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The creation of an armored car "Atlet" to replace the "Tigra" started in Russia

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Tests of the Russian armored car Atlet, which will eventually replace the Tiger family, will begin in 2019, Alexander Krasovitsky told the press on Thursday.


We have opened an experimental design work (OCD) "Athlete", which we call each other "Tiger-2". We hope that next year we will show you this car in the form of a prototype, and in two years we will start testing it.
- he said.

The creation of an armored car "Atlet" to replace the "Tigra" started in Russia


Compared with the "Tiger", "Athlete" will have increased ballistic and mine protection. In addition, the capacity of the machine will be increased to two tons. OCD is equally financed by the Ministry of Defense of Russia and the military-industrial complex itself, Krasovitsky noted.

According to Krasovitsky, for the ten years that have passed since the start of production of the “Tiger”, 700 changes have been made to its design, and at present, work is underway to increase the mine and ballistic resistance of the machine. Krasovitsky also said that the military-industrial complex by the end of the year will open OCR Bars for the creation in the interests of the Russian Defense Ministry of the Tiger with a 30-mm gun.

"Tiger" - a family of Russian multi-purpose off-road vehicles, designed to transport people and various goods on the roads and off-road. "Tiger" in the army and police modifications can transport about 6 — 9 people, reports RIA News. During the development of the family of these armored vehicles, the Kornet and Gibka missile systems, electronic warfare vehicles, its command and medical and military versions were installed on the chassis of the Tigra. Today, this armored car in various versions is operated in more than 10 countries of the world.
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  1. Uryukc
    Uryukc 26 October 2017 15: 42 New
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    UAZ Patriot, Scorpio, Wolf, Tiger, Athlete .. forgot nothing?
    1. Chelentanych
      Chelentanych 26 October 2017 15: 44 New
      16
      Vodnik, Shot ... another drink
      1. Uryukc
        Uryukc 26 October 2017 15: 45 New
        11
        I also recalled the Falcous and the Viking. PPC
        1. Uryukc
          Uryukc 26 October 2017 16: 01 New
          11
          I also remembered - Typhoon))
          1. DMB_95
            DMB_95 26 October 2017 16: 16 New
            +4
            BTR - 40, BTR - 152.
            1. Uryukc
              Uryukc 26 October 2017 16: 51 New
              +6
              And why, you offended Tachanka))
      2. 210ox
        210ox 26 October 2017 16: 03 New
        +2
        Yes, say right away, drank! crying It is not a matter of multitude, but of unification. What is not. During the Great Patriotic War, our industry produced a small assortment of weapons .. But in large quantities.
        Quote: Chelentanich
        Vodnik, Shot ... another drink
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon 26 October 2017 16: 49 New
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        Quote: Chelentanich
        Vodnik, Shot ... another drink

        Who new cars, and who counts money in other people's pockets. How are you, the liberoids, zadolbali their lamentations and howls that you have not got anything for some kind of cut. Numbers name, who and how many sawed.
        1. Yars
          Yars 29 October 2017 00: 45 New
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          Quote: Piramidon
          Quote: Chelentanich
          Vodnik, Shot ... another drink

          Who new cars, and who counts money in other people's pockets. How are you, the liberoids, zadolbali their lamentations and howls that you have not got anything for some kind of cut. Numbers name, who and how many sawed.

          support !!!
      4. kagorta
        kagorta 26 October 2017 17: 45 New
        +1
        No, this is loot for feeding designers. In sharashka they can’t just now.
      5. edge
        edge 28 October 2017 09: 20 New
        +1
        Quote: Chelentanich
        Vodnik, Shot ... another drink

        why drank, just the competition the MO chooses
      6. Yars
        Yars 29 October 2017 00: 43 New
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        Quote: Chelentanich
        Vodnik, Shot ... another drink

        Are you a troll here !? you liberals all bad, how not cool !!!!!!!!!!
    2. Primoos
      Primoos 26 October 2017 16: 47 New
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      Quote: Uryukc
      UAZ Patriot, Scorpio, Wolf, Tiger, Athlete .. forgot nothing?

      This segment of armored cars is important. In fact, it is universal. The fact that the design is constantly being amended suggests that the designers are sensitive to the opinion of the military, which was not previously the case.
      1. Uryukc
        Uryukc 26 October 2017 16: 54 New
        +9
        Quote: Primoos
        sensitively listen to the opinion of the military, which previously was not.

        This is all well and good, but the Moscow Region acts contrary to its statements about "unification, universality, modularity, mass character and economy." All of this can not be, when adopting the whole zoo SUVs.
    3. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 26 October 2017 17: 30 New
      +4
      Quote: Uryukc
      UAZ Patriot,


      UAZ has a new truck with a payload capacity of 1,5 tons. UAZ "Profi". Its chassis can be used for the construction of military modifications. At the Interpolitech 2017 exhibition, such a machine was demonstrated for the Border Service of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation. In addition, the “Profi” in the basic civilian modification with the drive, the 4x2, recently passed the tests conducted by the NII-21 Ministry of Defense of the RF.
      Everyone can watch it in recent issues of "Military Acceptance", "Expedition to Elbrus", TC "Star" in the 3 parts.
      And the theme with the Patriot, as with a military vehicle, is deaf. It is not suitable for this role. Too low carrying capacity and too many all kinds of bells and whistles unnecessary for a military machine.
    4. Santos
      Santos 26 October 2017 20: 08 New
      +1
      Gentlemen swearing all. You drove in the field. You were driving, you trynd current. I drank it .... you plump less. Well, then the defense does not stand still .. Current alcohol 9 ... degrees .. have a conscience .. I drank this F-35.
    5. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 27 October 2017 01: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: Uryukc
      didn’t forget anything?

      I forgot ... tongue ...."Bear"!
    6. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 27 October 2017 10: 45 New
      +1
      Federal yet. smile
      1. Uryukc
        Uryukc 27 October 2017 13: 03 New
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        No federal truck, sort of.
        God, 11 pieces have already been counted, and this is without armored personnel carriers and a Tachanka!
    7. Ivan Ross
      Ivan Ross 27 October 2017 14: 42 New
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      Forgot, after the "Tiger" like "Lynx" was .........!? Now, some kind of "Athlete")))))
      1. Uryukc
        Uryukc 27 October 2017 14: 49 New
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        Lynx is Iveco, which they wanted to localize, it once competed with the Tiger for the vacant seat of the main army SUV.
  2. NEXUS
    NEXUS 26 October 2017 15: 42 New
    +9
    And what about the Scorpio project? It was Scorpio that they wanted to make the most massive armored car of our army.
    1. Uryukc
      Uryukc 26 October 2017 15: 46 New
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      Didn’t you want to? The tiger is now the most, no?
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 26 October 2017 15: 48 New
        +5
        Quote: Uryukc
        Didn’t you want to? The tiger is now the most, no?

        The tiger is much more expensive ...
        1. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 27 October 2017 10: 49 New
          0
          Scorpio can not be compared with the Tiger. Scorpio - a replacement for the UAZ, Tiger - a heavy armored car, a platform for installing antennas, Cornets, etc.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 26 October 2017 16: 00 New
      +8
      Quote: NEXUS
      And what about the Scorpio project?

      You do not.
      Deripaska cannot receive any income from him, therefore the car must be forgotten.

      The question is different. How did he manage to get money out of Moscow for the development of an analogue of KAMAZ-53949? Well, how much hairy paw should you have ???
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 26 October 2017 17: 11 New
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        Quote: Spade
        Deripaska cannot receive any income from him, therefore the car must be forgotten.


        And Deripaska is not at all involved here. The development of Scorpions was not done by his office, but by Zashchita CJSC. But they apparently do not have enough production capacity for the deployment of mass serial production. The state does not allocate money for the construction of such a highly specialized automobile plant.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 26 October 2017 17: 22 New
          +1
          Quote: wanderer_032
          And Deripaska is not at all involved here. The development of Scorpions was not done by his office, but by Zashchita CJSC.

          That's it!
          Not for that his PR service swelled so much money into a virtual fight with Iveco LMV / Lynx, so that instead of it they would start buying Scorpions protected from explosions

          Quote: wanderer_032
          But they apparently lack production capacity

          The military-industrial complex has even too many of them. Judging by the attempts to impose on the MO their absolutely unnecessary “Tigers” wherever possible.
          1. wanderer_032
            wanderer_032 26 October 2017 17: 39 New
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            The military-industrial complex has even too many of them. Judging by the attempts to impose on the MO their absolutely unnecessary “Tigers” wherever possible.

            That is yes. The Tiger is too complex and expensive to mass produce. Yes, and the operation is also imposed, judging by the reviews.
            For the role of a multipurpose army car - is not good. Like BRDM - also sucks.

            Here UAZ appeared "Profi", with a payload of 1,5 tons. As a basic chassis for a multipurpose army car - it is quite suitable. But it is necessary to modify it under military requirements.
            But BRDM is still a specialized machine should be. Just like in CA. At least in the wheeled version, at least in the crawler (BRM).
            1. Vadmir
              Vadmir 27 October 2017 05: 45 New
              +2
              A Tiger class car is also needed. However, the increase in carrying capacity to 2t., Suggests that this is already a competitor to typhoon, why produce identical cars for their intended purpose. It is necessary to bring to mind one model in each segment.
              The need for a light armored car is much higher, in my opinion it is necessary to bring the Scorpion, or to make a car of this class, if the Scorpion is not satisfied with something. There are already too many trucks.
              The problem is that our industry does not produce a reliable and highly passable jeep - the Patriot is not the base on which you can make a good car.
              The only way to go from the opposite is to make a good, modern army jeep, including an armored version, and then, as part of the conversion, to create a jeep for private traders on its basis.
              1. wanderer_032
                wanderer_032 16 November 2017 08: 12 New
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                Quote: Vadmir
                The only way to go from the opposite is to make a good, modern army jeep, including an armored version, and then, as part of the conversion, to create a jeep for private traders on its basis.


                It is unlikely to succeed. Because over the 25 years, many of our citizens have tasted the products of the Yaposha and other foreign automobile industries and their requests for cars in general over the years have increased significantly.
                This is not the USSR, when the dream of many was to purchase GAZ-69 or UAZ-469 for personal use. Today, you won’t surprise or lure anyone with such a “kalach”.
                1. Vadmir
                  Vadmir 17 November 2017 02: 33 New
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                  There are those who buy the Patriot, but it's not the cheapest car on the market.
                  1. wanderer_032
                    wanderer_032 17 November 2017 20: 22 New
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                    Quote: Vadmir
                    There are those who buy the Patriot,


                    Patriot - a purely civilian car.
                    Military vehicles and civilians vary significantly in design. The requirements are too different. In all countries of the world, military automotive technology has long been designed and manufactured separately from civilian. According to its specific application.
  3. assa67
    assa67 26 October 2017 15: 46 New
    +8
    apparently, taking into account the Syrian experience ....
    Quote: Uryukc
    UAZ Patriot, Scorpio, Wolf, Tiger, Athlete .. forgot nothing?

    develop, then choose the best ...
    1. Chelentanych
      Chelentanych 26 October 2017 15: 56 New
      +7
      Why? You need to do one thing and thoughtfully. One chassis and various modifications already on it.
      1. assa67
        assa67 26 October 2017 16: 02 New
        +6
        Quote: Chelentanich
        You need to do one thing and thoughtfully

        parallel development paths did not bring harm .... different design bureaus, different options .. take the same aircraft
        1. Chelentanych
          Chelentanych 26 October 2017 16: 12 New
          +6
          There was too much scrap metal in this segment (Serdyukovsky Lynx (iveco), Shot, Vodnik, here we are waiting for the scorpion ...)! At this rate, we look like the Syrian barmaley who hang up a pickup with sheet metal, add the DShK and here it is, “The latest armored car,” well, or as neighbors, but there is something new every day ...
          1. assa67
            assa67 26 October 2017 16: 22 New
            +7
            laughing yeah, we don’t catch up with the neighbors .... and I just wanted to ask about the Iveks! ..... and as for the Tiger ... it seems that it’s not badly established itself
            1. Chelentanych
              Chelentanych 26 October 2017 16: 45 New
              +4
              Neighbors are beyond competition, engineering doesn’t let you fall asleep simply, the last tank is just a masterpiece laughing As for the Tiger, it keeps 2 kg in tests ... they don’t put so much in landmines, there are many times more. Mine action must be improved unambiguously.
              1. assa67
                assa67 26 October 2017 16: 49 New
                +6
                when the cistern for transporting gunpowder, the booze saw, almost died laughing .... and where do we go before them? ....
              2. Lopatov
                Lopatov 26 October 2017 17: 05 New
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                Quote: Chelentanich
                Regarding the Tiger in the tests, 2 kg holds

                ??
                You are confusing something.
                1. Chelentanych
                  Chelentanych 27 October 2017 08: 48 New
                  +1
                  Here on VO they discussed the video of the Zvezda channel Quote: "The report notes that the Tiger of the standard modification" withstands an explosion of up to 600 grams of explosives under the bottom, "and the reinforced Tiger - up to 2 kg." And according to tests, the protection class is Level 2 A stanag 6/3 sorry I did not find the information, I will be grateful if you enlighten hi
              3. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 26 October 2017 17: 05 New
                +3
                EMNIP, that "tiger" that has mine defense is not being purchased. And they take one that does not actually have it.
                So the "lynx" is so far the only mass-produced army light armored vehicle with mine defense.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 26 October 2017 17: 16 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  EMNIP, that "tiger" that has mine defense is not being purchased.

                  Due to its absence in nature. "Tiger-6A" was never submitted to state tests.
                  The test for resistance to undermining was not carried out. Apparently, unlike Zashchita or KamAZ, VPK do not intend to spend their money on this. Therefore, the protection of the "Tiger-6A" from bombings is only declared.
                  1. wanderer_032
                    wanderer_032 26 October 2017 17: 45 New
                    +1
                    Totally agree. It can only protect against small arms fire. Well, a collision with an anti-personnel or IED of low power will not end in anything terrible for him either.
                    He will not be able to withstand anti-aircraft, anti-bottom and other anti-tank mines and other powerful engineering ammunition.
                  2. jonht
                    jonht 27 October 2017 00: 18 New
                    +1
                    I won’t say anything about the Tiger-6A, but even here the video on the site was about the Tiger, where they shot at him point-blank from the SVD and blew kg of TNT at 2.
                    I think if you look, you will find.
                    1. wanderer_032
                      wanderer_032 16 November 2017 08: 25 New
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                      Quote: jonht
                      I won’t say anything about the Tiger-6A, but even here the video on the site was about the Tiger, where they shot at him point-blank from the SVD and blew kg of TNT at 2.


                      That's right. His armor is able to protect only from the fire of small arms feces. 7,62 mm, incl. if armor-piercing incendiary bullets are used.
                      And by today's standards, ballistic protection of such equipment is required at least from armor-piercing bullets of caliber 12,7 mm and higher.

                      2 kg in the fuel cell is protection against anti-personnel mines and low-power IEDs. All.
                      Now these PMZ parameters are already outdated; for modern technology PMZ is already required least from anti-tank mines of small and medium power, as well as from IEDs of medium power (from 6 kg in fuel cells and more).
          2. Ryazan87
            Ryazan87 26 October 2017 16: 50 New
            +3
            At the same time, there was no other mrapa except Lynx.
            Of the rest of the above, there is exactly the same amount of sense as from the Barmaley crafts.
            Although, of course, in comparison with products like "Hussar" this is progress.
            In general, I agree: I drank it as it is. The same problem in Ukraine is observed, by the way.
            Key features for a modern armored car: 1. high level of protection against the threat of detonation + protection against rifle; 2. remotely controlled weapons system. If it’s not there, you don’t need to fuck.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 26 October 2017 17: 11 New
              +7
              Quote: Ryazanets87
              At the same time, there was no other mrapa except Lynx.

              Strictly speaking, the Lynx is not an MRAP, but a light armored car with protection against explosions. In fact, there is an analogue, "Scorpio." However, the Protection Corporation does not have a hairy arm so that the machine gets into the troops.
              1. Ryazan87
                Ryazan87 26 October 2017 17: 40 New
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                In terminology I agree.
                "There is practically an analogue," Scorpio. " - Can’t you bring the appropriate characteristics? (I may be wrong, but, in my opinion, they wanted to do it from the very beginning - https://twower.livejournal.com/1789601.html).
            2. Albert1988
              Albert1988 26 October 2017 17: 14 New
              +2
              Quote: Ryazanets87
              At the same time, there was no other mrapa except Lynx.

              In your reasoning, there is one small detail such that crosses out exactly all your subsequent reasoning - "lynx" - NOT MIRP ...
              1. Uryukc
                Uryukc 26 October 2017 17: 27 New
                +1
                Quote: Albert1988
                "lynx" - NOT MIRAP ...

                MRAP (English mine resistant ambush protected - protected from undermining and attacks from ambushes, mine-resistant ambush protected)
                Lynx allegedly by STANAG 4569 Level 2 protected. So you are wrong ..
              2. Lopatov
                Lopatov 26 October 2017 17: 35 New
                +3
                That's right. There is confusion in terminology. The presence of protection against explosions does not make the armored car MRAP-ohm.
                For there is no second component, protection from ambushes. The “Lynx” with this is not particularly. It is painfully light. Therefore, almost all known cases of Iveco LMV bombings resulted in severe injuries or the death of a shooter in the sunroof. Which, in fact, carried out this protection.
                In addition, more Americans in Iraq realized that MRAP should provide protection against RPGs. At the "lynx" with this, too bad.
                1. Uryukc
                  Uryukc 26 October 2017 17: 39 New
                  +2
                  Duc, too, and with mine protection, apparently there is no 2 level. It’s just one thing to declare, another thing to realize. And in general it’s difficult to make an all-protected car out of an SUV.
            3. Vlad.by
              Vlad.by 27 October 2017 11: 05 New
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              And cross? What is the use of MRI if it gets stuck in the first snowy meadow like Iveco?
  4. Herculesic
    Herculesic 26 October 2017 15: 51 New
    +4
    The athlete is also a family - "athlete", "weightlifter", "athlete" sad Why such a variety of diverse armored cars? ??? fool
    1. Midshipman
      Midshipman 26 October 2017 15: 54 New
      +2
      Will serve
  5. Sergey53
    Sergey53 26 October 2017 15: 59 New
    +4
    Everything is back to square one. It seems they fought for the reduction of the nomenclature. Or this is something else.
  6. marshes
    marshes 26 October 2017 16: 04 New
    +1
    On the chassis of the UAZ Patriot, create a further line of cars. Something will be like Ford.
    Patriot himself, book, if you can’t get it, put the “creamika” on top of the doors.
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 26 October 2017 17: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: marshes
      Patriot himself, book, if you can’t get it, put the “creamika” on top of the doors.

      Yeah, only here it is necessary that this patriot then goes off-road. You take a look at the amers - they have, in addition to simple "Humves", a whole bunch of different degrees of "blotteriness."
      1. marshes
        marshes 26 October 2017 17: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: Albert1988
        Yeah, only here it is necessary that this patriot then goes off-road. You take a look at the amers - they have, in addition to simple "Humves", a whole bunch of different degrees of "blotteriness."

        The Patriot normally walks on impassability, even with Korean bridges and a razdatka, it seems that they were taken from SANG YENG Kyron. Sometimes you need experience to just use the razdatka.
        The Humvee is already a pose yesterday, the OGKOSHA scumbags use it to their fullest, not a bad machine, there is a chance to survive after blowing up 120 mm mines or 122 mm shells as a landmine.
        That's what they like, they have a whole line on the chassis from Ford, F-350-550 and can on the chassis from Kruzak 70 ki.
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 26 October 2017 22: 28 New
          +1
          Quote: marshes
          Patriot walks normally on the road, even with Korean bridges and a razdatka,

          Yeah. but how will he go with armor that holds at least a Kalash from an acceptable distance and a remotely-controlled combat module on the roof? Each car has its own niche and tigers to be replaced by armored patriots, but it doesn’t work out - the classes of cars are too different.
  7. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 26 October 2017 16: 11 New
    +6
    10 years for the Tiger is not a deadline. Probably during this time all the "childhood diseases" crawled out and were eliminated to an acceptable level. So why create another car, raw and not tested?
    1. Uryukc
      Uryukc 26 October 2017 16: 23 New
      +4
      Quote: Corsair0304
      So why create another car, raw and not tested?

      Well, the Tiger has weak anti-mine properties, I venture to suggest that the Athlete will have to combine his protection against small arms with good protection from IEDs. Maybe they will take as a basis the cargo chassis, as in the case of Typhunenk, who covered it, because of the ban on the use of imported engines. It just coincides with the fact that the protection and the transported weight will increase, so the chassis is most likely from the truck.
      1. marshes
        marshes 26 October 2017 16: 45 New
        +4
        Quote: Uryukc
        Well, the Tiger has weak anti-mine properties,

        Yes, no.
        Now 120mm mines, 122-152-155 mm shells are going to the IED tab, they are easier to install. And in the war zone it’s easy to find.
        Therefore, it is necessary to make machines resistant to these munitions, this is the class MRAP.
        And light cars with bulletproof protection, with the ability to protect the bottom from grenade detonation. Something similar is done in Moscow for Kruzak-100-200, the same Lehi 470-570 and for Gelenvagen.
        Just an ordinary Patriot can be booked like that.
  8. Holoy
    Holoy 26 October 2017 16: 30 New
    0
    Someone in the Moscow Region has a good criminal income. Where are the "Specialists"?
  9. bddrus
    bddrus 26 October 2017 17: 34 New
    0
    Wolf, when did he die?
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 26 October 2017 17: 56 New
      +2
      The Wolf in production is even more complicated and more expensive than the Tiger. There is a BIUS and a complex suspension with variable clearance.
      In addition, he still has a number of shortcomings. "Wolf" car is not for mass production. Just like the Tiger.
  10. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 26 October 2017 18: 13 New
    0
    Oops cha! And here recently the praises of the “tiger” were sung - they say they’re better than everyone else and the “humvee” is not good for him .... And now it turns out they are going to upgrade ... but what about the proverb - “the best, the enemy of the good”?
    1. marshes
      marshes 26 October 2017 18: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Oops cha! And here recently the praises of the “tiger” were sung - they say they’re better than everyone else and the “humvee” is not good for him .... And now it turns out they are going to upgrade ... but what about the proverb - “the best, the enemy of the good”?

      With the American engine and automatic transmission, for VV NG it’s just so frisky, by the way, we have such ones. The same Spartan or like its Streit Group F-550 is heavy and less dynamic.
      1. Santos
        Santos 26 October 2017 20: 09 New
        +1
        bolt you in the field went ?? or so trynd ??
      2. Santos
        Santos 26 October 2017 20: 14 New
        +1
        You have the whole country with Amerovsky engines and AKP for ng
  11. thekhohol
    thekhohol 26 October 2017 19: 04 New
    +1
    Building a sentence in the title is almost perfectly consistent with the English language.
    And it contradicts Russian.
    This is definitely not a translation?
    1. Uryukc
      Uryukc 26 October 2017 20: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: thekhohol
      contrary to Russian.

      The molestation of the dark side, young Skywalker succumbed))
  12. Chelyabinsk1973
    Chelyabinsk1973 26 October 2017 20: 58 New
    0
    Quote: wanderer_032
    Quote: Uryukc
    UAZ Patriot,


    UAZ has a new truck with a payload capacity of 1,5 tons. UAZ "Profi". Its chassis can be used for the construction of military modifications. At the Interpolitech 2017 exhibition, such a machine was demonstrated for the Border Service of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation. In addition, the “Profi” in the basic civilian modification with the drive, the 4x2, recently passed the tests conducted by the NII-21 Ministry of Defense of the RF.
    Everyone can watch it in recent issues of "Military Acceptance", "Expedition to Elbrus", TC "Star" in the 3 parts.
    And the theme with the Patriot, as with a military vehicle, is deaf. It is not suitable for this role. Too low carrying capacity and too many all kinds of bells and whistles unnecessary for a military machine.

    This was to be expected when the general tore off the handle on the door and threw it out of the window.