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US media: CP-10 will make Russian videoconferencing systems even more deadly

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Developed by the private enterprise KB Modern aviation Technologies »the CP-10 miniature aircraft with a reverse sweep of the wing is a unique product that seems to have found success, writes The Nationlal Interest. The article is provided by the portal. Political Kaleidoscope.


US media: CP-10 will make Russian videoconferencing systems even more deadly


According to the American magazine, the Russian air forces “intend to acquire dozens of CP-10 as a replacement for their fleet training aircraft L-39 "Albatross".

The CP-10 debuted earlier this year at the MAKS-2017 air show. "The machine is simple and not expensive, and should become some kind of intermediate flight simulator to fill the gap between the main training aircraft Yak-152 and modern jet Yak-130, which is also capable of performing combat missions," the article says.

CP-10, apparently, is quite capable aircraft with excellent handling at high angles of attack, the newspaper notes. “This is achieved thanks to backward-swept wings. The technology itself was first tested on the secret deck fighter Su-47 "Berkut" in 1990-ies. The glider of the aircraft is able to withstand 9G overloads, and also has a high thrust to mass ratio due to its engine Motor Sich AI-25TL, 3,860 pounds of thrust, ”the author writes.

However, soon the Ukrainian engine will be replaced by a similar AL-55 produced by NPO Saturn, he said. The Russian engine, which was originally developed for the Indian training aircraft HAL HJT-36 Sitara, will be 3,880 pounds.

“Meanwhile, KB Modern Aviation Technologies began working on an unmanned version of the CP-10, called the AR-10“ Argument ”. The unmanned aircraft is designed to perform all tasks - from intelligence to strikes against ground targets, ”the publication said.

The author points out that the successes of KB Modern Aviation Technologies "in the first place" demonstrate the development of private innovative technologies in Russia. " This is evidenced by a solid contract, first issued by the Russian military department to a private aviation enterprise.
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  1. Some kind of compote
    Some kind of compote 26 October 2017 13: 57
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    Developed by the private enterprise KB Modern Aviation Technologies, the CP-10 miniature aircraft with a reverse sweep of the wing is a unique product

    And who is the owner of KB Modern Aviation Technologies?
    1. Hellraiser
      Hellraiser 26 October 2017 14: 08
      +3
      Gene. Director Shusterov Vladislav Borisovich everything is registered on him. And there you know.
    2. PalBor
      PalBor 26 October 2017 14: 30
      +3
      Our private traders. The prototype is the Ukrainian AI-25 engine. Now they say the Russian AL-55. As far as I remember, laziness is Yandex. repeat
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        1. Tarikxnumx
          Tarikxnumx 28 October 2017 20: 14
          +4
          What does the wing sweep have to do with it? The mechanization of the wing and controls are the same as on other combat training aircraft. The only difference in this case is the ability to maneuver at higher angles of attack without stalling. Those. perform maneuvers available to "big brothers" such as the Su-27 and Mig-29. Not all but many. And this is a very fat plus in the training of fighter pilots. When transferring from a training to a full-fledged combat aircraft, the pilot will already be able to perform maneuvers available to these aircraft, instead of knowing about them in theory. That gives significant savings in both time and money in preparation. For the CP-10 itself is cheaper, what is the hour of its flight ...
    3. uav80
      uav80 26 October 2017 14: 41
      +5
      "SAT" is only a developer; it doesn’t produce a series; the aircraft will go to the Smolensk Aviation Plant; it is part of the Tactical Missile Corporation.
      1. PalBor
        PalBor 26 October 2017 17: 54
        +4
        Here. They know me better (Without irony)
  2. NIKNN
    NIKNN 26 October 2017 14: 10
    +1
    I don’t know what to say ... Here is the base for a drone, it seems to be a good idea, but the drone doesn’t get worse and in half the capabilities and fuel consumption is not drone and the rest of the characteristics ... request
    1. IL-18
      IL-18 26 October 2017 14: 27
      +9
      As a temporary solution to the impact UAV is quite reasonable. S t.z. that the sixth generation of fighter unmanned aerial vehicles is also interesting. Taking into account the increase in the number of these machines in the series in both versions, a slight decrease in cost will result, which, when de-boosting the engine, will make the drone more acceptable in terms of costs.
      1. Berber
        Berber 27 October 2017 09: 29
        +1
        Seen by a specialist. The terminology is professional.
    2. Kurare
      Kurare 26 October 2017 15: 34
      14
      Quote: NIKNN
      Here the base for the drone seems to be a good idea, but the drone does not get along and in half the capabilities and fuel consumption is not drone and the rest of the characteristics ...

      Aircraft imprisoned for aerobatics, can not be a good drone. For him, such aerodynamics are absolutely excessive quality. The consequence, as you correctly noted, is high fuel consumption, low combat load, etc. by the list.

      And anyway, if the Americans praise Russia, then something is wrong! winked
      1. Yujiko
        Yujiko 28 October 2017 01: 56
        +2
        Imagine, for a moment, a drone fighting a pilot. Reverse sweep and high overloads ... apparently you can further develop the capabilities of such an aircraft only by removing the pilot. And perhaps it will be a highly maneuverable fighter of other drones, for example traitors.
        1. Kurare
          Kurare 28 October 2017 16: 24
          +2
          You are writing about an unmanned fighter, not a drone that the Russian army needs NOW. Until the moment when unmanned destroyers appear, it is not so close. Artificial intelligence is needed here, and it’s very highly developed. Everything else is Wishlist.
  3. Livonetc
    Livonetc 26 October 2017 14: 13
    +1
    Quote: Some Compote
    Developed by the private enterprise KB Modern Aviation Technologies, the CP-10 miniature aircraft with a reverse sweep of the wing is a unique product

    And who is the owner of KB Modern Aviation Technologies?

    Explicitly private traders.
    Since - LLC "KB Modern Aviation Technologies"
    They also have civilian projects.
    website http://www.kb-sat.ru/
    Found.
    Design Bureau “Modern Aviation Technologies” was founded in 2007 by two aviation enthusiasts - Maxim Anatolyevich Mironov and Sergey Aleksandrovich Yushin
    https://www.aex.ru/docs/3/2009/10/23/852
  4. SHOCK.
    SHOCK. 26 October 2017 14: 15
    0
    If the "pusher" is no use, there will be no sense, one whistle.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 26 October 2017 14: 25
      +3
      Quote: Sh.O.K.
      If the "pusher" is no use, there will be no sense, one whistle.

      Do Rogozin have run out of children or nephews? One child to take to the board of directors of this private enterprise and everything will be okay.
  5. assa67
    assa67 26 October 2017 14: 17
    +8
    beautiful bird ... what will be the output? ... suspiciously that merkos praise recourse
    1. karabas-barabas
      karabas-barabas 28 October 2017 21: 16
      0
      Quote: assa67
      suspiciously merkos praise


      It is doubtful even, the same magazine, National INTEREST, which seems to have been created by some former Jewish scoop, is always praised .. Well, somehow this National INTEREST looks like ...
  6. Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 26 October 2017 14: 27
    +1
    Another horse, Vasily ... They were frightened of a training aircraft that had not even gone into the series yet.
  7. IL-18
    IL-18 26 October 2017 14: 31
    11
    Quote: assa67
    beautiful bird ... what will be the output? ... suspiciously that merkos praise recourse

    They now praise everything with us. For domestic consumption, they need a powerful, terrible enemy uniting the nation. Since everything is Chinese in stores, there is no one else except Russia.
  8. Professor
    Professor 26 October 2017 14: 40
    +9
    American media:

    writes The Nationlal Interest.

    And where did the author find the foreign media? The Nationlal Interest was not seen among such.

    “This is achieved with reverse sweep wings. Technology itself first It was worked out on a secret deck-based fighter Su-47 "Golden Eagle" in the 1990-ies.

    I do not read further. negative
    1. Nikolay Fedorov
      Nikolay Fedorov 26 October 2017 15: 06
      23
      Quote: Professor
      “This is achieved with reverse sweep wings. Technology itself first It was worked out on a secret deck-based fighter Su-47 "Golden Eagle" in the 1990-ies.

      I do not read further. negative

      Do not read. Do not. yes
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 26 October 2017 17: 13
        15
        The first step has been taken. It remains to learn not to write.
        1. Dart
          Dart 26 October 2017 22: 26
          +1
          +100500 !!! )))
        2. CT-55_11-9009
          CT-55_11-9009 31 October 2017 09: 02
          0
          And then, "polished" - do not think.
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    3. poquello
      poquello 26 October 2017 22: 42
      +7
      Quote: Professor
      I do not read further.

      there’s probably no video, but I remember in the textbook the picture was where a man from the bell tower jumped with wings of reverse sweep
    4. Berber
      Berber 27 October 2017 09: 35
      +1
      Ну not for the first time, and before that[b] [/ b], probably. A little bit the author was mistaken.
    5. Abel
      Abel 27 October 2017 22: 50
      0
      UMO engines? Mozhaisky plane also has a photo, but did not fly
  9. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 26 October 2017 14: 55
    +3
    It would be nice to see combat aircraft with wings with reverse sweep, otherwise it turns out such developments, it seems that they only used training ones and UAVs can be used in the future.
    A plane in the 90s was good ...
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 26 October 2017 16: 28
      +1
      Damn, can you still leave this decision to the designers of these same combat aircraft? Maybe they know better whether it is good or bad?
      1. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 26 October 2017 20: 00
        0
        But I’m not saying that I should say that it would be nice to see the result of all this break-in of Su 47, although the whole question can be at a huge price.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 26 October 2017 23: 59
          +2
          Well, in my opinion, we now see it in the form of SU-57.
          We tried an unusual scheme, came to the conclusion that it has advantages in certain modes, while in others it has drawbacks that could not be overcome. They came to the conclusion that it is not yet advisable to use it on a heavy fighter.
      2. passerby5
        passerby5 28 October 2017 18: 07
        0
        I read somewhere that the need for reverse sweep disappeared after the “variable” thrust vector “earned”
    2. da Vinci
      da Vinci 26 October 2017 22: 01
      +3
      In this plane, modify the nose cone and the cockpit (although it would be like in the Su 57) - and act in films "in a distant galaxy ..." good
    3. Zhelezyakin
      Zhelezyakin 27 October 2017 08: 28
      +3
      There would be tangible benefits, would see
    4. mvg
      mvg 27 October 2017 19: 41
      +1
      What was that good? Did you like the toy or so, by the way, did you write?
    5. EvilLion
      EvilLion 1 November 2017 08: 35
      0
      Do you know the problems with such a wing, or can you guess yourself how it has stiffness? For fighters, max speeds are well above the range where the CBS is performing well.
  10. pavelty
    pavelty 26 October 2017 14: 59
    +2
    Someone powerfully PR in the press, this plane is completely incomprehensible to me personally ...
    Controlling an aircraft with a reverse wing sweep and an aircraft with a traditional pattern is a big difference ...
  11. Berkut24
    Berkut24 26 October 2017 15: 32
    +2
    SR-10 will make the Russian aerospace forces even more deadly

    The most deadly will be Po-2, if the engine is covered with some stealth cap. Let the Germans be asked ...
    1. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 31 October 2017 09: 04
      0
      And if the pilots will also pilot them - then the enemies in general will be killed. "Night Witches" will be back!
  12. NN52
    NN52 26 October 2017 16: 01
    +8
    Well, I don’t understand why the cadets need him at all ...
    Previously, and now there were two types of training in the school, now they want to do three: Yak 152, SR and Yak 130.
    Formerly L 39 and Mig 23 MLD.
    Yak 130 is much easier to master the MiG 23, so before yak 130 is enough yak 152 ....
    And we shove CP more ....
    Whose lobby is it?
    There are a lot of money, three types ...
    1. vik669
      vik669 28 October 2017 19: 40
      0
      enough yak 152 .... and how many are available?
    2. vik669
      vik669 28 October 2017 20: 33
      0
      Yak 130 is much easier to master the MiG 23. In more detail, and even in aviation in engineers was s1978. MiG 23 in the series since 1970 and YAK 130 in the series since 2012 - it looks like you have been behind the keyboard for more than a decade and ....!
      1. NN52
        NN52 28 October 2017 23: 27
        +8
        vik669
        I answer in order for you ...
        At the moment, there are no Yak 152s (neither in Krasnodar, nor in the branches), the plane is still completing state tests.
        About SR in general I am silent ...
        In more detail ... and I have been a lieutenant in aviation in the sky since 1993 ... And I think that you can’t imagine a bit what MLD is, except for the MiG 23 prefix ...
        Odnokans and began to teach children on the Yak 130 ...
        Therefore, I know what I'm saying ...
        If you do not own the topic, it is better not to comment ... It is better to leave comments in topics where politics ... There is no experience needed, the main thing is to write something ///
        1. vik669
          vik669 29 October 2017 14: 25
          +1
          And I’m a factory engineer of AO (and this is not a lieutenant level if you were in aviation and what army and aviation in 1993 was a separate topic from 1978 and was engaged in Mig 23,27, 25,31 of all modifications in factories and SA specifically Mig -23 for example in Vaziani in Shatalovo and so on.
          I was not used to somehow la la but I read the headline about frightened Americans and got into the ranks of dumb, Mikoyan, Yakovlev and so on. And the little article about such paper airplanes comes up once a month, well, and ...!
          But I will take your wishes into account and I will write in Murzilka
          1. NN52
            NN52 29 October 2017 19: 52
            +7
            vik669

            I didn’t want to offend ... The technical staff always respected, especially the father of the aircraft technician.
            And I ended up at 31 B. ..
            1. vik669
              vik669 30 October 2017 22: 24
              0
              Yes, I just read about the frightened Americans and the deadly VSK and remembered my youth, and I met on 31 at GAZISO and in Savasleyka when it was not called 31 yet but it was "product 01".
              1. NN52
                NN52 1 November 2017 22: 07
                +7
                Year of birth 1972 Pravdinsk ... Naturally, military tests 31, father .. From there he went to Armavir in 1989.
                Then lieutenant Sakhalin ... and then back to the center.
                Many friends are working at Sokol, and not only former pilots //
  13. Darvin dv
    Darvin dv 26 October 2017 16: 03
    0
    As a drone, it is quite capable of working out control technologies. It seems to me that now it is not difficult to create a drone itself - difficulties with long-distance secure communication channels & brains that reduce traffic and packet interception. Confused by a long-flying UAV with a short range. Run after him with the control unit)))).
  14. weksha50
    weksha50 26 October 2017 19: 55
    +1
    "CP-10, apparently, is quite capable aircraft with excellent handling at large angles of attack, the publication notes. “This is achieved with reverse sweep wings.”"...

    I’m embarrassed to ask ... Well, I'm not a flyer in any way, even though I love and respect aviation ...
    Now, as I understand it, they will begin to train cadets in piloting first piston Yak-152, then jet SR-10, and only then jet Yak-130 ...
    Is the "pyramid" too piled ...
    And - the most important question: because, probably, piloting airplanes with a reverse sweep of the wing is somewhat different from piloting ordinary planes ??? Does it make sense to fence such a "garden" ??? In general, would such a path lengthen the formation of a pilot pilot on his feet ??? recourse
    Explain who can, humanly, on the fingers ... laughing hi
    1. Manul
      Manul 27 October 2017 00: 39
      +1
      Quote: weksha50
      Now, as I understand it, they will begin to train cadets in piloting first piston Yak-152, then jet SR-10, and only then jet Yak-130 ...
      Is the "pyramid" too piled ...

      Well, no one argues that the L-39 needs to be replaced? And the main question for flyers is whether it will replace it. The rest is from the evil one. Piston pilots should be able to fly anyway, since even protected people have rights, and the Yak-130 - this can be an excess. But first they made it, and then they realized that they had made another Bradley. Learning from scratch is difficult, like fighting - not really. Although this is my guess.
  15. Vadim Sh.
    Vadim Sh. 26 October 2017 22: 11
    0
    It looks very original, I hope that in fact it will be better.
  16. Dart
    Dart 26 October 2017 22: 17
    0
    Quote: Kurare
    Aircraft sharpened for aerobatics, can not be a good drone

    And what if an impact drone? or as a shock drone? in theorizing ....
    1. Socialism 2.0
      Socialism 2.0 27 October 2017 01: 40
      0
      kamikaze drone in general zbs.
  17. iouris
    iouris 27 October 2017 01: 49
    0
    I don’t understand, for whom is he deadly?
  18. Fkjydjckfrgh
    Fkjydjckfrgh 27 October 2017 06: 15
    +1
    Quote: weksha50
    "CP-10, apparently, is quite capable aircraft with excellent handling at large angles of attack, the publication notes. “This is achieved with reverse sweep wings.”"...

    I’m embarrassed to ask ... Well, I'm not a flyer in any way, even though I love and respect aviation ...
    Now, as I understand it, they will begin to train cadets in piloting first piston Yak-152, then jet SR-10, and only then jet Yak-130 ...
    Is the "pyramid" too piled ...
    And - the most important question: because, probably, piloting airplanes with a reverse sweep of the wing is somewhat different from piloting ordinary planes ??? Does it make sense to fence such a "garden" ??? In general, would such a path lengthen the formation of a pilot pilot on his feet ??? recourse
    Explain who can, humanly, on the fingers ... laughing hi

    Now, in fact, a person only “gives commands” (pulling the control sticks, pressing buttons), and “pilots”, for a long time, a computer (even different piloting conditions can be laid down and a light training aircraft “turns with an easy movement of the hand” into the Tu-22, eg).
    1. NN52
      NN52 27 October 2017 19: 56
      +7
      Dear, what are you writing ...
      Have you tried anything in your derga .. ????
      Dergate further ....
      1. vik669
        vik669 28 October 2017 20: 39
        0
        It looks like a friend has long been torn apart except his hands so he pulls the "clave".
    2. vik669
      vik669 28 October 2017 20: 47
      0
      Isn't the "pyramid" too piled ... - so the virtual pyramid - real money plays romances. In times of "stagnation" in a country called the USSR, various types of aircraft were produced at every plant up to tens a month - not from the words of anyone, but related.
  19. sotsprofspb
    sotsprofspb 27 October 2017 22: 30
    0
    similar developments were still in the USSR.
  20. vik669
    vik669 28 October 2017 19: 38
    0
    Something is not at all funny!
  21. myobius59
    myobius59 28 October 2017 23: 19
    0
    Damn, how many "specialists" in aircraft engineering technology have gathered here. Solid Mikoyans, Yakovlevs and other Lavochkins. They don’t like everything, they’re all off topic and business. As before 1941, when the best planes, for example I-185. Polikarpova, and Bartini’s planes, - (Ermollaeva, Yer-2), they were essentially ignored, although they were superior to their competitors by the head. As a result, our pilots had to fight on the crumbling "Yak" ah, the "LAGG" ah and the freaks "Pe-2" And excuses like supposedly there were no engines, for example, for the I-185, they were completely inappropriate. The YAK engines were also perfect freaks by engine hours. And when the mode was exceeded, they burned like candles.
    Who does not believe that these planes were VERY BAD, talk to the surviving, still alive pilots, and not judge by the books. Although there are very curious statements of our pilots, about the plywood coffins on which they flew. You just need to carefully read what is between the lines.
    It seems that the "specialists" who are here striving, want the same. What would it be, “if tomorrow is a war, if tomorrow is a campaign”, we were again with a bare ass, and on the devices of the last century. No arguments apply to them. According to their logic, this cannot be, because it can NEVER. And there is NOTHING ANYTHING, let EVERYTHING be in the old way. And on Czech devices that used up their motor resources in the century before last, the guys fly.
    Only after all, now it will not work out how to flood the enemy with corpses in 41m-43m. Not that human potential, mentality, and in general, everything is not right. But apparently it doesn’t reach many. And they violently meet with hostility everything new, unusual, because it was done with us, and not somewhere in the "Amer" KB. Now, if this had been done there, they would have subscribed with delight, and would have screamed here that they were able to do it, but we can’t. But here it’s quite the opposite, these “specialists” are furious and ready to refute even that which is already a fact.
    And the fact that this aircraft was made not by Sukhoi, or MIG, which are still being developed by the USSR, is generally terrifying to them and they are ready to smash their head in order to refute the obvious.
    And the fact that now, as a result of Serdyukov’s reforms, almost 2 thousand pilots are missing (according to Shoigu-1,3 thousand), and they need to learn from something, but they don’t care about “learning from anything”. Many are sure that the plane with the reverse sweep is different from the ordinary one, just like the Belarus tractor from the Mercedes ...
    Therefore, let it be worse, but this "worse" will be better.
    1. NN52
      NN52 29 October 2017 20: 30
      +7
      Damn, dear, you did not understand the concern of the "experts" ... And apparently you do not understand ..
      How much is the Yak 130 in training regiments? About 140 sides. How many old L 39 are left, I don’t know ...
      Yak 152 is not one, bring to mind ///
      I will not say that in 2014 there was a competition in the Moscow Region for a plane for the initial training of cadets, and naturally won the Yak 152, and not made of the type of composites !!!! and in the garage cf 10 ....
      Without R&D, without an existing production base (the guys just repaired the L 39 and THERE HAVE BROKEN THEM !!!)
      And now they are suddenly promoted by the respected Magomed Tolboev ...
      To fill the gap in the pilots, we still need min 250 Yak 130 and 300-400 Yak 152 !!!!!
      And then the Jet Aircraft pops up with a negative sweep of 10 !!!!
      No tests, nothing at all !!!! They just move it everywhere <<,
      And in the end, it may turn out that there will not be enough Yak 152, Yak 130, and SR ... The budget is not rubber ...
      And it will not only be worse, but much worse ....

      PS I do not care what sweep, the main thing is that the cadets have enough sides ...
      And there is a topic of opinion, you go there ...
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 1 November 2017 08: 29
      0
      Well, yes, I-185, I wonder how he had with the tests, how readiness for serial production? And what does he have to do with a new machine coming to the troops? The design bureau is already replacing it.

      And yes, they apparently overwhelmed with corpses, yours, I don’t know others, in the Second World War that was not covered with corpses, but with metal and explosives.
  22. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 1 November 2017 00: 19
    0
    A wonderful airplane, if it can also be used as a drone. But that’s why it’s so loudly entitled this article is not entirely clear.
  23. EvilLion
    EvilLion 1 November 2017 08: 25
    0
    Damn, no seriously, what for do we need all of these Su-35, PAK FA, Tu-160, or whether it’s a tiny airplane, it’ll certainly raise the deadly rate by an order of magnitude. And as soon as they did without him.