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Bulgarian Navy: Build us a patrol ship, cheap

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The Bulgarian Ministry of Defense publishes a report on significant problems in the implementation of the project for the purchase of a multipurpose modular patrol ship for the country's Navy. If initially seven companies expressed an interest in the project, then in the end “with interest” there was only one left. This is reported by the Bulgarian press.


The submission states that the heads of four companies stated that they could not provide their proposals, and two others stopped responding to requests from the Bulgarian military department.

In this situation, the Bulgarian military department is reportedly ready to work with a single sentence. The statement of the commander of the naval forces of Bulgaria Mitko Petev:
In accordance with the rules of the project of investment costs, if there is even a single offer, it should be considered, its evaluation should be carried out.


Bulgarian Navy: Build us a patrol ship, cheap

The photo - Corvette "Decisive" Bulgarian Navy (built by the USSR)


This assessment is carried out not only by the Bulgarian Ministry of Defense, but also by the Ministry of Economy and the Ministry of Finance.

Estimated as the technical side of the issue, then the proposal for the total cost of implementing the project of the patrol ship. Earlier in Bulgaria stated that the proposal for military construction is one of the companies of the Netherlands. It was reported that the Bulgarian Navy is going to acquire two new patrol ships in the coming years.
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  1. Partyzan
    Partyzan 26 October 2017 14: 58
    15
    The submission states that the heads of four companies stated that they could not provide their proposals, and two others stopped responding to requests from the Bulgarian military department.
    little brothers want laughing but the freebie is over - like a geyropu - pay
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 26 October 2017 15: 05
      10
      And who should they patrol if there is a solid NATO around their borders? belay
      1. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 26 October 2017 15: 55
        +2
        Why does Bulgaria need a fleet. There is no submarine and it’s normal ...
        Already, the planes of NATO countries (Air Policing mission) cover the skies of Bulgaria on the principle of rotation. Now from October 25 to November 7 at the air base Graf Ignatievo a joint Bulgarian-Polish flight training is being held.

        Three MiG-29 planes of the Polish Air Force are participating in the training session. Bulgarian MiG-29 planes are participating in the training. Also, the Italian Air Force EF-2000 planes are participating, which now guard the sky of Bulgaria
        1. 210ox
          210ox 26 October 2017 16: 10
          +4
          To your left, if you look at the Black Sea there are idiots ... They don’t have a fleet, but there are admirals and land sailors .. Take an example.
          Quote: To be or not to be
          Why does Bulgaria need a fleet. There is no submarine and it’s normal ...
          Already, the planes of NATO countries (Air Policing mission) cover the skies of Bulgaria on the principle of rotation. Now from October 25 to November 7 at the air base Graf Ignatievo a joint Bulgarian-Polish flight training is being held.

          Three MiG-29 planes of the Polish Air Force are participating in the training session. Bulgarian MiG-29 planes are participating in the training. Also, the Italian Air Force EF-2000 planes are participating, which now guard the sky of Bulgaria
        2. pytar
          pytar 27 October 2017 12: 43
          +3
          There is no submarine and it’s normal ...

          Buy it. The plans of the Navy purchase on 2 new.
          Already, the planes of NATO countries (Air Policing mission) cover the sky of Bulgaria according to the principle of rotation ... From the Bulgarian MiG-29 planes, the EF-2000 planes of the Italian Air Force are also participating, which now guard the sky of Bulgaria

          What's so bad Training and rotation are useful for all participants. The plans of the BG-VS update the equipment of the Air Force, SS and Navy in the next few years. The budget already allows.
      2. PalBor
        PalBor 26 October 2017 15: 56
        +2
        And the Romanians - the nation of the bow and master keys? Hereditary smugglers? Yes, and the Greeks ... And NATO, it is somewhere there.
      3. alexmach
        alexmach 26 October 2017 16: 20
        0
        What does it mean to whom? NATO is the roof of the Russian Threat, and you should always keep your eyes open with your neighbors.
      4. Slovak
        Slovak 26 October 2017 19: 23
        +1
        They have terribly thieving neighbors, that Romania, that Ukraine.
    2. Logall
      Logall 26 October 2017 15: 07
      12
      Quote: Partyzan
      would like to geyropu - pay

      In Europe and in kind will take love ! By land, I mean ... And also by markets!
      But I'm afraid that everything has already been sold there ...
      1. Orionvit
        Orionvit 26 October 2017 15: 28
        +5
        Let them take an example from the Baltic states and ukrov, and transfer to inflatable boats. They don’t shine more. Already, airplanes do not fly.
        1. Kondratko
          Kondratko 26 October 2017 18: 05
          +1
          Yes, besides:
          If initially seven companies expressed interest in implementing the project, as a result, only one remained with “interest”.

          ... by chance, did the outskirts "company" decide to help by reselling inflatable rafts / mattresses to the Bulgarians?
          lol
      2. wei
        wei 26 October 2017 15: 50
        +4
        The market is when the guys are sitting on bags of gold with bare backsides laughing
        Bulgarians have bare buttocks, but no gold. This is the main problem of capitalism.
        1. pytar
          pytar 30 October 2017 14: 04
          +2
          Bulgarians have bare buttocks, but no gold.

          Your assumption is not confirmed by facts. And the facts are: Bulgaria currently has gold reserves in 40,2 tone. This is 6,6% of the foreign exchange reserves that make up 23,5 billion euro. In the world, Bulgaria is located on the 47th place in terms of ZR. Follow the countries of Central and Eastern Europe, she is on the 9th place. Bulgaria is included in the 3-ku of the EU countries with the lowest percentage / 18,3% / ratio of external debt to GDP. The fifth year, the economy is growing with a steady 3,2-3,6%. For comparison, at the end of the social, Bulgaria declared bankruptcy. In 91, the treasury had only 300 million dollars, while urgent loans had to be paid more than 1 billion dollars.
    3. 79807420129
      79807420129 26 October 2017 15: 53
      +9
      Give me a drink, otherwise I want to eat so much that there is no place to spend the night, as the hohlops already beg. lol
      1. Partyzan
        Partyzan 26 October 2017 16: 06
        +7
        Quote: 79807420129
        Give me a drink, otherwise I want to eat so much that there is no place to spend the night, as the hohlops already beg. lol

        and what are they better? also chased geyropeyskih values ​​- and the cookies are over request
    4. stolz
      stolz 26 October 2017 16: 59
      +5
      They chose a bad day, because they serve the poor, as they ruled, on Sundays.
    5. Juborg
      Juborg 26 October 2017 23: 41
      0
      Yeah! With the level of Bulgarian corruption, where even the Bulgarian border guards were removed from the border, replacing them with Hungarians and Poles, they will build this watchman for a hundred years.
      1. pytar
        pytar 27 October 2017 09: 44
        +2
        Yeah! With the level of Bulgarian corruption, where even the Bulgarian border guards were removed from the border, replacing them with Hungarians and Poles, they will build this watchman for a hundred years.

        In the ranking according to the level of corruption, Bulgaria is at the 75 place from the 176 countries of the world. Russia does not occupy a very venerable 136 place. The number 1 with the lowest level of corruption is occupied by Denmark and New Zealand. On the last 176 place is Somalia, as the most corrupt country in the world.
        http://gtmarket.ru/ratings/corruption-perceptions
        -index / info
        1. Mikhail Zubkov
          Mikhail Zubkov 28 October 2017 10: 04
          +1
          All these ratings are written in the US CIA. Russian border guards do not take it, that's for sure, they have a hard time with this - they are subordinate to the FSB. Customs takes it from us - but it takes it from everyone, it takes even more than others from the Americans - I have been convinced of this more than once. Their market is full of drugs - drug dealers are on every corner - and where are they in the ranking? All the police are corrupt - and not all of them! We mainly fight with drugs. So do not pop us your ratings!
          1. pytar
            pytar 30 October 2017 19: 29
            +2
            Okay. Leave the ratings for the CIA. laughing I often visit the Russian Federation. I have personal experience and can compare. I will refrain from commenting, so as not to offend someone else. There is a national program to combat corruption in the Russian Federation. In Bulgaria, of course, there is corruption. But then a Bulgarian company will probably get a contract. Nothing bad! request
  2. Primoos
    Primoos 26 October 2017 14: 59
    +8
    You bros, turn to kaklam. They will sell you a cruiser at the price of scrap metal. They have one. Not yet rusted through. You will be cheaply energetic and farting.
  3. assa67
    assa67 26 October 2017 14: 59
    +6
    and what is the matter? of the seven companies, only one remained .... so did the level of trust drop? in other ways, not surprisingly after the history of the "Turkish stream"
  4. Puss in Boots
    Puss in Boots 26 October 2017 15: 00
    +5
    give us someone thread a new airplane, build us a boat - I'm bastard with "bro brothers" laughing
    1. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 26 October 2017 15: 13
      +5
      It was inspired - "mistress, I want to give some water to drink, otherwise I just want to eat that there’s nowhere to sleep."
      1. Logall
        Logall 26 October 2017 15: 19
        11
        How ours did not subscribe?
        Our hostess will also lay next to her ...
        1. Solomon Kane
          Solomon Kane 26 October 2017 17: 52
          +4
          How ours did not subscribe?

          Yes, see the end of the "South Stream" all desire repelled ...
          Sanya, great !!!! 1 hi
          1. Logall
            Logall 26 October 2017 18: 27
            12
            Kostya, hi!
            That's just the point that they could earn ... And now instead of them their `` sworn friends '', Ottomans will earn!
            Sucker is fate! That's what it means to dance to someone else's tune ...
        2. Partyzan
          Partyzan 26 October 2017 20: 07
          +5
          Quote: Logall
          How ours did not subscribe?
          Our hostess will also lay next to her ...

          depending on who
      2. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac 26 October 2017 20: 16
        0
        Quote: Stock Officer
        It was inspired - "mistress, I want to give some water to drink, otherwise I just want to eat that there’s nowhere to sleep."

        not "nowhere" but "not with anyone"
  5. ded100
    ded100 26 October 2017 15: 10
    +2
    The Americans will write out some rubbish that has been written off at a cheap price if asked well! wassat
  6. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 26 October 2017 15: 17
    +2
    For cheap - the only way. + Forty-two containers with levs (but only copper stotinki). They, of course, are no longer there, so only inflatable boats (price list from neighbors).
    1. pytar
      pytar 30 October 2017 14: 09
      +2
      Bulgarian Lev has 160% security with foreign currency and gold. From 90, there is a currency board. 2 BGN = 1 Euro without options. yes
      1. Sergey-8848
        Sergey-8848 30 October 2017 15: 19
        0
        Well, that means thirty-one containers with stotinki + a bust of Todor Zhivkov into the load.
        1. pytar
          pytar 30 October 2017 16: 27
          +2
          For the needs of the Armed Forces before 2020, it is foreseen about 900 million euros. BG GDP in 2017 reached 50 billion euros. In 2018, 52 billion will be exceeded. There are containers and there is money. We will leave the bust of Todor Zhivkov in museums where the ego is a place. laughing
          1. Sergey-8848
            Sergey-8848 30 October 2017 16: 41
            0
            You, most importantly, don’t touch Alyosha’s heroes either. Millions and billions of euros flying by can be considered with enthusiasm (and we have such a disease). In pursuit of Euro-values, led by Azis "Mrazish", do not forget yourself and the ancestors who laid down their lives for you ..
            1. pytar
              pytar 30 October 2017 16: 58
              +3
              Alyosha does not touch anyone. But about Shipka and speech can not be. We have never touched monuments in honor of Russia! Tell me, where in another country in the world there is 530 monument in honor of the Soviet Union / 100 / Russia / 430 /? And where in what country are still being built? We have built 10-12 new ones in the last 10-15 years!
              Azis has nothing to do with Euro values. He and he are similar, Orient closer. laughing
              1. Sergey-8848
                Sergey-8848 30 October 2017 17: 15
                0
                Touch, Boyan, even as they touch. Periodically, some strange personages chosen by the Bulgarian people as deputies throw such ideas. Young people (ours and yours) sitting in Ai-Phon will support any hat for 33,3 euros, not realizing that this is not a flash mob (Fu, again I have to express myself with foreign words. And this is because the weather is foreign, and filthy).
                PS We have such "Scum" - also a dime a dozen, but recently they have only been greeted in slop channels.
                PPS Well, to the headline, Boyan. The NRB had a fleet - but NATO Bulgaria did not even have a flotilla.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 30 October 2017 17: 29
                  +3
                  We are talking about several custom provocations. You can count on the fingers. For the 10-20 greens in each country there are a handful of marginals paid from one unnamed embassy to spray at night with frey. These are not Bulgarian people and not Bulgarian youth. See, it actually happens and do not believe the enemy propaganda! This is where the Bulgarian people are!


                  PS The NRB had enemies more heavily. We spent a third of the state budget on weapons in the name of “the victory of communism for the lands”! Now Bulgaria has the best relations with neighbors in history! We spend less than 1% of GDP on weapons! May there finally be peace on the Balkans! Our peoples are tired of squabbles and bloodshed.
                  1. Sergey-8848
                    Sergey-8848 30 October 2017 17: 42
                    +1
                    For photography - a big plus. Good people are still Bulgarians. For naivety - minus!
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 30 October 2017 21: 19
                      +3
                      Just one clarification! These are not photographs, but video with sound. To view, click on the arrow. They are short! For these 5 min. You will understand the whole insolvency of the Bulgarian-Phobic campaign, promoted in the media! good
  7. Berkut24
    Berkut24 26 October 2017 15: 26
    +1
    Only Ukrainians "Sagaidachny" are inexpensive. Of the two, you can collect one, 3 years is still like.
  8. san4es
    san4es 26 October 2017 15: 30
    +6
    The composition of the naval forces of Bulgaria
    The combat strength of the Bulgarian Navy submarine "Glory" project 633, frigate "Drizki" class "Wielingen", corvette "Dare" project 1159, corvettes "Flying", "Vigilance", "Fearless", "Brave" project 204, corvettes "Resoltni ”,“ Baudry ”of project 1241.2, medium landing ships“ Sirius ”and“ Antares ”project 770, seven small landing ships of project 106K, base minesweepers“ Breeze ”,“ Shkval ”,“ Surf ”,“ Storm ”project 1265E, raid minesweepers Project 257D Iskar, Zibar, Dobrotich, Eustat Vinarov, four raid minesweepers of project 1258, six raid minesweepers of project 1259, two minesweepers of project 501, missile boats of project 1241.1T Lightning, missile boats of the project 205E “Uragon”, “Gram”, “Svetkavitsa”, “Twister”, “Storm”, “Typhoon”.

    Corvette "Reshetny"

    submarine "Glory" of project 633

    corvette "Dare" of the project 1159
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 26 October 2017 15: 31
    +1
    Build us someone a patrol ship, inexpensive

    And separately for Russia - do not forget that you always helped us when we were unbearable. Now, we’ve fled, especially after your minister’s latest statements about the threats to Russia. Have the "little brothers" survived?
    1. Maksim
      Maksim 26 October 2017 15: 52
      +2
      Or maybe they ran away because of the quotes near the little brothers, or because of your new arrogance?
      If you are so ... on the side of us, why in a day an article about Bulgaria and Great Russian srach in comments?
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 26 October 2017 16: 35
        +1
        Or maybe they ran away because of the quotes near the little brothers, or because of your new arrogance?

        Or maybe explain more intelligibly and in Russian, what did you mean? I was particularly interested in this
        newcomer

        Go ahead
        every other day an article about Bulgaria and Great Russian srach in comments?
        Dear, are you telling us this? Yes, your old men slap you in the face for such an attitude towards the Russians. But you are obviously Europe now, and there it is simply customary to blame Russia in everything. That's just not for you, the Bulgarians (young and not knowing) to raise their voices in our country! Therefore, it is better to close and shut up, if not for Russia, then you would not have been born.
        1. Maksim
          Maksim 26 October 2017 18: 18
          0
          Or maybe explain it more intelligibly and in Russian,

          I'll try, but I can’t guarantee the result.

          When there were chills in Russian-Bulgarian relations:
          1885 - immediately after the Unification of Bulgaria, the so-called. The putsch of Russophiles, when, on a command from St. Petersburg, Bulgarian officers overthrew the Bulgarian prince.

          1913 - Nicholas 2 retired as an arbiter in the Bulgarian-Serbian dispute over part of Macedonia, and also refused to put pressure on Serbia about the withdrawal of its troops from the Besporn part of that same Macedonia.

          1988-1990 - the NWZ and the Internal Affairs Directorate collapsed and with Bulgaria the USSR began to demand dolars for their goods, which Bulgarian economics could not get, since it was tightly attached to the Soviet one. After the collapse of the police department, Bulgaria for almost 15 years was not a member of military blocs. And by the way, the movement about neutrality and non-attachment was quite strong. However - then you yourself know.

          Yes, I’m telling you this - look at the comments, put your hand on your heart and answer - am I wrong in 8 out of 10 cases?
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 26 October 2017 21: 18
            0
            Quote: Mac Sim
            since she was tightly attached to the Soviet one.

            Keywords. And the point is that the countries of Eastern Europe re-exported Russian resources to Europe, and Bulgaria had dollars, after the collapse of the USSR, the freebie stopped, hence your hatred of the Russians.
            1. Maksim
              Maksim 26 October 2017 22: 36
              +1
              Do you really think that Arerexport Bulgaria earned millions? This is the same myth as the one that someone fed.
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 26 October 2017 22: 49
                0
                Quote: Mac Sim
                Do you really think that Arerexport Bulgaria earned millions? This is the same myth as the one that someone fed.

                Not millions - billions.
                Nevertheless, someone fed someone.
                1. Maksim
                  Maksim 26 October 2017 23: 05
                  +1
                  And who whom? And enlighten - who feeds us now? And who fed in the 90s.
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 26 October 2017 23: 15
                    0
                    Quote: Mac Sim
                    And who whom? And enlighten - who feeds us now? And who fed in the 90s.

                    Why are you interested in?
                    1. Maksim
                      Maksim 27 October 2017 06: 40
                      +1
                      Interesting to know.
                      1. Setrac
                        Setrac 27 October 2017 08: 20
                        0
                        Quote: Mac Sim
                        Interesting to know.

                        Can you use Google?
                2. pytar
                  pytar 27 October 2017 09: 51
                  +2
                  You're about mutually beneficial economic cooperation of the CMEA countriesheard something? Nope ...? Okay... bully
                  Now, after all, do not feed anyone! 20 years old! Have you eaten? They began to live satisfyingly? Is life a success? If yes ... I'm happy for you! good
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 27 October 2017 09: 53
                    0
                    Quote: pytar
                    Now, after all, do not feed anyone! 20 years old! Have you eaten? They began to live satisfyingly?

                    Much better and more satisfying than in the USSR.
                    Quote: pytar
                    Are you aware of mutually beneficial economic cooperation between the CMEA countries? Nope ...?

                    Re-export of Soviet resources to the west has no relation to mutually beneficial cooperation, the benefit here is one-sided - for eastern Europe.
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 27 October 2017 11: 01
                      +2
                      Much better and more satisfying than in the USSR.

                      Are you talking about capitalists so ...? Yes, I know ... I often go to the Russian Federation! I see everything myself. Half of my relatives are Russians. bully
                      Re-export of Soviet resources to the west towards mutually beneficial cooperation has nothing to do with it, the benefit here is one-sided - for eastern Europe

                      Bulgaria, both economically and politically at 100%, depended on the USSR. Nothing was done here without the knowledge and resolution of Moscow. When at the end of the 80, Gorby demanded that the socialist countries pay dollars for energy resources, they were at a dead end. How do we get these dollars if the Bulgarian economy on 90-95% worked for the USSR and paid off transferable rubles? They began to take loans from Western banks and as a result in 90 reached bankruptcy.
                      If you yourself carefully read what you write, you will see a prickly contradiction in your words! "the benefit here is one-sided - for Eastern Europe"!
                      The USSR joins BE to its orbit of influence defines the rules here! And according to your BE, it's to blame that everything is so! And when the same USSR decides that alas ... communism cannot be built, it is time to move on to capitalism, again BE to blame! Yes, calm down already and stop writing nonsense! For an adult, this does not fit! stop
                      1. Mikhail Zubkov
                        Mikhail Zubkov 28 October 2017 10: 18
                        0
                        These inventions are also from the CIA - about the petty control of the socialist countries from Moscow. I myself worked in the socialist countries at the level of the department head of the Central Committee (on their part) - only key political and personnel decisions were discussed, moreover, in a friendly working tone, in a calm confidential discussion. They forbade nothing to anyone in a commanding tone, and did not impose anything, although they were interested in the decisions we needed - such as expanding the enrollment of students, training the necessary specialists, loans, etc. But the EU is now toughly commanding the Bulgarians, but it subsidizes a penny. For what they wanted, for that they sold themselves, gentlemen, Bulgarians!
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              3. pytar
                pytar 27 October 2017 12: 52
                +2
                Do you really think that Arerexport Bulgaria earned millions? This is the same myth as the one that someone fed.

                Mac-Sim, you must understand this category of people! Living with a mythoph is distracting from the hopeless reality around. request
                1. Maksim
                  Maksim 27 October 2017 20: 24
                  +1
                  Vaptsarov was right when he wrote that "bullets have not been invented for faith ...". Some people have faith in their own Bulgarian myths that are worse than the Alahakbar manners of some comrades.
          2. Mikhail Zubkov
            Mikhail Zubkov 26 October 2017 21: 49
            0
            I answer - from 1941 to 1945, German radars from the Bulgarian coast (8 secret radars) worked against the USSR, and the Bulgarian army and air force participated in Hitler's operations against our allied countries in the Balkans and the Mediterranean. The Bulgarians who sympathized with the anti-fascist struggle were persecuted. The Nazis had in Bulgaria supply bases for their troops in Odessa and the Crimea, hospitals and recreation facilities. Enjoyed Bulgarian hospitality, and massive, killing local Jews and gypsies. The unbridled Russophobic propaganda was conducted - it is still being conducted. Bulgaria has already deployed ADVANCED US and NATO military bases. The country has already lost its sovereignty. Russians no longer have faith in the Bulgarians. Sympathy only remained.
            1. Maksim
              Maksim 26 October 2017 22: 39
              +1
              Agree - that's it. But this does not prove anything. All this on the territory of the USSR was many times more.
            2. pytar
              pytar 27 October 2017 10: 02
              +2
              .... and the USSR sent weapons from the submarines to the Bulgarian partisans and conducted reconnaissance from the Soviet embassy in Sofia for the entire period of the war. After all, Bulgaria and the USSR maintained normal deep relations in almost the entire WWII.
              By the way, among the prisoners who were captured by the Soviet Union, there is not a single Bulgarian. Why? Yes, because they did not fight against the USSR. And at that time ... a third of the Wehrmacht, were representatives of all European countries. Including neutral. It 1 500 000 Soviet citizens fought under one form or another against the USSR! ROA and a bunch of more formation is!
              Do you know that “fascist” Bulgaria did not surrender its Jews to the Nazis? Saved them all to one! What other claims to the Bulgarians?
              As for the situation at the Balkans, yes our inter-dismantling of the 13 centuries continues here! You were not even in remembrance as a people when the Greeks, Serbs and Bulgarians fought among themselves! As for sovereignty ... 99% of the countries in the world have limited sovereignty. Especially those who are small. Russia is also not completely independent. Help is a statement by President Putin. There is it on YouTube.
              1. Mikhail Zubkov
                Mikhail Zubkov 28 October 2017 10: 34
                0
                So it’s you who started from the raids of the Russians (supposedly) on your prince in the 19th century (1885)! You had the entire Tsarist dynasty — pro-German — there were dynastic conflicts, disagreements, although we also had kings of the Germans, and Putin was also a Germanophile. Lenin was generally semi-German and Russophobe, Russophobes were Trotsky and Dzerzhinsky. But Brezhnev is generally a Ukrainian in the passport. He kissed and gave Zhivkov, even with tanks, even with planes, even with ships. But you put Zhivkov and Brezhnev as enemies of Bulgaria - God will punish you for the sin of lies and slander!
                1. pytar
                  pytar 30 October 2017 14: 29
                  +2
                  So why then are all the children accused of Bulgaria, if both the “German trace” is clearly traced between us and you? As for Brezhnev, I, as a citizen of the Republic of Belarus, refrain from speaking out on his personality. But about our Todor, oh, oh ... He then managed to 3 times bring the country to bankrupt! The reserve has sold gold and currency in order to retain its power! This is one of the articles by which he was condemned after 90-th according to human laws. And God is to stoop all. No shutdown.
      2. pytar
        pytar 26 October 2017 17: 25
        +2
        The article itself is entitled with a provocative subtext! laughing "Bulgarian Navy: Build us someone a patrol ship, inexpensive"! This gives the answer to your Mac-Sim question. It can be seen that it is considered abnormal that each customer seeks to give as little money as possible and receive as much product as possible on them! lol
        1. Sergey Medvedev
          Sergey Medvedev 26 October 2017 17: 49
          +3
          Quote: pytar
          each customer seeks to give as little money as possible and get as much product as possible on them!

          The desire is normal in itself, as long as it is within the framework of common sense. But judging by the runaway contractors, your customers are no longer frugal, but squeezed. Not from a good life is understandable. In the interests of European solidarity, you have abandoned South Stream. But Germany doesn’t give a damn about Euro-solidarity, it breaks through the Nord Stream-2. This is information for you to think about, without jokes, jokes.
          1. Maksim
            Maksim 26 October 2017 18: 06
            +1
            Speaking normally, the contractors ran away because they realized that there would be no order. And why is Bulgaria now fleet? At the beginning of the 20th, it was created as part of the preparation of the war with Turkey. Then it was created as part of the OChF ATS. Is he to us now?
            1. urman
              urman 26 October 2017 20: 30
              +2
              Quote: Mac Sim
              Is he to us now?

              That's right, he’ll fuck you, at the foot of your rulers, or rather your people, they shot, abandoning the South Stream, and building a nuclear power plant. Why do they need money in the budget for pensions from transit, they will be fed by NATO and the EU, and a boat is needed as one of the escape options.
              1. Maksim
                Maksim 26 October 2017 22: 45
                +1
                Running on a ship looks like a completely different time. wassat
              2. pytar
                pytar 31 October 2017 11: 22
                +2
                YOUR rulers themselves, or rather their people, were shot, abandoning the South Stream, and the construction of a nuclear power plant

                There are rulers of all nations. Like "ours", but not ours! An example from the USSR / RF is Gorbi, Yeltsin ... As for UP, some guys from the Russian-Bulgarian energy mafia would sit on it and fill their pockets, but you would never move them! Even now they have the entire internal gas transmission network in their hands, for which gas prices are so overwhelming for farms. They don’t even think about pensions. Belene NPPs are likely to be completed. Negotiations are ongoing with Rosatom in the moment. 2 reactors have recently been loaded and driven to the site. And the boats of Bulgaria are needed, because there is a sea. 450 km. coastline. Fine. laughing
            2. pytar
              pytar 26 October 2017 22: 17
              +2
              We have a sea, we need a fleet. Building ships means developing that type of industry and creating jobs in the country. The contractors ran away because they were dispersed. There is nothing to spend Bulgarian money on other companies.
              “The minister has been selected and the vice-premier, Krasimir Karakachanov, is not a spiral or a repeater; . "
              1. Maksim
                Maksim 26 October 2017 22: 46
                +2
                You can build ships when there is a developed industry. Doing troughs with Chinese filling is not worth it.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 26 October 2017 22: 57
                  +3
                  There will be no developed industry if you do not begin to receive orders and build! You can’t escape the Chinese filling anyway. She’s better, even on the Pentagon’s computers ... laughing
          2. urman
            urman 26 October 2017 20: 23
            +2
            Quote: Sergei Medvedev
            But Germany doesn’t give a damn about Euro-solidarity, it breaks through the Nord Stream-2.

            And he talks, rubbing his hands, without a sucker and life is boring, referring to Bulgaria.
          3. pytar
            pytar 26 October 2017 22: 08
            +3
            What logic did you decide that it was not in common sense? To force foreign competitors to run away, is it bad for a Bulgarian company? belay It was reported in our press that the conditions of the competition clearly discriminate against foreign participants! Of 7 candidate 1 Bulgarian! 6 did not apply! Guess who has filed, and accordingly, who will receive the contract? Yes, so most of the Bulgarian money will remain in Bulgaria and create jobs!
            And from this South Stream, they have already muffled our ears! fellow For 4 of the year I worked on the land part of its route. You can’t give me any “information” because you don’t know anything from reality.
            1. urman
              urman 27 October 2017 08: 04
              0
              Quote: pytar
              I worked on the land part of its route for 4 years.

              I wonder what you need to know there, what
              at first it was South and then became Turkish.
              By the way, he worked for three years on the construction of the Russkaya CS
              From our side, everything went according to schedule, even with a small margin.
              1. pytar
                pytar 27 October 2017 10: 22
                +3
                I wonder what you need to know there, what

                There are a lot of things that are not publicly advertised on both the Russian side and the Bulgarian side. I suppose by mutual agreement. The press 99% write nonsense. Tooltip #1 : If one of the parties violates the agreements, then the other may sue. As in the case of Bellene NPP. Nothing happened to UP. Tooltip #2 : The gas pipeline to Crimea passing through the Kerch bridge is new, has a capacity several times greater than the needs of the peninsula. Tooltip #3 : UP had a length of 1200 km. The distance from the Crimea to the Bulgarian Dobrudja is only 340 km ... So, anything is possible. Let's wait. Putin will arrive in Bulgaria at the office. visit somewhere in March 2018

                From our side, everything went according to schedule, even with a small margin.

                From our side, work did not stop even a year and a half, after the project was “frozen” from the Russian side.
  10. Ferdinant
    Ferdinant 26 October 2017 15: 32
    +1
    Pilots for a moment29 do not want to fly, there are no ships, what a horror. Maybe Trump Zumvolt will give them?
    1. Ace Tambourine
      Ace Tambourine 26 October 2017 17: 49
      +1
      Yeah .... and for every shot on the annual budget ...
      1. pytar
        pytar 26 October 2017 22: 38
        +3
        The budget is Bulgarian! To you, how does this relate ??? fellow
  11. Kerensky
    Kerensky 26 October 2017 15: 52
    +1
    Yes, it always has been. Any customer asks for "automatic, so that the moon pierced through", and then the conditions change.
    1. pytar
      pytar 26 October 2017 22: 35
      +3
      And let's wait and see if it will be so? Why put a horse in front of the Taligan? laughing
  12. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 26 October 2017 15: 55
    +1
    multipurpose modular patrol ship and this happens?
    It looks like they want to buy at the price of a patrol, a small strike cruiser.
    1. LAWNER
      LAWNER 26 October 2017 16: 23
      0
      Also created the colossus of Rhodes)))
      They invited a specialist who ordered a specific height, a specific width and For a specific amount .... Then they offered to double the statue. The master did not think for a long time I doubled the amount ...
      As a result, when the height was doubled, the construction price increased 8 times. The master completed, went broke and committed suicide ...
      Maybe the Bulgarians know such masters ???
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 26 October 2017 21: 20
        0
        Quote: LAWNER
        The master completed, went broke and committed suicide ...

        The master simply did not know the math.
    2. pytar
      pytar 26 October 2017 17: 27
      +3
      When the publicly known technical parameters of the project become clear, it will be clearer what is meant by IMSC.
    3. Solomon Kane
      Solomon Kane 26 October 2017 17: 55
      +4
      , a small strike cruiser.

      Why trifle - immediately aircraft carrier with a group of ships in the load wassat
      1. Maksim
        Maksim 26 October 2017 18: 36
        0
        Immediately the star cruiser will be building. soldier
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 26 October 2017 21: 20
          0
          Quote: Mac Sim
          Immediately the star cruiser will be building.

          IPM?
          1. Maksim
            Maksim 26 October 2017 22: 48
            0
            VZKr is better.
  13. pytar
    pytar 26 October 2017 16: 19
    +4
    We are talking about the construction of multifunctional modular type patrol ships.
    According to Bulgarian law, the choice of a public procurement contractor must be determined with a competition. The deadline for submitting offers has ended at 23.10! An 1 offer has been submitted, but so far not disclosed, who submitted it? Unconfirmed information Bulgarian shipbuilder MTG Dolphin. It has a technological and industrial buzz capable of building such ships. The Bulgarian Minister of Defense, KR. Karakachanov, recently stated that the ships for the needs of the Bulgarian Navy are due to be built on BULGARIAN shipbuilders and the budget should remain in Bulgaria! Moreover, in the conditions for the competition there are those that clearly put foreign competitors at a disadvantage. Many experts even then commented that the winner of the competition is predetermined and he will be Bulgarian! In fact, the refusal of Western firms to participate suggests that the competition is held for formal compliance with the law, and the order will still be given by the Bulgarian company. If the contract really gets MTG Dolphin, then these assumptions will be correct. Bulgaria begins to implement a program to modernize and update the armed forces, while at the same time in the Navy, Air Force and SS. Due to the growth of the Bulgarian economy over the past 5-6 years, for the first time after the 90s, there are financial reserves in the Bulgarian budget that allow for phased implementation of such a program.
    1. niksan2002
      niksan2002 26 October 2017 21: 41
      0
      In Bulgaria, there is no one to build ships. KRSZ was cut, companies that emerged from the remnants of the plant are not able to build even a boat. They are engaged only in repairs. A close plant that is able to build a ship in Konstac (Romania), the property of the Americans or the British (I do not remember, but without char.)
      1. pytar
        pytar 26 October 2017 22: 53
        +2
        Is.
        https://dolphin1.bg/en/home/
        And they have been building ships for 10-15 years, both for the needs of Bulgarian customers and for foreign ones. 4 hours ago, the same MTG Dolphin began building new ships / dredges and product tankers at 2. 4 dredge for a row by order of Dutch Dredgin, and the tanker ordered Rubus Eastern Carribean.
        https://www.maritime.bg/2017/10/26/48130/
        1. niksan2002
          niksan2002 28 October 2017 16: 19
          0
          There is nothing to do with what it was. One river ship and a tugboat, in comparison with a sea combat boat.
          1. pytar
            pytar 30 October 2017 19: 35
            +2
            In terms of competitions / even if about repairing a kindergarten / there is a bunch of requirements for candidates. The participant must provide weighted written evidence of their technical security and the availability of competence for this type of work. This is a very extensive documentation. If a Bulgarian company was admitted, then it is guaranteed to prove its capabilities, right down to the names of specialists and their qualifications.
  14. Old26
    Old26 26 October 2017 16: 20
    +1
    Quote: Orionvit
    Let them take an example from the Baltic states and ukrov, and transfer to inflatable boats. They don’t shine more. Already, airplanes do not fly.

    They are going to buy 1 or 2 modern ones instead of one corvette. Unlike ukrov they have some kind but a fleet.
  15. Slavic Bulgarian shield
    Slavic Bulgarian shield 26 October 2017 16: 30
    +3
    All this is a corruption case. The most important thing is to get a bribe. There is not enough money for retirement, but a politician buys a corvette. And they say so to us: “On the goal of the tumbak, shift the food.” (On the bare abdomen, a couple of revolvers.
    1. LAWNER
      LAWNER 26 October 2017 16: 34
      +1
      Comrades from Bulgaria ..... Did MGT Dolphin ever build warships ???
      About the tanker, catamaran, tugs, I read ...
      1. pytar
        pytar 26 October 2017 16: 57
        +3
        I personally do not know anything about this company. Now I searched for the info and here is what I found / my translation /: "MTG-Delfin has the technological and industrial capacities for the construction of a patrol ship with a displacement of ---------, as well as for the supply of sensors and weapons for it. For the needs of system integration, there are signed agreements with European firms Tales / Holland /, "Leonardo-Finmekhanika" / Italy / and "DIL Defense" / Germany /.
        As I understand it, MTG-Dolphin intends to fulfill the order in cooperation with these companies. Certainly, the implementation of the project on the Bulgarian shipbuilder and from the Bulgarian company, even in cooperation with Western companies, will reduce its cost.
    2. pytar
      pytar 26 October 2017 16: 42
      +3
      It’s about good money, so corruption cannot do without corruption. laughing It is so all over the world. Okay, part of the money will be stolen anyway, but let even these ships stand at our place, and not in other shipbuilders! Pensions will never be missed. And you still have to buy corvettes! If a country does not feed its army ... it will feed a stranger! For more than 15 years, the BGA has been sitting on a hungry ration! We have a simple choice: With a goal tumbak and without food or on a goal tumbak chefte food! laughing
      1. niksan2002
        niksan2002 28 October 2017 16: 24
        0
        For 15 years, it has been feeding foreign armies. And how peas everything began, in the time of Zhivkov. Then they said that we don’t need an army. NATO will protect us and other foreign armies began to feed us.
        1. pytar
          pytar 30 October 2017 19: 47
          +2
          15 years, as the military budget makes up 1-1,20% of GDP. We have the best relations with our neighbors in our entire history. We don’t feed any foreign armies. Under Todor Zhivkov, the military budget is real; it amounted to 30-35% of GDP. And there are only enemies around. As a result, from 50 to 90, Bulgaria reached 3 times total bankruptcy.
  16. Oleg7700
    Oleg7700 26 October 2017 16: 49
    +2
    Well, can such platforms (as for Equ. Guinea) be built in Varna? 107 m. 2500 tons. True purchase and integration of modern electronics, radar and weapons, this is not less than 60% of the final price of a warship, as everywhere ...
    1. pytar
      pytar 26 October 2017 17: 09
      +4
      Now visited the site of the company. There he writes that in 2005 the construction of a respectable kei with a length of 170 meters was completed. We also got a floating dock for building ships up to 15 000 tons and for repairs up to 17 000 tons.

      https://dolphin1.bg/en/home/
      1. Oleg7700
        Oleg7700 26 October 2017 17: 55
        +2
        Very well. This Bulgarian-Ukrainian project has a lot of room for serious weapons ...
        1. Maksim
          Maksim 26 October 2017 18: 39
          0
          Why do we need this dzweis?
  17. APASUS
    APASUS 26 October 2017 18: 55
    0
    Now a couple of gunboats will be written off to you from the gentleman’s shoulder from the USA, well, they will hang a debt on you, well, it's all for the sake of democracy! What questions can there be
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 26 October 2017 19: 34
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      Now a couple of gunboats will be written off to you from the gentleman’s shoulder from the USA, well, they will hang a debt on you, well, it's all for the sake of democracy! What questions can there be

      The gunboat nonch, as a class, rested in a Bose wassat
      Hosh ravage the enemy - give him the battleship yes Because Kaptsov’s libimk class is not in trend right now, so you need to donate a cruiser (you’ll get the Ticonderogi off soon), give a bunch of loans to keep it afloat, and voila - the country is bare and thread-worn, sitting on a hook laughing hi
    2. pytar
      pytar 26 October 2017 22: 22
      +2
      For example, questions may be: Where did you get the information about what will happen, since you described it? Or just vanguet? wink
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 27 October 2017 07: 38
        0
        Quote: pytar
        For example, questions may be: Where did you get the information about what will happen, since you described it? Or just vanguet? wink

        You did not try to think about how many modern types of weapons the Americans put to their satellites, and what percentage is the written-off shit? We didn’t read the statements of the Polish leadership on American weapons, for example
        1. pytar
          pytar 27 October 2017 11: 57
          +2
          You did not try to think about how many modern types of weapons the Americans put to their satellites, and what percentage is the written-off shit? We didn’t read the statements of the Polish leadership on American weapons, for example

          Do you know that the MiG-29 / and a significant part of the other types / that the USSR supplied to Bulgaria in 88 were removed from the Soviet Air Force? All the same, it was a good fighter for its time!
          The question of deliveries of new or used weapons, for each country rests on its financial capabilities. So far, Bulgaria DOES NOT BUY old weapons from western countries, for a few minor exceptions. Whether this will be acquired or buy a new one, we will soon find out. The topic that we write here clearly states that we are talking about construction NEW ships, though on a Bulgarian shipbuilder and from a Bulgarian company.
  18. Livonetc
    Livonetc 26 October 2017 20: 03
    +1
    Quote: Mac Sim
    Why do we need this dzweis?

    Yes, no Bulgaria device is needed anymore.
    Sovereignty is gone.
    The story is similar to Mexico.
    They generally refused the army.
    USA near by.
    And industry is not needed.
    The work of plumbers, etc. provide.
    1. Maksim
      Maksim 26 October 2017 22: 49
      +1
      Dear, go yourself know where. Here the adult uncles are talking.
  19. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 26 October 2017 20: 23
    0
    "It was also reported that the Bulgarian Navy is going to acquire two new patrol ships in the coming years."
    "Bulgarian Navy: Build us someone a patrol ship, inexpensive."
    This is in the "Lenin Forge", they will do everything there: someone and inexpensively. With joy.
  20. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 26 October 2017 20: 44
    +1
    Well, let's build SZ "Sea". Let Comrade Zachinyaev or Comrade Verevkin. They will consider the matter, etc. If an interesting offer, so why not ?! Free capacities will be loaded, workers money, and this is important. In short, for God's sake, any whim ...
  21. Rock616
    Rock616 27 October 2017 02: 12
    +1
    I’m burning over the "little brothers" laughing Either the pilots refuse to fly, then soon on the mattresses (inflatable) they will patrol the coast ... wassat good The right way you go "brother" laughing Just like one more "brothers" wink But you, the truth without much tin (fanaticism) good
    But the end will be one .... fool drinks


    And this we also remember, not that vindictive, just "evil" and a good memory .... hi
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    2. pytar
      pytar 30 October 2017 14: 34
      +2
      Yes 5-6 times the marginals appeared in the night ... And your Tolokonnikova marked herself "having come to help." wink At that time, Bulgaria remains one of the few countries in the world where monuments in honor of Russia continue to be unveiled. A few more are being built in the moment. hi
      https://rus.bg/obschestvo/obschestvo/20822-v-bolg
      arii-otkryli-pamyatnik-osvobozhdeniyu
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    1. pytar
      pytar 27 October 2017 12: 02
      +3
      Do not give advice to adult uncles, young man! Especially if they did not ask you about it. wink Our street! And our holidays! What do you care? request
    2. Maksim
      Maksim 27 October 2017 14: 54
      +1
      Young man, I put a failure to your carers.
      1. niksan2002
        niksan2002 28 October 2017 16: 30
        0
        If everything is yours, then what are you crucifying here. Have imposed, so sit quietly
        1. pytar
          pytar 30 October 2017 19: 49
          +2
          Theme of Bulgaria. Who, if not the Bulgarians, knows their situation better? Yes, and many Russians want to learn directly from the locals. And "imposed" is not a violation of the rules of the site ???
  23. nivander
    nivander 27 October 2017 12: 09
    +1
    and themselves in any way? And under the communists flew into space
    1. pytar
      pytar 27 October 2017 12: 29
      +2
      and themselves in any way? And under the communists flew into space

      They flew! And then the Most Important Communists / those from Moscow / said: "Nope ... No. Th that we can’t get communism! stop Everything! We’ll already build capitalism! " hi Ours did not hesitate for yours for a long time, but they took it with a bang! fellow But they flew so well in space! By the way, it is flying now. With the Falcon 9 Ilona Mask, the Bulgarian telecommunications satellite in orbit recently lifted. bully
      1. niksan2002
        niksan2002 28 October 2017 16: 37
        0
        Bullshit, the Bulgarians who live in America participated, the satellite is also for a foreign company, which works in the Bulgarian communications market. Bulgaria did not carry out financing.
        1. pytar
          pytar 30 October 2017 19: 43
          +2
          What is the nonsense? Yes, there was not and will not be in the world for a small country to do everything by itself! BulgariaSat-1 satellite is owned by Bulsatkom - Private investment of a Bulgarian telecommunication company from Stara Zagora. Created in 2004 Property of Bulgarian businessman Plamen Genchev.
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  24. Livonetc
    Livonetc 27 October 2017 12: 12
    0
    Quote: pytar
    Do not give advice to adult uncles, young man! Especially if they did not ask you about it. wink Our street! And our holidays! What do you care? request

    Behave accordingly in society.
    This is not advice, this is the rule.
    Sincerely
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    2. Maksim
      Maksim 27 October 2017 15: 13
      +1
      As it comes around, it will respond (s)

      With no less respect
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  26. pytar
    pytar 27 October 2017 13: 01
    +2
    Quote: Livonetc
    Sew a little Adult uncle. Work for the good of the Motherland. It may be a holiday on your street.


    Behave accordingly in society.

    This is not advice, this is the rule.

    Sincerely hi

    And on the topic under which we write can you say something? Interesting to know!
  27. Livonetc
    Livonetc 27 October 2017 13: 07
    +1
    Quote: pytar
    Quote: Livonetc
    Sew a little Adult uncle. Work for the good of the Motherland. It may be a holiday on your street.

    Behave accordingly in society.
    This is not advice, this is the rule.
    Sincerely


    I categorically welcome you!
    However, this was a response to your statements about the inadmissibility of broadcasting to "adult uncles."
    The diplomatic principle of reciprocity is nothing personal.
    However, for the sim confrontation ends.
    I welcome you again to the forum.
    Opinions, even contradicting one’s own, presented in an acceptable form, are respected and accepted.

    With respect!
    Gennady
    1. pytar
      pytar 27 October 2017 13: 26
      +5
      Well said Genady! I accept your note! You are right! good Opinions may be different, but let them be expressed with a respectful tone! I always read such an opinion with interest, no matter whether mine! I believe that if there is a dispute, then it should lead to more knowledge for the benefit of all those arguing, and should not turn into shouting "who is better". hi
    2. pytar
      pytar 27 October 2017 13: 38
      +5
      In the interim, I learned that according to the plans of the Navy for the period from 2-8 years, in addition to 2 ships, more 2 patrol ships will be built and upgrades to 3 from frigates should be carried out. The People's Assembly approved the investment plan for the first stage in the amount of 410 million euros. Of these, until the end of 2017, immediately after the signing of the contracts, 86 million euros will be invested.
      1. Maksim
        Maksim 27 October 2017 20: 40
        0
        Personally, I can’t believe that anything more than a patrol boat will be built for our Navy. Of course, it is a shame for the sailors that they were put on boats from a frigate, but such is life. Now the tasks for the Bulgarian Navy are completely different than for the Bulgarian fleet in 1912 or in 1980.
        In addition to strolling on old and even unarmed Belgian tins in the Mediterranean Sea, Bulgarian ships use it only to patrol the coast. And in my opinion - this is quite enough.
        In addition, since the 90s there were a lot of all kinds of beautiful patterns and pictures of ships that Bulgaria will build / buy, etc. But they always collapsed because the money was needed elsewhere. I think now it will be so too. They will lead a maravette to three frigates, they will buy (most likely they will not buy) a couple of boats and that’s all - the end of the comedy.
  28. Maksim
    Maksim 27 October 2017 14: 49
    +2
    Setrac,
    Your fantasies in Google can not be found. Already picked up popcorn and look forward to your reply. Who, when and with what fed / feeds us?
    1. niksan2002
      niksan2002 28 October 2017 16: 40
      0
      Yes, it’s better to feed yourself, you can even use American popcorn :)
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  30. pytar
    pytar 30 October 2017 19: 57
    +2
    Quote: Mikhail Zubkov
    These inventions are also from the CIA - about the petty control of the socialist countries from Moscow. I myself worked in the socialist countries at the level of the department head of the Central Committee (on their part) - only key political and personnel decisions were discussed, moreover, in a friendly working tone, in a calm confidential discussion. They forbade nothing to anyone in a commanding tone, and did not impose anything, although they were interested in the decisions we needed - such as expanding the enrollment of students, training the necessary specialists, loans, etc. But the EU is now toughly commanding the Bulgarians, but it subsidizes a penny. For what they wanted, for that they sold themselves, gentlemen, Bulgarians!

    Again the CIA! belay I don’t know in which social country you worked, but the Bulgarian Central Committee was completely dependent on Moscow. And not so important in what tone. As for the EU, there are laws. Our former communists are now capitalists, it’s more difficult to trick ... Subsidies from the EU! In 2016, we received + 2,3 billions of € or 5,33% of GDP. From 2007 to now 13,5 billion €! The benefits are obvious, and there is no other alternative.