The destruction of Ukraine on the "manuals" of the XVIII century

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Ukraine today is being destroyed and disintegrated almost in strict accordance with the manual of the end of the 18th century, when the decrepit and unviable Rzecz Pospolita after the bright and suicidal outburst of 1790's Polish nationalism has sunk into oblivion. The Poles themselves dug a grave to their state and did everything to make it disappear from the map of Europe as quickly as possible. Now a similar drama is unfolding before our eyes, in which the “patriots” of Ukraine, in fact, do the same.



By the way, today marks exactly 223 of the year from the day when AV Suvorov accepted the capitulation of Warsaw, and yesterday the 222 anniversary of the last and final division of the Commonwealth between Russia, Prussia and Austria struck.

Both events are closely related and are so interesting in their circumstances that it is impossible not to recall them today. This should be especially interesting for “patriots” in Kiev, who repeat the mistakes of their Warsaw colleagues more than 200 years ago.

The revolution of "gidnosti" in Polish

After Rzeczpospolita was “divided” for the first time, it became clear that without a complete restructuring of the state machine, this state is not viable. The Polish oligarchy managed to achieve a complete breakdown of the public administration system, and the reluctance to change something in the structure of the country imposed the death sentence on the state in the foreseeable future.



Most of all, Rzeczpospolita was tormented by periodically created gangs of confederate oligarchs dissatisfied with the central government and gaydamak detachments.

Neither of them even thought about the good of the country, but simply demanded to grant themselves the right to plunder it uncontrollably.

Hope for change came from Poland with the beginning of the Great French Revolution. Part of the Polish patriots saw it as a chance for their country. They went to another Maidan and began to demand change in the country. At first, their demands were not very radical, but the appetite gradually grew, and as soon as the aged Polish king Stanislav Ponyatovsky joined them, the time of the Polish revolution of “hydration” came.



The coup succeeded, but according to the already old and unkind Polish tradition, an “anti-Maidan” was formed in the country, that is, another “confederation”, whose emissaries quickly found themselves in front of the clear eyes of Russian Empress Catherine II.

How it was in 1793 and how it was not in 2014

Here in our stories there is an important discrepancy with today. In 1793, Catherine decided not to talk alarms with the EU, that is, with a democratic and enlightened Europe, but simply agreed with the King of Prussia Frederick William II and introduced troops to restore order and very quickly achieved success.

In the meantime, Western "partners" have shown true cunning towards the Poles. Even before the secret agreements with the Russian empress, the Prussian king promised Poland protection from the encroachments of Russia and thus became the guarantor of her territorial integrity. But as soon as Catherine offered Friedrich Wilhelm western Poland, he immediately agreed and hit the Poles in the rear.

The destruction of Ukraine on the "manuals" of the XVIII century


The second section of the Commonwealth deprived it of more than half of the territories and population. From a large European state, it turned into an ordinary and, moreover, disorganized state formation, in which “patriots” also came to power.

The treacherous insidiousness and insane indomitability inherent in the Polish patriots did not allow these remnants of Poland to survive either. The very next year, 1794, the Poles unexpectedly attacked the unsuspecting Russian garrisons and were able to cut out some of them, than they signed their final death sentence to their state. This uprising was doomed to defeat in advance, and only the inconsistency of the actions of the allies allowed him to continue for six months.

The agony of Poland lasted for half a year and ended on October 25 with the capitulation of Warsaw in October 1794, and the following year the Polish statehood was abolished by the decision of Russia, Austria and Prussia.

Historical parallels

As we can see, the history of Poland at the end of the 18th century most wonderfully resembles the history of today's Ukraine. Moreover, some changes in the scenario (well, Putin did not bring troops into 2014, the year) did not greatly influence the course of historical processes.

Yes, Russia did not invade Ukraine and did not go to Kiev, but simply supported Donetsk and Lugansk “confederates” after the coup of 2014 of the year. But this did not particularly affect the further course of history.

We already see that gradually the West (and today it is Poland) is already inclined to decide to betray Kiev and get its piece of cake (Lviv) when sharing. Hungary, one of the heirs of Austria-Hungary, also does not lag behind the Poles and also tries on the Ukrainian Transcarpathian region.

We also remember that it was Poland that was one of the guarantors of Kiev and promised him in the 2014 year all possible assistance against Moscow. History repeats itself. It also repeats itself in the indomitable and short-sightedness of the Kiev “patriots”, who, after their Russophobia, completely detached themselves from reality and quickly dig the grave of Ukraine’s remnants.

It remains only for the “patriots” in Kiev to raise a revolt against the central government, and the situation in Ukraine will once again become an exact copy of the Polish 200 years ago. It’s not a fact that they and their sponsors will go for it, but something tells me that it will not change anything in the fate of the state, which will remain in history under the name “Ukraine is not Russia”.
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  1. +16
    25 October 2017 15: 18
    History forgotten, doomed to repeat .. But where is this "modern Suvorov"?
    1. +21
      25 October 2017 17: 46
      If necessary, Suvorov, where can I find Catherine?
      1. +2
        25 October 2017 19: 48
        Or Grigory Potemkin ..
        Quote: Cartalon
        If necessary, Suvorov, where can I find Catherine?
        1. +2
          25 October 2017 21: 45
          Psheks themselves will bring the situation to their section.
          They cannot do otherwise; they are full of pride.
          1. SMP
            +2
            25 October 2017 21: 57
            Psheks themselves will bring the situation to their section.
            They cannot do otherwise; they are full of pride.


            Plus good
            In the photo, their queen in the mattress laughing
      2. +1
        25 October 2017 23: 52
        Quote: Cartalon
        Where to find Catherine?

        Does Panin / Orlov already exist? While it is clear that K. Razumovsky is generally against it. His Hetman is nicer. laughing
        Ekaterina 2 is a team of ambitions of both own and suite .. And, excuse me, with Surkov-ambitions of the current “Yekaterinburg” are just pipes ...
        1. +1
          26 October 2017 11: 52
          That's right - the analogies are deceiving, because politics and war are made by real living people and their "hangouts" of various levels and scales. Katka-2 had such a hangout of HISTORICAL figures that it could move Russian borders as the regional and pan-European political situation matured. But Pugachevism in her rear also happened - and we also need to remember this, trusting in the victorious Suvorovs. Yes and no, there is so far 100% certainty that we already have those, despite SOME SUCCESSES in Syria.
          1. 0
            26 October 2017 13: 18
            Well, this is how to say ... Of course, there are no and will not be any analogies. But, if we talk about non-stop, then the trends are the same. The only thing that keeps the Hungarians, Poles and Romanians from biting off solid Ukraine’s agonizing nenks right now pieces are the position of the states that so far need it as an anti-Russian force. But if and when the resulting dissimilar tendencies lead to the formation of several warring enclaves, the situation will change. No one needs a black hole in the center of Europe, with nuclear reactors, orphan mountains weapons, smuggling and uncontrolled gangs that were relegated to pasture. Then, if you want, if you want, you will have to first introduce the NATO (Hungarian, Polish, Romanian) and Russian troops to restore order and control over the territories. And then, over time, these enclaves are responsible will in one way or another be built into neighboring countries concerned. It is not excluded, however, that "in the name of political correspondence" and because of the final agreement on barely able to handle it, Ukraine will still remain, but in a significantly truncated form, there are several areas around Kiev.
  2. +7
    25 October 2017 15: 22
    Mdya ... everything is cyclical ... history develops in a spiral. By the logic of things, Russia will inevitably rise and America will decline ... Ukrainians put on the wrong horse))
    1. +14
      25 October 2017 17: 19
      The most.

      Why in a spiral?

      Reply.

      Because this crappy economic system - Capitalism, always leads to systemic economic crises.

      And the economy is the key to a successful state. As the economy dies, an oligarchic crime climbs to the surface and kills the country.

      We must not allow the desire for personal gain to be governed by a liberal liberal idea.
      1. +7
        25 October 2017 19: 38
        Here I absolutely agree with you. This is exactly what happens. A sort of economic dances on a rake.
  3. +3
    25 October 2017 16: 03
    What? What kind of analytics? The article pulls only on the "Opinion", and even then with a big stretch.
    Some kind of continuous pulling by the ears.
    The next article of the author will begin: "Australopithecus died out for 2 million years and Neaderthals took its place,
    right now, in strict accordance with that manual, is happening in Ukraine "
    1. +4
      25 October 2017 16: 16
      + if the author had read the story at least a little, he would have known that the last king of the Republic of Poland, Stanislav II, was the favorite of Catherine II, why the neutrality during the Seven Years' War and the passage of Russian troops through the territory, as well as the “cardinal rights” that abolished previous reforms and weakened RP adopted under pressure from the ambassador of the Russian Prince Repnin ...
      And if you draw parallels with Ukraine, then very inappropriate and unpleasant analogies loom ....
      So the author, not knowing the ford, do not go into the water!
      1. +6
        25 October 2017 16: 31
        Quote: meGrail
        + if the author had read the story at least a little, he would have known that the last king of the Republic of Poland, Stanislav II, was the favorite of Catherine II, why the neutrality during the Seven Years' War and the passage of Russian troops through the territory, as well as the “cardinal rights” that abolished previous reforms and weakened RP adopted under pressure from the ambassador of the Russian Prince Repnin ...
        And if you draw parallels with Ukraine, then very inappropriate and unpleasant analogies loom ....
        So the author, not knowing the ford, do not go into the water!

        And yet, it is time to end this project "Ukraine"! Most of this is our territory and our people ... It's time to return to the stall, sorry to the place! Home...
        And the Poles beg for the whistle .... And for the next section
        1. +5
          25 October 2017 23: 57
          These are for the most part our territories and our people ...


          This "our people" has gained debts in the IMF. Join as we will, with debts? You underestimate the United States ... Someone who, and the first thing they do is throw a debt noose.
          1. 0
            26 October 2017 11: 44
            it was immediately clear .... that Russia would give its debts
          2. 0
            29 October 2017 14: 14
            Bandera Ukraine will remain, which will go to the Poles and this is their problem. They will return to us in the form of provinces - Kiev, Kharkov, Odessa, etc.
      2. +3
        25 October 2017 19: 18
        AND? Your logic and "arguments" are strange. By the way, the author knows the story very well. For example, the institute could tell the history of Ukraine from three positions at once (Russian, Ukrainian and Polish) and argue. It was not a hobby, but a training. How can you?
        1. 0
          25 October 2017 19: 53
          If we are talking about nationalism, then another analogy is Turkey! The same meaningless nationalism led to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, and the creation of its remnants in the second decade of the last century, Turkey in its modern borders! So this behavior is fraught ...
        2. +2
          25 October 2017 20: 13
          Back in school, he managed to teach the history of Belarus from a pro-Belarusian (this is from the time of Shushkevich and times of independence and nationalism), and therefore from a pro-Russian (this is when we have a Union State and friendship) position. So I can, yes. But this is not the case.
          Since the author knows the story so well from different perspectives, why is there no hint of this versatile knowledge in the article, but only a couple of facts torn from the history, and the attempt (I gave the arguments above) to link this to the current realities was inept?
        3. +2
          25 October 2017 23: 56
          Quote: yurasumy
          history of Ukraine from three positions at once

          you can imagine what happened .. Tutorials changed every year, opinions and paradigms too. Therefore, telling another "story" the main thing to mention the author. And the choice of the "favorite" author. It was possible to dance as you like, the main thing is to rely on the source. We were always allowed any version with reference to the source. WHAT at school that at university.
      3. 0
        25 October 2017 20: 01
        The author is also a historian, but you don’t know the same story, Stanislav became king after the end of the Seven Years War.
        1. +1
          25 October 2017 22: 35
          I don’t declare that I know the story very well, that's why I don’t presume to write such opuses.
          It's to blame, in the commentary I cited 3 facts that speak about the close relationship of RF with RI:
          1. The last king of RF
          2. Neutrality and the admission of troops.
          3. "Cardinal Rights"
          However, I see that I have made ambiguities in the proposal, for which I apologize.
  4. +10
    25 October 2017 16: 06
    God grant that the words of the author turn out to be prophetic - Poland is the next final section, and Hohland deserved eternal non-existence. These two historical enemies of Russia should disappear from the world map.
    1. +1
      25 October 2017 22: 00
      Quote: silver169
      and Hohland deserved eternal non-existence. These two historical enemies of Russia should disappear from the world map.

      Since when Ukraine has become the "historical enemy of Russia." I look at us dol ... bah ... bov no less than in Ukraine. Unless they jump ...
      1. +3
        26 October 2017 00: 00
        Quote: AllXVahhaB
        Since when did Ukraine become the "historical enemy of Russia".

        4 year all media try. The paradigm has changed, its declared unnecessary, and then the enemy. Considering the speed so all the parishes can be sent away.
        1. 0
          26 October 2017 21: 54
          oooh ... sho .. going on ... shoo ... going on ...... oooohhh .......
          Ukraineaiiinaaaaa ......... !!!!!! 1 KS2000
  5. +5
    25 October 2017 16: 22
    There are analogies, but no more. The proposal itself is disgusting - to share what has always belonged to us and stolen from us.
    1. +1
      25 October 2017 18: 42
      by analogy with the previous sections, the Poles, Hungarians and Romanians have to throw pieces of Ukraine, take the rest for themselves. Lviv for Russia is of dubious value in any case
    2. 0
      25 October 2017 22: 04
      Quote: AID.S
      There are analogies, but no more. The proposal itself is disgusting - to share what has always belonged to us and stolen from us.

      Bessarabia, Wallachia, Transcarpathia ... So it is always?
      1. +2
        26 October 2017 10: 22
        Is it always like that?
        Maybe not always, but it was ours, and at the cost of the blood of our ancestors. However, Russia conquered some territories, not out of a desire to expand its living space (its own roof), but out of political necessity. Precisely the need. As it was for example in 1939.
  6. +3
    25 October 2017 19: 17
    Damn, well, you bury it all (Ruin)? And every winter they freeze and every spring they die of hunger because there’s nothing to sow. don’t you think that it’s already fed up with everything? It might be worth dropping that ruin into oblivion and forgetting.
    1. 0
      25 October 2017 19: 57
      Quote: WapentakeLokki
      Ruin

      Rather, the author wanted to emphasize that excessive nationalism is fraught with the fact that they themselves can run away from themselves and their ideas!
    2. +1
      26 October 2017 10: 17
      Quote: WapentakeLokki
      everything will not die and will not die.

      Have you ever seen a person in the last stage of cancer? He seems to be alive, he says, he walks, even eats something, but in fact he is already dead. Have you come across cases when doctors gave such people a month, and they lived another half a year? But the outcome is naturally the same. I hope the analogy is clear?
    3. 0
      26 October 2017 10: 55
      Quote: WapentakeLokki
      Lord does not seem to you that this is all fed up no

      And without the sign of the Cross, it is clear that the commentator is not a reader. A comma, at least one ... Well, do not be greedy, like they also heard about punctuation ...
  7. +1
    25 October 2017 20: 42
    Is Mila Jovovich pictured?
    1. 0
      25 October 2017 21: 18
      It’s possible it’s a pity not for Gadia Savchenko to her just right
  8. +3
    25 October 2017 21: 58
    Nothing in common! All "historical parallels" are far-fetched. The article is as far from reality as today's Ukrainian media space, only with the opposite sign.
    Is this a characteristic feature of Ukrainian journalism: to give out such nonsense while weaving pseudo-historicity?
    Where are the independent parties interested in the Ukraine section? Where are the poles of power with your interests?
    Today's situation is radically different. Only one thing is common - the presence of terpile: then Poland, now Ukraine.
    And that’s it. Further, the situation is different: there is a Boss (who considers himself to be), there are his sixes, and there is a "bad guy" (Russia). Well, who will share what with us? And most importantly: who will give ???
  9. +1
    26 October 2017 09: 37
    Well, the comparison is not too .... At that time there was no Europe ... There was a war ... Prussia and France and Russia were at enmity ... The state of Germany did not even exist in the project. At that time, if anyone forgot in Europe there was a war - the Austrian and French troops annihilated each other ... Therefore, there was no reason not to send troops, all the more so this mess was constantly moving to Russian territory, which was also robbed by guidamaks and Confederate gangs. And the troops of the "opposition" were led by French generals ...
  10. +1
    26 October 2017 10: 03
    end of the XVIII century, when the decrepit and already unviable Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth
    Unlike Ukraine, which had never been as a state, Poland at one time meant something in Europe. You can still understand them, whatever historical legacy. But Ukraine?
    exactly 223 years have passed since the day when A.V. Suvorov accepted the surrender of Warsaw
    Then there were no different organizations, such as the UN or PACE. Someone went to fight someone, so it’s necessary. No one cared, our interests are not affected, and okay. And if you can still make money, it’s generally a holy thing, you can also participate, including in the section. Now, in principle, everything remains the same, but only unilaterally, from the west.
  11. +1
    26 October 2017 10: 10
    A new time is coming. Human consciousness is changing. "Being determines consciousness." History cannot move in a spiral.
    The only constant is communal problems from year to year. The oligarchs solve global political problems,
    violating the laws of the international hostel. Filling their pockets, they still manage to call their nations to readiness to protect their values. Each militarist calls his values ​​national. Peaceful existence for
    "weapon barons" is the worst thing that can happen on our planet.
  12. 0
    26 October 2017 10: 15
    The hearts of members of the forum warm news about the imminent and imminent demise of Ukraine. Among the news about who and once again obosrod Russia people are looking for about Ukraine in the hope of good news. It’s like finding a diamond in an environment you know what. It is clear that nothing else remains.
    1. 0
      26 October 2017 14: 55
      Quote: SkepticCynic
      The hearts of members of the forum warm news about the imminent and imminent demise of Ukraine.

      Rave! Everyone has long been paid for Ukraine. This scribblers, by inertia, give out the product. But he is only interested in LDNR consumers.
      Quote: SkepticCynic
      Among the news about who and once again obosrod Russia people are looking for about Ukraine in the hope of good news. It’s like finding a diamond in an environment you know what. It is clear that nothing else remains.

      Are you living in some kind of virtual world of your own? Or do you think so from Belarus?
  13. 0
    26 October 2017 10: 18
    "It remains only for the" patriots "in Kiev to raise a rebellion against the central government, and the situation in Ukraine will again become an exact copy of the Polish 200 years ago.", Phrase in the last paragraph of the article. Question to the author, do you support the Poroshenko regime? Well, in distorting historical facts, you have already noticed in the comments. The clever one must understand, but ....
  14. 0
    26 October 2017 10: 27
    Thank you for the article. The events of past days and what is happening now in Ukraine are briefly and clearly stated.
  15. 0
    26 October 2017 10: 29
    A German woman on the Russian throne divided Poland between her German brothers. The Poles were weak, but instead of friendship and repentance they chose the path of confrontation - they sought alliance with distant France and were like a bone in the throat of the Germans.
    + + + + + + + + + +
    Ukraine is also looking for friends far away and neglects friendship with its neighbors. She shot down a Russian plane, killing Russians in Chechnya and Georgia. Hurt the Russian military-industrial complex. The patience of strong neighbors is not unlimited and should have ended sometime.
    1. +2
      26 October 2017 10: 47
      Quote: geologist
      Ukraine is also looking for friends far away and neglects friendship with its neighbors. She shot down a Russian plane, killing Russians in Chechnya and Georgia. Hurt the Russian military-industrial complex. The patience of strong neighbors will someday end.

      Actually, it’s not Ukraine, but its Zionist-Bandera government
    2. +2
      26 October 2017 14: 59
      Quote: geologist
      A German woman on the Russian throne divided Poland between her German brothers.

      But only then there were no such concepts as a nation or a nation state. For Russian nobles, she was more her own than Russian peasants; for her, Russian nobles were more their own than German "brothers" burghers ...
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    1. 0
      26 October 2017 15: 01
      Quote: armageddon
      for which you will soon have to answer

      And who will ask?)))
  17. 0
    26 October 2017 18: 27
    Quote: dauria
    These are for the most part our territories and our people ...


    This "our people" has gained debts in the IMF. Join as we will, with debts? You underestimate the United States ... Someone who, and the first thing they do is throw a debt noose.

    Do you think all these debts should be recognized? Money issued by non-legitimate "authorities", especially for non-legitimate purposes (for example, "Maidan", "ATO") is the lender's risk. If everything is done correctly, the debts will be returned by specific individuals (they run away or sit down - it doesn’t matter) from their personal accounts in Western banks (whoever loses, he pays), but you don’t need to learn the West, they’ll be dispossessed and they won’t be asked ...

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