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American General proposes to move the war into space

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The war in its classic form, about which we talk and write a lot, does not cause enthusiasm in most American military. Not because the United States does not have the opportunity to win such a war. On the contrary, the Americans are confident that the enemy chances of winning are minimal.




But the US military is well aware of their own shortcomings and shortcomings of their own army. One of these shortcomings for many decades has been respect for the technical equipment of the army. The American soldier must always have the best of everything. The rifle, which itself hits the enemy. Tank, which is an impregnable fortress. The plane, which is not available for air defense systems and enemy aircraft. The appearance of the enemy weapons or technology comparable to the American, makes the soldier almost inept.

This approach to the army in the United States was not born yesterday. Remember the episode from the famous film "Seventeen Moments of Spring." When Stirlitz talking with the general of the Wehrmacht about the American bombing of Dresden. It was into the mouth of the German General Semenov put a phrase about the destructiveness for Americans of the love of technology. Remember the start of our VKS in Syria. How much dirt was poured on the "rusty Soviet equipment" and the soldiers, "who only know how to drink vodka and dance Russian". And how quickly these conversations stopped. Almost instantly, after the first use of Russian weapons.

The annual MilCom conference organized by AFCEA took place in Baltimore yesterday in the USA (23 October American time). The main topic of the conference was the strengthening of the standoff in the field of cyber weapons. And in particular, the dangers for Americans in connection with the increase in the capabilities of the likely adversary in the confrontation with American communications, detection and targeting systems.

Brigadier General Dennis Krall, one of the leaders of the US Marine Corps, gave a keynote address. What is so concerned about the head C4 and IT-director of marines?

First of all, according to the Americans, today it is no longer possible to guarantee the use of numerous US systems to control the enemy. The airspace of many states is protected so that the operation of such systems is no longer possible. And during the war, as the operation in Syria and Iraq showed, in particular, such systems are simply blocked and destroyed by means of EW.

Once upon a time, Americans created space GPS for the use of precision weapons and guidance systems. The system began to be used for orientation in the terrain. Today, using GPS satellites, you can navigate almost anywhere in the world.

However, system developers are increasingly noticing the failure of satellites. More and more "white spots" appear on the map. This means that the enemy has learned to block the "eyes" of satellites. Now you can no longer rely on GPS data.

In principle, what the general says is well known. The principles of operation of such systems have been studied, and therefore, countermeasures have also been created. Moreover, such systems are created independently of each other in several countries at once. Including in Russia.

What is new proposed? Common phrases and theses hardly interest us.

First of all, Krall proposes to shift the emphasis of the systems. In the American, as in the Russian, army, most systems are created to protect their own "sky". Cover your own country, your own army, your own house, if you want. General Marines says the need to transfer the main effort in the "enemy sky".

Naturally, the question arises about the technical possibilities of such an impact. Indeed, it is problematic to place EW systems on enemy territory. Use the old way of undermining any ammunition that disrupts the systems too. Such munitions affect all systems equally. Including your own.

Now we really come to an interesting solution. More precisely, to the direction of work of experts in such systems offered by Dennis Krall.

"The most dangerous way to spoof is to have a device that seems to work fine, but the information it is meant for you is wrong." "This is the next level of the game, and most of them are done right now through the Russian Federation. But our opponents have found ways to do this through the space segment - very dangerous ..."

As you understand, Americans are proposing to create not systems that block the work of guidance systems, but systems of the next generation. Moles that will climb into the brain of the enemy and monitor the information issued.

Can you imagine the damage that such systems can inflict not only with the use of precision weapons, but even with simple movements of units and subunits? How communication systems will distort intelligence data. How navigators will lead parts from the combat zone ...

The use of such systems will mean a complete loss of control over the troops from the headquarters. Of course, you can return to the good old phone. In theory. And practically? In a modern war? With modern speeds and modern weapons!

So far, judging by the report of General Krall, the Americans have no such systems. The picture is drawn just to present the creation of the New Marine Expedition Information Group (MEF). But work is underway.

But this does not mean the absence of any developments and breakthrough technologies. Agree, Americans knowingly shout about hacker attacks, which they repel daily. Even rejecting some messages as an ordinary misinformation, we can state the success of the Americans in counteracting hackers. As, however, and our successes, too.

Therefore, it seems to me, today it is necessary to consider the answer. Or maybe a question? ..
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  1. zzdimk
    zzdimk 27 October 2017 15: 17 New
    +1
    In the spirit of the American-Maple series: you give us money, and we give you a team of hackers from Marvel to orbit and a spider-man to the border to spin a spiny anti-tank web.
    1. Shura Sailors
      Shura Sailors 28 October 2017 12: 45 New
      +7
      “I don’t know what weapons the third world war will be waged, but the fourth will be waged with stones and sticks” A. Einstein
      Accustomed to comfort (including in war) - satellites, smart weapons, toilet paper ... Without all this, nothing !? It seems that the modern army is an army of operators, but not warriors.
  2. Sergey-svs
    Sergey-svs 27 October 2017 15: 24 New
    +8
    ... Once upon a time, Americans used space GPS to use high-precision weapons and guidance systems. The system began to be used for orientation on the ground ....
    However, system developers increasingly notice satellites malfunctioning .... And this means that the enemy has learned to block the "eyes" of satellites. Now you can no longer fully rely on GPS data.

    laughing That is why in military schools of the Russian Federation, cadets still pass the test on the “Topography” using a map and a compass, and this is not done due to lack of technical equipment! yes
    1. domokl
      27 October 2017 15: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: Sergey-svs
      That is why in the military schools of the Russian Federation, the cadets still pass the test for "Topography" using a map and a compass

      True? Right. I still remember the words of a teacher by my own studies: In northern latitudes, if you sit still for more than a day, then if you look north on your face, the moss begins to grow laughing
      For that, with jokes, jokes taught us to really navigate the terrain without any technical gadgets, including the compass bully
      1. SCHWERIN
        SCHWERIN 28 October 2017 11: 06 New
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        All this orientation on mosses and anthills often does not work .....
        1. Evdokim
          Evdokim 29 October 2017 05: 18 New
          +1
          Quote: SCHWERIN
          All this orientation on mosses and anthills often does not work ....

          It probably doesn’t work for you, but in the 6th grade, I was engaged in orienteering for 2 weeks, a map and a compass, and that’s all. Still grateful, believe me there is something. hi
          1. SCHWERIN
            SCHWERIN 29 October 2017 20: 20 New
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            Glad for you that did not get lost ....
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 28 October 2017 10: 38 New
      +3
      Quote: Sergey-svs
      ... Once upon a time, Americans used space GPS to use high-precision weapons and guidance systems. The system began to be used for orientation on the ground ....
      However, system developers increasingly notice satellites malfunctioning .... And this means that the enemy has learned to block the "eyes" of satellites. Now you can no longer fully rely on GPS data.

      laughing That is why in military schools of the Russian Federation, cadets still pass the test on the “Topography” using a map and a compass, and this is not done due to lack of technical equipment! yes

      And it is right. A friend of mine with a navigator went into the taiga, then they searched for him for three days. The batteries are low. Now, hanging around the forest with spare batteries and with an old, good compass in a backpack.
  3. zzdimk
    zzdimk 27 October 2017 16: 13 New
    +1
    Ambition and stupidity. How not to remember François Rabelais: "- One can imagine what a swell rises when these two fish splash on one another! - said brother Jean."
  4. models
    models 27 October 2017 16: 43 New
    +1
    One of these shortcomings for many decades is respect for the technical equipment of the army.
    And is respect for the provision of food and ammunition also a drawback?
    A rifle that itself hits the enemy. The tank, which is an impregnable fortress.
    In the morning there were the usual M4 with the Abrams. The former remarkably smear, the latter - make their way.
    A plane that is beyond the reach of air defense systems and enemy aircraft.
    The US Air Force does not know that they have such airplanes and are not in a hurry to disband the “wild weasels”.
    The appearance of weapons or equipment comparable to American ones in the enemy makes the soldier almost incapable.
    See above. Fight somehow. By number and skill.

    And in general, what place are these fabrications for space wars?

    However, system developers are increasingly noticing satellite failures. More and more “white spots” appear on the map.
    And users mean live in happy ignorance?
    Now you can no longer fully rely on GPS data.
    No one ever relied on them at all, but they developed the ANN and made topographic maps with radar from orbit.
    "The most dangerous way of spoofing is to have a device that seems to be working fine, but the information that it is designed for you is wrong."
    For military channels, positioning is impossible because the signal is encoded, and the key changes faster than it can be matched.
  5. askme
    askme 27 October 2017 17: 18 New
    0
    Quantum cryptography, quantum communication - all this makes any trolling attempts described in the article impossible. Even in theory ...
  6. cedar
    cedar 27 October 2017 18: 49 New
    +4
    The American army is infected with homosexuality, which affects the whole of society. Debauchery and inevitable corruption have not yet made anyone spiritually strong. And as a result - everything that we see and read about the American army in recent years, including - "The appearance of the enemy weapons or equipment comparable to the American, makes the soldier almost uncompetent."
    Neither God nor Cosmos will help them.
    1. CAT BAIYUN
      CAT BAIYUN 28 October 2017 21: 15 New
      +5
      Neither God nor Cosmos will help them.

      Gold words. I support! good
  7. Standard
    Standard 27 October 2017 19: 25 New
    +1
    And where is the transfer of war into space?

    It seems that there was an agreement on such a prohibition.
    1. domokl
      28 October 2017 06: 38 New
      +1
      The contract was. But about the non-placement of weapons in space. I will not write about the contractual capacity of the United States, but. We are talking about systems that are not formally fit the definition of weapons. These are dual purpose systems. Glonass works, but at the right time begins to give false information. Something like this.
  8. zxc15682
    zxc15682 27 October 2017 20: 13 New
    +1
    A car of nails will remove this problem.
    1. Cannonball
      Cannonball 28 October 2017 10: 13 New
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      A wagon of nails launched into orbit.
      1. Sharansky
        Sharansky 28 October 2017 12: 56 New
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        old bike, on the level that Kalash breaks the rail
        1. Cannonball
          Cannonball 28 October 2017 13: 01 New
          +1
          The spacecraft will have enough of a nail rushing in orbit. A hundred nails guaranteed to put him out of action. And no laser lasers needed.
          1. Sharansky
            Sharansky 28 October 2017 13: 11 New
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            So count how many thousand tons of nails will be required to close at least one single orbit of a GPS satellite, 20000 km high. And I will remind them of 24 orbits.
            To begin with, calculate what density of the flux of nails is needed to guarantee that even at least one gets into a very small spacecraft, and not just get, but get with a sufficient kinetic energy of the nail and in a critically vulnerable place. Let me remind you that on such devices all nodes have multiple redundancy.
            1. Cannonball
              Cannonball 28 October 2017 18: 40 New
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              In the USSR there was a program of IP - satellite fighters.
              The satellite was a relatively simple spacecraft with a shape close to the sphere and weighing about 1400 kilograms. It consisted of two functional compartments: the main compartment, equipped with a control and guidance system for the target (according to some reports, including optical systems), as well as carrying about 300 kilograms of explosives, and the engine compartment. The casing of the apparatus was made in such a way that after the explosion, it disintegrated into a large number of fragments scattering at high speed. The radius of the guaranteed defeat was estimated at 1 kilometer. Moreover, in the direction of travel of the satellite, the target was hit at a distance of up to 2 kilometers, and in the opposite direction - no more than 400 meters. Since the expansion of the fragments was unpredictable, the target located at a much greater distance could also be hit.
              24 IP and GPS satellites like a cow tongue licks.
              1. Sharansky
                Sharansky 28 October 2017 19: 07 New
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                Yeah, smoothly from the carriage of nails jumped on ISy. I bet that you will not even be able to name the weight of such a carriage with nails.
                Quote: Cannonball
                24 IP and GPS satellites like a cow tongue licks.

                Here I am about that. You just need to explode 300 kilograms of explosives with striking elements at a distance of no more than a few hundred meters from the target, and you are talking about a carriage of nails over the whole space.
                In fact, this translates into 24 successful launch of a Proton missile, just. Russia in its best years could launch them no more than a dozen a year.
                Quote: Cannonball
                With a successful hit, a single nail is enough.

                Yes, here we just need to solve the problem of how to very accurately approach the satellite at a distance of a nail shot and well shoot them at a critical element of the target, I already talked about this. Another question arises, why exactly with a nail to shoot, but you yourself did not try to think?
                So stop already carrying nonsense about the carriage of nails in orbit.
                1. Cannonball
                  Cannonball 28 October 2017 19: 18 New
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                  A wagon is 60 tons of nails, enough for a couple of hundred satellites. This is the first.
                  Secondly, "Protons" are not used for IS launches. A lighter launch vehicle is sufficient for this.
                  Thirdly, it’s a matter of technology to bring the PN to a distance of 1 km from the target. Even easier than bringing a spaceship to an orbital station.
                  Fourth, nails are the same striking element as any fragment of a shell or bomb.
                  Fifth, the rate of expansion of nails after blasting is more than enough to break through the spacecraft body and damage its filling.
                  Fifth, because of your own incompetence in this matter, you are nonsense, and you are nonsense too.
                  The drain is counted, better learn the materiel. smile
                  1. Sharansky
                    Sharansky 28 October 2017 19: 39 New
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                    Quote: Cannonball
                    A wagon is 60 tons of nails, enough for a couple of hundred satellites. This is the first.

                    if only the whole pair of hundreds of satellites will be at one point in one orbit.
                    Quote: Cannonball
                    Secondly, "Protons" are not used for IS launches. A lighter launch vehicle is sufficient for this.

                    No, not enough. It will not work to put one and a half tons into an orbit with a height of 20000 km. And by the way, ISs never counted on such orbits. Only on low heights of 100-1350km. This is for you to know.

                    Quote: Cannonball
                    Fifth, the rate of expansion of nails after blasting is more than enough to break through the spacecraft body and damage its filling.

                    let's say one nail pierced the hull and damaged the on-board computer. But there are three of them. Then what?
                    Quote: Cannonball
                    Thirdly, it’s a matter of technology to bring the PN to a distance of 1 km from the target. Even easier than bringing a spaceship to an orbital station.

                    so simple that to intercept even in those low orbits for which it was intended, at least 2-3 turns were required. That is 3-5 hours from the launch of the media. Let me remind you that the destruction of the entire group requires a minimum of 24 launches of heavy missiles. (In fact, more, there are several more reserve devices in the group)
                    Quote: Cannonball
                    Fifth, because of your own incompetence in this matter, you are nonsense, and you are nonsense too.

                    Drain you at the market will sell a bucket. And here you are kind enough to either give arguments, or blow alone behind the plums.
                    1. Cannonball
                      Cannonball 28 October 2017 20: 43 New
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                      And who told you that all the nails from the car should be launched into one orbit? A carriage of nails is enough to equip a couple of hundred IS-s, at least.

                      There are products such as booster blocks (RB). With the help of which the orbit altitude of 20000 km is quite achievable. If necessary, a combat complex consisting of RN + RB + IS can be created in 2-3 years. And here heavy launch vehicles are completely unnecessary. The same "Union" even on the take-off trajectory can send PN.

                      A hit in a spacecraft may well lead not only to penetration, but also to an unoriented rotation of the spacecraft — practically loss of the spacecraft. And if the kinetic energy of the damaging element is large enough, then to its destruction. Remember the experience of World War II, when tanks broke down towers after hitting high-energy shells. And computers are powerless here.

                      The GPS constellation now has 31 KA, some are in reserve. It is enough to disable at least half of them, as the efficiency of the system will fall many times, if not an order of magnitude. Moreover, access to GPS signals will not be ubiquitous and not round-the-clock, that is, users of this system will at times become blind as kittens.

                      In the event of the start of hostilities with the use of the space component, the few hours required to intercept the target are not critical. Even on the Desert Storm, the Americans took more than a month.
                      That is, in the first hours of the war, the main burden will fall on air defense, airborne forces and electronic warfare troops, and then the GPS system will be disabled.
                      1. Sharansky
                        Sharansky 28 October 2017 21: 38 New
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                        Quote: Cannonball
                        And who told you that all the nails from the car should be launched into one orbit? A carriage of nails is enough to equip a couple of hundred IS-s, at least.

                        that is, in fact, nails are not needed at all, you need only simultaneously launch a couple of hundred ISs.
                        Quote: Cannonball
                        It is enough to disable at least half of them, as the efficiency of the system will fall many times, if not an order of magnitude.

                        Of course enough, just nothing. And no carriage with nails will help here.
                        Quote: Cannonball
                        In the event of the start of hostilities with the use of the space component, the few hours required to intercept the target are not critical.

                        In this situation, we are not talking about watches, but about several years. I can directly imagine how Americans sit and watch how Russia methodically launches satellites on the IS fighter for five years once a month and get lost in conjecture where GPS satellites are gradually disappearing. And if anything, then a terrible thing can be done - to ban the purchase of American tomatoes, or to change the profile picture, as the Russian Foreign Ministry recently did.

                        In general, for the level of stories about Kalash with a rail you could not get out. Just a fantasy, no more.
                      2. Boa kaa
                        Boa kaa 28 October 2017 22: 47 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Cannonball
                        In the event of the start of hostilities with the use of the space component, the few hours required to intercept the target are not critical.

                        Minutes will decide a lot, if not all! The continental ICBM flies to the target in about 30 minutes, and the Trident from the Norwegian Sea - from 7 to 15 minutes, depending on the location of the target ... And the correction system needs to specify the BB location before approaching the target ... one astro correction may not be enough for their light "heads" to hit silos and silos ...
                    2. Boa kaa
                      Boa kaa 28 October 2017 22: 36 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Sharansky
                      to destroy the entire group requires a minimum of 24 launch of heavy missiles. (actually more, the group has several more backup devices)
                      Respected! Well, you can’t be so straightforward! A satellite rocket! This, sorry, the last century, the third law of Newton ...
                      Most likely there will be several "shots" of the electromagnetic "gun" - and all sensors will burn nafig, and at the same time brains (BEWM) ...
                      So, amas do not whine in vain about our electronic warfare as a bone in the throat of IT people striped (and not only) ...
                  2. Boa kaa
                    Boa kaa 28 October 2017 22: 25 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Cannonball
                    nails are the same striking element as any fragment of a shell or bomb.

                    Nope, the strength is not the same. Therefore, the striking elements of the warhead missiles were first balls (a product of ball-bearing production), and then tungsten (!) Notice the rods ... Amy, so they are generally scattered with depleted uranium!
              2. models
                models 29 October 2017 15: 28 New
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                Quote: Cannonball
                24 IP and GPS satellites like a cow tongue licks.
                Here are just a working orbit of ISs 10 times lower than that of GPS.
                1. Cannonball
                  Cannonball 29 October 2017 16: 38 New
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                  Who prevents using RBs when starting IPs? With booster blocks, they can clear the geostationary station. If necessary, if the corresponding task is set and the necessary funding is available, the creation of a new generation of IP-s (for medium and high orbits) will not be a big problem. Technically, this is entirely feasible.
                  1. models
                    models 29 October 2017 17: 06 New
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                    What prevents learning materiel and flogging nonsense? Even with the Republic of Belarus, to bring IS-A (1,5 tons) to the geo-transitional one, a minimum of the Union is needed - you cannot deceive the Tsiolkovsky formula. Unions even in the best years started at the rate of 1 unit per day during a three-day emergency and 1 per week in the normal mode. Well, the fact that IS-A has not been in service for a long time is already so, trifles.
            2. Cannonball
              Cannonball 28 October 2017 18: 42 New
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              With a successful hit, a single nail is enough.
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 28 October 2017 22: 09 New
          +3
          Quote: Sharansky
          Kalash punches the rail

          I confirm: it penetrates .... Only the bullet should be armor-piercing, and the cartridge should be reinforced.
          And there are such developments. And they appeared after the incident at Damansky, when the hunfuzy fired armor-piercing shots at the trees behind which our fighters took refuge ... So, not everything that the OBS brought on the tail is a lie ...
          AHA.
          1. Cannonball
            Cannonball 29 October 2017 16: 47 New
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            No, it doesn’t break through. Armor-piercing 7N23 - maximum 5 mm of 2P armor. And the rail profile is at least 16 mm. Even the armor-piercing incendiary rifle cartridge 7,62x54 - up to 7 mm of armor.
  9. Cannonball
    Cannonball 28 October 2017 22: 34 New
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    Sharanskywhy do not you like nails as a striking element? And in the simultaneous launch of hundreds of IP-s there is no need. It is enough to disable only those satellites that fly over the theater, and even not all of them. The main thing is to violate the integrity of the system, make it work in fits and starts, with reduced positioning accuracy.

    While there is no need to shoot down satellites, but technically this task is quite feasible. And what the spacecraft will be struck with - nails, balls, cubes, arrows - does not matter.

    What years? God with you! There is no need for the complete destruction of the GPS system, just introducing a violation of its work on the theater, and for this three or four interceptors will suffice.
    1. models
      models 29 October 2017 17: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Cannonball
      nails as a striking element?
      Do you think Korolev, Chelomey, Kozlov and Kamanin, who joined them, are fools that instead of a carriage of nails, did IS-A and Soyuz-VI with an automatic gun? By the way, in addition to IS-A, there was IS-P which withstood up to three hits by the terrible-terrible IS-A.
  10. kamikaze
    kamikaze 29 October 2017 00: 48 New
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    a black hole needs to be created and sent to space war. she’ll immediately put everything in order and the winners will not be in space
  11. MOSKVITYANIN
    MOSKVITYANIN 29 October 2017 01: 07 New
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    So far, judging by the report of General Krall, the Americans have no such systems. The picture is drawn just to present the creation of the New Marine Expedition Information Group (MEF). But work is underway.

    Apparently ours stole some information on these studies from the United States, so I had to open up ...
    1. domokl
      29 October 2017 04: 38 New
      +1
      bully Everything is dressed parallel and perpendicular ... Who has someone parallel or perpendicular to the history is silent ... for a long time. And in fact, what is being offered is just another way of dealing with smart ammunition and all the electronics that are stuffed with modern planes, rockets and other weapons.
      We are working "on the ground" with our EW, while the Americans, realizing a decent lag from us, offer their own way.
      OBS intelligence speaks about several more developments on the same topics. Rumors, rumors, rumors ...
  12. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 29 October 2017 14: 11 New
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    I remember how a group of our aces crashed, flying out of Kamrani (Vietnam), crashing into the mountain. With poor visibility, we walked along the GPS navigation system and the whole group died.
  13. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 2 November 2017 01: 17 New
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    Well, what is tepericha ??? And now the work of specialists-intellectuals begins, which we do not have so many and we need to find capable, and then create specialists. Why, we need to prepare specialists in all areas of the national economy. If only to be in time, if only there would be sensible leaders and organizers, but certainly not from liberalists, not self-serving. and devotees of Russia. Then we can cover the eyes of the Americans and their ears and ears in a cyber war