US media: CP-10 will make Russian videoconferencing systems even more deadly

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Developed by the private enterprise "KB Sovremenny aviation Technologies "miniature aircraft with a forward swept wing CP-10 is a unique product that seems to be a success, writes The Nationlal Interest. The article is provided by the portal Political Kaleidoscope.

US media: CP-10 will make Russian videoconferencing systems even more deadly




According to the American magazine, Russian Aerospace Forces “intend to purchase dozens of SR-10s as a replacement for their fleet training aircraft L-39 Albatross ”.

The CP-10 aircraft made its debut at the beginning of this year at the MAKS-2017 air show. "The machine is simple and not expensive, and should become a kind of intermediate flight simulator to fill the gap between the main training aircraft Yak-152 and the modern jet Yak-130, which is also capable of performing combat missions," the article says.

CP-10, apparently, is a fairly capable aircraft with excellent controllability at high angles of attack, the newspaper notes. “This is achieved with forward-swept wings. The technology itself was first tested on a secret carrier-based fighter Su-47 "Berkut" in the 1990s. The aircraft's glider is capable of withstanding 9G overloads and also has a high thrust-to-weight ratio thanks to its Motor Sich AI-25TL engine with a thrust of 3,860 pounds, ”the author writes.

However, the Ukrainian engine will soon be replaced by a similar AL-55 produced by NPO Saturn, he said. The thrust of the Russian engine, which was originally developed for the Indian HAL HJT-36 Sitara trainer, will be 3,880 pounds.

“Meanwhile, Design Bureau Modern Aviation Technologies began working on an unmanned version of the SR-10, called the AR-10 Argument. The unmanned aircraft is designed to perform all tasks - from reconnaissance to striking ground targets, ”the newspaper said.

The author points out that the successes of "Design Bureau Modern Aviation Technologies" primarily "demonstrate the development of private innovative technologies in Russia." This is evidenced by the firm contract, first issued by the Russian military department to a private aviation enterprise.
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  1. +19
    26 October 2017 13: 57
    Developed by the private enterprise KB Modern Aviation Technologies, the CP-10 miniature aircraft with a reverse sweep of the wing is a unique product

    And who is the owner of KB Modern Aviation Technologies?
    1. +3
      26 October 2017 14: 08
      Gene. director. Shusterov Vladislav Borisovich everything is registered for him. And there who knows.
    2. +3
      26 October 2017 14: 30
      Our private traders. The prototype is the Ukrainian AI-25 engine. Now they say the Russian AL-55. As far as I remember, laziness is Yandex. feel
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        1. +4
          28 October 2017 20: 14
          What does the sweep of the wing have to do with it? The wing mechanization and controls are the same as on other combat training aircraft. The only difference in this case is the ability to maneuver at higher angles of attack without stalling. Those. perform maneuvers available to "big brothers" such as Su-27 and MiG-29. Not all, but many. And this is a very fat plus in the training of fighter pilots. When transferring from a training aircraft to a full-fledged combat aircraft, the pilot will already be able to perform the maneuvers available to these aircraft, instead of knowing about them in theory. That gives significant savings in both time and money in preparation. Because the CP-10 itself is cheaper, that the hour of its flight ...
    3. +5
      26 October 2017 14: 41
      "SAT" is only a developer, it is not engaged in production, the aircraft will go to the "Smolensk Aviation Plant", it is part of the "Corporation" Tactical Missile Armament ".
      1. +4
        26 October 2017 17: 54
        Here. They know me better (Without irony)
  2. +1
    26 October 2017 14: 10
    I don’t know what to say ... Here the base for the drone seems to be a good idea, but the drone does not shrink and half of the possibilities and the fuel consumption is not unmanned and the rest of the characteristics ... request
    1. +9
      26 October 2017 14: 27
      As a temporary solution to an attack UAV, it is quite reasonable. With tz. that the sixth generation of m / w unmanned fighters is also interesting. Taking into account the increase in the number of these machines in the series in both versions, there will be some cost reduction, which, when the engine is derated, will make the drone more acceptable in terms of costs.
      1. +1
        27 October 2017 09: 29
        A specialist is seen. The terminology is professional.
    2. +14
      26 October 2017 15: 34
      Quote: NIKNN
      The base for the drone seems to be a good idea, but the drone does not shrink in half of the possibilities and the fuel consumption is not drone and the rest of the characteristics ...

      An aerobatics aircraft cannot make a good drone. For him, such aerodynamics are absolutely redundant quality. The consequence, as you correctly noted, is high fuel consumption, low combat load, etc. by the list.

      And in general, if the Americans praise Russia, something is wrong here! winked
      1. +2
        28 October 2017 01: 56
        Imagine, for a moment, a drone fighting a pilot. Backward sweep and high G-forces ... apparently, further developing the capabilities of such an aircraft can only be done by removing the pilot. And maybe it will be a highly maneuverable fighter of other drones, for example, traitors.
        1. +2
          28 October 2017 16: 24
          You are writing about an unmanned fighter plane, not about a drone that the Russian army needs NOW. Until the moment when unmanned fighters appear, it is not yet so close. Artificial intelligence is needed here, and a very highly developed one. Everything else is Wishlist.
  3. +1
    26 October 2017 14: 13
    Quote: Some Compote
    Developed by the private enterprise KB Modern Aviation Technologies, the CP-10 miniature aircraft with a reverse sweep of the wing is a unique product

    And who is the owner of KB Modern Aviation Technologies?

    Obviously private traders.
    Since - OOO "KB Modern Aviation Technologies"
    They also have civil projects.
    website http://www.kb-sat.ru/
    Found.
    Design Bureau "Modern Aviation Technologies" was founded in 2007 by two aviation enthusiasts - Mironov Maxim Anatolyevich and Yushin Sergey Alexandrovich
    https://www.aex.ru/docs/3/2009/10/23/852
  4. 0
    26 October 2017 14: 15
    If the "pusher" is no use, there will be no sense, one whistle.
    1. +3
      26 October 2017 14: 25
      Quote: Sh.O.K.
      If the "pusher" is no use, there will be no sense, one whistle.

      Rogozin has run out of children or nephews? Take one child to the board of directors of this private enterprise and everything will be okay.
  5. +8
    26 October 2017 14: 17
    beautiful bird ... what will happen at the exit? ... it is suspicious that the mercos praise recourse
    1. 0
      28 October 2017 21: 16
      Quote: assa67
      suspicious that the mercos praise


      It is doubtful even, always praised by the same magazine National Interest., Which seems to have been created by some former Jewish scoop, who is preferable .. Well, somehow this is how this National Interest looks like ...
  6. +1
    26 October 2017 14: 27
    Another horse Vasily ... They were scared of a training aircraft that has not even gone into production.
  7. +11
    26 October 2017 14: 31
    Quote: assa67
    beautiful bird ... what will happen at the exit? ... it is suspicious that the mercos praise recourse

    They praise everything with us now. For their internal consumption, they need a powerful and terrible enemy that unites the nation. Since everything is Chinese in stores, there is no one else except Russia.
  8. +9
    26 October 2017 14: 40
    American media:

    writes The Nationlal Interest.

    And where did the author find foreign media here? The Nationlal Interest was not among these.

    “This is achieved with forward-swept wings. The technology itself first was tested on a secret carrier-based fighter Su-47 "Berkut" in the 1990s.

    I do not read further. negative
    1. +23
      26 October 2017 15: 06
      Quote: professor
      “This is achieved with forward-swept wings. The technology itself first was tested on a secret carrier-based fighter Su-47 "Berkut" in the 1990s.

      I do not read further. negative

      Don't read it. Do not. Yes
      1. +15
        26 October 2017 17: 13
        The first step has been taken. It remains to learn not to write.
        1. +1
          26 October 2017 22: 26
          +100500 !!! )))
        2. 0
          31 October 2017 09: 02
          And then, "for polishing" - do not think.
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    3. +7
      26 October 2017 22: 42
      Quote: professor
      I do not read further.

      probably not a video, but I remember in the textbook the picture was where a man jumped from the bell tower with forward swept wings
    4. +1
      27 October 2017 09: 35
      Ну not for the first time, and before that[b] [/ b], probably. Slightly the author was mistaken.
    5. 0
      27 October 2017 22: 50
      YUMO engines? Mozhaisky's plane also has a photo, but did not fly
  9. +3
    26 October 2017 14: 55
    It would be nice to see combat aircraft with forward-swept wings, otherwise it turns out such developments, it looks like they only used training aircraft, and maybe a UAV in the future.
    And the plane was very good in the 90s ...
    1. +1
      26 October 2017 16: 28
      Damn, can you just leave this decision to the designers of these very combat aircraft? Maybe they know better if this is good or bad?
      1. 0
        26 October 2017 20: 00
        And I'm not saying that I should say it would be good to see the result of all this running-in su 47, although maybe the whole question is at a huge price.
        1. +2
          26 October 2017 23: 59
          Well, in my opinion, we now see it in the form of the SU-57.
          We tested an unusual scheme, came to the conclusion that in certain modes it has advantages, while in others it has disadvantages that we could not overcome. We came to the conclusion that it is not yet advisable to use it on a heavy fighter.
      2. 0
        28 October 2017 18: 07
        I read somewhere that the need for reverse sweep disappeared after the variable thrust vector "started working"
    2. +3
      26 October 2017 22: 01
      In this plane, modify the nose cone and the cockpit (although it would be like in the Su 57) - and act in films "in a distant galaxy ..." good
    3. +3
      27 October 2017 08: 28
      There would be tangible advantages, you would see
    4. mvg
      +1
      27 October 2017 19: 41
      What was that good about? Did you like the toy or so, by the way, did you write it?
    5. 0
      1 November 2017 08: 35
      Do you know the problems with such a wing, or can you guess for yourself how it is with rigidity? For fighters, the maximum speed is much higher than the range where KOS shows itself well.
  10. +2
    26 October 2017 14: 59
    Someone is powerfully promoting this plane, completely incomprehensible to me personally, in the press ...
    The control of a reverse-swept airplane and an airplane with a traditional layout is a big difference ...
  11. +2
    26 October 2017 15: 32
    SR-10 will make the Russian Aerospace Forces even more deadly

    The most deadly will be Po-2, if the engine is covered with some kind of stealth cap. Let the Germans be asked ...
    1. 0
      31 October 2017 09: 04
      And if the pilots will also pilot them, then the enemies are generally cranky. The Night Witches are back!
  12. +8
    26 October 2017 16: 01
    Well, I don't understand why the cadets need him at all ...
    Previously, and now in the school there were two types for training, now they want to make three: Yak 152, SR and Yak 130.
    Previously L 39 and Mig 23 MLD.
    The Yak 130 is much easier to master the MiG 23, so in front of the Yak 130, the Yak 152 is enough ...
    And we are shoving CPs more ...
    Whose lobby?
    There is a lot of money like, three types ...
    1. 0
      28 October 2017 19: 40
      enough yak 152 .... and how many of them are available?
    2. 0
      28 October 2017 20: 33
      The Yak 130 is much easier to master the MiG 23. In more detail, as in aviation, he was an engineer since 1978. MiG 23 in the series since 1970 and the Yak 130 in the series since 2012 - it looks like you have been behind the keyboard for more than a decade and ....!
      1. +8
        28 October 2017 23: 27
        vik669
        For you, I answer in order ...
        At the moment, there is not a single Yak 152 (neither in Krasnodar, nor in the branches), the plane is still completing state tests.
        I'm generally silent about SR ...
        As for more details ... and I have been a lieutenant in aviation in the sky since 1993 ... And I think that you have no idea what MLD is, except for the attachment to the MiG 23 ...
        Odnokans and began to teach the guys on the Yak 130 ...
        So I know what I'm saying ...
        If you do not own the topic, it is better not to comment ... Better leave comments in topics where politics ... There is no need for experience, the main thing is to write something ///
        1. +1
          29 October 2017 14: 25
          And I am a factory engineer of the JSC (and this is not a lieutenant level if you were in aviation and what kind of army and aviation in 1993 was from a separate theme of 1978 and was engaged in Mig 23,27, 25,31 of all modifications both at factories and in CA specifically Mig -23 for example in Vaziani in Shatalovo and so on.
          I was not used to it somehow la la, but I read the headline about the frightened Americans and got into the ranks of the Tupolev, Mikoyans, Yakovlevs, and so on. And an article about nothing, such paper airplanes once a month come out and ...!
          But I will take into account your wishes and will write to "Murzilka"
          1. +7
            29 October 2017 19: 52
            vik669

            I didn't want to offend ... I always respected the technical staff, especially since my father was an aircraft technician.
            And I finished at 31 B.
            1. 0
              30 October 2017 22: 24
              Yes, I just read about the frightened Americans and the deadly VSK and remembered my youth, and with 31 I met at GAZISO and in Savasleika when they had not yet called him 31 but this was "product 01".
              1. +7
                1 November 2017 22: 07
                Year of birth 1972 Pravdinsk ... Naturally military trials 31, father ... From there he left for Armavir in 1989.
                Then Lieutenant Sakhalin ... and then back to the center.
                Many friends now work at Sokol, and not only former pilots //
  13. 0
    26 October 2017 16: 03
    As a drone, it is quite capable of testing control technologies. It seems to me that now it is not difficult to create a drone itself - difficulties with long-distance secure communication channels & brains that reduce traffic and packet interception. Confused by a long-flying UAV with a short range. Run after him with the control unit)))).
  14. +1
    26 October 2017 19: 55
    "CP-10, apparently, is a sufficiently capable aircraft with excellent controllability at high angles of attack, the newspaper notes. “This is achieved with forward-swept wings."...

    I'm embarrassed to ask ... Well, I'm not a flyer in any way, although I love and respect aviation ...
    Now, as I understand it, cadets will begin to teach piloting first piston Yak-152, then jet SR-10, and only then jet Yak-130 ...
    Has the "pyramid" been piled up too much ...
    And - the most important question: after all, probably, piloting aircraft with a forward swept wing is somewhat different from piloting conventional aircraft ??? Does it make sense to fence such a "vegetable garden" ??? In general, won't such a path lengthen the period of becoming a pilot-pilot on his feet ??? recourse
    Explain who can, humanly, on the fingers ... laughing hi
    1. +1
      27 October 2017 00: 39
      Quote: weksha50
      Now, as I understand it, cadets will begin to teach piloting first piston Yak-152, then jet SR-10, and only then jet Yak-130 ...
      Has the "pyramid" been piled up too much ...

      Well, no one argues that the L-39 needs to be replaced? And the main question for the flyers is whether it will replace it. The rest is from the evil one. For piston pilots, anyway, they should be able to fly, since even well-equipped people have rights, and the Yak-130 - this can be overkill. But first they did it, and then they realized that they made another Bradley. Learning from scratch is hard, like a combat one - not very. Although this is my guess.
  15. 0
    26 October 2017 22: 11
    It looks very original, I hope it will actually be better.
  16. 0
    26 October 2017 22: 17
    Quote: Kurare
    An aerobatics plane cannot be a good drone

    And if a shock drone? or as a strike drone? in order of theorizing ....
    1. 0
      27 October 2017 01: 40
      kamikaze drone in general zbs.
  17. 0
    27 October 2017 01: 49
    Do not understand for whom it is deadly?
  18. +1
    27 October 2017 06: 15
    Quote: weksha50
    "CP-10, apparently, is a sufficiently capable aircraft with excellent controllability at high angles of attack, the newspaper notes. “This is achieved with forward-swept wings."...

    I'm embarrassed to ask ... Well, I'm not a flyer in any way, although I love and respect aviation ...
    Now, as I understand it, cadets will begin to teach piloting first piston Yak-152, then jet SR-10, and only then jet Yak-130 ...
    Has the "pyramid" been piled up too much ...
    And - the most important question: after all, probably, piloting aircraft with a forward swept wing is somewhat different from piloting conventional aircraft ??? Does it make sense to fence such a "vegetable garden" ??? In general, won't such a path lengthen the period of becoming a pilot-pilot on his feet ??? recourse
    Explain who can, humanly, on the fingers ... laughing hi

    Now, in fact, a person only "gives commands" (pulling control sticks, pressing buttons), and "pilots", for a long time, a computer (even different piloting conditions can be laid down and a light training aircraft "with a slight movement of the hand turns" into a Tu-22, for example).
    1. +7
      27 October 2017 19: 56
      Dear, what are you writing ...
      Have you tried anything on your own derga .. ????
      Dergate further ...
      1. 0
        28 October 2017 20: 39
        It seems that everything was torn off for a long time except for the hands of a friend, so he pulls the "keyboard".
    2. 0
      28 October 2017 20: 47
      Isn't the "pyramid" too piled up ... - so the pyramid is virtual - really, finances play romances. At the time of "stagnation" in a country called the USSR, aircraft of various types at each plant were produced up to dozens a month - not from the words of someone, but he himself was involved.
  19. 0
    27 October 2017 22: 30
    similar developments were still in the USSR.
  20. 0
    28 October 2017 19: 38
    Something is not at all funny!
  21. 0
    28 October 2017 23: 19
    Damn, how many "specialists" in aircraft technology have gathered here. Continuous "Mikoyans", Yakovlevs "and other" Lavochkin ". They do not like everything, they are all out of topic and out of business. As before 1941, when the best planes, for example I-185. Polikarpov, and Bartini planes, - (Ermollaeva, Er-2), were essentially ignored, although they outnumbered their competitors by a head. As a result, our pilots had to fight on crumbling YAKs, LAGG irons and Pe-2 freaks And excuses, such as They say that there were no engines, for example, for the I-185, completely inappropriate. The engines of the YAK were also perfect monsters by their engine hours, and at the slightest excess of the regime they burned like candles.
    If you don't believe these planes were VERY BAD, talk to the surviving pilots, still alive, and don't judge from books. Although there are some very curious statements by our pilots about the plywood coffins they flew on. You just need to carefully read what is between the lines.
    It looks like the "specialists" who work here want the same thing. What would it be, "if tomorrow is a war, if tomorrow is a campaign," we were again with a bare bottom, and on the devices of the last century. No arguments work for them. According to their logic, this cannot be, because it can NEVER be. And you don't need ANYTHING NEW, let EVERYTHING be the same.
    Only now it will not work out how to fill up the enemy with corpses in 41m-43m. Not that human potential, mentality, and in general, it's not that. But apparently this does not reach many in any way. And they fiercely meet with hostility everything new, unusual,. After all, this is done here, and not somewhere in the "amerskie" design bureaus. Now, if this had been done there, they would have written themselves with delight, and would have yelled here that they could do it, but we cannot. refute even what is already a fact.
    And the fact that this plane was not made by some kind of "Sukhoi", or "MIG", which are still going on the development of the USSR, leads them to indescribable horror and they are ready to smash their heads in order to refute the obvious.
    And the fact that now, as a result of Serdyukov's reforms, the aviation lacks almost 2 thousand pilots (according to Shoigu - 1,3 thousand), and they have to learn from something, and there is nothing to learn from, "specialists" do not care. Many are convinced that a forward-swept aircraft is different from an ordinary one, just like the Belarus tractor from Mercedes ...
    Therefore, let it be worse, but this "worse" will be better.
    1. +7
      29 October 2017 20: 30
      Damn, dear, you did not understand the concern of the "specialists" ... And apparently you do not understand ..
      How many Yak 130 are in training shelves now? About 140 boards. How many old L 39s are left, I don't know ...
      Yak 152 so far, not a single one, they are being brought to mind ///
      I will not say that in 2014 there was a competition in the Moscow region for an airplane for the initial training of cadets, and of course the Yak 152 won, and not made of type made of composites !!!! and in the garage Wed 10 ....
      Without R&D, without an existing base for production (the guys just repaired the L 39 and HERE PUNCHED THEM !!!)
      And now they are SUDDENLY promoted by the respected Magomed Tolboyev ...
      To fill the gap in pilots, we still need 250 Yak 130 and 300-400 Yak 152 mines !!!!!
      And then a Jet Airplane with a negative sweep 10 pops up !!!!
      No tests, nothing at all !!!! They just move it everywhere <<,
      And as a result, it may turn out that there will not be enough of either Yak 152, Yak 130, or SR ... The budget is not rubber ...
      And it will be not only worse, but much worse ...

      PS I don't care what kind of sweep, the main thing is that the cadets have enough boards ...
      And there is an opinion topic, you go there ...
    2. 0
      1 November 2017 08: 29
      Well, yes, I-185, I wonder how it was with the tests, how with the readiness for serial production? And what does it have to do with when a new car goes to the troops, the design bureau is already making a replacement for it.

      And yes, the corpses were filled up, apparently, yours, I don’t know others, in the Second World War, which was a nemchuru filled up not with corpses, but with metal and explosives.
  22. 0
    1 November 2017 00: 19
    A wonderful airplane if you can also use it as a drone. However, it is not entirely clear why this article was titled so loudly.
  23. 0
    1 November 2017 08: 25
    Damn, no, seriously, what for do we all these Su-35, PAK FA, Tu-160, or a tiny airplane, it will definitely raise the lethality by an order of magnitude. And as soon as they did without it.