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In the United States can not figure out the cause of oxygen starvation pilots F-35

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RIA News, referring to US information sources, reports on the statement made by Pentagon representatives regarding F-35. The department said that the US Air Force Commission revealed serious problems associated with insufficient amounts of oxygen for the pilots of the 5-generation aircraft. These problems, as noted, are still not resolved.


We are talking about a series of reports from pilots operating the F-35. The reports state that the pilots show symptoms of oxygen starvation during flight. Flight incidents are called "physiological episodes".

Until now, as stated, the main problem of the deterioration of the pilots' state of health has not been identified. According to one version, such a problem (cause) is a direct decrease in the oxygen level in the blood - hypoxia, on the other - an excessive level of carbon dioxide in the blood (hypercapnia, as a particular case of hypoxia). Causes such as decompression sickness, dehydration and even lack of sleep in individual pilots are also considered.

In the United States can not figure out the cause of oxygen starvation pilots F-35


It is noted that in the previous years of operation of the F-35 in the USA, 10 cases of the mentioned symptoms were detected in pilots. And for an incomplete 2017 year - also ten. It is noted that the number of complaints is growing, and the problem that is being worked on by both doctors and technical specialists is far from being resolved.

The fact that a special commission cannot reveal patterns of a sharp deterioration in the condition of F-35 pilots also adds complexity. Only one pattern - the largest number of appeals received from the pilots of the Luke airbase in Arizona this summer. However, the reason for this is simple - during this period, the largest number of training flights on the F-35 took place at the air base.
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  1. himRa
    himRa 26 October 2017 06: 32 New
    +8
    Do not ... guys ... you have to ask our shaman with a tambourine !! wassat if the brains are not enough ....
    1. Logall
      Logall 26 October 2017 06: 40 New
      14
      Yes, I can say without a shaman! –The plane is the same '' it ''!
      1. just exp
        just exp 26 October 2017 06: 57 New
        +6
        here is not a shaman, here is a farmer, for he has a rake, but a shaman.
        and the rake is old, still on the rack (F-22) there was the same problem, because of which he stood on the ground for 3 years.
        that is, they took a rattle in 2006, and he began to fly fully after 2009.
        1. dik-nsk
          dik-nsk 26 October 2017 07: 26 New
          +7
          But how are the Israeli comrades exploiting and not complaining? I worry about them))) or are they secretly generating oxygen in another way from a partner? winked laughing
          1. Separ DNR
            Separ DNR 26 October 2017 07: 30 New
            +9
            Quote: dik-nsk
            But how are the Israeli comrades exploiting and not complaining? I worry about them)))

            Do not worry. They breathe through time. Gesheft in economy yes
            1. NIKNN
              NIKNN 26 October 2017 12: 57 New
              +1
              In the USA they cannot find out cause of oxygen starvation pilots F-35

              Strange, but the REASON for oxygen starvation is a lack of oxygen in the blood or, as applied to aviation, insufficient partial pressure of oxygen in the blood, in this case it is not enough to supply pure oxygen, it must also be supplied under pressure ... and this has always been decided by using it in equipment pilot VKK and GSH, if they are trying to create these conditions directly in the cockpit, I think the power of the oxygen installation leaves much to be desired ... request
          2. himRa
            himRa 26 October 2017 09: 10 New
            +3
            Quote: dik-nsk
            But how are the Israeli comrades exploiting and not complaining? I worry about them)))

            They can’t complain, it’s like recognizing the Jews, they have drawn in an adventure of universal proportions ....
            that’s how they can get out of their own accord, but admit to the problems (!!!) it’s to admit that the Jews were dragged into an adventure by their desire, having bought for a sweet word ,, freebie ,, !!!
            1. reservist
              reservist 26 October 2017 09: 18 New
              +3
              the special commission cannot in any way reveal the patterns of a sharp deterioration in the status of F-35 pilots

              But how are the Israeli comrades exploiting and not complaining?

              Or maybe they’re not looking there?
              Looking for reasons in technology, and themselves of american pilots are not taken into account.
              Spin their head exclusivity and high conceit.
              Their moral qualities have fallen!
              SHOULD DRINK LESS !!! laughing drinks drinks drinks
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 26 October 2017 11: 29 New
          +2
          Quote: just EXPL
          that is, they took a rattle in 2006, and he began to fly fully after 2009.

          As I said earlier, the F-35 safely took over all the diseases and problems of its older brother F-22. And I think the problem with pilot hypoxia is not the last sore of the 35th, which will emerge with the more intensive use of these aircraft.
          Now on the topic ...
          In the course of the checks, it was possible to identify the source of the problem. According to the Pentagon, it turned out to be a vest worn by pilots to facilitate breathing at low pressure of the F-22 cockpit: at high loads, it inflated too much and prevented breathing normally. As a result of the modernization resulting from this, in order to ensure a better air flow, two significant changes were made. Firstly, the valve in the vest supporting the pressure of the pilots was replaced: now it reacts to a change in pressure in the cockpit and deflates when it is not needed. And secondly, the amount of air entering the pilot was increased. Such a change became possible after removal of the filter, which determined the presence of contaminants in the oxygen present in the system. In this case, the possibility of pollution was excluded in principle.

          After receiving assurances that the corrective measures taken would minimize the signs of hypoxia experienced by F-22 pilots, the Pentagon approved the Air Force’s planned successive lifting of restrictions on flights starting July 24, 2012.

          That is, they installed a backup oxygen system, changed the vest and it seems that the problem was solved ... but ..
          In addition to F-22, OBOGS is installed on F-16, F-15E, A-10, F-35, F-18 and other US aircraft. In this case, the oxygen supply problem arose only on the F-22 of the US Air Force and on the F-18. Between 2002 and 2009, the United States Navy reported 64 cases of interruptions in air supply to F-18 crews. Twice this ended in the death of pilots. However, on the F-18, the cause of the malfunction was discovered - carbon monoxide entered the oxygen system - and eliminated. At the same time, about 77% of incidents occurred on single-seat Hornets.

          I think that the OBOGS oxygen system itself is not completely reliable. But if you decide to install a duplicating new oxygen system, instead of the standard one on the F-35, in which there are not so many places, then designers may encounter the issue of placing additional equipment inside the aircraft, and possible internal re-arrangement, if not of the entire aircraft, then parts.
          And another good question is whether the new backup system will be shoved into the F-35 and for how long, if it is assembled.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 26 October 2017 06: 40 New
      +5
      There is no shaman, but you need to train .. How to work in the cockpit with pressure inside the gas mask with the plug plugged .. But seriously, you need to train. And deal with the technique.
      Quote: himRa
      Do not ... guys ... you have to ask our shaman with a tambourine !! wassat if the brains are not enough ....
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 26 October 2017 06: 47 New
        +2
        210quq Today, 06:40 ↑ New
        There is no shaman, but you need to train .. How to work in the cabin with pressure inside the gas mask with a plugged plug..

        hi ! ... and around - chloropicrin ... beauty !!!
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 26 October 2017 11: 52 New
        +5
        Quote: 210ox
        And deal with the technique.

        All these problems, which regularly pop up from the F-35, speak only of unresolved problems at the design stage; that is, these are not factory-level problems, or when used in military units by simple negligence in use (which in itself sounds wild) ... these are problems of everything Project F-35 at the level of drawings and analysis. And such problems, as a rule, are already very difficult or impossible to fix on already finished products that have gone into production, which imposes restrictions on flight modes, which is unacceptable for a combat vehicle, as the enemy will not adhere to these restrictions of US pilots.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 26 October 2017 13: 34 New
          +2
          "All these problems regularly pop up with the F-35" ////
          ------
          When about 300 planes fly with combat pilots, having already made more than 100 thousand hours (without accidents, by the way), more problems pop up than when there are 12 prototypes with test pilots.
          This is called the intensive operation of military equipment. And pop-up problems solve as they arrive.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 26 October 2017 13: 50 New
            +5
            Quote: voyaka uh
            This is called the intensive operation of military equipment. And pop-up problems solve as they arrive.

            Despite the fact that design flaws are identified already at the stage of serial machines. That is, in the face of obvious problems with the aircraft, which are either difficult or impossible to eliminate, which sets restrictions on use.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 26 October 2017 14: 18 New
              +1
              "design flaws are identified already at the stage of production machines" ///

              If there was a design flaw, then the problem would be identified long
              up to 100,000 flight hours. But it manifests itself 1) on some planes, 2) on some pilots 3) and not always.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 26 October 2017 14: 27 New
                +7
                Quote: voyaka uh
                If there was a design flaw, then the problem would be identified long

                You are mistaken, since it was a rush to put into the F-35 series, it just did not give such an opportunity to identify at the stage of factory tests.
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 26 October 2017 14: 39 New
                  +1
                  There were 20 cases of malaise per thousands and thousands of flights. And they began to investigate in all seriousness.
                  I believe that in Russia no one would have noticed such trifles at all.
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 26 October 2017 14: 47 New
                    +4
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    There were 20 cases of malaise per thousands and thousands of flights.

                    So more intensive is the use of F-35 and reveals new problems and more.
                    1. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 26 October 2017 14: 56 New
                      +2
                      "So more intensive is the use of F-35 and reveals new problems" ////
                      good drinks
                      Finally, you realized that the F-35 is a combat aircraft of the air forces of seven countries. Not selected test pilots fly on it, but ordinary pilots. And in it there will be replacements of devices, parts, units, their improvements and additions, as in any equipment in the series.
                      For 60 years, for which it is intended, there will still be no edge of upgrades, a block such and such.
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 26 October 2017 15: 01 New
                        +7
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        Finally, you realized that the F-35 is a military aircraft of the seven countries

                        No, dear. This is an airplane with big problems for seven countries, which will lead to additional considerable expenses and problems. Only you do not want to understand this.
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        For 60 years, for which it is intended, there will still be no edge of upgrades, a block such and such.

                        All these upgrades for 17 years are aimed at bringing this aircraft into combat condition so that it can carry out what was put into the project 17 years ago, that is, it’s not modernization, but attempts to make candy out of excrement. But just do not water a lot of this substance with expensive perfume, it will not get better inside.
                      2. okko077
                        okko077 26 October 2017 16: 06 New
                        +2
                        There will be no intensive use of the F-35. Yes, we can agree that many systems, including the engine, are unique and technologically advanced today ... But they are embodied in the unsuccessful concept of a narrowly targeted aircraft ... To put it mildly ... It will never become a workhorse - a universal combat aircraft ... as if it weren’t defended ... and all sorts of moys including .... And in this way, attempts to suck in suckers is a miracle will continue ...
                      3. Victor-M
                        Victor-M 26 October 2017 22: 55 New
                        +1
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        Finally, you realized that the F-35 is a combat aircraft of the air forces of seven countries. Not selected test pilots fly on it, but ordinary pilots. And in it there will be replacements of devices, parts, units, their improvements and additions, as in any equipment in the series.

                        It turns out the only difference between it and the SU-57 is the released number of F-35s - defective aircraft. This achievement is something else. laughing
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          2. Victor-M
            Victor-M 26 October 2017 22: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            This is called the intensive operation of military equipment. And pop-up problems solve as they arrive.

            This is called no need to stay in the cockpit of a combat aircraft, otherwise they will get drunk on their rotten hamburgers, and then they will have oxygen starvation. laughing
    3. Herculesic
      Herculesic 26 October 2017 06: 53 New
      +4
      Rahim hi drinks I greet hi ! And the Israelis will not be called for this air raid, they say that super tsatsa, and generally the best in the universe over the past 3 trillion years! !! lol
      1. himRa
        himRa 26 October 2017 06: 58 New
        +3
        Quote: Herkulesich
        it’s an airborne log bomb, they say that super tsatsa, and generally the best in the universe over the past 3 trillion years! !!

        Hello dear hi
        Duc .... they can’t admit that they were dragged into an adventure !!! wassat laughing
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 26 October 2017 08: 31 New
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          Raheem, good morning hi That's what interests me, ours put an oxygen station on airplanes and produce it right on board. No need to carry stock for the entire flight. And how is this with them? Or again, are Russian hackers to blame for the lack of oxygen? lol drinks
          1. himRa
            himRa 26 October 2017 08: 47 New
            +3
            Quote: Svarog51
            And how is this with them? Or again, are Russian hackers to blame for the lack of oxygen?

            Sergei welcome! hi
            Frankly, it's not me! laughing
            Seriously, they have the same ..... the days when they dragged the oxygen tank passed!
            But even they themselves do not know the exact reason .... I suspect it is time to keep an account for the money spent wassat
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 26 October 2017 08: 58 New
              11
              Raheem, you can least think of you, you have no time to do such stupid things. You are here with us, there are so many witnesses. wink
              But seriously, they will again knock out money for this business. Comprehensive research is expensive.
          2. NN52
            NN52 26 October 2017 12: 36 New
            +7
            Svarog 51

            Both we and they have cylinders that are filled by an oxygen machine.
            I have not heard about the station .... Can you imagine how much this station is in weight?
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 26 October 2017 12: 58 New
              +8
              It seems that there was an article on VO about this, but I did not find something. Look here, I didn’t take the news from the ceiling https://iz.ru/news/553809 and the thing is that it is small-sized and produces oxygen in the right volumes.
              1. NN52
                NN52 26 October 2017 14: 01 New
                +8
                Found an article, damn it didn’t know ... Thanks ...
                But they only experience it. And what will be in case of a 15 km engine failure interesting?
                Just in case, they will probably put an emergency cylinder again ...
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 26 October 2017 14: 20 New
                  +8
                  Yes always please. You are looking for an article on the site, they probably expressed their thoughts more than me. Maybe something interesting. As I understand it, this thing helps to remove the time limit in the air. You can then refuel with fuel, but how can oxygen be transferred to the pilot? That apparently solved this problem.
    4. Orionvit
      Orionvit 26 October 2017 08: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: himRa
      if there are not enough brains ...

      Can the oxygen tap open a little? But probably, for a very sophisticated technique, it is very difficult. laughing
  2. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 26 October 2017 06: 34 New
    12
    insufficient oxygen
    - Have you tried to open the window? laughing
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 26 October 2017 08: 33 New
      11
      Volodya, welcome hi
      and did not try to open a window?

      They tried - it helps near the ground, but at the height, on the contrary - everything blows. wassat drinks
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 26 October 2017 08: 38 New
        +6
        Serge, hello! hi The window must be put rotary, as on a "penny" and regulate the flow of air fool And if you don’t succeed, then fly low, low! what what
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 26 October 2017 08: 48 New
          11
          There is a way to do without a window. While the aircraft is parked, the pilot does not experience any starvation. Let them sit on the ground - fewer problems. bully
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 26 October 2017 09: 00 New
            +4
            Quote: Svarog51
            Let them sit on the ground - fewer problems.

            I would not say that. lol
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 26 October 2017 09: 01 New
              +2
              The expression of the subject delivers incredibly.
              1. Svarog51
                Svarog51 26 October 2017 09: 11 New
                10
                Gee s! laughing So I didn’t offer the pilot to be driven into the cockpit; let him play chess in the flight waiting room with friends or send tea with his wife at home. If only he didn’t approach the plane, he would be happy. lol
          2. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 26 October 2017 09: 21 New
            +7
            Quote: Svarog51
            less problems

            And motor resources are not wasted ....
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 26 October 2017 09: 29 New
              11
              And motor resources are not wasted ....

              And fuel is not consumed ...
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 26 October 2017 09: 32 New
                +5
                Quote: Svarog51
                And no fuel is consumed

                And no one is choking! good
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 26 October 2017 09: 55 New
                  10
                  And no one is choking!

                  And in the air from a lack of oxygen, and on the ground from explosions of bombs and missiles. drinks
  3. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 26 October 2017 06: 43 New
    +3
    The problem is similar to the one that F-22 had. This is not a problem. They will decide, like the previous one. I am interested in a technical question. Today more than 200 cars fly. This is a thousand hours. Why on the same plane after dozens of trouble-free flights can an isolated case of hypoxia occur?
    1. himRa
      himRa 26 October 2017 06: 47 New
      +4
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Why on the same plane after dozens of trouble-free flights can an isolated case of hypoxia occur?

      To the shaman ... in Altai wassat
    2. MadCat
      MadCat 26 October 2017 06: 50 New
      +3
      RIA Novosti, citing US information sources, reports a statement by Pentagon representatives

      these platypus bearers from RIA somehow do not cause trust. Is there any problem at all?
      1. himRa
        himRa 26 October 2017 07: 03 New
        +3
        Quote: MadCat
        Is there any problem at all?

        Comments did not try to read?
        Yes! Was still on fu22
        1. MadCat
          MadCat 26 October 2017 07: 08 New
          +1
          Quote: himRa
          Yes! Was still on fu22

          see your comments, storytellers from RIA enough. It was decided on F22 as it were. Usually, due to such problems, flights are being turned off rather than flying, and planes are not being flown to Japan. F35 on an ongoing basis, even in Alaska is already registered.
          1. himRa
            himRa 26 October 2017 07: 11 New
            +2
            Quote: MadCat
            It was decided on F22 as it were.

            Not well ... if you suffer for a long time, something happens!
            3 years eliminated this problem ... there was craft on the ground .... 3 years, CARL !!!
            The problem is not constant and not critical ..... but they cannot solve !!!! wassat
            1. Orionvit
              Orionvit 26 October 2017 08: 54 New
              +3
              Quote: himRa
              The problem is not constant and not critical ..... but they cannot solve !!!!

              If anyone has encountered aviation (and not only), there are no worse “floating” defects, that is, which do not constantly manifest themselves. But procrastinate for three years? Here you are right. I already wrote here, maybe really just open the oxygen tap? lol
              1. himRa
                himRa 26 October 2017 09: 37 New
                +3
                Quote: Orionvit
                But procrastinate for three years? Here you are right.

                It’s us technicians and physicists who think so, but there are also lyricists and effective managers, they know that you can breed suckers forever ... well, Chubais is an example for you ..
    3. Herculesic
      Herculesic 26 October 2017 06: 55 New
      +4
      Aaron hi and on f22 they didn’t completely solve the problem, unofficially it rises above 7000 meters and is not recommended to pilots! !!
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 26 October 2017 07: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: Herkulesich
        Aaron hi and on f22 they didn’t completely solve the problem, unofficially it rises above 7000 meters and is not recommended to pilots! !!

        All restrictions have long been lifted.
    4. just exp
      just exp 26 October 2017 06: 58 New
      +1
      hinting at sabotage?
      then there was a sabotage (f-22), too, but the engineers corrected this sabotage themselves.
      so saboteurs must be sought among the developers.
      1. Herculesic
        Herculesic 26 October 2017 07: 35 New
        +4
        It’s just that the exploit didn’t solve anything, and didn’t, because earlier in flight on f22 the pilot complained about pressure in the chest cavity, which led to fainting, and at least two plane crashes with the death of pilots, and now, in new suits or suits anti-reloading presses already on the sides, and also sometimes, but rarely, pilots have fainting! !! Therefore, unofficially above seven kilometers they are not recommended to climb! !!
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit 26 October 2017 09: 01 New
          0
          Quote: Herkulesich
          and also sometimes, but rarely, pilots have fainting!

          Or maybe American pilots (pilots only in civil aviation), just with a hangover? Or specifically health is not okay? Over in the states that have already retired fighter pilots, they are withdrawn back, and with the "old man" in flight, anything can happen, including oxygen starvation. laughing
    5. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 26 October 2017 07: 00 New
      +3
      This is not a problem. Decide, like the previous one

      If the Americans have already encountered (in your words) this problem, then why didn’t they take this into account on the new plane? So this is still a problem. Your optimism is understandable in connection with the presence of these aircraft in your arsenal.
    6. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 26 October 2017 07: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Why on the same plane after dozens of trouble-free flights can an isolated case of hypoxia occur?


      I work as a technologist in a factory.
      There were sometimes cases when a long chain of causes / consequences of problems appeared.
      in the most insidious cases, the symptoms of the malfunction were directed to another, secondary problem.
      Of course, I rejoiced because I found the root cause. Of course I was upset.
      and when at the end you solve such a problem, you think - that’s an idiot, t. still it was in sight!
    7. Gray brother
      Gray brother 26 October 2017 09: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Why on the same plane after dozens of trouble-free flights can an isolated case of hypoxia occur?

      Surely these are Russian hackers.
  4. Tusv
    Tusv 26 October 2017 06: 44 New
    0
    A typical problem of the pilots of the super-saber voiced by the Yaga of All Russia: "I can’t eat, I can’t sleep"- there is no gravitsapa, and while the Jews do not stibrate - heal
  5. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 26 October 2017 06: 45 New
    +4
    Along the entire route of all f-35s, oxygen should be sprayed from giant spray aircraft. The production of lockheed martins, of course. "That's how much bloodworm you can wash!" .
  6. aszzz888
    aszzz888 26 October 2017 06: 45 New
    +1
    The US Air Force Commission has identified serious problems associated with insufficient oxygen volumes for 5th generation aircraft pilots.

    ... but they haven’t tried it on carbon dioxide, it’s certainly enough ... bully
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 26 October 2017 06: 51 New
      +2
      Then nitrogen or methane is better wassat Moreover, the last pilots in flight themselves can unintentionally emit lol
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 26 October 2017 06: 55 New
        0
        Herculesych Today, 06:51 ↑
        Then nitrogen is better, or wassat methane all the more recent pilots in flight themselves can unintentionally emit lol

        ... then they need to fly on toilets, and paper is always at hand ... laughing
  7. Herculesic
    Herculesic 26 October 2017 06: 50 New
    +1
    Pilots are too fat, and breathe too often - there is not enough air here! lol
  8. Nix1986
    Nix1986 26 October 2017 06: 58 New
    +5
    Yes, what nonsense, in the 21st century they can not conduct a simple blood test after flights and find out the causes of oxygenation disorders ?! What a duck news.
    1. himRa
      himRa 26 October 2017 07: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: Nix1986
      Yes, what nonsense, in the 21st century they can not conduct a simple blood test after flights and find out the causes of oxygenation disorders ?! What a duck news.

      The problem really exists but is inconsistent and not critical .... request was still on F22 ....
      1. Nix1986
        Nix1986 26 October 2017 08: 51 New
        0
        The fact of the matter is that it can be inconsistent and not so critical. And here they are trying to present this news as if the Yankees do not even know how to make equipment to provide air at high altitudes. The fool is counted.
        1. himRa
          himRa 26 October 2017 09: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: Nix1986
          The fact of the matter is that it can be inconsistent and not so critical. And here they are trying to present this news as if the Yankees do not even know how to make equipment to provide air at high altitudes. The fool is counted.

          I do not agree with you ...
          We are talking about the fact that exceptional breed suckers like others ... for example, Ukrainians laughing
  9. Masya masya
    Masya masya 26 October 2017 07: 05 New
    +8
    Maybe they should try flying with a scuba gear ... recourse
    1. himRa
      himRa 26 October 2017 07: 22 New
      +4
      Quote: Masya Masya
      Maybe they should try flying with a scuba gear ... recourse

      Need to do something!!!
      because of the catapult, and so they’ve got beaten on their heads, and then ... there’s nothing to fart!
      I highly recommend a shaman to them.
      I'm sorry love
      1. Svarog51
        Svarog51 26 October 2017 08: 41 New
        10
        Rahim hi So our shamans from Altai help our pilots. And they have only Indian shamans at their disposal. How many Indians are they spread rot? Here they are local shamans and nashamanil. They themselves are to blame. lol
        1. himRa
          himRa 26 October 2017 08: 58 New
          +2
          Quote: Svarog51
          How many Indians are they spread rot?

          About 100 years ... finally, it seems, they achieved (catch-ups) ... and then mysticism enters, and .... clicks on the nose and says that everything is not clear
          But seriously, the naive are constantly stepping on a rake
          We made a public relations airplane here is the result!
          The superfood machine also breaks ..
          1. Svarog51
            Svarog51 26 October 2017 09: 18 New
            10
            and then mysticism comes in and .... clicks on the nose and condemns that everything is not clear

            Here you are one hundred percent right. good Let Lockheed equip the expedition with the gifts to Great Manitou. Otherwise, someone will go ahead of time to the country of the Eternal Hunt. laughing
    2. novel66
      novel66 26 October 2017 07: 47 New
      +5
      Masenka, hi love you are a genius (genius?) - this is probably not a plane, but a small submarine, you need to sail on it, not fly
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 26 October 2017 07: 55 New
        +5
        Hello, Roman! love I’m thinking, maybe everything is much simpler ... the toad is strangling? recourse
        1. novel66
          novel66 26 October 2017 07: 59 New
          +6
          airplane toad? - just do not do without a shaman
          1. Masya masya
            Masya masya 26 October 2017 08: 14 New
            +6
            Quote: novel xnumx
            airplane toad?

            Fuck knows ... wink

            laughing
            1. novel66
              novel66 26 October 2017 09: 22 New
              +4
              here and let their toad solve their problem with horseradish
  10. Zhelezyakin
    Zhelezyakin 26 October 2017 07: 11 New
    +3
    How, are these starving too? Maybe the problem is in the pilots themselves ?! Better to feed
  11. vladimir553123
    vladimir553123 26 October 2017 07: 24 New
    +1
    how many goals were broken because of this plane. another thing is evident. the design itself is apparently lame.
    the question is, how are things going with this question? because our such somersaults make and fly so high?. Here too, I think it will be interesting, and not only to me.
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 26 October 2017 07: 29 New
      +1
      We have different life systems, and therefore we have no such problems.
  12. andrewkor
    andrewkor 26 October 2017 07: 32 New
    +3
    So you have to fly low, low with an open flashlight and no more than I-16m speed, that’s the solution to all the problems. And how to fight, ask? So I say - just fly, but not a word about fighting!
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit 26 October 2017 09: 09 New
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      Quote: andrewkor
      So you have to fly with an open flashlight

      The method is good, most importantly failure-free. laughing But if without jokes, in an open cockpit, at a speed of 400 km / h (on the I-16), such pressure drops arise that I personally, I don’t envy those pilots.
  13. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 26 October 2017 08: 34 New
    +2
    Negative placebo. It seems that pilots are simply afraid to fly a plane around which the black aura is already with the naked eye.
  14. Fkjydjckfrgh
    Fkjydjckfrgh 26 October 2017 08: 45 New
    +1
    It’s just really scary to fly on the Chumadan.
  15. rpuropuu
    rpuropuu 26 October 2017 09: 19 New
    +2
    Quote: dik-nsk
    But how are the Israeli comrades exploiting and not complaining? I worry about them))) or are they secretly generating oxygen in another way from a partner? winked laughing

    "Sweet vinegar for free" laughing So they don’t complain wink By the way there is a version that the "freebie" is a word of Jewish origin good I hope everyone will explain to us yes
  16. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 26 October 2017 09: 43 New
    +2
    Interesting pattern: staff members have problems recourse , in God's chosen everything good and sausages god-bearers belay .
    What is it for? hi
    1. chidoryan
      chidoryan 26 October 2017 10: 30 New
      +2
      to the fact that for the time being there is no fifth generation, that’s why they come to foam.
    2. Orionvit
      Orionvit 26 October 2017 10: 49 New
      +4
      Quote: A. Privalov
      and sausages god-bearers

      I don’t know who your God-bearer is (there is not a single main character in the Bible who is not a Jew), and who is sausage here? In all this story with the "very" plane, we just neighing. What we successfully do. laughing
    3. _Ugene_
      _Ugene_ 26 October 2017 11: 05 New
      +4
      So we rejoice for you, praise God that the "God's chosen all have a bunch."
      A discussion of F-35 problems is a traditional Russian fun, do not pay attention
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  18. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 26 October 2017 11: 15 New
    +1
    Quote: Orionvit
    Quote: A. Privalov
    and sausages god-bearers

    I don’t know who your God-bearer is (there is not a single main character in the Bible who is not a Jew), and who is sausage here? In all this story with the "very" plane, we just neighing. What we successfully do. laughing

    "There is nothing to be done. Then everyone was Jewish. Time was such ..." (c) laughing
    1. ADT
      ADT 26 October 2017 13: 33 New
      0
      Well, that’s ALL. But how is it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xFLvxdLeBU
  19. Maz
    Maz 26 October 2017 13: 58 New
    0
    Quote: himRa
    Do not ... guys ... you have to ask our shaman with a tambourine !! wassat if the brains are not enough ....

    What for? We will send the rabbi from the promised land.
  20. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 26 October 2017 15: 09 New
    +2
    NEXUS,
    What can I say..? I hope that 20-30 pieces of future Su-57 will not be necessary
    water perfume. wink All problems will be solved once and for all. fellow
    1. Victor-M
      Victor-M 26 October 2017 23: 00 New
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      What can I say..? I hope that 20-30 pieces of future Su-57 will not be necessary
      water perfume.

      And what are you already watering the F-35? laughing
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  22. cedar
    cedar 26 October 2017 17: 40 New
    +1
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    The problem is similar to the one that F-22 had. This is not a problem. They will decide, like the previous one. I am interested in a technical question. Today more than 200 cars fly. This is a thousand hours. Why on the same plane after dozens of trouble-free flights can an isolated case of hypoxia occur?


    See at the root, dear. Not otherwise, the oxygen content in the atmosphere drops in places ...
    Forest is a source of oxygen. Protect the forests from destruction and the fire of war.