35 New
              +8
              Quote: garnik
              First of all, claims (the language does not turn) to the Emperor of Russia Nikolai2.

              So, he made the ROC with the filing of the authorities as martyrs, and Lenin means we will drag it back and forth.
              I see injustice here. As for me, it's better not to touch both.
              And then it will be like in the cartoon from the Yeltsin Center — all the rulers are Russian bloodsuckers, and the holy Yeltsin saved the Russian people from the bloody commies.

              So, here you have to live in city-states, bp.
          2. tol100v
            tol100v 26 October 2017 19: 14 New
            +1
            Quote: Gray Brother
            To Kolenka Romanov and the Provisional Government, headed by Kerensky, as I understand it, you have no complaints.

            There are always questions, and to everyone, but probably not worth it!
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 26 October 2017 20: 33 New
              +8
              Quote: Tol100v
              There are always questions, and to everyone, but probably not worth it!

              Familiarize yourself? I did not catch the moment.
              Are you talking about Kolenka or something? Well, specially for you I’ll write as it should - Nikolai the Bloody.
          3. Dart2027
            Dart2027 26 October 2017 19: 56 New
            +3
            Quote: Gray Brother
            To Kolenka Romanov

            In fact, the Russian tsars did not build themselves mausoleums with the body on display.
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 26 October 2017 20: 25 New
              10
              Quote: Dart2027
              In fact, the Russian tsars did not build themselves mausoleums with the body on display.

              Lenin also did not build a mausoleum for himself.
              But the kings in the temples were buried, they thought that so they could get rid of hell.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 26 October 2017 21: 05 New
                +2
                Quote: Gray Brother
                But the kings in the temples were buried

                A temple is not a display of the body for all to see.
                Quote: Gray Brother
                they thought that they could do the same from hell.

                That is, do you believe in hell? Well then tell me, where do you think the finished atheist and zealous fighter with religion Lenin should have gotten?
                1. Gray brother
                  Gray brother 26 October 2017 22: 42 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Well then tell me, where do you think the finished atheist and zealous fighter with religion Lenin should have gotten?

                  All rulers go to hell without exception. It’s impossible not to get your hands dirty when in power.
            2. stas
              stas 26 October 2017 21: 35 New
              +2
              And those Russian blood with each new tsar was less and less.
              While they themselves have renounced the Russian government.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 26 October 2017 22: 12 New
                +1
                Quote: stas
                And those of Russian blood
                However, they did not turn their bodies into objects of worship.
                Quote: stas
                While they themselves have renounced the Russian government.
                After Nicholas II was trapped by the conspirators.
        2. 34 region
          34 region 26 October 2017 18: 51 New
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          18.21. Garnik! Well! The struggle against the monuments of the Soviet past is taking place not only in Europe and Ukraine, but also in Russia itself! What will happen next? Will our history go from 1913-1917 and immediately 1991-1993? Although it’s interesting. After the 17th, the Bolsheviks gathered the Empire, and did not drag them into different apartments. But after the years 91-93, the whole Empire went to dust! And after the 17th, the Bolsheviks had no desire to integrate into the economy of the West on their terms. There was no desire to integrate into the 41st. And in the 45th, even part of Europe was integrated into the Empire. Today is the opposite. They run ahead of their pants to quickly integrate into their system. What? Will we demolish Soviet monuments and the mausoleum as symbols of inflexibility to the world of capital? Soviet symbols are already almost crowded out. Remained as on the outskirts, to demolish everything else?
          1. garnik
            garnik 26 October 2017 20: 25 New
            +7
            The Bolsheviks started a war with the monuments of Russian history. But our common history will not go anywhere, only we need to draw conclusions, while there is still something to lose.
            I think that those soldiers who opposed the Bolsheviks were also for Russia with the borders of the Russian Empire. And the Bolsheviks divided the single state into small republics, thereby provoking further disintegration.
            My father, until the end of his sigh, considered himself a communist and did not refuse a membership card, although I tried to explain what was happening, he remained unconvinced. Nobody wants to cross out his past, there is no need to rush history (at the expense of the mausoleum) over time will fall into place.
            1. kirgiz58
              kirgiz58 26 October 2017 21: 35 New
              12
              Quote: garnik
              although I tried to explain what's what

              What did you try to explain? Is capitalism fair to man? What imperialism is the salvation of mankind from wars? Or is tolerance a solution to all the problems of humanity? With your father, I would go into intelligence, but not with you. All the best.
              1. garnik
                garnik 26 October 2017 22: 58 New
                0
                Each system has its pros and cons. I will not philosophize on this subject. There is one thing, if you have been accustomed to work from childhood and you rely only on yourself, then you do not care who is in power. And father is a saint to me.
                And I reject the Communists because of their role in relation to my historical Motherland, and to Russia itself.
              2. Don
                Don 27 October 2017 08: 30 New
                +1
                Quote: kirgiz58
                With your father, I would go for reconnaissance, but not with you

                good I join!
            2. Gray brother
              Gray brother 26 October 2017 22: 47 New
              +9
              Quote: garnik
              I think that those soldiers who opposed the Bolsheviks were also for Russia with the borders of the Russian Empire.

              The whole white movement was tarnished by cooperation with the interventionists, and later with the fascists. They defended their noble preferences, not the country.
              1. garnik
                garnik 27 October 2017 00: 07 New
                0
                Not all, of course, many wanted to return all that was lost and robbed under the Soviet regime. After all, they regarded the Germans as liberators from the Communists, and not as occupiers. They can be understood, but not forgiven.
            3. 34 region
              34 region 27 October 2017 11: 04 New
              +1
              20.05. Garnik! Amazing The Bolsheviks demolished all the monuments !? But what about the Kremlin, the Winter Church, the monument to Peter? Today, the monuments remaining after the autocracy and the Bolsheviks are shown and they claim that the Bolsheviks destroyed everything! Yeah! Divided into national republics !? And under the king of nationalities was not ?! It turns out that raising and developing the outskirts of the country is bad? Is it necessary today to develop only Moscow?
              1. garnik
                garnik 27 October 2017 13: 03 New
                0
                And who do you think demolished monuments, churches? True, something remains, but this is a small part of what was, and what was left, and those were used for other purposes.
                Once again, I was born in Turkmenistan and found it when the inhabitants of the cities were mostly Russians, Armenians and Persians (Turkic-speaking), and the natives settled on the outskirts. So, the Russians were mostly immigrants from the Saratov province and they lived from pre-revolutionary times. This applies to the city in which I was born Kizyl-Arvat. And just before the revolution they raised and developed the outskirts, along with the Armenians. Yes, there were times when friendship was valued no matter who you are by nationality.
                As for nationalities. Under the Empire, Russia was pursuing an assimilation policy, but now you can see for yourself. If Russia does not resume this policy, then internal strife awaits it. In principle, it is already happening between Tatarstan and Moscow.
          2. poquello
            poquello 26 October 2017 21: 59 New
            +2
            Quote: Region 34
            The struggle against the monuments of the Soviet past is taking place not only in Europe and Ukraine, but also in Russia itself!

            eats a lot of your monument
        3. NEXUS
          NEXUS 26 October 2017 19: 26 New
          +5
          Quote: garnik
          as one of the instigators of the collapse of Russia should be buried in a Christian way.

          All the time I ask myself one question about this — A WE ARE ORTHODOX OR PAGAN, AS MAYA OR INCA? What is the worship of a corpse that has not been allowed to decay for a hundred years? They built a pyramid in the middle of the country and laid a rotting corpse and have been arguing for a hundred years whether or not to bury.
          Let us then change our faith, to pagan, we will worship the god of RA, SETU and OSIRIS, and then everything will become logical.
          1. 79807420129
            79807420129 26 October 2017 19: 48 New
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            Quote: NEXUS
            What is the worship of a corpse that has not been allowed to decay for a hundred years?

            We didn’t put them, it’s not for us to dig them out, they dig out Kaczynski’s dummies, they can’t calm down, since they’ve already dug 46, the monuments have been demolished with the “bros” along with the memory, which is better if we use it this way . what
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 26 October 2017 19: 56 New
              +3
              Quote: 79807420129
              than we are better then if we will handle memory like this.

              Do you know how to read? I'm not talking about the Mausoleum, but specifically about the corpse rotting in it. Do you worship Set, or Osiris? What nonsense, in an Orthodox country, put the body in a pyramid and worship it?
              1. 79807420129
                79807420129 26 October 2017 20: 07 New
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                Quote: NEXUS
                Do you know how to read? I'm not talking about the Mausoleum, but specifically about the corpse rotting in it. Do you worship Set, or Osiris? What nonsense, in an Orthodox country, put the body in a pyramid and worship it?

                Yes, I’m only worshiping our family, we didn’t lie down and don’t dig us out, the communists want to pray on him, let them pray, what’s bothering someone? And what does faith have to do with it? Someone is an Orthodox Christian, someone is a Catholic, someone a Muslim shiite someone Sunni , each has its own faith.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 26 October 2017 20: 12 New
                  +3
                  Quote: 79807420129
                  And where does faith come from? Someone is an Orthodox Christian, someone is a Catholic, someone is a Shiite Muslim, someone is Sunni, each has his own faith.

                  Yes, because if Russia were a pagan state, where people worship many gods, if they would not build mosques with temples, but pyramids, then there would be no questions at all. And then they put the “pharaoh” into the pyramid and sit rowing, bury or not. Muslims, Catholics, Orthodox, Jews store corpses in the pyramids?
                  1. dauria
                    dauria 26 October 2017 21: 12 New
                    +6
                    And then they put the "pharaoh" into the pyramid and sit rowing, whether to bury or not.


                    Italians advise Nicholas the Wonderworker to "baptize" Christianly. And then they stole it, store it, put it on display ...
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 26 October 2017 21: 18 New
                      +3
                      Quote: dauria
                      Italians advise Nicholas the Wonderworker to "baptize" Christianly. And then they stole it, store it, put it on display ...

                      Seriously? Nikolai the Miracle Worker is canonized for a moment and is a saint. In addition, in Bari, the relics of St. Nicholas are represented by one left rib.
                      Quote: dauria
                      And then they stole it, store it, put it on display ...

                      About how ... can I find out the details of the theft?
                      1. dauria
                        dauria 26 October 2017 21: 24 New
                        +4
                        Seriously? Nikolai the Miracle Worker is canonized for a moment and is a saint


                        Seriously ? And I thought that the Russian Federation was a secular state. And whom should I consider holy as priests?
                        About how ... can I find out the details of the theft?


                        And where and how did the Italians take the bones of the corpse, in your opinion? Well, not theft, robbery and flight with the loot. I am not a lawyer. laughing
                      2. sergo1914
                        sergo1914 27 October 2017 12: 37 New
                        +1
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        Nicholas the Wonderworker is canonized for a moment and is a saint


                        Oh, these schoolchildren ... How canoned it? They shot them from a cannon?
                    2. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 27 October 2017 12: 56 New
                      +2
                      Quote: sergo1914
                      Oh, these schoolchildren ...

                      Are you about yourself?
                      Quote: sergo1914
                      Is it canonized? They shot them from a cannon?

                      In the Catholic and Orthodox Churches, reckoning of saints means that the Church testifies to the proximity of these people to God and prays to them as their patrons.

                      This is for schoolchildren. hi
                      1. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 27 October 2017 14: 34 New
                        0
                        Canonization (from Lat. Canonizatio - take it as a rule) is the process of ranking someone as a saint in a Christian church.
                        GUNNER
                        Male gender

                        In the tsarist army: private artillery.
              2. sabakina
                sabakina 26 October 2017 20: 08 New
                11
                Andrey, V.I. Lenin lies below the surface of the earth? All! The question is closed. Only he is open who you would be if Lenin weren’t!
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 26 October 2017 20: 16 New
                  +2
                  Quote: sabakina
                  Andrey, V.I. Lenin lies below the surface of the earth?

                  Lies, but not buried. That is, there is a place to be a pagan rite. Or say that Muslims or Orthodox with Jews so bury the dead?
                  Quote: sabakina
                  All! The question is closed.

                  It will be closed the moment the body is buried.
                  Quote: sabakina
                  who would you be if Lenin weren’t!

                  In the rhetoric and fantasies on the topic, so that if only, let's not swim.
                  1. sabakina
                    sabakina 26 October 2017 20: 26 New
                    +7
                    Andrei, can we recall the story of the Altai princess who was seized from the sarcophagus and why did Stalin order the mummy to be replaced?
                    "There is, friend of Horatio, that which is not known to us."
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 26 October 2017 20: 31 New
                      +2
                      Quote: sabakina
                      Andrei, can we recall the story of the Altai princess who was seized from the sarcophagus and why did Stalin order the mummy to be replaced?

                      True ... but they did not go to worship her, and no one embalmed her. The body decayed and was buried. What can not be said about Lenin.
                      1. sabakina
                        sabakina 26 October 2017 20: 45 New
                        +8
                        Andrei, do you really don’t see a parallel or are you fooling around?
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              3. freddyk
                freddyk 26 October 2017 20: 24 New
                +7
                And who told you that we have an Orthodox country? Or do you want to believe in it. I completely agree with Vladimir Ilyich, the religion of opium for the people.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 26 October 2017 20: 29 New
                  +3
                  Quote: freddyk
                  And who told you that we have an Orthodox country?

                  And in what religion in our country is there such a tradition and custom to build a pyramid for a corpse and worship it? I am very interested to know ..
                  Quote: freddyk
                  I completely agree with Vladimir Ilyich, the religion of opium for the people.

                  However, this figure was buried according to pagan custom. Under communism, like the Indians, it’s not the president, not the leader, but the leader. At the same time, there is Lenin. Okurat as Incas or Mayans.
                  1. bk316
                    bk316 26 October 2017 20: 57 New
                    +5
                    And in what religion in our country is there such a tradition and custom to build a pyramid for a corpse and worship it?

                    You yourself know the answer to this question: in the communist religion. Not only Lenin built a mausoleum.
                    The reason is that scientific atheism simply could not fill the "hole" that arose in people from the destruction of religion. Something was necessary for the collective unconscious, so the mausoleum with the sarcophagus and the mummy got into a fuss. It turned out that the people don’t want to demolish, they can’t explain why, but they don’t want, this is the collective unconscious basis of religion ..
                  2. poquello
                    poquello 26 October 2017 22: 10 New
                    +1
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    Under communism, like the Indians, it’s not the president, not the leader, but the leader. At the same time, there is Lenin. Okurat as Incas or Mayans.

                    +)))))))))) laughed
                  3. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 27 October 2017 14: 37 New
                    +1
                    And why did the pagans not please you?
              4. notingem
                notingem 27 October 2017 00: 08 New
                +2
                And you do not worship and everything is fine. Or worry about the Gentiles. By the way, the Constitution also guarantees the rights of the Gentiles
          2. Dart2027
            Dart2027 26 October 2017 19: 59 New
            +1
            Quote: NEXUS
            WE ARE ORTHODOX OR PAGAN AS MAYA OR INCA

            In fact, Lenin has nothing to do with Orthodoxy.
            Actually - this is the funniest. Indeed, according to the same Lenin, there is no God, and religion is just a drug. And now his body, although there is already little left of the original composition, stands for actually religious worship.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 26 October 2017 20: 06 New
              +3
              Quote: Dart2027
              In fact, Lenin has nothing to do with Orthodoxy.

              Actually, he lies in the very heart of the country. What does his involvement in Orthodoxy have to do with it? What country do we have? Ancient Egypt? Or maybe we are the Incas?
              Quote: Dart2027
              And now his body, although there is already little left of the original composition, stands for actually religious worship.

              I repeat the question, Lenin-Pharaoh, and we are pagans Egyptians? From which vegetable in the Orthodox country is this discussed at all? The body, according to the Orthodox custom, must be buried. Point. And architecture, of course, will remain, since it is our history.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 26 October 2017 20: 12 New
                +2
                Quote: NEXUS
                What does his involvement in Orthodoxy? What country do we have?

                The fact of the matter is that no. I mean, a pagan idol was really made of it (body), if you call a spade a spade.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 26 October 2017 20: 17 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  I mean, a pagan idol was really made of it (body), if you call a spade a spade.

                  And I'm not talking about that? The body lies in a pyramid. An occult remained in the god Seth and Osiris to begin to believe.
              2. cuzmin.mihail2013
                cuzmin.mihail2013 28 October 2017 07: 39 New
                0
                [quote] [From which vegetable in the Orthodox country is it generally discussed / quote]
            2. poquello
              poquello 26 October 2017 22: 13 New
              +1
              Quote: Dart2027
              his body, although there is already little left of the original composition, stands for actual religious worship.

              what nah worship? Kunstkamera long ago
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 26 October 2017 23: 04 New
                +3
                Quote: poquello
                Kunstkamera long ago

                I don’t know how it is now, but during the USSR it was just an object of worship.
                1. poquello
                  poquello 27 October 2017 02: 27 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Quote: poquello
                  Kunstkamera long ago

                  I don’t know how it is now, but during the USSR it was just an object of worship.

                  in the days of the USSR, it was a religion that denied other religious areas by the method of atheism and propagated its only true doctrine of Marxism-Leninism, the brains of children were baked from the lower grades
            3. myam
              myam 27 October 2017 01: 07 New
              +6
              How did this controversy get it:
              1. Lenin was buried in this way.
              Lies 2 meters below ground level. Even the Russian Orthodox Church has no complaints about such a burial.
              http://nikolay-siya.livejournal.com/598206.html
              2. Christianity is not ORTHODOX but RIGHT (ORTHODOX). The Orthodox was precisely Paganism, which, unfortunately, our ancestors refused.
              3. Do not take Lenin’s phrases out of context.
              Ilyich called the optimum for the people of religion not as a stupefying means, but as an analgesic from the oppression of the exploiters. Agree, a completely different meaning.
              https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%BF%D0%B
              8%D1%83%D0%BC_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B
              0
            4. mat-vey
              mat-vey 27 October 2017 14: 39 New
              0
              And what supernatural forces does Lenin personify?
          3. Krabik
            Krabik 26 October 2017 20: 34 New
            +9
            But here the question arises, and worship of Jesus crucified on the cross - is it not pagan customs ?!
            But what about the Bible with your do not make yourself an idol ?!
            And the story of the introduction of Western religion in our state by the Prince of the Red Sun (like Yeltsin, as I understand it) ?!

            So for me, Christianity laid the first shoots of slavery in the Slavic peoples.

            I offer worship to the god of RA since purely scientific - this is the real god of our universe, and not the Roman fake crucified on the cross!
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 26 October 2017 20: 43 New
              +2
              Quote: Krabik
              But here the question arises, and worship of Jesus crucified on the cross - is it not pagan customs ?!

              Oh how ... but excuse me, where is the grave of Jesus? And the second ... and who was buried according to pagan custom, what can one recognize in Christianity?
              Quote: Krabik
              But what about the Bible with your do not make yourself an idol ?!

              No need to pull words out of context ...
              may you have no other gods before me. Do not make yourself an idol or any image of what is in the sky above, what is on the earth below, and what is in the water below the earth

              Here's how it sounds ..
              Quote: Krabik
              And the story of the introduction of Western religion in our state by the Prince of the Red Sun (like Yeltsin, as I understand it) ?!

              Implementation or voluntary adoption?
              1. Krabik
                Krabik 26 October 2017 20: 59 New
                +5
                The prince voluntarily accepted the religion from his wife, and the rest accepted it or hung on its hind legs;)

                I’m more interested in something else, if you are a patriot, as it were, then in theory you should observe the customs of your people, and not be a henchman of Western civilization.

                How to combine patriotism with Christianity in your head ?!

                How do you feel about the commandment with a cheek stand ?!

                Why are you selectively patriotic and don't love Obama ?!
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 26 October 2017 21: 09 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Krabik
                  if you are a patriot, as it were, then in theory you should observe the customs of your people, and not be a henchman of Western civilization.

                  Did Christianity come from the West or from the East?
                  Quote: Krabik
                  How to combine patriotism with Christianity in your head ?!

                  It goes very well ... remind you of two monks - Oslyabya and Peresvet?
                  Quote: Krabik
                  How do you feel about the commandment with a cheek stand ?!

                  Heresy again ... that's how it sounds in the original source ...
                  The command to “turn the other cheek” in the Bible does not existbut such words do exist. They were spoken by Jesus Christ in the Sermon on the Mount. This place sounds like this: “You heard what is said:“ an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth ”. But I tell you: do not resist evil. But whoever hits you on your right cheek, turn to him another; and whoever wants to sue you and take a shirt from you, give him your outerwear as well; and whoever compels you to go one field with him, go two with him ”(Matthew 5: 38-41).

                  From the immediate context it is clear that the main thing here is not Christ's appeal to “turn the other cheek”, but the establishment of a new commandment (“do not resist evil”) instead of the old one (“an eye for an eye”).

                  Quote: Krabik
                  Why are you selectively patriotic and don't love Obama ?!

                  What does Obama have to do with Christianity? What side is he here?
                  1. Krabik
                    Krabik 26 October 2017 21: 31 New
                    +6
                    How Obama is just the most important%)

                    You don’t like Kudrin, who offers to give all the money to the United States.

                    But at the same time, believe the western god imposed by fire and sword.
                    Which was introduced through the prince to the drunkard and his wife.
                    How many souls have they tortured while this enemy religion has settled down and the people are measured ?!

                    But so far, we have holidays of Ivan Kupalo and pancakes, clever priests decided to smear a little under the Slavic customs and pretend to be chameleons since they didn’t succeed in completely etching the Slavic holidays.

                    Then Obama pops up.
                    If you can worship the illegitimate Jew Jesus, then why don't you bow to Obama?

                    In the words of Jesus "turn the other cheek"%)
          4. Don
            Don 27 October 2017 08: 49 New
            +2
            Quote: NEXUS
            What is the worship of a corpse that has not been allowed to decay for a hundred years?

            This is not corpse worship. This is a “living" memory of how the PEOPLE were able to free themselves and half of humanity from slavery, how they built with their own hands a great country that all capitalist ghouls were afraid of. A man is not so smart as to calculate everything, but he has learned to cognize certain things of an event by comparison. Looking at today's Russia and the Soviet Union, people who lived in that era see an unprecedented robbery of the country with a handful of people who seized power, and the worst thing is they see the enormous moral decline of modern citizens. No matter how many people try to convince them that at that time it was bad, and today freedom, they understand that this is a lie. And Lenin and Stalin for them is like Christ for Christians.
          5. telobezumnoe
            telobezumnoe 27 October 2017 10: 25 New
            +1
            and that the Orthodox with the relics of "saints" do not rush through the streets? don’t arrange the passageways? don’t store the corpses in parts in different shrines for all to see? Do not kiss the boxes in which these relics are stored?
        4. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 27 October 2017 10: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: garnik
          You should not touch the people buried near the walls of the Kremlin, but Lenin, as one of the instigators of the collapse of Russia, must be buried in a Christian way.

          And let us ourselves, without any petty-bourgeois Armenian Dashnaks there, we will decide what to do?
        5. Pancir026
          Pancir026 27 October 2017 10: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: garnik
          but Lenin, as one of the instigators of the collapse of Russia, must be buried in a Christian way.

          Yes? Exactly? And you will immediately heal in the country with rivers of jelly and gingerbread banks, arable land of chocolate and bushes with marmalade?
          Go and learn, Lenin is buried in accordance with traditions. Everything, period. Reasoning for some kind of "Christ ..." reasoning from stupidity.
          Quote: garnik
          A man who wanted to transfer all power to Trotsky,

          Lying.
          Quote: garnik
          Thanks to Stalin for taking control of the state

          Unlike you, Stalin knew who Lenin was and the price to Trotsky, in the end, Stalin relied on Lenin, sending an ice ax to Trotsky as a gift. And you ... you just gathered Trotsky’s gossip about Lenin into a heap, fused them with no less than nonsense liberals , stirring mashed ostensibly Christianity and in the end .. got a very, very indigestible brew of empty words and meaningless speculation.
      3. Lavrenti Pavlovich
        Lavrenti Pavlovich 26 October 2017 19: 00 New
        12
        Quote: OFFICE-M
        Yes, there you can bury half of the State Duma .. Chatterboxes and old-timers! If it were not for Lenin and Stalin, they would wash the latrines to the West for a piece of bread ..

        And bury the floor of the Duma alive. The same Europe, which boasts a high standard of living, is indebted to the USSR. After the Second World War, the imperialists were really afraid of a revolution in their countries and were forced to raise the standard of living of their workers. In no country in the world has so much been done for ordinary people as in the USSR, free education, free medicine, the right to work ... Under Stalin, the Supreme Soviet of the USSR was represented by deputies from all walks of life, moreover, these deputies were really chosen and they worked for people, and not how they are buying this mandate now, in order to receive immunity and protect their stolen money and business. Almost every State Duma deputy is the owner or shareholder of a bank or large enterprise. Envious people always try to throw mud at the most prominent rulers of Russia (Ivan the Terrible - “bloody ruler”; Peter the Great - “how many people he killed, he didn’t spare his sister”; Stalin and Beria - “dictators, torturing and killing people is a favorite pastime”). Without such Great Rulers, Russia simply would not have been on the world map. No matter how the current scribblers of Lenin said, but in 1917 the majority of the people followed him, otherwise the army of workers and peasants would defeat the regular troops and the Entente. The largest army in Europe, the French, fell before Hitler in a month, and dictator Stalin entered Berlin in 1945. There is no escape from the facts. If something happens, Zhirik with his party will be forgotten in a maximum of a year, and even now no one takes seriously - the party of the clown.
      4. MrK
        MrK 26 October 2017 20: 00 New
        14
        Quote: OFFICE-M
        If not for Lenin and Stalin, they would wash the latrines to the West for a piece of bread


        Well, as you do not understand. If Lenin is reburied, then in Russia right there:
        - corruption, kickbacks, cuts and theft of budget money will disappear.
        - pensions will triple.
        - The number of modern plants will increase by a factor of 100 and, as Putin promised, 20 million high-tech jobs will appear.
        - the teacher’s salary will be such that the competition for the place of mathematics is 15 people.
        - in a year they will start distributing apartments for free. Etc.
        So friends are all behind the shovels and running to dig a grave for Lenin. And do not grumble figs. Or do you all get 500 thousand per month?
        1. sergo1914
          sergo1914 27 October 2017 08: 48 New
          +3
          Quote: mrark
          Quote: OFFICE-M
          If not for Lenin and Stalin, they would wash the latrines to the West for a piece of bread


          Well, as you do not understand. If Lenin is reburied, then in Russia right there:
          - corruption, kickbacks, cuts and theft of budget money will disappear.
          - pensions will triple.
          - The number of modern plants will increase by a factor of 100 and, as Putin promised, 20 million high-tech jobs will appear.
          - the teacher’s salary will be such that the competition for the place of mathematics is 15 people.
          - in a year they will start distributing apartments for free. Etc.
          So friends are all behind the shovels and running to dig a grave for Lenin. And do not grumble figs. Or do you all get 500 thousand per month?


          Plus. The most adequate commentary on the article.
          PS The movement around the Mausoleum is incomprehensible. Can Vovchik prepare a place for himself?
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 27 October 2017 10: 34 New
            0
            Quote: sergo1914
            The movement around the Mausoleum is incomprehensible. Can Vovchik prepare a place for himself?

            What is incomprehensible here? Political according to Lenin voices the will of their masters who want to legitimize the robbery of the 90s.
      5. Smog
        Smog 26 October 2017 20: 11 New
        +5
        Quote: OFFICE-M
        Yes, there you can bury half of the State Duma

        And this will in no way affect her work. And it is quite possible that it will improve the results. Maybe the laws are normal and will be accepted in full.
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 26 October 2017 18: 08 New
      15
      Wouldn’t it be better to bury the LDPR chairman so that he doesn’t “ring” the matyuga on all talk shows? bully No sense from his ringing except fun for housewives?
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 26 October 2017 18: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        except fun for housewives?

        Recently, he has passed a lot, there’s no enthusiasm anymore, to rest him.
        1. igorj 51
          igorj 51 26 October 2017 18: 44 New
          0
          Recently, he has passed a lot, there’s no enthusiasm anymore, to rest him.

          Yesterday, only on the transfer of Solovyov, he showed his enthusiasm ...
          1. stas
            stas 26 October 2017 18: 50 New
            +3
            Zhirik showed his stupidity, unless he promised every woman a peasant.
            I personally heard this speech before 8 March.
            And now he began to refuse and was offended by his own stupidity
          2. Gray brother
            Gray brother 26 October 2017 18: 53 New
            +1
            Цитата: igorj 51
            Yesterday, only on the transfer of Solovyov, he showed his enthusiasm ...

            Checked out. No, it’s not that anymore.
            1. igorj 51
              igorj 51 26 October 2017 19: 57 New
              0
              No, it’s not that anymore.

              Well, yes, he no longer throws glasses with water, even though it has already become better ... :)))
    3. Vend
      Vend 26 October 2017 18: 09 New
      +5
      We would have already held a referendum on Russia and forgot about this issue. If you vote to bury, then bury, if not, then let it lie. He doesn’t ask.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 26 October 2017 18: 17 New
        +4
        A deputy from the Liberal Democratic Party: We need to rebuild both Lenin and Stalin ...

        Quiet Kremlin night, but the body must be hidden!
      2. Gray brother
        Gray brother 26 October 2017 18: 29 New
        +7
        Quote: Wend
        We would have already held a referendum on Russia and forgot about this issue. If you vote to bury, then bury, if not, then let it lie. He doesn’t ask.

        Thirty years later they will spend when most of those who remember the USSR will die and there will be only unclouded consumers.
      3. mat-vey
        mat-vey 26 October 2017 18: 32 New
        +3
        Quote: Wend
        We would have held a referendum on Russia and would have forgotten about this issue.

        They would have been, but afraid of the results ...
        1. Vend
          Vend 26 October 2017 18: 48 New
          0
          Quote: mat-vey
          Quote: Wend
          We would have held a referendum on Russia and would have forgotten about this issue.

          They would have been, but afraid of the results ...

          Question who is afraid laughing
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 26 October 2017 19: 00 New
            +2
            And whose authority is the referendum to be held? Really, by the will of the people, they did it once, and what result turned out to be joyfully executed?
            1. Vend
              Vend 27 October 2017 10: 18 New
              0
              Quote: mat-vey
              And whose authority is the referendum to be held? Really, by the will of the people, they did it once, and what result turned out to be joyfully executed?

              Yes, the fact of the matter is that no matter what the result will be, the howl will rise unambiguously.
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 27 October 2017 14: 13 New
                0
                Whose howl?
                The text of your comment is too short and in the opinion of the site administration does not carry useful information.
      4. Assyrian
        Assyrian 26 October 2017 18: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: Wend
        He doesn’t ask.

        But what if. Scientists dance around him, “study”, feed them by kindness of soul, and maybe by a glass.
      5. groks
        groks 26 October 2017 18: 43 New
        +4
        There is a suspicion that they unanimously write that it is necessary to bury Chubais. I will definitely enter.
        1. notingem
          notingem 27 October 2017 00: 24 New
          0
          You can even in the mausoleum in Moscow city with the inscription CHUBAIS. In the people will tumble
      6. poquello
        poquello 26 October 2017 22: 29 New
        +2
        Quote: Wend
        We would have already held a referendum on Russia and forgot about this issue. If you vote to bury, then bury, if not, then let it lie. He doesn’t ask.

        this is how much dough is needed for the referendum,
    4. Orel
      Orel 26 October 2017 18: 17 New
      12
      Quote: 210ox
      Does it free up space for a loved one? Are there not enough empty sentences, is there nothing more to do?


      Lenin’s question is certainly not urgent. However, if you still disassemble the topic, then you can do much easier. If the Communists so need Lenin on Red Square, then it is necessary to transfer its contents to the Communist Party. Let them pay rent for the Mausoleum, keep it as it should under a security obligation, contain the body of Lenin. All is fair. Just not at the expense of taxpayers, many of whom sincerely do not understand why their taxes are used to maintain the corpse in the middle of the square. No one disputes the historical personality, but according to this logic it is necessary to raise all of the graves and go to the remains to watch. It is necessary to end this way or another. The Communist Party wants to support him-for God's sake at his own expense. No - to bury.
      1. Vend
        Vend 26 October 2017 18: 19 New
        +4
        Quote: Orel
        Quote: 210ox
        Does it free up space for a loved one? Are there not enough empty sentences, is there nothing more to do?


        Lenin’s question is certainly not urgent. However, if you still disassemble the topic, then you can do much easier. If the Communists so need Lenin on Red Square, then it is necessary to transfer its contents to the Communist Party. Let them pay rent for the Mausoleum, keep it as it should under a security obligation, contain the body of Lenin. All is fair. Just not at the expense of taxpayers, many of whom sincerely do not understand why their taxes are used to maintain the corpse in the middle of the square. No one disputes the historical personality, but according to this logic it is necessary to raise all of the graves and go to the remains to watch. It is necessary to end this way or another. The Communist Party wants to support him-for God's sake at his own expense. No - to bury.

        An unexpected approach, but also correct.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 27 October 2017 10: 42 New
          +1
          Quote: Wend
          An unexpected approach, but also correct.

          If this stupid person wants Russia to fall apart with a bloody whistle, then yes, of course, the right one.
        2. Pancir026
          Pancir026 27 October 2017 10: 55 New
          0
          Quote: Wend
          An unexpected approach, but also correct.

          Frankly stupid approach.
          1. Vend
            Vend 27 October 2017 10: 59 New
            +1
            Quote: Pancir026
            Quote: Wend
            An unexpected approach, but also correct.

            Frankly stupid approach.

            And what?
            1. Pancir026
              Pancir026 27 October 2017 11: 52 New
              +1
              Quote: Wend
              And what?

              Go to England-order to throw from the grave of Cromwell, in France-Napoleon, in the USA Washington, Roosevelt-at least they will look at you insane.
              Do you really think that fighting with your own history, but at the same time with whose signature is in the foundation of the LEGITIMITY of the current RF, as the successor of not the RI, but the RSFSR (USSR), are you doing something useful?
              With such a point of view like yours, Tolya Chubais and Akamedik Pivovarov agree that he burned the library, but did not answer for an official crime.
              That is, you are an apologist for Chubais and the rest of the public in the infamous 90s.?
              1. Vend
                Vend 27 October 2017 12: 10 New
                +1
                Quote: Pancir026
                Quote: Wend
                And what?

                Go to England-order to throw from the grave of Cromwell, in France-Napoleon, in the USA Washington, Roosevelt-at least they will look at you insane.
                Do you really think that fighting with your own history, but at the same time with whose signature is in the foundation of the LEGITIMITY of the current RF, as the successor of not the RI, but the RSFSR (USSR), are you doing something useful?

                You need you and turn to the west. In your opinion, the USSR is the successor of the Russian Empire, which is still denied by the adherents of the "red camp" in the USSR. To bury Lenin, is it from what side to fight with your own history? Modern Russia is the successor of both the Russian Empire and the USSR.
                You never answered what was stupid in the proposal to provide a mausoleum for the money of the Communist Party?
                1. Pancir026
                  Pancir026 27 October 2017 12: 14 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Wend
                  Modern Russia is the successor of both the Russian Empire and the USSR.

                  Well, yes, yes, yes. We believe. Only in the basis of the existence of the Russian Federation are there no signatures of Nikolai 2 and the like.
                  The history of Russia is continuous. This is a fact, but your fuss at the expense of the mausoleum is a war of the West against the meanings of Russia. If you understand the essence of all this hysteria.
                  Quote: Wend
                  You never answered what was stupid in the proposal to provide a mausoleum for the money of the Communist Party?

                  And you don’t understand at all what kind of phenomenon in world and Russian history V. Lenin is, because of this you are scurrying about.
                  So stay with the talkers in company with the Liberal Demagogical Party of Renegades.
                  The word RENEGATE is not obscene, for those who at least have a little understanding of language and meanings.
                  1. Vend
                    Vend 27 October 2017 12: 59 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Pancir026
                    Quote: Wend
                    Modern Russia is the successor of both the Russian Empire and the USSR.

                    Well, yes, yes, yes. We believe. Only in the basis of the existence of the Russian Federation are there no signatures of Nikolai 2 and the like.
                    The history of Russia is continuous. This is a fact, but your fuss at the expense of the mausoleum is a war of the West against the meanings of Russia. If you understand the essence of all this hysteria.
                    Quote: Wend
                    You never answered what was stupid in the proposal to provide a mausoleum for the money of the Communist Party?

                    And you don’t understand at all what kind of phenomenon in world and Russian history V. Lenin is, because of this you are scurrying about.
                    So stay with the talkers in company with the Liberal Demagogical Party of Renegades.
                    The word RENEGATE is not obscene, for those who at least have a little understanding of language and meanings.

                    One you understand laughing Come on you talk nonsense. It's time to stop looking for a black cat in a dark room. when she’s not there. In life, nothing will change if Lenin is buried, a monument is erected over the grave, and a memory square is destroyed around it.
                    1. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 27 October 2017 13: 30 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Wend
                      In life, nothing will change if Lenin is buried, a monument is erected over the grave, and a memory square is destroyed around it.

                      And certainly nothing will change if everything is left as it is. laughing So leave Lenin alone.
                      1. Vend
                        Vend 27 October 2017 13: 41 New
                        +1
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Quote: Wend
                        In life, nothing will change if Lenin is buried, a monument is erected over the grave, and a memory square is destroyed around it.

                        And certainly nothing will change if everything is left as it is. laughing So leave Lenin alone.

                        Yes, bickering will continue to occur, to the delight of the West. Apparently this suits you. Your beloved Lenin, has long been a bargaining chip in politics. As soon as you need to distract people from something, a stuffing with a funeral takes place. And a lot of people are underway. Have you yourself long gone to bow before your leader in the mausoleum?
                      2. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 27 October 2017 17: 30 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Wend
                        Yes, bickering will continue to occur, to the delight of the West.

                        Who else needs to be excavated or buried there? What else to destroy, which Vlasov or Bandera to erect a monument? Do not try to hang noodles on my ears. You and others like you jump out of your pants from fierce hatred of the Communists. At the same time, what is interesting is that you and others like you criticize them for demolishing the monuments, but now they offer exactly the same thing. Well, yes, of course, you will demolish the right monuments. It is the Communists who have demolished the wrong ones, and you will demolish the most correct ones. Just look, when the pendulum of history will blow you back, don’t whine - "And for what is it for us?"
                    2. Pancir026
                      Pancir026 29 October 2017 12: 53 New
                      0
                      Quote: Wend
                      It's time to stop looking for a black cat in a dark room. when she’s not there.

                      Well, why are you kidding her together with the Liberal Democratic Party?
                      Quote: Wend
                      . In life, nothing will change if Lenin is buried, a monument is erected over the grave, and a memory square is destroyed around it.

                      It’s not you who buried, not you digging coffins.
                      Ukraine has already shown that it is following the demolition of the monuments of the Epoch. You should preferably repeat it. But already in Russia?
                      In whose interests are you pleased?
      2. himRa
        himRa 26 October 2017 18: 32 New
        10
        Quote: Orel
        Lenin’s question is certainly not urgent.

        That's all you can say, and the rest .... blah, blah!
        There is no sense likened to religious fanatics ... in the fight against monuments ...
        And then .... the monuments also require money for maintenance, they need to be washed ... and so on, but we are going to these expenses, understanding that this is necessary first of all to those who come after us !? request
        Therefore, I do not agree with you, with all due respect hi
        1. Orel
          Orel 26 October 2017 18: 43 New
          +4
          Quote: himRa
          And then .... the monuments also require money for maintenance, they need to be washed ... and so on, but we are going to these expenses, understanding that this is necessary first of all to those who come after us !?


          A corpse cannot be a monument. But apparently, Lenin has not yet committed all his sins, if they still do not bury him. Torment continues.
          1. himRa
            himRa 26 October 2017 18: 50 New
            +3
            Quote: Orel
            But apparently, Lenin has not yet committed all his sins, if they still do not bury him. Torment continues.

            That's fine! wink let it slack off ...., a thought has already flickered here
            Quote: 79807420129
            Let us at least die calmly damn it, without jumping in the country.

            So I think so !!
            Grief and so they grabbed ... afgan ... from communism to capitalism .... gangster 90 e ...
      3. evil partisan
        evil partisan 26 October 2017 18: 36 New
        +8
        Quote: Orel
        If the Communists so need Lenin on Red Square, then it is necessary to transfer its contents to the Communist Party. Let them pay rent for the Mausoleum, keep it as it should under a security obligation, contain the body of Lenin. All is fair.

        I do not agree. The mausoleum and everything inside is a fact of our History! And it should be treated as a fact of history. No less, but no more. There are and are. Let it stand. And it is supported by the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation. There is a special department (or department, forgot already ... what ) for the protection of monuments of cultural and historical heritage. But dances with tambourines around the monument of history - stop.
      4. Kerensky
        Kerensky 26 October 2017 19: 54 New
        +1
        The Communist Party wants to support him-for God's sake at his own expense. No - to bury.

        Yes, I already spoke about it. If only they did not make a tour through the cities and villages, with a body .... These can!
      5. Agent_017
        Agent_017 26 October 2017 20: 28 New
        +4
        That's an ultimatum - let the Communist Party take over the maintenance of the mausoleum))) .. But who are the modern democrats and deputies? Are these aliens or residents of countries in which the Communist Party has never been? And I will tell you that they are the children of the advanced and wealthy communists who were in the Communist Party, but betrayed their homeland, its politics and their people. Let now the mausoleum contain from old memory ..
      6. Lavrenti Pavlovich
        Lavrenti Pavlovich 26 October 2017 20: 32 New
        +3
        Quote: Orel
        Quote: 210ox
        Does it free up space for a loved one? Are there not enough empty sentences, is there nothing more to do?


        Lenin’s question is certainly not urgent. However, if you still disassemble the topic, then you can do much easier. If the Communists so need Lenin on Red Square, then it is necessary to transfer its contents to the Communist Party. Let them pay rent for the Mausoleum, keep it as it should under a security obligation, contain the body of Lenin. All is fair. Just not at the expense of taxpayers, many of whom sincerely do not understand why their taxes are used to maintain the corpse in the middle of the square. No one disputes the historical personality, but according to this logic it is necessary to raise all of the graves and go to the remains to watch. It is necessary to end this way or another. The Communist Party wants to support him-for God's sake at his own expense. No - to bury.

        The current Communist Party has nothing to do with Lenin, except for the name. And the state should pay for the contents of the mausoleum and not forget what is happening with the authorities, which do not give a damn about their own people.
      7. aleks_29296
        aleks_29296 26 October 2017 21: 08 New
        +7
        Just not at the expense of taxpayers, many of whom sincerely do not understand why their taxes are used to maintain the corpse in the middle of the square.


        It seems to me that taxpayers rarely recall the contents of the mausoleum, but the appetites and salaries of deputies are perplexing.
      8. kirgiz58
        kirgiz58 26 October 2017 22: 36 New
        +7
        Quote: Orel
        If the Communists really need Lenin on Red Square, then it is necessary to transfer its contents to the Communist Party

        But will the Yeltsin Center and other nativity scenes of shit democracy be paid by EDRO? From party contributions?
    5. 79807420129
      79807420129 26 October 2017 18: 38 New
      10
      Let us at least die calmly damn it, without jumping in the country. negativeI won’t be surprised if Zhirik will be offered to be introduced into the liberated mausoleum after death. yes
      1. Orel
        Orel 26 October 2017 18: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: 79807420129
        I won’t be surprised if Zhirik will be offered to be introduced into the liberated mausoleum after death.


        Putin)))
        1. 79807420129
          79807420129 26 October 2017 19: 11 New
          +7
          Quote: Orel
          Fishing season

          Yes, let’s put Yeltsin, the liberals to the joy, and that we should not care where. yes You need to know your history, whatever it may be, or you will remain young without a future. repeat
          1. Logall
            Logall 26 October 2017 19: 32 New
            10
            Vlad, Greetings!
            Let them put in the Mausoleum, All those whom they wish! Just let the Mausoleum be in the cemetery! This is the Crypt, there is a place for him ...
            1. 79807420129
              79807420129 26 October 2017 19: 57 New
              +9
              Hello, Sanya! drinks drinks You know, I'm not white and not red, although still a Komsomolets laughing my party is my family, my children’s wife, grandchildren. But don’t mock corpses, we didn’t bury them and we don’t dig them out. And it’s time for the deputy to deal with direct duties, and not to make nonsense. drinks hi
              1. Logall
                Logall 26 October 2017 20: 12 New
                +9
                You know or guess about my attitude to politics, so that I fully support!
                It is painful to watch how such a sensitive topic was turned into a booth! Anyway, the surgeon will try to make an incision with a cleaver ...
                I sent you a carrier pigeon, I'm waiting back drinks
              2. Pancir026
                Pancir026 27 October 2017 10: 58 New
                +1
                Quote: 79807420129
                And it’s time for the deputy to deal with direct duties, and not smack nonsense

                Not ... you have clearly overestimated the deputies from the LDPR ... their direct responsibility. Just lies in your last statement. What are the data of Chernyshov, and there Degtyarev, and Zhirinovsky himself who demonstrate the country for a year.
          2. evil partisan
            evil partisan 26 October 2017 20: 05 New
            +1
            Quote: 79807420129
            Yes, let’s put Yeltsin, the liberals to the joy, and that we should not care where.

            It's a bit late already ... what There is already one skeleton left. yes But somehow, I don’t give a damn about the skeleton ... request
          3. Orel
            Orel 26 October 2017 20: 11 New
            0
            Quote: 79807420129
            Yes, let’s put Yeltsin, the liberals to the joy, and that we should not care where. yes One needs to know one’s history, whatever it may be; otherwise, you will remain young without a future.


            Let's embalm all the presidents))) We must still build the pyramid)))
        2. INVESTOR
          INVESTOR 26 October 2017 20: 16 New
          +1
          Strange, there is no scabies in the comments ... skip you ..
        3. Vend
          Vend 27 October 2017 11: 22 New
          +1
          Quote: Orel
          Quote: 79807420129
          I won’t be surprised if Zhirik will be offered to be introduced into the liberated mausoleum after death.


          Putin)))

          I see you can’t wait to bury him.
    6. tol100v
      tol100v 26 October 2017 19: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: 210ox
      Does a place free for a loved one?

      Yes! Spoiled the people housing problem!
    7. Primoos
      Primoos 26 October 2017 19: 39 New
      10
      You would not touch the great Stalin with your playful little hands. All of your LDPR nail is not worth it.
    8. Finches
      Finches 26 October 2017 19: 49 New
      +2
      Idio ... that piece! I didn’t go to the polls and I won’t go, so that I wouldn’t feel my involvement for the morons from the State Duma!
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    10. vik669
      vik669 27 October 2017 06: 10 New
      0
      Yes, it's time to cook!
  2. NIKNN
    NIKNN 26 October 2017 17: 54 New
    20
    fool Dlin Stalin then what? Why, instead of a mausoleum, is there a shopping center or something to assemble? ... Again, a war with monuments and memory ... fool
    1. himRa
      himRa 26 October 2017 18: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: NIKNN
      Dlin Stalin then what? Why, instead of a mausoleum, is there a shopping center or something to assemble? ... Again, a war with monuments and memory ...

      There are enough provocateurs .... take a look at how people will react ..
      Chernyshov further stated that everyone who was buried in Red Square (near the Kremlin wall or in the Kremlin wall itself) "should be interred in the cemetery."

      Young yshsho, learning toko and seems to aim for Zhirinovsky’s place lol
      BUT ... the Zhirik has almost three higher educations .... but this one does not pull ..
      1. Smog
        Smog 26 October 2017 20: 21 New
        +4
        Quote: himRa
        BUT ... girik has almost three higher educations ...

        laughing good and dad is a lawyer .... lol
    2. gaura
      gaura 27 October 2017 06: 12 New
      0
      Not for nothing that he told about book fairs and just said fairs. It would be wonderful - the malls on Red Square, like 500 years ago, sell trays, fruits, bagels. Lyapota
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  4. Herculesic
    Herculesic 26 October 2017 17: 55 New
    +4
    So, then, in the country only one problem remained and all the others have already been successfully resolved? Or does the person crave to see the name of Volfovich on the mausoleum? ?? fool
  5. Evgeny Strygin
    Evgeny Strygin 26 October 2017 17: 55 New
    +2
    bury it and Zhirik. Apparently as fertilizers at least fit.
    1. PalBor
      PalBor 26 October 2017 18: 14 New
      +8
      Yes Zhirik, okay, his howls are no longer taken seriously. But the dust is not to be touched, and you can’t be likened to any Baltic-Ukra.
      1. Evgeny Strygin
        Evgeny Strygin 26 October 2017 18: 30 New
        +2
        "already" where there should have been a prison or a fool at us "already."
        This is what scares.
  6. Herculesic
    Herculesic 26 October 2017 17: 57 New
    11
    At least one of the modern politicians for the country has done what is worthwhile? ?? fool All our thoughts and Stalin’s nails are not worth it! fool
    1. evil partisan
      evil partisan 26 October 2017 20: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: Herkulesich
      All our thoughts and Stalin’s nails are not worth it!

      Standstop And what do you, Colleague, have against Yarovaya, Pushkov, Morozov, Nikonov (when he was there) ?? Worthy people yes . And intellectuals are worse than Stalin yes maybe not so strong-willed. Although ... It is unknown: how would they act as the head of state? request
      Hello to epic heroes! drinks
      1. notingem
        notingem 27 October 2017 00: 49 New
        0
        Do you propose to bury these in the mausoleum? It’s understandable that they are worthy. But they seem to be still alive.
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 27 October 2017 14: 56 New
          +1
          But how they are now and so bury ... and if nothing changes in the country, then the mausoleum is not worthy ..
  7. groks
    groks 26 October 2017 18: 01 New
    10
    That's really - a frantic printer, this DG. EBNA they do not want to rebury anywhere? Also, bastard, he turned a couple of coups. It would be nice to rebury Humpbacked. Alive? Do not care, paid.
    1. notingem
      notingem 27 October 2017 00: 52 New
      +1
      So Humpback like Germans should bury
  8. Radikal
    Radikal 26 October 2017 18: 04 New
    +7
    A deputy from the Liberal Democratic Party: We need to rebuild both Lenin and Stalin ...
    Better to disperse this batch of strikebreakers, led by their psychopath sad
  9. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
    Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 26 October 2017 18: 05 New
    +7
    Such figures on a cannon shot can not be allowed not only to Red Square, but also to Moscow. To send this deputy chairman to raise science and education somewhere far away, on the other side of the globe. They like people there. The son of a maize was accepted with pleasure. In his native land there will be no sense in him, only harm.
  10. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 26 October 2017 18: 05 New
    12
    The ideologists of all the upheavals and ideologies of the victims and catastrophes that occurred in Russia should, of course, not lie in the center of the great capital of a great state that unites historical eras, from our imperial tradition to the present. It is strange purely aesthetically and ethically when in the center of the city there is a cemetery, where people walk, where they conduct all the events.

    It's funny that a citizen of a deputy is only concerned about the graves on this side of the Kremlin wall. And they don’t absolutely embarrass the grave from its other side - inside the Kremlin itself.

    Oh, by the way, does the grave of the Unknown Soldier also need to be moved? belay
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 26 October 2017 18: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: Alexey RA
      Oh, by the way, does the grave of the Unknown Soldier also need to be moved?

      Well, what am I, of course, to transfer - if not for him and his fellow Bavarian would drink ...
  11. cedar
    cedar 26 October 2017 18: 08 New
    +4
    Federal War Memorial Cemetery in Mytishchi

    "Controversial proposal.
    More than once there was a suggestion that it would be advisable to transfer the remains of those who rest near the walls of the Kremlin to the Federal War Memorial Cemetery. This question is controversial. Surely such an idea has both supporters and opponents. However, there is a clear reason. Red Square has become a venue for entertainment events and festivities. When a place of fun is adjacent to burials, then from the side, according to many people, it looks unethical. "
    - Read more on FB.ru:
    http://fb.ru/article/280372/federalnoe-voennoe-me
    morialnoe-kladbische-v-myitischah
    1. LAWNER
      LAWNER 26 October 2017 18: 12 New
      13
      Place of fun ??? So at weddings the newlyweds also go to the Eternal Flame .... Deny?
    2. igorj 51
      igorj 51 26 October 2017 18: 50 New
      13
      However, there is a clear reason. Red Square has become a venue for entertainment events and festivities. When a place of fun is adjacent to burials, then from the side, according to many people, it looks unethical. "

      So maybe not to carry out entertainment events on Red Square ..? Or what
      , there are no other squares in the First See for this, is it necessary to carry out entertainment events on Red Square ...?
    3. dauria
      dauria 26 October 2017 21: 46 New
      0
      When a place of fun is adjacent to burials,


      But what about the folk - "They buried mother-in-law, broke three button accordions"? laughing
  12. ARES623
    ARES623 26 October 2017 18: 09 New
    +3
    Obviously for RIA Novosti there are no other problems. And do not feed the deputy chairman of the Liberal Democratic Party with bread, but let the people stir !!! This group of commercial voices can’t generate anything. Only idiocy produces. It would be better if the old woman were transferred across the road, or he would have built a school in some village. For all his life he has not produced anything except manure, but under you, let the people sow trouble.
  13. Observer2014
    Observer2014 26 October 2017 18: 12 New
    +7
    A deputy from the Liberal Democratic Party: We need to rebuild both Lenin and Stalin ...
    Our song is good, start over. Is there more to do than do other graves? Lenin got what he deserved. Being his body as a mummy for all to see. Thanks to him from his disciples, so to speak. I am against touching. Let it be as it is. And then they will start drooling with drool. "Do not touch the shrines" wassat In general, I would suggest a moratorium for 100 years to introduce a discussion on this topic. hi
  14. Million
    Million 26 October 2017 18: 12 New
    +6
    LDPR is also time to bury. As a party ...
    1. Moore
      Moore 26 October 2017 18: 17 New
      +2
      Unfortunately, the game "democracy" needs such a clown, without them in any way. What we have, what is in the "lighter" - there are their own grease ...
    2. OFFICE-M
      OFFICE-M 26 October 2017 18: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: Million
      LDPR is also time to bury. As a party ...

      On Zhirinovsky and hold .. And he is comfortable with the authorities so far ..! I would be in place of Zhirinovsky and Zyuganov, I would retire and put the young ones in my place (controlling them ..) And these are waiting for them to be carried forward from the State Duma with their feet hehe hey That's all disgusting!
  15. Sverdlov
    Sverdlov 26 October 2017 18: 12 New
    11
    For me, it’s necessary to ban a circus on the main square of the country. Skating rinks, shows girls and vuman, concerts of fagots from behind the hill and our old fighters (although he himself :)
    1. Dezinto
      Dezinto 26 October 2017 18: 21 New
      +8
      What are you digging up? Let yourself lie. There is nothing more to do than fucking, Poking around in the nose and swimming in the ceiling, thought they would stir up such a thing? And about! exactly Lenin! let's party!

      Poklonskaya with this matilda ... already sickened, these rushing with Lenin. Damn the circus with horses!
  16. zoolu350
    zoolu350 26 October 2017 18: 21 New
    +3
    It is better to bury this deputy Chernyshov in landfills in parts. Worms, dogs and ravens will have at least a bonus, otherwise the people will not benefit from their "sitting" in the State Duma.
  17. japs
    japs 26 October 2017 18: 25 New
    +4
    I propose to remove from the State Duma, and from the Russian Federation, this LIBERAL-DEMOCRATIC little party
    to Benin’s mom. Zhirik already washed his boots in the Indian Ocean?
    Wasteland
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  19. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 26 October 2017 18: 26 New
    0
    Maybe bury the Liberal Democratic Party? And the name of the party is somehow sonorous, as was noted in the newspaper "Tomorrow", this name resembles a sound in the stomach with diarrhea.
  20. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 26 October 2017 18: 28 New
    +3
    I propose to dissolve the Duma and establish a shelter for the homeless there.
  21. SCHMEL
    SCHMEL 26 October 2017 18: 28 New
    0
    LDPR: re-bury can not be left! laughing go about your party affairs
  22. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 26 October 2017 18: 32 New
    +4
    Or maybe this deputy and many similar land to betray? You can live.
    1. evil partisan
      evil partisan 26 October 2017 20: 10 New
      +3
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      You can live.

      belay
      Hic ... sad
      Vania. hi More accurately:
      The number of people sentenced to real terms of imprisonment for violating anti-extremist legislation on the Internet is growing, according to the report of the Sova center based on the results of 2014-2015. In 2015, compared with the previous year, this indicator increased from 18 to 43 people (see graph). Of these, 16 people were sentenced only “for words” (there were no aggravating circumstances and a total sentence) - in 2014, according to “Owl,” there were only three such harsh sentences, said the author of the report, Natalia Yudina. In most cases, convicts spoke out against the government and the president, against the armed intervention of Russia in the affairs of Ukraine or called for armed jihad. Owners experts consider nine sentences unlawful. In addition, in two years 106 people were sentenced to compulsory labor, 64 to fines, and 59 to correctional labor.
      The most common article is Art. 282 of the Criminal Code (incitement to national hatred), less often - Art. 280 (calls for extremist activity), in the last two years, part 3 of Article 212 (calls for riots) and Art. 205.2 (calls for terrorist activities and the justification of terrorism), as well as Art. 280.1 (calls for violation of territorial integrity).

      As I understand it, Art. 280 and Art. 205.2 if desired, you can pull on any yes . Well, about like an owl on a globe ... yes
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 26 October 2017 20: 44 New
        +5
        What to do. I'm tired of hearing such crazy ideas already. What, there are no problems in the country? Is everything beautiful to the envy of everyone? Should history be crippled? This is the same as the Khokhlyat and Pshekovo war with monuments.
        And by the way, Yura, congratulate me, I’ve already run off to the ban once))) For a couple of days)))
        1. evil partisan
          evil partisan 26 October 2017 20: 48 New
          +3
          Quote: Stroibat stock
          Should history be crippled? This is the same as the Khokhlyat and Pshekovo war with monuments.

          The exact same thing. yes
          Quote: Stroibat stock
          congratulate me, I’ve already run away once in a ban)))

          fellow
          Our regiment arrived !!!
          good
  23. Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 26 October 2017 18: 32 New
    12
    The joke was remembered.

    In Russia, devastation and anarchy, the country is slowly falling apart and no one can do anything about it. To save the country, scientists decided to clone Stalin.
    Well, the father of nations woke up, looked around @@@ about what was happening around and said:
    - Comrades, to save the country I have 2 suggestions:
    The first is to shoot the government in full force.
    The second is to repaint the Kremlin in green.
    Someone could not bear it and asks:
    - Comrade Stalin, and why should the Kremlin be repainted in green?
    Stalin answered with a grin:
    - I thought that on the first point we will not have disagreements.
    1. himRa
      himRa 26 October 2017 19: 18 New
      +3
      + from me! There is a joke in every joke laughing he correctly observes the people!
      A cheap way to divert attention ... before the elections, for example, on the contrary, to attract ...
      Halivar theme .... almost eternal laughing
  24. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 26 October 2017 18: 36 New
    0
    LDPR has become a collective eccentric. in this case, a minor.
  25. Nemesis
    Nemesis 26 October 2017 18: 38 New
    +4
    If this deputy does not see other, much more important matters in the Russian Federation, then he has nothing to do in the State Duma of the Russian Federation
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  27. APASUS
    APASUS 26 October 2017 18: 40 New
    +2
    It would be worthwhile to bury Lenin simply by the way he is a Christian. It is useless to make a stuffed animal out of a man.
    I do not specifically consider his participation in the fate of the state. Because, as always, there will be admirers and opponents, and this dispute will not lead to anything
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 26 October 2017 19: 08 New
      +4
      I remember recently a stuffed animal was brought in, so there was no end of Christians ...
    2. Agent_017
      Agent_017 26 October 2017 20: 17 New
      +1
      You smoked something? What kind of Christian is he ??? Ugh!!! He wore a cross on his neck and read prayers? Did you attend church service and keep the commandments? - NOT! With his decrees, he exterminated the priesthood, ruined religion and closed churches - YES! He is not a Christian - he is demon ... Are not his words - http://leninism.su/books/4262-mysli-lenina-o-reli
      gii.html? showall = 1
      1. notingem
        notingem 27 October 2017 01: 04 New
        0
        Why are you excited? Read carefully what the discussion is about.
  28. Simon
    Simon 26 October 2017 18: 41 New
    0
    It seems to me that the LDPR wants to free itself a place on Red Square! repeat
  29. free
    free 26 October 2017 18: 41 New
    +1
    I propose that deputy Chernyshov prohibit stupidity and verbiage, especially among deputies.
    1. Agent_017
      Agent_017 26 October 2017 20: 11 New
      0
      It is necessary to arrange a check on how he became a deputy ..
  30. Simon
    Simon 26 October 2017 18: 46 New
    0
    Quote: japs
    I propose to remove from the State Duma, and from the Russian Federation, this LIBERAL-DEMOCRATIC little party
    to Benin’s mom. Zhirik already washed his boots in the Indian Ocean?
    Wasteland

    Still boots for the Indian Ocean have not sewn! laughing
  31. Old military officer
    Old military officer 26 October 2017 18: 48 New
    +4
    Quote: Sverdlov
    For me, it’s necessary to ban a circus on the main square of the country. Skating rinks, shows girls and vuman, concerts of fagots from behind the hill and our old fighters (although he himself :)

    I join and vote with both hands. It is not necessary to organize entertaining events on this square, due to its historical role in the history of our country, I hope that it is not necessary for USE experts to remind what and how was happening on Red Square. In Moscow there are enough places for festivities, even more than. And this clown is trying to earn cheap popularity points. DG is rich in such individuals - for this reason.
  32. 1536
    1536 26 October 2017 18: 52 New
    +5
    But isn’t it easier to fill the rink in another place and stop discussing on necrophilic topics? Tomorrow the tomb of the Unknown Soldier will not suit any deputy with "Polish roots", so what? What has been done once should be taken as given. Otherwise, you can reach the position of Neanderthals.
  33. 1 Navigator
    1 Navigator 26 October 2017 18: 58 New
    +1
    Well, the fact that Ilyich needs to be removed is unambiguous, otherwise they arranged some paganism.
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 26 October 2017 19: 10 New
      +3
      How many holy relics do Orthodox Christians have there? Moreover, some limbs obviously have more than a person should ...
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 26 October 2017 20: 03 New
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        Quote: mat-vey
        How many holy relics are there

        Is Lenin a religious object of worship? But what about materialism?
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 27 October 2017 14: 19 New
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          Well explain what materialism is bothering you here? Especially since it’s not an object of religious worship ... and about the pagans for one ..
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 27 October 2017 18: 41 New
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            Quote: mat-vey
            Well explain what materialism is stopping you here

            Well, explain how it is possible to make the main fighter and “opium for the people” a part of this opium?
            Quote: mat-vey
            Moreover, it is not an object of religious worship

            Really? Then why all this putting on display and pilgrimage of the people? Actually?
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 27 October 2017 18: 58 New
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              RELIGION
              Feminine

              One of the forms of public consciousness is the totality of representations resting on faith in miraculous supernatural forces and beings (gods, spirits), which are the subject of worship.
              What miraculous forces are connected with Lenin? And learn more about Lenin’s “struggle” with religion - if you hadn’t climbed, no one would have kicked ...
              Quote: Dart2027
              Really? Then why all this putting on display and pilgrimage of the people? Actually?

              and simple human curiosity no longer counts?
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 27 October 2017 19: 43 New
                0
                Quote: mat-vey
                and simple human curiosity no longer counts
                Curiosity to pass by the mummy? Something I didn’t notice from any acquaintance craving for such spectacles?
                Quote: mat-vey
                What miraculous forces are connected with Lenin?
                The fact that he is the leader of all times and peoples.
                Quote: mat-vey
                And learn more about Lenin’s “struggle” with religion
                What exactly?
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 29 October 2017 06: 56 New
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                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Quote: mat-vey
                  And learn more about Lenin’s “struggle” with religion
                  What exactly?

                  Specifically, about the fight against religion ... well, the priests did not accept that they had moved them from the feeder and the Bolsheviks were to blame?
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Quote: mat-vey
                  What miraculous forces are connected with Lenin?
                  The fact that he is the leader of all times and peoples.

                  Do the proletariat know?
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Quote: mat-vey
                  and simple human curiosity no longer counts
                  Curiosity to pass by the mummy? Something I didn’t notice from any acquaintance craving for such spectacles?

                  ah-ah, so there all believers in holy communism walked and walked around? And go all with school tickets instead of crosses?
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 29 October 2017 07: 21 New
                    0
                    Quote: mat-vey
                    Specifically about the fight against religion
                    That is, in the USSR they did not fight it?
                    Quote: mat-vey
                    Do the proletariat know?
                    They tried to enlighten him.
                    Quote: mat-vey
                    ah-ah, so there all believers in holy communism alone walked and walked?
                    Who else?
                    1. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 29 October 2017 07: 33 New
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                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      ah-ah, so there all believers in holy communism alone walked and walked?
                      Who else?

                      So ask, especially with the kids ...
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      Do the proletariat know?
                      They tried to enlighten him.

                      What is enlightenment to? In the fact that Lenin is the leader of the proletariat, it seems that they were aware that the leader is not rich - unlike you (although it seems to you that there is no difference - are you really enlightened, or just literate?)
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      Specifically about the fight against religion
                      That is, in the USSR they did not fight it?

                      And also in the USSR, the synthetics fought with the German invaders - didn’t it?
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 29 October 2017 07: 36 New
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                        Quote: mat-vey
                        So ask, especially with the kids
                        Which parents brought there.
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        so it seems that in the course were that the chief and the chief - unlike you
                        So I put the mummy on public display? When monuments are erected by the famous State Duma, this is a sign of respect, but body worship is already from another opera.
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        And also in the USSR, the synthetic agents fought with the German invaders - it was not necessary
                        That is, you don’t deny the fact of the struggle with religion? Already good. And yet:
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Is Lenin a religious object of worship? But what about materialism?
                    2. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 29 October 2017 07: 59 New
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      So ask, especially with the kids
                      Which parents brought there.

                      What, they decided to hide behind the kids?Dart2027,
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      so it seems that in the course were that the chief and the chief - unlike you
                      So I put the mummy on public display? When monuments are erected by the famous State Duma, this is a sign of respect, but body worship is already from another opera.

                      And what is “worship”, otherwise you talk about worship, and what is it actually showing up there - they bring sacrifices, they buy candles to kiss the cook?
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      That is, you don’t deny the fact of the struggle with religion? Already good. And yet:
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Is Lenin a religious object of worship? But what about materialism?

                      Once again, what is religiosity manifested in? And once again find out how the struggle with religion began, and what it turned into when the ministers of this religion began to fight for the lost privileges ...
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 29 October 2017 12: 30 New
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                        Quote: mat-vey
                        What, they decided to hide behind the kids?
                        Actually, you are talking about them. Already do not remember what you write?
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        And what is the "worship"
                        And the fact that people’s crowds are going to look at the mummy is what?
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        And once again find out how the struggle with religion began, and what it resulted in
                        Well, when did it start, more specifically?
            2. mat-vey
              mat-vey 29 October 2017 12: 46 New
              0
              Quote: Dart2027
              Quote: mat-vey
              What, they decided to hide behind the kids?
              Actually, you are talking about them. Already do not remember what you write?

              What about your memory? Selectivity for what? I suggested that you not only interview your acquaintances, but you cling to the children.
              Quote: Dart2027
              Quote: mat-vey
              And what is the "worship"
              And the fact that people’s crowds are going to look at the mummy is what?

              Are you again about the white bull?
              Quote: Dart2027
              Really? Then why all this putting on display and pilgrimage of the people? Actually?

              and simple human curiosity no longer counts?Dart2027,
              Quote: Dart2027
              Quote: mat-vey
              And once again find out how the struggle with religion began, and what it resulted in
              Well, when did it start, more specifically?

              Don't you even know that? Are you familiar with the concept of “separation of the church from the state” and “religious freedom? Or will you again interview children of acquaintances
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 29 October 2017 15: 11 New
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                Quote: mat-vey
                What about your memory? Selectivity for what?
                That is, you are talking about them all the same? And about interrogating - where and to whom?
                Quote: mat-vey
                and simple human curiosity no longer counts?
                Curiosity to drive past a mummy? Do you personally like to look at corpses?
                Quote: mat-vey
                You know the concept of separation of church and state and freedom of religion.
                That is, the fact that under Lenin they fought religion, do you deny it?
                1. Pancir026
                  Pancir026 29 October 2017 15: 24 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Curiosity to drive past a mummy? Do you personally like to look at corpses?

                  You seem to be an apologist for Christianity .. the truth is absolutely not of the Orthodox sense .. mummies in the churches do not bother you?
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  That is, the fact that under Lenin they fought religion, do you deny it?

                  So what? Religion, opium for people. Fact. People who are weak in spirit go into religion. And then, you go to the Vatican, there is absolute power of religion, in Russia, a secular state. And because of this, the Church is separated from Gosudarstvo. What are you not happy with?
                  The Church is engaged in spiritual affairs, this is its destiny. And as for the State, it is to the extent that it is useful for the State and no more.
                  Religious neophytes, fanatics in History, harmed people much more than atheists.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 29 October 2017 15: 46 New
                    0
                    Quote: Pancir026
                    Mummies in the churches do not bother you?
                    I can understand when the church is talking about someone’s relics. You can believe or not believe, but the fact itself does not raise questions. I can understand when monuments to Lenin were erected in the USSR wherever they could. Not always out of place, but there was nothing strange about it. But when the corpse is put on public display by those who shout about the denial of everything religious - this is already strange.
                    Quote: Pancir026
                    Religious neophytes, fanatics in History, harmed people much more than atheists.
                    Any fanatics can do a lot of things.
                    1. Pancir026
                      Pancir026 29 October 2017 17: 00 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Any fanatics can do a lot of things.

                      Self-critical.
                      So.
                      The first lie. The main propaganda blow concentrates on instilling in public opinion the idea of ​​the burial of Lenin. And here the vile calculation is obvious - what a normal person would object to the burial of the remains of the deceased. Although in the case of Lenin we are talking about reburial.
                      It seemed an obvious thing for everyone — Lenin was buried. As the founder of the Russian Federation and the USSR, Vladimir Ilyich Lenin was buried with the highest state honors of January 27 of 1924.
                      And the form of burial was determined by the country's highest authority - the II All-Union Congress of Soviets - in the ground, at a depth of three meters in the crypt above which the Mausoleum was erected. By the way, the Congress delegate, the widow of Lenin, Nadezhda Krupskaya, also voted for this decision.
                      Even considering the burial of V.I. Lenin from the standpoint of modern legislation, and it takes into account the existing Orthodox cultural traditions of the Russian people, the crypt and the Mausoleum above it must be fully consistent with the current laws of the Russian Federation. The embalmed body of Lenin rests in a coffin-sarcophagus at a depth of three meters under the ground, which fully complies with the provisions of the Federal Law “On burial and funeral business” from 12.01.1996. Article 3 of this law says: “Burial can be carried out by bringing the body (remains) ground (burial in the grave, crypt) ". And the body of Lenin, we recall once again, buried in a crypt (vaulted tomb, buried in the ground).
                      Is it clear written?
                      The second lie. The body of Lenin is put on display, does not rest in a Christian way, is not interred.
                      The most famous example is the burial in the open for viewing sarcophagus of the great Russian surgeon Nikolai Pirogov near Vinnitsa. The sarcophagus with the coffin of the great scientist is placed in a crypt, which is one of the forms of burial in the ground and has been on display for almost 130 years. As it is written in the definition of the Holy Synod in St. Petersburg, “so that the disciples and followers of the noble and godly deeds of the servant of God, N.I. Pirogov could contemplate his bright appearance.
                      Everyone also knows the memorial complex "Far Caves" of the Kiev Pechersk Monastery. where the relics of 49 canonized saints rest on display.
                      All clear?
                      The third lie. Attempts continue to be made to convince society that it is necessary to fulfill the last will of Lenin, who allegedly bequeathed to bury himself next to his mother at the Volkov Cemetery in Leningrad. This lie has been circulating around the world since it was first voiced at one of the sessions of the Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR, broadcast live, by someone Karjakin. Then the fiction was picked up by the dad of the current socialite and Putin’s mentor Anatoly Sobchak.
                      Are you an apologist for Sobchak?
                      Well, the last.
                      Scientist and publicist A.S. Abramov, Chairman of the Board of the Charitable Public Organization (Fund) for the Preservation of the Mausoleum of V.I.Lenin many times gave the media a response from the RCCHIDNI (this is the former Central Party Archive) to the request of the Yeltsin administration regarding Lenin’s will. The official response to the President of the Russian Federation said that "there is not a single document of Lenin, his relatives or relatives regarding Lenin’s last will to be buried in a certain Russian cemetery."
                      Is everything clear to you?
                      1. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 29 October 2017 17: 10 New
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                        Yes, I’m just wondering what he’ll say about the Gentiles - well, why are they bad ...
                      2. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 29 October 2017 18: 06 New
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                        Quote: Pancir026
                        Self-critical.
                        Is that you about yourself?
                        Quote: Pancir026
                        what normal person will object to the burial of the remains of the deceased
                        A normal person will not admire dead bodies. And this concerns not specifically Lenin, but, in principle, all the dead. Let the relics be buried in monasteries, Egyptian pharaohs - at some cemetery in Egypt, etc.
                2. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 29 October 2017 15: 27 New
                  +1
                  "Quote: mat-vey
                  ah-ah, so there all believers in holy communism alone walked and walked?
                  Who else?

                  So ask around, especially with the kids ... "- you are here talking exclusively on the kids for what purpose did you translate? What would the topic of parents jump?
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  That is, the fact that under Lenin they fought religion, do you deny it?

                  And why are you so excited? And I denied? Then pliz - can I deny it? And something about the pagans didn’t sound - why are they bad? And what materialism prevents Lenin from being a leader (conductor of ideas and inspirer of the masses)?
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 29 October 2017 15: 49 New
                    0
                    Quote: mat-vey
                    So ask, especially with the kids
                    That is, it’s useless to ask adults?
                    Quote: mat-vey
                    And how does materialism prevent Lenin from being a leader (conductor of ideas and inspirer of the masses)?
                    Lying in the form of a mummy? So how do you differ from those who pray to idols?
                    1. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 29 October 2017 16: 05 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      That is, it’s useless to ask adults?

                      So you are from adults to kids and spread, probably afraid of adults?

                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Lying in the form of a mummy? So how do you differ from those who pray to idols?

                      Have you already asked about curiosity, simple human? And again, what rituals are being performed there? Well, you still haven’t revealed what the act of worship is manifested in - what rituals, candles or incantations are there? And what Lenin was not an inspirer - someone attributed it to him ? And about the pagans all the same, specify - why are they so bad?
                      1. Pancir026
                        Pancir026 29 October 2017 17: 01 New
                        +1
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        You have once again about curiosity, simple human

                        A colleague ... apologists for sobchakovshig = us and, in general, liberals = worldview built on a lie, to explain something is useless.
                      2. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 29 October 2017 18: 14 New
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                        Quote: mat-vey
                        Yes, I’m just wondering what he’ll say about the Gentiles - well, why are they bad ...
                        That is, you consider communism a pagan religion?
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        Have you already once again about curiosity, simple human?
                        For the umpteenth time, what normal person will stare at a corpse?
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        Well, you still haven’t revealed what the act of worship manifests itself in.
                        In the worship of the corpse.
                    2. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 29 October 2017 18: 28 New
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                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      Yes, I’m just wondering what he’ll say about the Gentiles - well, why are they bad ...
                      That is, you consider communism a pagan religion?

                      Where am I talking about this? You are again trying on your trollism to others ...
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      Well, you still haven’t revealed what the act of worship manifests itself in.
                      In the worship of the corpse.

                      What is worship expressed in? To stare?
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      Have you already once again about curiosity, simple human?
                      For the umpteenth time, what normal person will stare at a corpse?

                      So you’re a psychiatrist? And what then do you say about the astronauts - they fly into a completely alien environment? How did they begin to fly under the Communists ... something about the fact that "I didn’t see God flew" burst ...
                      and yet, for what you do not love the Gentiles? They offended you? And then somehow they sound insulting to you ...
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 29 October 2017 20: 35 New
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                        Quote: mat-vey
                        Where am I talking about this
                        Then why are you so offended by the pagans when it comes to faith in communism?
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        What is worship expressed in? To stare?
                        People come from anywhere, sometimes from the other end of the country, in order to gawk. Is this not worship?
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        And what then do you say about the astronauts - they fly into a completely alien environment to man?
                        That is, you don’t know about the completely material benefits that space exploration promises?
                    3. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 30 October 2017 13: 07 New
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                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      Where am I talking about this
                      Then why are you so offended by the pagans when it comes to faith in communism?

                      Once again, you attribute your inarticulate thoughts to others. Why did you get the idea that I’m offended? It sounded like “some heathens” to you, a kind of humiliation. Here, if you can explain why the heathens offended you ...
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      What is worship expressed in? To stare?
                      People come from anywhere, sometimes from the other end of the country, in order to gawk. Is this not worship?

                      And what did they say so directly to you - will we bow down, or will you again hide for the children?
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      And what then do you say about the astronauts - they fly into a completely alien environment to man?
                      That is, you don’t know about the completely material benefits that space exploration promises?

                      That is, you just need something to say, at least about the usefulness of space? And do not explain the thread of your logical research that led you to the topic of the usefulness of space? Where did you hear (and generally in the subject) about the study of space - "And what about the astronauts then tell me - do they fly into a completely alien environment for man? How did they start when they fly under the Communists? something about the fact that “I didn’t see God, they’re“ bursting ... ”? Surprise me once again with the troll’s zigzag of thinking ..
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 30 October 2017 20: 19 New
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                        Quote: mat-vey
                        It sounded "like some heathens" for you, a sort of humiliation
                        Do you think pagan rituals are a sign of culture?
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        And what did they say so to you - will we bow?
                        You know, I found the USSR, and I can say that in the mausoleum one could only bow to the ashes of the great leader. And if someone blurted out about curiosity, then he would have had a bad time.
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        Or will you hide again for the children?
                        That is, have you already forgotten that chi themselves have been dragged together?
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        That is, you just need something to say, at least about the usefulness of space? And do not explain the thread of your logical research that led you to the topic of the usefulness of space?
                        So you don’t know? Well, communication satellites, for example. Or weather satellites.
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        As under the Communists, they began to fly .. something about the fact that "he flew God did not see" they burst ... "
                        They didn’t see much, like all of us. But if you did not pay attention:
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        I can understand when the church is talking about someone’s relics. You can believe or not believe, but the fact itself does not raise questions. I can understand when monuments to Lenin were erected in the USSR wherever they could. Not always out of place, but there was nothing strange about it. But when the corpse is put on public display by those who shout about the denial of everything religious - this is already strange.
                        I did not appeal to the religious customs of the Orthodox Church, such a conversation in a trailer is meaningless, but to the very fact of corpses in public view.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        this does not apply specifically to Lenin, but in principle to all the dead. Let the relics be buried in monasteries, Egyptian pharaohs - at some cemetery in Egypt, etc.
                    4. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 7 November 2017 12: 27 New
                      0
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      You know, I found the USSR, and I can say that in the mausoleum you could only bow to the ashes of the great leader

                      You know, I was the same in the mausoleum - so cheat like something not so frank ...
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Do you think pagan rituals are a sign of culture?

                      Wiping your hands on a tablecloth is not a sign of culture.Dart2027,
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      Or will you hide again for the children?
                      That is, have you already forgotten that chi themselves have been dragged together?

                      That is, when you are talking about adults, then you hide behind the children, and when there is nothing to answer, sclerosis worsens?
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      That is, you just need something to say, at least about the usefulness of space? And do not explain the thread of your logical research that led you to the topic of the usefulness of space?
                      So you don’t know? Well, communication satellites, for example. Or weather satellites.

                      And how does this affect the supposedly religious cult of Lenin? Is it that relying on this "cult" rockets fly?
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      I didn’t appeal to the religious customs of the Orthodox Church, such a conversation in a trailer is meaningless, but to the very fact of corpses for all to see.

                      Well, what’s the religiousness of this, and that’s a corpse, a corpse, and how about some rituals, at the same time some communication satellites, pagans (for some reason, uncultured) are executed ...
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 7 November 2017 19: 29 New
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                        Quote: mat-vey
                        You know, I was in the mausoleum
                        And what did you do there?
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        Hands on a tablecloth to wipe is not a sign of culture
                        Do you do this? It happens.
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        That is
                        when you are talking about adults, then you are hiding behind children, and when there is nothing to answer, sclerosis worsens?
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        And how does this affect the supposedly religious cult of Lenin?
                        Have you already forgotten that you yourself dragged the cosmos?
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        Well, what's the religiosity
                        Creating a shrine for worship from a mummified corpse.
            3. mat-vey
              mat-vey 8 November 2017 06: 40 New
              0
              Fi, yes, you slipped into the primitive "wallow Vanka", but at first it seemed that you were a competent troll ...

              0
              mat-vey 2 October 29, 2017 07:33 ↑
              Quote: Dart2027
              Quote: mat-vey
              ah-ah, so there all believers in holy communism alone walked and walked?
              Who else?

              So ask, especially with the kids ...

              Quote: Dart2027
              Quote: mat-vey
              So ask, especially with the kids
              Which parents brought there.

              What, they decided to hide behind the kids .....
              Quote: Dart2027
              Quote: mat-vey
              Hands on a tablecloth to wipe is not a sign of culture
              Do you do this? It happens.

              And why did you decide this? Out of a desire to insult? And while insulting others, do you compensate for some of your complexes?
              Quote: Dart2027
              Quote: mat-vey
              You know, I was in the mausoleum
              And what did you do there?

              Imagine out of curiosity, they say, Lenin. Despite the fact that the whole world was shaken, he was small and bald ... he looked exactly - bald, but the world shook anyway (and it looks like you’re still shaking that even religion is around). ..
              Quote: Dart2027
              Quote: mat-vey
              And how does this affect the supposedly religious cult of Lenin?
              Have you already forgotten that you yourself dragged the cosmos?

              Do you even remember in what aspect it sounded? Well there about Gagarin ....
              Quote: Dart2027
              Quote: mat-vey
              Well, what's the religiosity
              Creating a shrine for worship from a mummified corpse.

              So you still haven’t answered what worship consists of? What religious rituals are performed? Going off to see without performing rituals of rituals is more like curiosity .. and this is Lenin a simple performer, did Marx put the ideas on paper - or do you not know?

              And yet, what is paganism without a more cultured Christianity, Buddhism or atheism?
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 27 October 2017 12: 41 New
        +1
        “By the way, do not flatter yourself about these relics.” I have seen a lot of fragments of the cross in many different churches. If all of them are genuine, it means that our Lord was tormented not on two crossed logs, but on the whole fence ...
        - Teacher! I cried, shocked.
        “But it is, Adson.” And there are even more luxurious relics. Once in Cologne Cathedral I saw the skull of John the Baptist at the age of twelve ...
        - What a marvel! I replied with admiration. And immediately, doubting, he exclaimed: “But the Baptist died at a more mature age!”
        “Another skull must be in a different treasury,” Wilhelm answered calmly.
        © Umberto Eco
    2. Agent_017
      Agent_017 26 October 2017 20: 10 New
      +3
      Oh well ... Let it lie on! Some will see what respect for the leader, others will see for what sins his land does not accept. Let it lie and be a beacon of justice! And the lighthouse at sea is the point of support and salvation for ships! And let some go with a load of problems to their port, while others go on vacation to paradise countries .. There are pluses, there should be minuses ..
      1. notingem
        notingem 27 October 2017 01: 07 New
        0
        Sorry. Now I completely agree with you
  34. Egorovich
    Egorovich 26 October 2017 19: 02 New
    11
    50 years, at least, these issues should not even be addressed. And then everything will be decided. Nothing ever lasts. If there is a part of people, and there are those who do not accept this, then in no case should one be reborn.
  35. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 26 October 2017 19: 05 New
    +4
    A deputy from the Liberal Democratic Party: We need to rebuild both Lenin and Stalin ...
    and they didn’t try to work ?!
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 26 October 2017 19: 11 New
      +2
      So in order to carry this blizzard, that would not get to work ...
  36. avia12005
    avia12005 26 October 2017 19: 12 New
    0
    What kind of people, such deputies ... it would be better to think about their fate. And how it will be remembered. Then I have only obscene expressions.
    1. WAGNER-M
      WAGNER-M 26 October 2017 19: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: avia12005
      What kind of people, such and deputies ..

      How offensive all this is ... You hopefully voted for the real deputies.? Announce the list then ..
  37. bald
    bald 26 October 2017 19: 19 New
    +1
    Firstly, this is our story (I am the opponent of both, for their actions). If you really want to rebury - only at the place of birth, a decent option. Thinking about bad energy is stupid (well, let's do it all. We’ll bury the entire wall somewhere in Siberia). And we’ll arrange a strip bar in the mausoleum’s room - it’s ridiculous to dope. Do you want to intervene ?! - Take a stretcher and all the premises of the mausoleum, fill it with earth before entering, and the guard should also be a natural, without mockery, Communist Party. Do not think about that "servants damn people."
    1. ML-334
      ML-334 26 October 2017 19: 50 New
      +2
      What did they do? And who is the prosecutor? What did the Zhirik do for the people?
      1. bald
        bald 27 October 2017 02: 45 New
        0
        If you mean Stalin and Lenin, then they created history, albeit a filthy one. The prosecutor, as it was not, is not. But the Liberal Democratic Party, for the people-nothing, although they are of the opposite opinion.
        1. ML-334
          ML-334 27 October 2017 05: 52 New
          +2
          Liberal traitors, officials, thieves deputies that has changed all the time, but nothing. How could you raise a country without repression? Yes, nothing. I have to work, not for myself, but raise my grandchildren. How can you not ask Stalin to put things in order.
          1. bald
            bald 27 October 2017 19: 00 New
            +1
            I really understand you. But why did he shoot my great-grandfather ?! Yes, as it used to be called a "fist" --- I say from the words of many eyewitnesses - who wanted to work in the district (Chelyabinsk region, in the Zlatoust region, the village of Urzhumka.), Did not drink, was hardworking - they received a salary incomparable in the Urals for in the same works (everything is herds of cattle, poultry, agriculture, a forge, a mill, etc.) and never deceived people and treated them humanly. And in the then USSR, he was not the only one - and everyone to the wall, well, how should I relate to this Caucasian goat? Remember, it was not he who won, but the people, so in Russia it has been led from time immemorial. But he destroyed more than died in VO. Once again I say - I understand you, but that's another story.
        2. mat-vey
          mat-vey 27 October 2017 15: 09 New
          0
          And what is the "filth of history"?
          1. bald
            bald 27 October 2017 19: 05 New
            0
            History has nothing to do with it, but the action of certain people, in a certain period of time, their actions, to put it mildly, filthy.
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 27 October 2017 19: 09 New
              0
              Are you talking about Nikki?
              1. bald
                bald 27 October 2017 19: 20 New
                0
                Honestly, I did not understand, in my own words. Khrushchev?
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 27 October 2017 19: 25 New
                  0
                  Nikki - Nicholas II, he is still a bastard ...
                  1. bald
                    bald 27 October 2017 20: 56 New
                    0
                    Explain your point of view, what ?! --- For his loyalty, justice, trust in his ministers? --- Actually, the topic is complicated and you and I can only swear. Russia came, at the time of his throne, (if you cut it, everything goes in a spiral spiral) to the already ripening redistribution of the device. All the secular people were stirring there, but he wouldn’t seem to notice it. And this train, from the south home, and yet there they warned him - do not return. I do not want to talk about it - they sold it all for their own benefit.
                    1. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 29 October 2017 07: 01 New
                      0
                      If the ruler is a rag - this is the death of the country ... all the other troubles are a consequence of his stupidity, loyalty and frank not being able to be a statesman ... but this went further - brought the country to a gigantic global crisis and eliminated himself ...
  38. Radikal
    Radikal 26 October 2017 19: 29 New
    +2
    Quote: Moore
    Unfortunately, the game "democracy" needs such a clown, without them in any way. What we have, what is in the "lighter" - there are their own grease ...

    There is nothing to do with the game of democracy - the LDPR performs the specific tasks that the authorities put before it ...! I won’t continue further ... wink
    1. WAGNER-M
      WAGNER-M 26 October 2017 19: 39 New
      +3
      Quote: Radikal
      The game in democracy has nothing to do with it - the LDPR performs the specific tasks that the authorities put before it ...! I won’t continue

      Zhirinovsky has already started playing in my opinion .., soon he will be able to import Zyuganov too on a stroller to live broadcasts of all channels .. Well, how much can you already?
  39. DPN
    DPN 26 October 2017 19: 30 New
    +8
    It’s just that the rich Pinocchio want the Russian PEOPLE to forget about justice and continue to deviate to the current capitalist system. Wearing a collar in 1991 on the neck of the people. Since then, the main task is to take away the people's faith in justice, and in this they are prevented by Lenin and Stalin. The Soviet government gave housing to the people for free, but today not everyone will be able to buy it. These deputies cannot improve the life of the people, they are only capable of fighting the dead, as the people call it, they probably know.
  40. WAGNER-M
    WAGNER-M 26 October 2017 19: 36 New
    +5
    As I understand it, we need to bury more than half of the State Duma and the government completely!
    The country's GDP will go up sharply, I am 100% sure!
  41. Romanenko
    Romanenko 26 October 2017 19: 36 New
    +6
    The matter needs to be dealt with, comrade, or Mr. Chernyshov, the "respected" deputy from the LDPR, leave Lenin and Stalin alone, is everything really so good in our country that there is nothing more to do to show your activity and need, putting forward proposals on where and how to rebuke former leaders and write idiotic laws how to wave a censer?
    When will fools and idlers stop flooding the ether with their stupid things?
    I think that deputies and other figures from the government raising such issues should be FIRED dismissed without benefits and pensions, like worthless talkers and with the wording of FULL official inconsistency.
  42. Langf
    Langf 26 October 2017 19: 45 New
    +1
    ... and this
    the silence
    rolling out
    bass,
    strong
    above the yards of yards:
    "Which ones are temporary?
    Slash!
    Your time has run out. "
  43. DPN
    DPN 26 October 2017 19: 53 New
    +3
    Fight with LENIN and STALIN for a salary of 450 thousand rubles is worth a lot.
  44. gurzuf
    gurzuf 26 October 2017 20: 00 New
    +9
    It would be better if the deputy from the LDPR attended to the closing of the Yeltsin center. In contrast to the reburial from the K. square, in this matter, the people are more united.
    1. Romanenko
      Romanenko 27 October 2017 10: 59 New
      0
      Completely solidary!
  45. Agent_017
    Agent_017 26 October 2017 20: 02 New
    +2
    Dear deputies, since you are so correct and seek justice! You need to give up fabulous salaries and pensions. You are the servants of the people? Why get more people? I understand that the work is difficult ... So do not do nonsense !!! Think about how to develop the country, to give people jobs, so that the ruble becomes like a dollar, so that people don’t get drunk with hopelessness, that grabbers and all fraudsters clutch their tails like under Stalin! And then you will be buried next to those who were historically important person. Although your conscience does not reach out ...
  46. Sergey53
    Sergey53 26 October 2017 20: 03 New
    +2
    Doesn’t bother anyone. Everyone prays to his god. In Ukraine, we started from this.
  47. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 26 October 2017 20: 08 New
    +2
    Lord! Thirty six again. But when will you finally get away with it. All problems were solved in the country, one mausoleum remained ?! As already got the solution to the problems sucked from the finger. Do nothing, they decide to let people cash out the capital. In order for a child to the same, I was able to build a separate room in my spare time from work. As a child, deliver the same to school. That's what my head hurts about.
  48. Langf
    Langf 26 October 2017 20: 10 New
    0
    Unthinkable ➡ Radically ➡ Acceptable ➡ Reasonable ➡ Popular ➡ Normal
    What is it? This is the so-called Overton window. According to the comments, the society in the "Acceptable" area. Further, it will become easier to trade in memory, because "stupid", it will be popular, because Ivan_proststva_not_ remembering will become the norm. It’s not Lenin, it’s the Mausoleum itself - a symbol of the devoted, destroyed and plundered state of the USSR.
  49. Ilya Markelov
    Ilya Markelov 26 October 2017 20: 13 New
    +6
    And I am for Stalin to be placed next to Lenin in the mausoleum, two worthy rulers who slept the country in the most difficult years, having overcome fantastic trials and built a fantastic, great country that no longer exists. Let them lie in the quality of the monument, why not? As an example, for future rulers. Judging the rulers makes sense only on the basis of the results of their reign, the result of the reign of Stalin - the greatest superpower. The result of the reign of Yeltsin, Gorbachev, Nicholas II - complete prosiron.
  50. tank64rus
    tank64rus 26 October 2017 20: 13 New
    +8
    The mess that goes on in education is beyond description. Now, understandably, grave diggers are busy with more important things than the education and upbringing of our children. The mausoleum with Lenin on November 7, 1941 is a symbol of struggle, May 9, 1945 is a symbol of Victory. Well let's betray it again. We will not bury Lenin, but the memory of our Fathers and Grandfathers.