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Die Welt: NATO is going to accuse Russia of deliberately understating the number of military at the West-2017 exercise

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The North Atlantic Alliance plans at a meeting of the Russia-NATO Council, which will be held on Thursday 26 in October in Brussels, to accuse Moscow of misleading the West deliberately, significantly underestimating the number of servicemen who participated in the West-2017 exercise, reports Die Welt with reference to its sources in the organization.


We will very clearly say what we think about this behavior.
- noted in NATO. Earlier, the alliance has already expressed suspicions that the Russian Federation was deliberately sly, declaring a smaller number of military men participating in the maneuvers, but this time the accusations will be made directly to the Russian side.

Die Welt: NATO is going to accuse Russia of deliberately understating the number of military at the West-2017 exercise


Moscow reported that 12,7 thousand soldiers took part in the exercises. In turn, NATO experts, after studying images from satellites, came to the conclusion that tens of thousands of servicemen were involved in the maneuvers. According to the alliance version, the truthful information was hidden, since for exercises with the number of participants over 13 thousand people the presence of observers of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) is necessary.

Russian-Belarusian exercises "West-2017" were held from September 14 to September 20 at the training grounds of Russia and Belarus. They involved about 70 aircraft and helicopters, up to 680 units of military equipment, including about 250 tanks, up to 200 guns, multiple launch rocket systems and mortars. The exercises were monitored by representatives of seven states, including from NATO.

The maneuvers caused a flurry of criticism from the West. Thus, in addition to the accusations of underestimation of troops, NATO recalled that in 2013, Russia had worked out the actions of special forces and conducted exercises, the script of which was later used during the annexation of the Crimea. NATO expressed fears that new maneuvers could escalate into aggression against the Baltic countries.

Russian Defense Ministry spokesman, Major General Igor Konashenkov, commenting on the "hysteria" of the West about the exercise in October, said that the West needed accusations against the Russian Federation as a cover for the arrival of the American military in Poland. Earlier, the US 2-I Armored Brigade arrived in the region. As noted by Konashenkov, while in Poland and the Baltic countries remained military equipment 3 of the American armored brigade, which was replaced by the military. In fact, not a brigade, but a mechanized division of the US Armed Forces is deployed near the borders of the Russian Federation, the general stated. He expressed the opinion that "all the hysteria of the Baltic states and Poles about the" Russian threat "from the Russian-Belarusian doctrine" Zapad-2017 "is a fraudulently won back the information curtain of this operation of the Pentagon."

However, the Pentagon has denied these allegations. As Pentagon spokesman Johnny Michael told reporters in mid-October, the 2-I armored brigade is just arriving in position. He explained that approximately 3,3 thousand troops and 1,6 thousand units of equipment, including about 85 tanks, would be deployed in Poland. Michael stressed that the military and technology replace the outgoing unit, rather than being added to it, reports News ru.com
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 26 October 2017 11: 46 New
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    smile Soon in the West we will be accused of the very fact of conducting exercises on our own territory ... and no matter how many troops will be involved in them.

    It’s all bullied already ... They want to make us make excuses for any reason.
    Such is the psychology of the information war ... one should not follow the Anglo-Saxons ...
    the answer to them should be only one ...
    it’s not your dog’s business what we do on our territory.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 26 October 2017 11: 48 New
      +4
      The dog barks - the wind wears. laughing
      1. cniza
        cniza 26 October 2017 12: 03 New
        +2
        It seems that they have nothing more to do ... let them train better.
        1. 79807420129
          79807420129 26 October 2017 12: 07 New
          10
          We will very clearly say what we think about this behavior.

          We know very clearly what we think of you. fellow
          1. DMB_95
            DMB_95 26 October 2017 12: 12 New
            0
            We will very clearly say what we think about this behavior.
            Are you sure you can articulate it clearly?
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 26 October 2017 14: 22 New
              +2
              The best tactics for promoting their aggressive affairs on the part of the Pentagon are NATO attacks on their opponents.
              The spokesman for the Russian Ministry of Defense, Major General Igor Konashenkov, commenting on the "hysteria" of the West in October regarding exercises, correctly - not in the eyebrow, but in the eye - said that
              The West needed the accusations against the Russian Federation as a cover for the arrival of the US military in Poland.
              Here the Pentagon’s “dog” is buried!
              It is to Poland and further throughout the West along the borders with Russia that the American NATO troops, under the leadership of the Pentagon, arrive - are located, strengthened and replenished numerically and qualitatively! Prepare for war against Russia!
    2. Partyzan
      Partyzan 26 October 2017 12: 04 New
      +9
      Quote: The same Lech
      smile Soon in the West we will be accused of the very fact of conducting exercises on our own territory ... and no matter how many troops will be involved in them.

      It’s all bullied already ... They want to make us make excuses for any reason.
      Such is the psychology of the information war ... one should not follow the Anglo-Saxons ...
      the answer to them should be only one ...
      it’s not your dog’s business what we do on our territory.

      I don’t understand? and sho we had to export 52 thousand military and Belarus?
      “At present, the Armed Forces are kept in a minimum sufficient composition,” the minister noted. “The number of the Armed Forces as of March 1 is 64 thousand 932 posts, including 14 thousand 502 officers, 6 thousand 850 warrant officers, 25 thousand 671 soldiers and a sergeant, 3 thousand 502 cadets, as well as about 16 thousand civilian personnel. "
    3. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 26 October 2017 14: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: The same Lech
      smile Soon in the West we will be accused of the very fact of conducting exercises on our own territory ... and no matter how many troops will be involved in them.

      It’s all bullied already ... They want to make us make excuses for any reason.
      Such is the psychology of the information war ... one should not follow the Anglo-Saxons ...
      the answer to them should be only one ...
      it’s not your dog’s business what we do on our territory.


      So already accused. Then there should be a statement in the style of "they took out weapons and are going to shoot," then a preemptive nuclear strike ... and you thought what? ))))
  2. Cutter
    Cutter 26 October 2017 11: 48 New
    17
    No, okay ... I have to admit honestly, there were a million of them in Belarus. Russian military ... what is your business? THEY REMAINED TO LIVE AT ME IN THE COTTAGE, AND WHAT ??? am
    I invited them, not you ...
    1. PalBor
      PalBor 26 October 2017 11: 57 New
      +8
      Yes, everything is clear, a million Russian and Belarusian orcs were already ready to fall upon the light of elfism, but they saw the radiant Baltic knights, they got scared and shook off at the dachas request
    2. CAT BAIYUN
      CAT BAIYUN 26 October 2017 11: 58 New
      +8
      Sasha, what are they eating from you there?
      I'm just for it, but I'm worried about the guys. laughing
      1. Cutter
        Cutter 26 October 2017 12: 23 New
        +7
        Sasha, what are they eating from you there?

        hi Sanya hi what hospitable laughing are you

        Hello, Dear Vasya and Volodya! hi hi They feed on mushrooms (harvest!), And settled down ... in tents right on the site! And I'm calmer ... soldier
        At least I can stand up for myself. yes
        1. Cutter
          Cutter 26 October 2017 12: 42 New
          +7
          I forgot the main thing! A boar neighbor failed, my brothers will not be hungry ... yes
    3. Partyzan
      Partyzan 26 October 2017 12: 06 New
      +7
      Quote: Cutter
      I invited them, not you ...

      hi Sanya hi how hospitable you are laughing
    4. utyutkin
      utyutkin 27 October 2017 19: 58 New
      0
      if you don’t have enough space, let them call on me :) - the neighbor removed the potatoes from the boar :) the cucumbers in the jars are home-brewed. left a current to melt a bathhouse :)
  3. To be or not to be
    To be or not to be 26 October 2017 11: 48 New
    +1
    What does NATO have to do with Russia? Let your Members blame and discuss
  4. Gray brother
    Gray brother 26 October 2017 11: 50 New
    +6
    The Ukrainian observer at the West-2017 exercises observes Russian aggression:
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 26 October 2017 11: 53 New
      +6
      Strange, isn't it?
      Russia allegedly underestimated the number of participants in the exercises so as not to invite the observers whom she invited.
      1. reservist
        reservist 26 October 2017 11: 59 New
        +2
        so as not to invite the observers whom she invited.

        It is necessary to leave PACE faster.
        No observers! am
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 26 October 2017 12: 05 New
          +1
          Quote: reservist
          It is necessary to leave PACE faster.

          And here is PACE?
      2. Gray brother
        Gray brother 26 October 2017 12: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        Strange, isn't it?
        Russia allegedly underestimated the number of participants in the exercises so as not to invite the observers whom she invited.

        There were only Kremlin agents - they are not counted.
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 26 October 2017 11: 52 New
    +4
    blame Moscow for deliberately misleading the West

    Maybe the time has come to say purely in Russian - and if you had not gone, Messrs. Westerners, to the "distant forest." There is a limit to everything, and patience can also end. And you just need to start first with small American mongrel (Balts, Poles, Ukrainians) gradually moving to the Anglo-Saxons. This petty schmurd already pretty tired of his tedious buzzing over the ear.
  6. Gray brother
    Gray brother 26 October 2017 11: 54 New
    +4
    More observers at the West-2017 exercises - everything was napy up at NATO:
  7. Gray brother
    Gray brother 26 October 2017 11: 56 New
    +8
    Are you cold? And count what the Germans were near Moscow.
  8. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 26 October 2017 11: 56 New
    +6
    We will very clearly say what we think about this behavior.

    Tryndet, do not toss the bags. What still have not said? Or gather with the spirit?
    Let them threaten with a finger. This generally should inspire terror in our hearts. laughing
    Well and then - everyone wrote in boiling water that the Russians would attack. Do not attack. So why hysteria then ?!
  9. Egorovich
    Egorovich 26 October 2017 11: 57 New
    +8
    You don’t need to talk to the West at all while they live in their parallel world, understandable only to them. They want conversation, they will come running. And you never need to make excuses to them.
  10. Gray brother
    Gray brother 26 October 2017 12: 01 New
    +4
    “Partners” discuss how many times it is necessary to increase the number of troops participating in the exercises “West-2017” so that Russia looks more terrible.
  11. Gray brother
    Gray brother 26 October 2017 12: 02 New
    +3
    Around the KGB and Surkovian propaganda, but we must hold on. America is with us!
  12. 1536
    1536 26 October 2017 12: 07 New
    +2
    Twenty five again! Isn’t it easier to send NATO to hell and stop paying attention to their “accusations”. Such an impression. that in our Moscow Region they are so “tormented” when they are accused that they simply have no strength.
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 26 October 2017 12: 48 New
      0
      Quote: 1536
      Such an impression. that in our Moscow Region they are so “tormented” when they are accused that they simply have no strength.

      Yes, no one is tormented there, just there is a press service that works out its salary.
  13. Eurodav
    Eurodav 26 October 2017 12: 08 New
    0
    Quite from the oak collapsed! Why was everything easier in the USSR ...
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 26 October 2017 12: 15 New
      +3
      Quote: Evrodav
      Why was everything easier in the USSR ...

      there they simply spoke in a normal diplomatic language - "On X ..., On X .. and VP ...".
      1. utyutkin
        utyutkin 27 October 2017 19: 59 New
        0
        but not yet .... t! :))))
    2. ARES623
      ARES623 26 October 2017 20: 18 New
      0
      Quote: Evrodav
      Quite from the oak collapsed! Why was everything easier in the USSR ...

      Well, not really easier. One day, in the shaggy 80s, in order to reduce the time for the deputy commander to go to the area, our regiment sent for exercises to the training ground, which was located in the border zone, before opening the packet with the "task". And when they opened the bag, they saw that they had to go to the other side of the border. Such a jo ... but it happened that this deputy flew to the SAVO division within two days !!! A neighbor in a communal apartment from radio intelligence spoke a little how the neighboring side announced a local mobilization. And then problems could happen ... laughing
  14. ioan-e
    ioan-e 26 October 2017 12: 08 New
    0
    So it is tempting to ask NATO, what is your dog business?
  15. Gray brother
    Gray brother 26 October 2017 12: 09 New
    +3
    Impressions this thing is ...)))
  16. koshmarik
    koshmarik 26 October 2017 12: 09 New
    +5
    Clever men from NATO are firmly convinced that in Russia there is no concept of "military secret" and the right to conduct exercises - that’s what they are crucifying in the calculations. Take an example from Russia. When asked about NATO exercises near our borders, Putin said: "Let them train for themselves."
    1. utyutkin
      utyutkin 27 October 2017 20: 01 New
      0
      and launched 4 missiles :)))). Well, so clean practice :))))))).
  17. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 26 October 2017 12: 22 New
    +1
    What is their dog business? They think that only we should fulfill the CFE Treaty?
  18. rpuropuu
    rpuropuu 26 October 2017 12: 35 New
    +2
    In turn, NATO experts, having studied satellite images, came to the conclusion that tens of thousands of troops were involved in the maneuvers.
    And at least 10 imperial cruisers and one death star! good
  19. Antianglosax
    Antianglosax 26 October 2017 12: 55 New
    +3
    Expensive of course, but such maneuvers should be annual, and quarterly tactical. So that Western animals get used to it and especially do not react to people.
    Quote: The same Lech
    Such is the psychology of the information war ... one should not follow the Anglo-Saxons ...
    the answer to them should be only one ...
    it’s not your dog’s business what we do on our territory.

    One must either completely ignore these vile screeches, or begin to blame the stars themselves for all existing sins, which in fact is true. Following the example of the USSR, not a day would the Anglo-Zionist shitheads be caught in dirty tricks!
  20. assa67
    assa67 26 October 2017 13: 19 New
    +5
    Quote: rpuropuu
    In turn, NATO experts, having studied satellite images, came to the conclusion that tens of thousands of troops were involved in the maneuvers.

    it’s just that these hollowers and the population counted in the territories where the exercises were carried out, then they multiplied by two more, the fear has big eyes laughing
  21. raw174
    raw174 26 October 2017 13: 31 New
    +5
    Comrade Lavrov, you have the floor!
    Lavrov: "Well, what can I say, D ... b ...!"
  22. Alexander Prikhodko
    Alexander Prikhodko 26 October 2017 14: 45 New
    +2
    bambarbia - kergudu is for nato
  23. Sergey53
    Sergey53 26 October 2017 15: 24 New
    0
    And what is the essence of the question gentlemen? Didn’t you bring something out or remind yourself of your beloved?
  24. timgan777
    timgan777 26 October 2017 21: 06 New
    +1
    .... I'm an aggressor and bloodthirsty ... fear
  25. Fkjydjckfrgh
    Fkjydjckfrgh 27 October 2017 02: 16 New
    0
    I "don’t stick", our ours are justified. Yes, even a half billion, the rainbow did not climb into the garden? - that’s all! And to interfere in the internal affairs of a sovereign state, as the "comrades from the American regional committee" correctly noted, is not camouflage.