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"The wealth of Dazh-God’s grandsons perished, in the princely feuds the human age was shortened"

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“There were centuries of Troyan, the years of Yaroslav passed, there were also the wars of Olegov, Oleg Svyatoslavich. After all, Oleg forged sword with swords and sowed arrows on the ground ... Then, under Oleg Gorislavich, strife was sown and germinated, the wealth of Dazh-God’s grandsons perished, and the human age was reduced to princely feuds. Then, on the Russian land, the plowmen rarely shouted, but often the crows would graze, divide the corpses among themselves, and the jackdaws spoke in their own way, intending to fly to live on. ”


"A Word about the Regiment of Igor"

The new Grand Prince Svyatopolk Izyaslavich went on his father’s way in Kiev and quickly with his entourage created the prerequisites for a new uprising. His entourage tried to reward themselves by abusing power. The Jewish quarter of Kiev (the center of usury) flourished even more magnificently than under Prince Izyaslav. The Jews were under the special patronage of the Grand Duke, “they took away all the crafts from the Christians and under Svyatopolk had great freedom and power, through which many merchants and artisans were ruined” (V.N. Tatishchev. History Russian M., 1962-1963).

Yes, and the Grand Duke did not hesitate to profit. Svyatopolk took away the salt monopoly at the Pechersk monastery (the monastery was given to the former princes), and handed it to the farmers. His son Mstislav brutally tortured the monks Fedor and Vasily, he was told that they allegedly found treasures and hide them. Metropolitan of Kiev Ephraim fled to Pereyaslavl. Under the arm of Monomakh (as earlier under his father Vsevolod, fled from Izyaslav) boyars, warriors and citizens. It is not surprising that after the death of Svyatopolk in Kiev, a popular uprising will take place, during which the houses of officials, boyars and usurers were crushed. To calm the common people can only Vladimir Monomah. But this was still far away.

Meanwhile, the situation on the southern border continued to deteriorate. Under the Grand Duke Vsevolod and Vladimir Monomakh, the Kiev, Chernigov and Pereyaslav principality represented a single defense system and supported each other during the breakthroughs of the border line. Now this system has collapsed. The fighting power of the team of Vladimir Monomakh was undermined. Svyatoslavich, who seized Chernigov, were allies of the Polovtsy and did not support the fiefs that were subjected to their attacks. The talented commander Vasilko Rostislavich Terebovlsky was a friend of the Polovtsy. In the 1091 year, Vasilko, along with the Polovtsian Khans Bonyak and Tugorkan, assisted Byzantium in the war with the Pechenegs, broke them. In this case, the "enlightened" Greeks staged a massacre of prisoners, cutting out not only warriors, but also women and children, which horrified the Polovtsy and the Rus. Then he made long hikes together with his Polovtsian allies against Poland, seized several cities, expanded the principality and multiplied its population by prisoners.

And Kiev and Pereyaslav lands were devastated by the Polovtsy. Svyatopolk was a relative of the Polovtsian Prince Tugorkan, who did not touch his possessions, but ruined other lands. The Polovtsi at this time established contacts with the Crimean Jewish slave traders (Khazars). For a long time, they conducted their bloody trade, selling captured Rus to the southern countries and Western Europe. Later this terrible fishery was inherited by the Crimean Tatars, and the Khazars took part in their ethnogenesis. Now the Crimean slave traders were buying up prisoners from the Polovtsy. The laws of the Byzantine Empire forbade the Gentiles to trade Christians, but local authorities turned a blind eye to it, being tied to slave traders, and doing a common "business" on blood. For the steppe, this fishery also proved to be very profitable.

In 1095, the khans of Itlari and Kitan came to Pereyaslavl with their warriors, to make peace and receive tribute. The son of Monomakh Svyatoslav left a hostage in their camp, and Prince Itlar and his entourage entered Pereyaslavl. Boyars and soldiers of Vladimir were outraged. They say it's time to teach the discoverer. Monomakh hesitated, guests can not be touched, given oaths, there was an exchange of hostages. But the Pereyaslav men insisted: the guests were uninvited, the oaths were already broken by the Polovtsy themselves, who promised peace and made raids again. Prince persuaded. At night, experienced warriors stole his son from the Polovtsian camp. And in the morning they attacked and killed two Polovtsian khans.

Monomakh immediately sent messengers to the Grand Duke - he wrote that it was necessary to immediately attack the steppe inhabitants, until they came to their senses. Themselves to attack, and not to defend. Svyatopolk, himself heavily affected by the raids, agreed. The squads of Vladimir and Svyatopolk walked through the Polovtsian camps that did not expect an attack. The success was complete. Hastily assembled Polovtsian detachments were defeated by the Russian guards, their camps devastated. Russian captured large prey, took many prisoners, freed their own. This campaign restored the authority of Monomakh. And Svyatopolk realized that together it is easier to smash the enemy, it is better to interact. Vladimir spoke of the need to unite the forces of Russia. He put forward the idea to convene a congress of princes in Kiev, so that together with the clergy and the boyar duma, to resolve all disputes, work out measures to protect the state.

New war with Oleg Svyatoslavich. Confrontation with the Polovtsy

However, unity was far away. Began a new princely quarrel. Oleg Svyatoslavich promised to perform in 1095, together with Vladimir and Svyatopolk, but he avoided the march. Davyd Svyatoslavich Novgorod expelled. Again invited to reign Mstislav Vladimirovich. Davyd Smolensky tried to beat off Novgorod. The son of Khan Itlarya began to avenge his father, made a wild massacre in Russia, and then disappeared under the protection of Chernigov Prince Oleg. In 1096, Svyatopolk and Vladimir demanded that Oleg come to Kiev: "... let us conclude an agreement on the Russian land before the bishops, and before the abbess, and before the men of our fathers, and before the urban people, we will together defend the Russian land from the unclean." Oleg also had to extradite the Polovtsian Khan or executed him himself. Oleg Itlarevich did not give out and did not go to the congress: "It was not fitting for the bishop, or hegumen, or serfs, to judge me."

Svyatopolk and Vladimir answered him: “You therefore do not go to the Polovtsy, nor to the council with us, that you are plotting against us and you are thinking of helping nasty people. So may God judge us. ” Svyatopolk and Vladimir led their rati on Chernigov. A son of Monomakh, Izyaslav, took belonged to Oleg Moore. Oleg did not defend himself in Chernihiv and fled to Starodub. Starodubtsy stubbornly fought back, repelled the assault: “... and they fought hard besieged from the city, and these walked by attack on the city, and there were many wounded from both sides. And there was a battle between them fierce, and they stood near the city thirty-three days, and the people in the city were exhausted. ” Svyatopolk and Monomakh took hail in a dense siege. Prince Oleg asked for peace. He was forgiven and demanded that he go to Smolensk for his brother Davyd and together with him came to the princely congress in Kiev. Oleg was deprived of Chernigov, decided to re-allocate the inheritance at the Kiev Council.

While the Russian princes were cutting each other, exposing the southern frontiers, the Polovtsy decided to use the favorable time for a new invasion. Bonyak and his troops attacked Kiev, he did not storm the powerful walls, burned out the neighborhood, burned down the princely court in Berestovo, plundered the monasteries. Smoking burned Mouth on the left bank of the Dnieper. Then Tugorkan with his horde 30 May besieged Pereyaslavl. Svyatopolk and Vladimir rushed to save Pereyaslavl. The Russian princes came to the right bank of the Dnieper to Zarub and crossed the Dnieper only on July 19, that is, the city was under siege for 50 days. A garrison emerged from Pereyaslavl at the same time. Polovtsi stood on the left, east bank of Trubezh. The Russian attack was sudden and was very successful: the Polovtsy ran, many of them died during the persecution, sank in the river, Tugorkan himself and his son died. It so happened that Svyatopolk ruined his father-in-law Prince Tugorkan. 20 July Bonyak again approached in Kiev and defeated the Pechersk monastery. The great and Pereyaslavl princes threw the squad to intercept, but were late. Bonyak left, took thousands of prisoners, took away huge booty.

Meanwhile, Oleg Svyatoslavich and did not think to fulfill the oath. In Kiev, neither he nor Davyd did not appear. Oleg recruited an army and repelled Moore. 6 September 1096, in the battle of Murom, was killed the son of Monomakh, Izyaslav, and his squad was defeated. Then he captured Suzdal, Rostov and the whole land of Murom and Rostov, planted the townspeople in the cities and began to collect tribute. Vladimir Monomakh and the prince of Novgorod Mstislav, despite the death of his son and brother, expressed their readiness to make peace with Oleg again, so as not to quarrel again. Let Oleg leave Rostov and Suzdal, let the prisoners go.

However, Prince Oleg became proud, decided that his time had come. Preparing a trip to Novgorod. He planned to conquer the whole north of Russia, and then it is possible to return Chernigov, perhaps, to get Kiev. Then Mstislav Vladimirovich from Novgorod moved on him, and Vyacheslav Vladimirovich was sent by his father to help him from the south. With him were allied Polovtsy Vladimir. Oleg was ousted from Rostov and Suzdal. He was not loved there and supported the army of Monomakh. In the end, Oleg was defeated at Koloksh and expelled from Ryazan. However, Oleg was spared again. Mstislav promised him not to avenge his brother, for the burned Suzdal, to return his patrimonies, if Oleg accepts the world.

Lyubech. Continued Troubles

In 1097, all the most important princes gathered in Lyubech. Came Svyatopolk Kiev, Vladimir Monomakh, Vasilko Rostislavich, Davyd and Oleg Svyatoslavich. Famous words were sounded: “Why are we destroying the Russian land, arranging feuds among themselves?” And Polovtsy our land are rozno and glad that between us there are wars. From now on, we will unite with one heart and observe the Russian land, and each will have his own patronage. ” Svyatopolk departed the patrimony of Izyaslav - Kiev and Turov land, Vladimir - Pereyaslavl, the border line to Kursk, Svyatoslavichi divided the father’s inheritance - Davydov got Chernigov, Oleg - Novgorod-Seversky, Yaroslav - Murom. Volyn land remained behind Davyd Igorevich, Przemysl and Terebovl behind Voladar and Vasilko Rostislavich.

Transitions from one heights to another were canceled. True, it was believed that this would not cause the collapse of a single power. Kiev was recognized as a senior city, the throne of the Grand Duke passed by seniority, the younger princes were to obey the great sovereign. And on that they kissed the cross: “If from now on anyone who goes to anyone, we will all be against the cross and honest. They said it all: Let the cross be fair against him, and all the land is Russian. ” Thus, the Lyubech congress secured the already emerging position. Cracks, which split the empire of Rurikovich, were legalized. The breakup continued.

Troubles and civil strife did not stop either. Before the princes had time to take an oath, they immediately violated it. All Russia shook the news of the unheard of atrocities. The Volyn prince Davyd Igorevich envied the Terebovl prince Vasilko, who made a large and rich principality with his sword. And Svyatopolk of Kiev was dissatisfied with the decision of the congress, believed that he was cheated. After all, Kiev did not become his hereditary inheritance; he could only transfer the Turovo-Pinsk principality to his sons. Davyd Igorevich on an old friendship offered him a deal. Eliminate Vasilka, transfer Terebovl to him, Davyd, and he will support the Grand Duke in the struggle for Kiev. As a result, Vasilka was called on to visit the Grand Duke. The well-wishers told the warrior prince of the plot, but he didn’t believe: “How can they grab me? After all, they just kissed the cross and said: if someone comes on anyone, then there will be a cross and we will all. ” And in Kiev, Vasilka was captured and blinded. Then they were taken to Vladimir-Volynsky.

"The wealth of Dazh-God’s grandsons perished, in the princely feuds the human age was shortened"

F. A. Bruni. Blinding Vasilka Terebovlskogo

Cold-blooded and despicable violence was disgusting. The princes fought with each other, it was commonplace, a kind of “God's judgment” when the fate of the prince and his lands was decided in battle. Vladimir Monomakh expressed a common will: "It did not happen on the Russian land, either with our grandfathers or with our fathers of such evil." He sent Davyd and Oleg Svyatoslavich to his former enemies: “... yes, we will repair the evil that happened in the Russian land and among us brothers, because a knife has been thrown at us. And if we do not fix this, then the greater evil will arise among us, and the brother’s brother will begin to slaughter, and the Russian land will perish, and our Polovtsian enemies will come and take the Russian land. ” Svyatoslavich responded and led their squads to Vladimir.

The princes in the spring of 1098 gathered near Gorodets and sent ambassadors to Svyatopolk with the words: “Why did you do this evil in the Russian land and threw the knife into us? Why did he blind his brother? If you had any accusation against him, you would convict him in front of us, and, having proved his guilt, then you would have done so to him. ” Not accepting Svyatopolk’s excuse (he blamed Davyd Igorevich, supposedly, he slandered Vasilka and blinded), the next morning the brothers crossed the Dnieper and moved on to Kiev. Svyatopolk wanted to flee the city, but the Kievans did not let him do it. The bloodshed was avoided through the mediation of the mother of Vladimir Monomakh and the Metropolitan. New Kiev Metropolitan Greek Nikolai himself accused the princes, "tormenting Russia" with a new quarrel. Such pressure embarrassed the princes, and they agreed that they would believe Svyatopolk. And Svyatopolk undertook to punish Davyd before his brothers.

This resulted in a new internecine war in the west of Russia. Davyd tried to seize Terebovlya. Davyd went to war with Brother Vasilka, Volodar Peremyshlsky. He achieved the liberation of his brother, and then the two of them began to attack the enemy. Davyd also dodged, trying to shift the blame on the Grand Duke. He said that he acted on the orders of Svyatopolk. And from Kiev, the troops of Svyatopolk marched on him. Davyd fled to Poland. Svyatopolk took Vladimir-Volynsky, he set there to reign his son Mstislav. But it seemed to him not enough and he tried to take possession of the lands of the Rostislavites (Terebovl and Przemysl), but without success. Blind Vasilko defeated the army of Svyatopolk on the Hornfield.

However, Svyatopolk did not calm down on this. He sent his son Yaroslav to the Hungarian king Koloman for help. He agreed, he decided to seize the Russian Carpathian region for himself. The Hungarian army broke into Russia. Volodar and Vasilka were laid over in Przemysl. But then Davyd Igorevich returned from Poland and united with the former enemies - Rostislavich, against the common enemy - Svyatopolk and his sons. In the 1099 year, Davyd Igorevich called for help from the Polovtsian Khan Bonyak and with his support, defeated his opponents in the battle of Vagra, many Hungarians drowned in Vagra and Sana. Davyd fought off Vladimir and Lutsk. Rostislavich defended their possessions in the Carpathian region.

The struggle for Volyn continued. It killed the son of Svyatopolk Mstislav. Vladimir Monomakh trying to put an end to this slaughter, convened a new princely congress. The congress in Uvetici was held in August 1100 of the year. Svyatopolk, Vladimir Monomakh, Davyd and Oleg Svyatoslavichi made peace among themselves. For reconciliation, the dark deeds of the Grand Duke Svyatopolk were bypassed. The trial was held only on Davyd Igorevich, violating the truce, established in Lyubech. Davyd was deprived of the Vladimir-Volyn principality, receiving in return the townships Buzhsky Ostrog, Duben, Chartoryysk, and after both Dorogobuzh and 400 hryvnia of silver. Vladimir-Volynsky went to Yaroslav Svyatopolchich.

True, Svyatopolk was not enough. Volodar and Vasilko did not come to the congress, and the grand duke insisted that the blind could not rule their area. They sent ambassadors to Volodar with the words: “Take your Cornflower's brother to you, and there will be one parish for you - Przemysl. And if you like it, then sit there both, but if not, then release Cornflower here, we will feed him here. And give our lackeys and smerds. ” The brothers "did not listen to this" and did not give Terebovl. Svyatopolk wanted to fight with them, but Vladimir Monomakh refused to get into another quarrel. Svyatoslavichi also did not want to fight. Svyatopolk did not dare to start a new war alone.


S.V. Ivanov. Congress of princes in Uvetichi

Thus, the reconciliation of the princes stopped the war on the right bank of the Dnieper and allowed them in the following years to organize large-scale campaigns against the Polovtsy. As a result, Vladimir Monomakh was able to inflict a military defeat on the Polovtsy, and having become Grand Prince in 1113, he somewhat restored social justice - the “Charter of Vladimir Monomakh” (limited the claims of the usurers) and for some time managed to maintain the unity of Russia with the help of a thunderstorm (power priority) and authority. .

Thus, elite ambitions, pride and stupidity of princes, narrow corporate interests of the boyars, merchants and usurers, as well as the introduction of someone else's conceptual power and ideology (Byzantine version of Christianity), while simultaneously degrading the ancient paganism, Vedic religion of the Rus, united Russia. Social justice was destroyed, the elite clans and groups of princes, boyars and churchmen, who basically solved not national tasks, but their own, personal and narrow corporate, separated themselves from the people. Although initially the boyars and princes were singled out to protect the interests of the people. Certain princes who vigilized common interests, such as Vladimir Monomakh, who with his military strength and will for some time kept the final disintegration of the Russian state, could not reverse the general trend. A period of feudal disintegration, a weakening of the defenses of Russia, began, which ultimately led to the loss of the South and West Russian lands.

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  1. Cartalon
    Cartalon 26 October 2017 06: 30 New
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    And before Samsonov was for Orthodox communism, now he suddenly became a pagan. How many times denied the slander against Oleg Svyatoslavich and again she is in its original form.
    1. mar4047083
      mar4047083 26 October 2017 08: 45 New
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      This, you, in vain. For "paganism" with elements of communism, he was already. And for the pagan monarchy was. He was noted as a supporter of the Orthodox monarchy. Even the communist-Orthodox-Vedic monarchy was. The main thing is the freemasons. They are always unchanged, though under different "guises." Now his friends Benjamin and Karen will come and they will explain everything to you. One about the Vedas, the other about the Masons.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 26 October 2017 10: 14 New
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        When there is nothing to say on the substance of the proposed topic, some begin to discuss the author. It does not paint you.
        1. venaya
          venaya 26 October 2017 11: 03 New
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          Quote: Boris55
          When there is nothing to say on the substance of the proposed topic, some begin to discuss the author.

          Here the classic an example of the transition to personality!. The culture of these truly “people” when communicating is not just lacking, but it seems that there has never been, by definition, one unjustified hatred of everything that is not your own, and nothing else is observed here. I think that it is necessary to put such "posts" on the mind of the moderators, otherwise they have dirtied their site hatredthere is no passage.
          1. Cartalon
            Cartalon 26 October 2017 11: 53 New
            +3
            The whole essence of the topic is the personality of the author for the article is simply a retelling of the annals with author's comments.
          2. Hantengri
            Hantengri 26 October 2017 22: 14 New
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            Quote: venaya
            A classic example of the transition to personality is clearly manifested here !. The culture of these truly “people” when communicating is not just lacking, but it seems that there has never been, by definition, one unjustified hatred of everything that is not your own, and nothing else is observed here. I think it’s necessary to put such “posts” in the face of moderators, otherwise they polluted the site with their hatred, there is no passage.

            Hatred for what? To the Brownian movement of “thoughts” in Samsonov’s head? Or in yours? How can IT be hated ?! It is polite to hint to a person that the specific mass of cockroaches in his head has long exceeded the total mass of his brain, is this, in your opinion, called hate? In my opinion, this is the highest manifestation of mercy!
        2. Proxima
          Proxima 26 October 2017 11: 46 New
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          Quote: Boris55
          When there is nothing to say on the merits of the proposed topic ...

          Here is the "creature" of the topic:
          "Thus, the elite ambitions, pride and stupidity of the princes, the narrow corporate interests of the boyars, merchants and usurers, as well as the introduction of alien conceptual power and ideology (the Byzantine version of Christianity) while degrading the ancient paganism, the Vedic faith of the Rus, destroyed a united Russia." (Author: Samsonov Alexander)
          I then thought it a sinful thing that these are elementary historical processes that were also in France, England, etc. - Early feudal single state - feudal fragmentation - late feudal centralized state ...
          So that’s not how they taught us in Soviet secondary schools and institutes. Here it is .. request
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 26 October 2017 12: 45 New
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            Quote: Proxima
            I then, thought it a sinful thing, that these are elementary historical processes,

            And this very “historical process” is what? Does everything happen by itself, like a stupa with Baba Yaga or does everything happen in the best way, in accordance with the real morality of all participants in the process? If the latter, then each process has its own name and surname.
            1. Luga
              Luga 26 October 2017 20: 25 New
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              Quote: Boris55
              And this very “historical process” is what?

              Marx believes that the historical process is determined by the class struggle for the distribution of material wealth, the main engine of this process is the development of the means of production, and the role of the individual in history is minimal. It seems to me that he, in general, is right, except that I would single out more places in history, but this is a matter of taste.
              1. Nulgorod
                Nulgorod 23 December 2017 02: 04 New
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                Was Caesar's role minimal in the history of Rome?
            2. kalibr
              kalibr 27 October 2017 11: 27 New
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              Boris55 Call the inventor of the wheel!
          2. venaya
            venaya 26 October 2017 13: 49 New
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            Quote: Proxima
            So that’s not how they taught us in Soviet secondary schools and institutes. Here it is ..

            I'll tell you what for today "not so taught to us in ... schools and institutes"this is an amazing object from all sides. Yes, it has always been like that since it appeared. Indeed, in essence," History "is nothing more than a veiled teaching of the" Law of God ", just in a slightly different wrapper (wrapper). Than the sooner people realize this, the sooner we will be able to get rid of organized by strangers, for example, wars, and many other extremely useful things can be achieved.
            1. Hantengri
              Hantengri 26 October 2017 22: 39 New
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              Quote: venaya
              Indeed, in essence, "History" is nothing more than a veiled teaching of the "Law of God," just in a slightly different wrapper (candy wrapper).

              Oh how! With trump cards I went! laughing Can you prove it? Just let’s do without this, your usual, empty-speculative blah blah blah blah, and specifically, on points 1), 2), 3) ... with facts, links to sources, etc. Have you agreed? (I laugh in advance, looking forward.) lol
              1. Nulgorod
                Nulgorod 23 December 2017 02: 41 New
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                "Ignorance of history leads to its repetition." Experience is needed in order to consolidate success and avoid mistakes. History is the experience of mankind. God's law - these are the rules, following which we will achieve paradise (prosperity). Therefore, knowledge and understanding of history helps to understand God's law. There is no need to "prove" anything, you just need to be aware of it. Logics laughing
            2. Velizariy
              Velizariy 27 October 2017 12: 01 New
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              Quote: venaya
              essentially, “History” is nothing more than a veiled teaching of the “Law of God”

              Especially in the 60s in the USSR)))
        3. kalibr
          kalibr 26 October 2017 12: 24 New
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          Boris55 I will remind you this post of yours!
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 26 October 2017 12: 42 New
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            Quote: kalibr
            Boris55 I will remind you this post of yours!

            And sometimes it brings me winked
      2. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 27 October 2017 07: 31 New
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        Now his friends Benjamin and Karen will come and they will explain everything to you. One about the Vedas, the other about the Masons.
        The haplogroups forgot to pound. Without haplogroups, the cocktail will be incomplete, which means that the larva in the brain will be delayed frail. The Vedas and haplogroups are inseparable.
        wassat
    2. andrew42
      andrew42 30 October 2017 12: 44 New
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      As for the "paganism" supposedly creeping out of the article, these are your hallucinations. But since there is a desire to raise this issue, then if you please, as the saying goes, "I have them." Samsonov’s article did not say this directly, but the “oil painting” was given in all its glory. It was after the baptism of Rus that princes and elder judges (the "prince" - a book man, scholar, knowledgeable, capable and worthy of repairing the court) turned into Christianized usurpers, fenced off by squads, imposed by usurers and boyars - "businessmen" (again not the first to battle ", alas), who recorded the majority of free farmers in the" smerds "at will. The Christianization of Russia, whatever one may say, was the bridge that made usury in the heart of the Russian state, more precisely, in all the powers, of which it consisted at different times and in different forms. There was no other scenario anywhere — it was the same everywhere — starting with Clovis and the Caroling, and ending with Great Poland.
  2. kalibr
    kalibr 26 October 2017 07: 54 New
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    And here's what interests me. Well, clearly, Khrushchev was bought, someone else was bought there, Gorbachev was also bought, and they became "bad." But who "bought" all of our princes, what did they do? England did not exist, the USA did not exist, the Vatican was not as old as Byzantium, and even through forests and swamps it was impossible to reach Russia ... Yes, and with what to seduce? But the picture is exactly the same, right? Why's that? All completely betray each other.
    1. venaya
      venaya 26 October 2017 09: 49 New
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      Quote: kalibr
      But who is everyone these our princes "bought" ..

      What time! Already these princes were yours. Well, perhaps, perhaps. I immediately recall wars such as the "War of the Scarlet and White Rose", and similar ones. Are these your tricks too? By the way, all such wars in the end naturally ended in the seizure of power by foreigners of those countries where they were held. Let me remind you: today, at the head of the British crown are representatives of non-English origin (dynasty), a native of a very ancient Russian city with an amazing Russian-language name Х(D) anoVer, although it is unlikely that they are representatives of any Russian kind. That's what happens in life.
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 26 October 2017 12: 14 New
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        In my old age, my eyesight is bad, and you somehow weirdly wrote the name of the city: Hueber, Gandoner, didn’t understand? And what do you dislike about “our” princes? They are Old Russian, that is, all of our ancestors. And I understand, are you hinting at a surname? Well, it’s stupid, I’ve changed it three times in my life, change my last name, that it’s worth sacking.
        1. venaya
          venaya 26 October 2017 13: 33 New
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          Quote: kalibr
          In my old age, my eyesight is bad, and you somehow weirdly wrote the name of the city: Hueber, Gandoner, didn’t understand?

          If you use the defective Latin alphabet, then today this city is called: "Hanover"that in translation into our normal letters looks like:"Hanover"repeat Khan-about-Ver, something like a city that took verof Khan. What is not clear here? Unfortunately, some foreign "wise men" were wise here too, and were taught to spell the quite ancient Russian city today as "Hanover" - and it turned out that the city accepted loyalty to a certain Hans, which I think is fundamentally wrong.
          1. tomket
            tomket 26 October 2017 14: 22 New
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            Quote: venaya
            "Hanover", which is translated into our normal letters, looks like: "Hanover," I repeat Han-o-Ver, something like a city that has accepted allegiance to the khan.

            Why not GovnoVer?)))) Belief in shit))))))
            1. venaya
              venaya 26 October 2017 15: 16 New
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              Quote: tomket
              why not shit?

              Because the khans ruled the world, follow the “hands”: another city “Khan-burg” - the hill (elevation above the sea) of the khan. - Not noticeable? And as they write now: “Hamburg” - is that, Gama mound? In inferior Latin it looks like: "Hamburg" - that is, the mound is just Hama. Unclear? I explain: the terms "ham" and "khan" have the same meaning in different dialects and languages, as a rule, the full coincidence of their meanings. I hope that at least I managed to explain to you, people are too lazy to understand all these linguistic-linguistic subtleties.
              1. tomket
                tomket 26 October 2017 16: 28 New
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                Quote: venaya
                Because the khans ruled the world, follow the “hands”: another city “Khan-burg” - the hill (elevation above the sea) of the khan. - Not noticeable?

                Governors still sound more convincing)))))))
              2. Rurikovich
                Rurikovich 26 October 2017 19: 27 New
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                Quote: venaya
                Because the khans ruled the world, follow the “hands”: another city “Khan-burg” - the hill (elevation above the sea) of the khan. - Not noticeable? And as they write now: “Hamburg” - is that, Gama mound? In inferior Latin it looks like: "Hamburg" - that is, the mound is just Hama. Unclear? I explain: the terms "ham" and "khan" have the same meaning in different dialects and languages, as a rule, the full coincidence of their meanings. I hope that at least I managed to explain to you, people are too lazy to understand all these linguistic-linguistic subtleties.

                Chur, what a heresy wassat No way to express alternative arguments! For they are not a priori taken into account, or ridiculed and ignored wink Linguistic features of the names of western (and ours) settlements should not be offered to a wide opinion, because they contradict official history yes repeat
                In the minority we, my friend, are with you, in the minority .... request drinks
                1. Luga
                  Luga 26 October 2017 20: 54 New
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                  Quote: Rurikovich
                  In the minority we, my friend, are with you, in the minority ....

                  No, dear, unfortunately, not in the minority ... there are more and more of you, as many books as there are "alternative" outlooks on history (ranging from "this is not a science at all" to "everything was not so, we were deceived ") more on bookshelves than normal, balanced historical works. Where there, they are boring, they do not buy.
                  And there’s nowhere to go - you’ll start breaking the theories of alternative specialists one by one — they produce new ones like baking pancakes. The annals for them are worthy of faith only in that part where they do not contradict their fabrications, archaeologists hide the most significant finds, which just their fabrications would confirm, in short, continuous conspiracies. Well, if two identical sounds come across in different languages ​​(it’s better, of course, three, but two will work too, in the extreme case we’ll replace one), then write it ready, direct evidence of anything, but you can’t argue against the facts . "One mov."
                  You seem to me a more sensible and adequate person, compared with venaya, it would be a shame to make a mistake. After all, at first I took him for an adult thinking individual. hi
                  1. Rurikovich
                    Rurikovich 26 October 2017 21: 41 New
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                    Quote: Luga
                    And there’s nowhere to go - you’ll start breaking the theories of alternative specialists one by one — they produce new ones like baking pancakes.

                    Nah, before that I’m not no .
                    Indeed, you must admit that the official history is sooooo full of contradictions. Not to notice them and stupidly believe in officialdom is a crime against common sense. And you understand very well that there is no smoke without fire, that the inability to sensibly explain one or another discrepancy will cause a search for sensible answers request And if these suggested answers in a number of cases fit perfectly into logic and common sense, then people will believe it more (at least those who are still inclined to think and compare A and B)
                    There are now a lot of historical materials that give rise to these wars between alternativeists and officialdom. My personal reading tells me that history is a very controversial science, where much is taken for granted (or a lot of relative evidence, which can also be accepted as well as refuted).
                    Take, for example, Fomenko and Nosovsky, who got their teeth on edge. They are mathematicians, and mathematics is a science more precise than (I’m not afraid of the word) unfounded story. They proposed to historians their concept of chronology, which is fundamentally different from officially recognized. Historians have sent. Then they began to look for reinforcements of their arguments in the annals and archives themselves. As a result, it turned out that historians categorically unacceptable request As a result, some prove their case, while others prove their calculations and their conclusions. And only people to judge whom to believe.
                    I was not afraid and now I will say that personally I am not on the side of official history. hi With foam at the mouth and searches for various links I will not prove my case. Because historians always have their own explanation, which is forced to believe. We have already talked about Veliky Novgorod. About the Inca empire, which built megalithic fortresses, I also think it’s not worth talking about. About the fabulous story, how in the Pompeii buried under a layer of ash, water was laid in the 17th century among historians for their explanation. We also talked about Palestine. Too many questions to which, in my opinion, history stupidly cannot give a simple and logical answer, but make us believe in what

                    can do it
                    1. Rurikovich
                      Rurikovich 26 October 2017 21: 46 New
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                      Luga, if we take into account only the adequate ones, which can take a different point of view, if only she would give adequate answers to the questions asked, then we are in a big minority smile
                    2. SMP
                      SMP 27 October 2017 11: 51 New
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                      Rurikovich Yesterday, 21:41
                      can do it


                      I will add two pictures.
                      1. Granite quarry in Egypt.
                      (granite hardness coefficient above iron)


                      In the picture, I highlighted in red straight parallel furrows that remain only after harvesters sawing a stone.



                      I personally took this photo in Sevastopol, the traces of a stone-cutting combine are also highlighted in red, BUT THIS is a limestone that collapses from water and is reinforced with fittings in the form of a mesh.

                      What lar was necessary to grind a wall in a quarry three or five thousand years ago? For when breaking off a perfectly flat wall does not work.
                  2. Velizariy
                    Velizariy 27 October 2017 12: 21 New
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                    Quote: Luga
                    at first he was mistaken for an adult thinking individual

                    I read posts about gavnoverov .. ugh gondo .. how there Vyacheslav Olegovich still called hu ... faith, well, generally laughed, I know you can’t do wrong, I’m sick, I couldn’t help but burst out laughing when it came to the hanburg ... I don’t even know how to comment ...))))
                    Speaking of the sick, I read their nonsense, all these law-making publications by this Samsonov historian give the impression that the most active promoters of the hyper-Slovenians are quite normal and they know their business on the site. The way they circumvent and no longer touch upon "uncomfortable questions", how the topics are translated, is noticeable, but for those whom they are oriented to and for whom they try, they cannot notice.
                    Consider their nonsense on the other hand, not from the side of history, but from the side of dissemination of information.
                    The opinion of the "PR man" V.O. Shpakovsky about this, even a pro, maybe he will tell you something or he, too, looks at this nonsense from a historical prism, I think it’s unlikely.
                    I understand that our arguments for exposing this lie and nonsense from the point of view of history are useful, maybe someone will read it, but I think their target audience does not read it.
                    1. kalibr
                      kalibr 27 October 2017 18: 36 New
                      +1
                      Interesting you reason! It’s worth considering!
                    2. Luga
                      Luga 28 October 2017 15: 48 New
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                      Quote: Velizariy
                      Consider their nonsense on the other hand, not from the side of history, but from the side of dissemination of information.

                      You're right. It is from this perspective that I try to watch when I think whether to enter into another controversy on this resource. Well and still giggle, of course. smile
                      But seriously, arguing with “dolboslavy” for me almost always means combining business with pleasure. It’s nice because they are funny, useful because they are harmful. All these alternative stories, if they are not opposed, will lead us to the state of present-day Ukraine with its space ukrams, Zaporizhzhya submarines, and the like nonsense. I would not want to.
                      To confront them really means to write articles, maintain relevant blogs, as, for example, Dmitry Puchkov or Anatoly Shariy does, but for this I still do not find the strength, ability or time for this. Perhaps someday I will reach this level, but not today and not tomorrow. In the meantime, I write for my pleasure, good, this is a war of those that you can not go to periodically. smile
              3. Hantengri
                Hantengri 26 October 2017 22: 53 New
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                Quote: venaya
                I explain: the terms "ham" and "khan" have the same meaning in different dialects and languages, as a rule, the full coincidence of their meanings.

                And where to send you, "creative" wassat Are you our philOluh? And I’ll send you, for starters, to here: https://elementy.ru/nauchno-populyarnaya_bibliote
                ka / 430720 / O_professionalnoy_i_lyubitelskoy_lingvi
                stike
                And here: http://hbar.phys.msu.ru/gorm/fomenko/zaliznk.htm
                Suddenly, educational program will work ?! What, by the way, I strongly doubt.
          2. alatanas
            alatanas 20 February 2018 14: 39 New
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            Nonsense! All Germans came from the village Hermann near Sofia (Bulgaria) repeat lol laughing
    2. alebor
      alebor 26 October 2017 10: 13 New
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      Hence the logical conclusion: the history of mankind is a history of betrayal. Betrayal is the engine of history. There are no objective historical processes; there is a history of betrayals. There would be no betrayal, people would remain humanoid apes sitting on the trees. wassat
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 26 October 2017 10: 45 New
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        Quote: alebor
        Betrayal is the engine of history.

        Does it need to be moved? laughing

        Quote: alebor
        There would be no betrayal, people would still remain anthropoid apes

        Name a couple of traitors who made humanity better. laughing
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 26 October 2017 12: 16 New
          +1
          Ieyasu Tokugawa - 264 of the year without wars, and the second ... also the Japanese Toyotomi Hideyoshi ... betrayed all his masters in turn, and also robbed the first. But ... laid the foundation for the welfare of the country.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 26 October 2017 13: 00 New
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            Quote: kalibr
            Toyotomi Hideyoshi

            Wikipedia is certainly that little thing, but it is the most affordable.
            Nothing is said about betrayal, solely for his mind.
            ... Among the exploits that made the former peasant son popular among soldiers, they called the forced ("overnight") construction of the Sunomata Castle (1566), the rear cover at the battle of Kanagasaki (1570), the "water storm" of Takamatsu Castle (1582) ) In the 1583 year, after the death of Oda Nobunaga in the Honnouji temple at the hands of the rebel Aketi Mitsuhide, Hideyoshi actually usurped the full power of his late master ....
            About welfare:
            Hideyoshi compiled a pan-Japanese land cadastre, which became the basis for taxing the population over the next three centuries, and also seized all weapons available to peasants and philistines, dividing Japanese society into administrators from among military personnel and civil subordinates ...
            And here I approve:
            ... His rule was marked by the prohibition of Christianity in Japan ...
            1. kalibr
              kalibr 27 October 2017 11: 35 New
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              You better read my book about samurai "Samurai. The first complete encyclopedia." There is about it ...
        2. Weyland
          Weyland 27 October 2017 01: 52 New
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          Hammurabi, I remember, consistently betrayed all his allies. Almost the whole Middle East enjoyed its laws neither more nor less - 12 centuries!
    3. Boris55
      Boris55 26 October 2017 10: 22 New
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      Quote: kalibr
      But who "bought" all of our princes, what did they do?

      Yes, all the same as Egypt robbed and destroyed Persia and reached Kiev. There is a desire to know how - start from Egypt.
      Quote: kalibr
      Well, clearly, Khrushchev was bought, someone else was bought there, Gorbachev was also bought, and they became "bad."

      They were not bought - they were brought up. They are not born bad, they become bad.
      Quote: kalibr
      ... and through forests and swamps it was impossible to get to Russia ...

      To Novgorod - it’s understandable, but to Kiev, where would the Russian land come from? laughing
  3. Boris55
    Boris55 26 October 2017 10: 35 New
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    Quote: Samsonov Alexander
    Thus, the elite ambitions, pride and stupidity of the princes, the narrow corporate interests of the boyars, merchants and usurers, as well as the introduction of someone else's conceptual power and ideology (the Byzantine version of Christianity) while degrading the ancient paganism, the Vedic faith of the Rus, destroyed a united Russia.

    I agree to all 100%. Andrew the First-Called, who was not called by anyone, pinned himself in Russia in the first century with his teachings and passed from the Black Sea to the White. Then Russia did not accept it - they crucified him on a "tolerant" cross for his perversions. It didn’t work in the forehead, they went around - with the decomposition of the elite and usurpation of power.
  4. grandson of Perun
    grandson of Perun 26 October 2017 10: 43 New
    +4
    Quote: kalibr
    And here's what interests me. Well, clearly, Khrushchev was bought, someone else was bought there, Gorbachev was also bought and they became "bad" ..... Why would this be? All completely betray each other.

    The article about this says:
    Thus, the elite ambitions, the pride and stupidity of the princes, the narrow corporate interests of the boyars, merchants and usurers, as well as the introduction of alien conceptual power and ideology (Byzantine version of Christianity) at simultaneous degradation of ancient paganism, the Vedic faith of the Rus, destroyed a united Russia. Social justice was destroyed, elite clans and groups of princes, boyars and churchmen were separated from the people, who basically did not solve national tasks, but their own, personal and narrowly corporate ones.

    Refusal to live according to the Law and worship of alien gods and the golden calf is a traditional way of corrupting the elites in the 11th century, in the 20th ...
    1. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 26 October 2017 11: 10 New
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      Nothing has changed since then.
  5. kalibr
    kalibr 26 October 2017 12: 17 New
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    Quote: Boris55
    They were not bought - they were brought up.

    Clear. Komsomol and the Communist Party.
  6. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 26 October 2017 14: 09 New
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    The new Grand Duke Svyatopolk Izyaslavich went in Kiev along the path of his father and quickly with his entourage created the prerequisites for a new uprising. His associates tried to reward themselves by abusing power. The Jewish quarter of Kiev (the center of usury) flourished even more magnificently than under Prince Izyaslav. The Jews were under the special patronage of the Grand Duke, “they took all the crafts from the Christians and under Svyatopolk had great freedom and power, through which many merchants and artisans went bankrupt” (V. N. Tatishchev. Russian History. M., 1962-1963).

    Here the dog is buried. Through this "Economy" all empires fell ... Egypt, Greeks, Carthage, Rome .... etc. The heirs of these forces take on our current leadership and bring confusion to our minds. Even the star-hungry are not immune from this. The beginning was laid by a certain Set in the distant past. Who cares, delve into the internet.
  7. SMP
    SMP 26 October 2017 16: 00 New
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    After all, they just kissed the cross and said: if anyone goes to whom, then that will be the cross and we all will. ” And in Kiev, Vasilka was seized and blinded. Then they were taken to Vladimir-Volynsky.


    These are the Byzantine receptions, only they could mock so.

    http://roii.ru/dialogue/55/roii-dialogue-55_19.pd
    f

    HISTORICAL NOTES
    A.M. FILIPCHUK BYZANTINE APPROACHES OF THE XI CENTURY TO THE PROBLEM OF FILMS: BLINDING AND KILLING.
    The article explores the features of Byzantine approaches to the problem of prisoners. The focus is on the texts of Byzantine historians John Skilica and Anna Comnenus. The author concludes that the choice of blinding as a form of punishment for prisoners is caused by the understanding of the war with Christians as a “civil war”
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 27 October 2017 11: 36 New
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      Clear! We adopted all the "best" from there.
  8. ukoft
    ukoft 28 October 2017 11: 57 New
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    Well, in general, the adoption of Christianity is a big step forward for the development of the state. the thinking and worldview of monotheism formed a new human TP. this was understood by both the Germans who came to the Roman Empire and other tribal leaders.
    it was thanks to Christianity with a more humane worldview and thinking that Kievan Rus was formed. pagan thinking cannot form a feudal society.
    read about "axial time".
    what is a pagan? blood for blood. mythology based worldview. human life means nothing. their morality was completely different.
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 31 October 2017 11: 10 New
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      Yes Yes. Heard. "Baptize, and you will be in Paradise with the first," proclaimed the Byzantine priests to Vladimir the "saint" - fratricide. Any crimes are penalized, quickly, efficiently, inexpensively. Nonsense about the undeniable advantage of "monotheism" for can only be carried by one who does not understand that any medal has two sides (and there is also an edge). To establish the power of any usurper, monotheism is the most! Unfortunately, the root problem remains: when changing / replacing a strong leader who, with "iron and blood", riveted at the moment various (albeit complementary) tribes and strata into the Hard State - then, as a rule, everything goes to pieces, and as a rule with the name of "new God "is being cut in civil strife," infidels "are being cut - Europeans are" godless Hagarians ", Islamists are" despicable giaurs ", crusaders are" schismatics ", Catholics are Huguenots, and so non-stop. This is the first. Second: discussing about “monotheism”, for a start, we would have bothered to understand at least an iota in the Vedic concept. For starters, there God is "one and diverse," this is not a bunch of goblin, bannik, mavok, etc. Thirdly, it is precisely in the Vedic tradition that God is designated as the "triune" that Christianity only licked and was very unfortunate. Fourth: in the Vedic conception, the main incentive was Knowledge / Knowledge (“knows the Gods”), and in the “monotheistic” religions - Blind Faith. And it doesn’t matter if the apple falls according to the 2nd law of Isaac Newton, or whether it is Mother Earth Cheese-Earth that pulls it in a figurative presentation. Well and fifthly, Christians broke so many copies in the division of their god into components, - the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit - that at the end they became entangled in the "consubstantial" / "accomplices" of the son of the Father, quarreled and abandoned as they were, who had screamed at the cathedral he is right. Any “monotheism” sooner or later leads to Moloch, or to “igilovsky-style allah.” The one (only) god to replace it with the antipode - like two fingers on asphalt.