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October saved Russia

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October saved Russia

100 years ago, 25 October 1917, the Bolsheviks eliminated the February project to destroy the Russian civilization and the Russian people. According to the plans of the masters of the West (Britain, the USA and France), the feudalist Westerners were to destroy not only the autocracy and liquidate the project of the Romanovs, but also to destroy Russia itself as a unique civilization separate from the Western world.


The victory of February led to the collapse and destruction of the Russian state, civilization and the Russian people.which can flourish and build only within the framework of a strong empire (centralized power). The fevralists, most of the degenerated elite of the Russian empire (grand dukes, aristocrats, generals, representatives of the liberal-democratic and left-wing parties, deputies, members of masonic lodges, bankers, industrialists, representatives of "oppressed" national minorities, etc.) thought knocking down the Russian autocracy, seizing power in their hands, establishing “democracy” (in fact, the power of the wealthy, the owners), they will make Russia a part of “enlightened and civilized” Europe. However, the masters of the West used Russian Westernizers (the Februaryists) to destroy Russia-Russia, their thousand-year geopolitical adversary. As long as the Russian civilization and the Russian people exist, the masters of the West cannot build their own infernal slave-holding “new” world order on Earth.

In the 1914 year, the Russian Empire fell into a mortal trap, skillfully arranged by the masters of the West, entered into a fratricidal slaughter with the great German people (Russians and Germans are the greatest representatives of the Aryan-Indo-European family). The war was used to crush the main foundations of the empire building: the armed forces and the autocracy. The fevralists (freemasons, Western liberals) plotted a plot and, during the February-March coup of 1917, were able to overthrow the tsar and eliminate autocracy. After that, the Provisional Government, partly by design, partly by stupidity, lack of experience and understanding of the foundations of Russian statehood, finished off “old Russia”.

Before the October Revolution, the fevralists would finish off an extremely weakened, demoralized army, almost devoid of the old personnel core. In fact, the royal army will die along with the autocracy and the empire. Its decomposed residues will not be the backbone of the government, but another factor of unrest and anarchy. Even before the Bolsheviks, the former law enforcement, police system was utterly destroyed. Against the background of the hardest world war and many thousands of armed deserters in Russia, a criminal revolution began. Large gangs were formed, terrorizing entire cities and towns. Later, the Bolsheviks and the Red Army will have to wage a separate war with the "green" (bandits).

Under the Provisional Government, the collapse of Great Russia will begin, various separatists and nationalists will receive complete freedom. The rapid growth of various nationalist parties and movements will begin, they will form their "armies" and governments. What will be one of the main factors already beginning of the Civil War. Various nationalists (Finnish, Polish, Ukrainian, Crimean-Tatar, Caucasian, etc.), as well as aliens - Hungarians, Czechoslovakians, Chinese, Japanese - will cruelly cut the Russians. In the same row, the forerunners of modern jihadists are basmachis. The Russian Communists will have to endure the fiercest battle with the nationalists, separatists and Basmachis, who tore Russia apart, saving the unity of the Russian state.

With the February lists, another front will appear in Russia - the Peasant War. The peasants, who for centuries have been accumulating hatred for the landowners, will be freed from the royal power (sacral power), which restrained them. There will be no army that could calm them down with harsh punitive measures (following the example of the 1905-1907 revolution). The peasants after February 1917 will start their own war, destroy landlord estates and divide the land. They will not want to supply the city and troops with food at the prices offered by the authorities. And the surplus will begin under the tsarist and Provisional governments, even before the Bolsheviks. The Soviet government will also have to fight peasant freemen who do not want to submit to any authorities. The peasant war with its all-destroying fire and anarchy was one terrible threat to the state, and it was possible to eliminate it with a lot of blood, which was one of the biggest tragedies of the Revolution and the Civil War in Russia. Within the framework of this great tragedy, the fate of a special part of the Russian people - the Cossacks. The Cossacks also felt free, as centuries ago, began to create their own governments and autonomous (independent) areas-troops. Participated in the collapse of a united Russia, fought for the whites, and for the red.

The Provisional Government ended the other foundations of a single state — the transportation network was paralyzed, barely working, the supply of cities collapsed; in a number of places, people began to starve, in others, peasants hid bread "until better times"; industry degraded, etc. The Austro-German armed forces easily occupied the western regions of Russia. The masters of France, England, the USA and Japan divided Russia into spheres of influence, preparing to divide the “skins of the Russian bear”.

Thus, February killed the “old Russia” - the Russian autocracy, the Romanov empire, the state itself. There was a terrible disaster. Russian civilization and the people were on the verge of complete decay and destruction. The masters of the West - “aliens and predators” - would not give Russia any chance of rebuilding, even under the guise of “Russian democracy,” a part of “enlightened Europe.” They did not need Russia — neither tsarist, nor democratic, nor socialist. Russia was awaited by the fate of a semi-colony, the existence of a pitiful separatist Bantustan under the protectorate of the great powers of the West and the East. And the complete extinction of the identity of the once great Russian people.

All kinds of Westernist feudalists — Kerenskys, falcons, Milyukovs, Guchkovs and others — destroyed Russia and killed it (unfortunately, their ideological heirs, Gaidar, Chubais, Sobchaks, won during the counterrevolution of 1985-1993). It remained quite a bit until the complete collapse of Russia. However, there were people who decided to take power into their own hands and to offer the peoples of the Russian civilization a new development project in which there would be no social injustice, oppression and exploitation by a few parasites of the majority. They were Bolsheviks, Russian communists. They had a development project in the interests of the overwhelming majority of the people, an idea, a program and a will. Therefore, they were able to defeat the whites (proteges of the losers of the feudalists, the bourgeoisie and capitalists, the West and the East), and the nationalists, and the Basmachis, and the Cossacks, the peasant freemen, and bandit formations, and throw the interventionists from Russia. They created the greatest in stories mankind Soviet project and civilization, the mighty Soviet Union. They offered the world an idea of ​​a society serving I and creation, social justice and the domination of the ethics of conscience. October saved Russia.

Thus, the Russian Communists offered mankind an image of a just world order, without parasitizing the few “chosen” over the masses. It was the society of the future - “beautiful far.” Therefore, Russian (Soviet) people were so loved and respected in Cuba, Vietnam, China, North Korea and other parts of our planet, where people and ordinary people have already experienced the horror of the domination of slave owners, Western "predators and strangers."

It is worth noting that many of the successes of modern China (which has become the second economy of the world and the new center of power on the planet) are connected precisely with the fact that the Celestial Empire adopted the Soviet experience, primarily the Stalinist empire.

It is clear that the Bolsheviks were not united. The core of the Russian Communists dreamed of a better world, social justice. They were supported by a mass of simple Bolsheviks. But there were "Agents of influence" of the West, the so-called. Trotskyist internationalists, led by Trotsky, Sverdlov, and others, who were supposed to complete the plundering and pogrom of Russian civilization, finish off Russia. Also, according to the Western masters, they conducted field tests of a new model of slave-holding civilization in Russia, in order to spread it over the entire planet - the pseudo-communist (Marxist) system of a crowd-elite society. With such a model, people were deceived by the images of the “bright future”, large-scale repression and terror were used against the dissenters. And in fact, everything remained as before: the domination of the caste of the "elect" over the masses of the people. However, the Russian Communists, led by Stalin, broke this sophisticated plan of the owners of the West. Hence the mystery of the “great cleansing of 1937 of the year” and the inconsistency of repression, when at first the masses of innocents fell under the knife, and then the initiators of mass terror themselves.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 25 October 2017 07: 01 New
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    October 25, 1917, the Bolsheviks liquidated the February project of the destruction of Russian civilization and the Russian people. According to the plans of the masters of the West (England, the USA and France), the Westernist Westerners were to destroy not only the autocracy and liquidate the Romanovs project, but destroy Russia itself as a unique civilization separate from the Western world.
    "Glory to the CPSU" only that I want to exclaim after such a thing ... What kind of HOUSES? What nonsense? It is also possible to accuse Lenin of ties with the Germans, and Trotsky with the Americans and the British, moreover, specifically pointing out the facts. Let's be honest. In Russia, at that time, several political forces were solving their purely selfish tasks of seizing and holding power, and not one of them was going to ruin Russia. And in this struggle, each side did not shun by any means. But only the Bolsheviks, led by Lenin, were able to create the most militant force and take control of the masses. Therefore, they won.
    And if we talk about the collapse, then none other than Lenin granted the independence of Finland, Poland, Ukraine and many other states formed in the vast expanses of the former Russian Empire. That is, it is he who is responsible for the collapse of Russia. But could he have acted differently at that moment?
    1. verner1967
      verner1967 25 October 2017 07: 20 New
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      Quote: svp67
      the Bolsheviks liquidated the February project of the destruction of Russian civilization and the Russian people. According to the plans of the owners of the West

      at least someone showed these plans and projects, otherwise it’s all blah blah blah and slavakpss. But at the same time they forget whose agitators were corrupting the army and who (let’s not point fingers, moreover, this is an elephant calf) called for turning bayonets against the "bloody tyrants"
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 25 October 2017 07: 38 New
        +9
        Quote: verner1967
        whose agitators corrupted the army

        Many frolic there, not only the Bolsheviks, but also the Mensheviks, anarchists and others.
        1. captain
          captain 23 December 2017 17: 31 New
          0
          Quote: Alex_59
          Quote: verner1967
          whose agitators corrupted the army

          Many frolic there, not only the Bolsheviks, but also the Mensheviks, anarchists and others.

          Thanks to the Jews, they saved Russia.
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 25 October 2017 08: 43 New
        +9
        Quote: verner1967
        even if anyone showed these plans and projects,

        At VO: topwar.ru/6708-plan-dallesa-dlya-sssr.html

        US National Security Council Directive 20 / 1 of 18 August 1948 (Dulles Plan ")
        http://www.sakva.ru/Nick/DullPlan.html
        http://www.sakva.ru/Nick/NSC_20_1R.html
        http://www.sakva.ru/Nick/NSC_20_1.zip
        1. verner1967
          verner1967 25 October 2017 13: 30 New
          +4
          Quote: Boris55
          At VO: topwar.ru/6708-plan-dallesa-dlya-sssr.html

          In general, the article refers to 1917, you have links about the 48th, you need to study the material carefully
          1. SMP
            SMP 25 October 2017 18: 17 New
            +7
            In general, the article refers to 1917, you have links about the 48th, you need to study the material carefully


            The material shows the dates in the form of a 1000 year old Russian civilization, and specifically the WEST.

            Start by exploring the history of how Rothschild, after the Battle of Waterloo, raised a jackpot that allowed him to buy the Bank of England with his giblets.
            To do this, he used pigeon mail, and after 2-5 hours I don’t remember exactly who knew who lost the battle, bought up some securities, sold others and so on ...

            In general, respected Russia for the countries of Europe before, and now for America it was still barbaric, and barbarians are savages.
            What did the civilized Spanish-Frenchmen of France do with savages?

            Robbed and will rob, like any colonies, therefore, this millennium war will not end in the 21st century.

            You need to study the material more carefully, and not fill the number of comments, or is your job like this?
            1. verner1967
              verner1967 25 October 2017 18: 44 New
              +3
              Quote: SMP
              We need to study the material more carefully,

              there’s no need to spin around like a frying pan, the article specifically asked the date range and there was a specific question about the year 1917.
              Quote: SMP
              instead of typing the number of comments
              fool why are they?
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              2. SMP
                SMP 26 October 2017 11: 17 New
                +1
                verner1967 Yesterday, 18:44 ↑


                Well, what a snitch? pounded moderators negative

          2. Gardamir
            Gardamir 25 October 2017 19: 00 New
            +7
            we are talking about 1917,
            and what? Lenin was already declared in the collapse of the USSR in 1991.
      3. Johns
        Johns 25 October 2017 11: 51 New
        +9
        Quote: Samsonov Alexander
        October saved Russia

        The greatest geopolitical catastrophe in Russia, which cost her about a third or four of its population and threw it into the deep Middle Ages, is called a blessing.
        Lord, why are you depriving these people of reason?
        1. Antianglosax
          Antianglosax 25 October 2017 12: 08 New
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          Quote: Johns
          The greatest geopolitical catastrophe in Russia, which cost her about a third or four of its population and threw it into the deep Middle Ages, is called a blessing.

          So there was no choice. Or October or the collapse of Russia. If it were not for the Bolshevik communists, then such a country would probably not have been. How many were willing to rob during the troubled years of the revolution and civil war !? And the Angles and the Saxons and Amerisraxes, and from the west and from the east and from the south! Thanks to the Bolsheviks for recapturing Russia from the western degenerate bandits and eastern insolents!
          A geopolitical catastrophe occurred when the insignificance of Nikolashka first handed over the country to economically western capital, and then he lost political power due to his insolvency and stupidity.
          And your Lord deprives people of reason so that people like you could distort facts and realities, and give out mountainous replicas that have nothing to do with reality!
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              1. Koshnitsa
                Koshnitsa 25 October 2017 14: 25 New
                +2
                Ah ha ha!
                You are beautiful in anger, a young man under the name Diana! :-))
                But too feminine, in Nuremberg did not judge any of these countries.
                We see that if the carriers of extremist ideas, left-wing terrorists are subjected to the necessary measures, this leads to the heyday of the country.
                1. Tula gingerbread
                  Tula gingerbread 25 October 2017 15: 52 New
                  +5
                  They did not judge, because they jumped on time. And they should have.
                2. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 25 October 2017 19: 03 New
                  +4
                  extremist ideas, leftist terrorists
                  And how many people in Russia were killed by democratic terrorists.
              2. verner1967
                verner1967 25 October 2017 14: 38 New
                +4
                Quote: Diana Ilyina
                Fascist Regimes Won in All Countries You Listed

                Are fascists in Hungary, Spain and Finland? And then in Italy, who? And why, if against the Communists, then a fascist? Do you know other parties? Go study then. Although, you need to learn how to cook better.
              3. Johns
                Johns 25 October 2017 15: 18 New
                +3
                Quote: Diana Ilyina
                Fascist Regimes Won in All Countries You Listed

                The Bolsheviks called these fascist regimes just unburdened by excessive education and knowledge.
                Bourgeois revolutions took place in these countries. And in fact, the authoritarian regimes defeated, representing the dictatorships of the class coming to power, in this case the bourgeoisie. This always happens during revolutions, because a revolution must defend itself. Including from representatives of the dominant classes before the revolution.
                By the way, using Bolshevik terminology, the very first “fascist” on Earth was Briton O. Cromwell. And perhaps the most famous, N. Bonaparte. Therefore, it is more correct to use the term "Bonapartism."
                A typical example of a failed revolution is the Russian bourgeois revolution of March 1917. It failed to defend itself and fell. As a result, Russia disappeared from world maps, and the Middle Ages reigned on its territory for 3/4 centuries. In scientific terms, reaction, reactionary mode. Those. the Bolsheviks were not revolutionaries, but the most typical reactionaries. And in October 1917 - January 1918 in Russia there was a reactionary coup that buried the March revolution of 1917
                That reactionary coup was very typical, nothing special. And maybe in the future everything would fall into place and revolutionary changes would nevertheless be carried out in Russia. I don’t know which way, whether peaceful or not. But in December 1927, a rather rare and catastrophic event occurred in its consequences; this typical reactionary coup was superimposed by the forcible transfer of society in the USSR from a secular to a theocratic state. On the basis of the fictitious (I think that Dzhugashvili, recall where he studied) pseudo-religion "Marxism-Leninism". But it was already a complete disaster. With very, very deplorable consequences. From which Russia has not recovered to this day. And not the fact that he will be able to recover in the future. Let's hope that he can.
                Quote: Diana Ilyina
                what then became of them to remind you ?!

                In all these countries, they still live. Unlike the Bolshevik regime. True, in Hungary there was a break for "strong friendship with the USSR." With the change of regime to puppet. But then everything returned to the normal development of the country.
                1. Diana Ilyina
                  Diana Ilyina 25 October 2017 15: 32 New
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                  Johns Today, 15:18 p.m. ↑
                  The Bolsheviks called these fascist regimes just unburdened by excessive education and knowledge.
                  Well, apparently, you are weighed down by both "education" and "knowledge" ... laughing laughing laughing Intelligence does not press on the brain ?!
                  In Spain - Franco, in Hungary - Horthy, in Finland - Mannerheim, all dictators to one degree or another, all collaborated with Hitler, and accordingly all are guilty of those atrocities that were committed at the hands of the Nazis and fascists.
                  And those who defend them now are worse than the Nazis and fascists!
                  1. Johns
                    Johns 25 October 2017 15: 46 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Diana Ilyina
                    In Spain - Franco, in Hungary - Horthy, in Finland - Mannerheim, all dictators to one degree or another, all collaborated with Hitler

                    I’ll tell you a secret thing, Dzhugashvili until June 22.06.1941, XNUMX also collaborated with Hitler. Is he this same Dzhugashvili, a fascist dictator? And then who is Mussolini?
                    Quote: Diana Ilyina
                    and accordingly, all are guilty of those atrocities that were committed at the hands of the Nazis and fascists.

                    So the Nazis or the Nazis? Or do you not see the difference? Who do you mean?
                    Quote: Diana Ilyina
                    And those who defend them now are worse than the Nazis and fascists!

                    And who and where protects the Nazis and / or fascists? I have not seen such on this thread of discussion.
                    And then, the sentence to the Nazis and Nazism was pronounced in Nuremberg. Therefore, everything is clearly clear there. If something is not clear to you, read the material from that court. Start right with the conclusions.
                    1. Tula gingerbread
                      Tula gingerbread 25 October 2017 15: 55 New
                      +7
                      No need to confuse, along with Hitler, they also fought conventional trade. Many traded with Hitler, and the United States did the whole war. Rather, private companies from the United States.
                      1. verner1967
                        verner1967 25 October 2017 16: 51 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Tula gingerbread
                        No need to confuse-fought along with Hitler and conventional trade.

                        In September 1939, we also fought with Hitler in Poland. Finland and Romania were invaded with the blessing of Hitler.
                        Quote: Tula gingerbread
                        . Rather, private companies from the United States.

                        This is the whole point. Not the USA, but some US citizens. Citizens of the USSR were also in the service of Hitler and actively collaborated with his regime.
                      2. Johns
                        Johns 25 October 2017 17: 38 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Tula gingerbread
                        No need to confuse-fought along with Hitler and conventional trade.

                        But the "Polish campaign" of the Red Army of 1939, in what category of "trade" does it fall?
                    2. Diana Ilyina
                      Diana Ilyina 25 October 2017 15: 58 New
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                      Johns Today, 15:46 p.m. ↑
                      I’ll tell you a secret thing, Dzhugashvili until June 22.06.1941, XNUMX also collaborated with Hitler.
                      How?! He fought on the side of Hitler ?!
                      Do not distort. It is one thing to cooperate with the state in peacetime and quite another during the war!
                      By the way, your American masters collaborated with Hitler until the end of the war, and then sheltered Nazi criminals! This is a fact!
                      1. verner1967
                        verner1967 25 October 2017 16: 53 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Diana Ilyina
                        It is one thing to cooperate with the state in peacetime and quite another during the war!

                        So we could not cooperate with the UK and the USA and accept help from them?
                      2. Johns
                        Johns 25 October 2017 17: 54 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Diana Ilyina
                        He fought on the side of Hitler ?!

                        On the side, not on the side, but against Poland in 1939, they fought together.
                        Quote: Diana Ilyina
                        It is one thing to cooperate with the state in peacetime and quite another during the war!

                        2 MV began on September 03.09.1939, 22.06.1941. From then until XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, the Soviet Union managed not only to shockly bargain with Germany, but also to fight together in Poland. And also coordinate with her their actions in the Baltic States and Romania.
                        Quote: Diana Ilyina
                        your american masters

                        My American masters?
                        Have you had a drink today?
                        No?
                        It's time. And then they started talking.
                        Quote: Diana Ilyina
                        collaborated with Hitler until the end of the war

                        Gee-gee-gee. RzhunemAgu.
                        With your ignorance, it would be worthwhile to know that from 11.12.1941/1941/24.09.1941 the United States was in a state of war with Germany. Officially. And unofficially, the United States in August 1941, together with Britain, developed and signed the Atlantic Charter. This marked the beginning of the so-called "Anti-Hitler Coalition", into which the USSR was forced to join on September XNUMX, XNUMX, by no means attractive conditions. Thus, in August XNUMX, the United States in fact, together with the British, opposed Germany.
                        Thus, at least from 11.12.1941/1941/08.05.1941 (and most likely from August XNUMX) to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX. none of the Americans could simply cooperate with the Nazis. For cooperation with the enemy in time of war relies on the death penalty, my friend. Remember this for the future, it may come in handy.
                        Quote: Diana Ilyina
                        and then sheltered Nazi criminals! This is a fact!

                        Can you name the names of "sheltered Nazi criminals"?
                2. Tula gingerbread
                  Tula gingerbread 25 October 2017 15: 54 New
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                  We still did not have enough grades and subtleties of the fascist da ... to understand. My grandfathers fought against the Nazi invaders. This definition is enough for me.
                  1. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 27 October 2017 18: 00 New
                    0
                    That’s exactly German, and then after all, there are no Germans either where we don’t have .... some are decent but ceyman ...
            2. Luga
              Luga 25 October 2017 17: 50 New
              +4
              Quote: Koshnitsa
              In Hungary, Finland, Spain all the Communists were outweighed and it became good and these countries did not disappear anywhere.

              Spots on the map. Remember Luxembourg and Liechtenstein. Tell us about their sovereignty and independence. About their great and numerous nations. Found with whom to compare Russia.
            3. Train
              Train 25 October 2017 18: 25 New
              +5
              and the Finns came to Petrozavodsk and the peasants burned in their homes, it seemed to them that Lenin gave them little land, they were offended
          2. Johns
            Johns 25 October 2017 14: 43 New
            +5
            Quote: Antianglosaks
            So there was no choice. Or October or the collapse of Russia.

            October 1917 (but the Bolshevik coup ended in January 1918 with the final chord, the dispersal of the Constituent Assembly) and was the collapse of Russia. After which she 74 disappeared altogether from the world map. And the USSR, this is not Russia at all.
            Quote: Antianglosaks
            If it were not for the Bolshevik communists, then such a country would probably not have been.

            See above. There was no Russia under the Bolshevik Communists. But the RSFSR, like the USSR, is not Russia.
            Quote: Antianglosaks
            How many were willing to rob during the troubled years of the revolution and civil war !? And the Angles and the Saxons and Amerisraxes, and from the west and from the east and from the south!

            Whom? The population of a semi-impoverished country (it became impoverished already at the time of the Bolsheviks, that is, under "socialism"), periodically making ends meet on the brink of hunger?
            Believe all sorts of funny Soviet agitation.
            Quote: Antianglosaks
            Thanks to the Bolsheviks for recapturing Russia from the western degenerate bandits and eastern insolents!

            Even the "unsaved" do not complain. And live a prosperous calm life. Unlike "beaten off".
            Quote: Antianglosaks
            and give out to the mountain such arrogant remarks that have nothing to do with reality!

            You very accurately described your comments. In the "top ten."
            1. verner1967
              verner1967 25 October 2017 16: 55 New
              +2
              Quote: Johns
              You very accurately described your comments. In the "top ten."

              Bravo! good
            2. Alexander Greene
              Alexander Greene 25 October 2017 18: 01 New
              +6
              Quote: Johns
              Quote: Antianglosaks
              How many were willing to rob during the troubled years of the revolution and civil war !? And the Angles and the Saxons and Amerisraxes, and from the west and from the east and from the south!

              Whom? The population of a semi-impoverished country (it became impoverished already at the time of the Bolsheviks, that is, under "socialism"), periodically making ends meet on the brink of hunger?
              Believe all sorts of funny Soviet agitation.

              Dear, I wonder what you believe? The aggressor states do not rob the population, but the country's natural wealth. They don’t need the rich burghers of a European country where there is practically nothing, but don’t feed bread, but let them plunder the natural reserves of oil, gas, ore, black soil, etc. lands of the Soviet republics.
              1. Johns
                Johns 25 October 2017 18: 32 New
                +4
                Quote: Alexander Green
                They don’t need the rich burghers of a European country where there is practically nothing, but don’t feed bread, but let them plunder the natural reserves of oil, gas, ore, black soil, etc. lands of the Soviet republics.

                Dear, constantly referred to by the Bolsheviks and their followers, "natural wealth, which they only dreamed of robbing," not so much that they are especially expensive. Because are available in huge quantities in the world. Intellectual property and a modern technological base are much more expensive. This is really a shortage. In order not to be unfounded I bring you a fresh reting of the absolute accumulated wealth of the countries of the world. Everything there, and resources, and patents, etc. etc. Everything is calculated:

                As you can see, there are many things in Europe. Despite your ignorant statements.
                1. Alexander Greene
                  Alexander Greene 25 October 2017 21: 26 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Johns
                  As you can see, there are many things in Europe. Despite your ignorant statements.

                  Well, it’s necessary - to get rich with thoughts, and then why did they all fight because of the colonies?
                  1. Johns
                    Johns 25 October 2017 21: 40 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    why then did they all fight because of the colonies?

                    What century do you live in? Buy yourself a time machine there and get to us.
                    1. Ulan
                      Ulan 26 October 2017 21: 06 New
                      +2
                      This is what you think in 19th century categories. The colony can be enslaved in other ways than the military.
                2. San Sanych
                  San Sanych 30 October 2017 13: 02 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Johns
                  Quote: Alexander Green
                  They don’t need the rich burghers of a European country where there is practically nothing, but don’t feed bread, but let them plunder the natural reserves of oil, gas, ore, black soil, etc. lands of the Soviet republics.

                  Dear, constantly referred to by the Bolsheviks and their followers, "natural wealth, which they only dreamed of robbing," not so much that they are especially expensive. Because are available in huge quantities in the world. Intellectual property and a modern technological base are much more expensive. This is really a shortage. In order not to be unfounded I bring you a fresh reting of the absolute accumulated wealth of the countries of the world. Everything there, and resources, and patents, etc. etc. Everything is calculated:

                  As you can see, there are many things in Europe. Despite your ignorant statements.

                  what is this nonsense? repeat bully
            3. Gardamir
              Gardamir 25 October 2017 19: 18 New
              +7
              And the USSR, this is not Russia at all.
              and still it’s a pity that the minuses were canceled, if you had two skulls.
              1. Johns
                Johns 25 October 2017 21: 14 New
                +3
                Quote: Gardamir
                and still it’s a pity that the minuses were canceled, if you had two skulls.

                This is what. If you had not canceled the search and execution of "enemies of the people", then you would have gone for a walk? Yes?
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 25 October 2017 22: 18 New
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                  Quote: Johns
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  and still it’s a pity that the minuses were canceled, if you had two skulls.

                  This is what. If you had not canceled the search and execution of "enemies of the people", then you would have gone for a walk? Yes?

                  Well, which of you is the enemy of the people? A troll is cheap, with a worn-out training manual up to the holes ... woo-woo request
                  1. Ulan
                    Ulan 26 October 2017 21: 07 New
                    +4
                    That's for sure. The rank of the enemy still needs to be earned, but it’s so ... trifle.
        2. maximghost
          maximghost 25 October 2017 12: 20 New
          +5
          When did you emigrate, if not secret? And if after 91, then from which country?
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          1. Gopnik
            Gopnik 25 October 2017 13: 44 New
            +4
            Quote: Diana Ilyina
            This is a pearl, three quarters of the population ...?!


            Young lady, read carefully before discussing something about pearls, delusions, etc.
            1. Koshnitsa
              Koshnitsa 25 October 2017 15: 41 New
              +2
              This is a little fellow.
          2. verner1967
            verner1967 25 October 2017 14: 44 New
            +2
            Quote: Diana Ilyina
            And again, not the Bolsheviks overthrew the king

            Oh you! Are you already for the king? In less than six months, and progress is evident laughing
            1. Diana Ilyina
              Diana Ilyina 25 October 2017 15: 10 New
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              verner1967 Today, 14:44 ↑
              Oh you! Are you already for the king? Not even half a year has passed, and progress is evident laughing
              Why did you get that, what kind of king am I ?! Where did such crazy thoughts come from ?! Or a statement of the fact that the king was boldly surrounded by him, including members of the royal family, do you consider recognition that I am for the king ?! Well, but you have the logic ... fool
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        4. zoolu350
          zoolu350 25 October 2017 18: 13 New
          +6
          Of course, the greatest victory of Russian Civilization is a blessing. As a result, a leap into the Future was made. Oh yes, I completely forgot, as a result of this, the protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia as part of the 1st Euroreich, where the Czechs selflessly made weapons for Hitler, was destroyed, it happens.
        5. SMP
          SMP 25 October 2017 18: 44 New
          +3
          Lord, why are you depriving these people of reason?


          Do you know what word the mind is different from words soul?

          Psychology (from other Greek. Ψυχή - “soul”; λόγος - “teaching”) is a science that studies the laws of the occurrence, development and functioning of the psyche and mental activity of a person and groups of people. Combines humanitarian and natural-scientific approaches [1].


          1. That is, psychology is a science that studies soul
          from other Greek ψυχή - “soul”.
          2. That is, psychology is a science that studies mind.

          I didn’t confuse anything?
          Reason = Soul, i.e. identical concepts,
          one ancient, the other modern.

          Well, so the Creator whom you called the Lord neither didn’t deprive anyone, never deprive, and never will deprive.
          Souls (mind) deprives only the devil (lies). For the devil is the father of lies.
          Therefore...... why do you deprive these people of reason, you can ask only the devil, but not God.

          Why did I write this to you?
          Atheists rarely throw such phrases.
          For believing liars is like believing the servants of the devil.

          Russia's greatest geopolitical catastrophe, which cost her about a third or four of its population and threw it into the deep Middle Ages, is called a blessing


          You wrote 33% of the population of Russia died because a third is 33%, and this Lodge.
          You wrote that the catastrophe threw Russia into the depths of the Middle Ages?
          And this FALSE for what to do with the first manned flight into space? Lunokhod interplanetary automatic stations Venus, Mars, Phobos, etc.
          But what about nuclear energy?

          And you call it the Middle Ages? negative
          1. Hantengri
            Hantengri 26 October 2017 00: 02 New
            0
            Quote: SMP
            Psychology (from other Greek. Ψυχή - “soul”; λόγος - “teaching”)

            Yasu is lying malaka! (I’m sorry, I don’t have Greek pouches on the clave. But did you understand me ?! For you, Greek is almost native! Yes? lol ) And so, let's go:
            λόγος

            ὁ (often pl.)

            1) word, speech

            (ἔργῳ καὴ λόγῳ Aesch.)

            λόγου μείζων Her. or κρείσσων Thuc. - inexpressible, indescribable;

            λόγον προσφέρειν τινί Her. - contact smb .;

            ὡς εἰπεῖν λόγῳ Her. - so to speak;

            λόγου ἕνεκα Plat. - (only) by the way, for example (not seriously);

            λέγειν ἑνὴ λόγῳ Plat. or ἁπλῷ λόγῳ Aesch. - (in a word;

            (περὴ) οὗ ὁ λ. Plat. - what (and) we are talking about

            2) said, mentioned

            καὴ παράδειγμα τόδε τοῦ λόγου ἐστί Thuc. - the proof of the above is the following

            3) log. position, judgment, wording

            (λ. ὁριστικός Arst.)

            ἐξελεγκτέος οὗτος ὁ λ. ἡμῖν ἐστιν Plat. - we must refute this position

            4) philosopher. definition

            (ψυχῆς οὐσία καὴ λ. Plat.)

            τὰ πρῶτα στοιχεῖα λόγον οὐκ ἔχει Plat. - the initials are not definable

            5) expression, saying, saying

            θεοὺς τοὺς τῆς ἁλούσης πόλεως ἐκλείπειν λ. (sc. ἐστίν) Aesch. - they say that the gods leave the conquered city

            6) prophetic word, prediction, divination

            δρυὸς λόγοι μαντικοί Plat. - prophetic words of oak, i.e. Dodonian Oracle;

            πρὸς λόγον τοῦ σήματος Aesch. - as the sign foreshadows

            7) decision, decision

            κοινῷ λόγῳ Her. - unanimously

            8) the right to decide the legislature

            ἐπὴ τῷ πλήθει λ. (sc. ἐστίν) Soph. - power belongs to the (popular) masses

            9) order, command

            (πατρός Aesch.)

            10) offer, condition

            (ἐνδεξαμένου τὸν λόγον Πεισιστράτου Her.)

            ἐπὴ λόγῳ τοιῷδε τάδε ὑπίσχομαι Her. - I promise this with the following condition

            11) a word, a promise

            λόγος λέγειν μόνον Dem. - make some promises

            12) occasion, pretext

            ἐκ σμικροῦ λόγου Soph. - on an insignificant pretext

            13) argument, evidence

            (λόγοις τισὴ πεῖσαί τινα Xen.)

            14) mention

            λόγου ἄξιον οὐδέν Her. - nothing worthy of attention, i.e. a little bit

            15) fame, hearing

            (ἵνα λ. σε ἔχῃ ἀγαθός Her.)

            λ. ἐστί, κατέχει or φέρεται Thuc., Xen. etc. - rumor goes, rumor goes

            16) news, news

            (λ., ὃς ἐμπέπτωκεν ἐμοί Soph.)

            17) conversation, conversation

            εἰς λόγους ἐλθεῖν, συνελθεῖν, ἰέναι or ἀφικέσθαι τινί Her. etc. - enter into conversation (talk) with smb .;

            ἐν λόγοις εἶναι Her. and διὰ λόγων ἰέναι τινί Eur. - have a conversation with smb .;

            τοὺς λόγους ποιεῖσθαι πρὸς ἀλλήλους Plat. - talk to each other

            18) negotiations

            (λόγους ποιεῖσθαι περί τινος Dem.)

            19) story, narration, tradition

            (Αἰγύπτιοι λόγοι Her .; ἄκουε λόγου, ὃν σὺ ἡγήσει μῦθον Plat.)

            20) fairy tale, fable

            (οἱ τοῦ Αἰσώπου λόγοι Plat.)

            ὁ τοῦ κυνὸς λ. Xen. - a fable about a dog

            21) prose work, prose

            (ἐν λόγῳ καὴ ἐν ᾠδαῖς Xen.)

            οἱ λόγοι Anth. - literary classes, literature

            22) section of the essay, chapter, book

            (ἐν τῷ πρόσθεν or ἔμπροσθεν λόγῳ Xen.)

            23) the right to speak, the word

            (αἰτεῖσθαι λόγον Thuc.)

            λόγου τυγχάνειν Dem .; - get the word

            24) public speaking, speech

            σύγκειται ἐκ τριῶν ὁ λ. Arst. - speech consists of three (elements)

            25) subject of discussion, question, topic

            (περὴ ​​λόγου τινὸς διαλέγεσθαι Plat.)

            ἄλλος λ. Plat. - (this) is another question;

            ἐὰν πρὸς λόγον τι ᾖ Plat. - if it is relevant;

            τοῦ λόγου μετέχειν Her. - be involved in the case;

            τὸν ἥττω λόγον κρείττω ποιεῖν Plat. - present evil as good

            26) understanding, reason

            (τῷ λόγῳ ἕπεσθαι Plat.)

            ὁ ὀρθὸς or ἐοικὼς λ. Plat. - sanity;

            ἔχειν λόγον Plat. - meet the requirements of the mind, be reasonable

            27) (reasonable) basis

            κατὰ τίνα λόγον; Plat. - on what basis?

            28) opinion, discretion

            ὅ τί μιν ὁ λ. αἱρέει Her. - as he pleases;

            τῷ ἐκείνων λόγῳ Her. - in their opinion

            29) assumption

            ἐπὴ τῷδε τῷ λόγῳ Her. - based on that;

            παρὰ λόγον Plat. - against expectation

            30) value, weight

            (λόγῳ ἐν σμικρῷ εἶναι Plat.)

            λόγου οὐδενὸς γενέσθαι πρός τινος Her. - be in complete contempt with smb .;

            ἐν οὐδενὴ λόγῳ ποιεῖσθαί τινα Her. - not put smb. On anything

            31) (co) attitude, compliance

            ἀνὰ τὸν αὐτὸν λόγον Plat. - in the same ratio;

            κατὰ λόγον τινός Her., Xen .; - in accordance with smth .;

            ἐς Her. and πρὸς λόγον τινός Aesch. - regarding smth., In connection with smth.

            32) report, explanation

            (λόγον ἑαυτῷ διδόναι περί τινος Her.)

            λόγον δοῦναι καὴ δέξασθαι Plat. - give and receive explanations

            33) account, calculation

            τὸ κατὰ λόγον Men. - on the (total) account, as a result

            34) number, group, category

            ἐν συμμάχων λόγῳ εἶναι Her. - be considered allies;

            ἐν ἀνδραπόδων λόγῳ ποιεῖσθαι Her. - keep on the position of slaves;

            ἐς τούτου (sc. τοῦ γήραος) λόγον οὐ πολλοὴ ἀπικνέονται Her. - few live to such an old age
            http://www.classes.ru/all-greek/dictionary-greek-
            russian-old-term-39156.htm


            The concept of "teaching" is where?
        6. Gardamir
          Gardamir 25 October 2017 19: 01 New
          +3
          The greatest geopolitical catastrophe in Russia, which cost her about a third or four of its population and threw it into the deep Middle Ages, is called a blessing.
          Are you talking about 1991? Because after 1917, the country began to develop.
          1. Johns
            Johns 25 October 2017 21: 26 New
            +5
            Quote: Gardamir
            Because after 1917, the country began to develop.

            Yes Yes. Very fast.
            At first it "developed" through the Civil War.
            Then by the "first Polish campaign".
            Then, through the first mass famine of the early 20s.
            Then through the "building of socialism", which led to a great famine of the early 30s with grandiose victims.
            Then by searching, executing, and repressing "enemies of the people." This is when Dzhugashvili in the process of "building socialism" realized that the more or less liberal form of slave relations in the USSR did not work and switched to a tough slave regime. Having gained millions of disenfranchised and virtually free slaves in the Gulag. And he put the rest on a chain of fear.
            Well, and so on in terms of "development." There were many more moments, but it is worth mentioning, perhaps, the “development” from 22.06.1941/08.05.1945/XNUMX to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX.
            And also such an element of "development" as the mass famine of 1946. The country of total absurdity, she (the country of the USSR) for her labors and losses, the nightmarish Anglo-Saxons allocated a small bunch of satellites for food, and she is starving. BDSM of some kind.
            1. Ulan
              Ulan 26 October 2017 21: 16 New
              +3
              Zero knowledge, ordinary cliches, on the verge of gossip. The young man count the average number of prisoners in the USSR and the number of able-bodied people, then you can understand that the prisoners could not pull off such a gigantic event as industrialization. Some kind of kindergarten.
        7. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene 25 October 2017 21: 29 New
          +8
          Quote: Johns
          The greatest geopolitical catastrophe in Russia, which cost her about a third or four of its population and threw it into the deep Middle Ages, is called a blessing.

          Is it 3/4 of the population? Where did then come 280 million inhabitants of the USSR at the time of destruction?
          1. Johns
            Johns 25 October 2017 21: 45 New
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Green
            Is it 3/4 of the population?

            Learn Russian, Mr. Ukrainian. Perhaps useful.
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 26 October 2017 06: 49 New
              +4
              So where does 280 million come from?
          2. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 30 October 2017 23: 09 New
            0
            Quote: Alexander Green
            order thirds of four its population

            You would also want to do phonetics. What the four?
        8. Grenader
          Grenader 26 October 2017 14: 17 New
          +2
          Quote: Johns
          The greatest geopolitical catastrophe in Russia, which cost her about a third or four of its population and threw it into the deep Middle Ages, is called a blessing.

          That is, the USSR with its achievements was not? Didn’t fly into space? The population has not shod literacy industry has not developed? And what state was Russia before the October Revolution? Isn’t it medieval, with 20% literacy, according to the most daring estimates? Before the revolution, Russia would have been sitting and living further if the Bolsheviks had not pulled the country into world leaders. A disaster RI the autocrat himself and his entourage arranged it. So do not smack nonsense.
          1. Tula gingerbread
            Tula gingerbread 26 October 2017 16: 43 New
            +5
            Of course, there wasn’t. This is a titty sharp-cheater-troll. Mentioned the Polish campaign of the Red Army, but "forgot that it was an answer to the Polish intervention. The Red Army, for no reason, took it and attacked" peaceful "Poland.
          2. Trapperxnumx
            Trapperxnumx 27 October 2017 16: 59 New
            +1
            Quote: Grenader
            Quote: Johns
            The greatest geopolitical catastrophe in Russia, which cost her about a third or four of its population and threw it into the deep Middle Ages, is called a blessing.

            That is, the USSR with its achievements was not? Didn’t fly into space? The population has not shod literacy industry has not developed? And what state was Russia before the October Revolution? Isn’t it medieval, with 20% literacy, according to the most daring estimates? Before the revolution, Russia would have been sitting and living further if the Bolsheviks had not pulled the country into world leaders. A disaster RI the autocrat himself and his entourage arranged it. So do not smack nonsense.

            As you can see, already in the 1913 year, literacy among conscripts amounted to 73% (by 1917 year - more than 80%).
            On January 1 of 1915, the percentage of the ratio of the number of students to the number of children from 8 to 11 years in the provinces, according to the article of the New 1916 Encyclopedic Dictionary of the Year [25], was as follows:
            Moscow and Petrograd provinces 81-90%, 7 provinces 71-80%, 20 provinces 61-70% .... "
            https://echo.msk.ru/blog/fedor/951266-echo/
            prison of nations, what to do ... the most important thing - then quietly rewrite everything on the achievements of the new government, and the king is what, he is a tyrant. Poor kids learning forced, ooooh, villain. Ehhhhh .... when will we go from history to agitation, it is not clear.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 25 October 2017 08: 12 New
      11
      Quote: svp67
      and not one of them was going to ruin Russia.

      No one, yes. Only some retained the Russian state, while others retained their impersonal power on this piece of land as a springboard for extending power to other countries. No wonder the name "Russia" disappeared from the maps of the world for 70 years, and the words "Russian" and again "Russia" were actually banned until 1934, as was its history.
      Quote: svp67
      That is, it is he who is responsible for the collapse of Russia. But could he have acted differently at that moment?

      Of course it does. Otherwise, I could, just read the discussions at the 10th and 12th congresses of the CPSU, when ordinary communists asked: "Why are we creating a Ukrainian and Belarusian nation?"
      But Lenin and others like him were looking for allies among the nationalists - the official ukronazist Grushevsky (the god of today's ukranationalists) was invited to Ukraine, and with him 50 ukronazikists from western uraines, Austria, to carry out the Ukrainization of Russians. In the Caucasus, the lands of Russian villages were transferred to the Chechens, Ingush, their population was mostly cut out. Everyone remembers the villages of Samashkinskaya, Assinonvskaya, etc., where Russian soldiers fought in terrible battles with militants in 000. But after all, only 1995 before that they were powerful, prosperous, fast-growing, purely русские villages are a powerful barrier and defense of Russia. The mournful list goes on.
      Therefore, they were created by Lenin sovereign statesRepublics. By the way, after the creation of the Union in 1922, the territory of Belarus was doubled in 1924 — as a bag of potatoes was given to another part of Russia ...
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 25 October 2017 19: 21 New
        +4
        and the words "Russian"
        Now they’re not banning us, now Russians are ordered to be called Russians.
    3. Vend
      Vend 25 October 2017 10: 03 New
      +6
      The Bolsheviks had grandiose and positive plans, but the subsequent course of events showed that they were the same dreamers as the previous revolutionaries. But the Bolsheviks turned out to be more pragmatic and realistic, which led to many tough measures, but the country rose.
      1. creak
        creak 25 October 2017 10: 14 New
        +5
        Quote: Wend
        But the Bolsheviks turned out to be more pragmatic and realistic, which led to many tough measures,

        I'm sorry for Marx
        His ideas hit the Russian font
        Where the end justified the means
        And the funds ruined the goal
        It is well known where the road paved with good intentions leads ...
        1. Vend
          Vend 25 October 2017 10: 18 New
          +3
          Quote: ranger
          Quote: Wend
          But the Bolsheviks turned out to be more pragmatic and realistic, which led to many tough measures,

          I'm sorry for Marx

          Do not regret the burnt Russophobe.
        2. Tula gingerbread
          Tula gingerbread 25 October 2017 11: 46 New
          +4
          In politics, the goal always justifies the means. The Bolsheviks did not invent anything new here, they used old recipes.
      2. verner1967
        verner1967 25 October 2017 14: 51 New
        +4
        Quote: Wend
        the Bolsheviks turned out to be more pragmatic and realistic, which led to many tough measures, but the country rose.

        Yes, it rose after the devastation caused by the civil war and the mediocre government of the country. At the same time, millions of people died and hundreds of thousands went abroad. That's the merit of the Bolsheviks, they created the problem and courageously (over the corpses) overcame it.
        1. Tula gingerbread
          Tula gingerbread 25 October 2017 15: 56 New
          10
          The Bolsheviks did NOT create a civil war.
          1. Johns
            Johns 25 October 2017 18: 12 New
            +5
            Quote: Tula gingerbread
            The Bolsheviks did NOT create a civil war.

            You are right, you didn’t. They untied her. Prior to the coup, there was no Civil War in Russia. Although the bourgeois revolution took place in March 1917.
            1. Tula gingerbread
              Tula gingerbread 26 October 2017 16: 45 New
              +4
              And not untied. I am really right, but you are not. The Bolsheviks did not need a civil war, they needed it for those who wanted to regain the lost power.
              And it began not in the 18th year, but in the summer of the 17th. Or is the Kornilov rebellion not a manifestation of the Civil War? Of course I'm right, you can’t refute it.
              1. Ulan
                Ulan 26 October 2017 21: 10 New
                +3
                Absolutely right. The civil war began in the summer of the 17th and it was not the Bolsheviks that started it at all.
        2. Vend
          Vend 25 October 2017 16: 04 New
          +4
          Quote: verner1967
          Quote: Wend
          the Bolsheviks turned out to be more pragmatic and realistic, which led to many tough measures, but the country rose.

          Yes, it rose after the devastation caused by the civil war and the mediocre government of the country. At the same time, millions of people died and hundreds of thousands went abroad. That's the merit of the Bolsheviks, they created the problem and courageously (over the corpses) overcame it.

          If not for the Bolsheviks, then there would be no Russia. Victims of civilian life, famine, etc., are bad, but February brought the Bolsheviks to power. And when the Bolsheviks took power and faced with the rule of one hundred millionth Russia, they had to return to the methods of tsarist Russia. Create border troops. the army, the militia of the Cheka and the NKVD are all the organs that were the control that were. and did as they like to speak in punitive ways. Soldiers' committees were abolished; there is no place for democracy and verbiage in the army. Even shoulder straps instead of Kubariks were returned to 43, if I am not mistaken. You can continue for a long time.
          1. Johns
            Johns 25 October 2017 18: 13 New
            +2
            Quote: Wend
            Even shoulder straps instead of kubariki and they returned to 43, if not mistaken.

            What can I say, even Russia was returned. In December 1991
            True, this is no longer of their own free will. The situation forced.
            1. Vend
              Vend 25 October 2017 18: 25 New
              +5
              Quote: Johns
              Quote: Wend
              Even shoulder straps instead of kubariki and they returned to 43, if not mistaken.

              What can I say, even Russia was returned. In December 1991
              True, this is no longer of their own free will. The situation forced.

              I would say they didn’t return it, but about .. if.
              1. Johns
                Johns 25 October 2017 18: 58 New
                +3
                Quote: Wend
                I would say they didn’t return it, but about .. if.

                About ... whether the USSR. Which is not a pity, there he is dear. In turn, this allowed Russia to return. Which in itself is a positive point.
                1. Alexander Greene
                  Alexander Greene 25 October 2017 22: 02 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Johns
                  About ... whether the USSR. Which is not a pity, there he is dear. In turn, this allowed Russia to return. Which in itself is a positive point.

                  The USSR retained all the lands of Tsarist Russia; today, only one stump remains from it. Why is it positive. If you are so happy about this, then why did you run away under someone else's flag?
                  1. Vend
                    Vend 26 October 2017 09: 05 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    Quote: Johns
                    About ... whether the USSR. Which is not a pity, there he is dear. In turn, this allowed Russia to return. Which in itself is a positive point.

                    The USSR retained all the lands of Tsarist Russia; today, only one stump remains from it. Why is it positive. If you are so happy about this, then why did you run away under someone else's flag?

                    I would say not how much I saved, how many I returned in heavy battles with the Basmachi and other similar characters.
                2. zoolu350
                  zoolu350 26 October 2017 01: 53 New
                  +5
                  As I understand it, the Soviet Union did not allow you to become a nuisance, but the Russian Federation allowed. Really a positive moment.
                3. Vend
                  Vend 26 October 2017 09: 03 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Johns
                  Quote: Wend
                  I would say they didn’t return it, but about .. if.

                  About ... whether the USSR. Which is not a pity, there he is dear. In turn, this allowed Russia to return. Which in itself is a positive point.

                  I can not agree. When the regime collapses and, as a result, the country falls apart, there is no positive. When Czechoslovakia was divided into two states in a civilized manner, this was a positive moment. When China maintains a regime and the country moves on to other economic tracks, this is a positive moment.
                4. Ulan
                  Ulan 26 October 2017 21: 12 New
                  +3
                  What are you ,. scatter foreign lands. And if the Czech Republic back to Austria and say - there it is dear to her, because you’ll start to be indignant, hamlo.
                  The USSR is Russia, only under a different name and a different administrative division.
        3. Gardamir
          Gardamir 25 October 2017 19: 22 New
          +4
          Yes, it rose after the devastation caused by the civil war and the mediocre government of the country.
          And that in 1991, democrats came without a civil war, they created a devastation and still can’t get out.
          1. verner1967
            verner1967 25 October 2017 22: 12 New
            +4
            Quote: Gardamir
            And that the democrats came in 1991

            Yes, with party tickets and KGB certificates. And still sitting at the feeding trough
        4. Grenader
          Grenader 26 October 2017 14: 35 New
          +2
          Quote: verner1967
          Yes, it rose after the devastation caused by the civil war and the mediocre government of the country. At the same time, millions of people died and hundreds of thousands went abroad. That's the merit of the Bolsheviks, they created the problem and courageously (over the corpses) overcame it.

          Yes, there is a diagnosis. Are you by any chance not a mathildo fighter? Who started the civil war, isn't it General Krasnov? Have you heard anything about white terror? About mediocre leadership, this is to the emperor and his predecessors, in which hunger from crop failure regularly occurred, and the life expectancy of peasants was about 40 years.
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 27 October 2017 18: 12 New
            +2
            So these citizens have a strange course of time - since 1991, a lot of time has passed, but this is not enough to evaluate the result of activity ... and in 1917 they said that your government was in power tomorrow to restore the country and move forward and put an end to hunger ....
          2. verner1967
            verner1967 3 November 2017 18: 40 New
            +1
            Quote: Grenader
            in which hunger from crop failure regularly occurred, and the life expectancy of peasants was about 40 years.

            and you look at the frequency of famines from 20 to 39 years old and you will be surprised at all, and part of the famines was not caused by weather conditions. And the life expectancy of people also did not differ for the better.
    4. Finches
      Finches 25 October 2017 10: 15 New
      16
      And about the fact that Lenin was already a Jew? "From the Urals to the Yenisei, the people of Moses rule" laughing

      History clearly and unequivocally answered this question - a liberal-bourgeois coup was carried out in the interests of the Western Anglo-Saxon powers in order to get to the riches of the Russian Empire! Take and read the English and especially the American press of that time! Where the “purifying power of the liberal revolution” was welcomed and it was clearly indicated that only America was capable of controlling this “spike on clay feet” ... For this they overthrew, even the king-rag, but the legitimate ruler, the largest landowner of Russia, and the collapse of the state apparatus began, and then the collapse of the Great Empire, chaos and devastation began, to the delight of our overseas "partners" ... And the only force that, though somewhere valuable and some compromises, this decay has stopped! This power was Bolsheviks - like it or not, but it’s a historical fact! And there’s nothing to distort this fact for yourself or from lack of knowledge!
      1. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 25 October 2017 11: 14 New
        14
        Eugene, my respect! hi love Now, on the anniversary of the centenary of the Great October Socialist Revolution, so much dirt will be poured on it that my mother does not grieve! One trailer for the movie "Demon of Revolution" is worth it. Judging by the actors, the shit will be rare, with all the liberal myths about the Revolution, Lenin and the Bolsheviks. But it will be turned on the central channels, and even in the most pram-time, so that more gullible and poorly educated people believe that the events of October 1917 and the whole subsequent period of the construction of socialism are very bad, disgusting and disgusting. So that the younger generation did not even have a thought in their heads to change the current order in Russia. Our current capitalists are afraid that they are afraid of a repeat of October 1917.
        Yes, it is a pity in the current conditions it is hardly possible, and the new Lenin-Stalin on the horizon is somehow not visible. Some clowns around.
        There Ksyushad gathered for the presidency, with the slogan "Crimea is legally Ukrainian territory" ... What do you think are her chances to get at least 5% of the vote after that ?! I immediately recall Vladimir Semenovich with his immortal:
        We did not scandal -
        We lacked a leader:
        Real violent little -
        So there are no leaders.
        But to the machinations and ravings
        We have networks and ravings -
        And they won’t spoil our masses
        Evil machinations of enemies!
        These are their bad devils
        Bermuta water in the pond
        Churchill came up with it all
        In the eighteenth year! ... lol
        1. Finches
          Finches 25 October 2017 12: 03 New
          +4
          Diana love My regards! You are absolutely true in your assessments of what is happening today! Sobchak - this is the wildest farce of the liberal stratum of society - it is also directed against the rather liberal but statesman Putin, and not for, as many people think, you need to make a big top out of the country, like the Provisional Government from Russia in 1917, and then on a silver platter pass it on to your foreign owners ... In the 17th there was a force capable of stopping it, can there be such a force now ...? It’s not visible, unfortunately! That's why I am for GDP today! You may not like my conclusion, but if If you think about it, you will agree with me! hi
          1. Diana Ilyina
            Diana Ilyina 25 October 2017 12: 15 New
            +8
            You may not like my conclusion, but if you think about it, you will agree with me!
            Eugene, why not like it ?! I fully adhere to the same opinion. And for Putin I’m not because I love him just like that, but for the same reasons as you. Although liberal, he is a statesman. He was able to stop the Gorbachev-Yeltsin collapse, he kept the country on the verge of collapse, and note this with strong resistance from the oligarchy. May God grant him another term, and then bring up a worthy receiver.
            In my opinion, for today's Russia, the only form for the survival and building of a more or less fair society is a revolution from above. Because the revolution from below in the current conditions will lead to the complete collapse of Russia as such. The current Ruin will seem like flowers to us if the types of Aki Anal or Ksyushad come to power ... So God bless our president!
            1. Finches
              Finches 25 October 2017 12: 17 New
              +5
              Entirely and fully support! love It’s bad that even pro-communist-minded people, here in the VO this is clearly visible, they don’t understand this, they don’t understand that they are pouring water onto the mill precisely of the liberal-treacherous forces, when they advocate the withdrawal of GDP, they are controlled by the enemies of Russia and clap their hands, and they like small children ... Indeed, today the lower classes, after 25 years of destruction of education and total zombies, are simply not able to realize the deep philosophical idea of ​​Marxism-Leninism, where everything is laid out on the shelves, including the prerequisites for revolutionary changes in the country, which are now and in no mention, so there is nothing to build illusions!
              1. Finches
                Finches 25 October 2017 12: 29 New
                +3
                But from above, as you rightly noted, the chances increase and only when the GDP team is in power! It sounds like a paradox, but it is ... laughing
            2. zoolu350
              zoolu350 25 October 2017 18: 25 New
              +6
              Fiery Diana, I'm in a stupor. I understand that Edoluby and adherents of the KhPP believe in the tale that: "The king is good, the boyars are bad." But you should know that Putin is just a hired manager of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation with inflated PR for the media controlled by the oligarchy of the Russian Federation. Putin will not, the oligarchy of the Russian Federation will inflate the next "savior" with PR and put him in power as an iPhone in due time.
        2. verner1967
          verner1967 25 October 2017 15: 05 New
          +2
          Quote: Diana Ilyina
          Our current capitalists are afraid that they are afraid of a repeat of October 1917.

          So shock is not only afraid, or rather, not so much the capitalists, as the common people. Again decades of devastation to survive? No more experimenting!
          Quote: Diana Ilyina
          We lacked a leader:
          Real violent little -
          So there are no leaders.

          And the fact that you do not have a leader is good that there are few violent in the country, they were enough in the 17th.
          Something I do not understand, are you for Trotsky or for Stalin?
          Quote: Diana Ilyina
          One trailer for the movie "Demon of Revolution" is worth it. Judging by the actors, the shit will be rare, with all the liberal myths about the Revolution, Lenin and the Bolsheviks.
          1. Diana Ilyina
            Diana Ilyina 25 October 2017 15: 19 New
            10
            verner1967
            So I do not understand, are you for Trotsky or Stalin?
            I, for the Motherland, for Stalin!
            1. verner1967
              verner1967 25 October 2017 22: 14 New
              +1
              Quote: Diana Ilyina
              I, for the Motherland, for Stalin!

              But what about the "great October"?
              1. Ulan
                Ulan 26 October 2017 21: 18 New
                +4
                You are probably the only one who does not know that Stalin is also related to the October Revolution.
                1. verner1967
                  verner1967 3 November 2017 18: 41 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Ulan
                  Stalin is also related

                  that is, attitude, and revolution was created by Lenin and Trotsky, so hated by all
                  Quote: Ulan
                  do not know?
        3. Johns
          Johns 25 October 2017 18: 55 New
          +2
          Quote: Diana Ilyina
          Our current capitalists are afraid that they are afraid of a repeat of October 1917.

          "The current capitalists"? Where do you live, dear? In the Baltic states?
          If not, then another question, where did you see “the current fearful capitalists”? I want to note to you that the "capitalists" are found only in bourgeois society (under the capitalist system). In other OEF capitalists do not meet. Neither fearful nor brave. None.
      2. verner1967
        verner1967 25 October 2017 14: 58 New
        +3
        Quote: Finches
        Take and read the English and especially the American press of that time!

        You study the history of yellow newspapers, well, well ... but I recommend the tales of the peoples of the north lol
        1. Finches
          Finches 25 October 2017 15: 19 New
          +4
          laughing But are there other newspapers ... And the fairy tales of the peoples of the north are folk wisdom! Call forth, a ray with facts, not replicas!
          1. verner1967
            verner1967 25 October 2017 22: 16 New
            +1
            Quote: Finches
            Call forth ray of facts

            So what are the arguments, so are the facts
        2. Ulan
          Ulan 26 October 2017 21: 21 New
          +1
          Well, very smart tales and only very stupid people, to put it mildly stupid, they flock over them.
          You can immediately see those who did not read fairy tales in childhood, their intellect is flawed.
      3. Gardamir
        Gardamir 25 October 2017 19: 23 New
        0
        History clearly and unequivocally answered this question - the liberal-bourgeois coup was carried out in the interests of the Western Anglo-Saxon powers,
        All today, for some reason, write about 1991.
    5. Johns
      Johns 25 October 2017 14: 51 New
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      It is also possible to accuse Lenin of ties with the Germans, moreover, specifically pointing out the facts.

      And Ulyanov with his company drove the entire territory of Germany at war with Russia in a special car without any "ties with the Germans"?
      Quote: svp67
      and master the masses.

      Yeah. What they “possessed”, then “possessed”. According to the full program. And basically, behind.
      Where is that medieval bubonic plague.
      Quote: svp67
      But could he have acted differently at that moment?

      Could, of course. But he was sneezing for the interests of Russia; he completely abolished it. But his personal interests excited him very much.
      1. 27091965
        27091965 25 October 2017 17: 04 New
        +3
        Quote: Johns
        And Ulyanov with his company drove the entire territory of Germany at war with Russia in a special car without any "ties with the Germans"?


        I have always been interested in one question. As so many people, the list is published on the Internet, fit in one car. Probably you were driving? We must eat, drink, sleep, and there are all kinds of needs.
        Can you answer?
        1. Johns
          Johns 25 October 2017 18: 17 New
          +4
          Quote: 27091965i
          As so many people, the list is published on the Internet, fit in one car. Probably you were driving? We must eat, drink, sleep, and there are all kinds of needs.
          Can you answer?

          No I can not. But I can assume that there were several wagons. But Ulyanov, and it’s almost always talking about him, nevertheless rode in ONE sealed carriage. One of several.
          1. 27091965
            27091965 25 October 2017 18: 58 New
            +3
            Quote: Johns
            But Ulyanov, and it’s almost always talking about him, nevertheless rode in ONE sealed carriage.


            " During this trip, Lenin was given the opportunity to campaign among Russian prisoners of war in Germany.."

            What to do with a sealed wagon?

            " The route used by Lenin was then repeated by two more groups of Russian political emigrants organized by the Zurich Committee for the Evacuation of Russian Emigrants."

            Something a lot of cars turn out, do not seem to you.

            Of course, the German government would not have let Russian political emigrants through its territory if it had not hoped to derive political benefit from it. They believed that propaganda in favor of a peace was in his interest. "
            1. Johns
              Johns 25 October 2017 19: 03 New
              +4
              Quote: 27091965i
              Something a lot of cars turn out, do not seem to you.

              It does not seem. By the autumn of 1917 in Petrograd there were plenty of such riffraffers.
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        3. Karen
          Karen 25 October 2017 23: 47 New
          +1
          Quote: 27091965i
          Quote: Johns
          And Ulyanov with his company drove the entire territory of Germany at war with Russia in a special car without any "ties with the Germans"?


          I have always been interested in one question. As so many people, the list is published on the Internet, fit in one car. Probably you were driving? We must eat, drink, sleep, and there are all kinds of needs.
          Can you answer?

          I can answer.
          I don’t know which list you’re writing about on the Internet, but I condemn :)
          Soviet encyclopedias described the epic of fiery revolutionaries such as the Argonauts for the happiness of the Russian people in the amount of 32 goals ... It would not be difficult to put 32 subhuman into the car, especially since this was done in front of the emigrants who were seeing them off.
          When, after several years, non-party members disagreeing with the party’s general line began to ask for the names of two unlit revolutionaries from this stock, they began to write only about 30 goals of the Argonauts ...
          Then they began to boast of their heroism, and there was a leak of material that they were also given beer from the heat in the car ... then about the rest that Lenin was instructed separately in another car ...
          Stalin then corrected everything ... how to write in textbooks and what to say ...
      2. Ulan
        Ulan 26 October 2017 21: 24 New
        +1
        "Mostly behind"? . Nda young man, you obviously do not shine with upbringing, just like intellect. But hamovost and rushing.
    6. Bibliographer
      Bibliographer 25 October 2017 21: 25 New
      +3
      Lenin was already acting in this situation. And of the many bad decisions (and there were simply no good decisions in those conditions, they ended in February, six months before), I chose the least bad smelling one. And in this context, yes indeed - Glory to the CPSU
      1. Johns
        Johns 25 October 2017 21: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: Bibliographer
        they ended in February, six months before

        And what happened in February 1917? Oh yes, I remembered, one king passed the throne to another. But is this somehow very historically important?
        Quote: Bibliographer
        chose the least bad smelling.

        Do you think the coup "least smells bad"? Alas, your words smack of extremism. In my opinion.
        1. Ulan
          Ulan 26 October 2017 21: 29 New
          +1
          Whose coup d'état? Gentlemen from the Duma? Or coups smell differently.? And you obviously studied history from comics. The king could not transfer power to another king.
          Since there were no two kings in RI.
          The king abdicated in favor of his brother Michael, but he was the Grand Duke and not the king. He never became king, and he refused the throne.
          You would have learned a story. so as not to shame.
  2. Basil50
    Basil50 25 October 2017 07: 12 New
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    But another thing strikes me.
    Temporary in the best tradition carried out a coup. Blackmail forced the tsar to abdicate, and in order to gain a foothold in power, they began to prepare the dismemberment of RUSSIA. To legitimize the plans of their owners began to prepare * constituent assembly *.
    The Bolsheviks are still blamed on the dispersal * of the constituent assembly *, the refusal to fulfill the zones of occupation signed * temporary * and the subsequent expulsion of the invaders and their puppets.
    That’s how it is possible to put A..b brains to blame B AND LENIN and the Bolshevik parties that they not only created the SOVIET UNION practically on the ruins, managed to rebuild the country and save the RUSSIAN people from colonization?
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 25 October 2017 07: 42 New
      11
      Vasily50 !!!!! I will ask culturally ----- how can one make a mess of brains ?? Somehow it works out, what in our country, what in Ukraine ??
      The shortage, lack of food, then and then, uncertainty .... Everything that the Februaryists did was repeated in the 90s ..... Therefore, the brain fouling at all levels continues in different ways.
    2. Tula gingerbread
      Tula gingerbread 25 October 2017 11: 51 New
      10
      So no one did not disperse the founding. After the deputies from the Bolsheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries (if I am not mistaken) left the meeting, there was no quorum and the deputies could accept anything, but it was illegal.
      So Zheleznyak did not disperse anyone, just the soldiers wanted to eat and sleep.
      Nobody prevented the deputies from gathering the next day by renting another building, but without security.
      Are they gathered? No, they preferred to go home.
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 25 October 2017 12: 00 New
        +3
        Members * of the constituent assembly * in the Volga created * Komuch *. Terror and robberies were so massive that they were shot at the command of Kolchak.
        It was * Komuch * who introduced the advanced English * technology * - floating prisons. They were heated during filling, then they pumped water, corpses into the Volga, and the prison is again ready for use.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 25 October 2017 14: 12 New
        +3
        Quote: Tula gingerbread
        so no one overclocked the founding. After the deputies from the Bolsheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries (if I am not mistaken) left the meeting, there was no quorum and the deputies could accept anything, but it was illegal.

        poor Ulyanov: such an "iron and flawless" argument for overclocking did not occur to him request : poor, tired out, some non-divided (but it was necessary, in his opinion) party of the Social Revolutionaries .... But after 100 years (only something), the comrades finally thought up lol laughing
        1. Tula gingerbread
          Tula gingerbread 25 October 2017 15: 58 New
          +5
          Learn to express your thoughts in clear and concise language.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 26 October 2017 06: 31 New
            +1
            Quote: Tula gingerbread
            Learn to express your thoughts in clear and concise language.

            Learn understandl simple texts expressed in clear and concise language.
            1. Tula gingerbread
              Tula gingerbread 26 October 2017 16: 48 New
              +2
              It is only for the illiterate they are clear and precise. You are 0, I am 3. I am right.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 27 October 2017 07: 44 New
                +1
                Quote: Tula gingerbread
                It’s only for the illiterate, they are clear and precise

                Do you even hear yourself? fool For the illiterate, there is nothing clear or obscure ...
      3. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 25 October 2017 16: 31 New
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        Oh really? Nobody overclocked? And nobody signed the decree on dissolution, which de facto declared the usurpers to not recognize the decisions of the Constitutional Council?
        https://ru.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Декрет_о_роспуск
        e_constitutional_ assembly
        Deputies could gather as much as they like anywhere, only the Bolshevik clique by this decree declared ignoring the will of the nation. The proof of this is the killing of the leaders of the Cadet party, Shingarev and Kokoshin, and the shooting of demonstrations in support of the CSS. The power was usurped by murderers and bandits, who could only be fought with force of arms.
        1. Ulan
          Ulan 26 October 2017 21: 31 New
          +2
          Will of the nation? Is this a joke? What were the direct and general elections to the Constituent Assembly?
  3. Korsar4
    Korsar4 25 October 2017 07: 18 New
    +4
    Unfortunately, October is a continuation of February. Just replacing the vile pages of history with scary-bloody ones. In the details, and varieties of betrayal of their country can be understood indefinitely. However, quarrel on this topic is also very easy.
    1. venaya
      venaya 25 October 2017 10: 38 New
      +6
      Quote: Korsar4
      Unfortunately, October is a continuation of February.

      Absolutely correct remark! But then something unforeseen, unexpected, and unimaginable happened: V. Lenin intervened in the course of the “game” (I confess, not without assistants) and their whole vile “game” went to dust - Russia (already under a different name) managed by 1922– Moo year to defend their own independence. How did it happen? “More and deeper research is required here.”
    2. Selevc
      Selevc 25 October 2017 11: 15 New
      +1
      Unfortunately, October is a continuation of February.
      No, don’t tell me ... The events of February 1917 are the culmination of the entire 1st World ... Isn’t the obvious obvious - the enemy countries in the 14th year (hoping for a quick end to the war) used traditional methods of warfare and fell into a positional dead end, in the 15th 16th all sorts of technical innovations were used (tanks, gases, submarines, airships) but this did not fundamentally change the course of the war, and in the 17th year the war went completely wrong - the enemy countries tried to shatter and destroy the enemy’s rear and power vertical (in today's fashionable term) ... This explains the mysterious temporary "fraternities" on fronts - when the enemies suddenly became friends by magic and then again as if nothing had happened continued to kill each other - during these same fraternities spies were delivered to the enemy’s camp, corrupting the masses of political literature and suicidal ideas - such as “Lift our bayonets on our own capitalists ... "
      Russia first fell from a superweapon - revolution ... Then this weapon returned in a boomerang and destroyed Autro-Hungary and Germany ... Germany would have fought again - they had attacked in 1918 but the rear had collapsed, the government had collapsed, the Kaiser had renounced - and Kaiser Germany she lost the war, having died from a chain of revolutions which she herself provoked in 1917 !!!

      No one held the king on the throne by the hands and feet - there were problems with his son (heir) - so Peter killed his son for the sake of his work !!! What !!! And Nikolai tried to save his son, but he ruined the state, and with it both himself and his family !!!
      1. venaya
        venaya 25 October 2017 12: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: Selevc
        Russia first fell from a superweapon - revolution ... Then this weapon returned in a boomerang and destroyed Autro-Hungary and Germany ... Germany would have fought again - they had attacked in 1918 but the rear had collapsed, the government had collapsed, the Kaiser had renounced - and Kaiser Germany she lost the war, having died from a chain of revolutions which she herself provoked in 1917 !!!

        I am very saddened by your understanding of the origins and customers and revolutions and wars. GI - absolutely nothing to do with it, customers usually sat across the ocean (puddle). The GI did not lose the war and the Kaiser did not renounce at all, it was simply “renounced” for a while, while not legally signing the “world” humiliating in all laws and concepts. They taught us to look for the culprits where, by definition, they cannot be, which is not surprising in view of the fact that the "historians" and the media, for financial reasons, work just for those who ordered this whole "brothel". It’s difficult, it’s very difficult for me to explain all this, many are too zombified by the propaganda of precisely those who ordered all this disgrace and paid and paid ("everything has been seized, everything has been paid for"), it’s a pity that few people still understand this. I think that in this regard we still have to work and work, preferably as many people as possible, otherwise there’s no" good luck ".
        1. Selevc
          Selevc 26 October 2017 11: 52 New
          0
          Quote: venaya
          I am very saddened by your understanding of the origins and customers and revolutions and wars. GI - absolutely nothing to do with it, customers usually sat across the ocean (puddle).

          But I am saddened by your shortsightedness - who let Lenin and other dissidents into Russia in the 17th? Maybe the British with the Americans? No, the same Kaiser let me go !!! He supported the cause of the revolution itself - but did not think that an answer would come from Russia in the 18th year ...
          Quote to topic: The November Revolution in Berlin and other German cities took Emperor Wilhelm by surprise while he was at the headquarters of the imperial army in Spa (Belgium). Going to the side of the revolutionaries of his beloved Navy deeply shocked him. After the revolution began, the emperor tried to organize an armed suppression of unrest by the army
          and more The next day, November 10, the former emperor crossed the border of the Netherlands, where he found himself the last refuge in exile.
          That is, the Republic was proclaimed on the 9th and the 10th Kaiser has already washed off !!! Yes, the Kaiser just draped from the revolution - carried away sparkling heels !!! This is just a historical SHAME !!! This is the main reason for the defeat of Germany in the 1st World War - the Socialist Revolution in Germany in 1918 !!! Not without reason Hitler then said that the Communists stabbed in the back of Germany in the 18th year !!!
          Naturally, England and America appropriated after the war all the laurels of the winners themselves !!! Doesn’t look like anything?
          1. Pancir026
            Pancir026 26 October 2017 11: 57 New
            +2
            Quote: Selevc
            And I'm saddened by your shortsightedness

            Sir, you there in Ukraine in your foresightedness have already exceeded the expectations of all the doctors from the profile institution named after Kashchenko.
            Quote: Selevc
            No, the same Kaiser let me go !!! The very cause of the revolution and supported

            Exactly? And how is this confirmed? The arguments of the ruin scientists are not to be proposed of dubious sense.
            Quote: Selevc
            Not without reason Hitler then said that the Communists stabbed in the back of Germany in the 18th year !!!

            Well, yes, yes, yes, but your Bandera is all.
  4. Sergey-svs
    Sergey-svs 25 October 2017 07: 28 New
    16
    But there were also "agents of influence" of the West, the so-called. Trotskyists-internationalists led by Trotsky, Sverdlov and others, who were supposed to complete the looting and pogrom of Russian civilization, to finish off Russia.

    Able Comrade Stalin quickly and quickly solve the problems! yes That was a truly "effective manager." good Notice how his words are still very relevant:
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 25 October 2017 07: 46 New
      +6
      These words of Stalin would be good for everyone to memorize !!!!!!! For eternal times warning.
    2. zoolu350
      zoolu350 25 October 2017 18: 36 New
      +4
      Stalin knew what the “February restoration” in the USSR would lead to and did not allow this. The way out of the situation where we drove ourselves in 1991 one, new october 20 ...
  5. Alex_59
    Alex_59 25 October 2017 07: 35 New
    11
    100 years ago, 25 October 1917, the Bolsheviks eliminated the February project to destroy the Russian civilization and the Russian people. According to the plans of the masters of the West (Britain, the USA and France), the feudalist Westerners were to destroy not only the autocracy and liquidate the project of the Romanovs, but also to destroy Russia itself as a unique civilization separate from the Western world.
    Brevity is the soul of wit. The author said absolutely everything in two sentences, you can not read further, the author is a genius. A set of cliches, stereotypes and stamps are predictable, as are the contents of the comments. Now the monarchists are raiding and throwing tons of their crazy stamps and stereotypes in order to balance the crazy stamps and stereotypes of the author of the article. A sleep of reason, in which I have become boring.
    1. Tula gingerbread
      Tula gingerbread 25 October 2017 11: 55 New
      +7
      Be sure to run, they have in their brains, only footman-junkers and a crunch of French rolls, and of course Schubert's waltzes.
      True, I doubt that any of them can dance a waltz. Not ... they are not suitable as monarchists, send everyone to dance studios, learn to waltz. smile
      1. Koshnitsa
        Koshnitsa 25 October 2017 12: 17 New
        +3
        In, I approve! Monarchists in dance studios and crunch urban bagel for 6 cents Brezhnev.
        And the defenders of the Great October Revolution slurp the balance sheet and felled! laughing
        It’s a joke, live longer comrades, it’s cheaper.
        1. Tula gingerbread
          Tula gingerbread 26 October 2017 16: 49 New
          +2
          I don’t mind, but let them learn to dance the waltz. Junkers at balls with beautiful women knew how to dance a waltz. smile
          1. Ulan
            Ulan 26 October 2017 21: 37 New
            +2
            Although I am not a monarchist, I am also able. My sister taught, she went to a ballet studio, and there was no one to train at home with.
            It made me, for which I am sincerely grateful to her.
            but at the dances, when everyone was just twitching, when I played the waltz. could go and invite a girl. It acted irresistibly.
            Only very long ago it was 40 years ago.
            But I still dance a waltz on occasion at corporate parties. smile
  6. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 25 October 2017 07: 57 New
    +6
    Quote: Vasily50
    That’s how it is possible to put A..b brains to blame B AND LENIN and the Bolshevik parties that they not only created the SOVIET UNION practically on the ruins, managed to rebuild the country and save the RUSSIAN people from colonization?

    How, how! To do this, entire ideological departments have been working intensively for 26 years only in Russia. At its very center in the Kremlin. Not to mention abroad .. Yes, it just works the other way around. The people see their “activity” on themselves and feel on their in the skin.
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    1. Boris55
      Boris55 25 October 2017 08: 53 New
      +5
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      ... if the Bolsheviks ... unleashed an unprecedented terror ...

      Not the Bolsheviks, but the Trotskyists. The Bolsheviks stopped this terror. And in general - do not interfere with different periods of our history in one heap.
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 25 October 2017 09: 34 New
        19
        Oh really? And the "comrade Lenin", who signed the decree on red terror, was also a "Trotskyist." But what about “Comrade Stalin”, who signed under the decisions on “collectivization” and the creation of “NKVD triples”, was he also ... a “Trotskyist”?
        PS In the USSR, any repressions against dissidents stopped only with the beginning of perestroika. So, according to your logic, the Bolsheviks were the leaders of perestroika, and everything before them were “Trotskyists”, so it turns out?
        1. venaya
          venaya 25 October 2017 10: 51 New
          +8
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          But what about “Comrade Stalin”, who signed under the decisions on “collectivization” and the creation of “NKVD triples”, was he also ... a “Trotskyist”?

          But indeed, it was precisely the Trotskyists who carried out collectivization, Stalin was forced to yield to them, at that moment he had no other acceptable way out. By the way, in the USA, the same "Trotskyists" carried out almost the same "collectivization", and thanks to truly American famine up to 12 million innocent Americans were destroyed. And something almost all about it stubbornly still silent? Some truly "mutual responsibility", do not you find? By the way, about the "triples" - Stalin himself was not in hard labor by the decision of the court, but by the decision of a tsarist "troika" similar to that of the tsar. And why is everyone also silent about this?
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 25 October 2017 11: 46 New
            +3
            Quote: venaya
            and thanks to truly American famine, up to 12 million were destroyed

            study
            Report of the Central Statistical Bureau of the USSR, Institute of Economics of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR and Institute of Nutrition of the Academy of Medical Sciences of the USSR HA Bulganin on the level of consumption of basic food and industrial goods in the USSR per capita

            3th of October 1955
            OWL. SECRET.
            .
            According to which in these 30 years of the "famine" of the United States lol Americans ate meat more in 4 times, eggs in 6 timessugar in 8 times. 2,5 times more milk, etc., than ours in 1937, in which no one, as it were, died of hunger here.
            1. venaya
              venaya 25 October 2017 12: 19 New
              +3
              Quote: Olgovich
              .. in these 30 years "famine"US Americans ate meat more ..

              And I do not write about all the "Americans", I write about the targeted famine of only a certain part of the US population. It doesn’t matter that someone fattened and threw food into the sea with whole steamers, because remember - they bought only bread and other food products from us, while refusing to sell gold, for example. Maybe you haven’t heard anything about it, or at point blank range you don’t want to hear?
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 25 October 2017 14: 04 New
                +3
                Quote: venaya
                And I do not write about all the "Americans", I write about the targeted famine of only a certain part of the population of the United States. It doesn’t matter that someone fattened and threw food into the sea with whole steamersA.

                what are these common words for? Someone ate 8 times more sugar, 4 times more meat and the rest died out? What are you talking about? You argue with the NUMBERS. Soviet
                by the way.
                Quote: venaya
                remember, they only bought bread and other food products from us, while refusing to trade gold for example. Maybe you haven’t heard anything about it, or at point blank range you don’t want to hear?

                this is to the "famine" of the United States which side? belay
          2. Tula gingerbread
            Tula gingerbread 25 October 2017 12: 31 New
            +4
            At that time, the "troika" were a legal judicial authority. Yes, according to those laws and trying on them current laws is wrong.
            they were created in connection with the specific situation in the country and were immediately eliminated when the situation changed.
          3. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 25 October 2017 14: 45 New
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            Quote: venaya
            verily American famine destroyed up to 12 million

            Here's how interesting it turns out: in the memoirs of contemporaries there is no mention of mass mortality from starvation in those years in America; no archives; in the newspapers - not either. And in your speech some kind of "famine in America" ​​appears. Have you accidentally mixed up the real story with althistory? wink
            Quote: venaya
            Stalin was imprisoned not by court order, but by decision of a tsarist troika similar to the tsar.

            Sorry, but this is incorrect information. He was not sent to hard labor, but sent to exile. Link means living in a specific place under the supervision of the police. And the decision to exile was made by the ranks of the police, not the "troika."
            1. Ulan
              Ulan 26 October 2017 21: 40 New
              +2
              That's it, not the courts, but the ranks of the police .Te. extrajudicial reprisal.
        2. Antianglosax
          Antianglosax 25 October 2017 12: 27 New
          +4
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          In the USSR, any repressions against dissidents stopped only with the beginning of perestroika.

          If by dissenters we mean, as it is, pests, traitors, traders, money-grubbers, then yes, the repressions stopped, unfortunately. That is why all this evil spirits climbed out of the cracks after perestroika. Yes, we still had dissenters, the so-called dissidents, on a western salary. Only these dissenters at all times lusted for Russia the collapse of the country or the deflection to the west. Enemies do this. The Soviet Union ruined, along with other reasons, a humane attitude towards disadvantaged enemies.
        3. Seamaster
          Seamaster 25 October 2017 14: 36 New
          +3
          In fact, the "Red Terror" was declared after the wound of Lenin and the assassination of Uritsky. And Lenin could not sign this decree, as he lay unconscious after being wounded.
          And before that, the Bolsheviks abolished the death penalty and released the rebel generals and officers on parole
          Lieutenant ..... are you a woman? (This is from the "Hussar Ballad").
          Or is it a victim of EGE? (this is from our reality).
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 25 October 2017 16: 58 New
            16
            Yes, I was mistaken with the decree. Ulyanov’s signature is not there; Bonch-Bruevich signed instead. https://ru.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Resolution_o_
            red_terror
            However, which is characteristic, Ulyanov, returning to a working state, did not object to this decree, and in his speeches and letters before the wound he spoke as the ideologist of terror. So the decree itself simply formalized the already existing practice of reprisals.
            1. Tula gingerbread
              Tula gingerbread 26 October 2017 16: 51 New
              +2
              And what did you have to surrender to the white terror?
      2. Koshnitsa
        Koshnitsa 25 October 2017 12: 41 New
        +2
        Everyone who served in the Red Army in the GV is a Trotskyist, he served Bronstein.
        1. sibiryouk
          sibiryouk 25 October 2017 14: 00 New
          +1
          Complete nonsense! They served in the Red Army at different times — N. Makhno, Grigoryev, Muravyov, Budyonny, Kotovsky, Zhukov. Were they also Trotskyists?
          1. Koshnitsa
            Koshnitsa 25 October 2017 14: 21 New
            0
            Naturally. Why did they serve at Trotsky?
            Decent people do not serve with Bronstein. They fought against him.
        2. Seamaster
          Seamaster 25 October 2017 14: 37 New
          +4
          And whoever served in the Russian army under Serdyukov is a furniture carpenter.
          1. Koshnitsa
            Koshnitsa 25 October 2017 14: 44 New
            0
            Serdyukov was not a politician, but was set up to rake the Augean stables, post-Soviet.
            And he did it successfully, he had mistakes - they were drummers and a poetess, but this is particular.
      3. sibiryouk
        sibiryouk 25 October 2017 14: 04 New
        +2
        Now Trotsky in a coffin was swollen from importance! How many adherents he had! Only one renegade with an ice ax was found.
        1. Koshnitsa
          Koshnitsa 25 October 2017 14: 20 New
          0
          Well, most of these individuals were scattered, few survived, but this is a flaw in the organs. Not more than that. And Lenin and Stalin served in the Red Army.
      4. sibiryouk
        sibiryouk 25 October 2017 14: 04 New
        0
        Now Trotsky in a coffin was swollen from importance! How many adherents he had! Only one renegade with an ice ax was found.
        1. Koshnitsa
          Koshnitsa 25 October 2017 16: 07 New
          +1
          Your fingers are stuck belay
      5. verner1967
        verner1967 25 October 2017 15: 21 New
        +4
        Quote: Boris55
        Not the Bolsheviks, but the Trotskyists. The Bolsheviks stopped this terror.

        Well, yes, first hurray, the Bolsheviks in the 17th raised power from the floor, saved Russia, and then suddenly, hop! and the Trotskyists, terror and other nightmares, and suddenly, once! somehow magically again the Bolsheviks are so red and fluffy, again they save Russia. Beauty, cho! It’s not funny for yourself?
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 25 October 2017 15: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: verner1967
          Well, yes, first hurray, the Bolsheviks in the 17 th raised power from the floor, saved Russia, and then suddenly, hop! and the Trotskyists,

          Learn the mathematical part. The Bolsheviks in the 17 were a small fraction of all members of the CPSU (b). Most of it belonged to the Trotskyists.
          1. Johns
            Johns 25 October 2017 21: 33 New
            +2
            Quote: Boris55
            Learn the mathematical part. The Bolsheviks in the 17 were a small fraction of all members of the CPSU (b). Most of it belonged to the Trotskyists.

            Just a PPC of some kind, not a comment.
            1. This very one (b) in the CPSU (b) does not mean what you think, but "Bolsheviks". Those. You say that in the 17th year of the Bolshevik Party the Bolsheviks themselves were a minority. Ingenious. You need immediately for the dissertation.
            2. "Trotskyists" in 1917 could not be by definition. There were none later. It’s just that in the 20s Dzhugashvili came up with such a universal “internal enemy”. In order to crack down on rivals. Not only the “Trotskyists" were there. Especially in honor were all sorts of "spies."
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 26 October 2017 07: 58 New
              +1
              Quote: Johns
              Those. You say that in the 17 year of the Bolshevik Party the Bolsheviks themselves were a minority.

              And you would have to immediately hit the keys, climb the Internet and clarify the essence of the issue. The Bolsheviks in the CPSU (b) there was a majority only after the "Stalinist draft" and before the end of the Second World War. After the Second World War, the Trotskyists again prevailed.
              1. verner1967
                verner1967 26 October 2017 09: 11 New
                +1
                Quote: Boris55
                After the Second World War, the Trotskyists again prevailed.

                So the Bolsheviks had party cards, organization, meetings, bureaus, assets, etc. You show me at least one party card "Trotskyist", well, just some mythical heroes
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 26 October 2017 10: 00 New
                  +1
                  Quote: verner1967
                  You show me at least one party card "Trotskyist",

                  Just as today the EP party at the beginning of the century was created by three different parties, in the WRC (b) there were both communist Trotskyists and Bolshevik communists. In addition to them, the CPSU (b) included representatives of other pre-revolutionary parties. In the end, find on the Internet the strength of the CPSU (b) before the revolution and after. And by the way - Trotsky was a member of the CPSU (b) and he had exactly the same party membership card as the Bolshevik Stalin, but they had completely different ideas about building a new life, just as Medvedev and Russia have an idea about the place of Russia in the world Putin's are very distinct hi
                  1. Ulan
                    Ulan 26 October 2017 21: 44 New
                    0
                    Yes, I do not understand. Or pretending not to understand. Trotskyism is not a party card, it is a belief. We are talking about Trotsky's supporters in the CPSU (B.) And not members of a Trotskyist party.
                  2. verner1967
                    verner1967 3 November 2017 18: 44 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Boris55
                    in WRC (b) there were both Communist Trotskyists and Communist Bolsheviks.

                    everything, you can not continue, there was no such fraction
                    Quote: Boris55
                    communist Trotskyists

                    Stalin invented all this to fight the most authoritative co-religionists
      6. Koshnitsa
        Koshnitsa 25 October 2017 19: 23 New
        0
        It is the same.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 25 October 2017 10: 32 New
      +5
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      About which "salvation" of Russian civilization can it be

      It was repeatedly suggested that this phrase be found in documents or at least speeches by the RSDLP leadership. But no ...- it doesn’t work out ..

      But they’re constantly encountering a “struggle with Great Russian chauvinism"and Russian
      "the so-called “Great” nation (although great only by its violence, great only as great holding) (Ulyanov)
      "Savior", yes ......
      1. Pancir026
        Pancir026 25 October 2017 14: 11 New
        +5
        Quote: Olgovich
        It was repeatedly suggested that this phrase be found in documents or at least speeches by the RSDLP leadership. But no ...- it doesn’t work out ..

        You do not succeed, you do not understand what you are discussing.
        Leader of the Right A.I. Guchkov, "we not only overthrew the bearers of power, we overthrew and abolished the very idea of ​​power, destroyed the necessary foundations on which all power is built." The fact that the Provisional Government, guided by the Western model of the liberal bourgeois state, destroyed the structures of Russia's traditional statehood, was also obvious to the liberals who came to power themselves. The French historian M. Ferro, referring to the recognition of AF, Kerensky, notes this destruction of Russian statehood as one of the most important phenomena of the February revolution. "
        Is it not clear to you that Mr. Chatterbox from Moldova?
        "The February revolution dealt a crushing blow to the army, the most important institution of the state. On March 2, 1917, the secretary of the Central Executive Committee of the Petrograd Soviet of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies, lawyer N.D. Sokolov (who, like A.F. Kerensky, was one of the leaders of Russian Freemasonry in those years ) prepared and brought to the newly created Provisional Government the well-known Order No. 1. The order provided for the election of committees from the lower ranks in the troops, the seizure of weapons from the officers and their transfer to the control of the committees, the establishment of unlimited “freedom” of the soldier. destruction of the army, Having become Minister of War, Kerensky issued a similar order, known as the “Declaration of the Rights of a Soldier.” In July, General A.I. Denikin declared: “the military legislation of recent months has destroyed the army”
        And here, what is not clear to you?
        The Soviets grew out of peasant ideas about the right power. A researcher of the Russian peasantry AB Chayanov wrote: “The development of state forms does not follow a logical, but a historical path. Our regime is the Soviet regime, the regime of peasant councils; "In the peasant milieu, this regime basically already existed long before October 1917 in the management system of cooperative organizations."
        What is not clear here?

        In general, you would be silent, would be engaged in your Moldova, where you manage to declare the incumbent president incapable of holding an outspoken Westerner in the Ministers of Defense.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 25 October 2017 14: 27 New
          +3
          Quote: Pancir026
          In general, you would be silent, would be engaged in your Moldova, where you manage to declare the incumbent president incapable of holding an outspoken Westerner in the Ministers of Defense.

          My friend, once again I propose to find the phrase "salvation" in documents or at least speeches of the leadership of the RSDLPB Russian civilization, which the author mentions many times.
          Quote: Pancir026
          what is not clear to you here?
          lol
          Instead, copy someone else's thoughts
          Quote: Pancir026
          Mr. Chatterbox

          lol
          1. Ulan
            Ulan 26 October 2017 21: 47 New
            0
            To save a drowning man, you first need to hang ads on all the posts? So he will not wait, he will drown.
            They saved the country, and this was taken for granted, to try it for nothing.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 27 October 2017 07: 49 New
              +1
              Quote: Ulan
              They saved the country, and it was taken for granted to try it for nothing

              They saved their POWER and MYSELF, while continuously cracking about the world revolution
          2. Alexander Greene
            Alexander Greene 26 October 2017 22: 41 New
            0
            Quote: Olgovich
            I suggest finding in the documents or at least speeches of the leadership of the RSDLPB the phrase “salvation” of Russian civilization,


            Read the work of V.I. Lenin "A threatening disaster and how to deal with it." September 10-14 (23-27), 1917 - V.I. Lenin, teaching staff, T.34, S.151-199,
        2. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 25 October 2017 15: 01 New
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          Quote: Pancir026
          Leader of the Right A.I. Guchkov

          Guchkov. The leader of the liberal party "Union of October 17" is right !? Then everything is clear with you. You talk about events and people, completely unaware of the topic.
        3. verner1967
          verner1967 25 October 2017 15: 32 New
          +4
          Quote: Pancir026
          brought to the newly created Provisional Government the famous Order No. 1. The order provided for the election of committees from the lower ranks in the troops, the seizure of weapons from officers and their transfer to the control of the committees

          Well, it wasn’t possible to destroy the army with one order, this order fell on loose soil and the Bolshevik agitators loosened it, in the soldier’s committees where the weapons were handed over and which they decided to fight or not, were the emissaries of Bolsheviks ruled?
          1. Grenader
            Grenader 26 October 2017 14: 24 New
            0
            Quote: verner1967
            Well, it wasn’t possible to destroy the army with one order, this order fell on loose soil and the Bolshevik agitators loosened it, in the soldier’s committees where the weapons were handed over and which they decided to fight or not, were the emissaries of Bolsheviks ruled?

            The soil was puffed up by the "talented" command of the troops in the Russo-Japanese war and not less brilliant in World War I. The soldiers began to die for the interests of others without the slightest success on the fronts. Economics R.I. the first died in the war, the second died the German economy.
            1. verner1967
              verner1967 3 November 2017 18: 45 New
              +1
              Quote: Grenader
              Economics R.I. the first died in the war, the second died the German economy.

              the most interesting thing is that the economy of these empires just rose in this war
          2. Ulan
            Ulan 26 October 2017 21: 50 New
            +1
            Mostly not Bolshevik. Read Denikin.
            Both fraternization and mass desertion began long before the Bolsheviks appeared in the soldiers' committees. Moreover, there were a minority of them there.
    3. Tula gingerbread
      Tula gingerbread 25 October 2017 12: 10 New
      12
      The simple question is, are you strong in agriculture? How could one take into account the results of labor on artels and collective farms?
      Did individual peasants receive a salary during the year? By the way, before the war in the USSR, there were up to 2 million of them. Do you know that peasant labor is seasonal?
      Those who do not understand anything in rural labor and that the salary on the collective farm could be set only if the products were produced and sold year-round write in a negative way about "work-sticks".
      That is, there was a monthly, year-round income.
      Perhaps this was provided in the early years of debugging collective farm production?
      Or is there such a genius that it could?
      Alas, accounting for workdays appeared, precisely because another at that time was impossible.
      That's when they appeared on the collective farms of production, which gave products constantly, and not seasonally. animal husbandry, poultry farming, when premises were built to store grain and vegetable products to sell products year-round, when their bakeries appeared, etc.
      And then the opportunity arose to reward for work in banknotes.
      And some present this system of payment in workdays as a whim of the “damned commies” who did not want to pay money to collective farmers.
      Alas, this is not so; everything new requires debugging and the accumulation of experience.
      1. Koshnitsa
        Koshnitsa 25 October 2017 12: 20 New
        +4
        In Estonia, 5 rubles of money, 2 kilograms of grain, 5 kg of potatoes were paid per workday, and in the neighboring Pskov region 100 grams of grain, 10 kopecks of money and so on.
        Such is justice.
        1. Tula gingerbread
          Tula gingerbread 26 October 2017 16: 52 New
          +2
          I am not talking about this, but about HOW then it was possible to take into account labor with the seasonality of peasant labor.
          1. Ulan
            Ulan 26 October 2017 21: 50 New
            +1
            They kind of chewed and put it in their mouth. All the same, these gentlemen did not understand anything.
      2. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 25 October 2017 15: 50 New
        16
        Quote: Tula gingerbread
        How could one take into account the results of labor on artels and collective farms?


        Easy and simple, as is done on farms and cooperatives. And nobody uses "workdays" there. Despite the seasonality of work.
        1. Tula gingerbread
          Tula gingerbread 26 October 2017 16: 53 New
          +2
          I don’t see the answer. "Just" is not the answer. So how does this happen on farms? Rather, what happened at that time?
        2. Ulan
          Ulan 26 October 2017 22: 01 New
          +1
          Very interesting. And how is this done in farms, given that before the revolution and in the 20s, there were no farmers in Russia, and in the west, farms took centuries and decades to develop, and in Russia the multi-year problem of hunger had to be solved in a few years, creating large commodity production.
          I, too, like the Tula gingerbread, do not see the answer.
          So, Russian peasants, both before the revolution and in the 20s, received income only after the end of field work and harvesting.
          Part of it was put aside for seeds and personal consumption until the so-called “novins,” that is, a new crop., Part was sold and received money for the purchase of agricultural implements, fabrics, shoes, etc.
          What was enough money for.
          In winter, many were engaged in latrine construction workers, hunting, etc.
          So you don’t know anything about peasant labor, you don’t know anything elementary, and therefore you couldn’t answer Tula gingerbread.
          So when the collective farm was developing, which is the collective farm, there was simply no other way to account for the labor of each member of the collective.
          Until the year-round income and the opportunity to take a loan for a future crop.
          Then they began to pay wages, and not pay products for each worked workday, after harvesting.
  8. Freeman
    Freeman 25 October 2017 09: 20 New
    +3
    According to the plans of the owners of the West (England, the USA and France), the Westernists-the West were to destroy not only the autocracy and liquidate the Romanovs project, but destroy Russia itself as a unique civilization separate from the Western world.

    However, there were people who decided to take power into their own hands ... These were the Bolsheviks, the Russian Communists.

    the Bolsheviks were not united ... "agents of influence" of the West, the so-called. Trotskyists-internationalists led by Trotsky, Sverdlov and others, who were supposed to complete the looting and pogrom of Russian civilization, to finish off Russia.

    That is, the "agents of the influence of the West", Trotskyists-internationalists, destroyed the "agents of the West" of the February Westerners.
    Is it like “Your own unknowing and beating”?
    Tired of hearing that the notorious "hand of the West" is to blame for all our internal troubles. It turns out that we are so stupid and lazy that we are not able to arrange a "good weld" ourselves.
    Threat. It is strange that the author, having started a series of articles about the internecine strife of the Rurikovich, did not find the "hand of the West" there either.
    1. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 25 October 2017 09: 28 New
      17
      Mr. Volnoper, I drew attention to the fact that the person writing under the name "Alexander Samsonov" is fixated on the conspiracy thesis that some "masters of the West" are building terrible bloody intrigues against the Aryan (???) peoples in order to enslave everything humanity. He does not give clear evidence, only slogans in the style of Dugin and Prokhanov.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 25 October 2017 15: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        ... I drew attention to the fact that ... some "masters of the West" are building terrible bloody intrigues ...

        "Practice is the criterion of truth". Swedes, French, Germans, NATO .... what do you think - are we hitting them or are they hitting us?
        1. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 25 October 2017 16: 43 New
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          Practice shows that Europeans fought with each other much more often and bloody than with each other. There are statistics of losses of Russian troops for the 18-19 centuries:
          The losses incurred (by those killed and dead from illness), which are for the 130th – 50th centuries. quite well known, they also give an idea of ​​"priorities". Swedish wars of the 120th – 460th centuries Russia cost about 760 thousand people, Polish - less than 740 thousand, participation in the Seven Years War - 150 thousand, in Napoleonic Wars - about 30 thousand (total about 145 thousand). At the same time, at least 10 thousand people died in Turkish wars alone, in expeditions in the Caucasus, Central Asia and Iranian wars in the 60th century. 51 thousand, in the Iranian wars of the XIX century. not less than 1140 thousand, in the Caucasian wars of the XIX century. - XNUMX, in Central Asia - about XNUMX thousand, in Siberia and the Far East - about XNUMX thousand (including XNUMX thousand in the Russo-Japanese War), i.e. total on the southern and eastern borders of approximately XNUMX thousand people.

          And about the losses of European countries:
          Accordingly, human losses (those killed and died from wounds and illnesses) suffered by European countries in the wars with Russia (85% of them fell to the participation of Russia in European coalitions) accounted for an extremely insignificant part - about 10% of their total losses during this time (approximately 140 thousand in the XVIII and 760 thousand in the XIX centuries of 7,8 million of all losses over these centuries). While in wars among themselves, European states lost in the 2,6th century. over 3,8 million people., in the XVIII century. - about 3,1 million and in the XIX century. over XNUMX million people

          So the picture called “the evil West wants to enslave and destroy us” does not work, if I wanted to, the dynamics of the losses would be completely different.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 25 October 2017 17: 56 New
            +4
            Everything is clear with you:
    2. Tula gingerbread
      Tula gingerbread 25 October 2017 12: 16 New
      +6
      However, one must be objective and deny that the West had a hand in the revolutions in Russia, is stupid.
      The fact that England in every possible way contributed to the overthrow of the monarchy in the Republic of Ingushetia is a fact.
      Now I don’t remember who, but one of the Empress’s maids of honor in her notes in exile in France, recalled that conspirators from the Duma constantly ran to the English Embassy for consultations and instructions.
      Do not remind who said in England after the abdication of the king, is one of the goals of this war achieved?
      So the "hand of the west" has greatly contributed. Maybe you don’t remember the intervention? Whose hand was that? Martian?
      Of course, we did all this with our own hands, but the West also contributed a lot, and by the way, has anything changed today and they have ceased to meddle in our affairs?
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 25 October 2017 16: 15 New
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        Quote: Tula gingerbread
        that England in every possible way contributed to the overthrow of the monarchy in RI is a fact.

        Of course, a fact. But England is not the whole West, but the British elite is not the "masters of the West." And the revolution was not organized to enslave someone, but to eliminate a geopolitical rival, since the victorious Russia in the war became strong enough to threaten Britain in a real and effective way in case of a possible conflict.
  9. A.V.S.
    A.V.S. 25 October 2017 09: 24 New
    +5
    Samsonov is burning with fervor. I have the impression that I hear Prokhanov or Zhirinovsky.
  10. solzh
    solzh 25 October 2017 09: 29 New
    +5
    The author is right. It was the Februaryists and their western masters who tried to ruin the empire. The Bolsheviks saved Russia by federalizing the country. If the Bolsheviks had not won, Russia would have left only Muscovy. All of Russia was subject to partition between countries participating in the Entente.
    PS At the end of last year, this topic was already discussed on the portal https://topwar.ru/105644-2017-sto-let-spustya.htm
    l
    1. Tula gingerbread
      Tula gingerbread 25 October 2017 12: 34 New
      +6
      The Provisional Government was the first to approve the self-determination of Poland and Finland. As stated - "treated with understanding."
      1. Koshnitsa
        Koshnitsa 25 October 2017 12: 43 New
        +6
        This is about nothing.
        Typical excuse. Ulyanov gave freedom to these entities, by order of his Berlin curators.
        1. solzh
          solzh 25 October 2017 14: 32 New
          +5
          There is a legend about the financing of the Bolsheviks by the Germans. This legend appeared in the summer of 1917, when the provisional government to neutralize the Bolsheviks in June-July 1917 took measures that would be called public relations today: this is how information about the financing of the RSDLP (b) by the German General Staff came into being (they even put several Bolsheviks on charges of treason ) The fake was sewn with white thread, but white enemies and counter-revolutionaries seized on it.
          The famous English spy George Hill, in his autobiographical book My Spy Life, tells who produced the fake Germans financing documents for the Bolsheviks. Hill was an ardent anti-communist and participated in several conspiracies against the Soviet government. So there is no reason to suspect Hill of sympathy for the Bolsheviks. The initiator of the legend that the Bolsheviks were agents of Germany was the Minister of Arms of France, Albert Thom, and the developer and performer was the captain of the French intelligence, Pierre Laurent. It was he who propagated in the summer of 1917 the idea of ​​the Germans using the Bolsheviks and Lenin personally as "paid German agents." The head of the counterintelligence of the Provisional Government, Boris Nikitin, helped him disseminate this information.
          1. Gopnik
            Gopnik 25 October 2017 14: 39 New
            +3
            In principle, the Germans gave the Bolsheviks money or not - the tenth matter. The main thing is that the Germans transported them to Russia, i.e. understood that the Bolsheviks would act in their interests. And if it’s also free, it’s doubly pleasant.
            1. Koshnitsa
              Koshnitsa 25 October 2017 16: 00 New
              +2
              It is, but it does not happen for free
            2. solzh
              solzh 25 October 2017 16: 12 New
              +4
              The Germans could not have interest in the Bolsheviks. The Bolsheviks at the time of the abdication of the king did not represent any political force. To say that Germany needed peace with Russia is ridiculous, since peace was needed primarily in Russia and its people, who did not understand why he was fighting the Germans.
              1. Koshnitsa
                Koshnitsa 25 October 2017 18: 05 New
                +2
                Since 1914, the Bolsheviks actively collaborated with the Germans, the people fought with Germany for their homeland.
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 25 October 2017 20: 28 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Koshnitsa
                  Since 1914, the Bolsheviks actively collaborated with the Germans, the people fought with Germany for their homeland.

                  It turned out to be fake ..
                2. Ulan
                  Ulan 26 October 2017 22: 05 New
                  +1
                  Not a single document confirming this nonsense exists.
              2. Gopnik
                Gopnik 26 October 2017 11: 38 New
                +2
                Quote: solzh
                since the world was needed primarily in Russia and its people, who did not understand why he was at war with the Germans.


                Well, yes, the people really needed to lose Ukraine, the Baltic states and Finland. And also to pour a piece of gold to the Germans.
                1. solzh
                  solzh 26 October 2017 20: 22 New
                  +1
                  Ukraine was deprived in 1991, as for Poland and Finland, and they were Russian? Or maybe we needed a massacre in Poland and Finland? At the expense of a little coin ... Where did the wood come from? What tale of Hans Christian Anderson?
                2. Ulan
                  Ulan 26 October 2017 22: 07 New
                  +1
                  And how does this relate to the world that the people of Russia needed? You put the cart before the horse, the world did not have to be furnished with similar conditions.
                  1. Gopnik
                    Gopnik 27 October 2017 12: 06 New
                    +1
                    It is not connected in any way, for they did not receive peace, but received a civil war for another 3 years
            3. mat-vey
              mat-vey 25 October 2017 16: 22 New
              +3
              The circumstances of this trip are still one of the most debated issues in the case of "German gold." Proponents of the version of Lenin as a German agent and revolution as a planned sabotage argue that the mere fact of the Bolsheviks passing through the territory of an enemy state is for them proof of their subversive activities. I must say that the Bolsheviks had already foreseen the possibility of such accusations. It is known that they did not make secrets from their passage, organizing it through a public committee, and drove at their own (!) Expense. Interestingly, after arriving in Stockholm, Lenin had to borrow money from the Russian consul. On the other hand, it is less known that there were several such cars, and with their help the Mensheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries — opponents of the Bolsheviks — also returned to Russia. Thus, through the territory of Germany, 500 political emigrants returned to Russia. In addition, as already mentioned, in the framework of international law, the car in which Lenin followed from one neutral country to another, retained the right of extraterritoriality and it was no coincidence that it was “sealed”.
              1. Gopnik
                Gopnik 26 October 2017 11: 40 New
                +1
                Quote: mat-vey
                On the other hand, it is less known that there were several similar wagons.


                Wouldn't it be difficult to name these "several more" cars?
            4. Tula gingerbread
              Tula gingerbread 26 October 2017 16: 55 New
              +2
              And can you bring the composition of those who rode in these cars? Bolsheviks alone? Did the Germans "understand"? And that someone promised them this? Do you have any documents?
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 27 October 2017 16: 05 New
                +1
                Lenin wagon


                Abramovich Maya Zelikovna
                Eisenbund Meer Kivovich
                Armand Inessa Fedorovna
                Goberman Mikhail Vulfovich
                Grebelskaya Fanya
                Kon Elena Feliksovna
                Konstantinovich Anna Evgenievna
                Krupskaya Nadezhda Konstantinovna
                Lenin (Ulyanov) Vladimir Ilyich
                Linde Johann-Arnold Johannovich
                Miringof Ilya Davidovich
                Miringof Maria Efimovna
                Mortochkina Valentina Sergeevna (wife of Safarov)
                Payneson Semyon Gershovich
                Pogosskaya Bunya Hemovna (with son Reuben)
                Ravich Sarra Nakhumovna
                Radek (Sobelson) Karl Bernhardovich
                Radomyslskaya Zlata Evnovna
                Radomyslsky-Zinoviev (Apfelbaum) Ovsha-Gershen Aronovich
                Radomyslsky Stefan Ovsheevich
                Rivkin Zalman-Burke Oserovich
                Rosenblum David Mordukhovich
                Safarov (Voldin) Georgy Ivanovich
                Skovno Abram Anchilovich
                Slyusareva Nadezhda Mikhailovna
                Sokolnikov (Diamond) Hirsch Yankelevich
                Suliashvili David Sokratovich
                Usievich Grigory Alexandrovich
                Kharitonov Moses Motkovich
                Tskhakaya Mikhail Grigorievich

                RSDLP

                Avdeev Ivan Ananievich (with wife and son)
                Axelrod Tovia Leizerovich (with wife)
                Pharmacist Joseph Vasilievich
                Asiriani Sosipatr Samsonovich
                Astrov (Hang) Isaac Sergeevich
                Baugidze Samuil Grigorievich
                Belenky
                Belenky Zakhary Davidovich (with wife and child)
                Bogrova Valentina Leonidovna
                Bronstein Roza Abramovna
                Vanadze Alexander Semenovich
                Voikov (Weiner) Pinhus Lazarevich
                Geronimus Iosif Borisovich
                Gersten
                Gishvaliner Petr Iosifovich
                Gogiashvili Polikarp Davidovich (with wife and child)
                Gohblit Matvey Iosifovich
                Gudovich
                Dobrovitsky Zakhary Leibovich
                Doidze Solomon Yassevich
                Zhvif (Makar) Semen Moiseevich
                Ioffe David Nakhumovich (with his wife)
                Kogan Vladimir Abramovich
                Kogan Israel Iremevich (with wife and child)
                Kopelman
                Christy Mikhail Petrovich
                Lebedev (Polyansky) Pavel Ivanovich (with wife and child)
                Levina
                Levin Iohim Davidovich
                Levitman Liba Berkovna
                Lunacharsky Anatoly Vasilyevich
                Lyudninskaya
                Manevich Abram-Evel Izrailevich (with wife)
                Manuilsky Dmitry Zakharovich
                Martov (Cederbaum) Julius Osipovich
                Martynov (Picker) Semen Yulievich (with wife and child)
                Mgeladze Vlasa Dzharismanovich
                Movshovich Moses Solomonovich (with wife and child)
                Muntyan Sergey Fedorovich (with his wife)
                Nazariev Mikhail Fedorovich
                Orgerovsky Mark (with wife and child)
                Orlov (Mender) Fedor Ivanovich
                Ostashkinskaya Roza Hirsch-Arapovna
                Pevzaya Victor Vasilievich
                Pshiborovsky Stefan Vladislavovich
                Plastinin Nikanor Fedorovich (with wife and child)
                Pozin Vladimir Ivanovich
                Rabinovich (Scenrer) Pilya Iosifovna
                Wrightman (with wife and child)
                Rosenblum German Haskelevich
                Rokhlin Mordha Wulfovich
                Ruzer Leonid Isaakovich (with his wife)
                Ryazanov (Goldendach) David Borisovich
                Sagredo Nikolai Petrovich (with his wife)
                Sadokaya Joseph Bezhanovich
                Semkovsky (Bronstein) Semen Yulievich (with his wife)
                Sokolinskaya Gitlya Lazarevna (with her husband)
                Sokolnikov (with a child)
                Stroeva
                Turkin Mikhail Pavlovich
                Finkel Moses Adolfovich
                Khaperiya Konstantin Alekseevich
                Shaykman Aaron Leibovich
                Shifrin Nathan Kalmanovich
                Erenburg Ilya Lazarevich

                BUND

                Abramovich (Rhine) Rafail Abramovich (with wife and two children)
                Alter Estera Izrailevna (with a child)
                Barak
                Boltin Leyser Haimovich
                Weinberg Markus Aaronovich
                Halperin
                Diment Leiser Nakhumovich
                Drankin Wolf Meerovich (with wife and child)
                Dreisenstok Anna Meerovna
                Zanin Mayrom Monashevich
                Idelsson Mark Linmanovich
                Ioffe Pincus Ioselevich
                Clavier Lev Solomonovich
                Office Samuel-Srul Davidovich
                Levit (Gellert-Levit) Eidel Meerovna (with a child)
                Lerner David
                Lipnin Judah Leibovich
                Lyubinsky Mechislav-Abram Osipovich (with wife and child)
                Luxembourg Moses Solomonovich
                Makhlin Taiva-Zeylik Zelmanovich
                Meerovich Movsha Gilelevich
                Nakhimzon Meer Itskovich
                Pinlis Meer Bentsianovich
                Rakov Moses Ilyich
                Rosen Chaim Judovich (with his wife)
                Svetitsky A.A.
                Skeptor Yakov Leibinovich
                Slobodsky Valentin Osipovich
                Tusenev Isaac Markovich
                Hefel Abram Yakovlevich
                Zuckerstein Solomon Srulevich (with two children)
                Scheinberg
                Sheinis Iser Haimovich

                Socialist Revolutionaries (Socialist Revolutionaries)

                Landless (Ustinov) Alexey Mikhailovich
                Belyaeva (Ures) Maria Alexandrovna (with a child)
                Bobrov (Natanson) Mark Andreevich (with his wife V.I. Alexandrova)
                Vesnstein Israel Aronovich
                Vinogradova Elizaveta Ievrovna
                Gavronsky Dimitri Osipovich
                Dakhlin David G. (with wife and child)
                Hookah Evgenia Nikolaevna
                Klyushin Boris Izrailevich (with wife)
                Levinzon Meer Abramovich (with wife and child)
                Lunkevich Zoya Pavlovna
                Perel Rebekah
                Proshyan Tron Pershovich
                Rosenberg Lev Iosifovich (with wife and two children)
                Ulyanov Grigory Karlovich
                Tendelevich Leonid Abramovich (with wife and two children)
                Freifeld Lev Vladimirovich (with wife and child)

                Anarcho-Communists

                Butsevich Alexander Stanislavovich
                Vyugin Yakov (with wife and children)
                Giterman Abram Moiseevich (with wife and child)
                Goldstein Abram Borisovich
                Lipditz. Olga (with a child)
                Maximov (Yastrzhembsky) Timofey Fedorovich
                Miller Abram Lipovich (with wife and two children)
                Rivkin Abram Yakovlevich
                Rubinchik Efraim-Abram Aronovich
                Segalov Abram Vulfovich (with his wife)
                Skutelsky Joseph Isaakovich
                Toybiseman Vetya Izrailevna
                Shmulevich Esther Isaakovna
                Justin David

                Social Democrats of the Kingdom of Poland and Lithuania

                Goldblum Roza Mavrikievna
                Urban Ernst Ivanovich (with wife and child)
                Schuster Ivan Germanovich

                Polish Socialist Party

                Kon Felix Yakovlevich (with daughter and son-in-law)
                Lapinsky (Levinson) Meer Abramovich
                Shpakovsky Jan-Ignatius Alexandrovich

                Poalei ционion (Zion workers)

                Volovnina Alassa Ovseevna
                Cara

                Zionist Socialists

                Dines Rivka Haimovna
                Rosenberg Lev Iosifovich

                Social Democratic Party of Lithuania

                Martna Mikhail Yuryevich

                other

                Averbukh Shmul-Leiba Iosifovich
                Balabanova Angelika Isaakovna
                Braginsky Monus Osipovich
                Goniondsky Joseph Abramovich
                Siefeld Arthur Rudolfovich
                Karadzhay Georgy Artemievich (with his wife)
                Kimmel Johann Voldemarovich
                Makarova Olga Mikhailovna
                Mararam Elya Evelchevna
                Meisner Ivan (with wife and two children)
                Odoevsky (Severov) Afanasy Semenovich
                Okudzhava Vladimir Stepanovich
                Rashkovsky Haim Punkusovich
                Slobodsky Solomon Mordkovich
                Sokolov Pavel Yakovlevich
                Stuchevsky Pavel Vladimirovich
                Troyanovsky Konstantin Mikhailovich
                Shapiro Mark Leopoldovich
    2. verner1967
      verner1967 26 October 2017 09: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: solzh
      If the Bolsheviks

      Another alternative
      1. solzh
        solzh 26 October 2017 20: 24 New
        +3
        Wildly sorry, but the alternative is you.
        1. verner1967
          verner1967 3 November 2017 18: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: solzh
          it is you

          I do not write about if
  11. alebor
    alebor 25 October 2017 10: 22 New
    +6
    It’s interesting whether, for example, in France there is some local Samsonoff who regularly writes about the Jacobin dictatorship saving for the people of his country and that if it weren’t for the Thermidorian coup inspired by the “East”, what a great and progressive civilization they built would Robespierre and Saint Just?
  12. creak
    creak 25 October 2017 10: 33 New
    +2
    Quote: Wend
    Do not regret the burnt Russophobe.

    Yes, this is not about Marx, but about the ideas of Marxism-Leninism and their practical implementation.
  13. Ural resident
    Ural resident 25 October 2017 10: 42 New
    +9
    If this revolution were still bloodless.
    And then the world and civil wars took so many lives, especially the second, where the Russians fought with the Russians, how many better people were killed on both sides - the mass migration of the White Guard with its subsequent dissolution abroad.
    How many families these people could create and raise children - now we could have 500 million Russians.
    So I'm sorry, but I would like to put Lenin’s ideas in the mausoleum.
    Of course, the time was extremely difficult, but those who used it to break the country for their own power can hardly expect any place of honor later in history. This incidentally applies to the same interim government.
    1. Tula gingerbread
      Tula gingerbread 25 October 2017 12: 26 New
      +9
      Of course, the Civil War is a tragedy. But it didn’t start after October, did it start after February, or peasant riots, as the author writes, with the burning of landowners' estates, their plunder and the arbitrary distribution of land, is this not a Civil War? And the Kornilov rebellion, is it a demonstration of flower men?
      What about the July events?
      So the Civil War began even before October, which liberals a la Mr. Svanidze really do not like to remember.
      In general, the seizure of power by the Bolsheviks in October occurred almost bloodlessly.
      The Civil War of which everyone is talking about, it was not started by the Bolsheviks, but by those who were going to return the lost power.
      Alekseev and Kornilov already organized the White Army on the Don in November-December 17th, probably not to grow flowers.
      And then there was the “ice campaign”, the Czechoslovak rebellion, etc.
      The Bolsheviks then had no army.
      Was there a right for those who entered the white movement to defend their position what they wanted to see Russia and to return to the old order? Undoubtedly it was.
      But then we do not have the right to deny the same right to the Bolsheviks and the right to defend our power.
      History has shown who was right and who Russia followed.
      1. Koshnitsa
        Koshnitsa 25 October 2017 12: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: Tula gingerbread
        History has shown who was right and who Russia followed.
        Kornilov was Laurus, and Trotsky Leo. Lev Davidovich!
      2. andrew42
        andrew42 25 October 2017 15: 24 New
        +3
        Do not confuse the concept of "whom Russia has followed" and "saddle and lead." The last RSDLPb turned out masterly, brazenly and cynically. For "Russianness" in those years they put to the wall or drowned, without trial. If you tried to hint at the Russian World at that time and all that, you would end up in a basement near Zemlyachka with cut off bells. If one were to think “who Russia was following”, then there wasn’t such force that one would like to follow. Of all the bad candidates, frankly, the Social Revolutionaries were the least unpleasant, which is confirmed by the prevalence in the first Soviets. But as an organized political force, these comrades were like a "sword made of soft r ...", in contrast to the small but cunning steel "knife" of the RSDLPb (by the way, budding from the Jewish BUND, it was necessary to learn the history of the CPSU, there from this " song "the word is not thrown out).
        1. Tula gingerbread
          Tula gingerbread 26 October 2017 16: 56 New
          +2
          Words are not backed up by anything. Not interesting.
      3. verner1967
        verner1967 25 October 2017 16: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: Tula gingerbread
        History has shown who was right and who Russia followed.

        So she went after Trotsky, it turned out to be in the wrong place, then for Stalin, then for other leaders and all the mistakes. But we do not know what would happen if she followed Kornilov or Denikin. And now Russia is clearly not following the Communists. So history has not shown anything so far, except for an error in choosing leaders from 1917 to 2018
        1. Tula gingerbread
          Tula gingerbread 26 October 2017 16: 57 New
          +2
          I'm talking about the fact, not the “what would happen if.” I'm not a fortuneteller.
          1. verner1967
            verner1967 3 November 2017 18: 46 New
            +1
            Quote: Tula gingerbread
            I'm talking about the fact

            thats exactly what I mean
      4. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 25 October 2017 16: 21 New
        14
        Quote: Tula gingerbread
        November-December 17th they organized the White Army on the Don, probably not to grow flowers.


        The White Army was organized after an armed seizure of power the Bolsheviks. In essence, this was a response to the criminal actions of a group of people who ignored the demand of the people to convene a Constituent Assembly.
        1. Tula gingerbread
          Tula gingerbread 26 October 2017 16: 59 New
          +2
          Ha! And the actions of the liberals who threw the king and destroyed the Republic of Ingushetia were not criminal? The people did not protest against the dispersal of the founding party. That's just the fact that it was the ANSWER, it was the group of people who lost power that started the Civil War.
  14. bober1982
    bober1982 25 October 2017 12: 20 New
    +6
    The October Revolution, like any revolution, is nothing more than the demagogic excitement of the masses, and the use of the most base passions of these same masses. The purpose of any revolution (at the initial stage) is the destruction of the old order, the order that was the soil that nurtured Christian truth , and on this basis all its laws were based. Any revolution is a war against God.
    1. zoolu350
      zoolu350 26 October 2017 02: 30 New
      0
      It depends on what you consider to be God. For example, if after the revolution churches are rebuilt into planetariums, then this is a war for the glory of God in my understanding (God is a singular flash that created matter and the laws of its development), but if your God concept is described in the books of the Semitic authors Mass and Shimon (Peter), then revolution for this concept is certainly a bad thing. And in what category do you define the Islamic revolution in Iran, positive or negative?
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 26 October 2017 10: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: zoolu350
        For example, if after the revolution churches are rebuilt into planetariums

        After the revolution, churches were defiantly rebuilt for warehouses, clubs, prisons, etc., this was done intentionally and with frenzy.
        The result of all the revolutionary upheavals in Russia and Europe was two world wars that destroyed the previous humanity, a new human type was created, for which the old order had to be destroyed.
        1. Pancir026
          Pancir026 26 October 2017 10: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: bober1982
          After the revolution, churches were defiantly rebuilt for warehouses, clubs, prisons, etc., this was done intentionally and with frenzy.

          Yes?
          It’s interesting, interesting .. and why in the church, in Communion as early as February 17, for example, in the army, barely 10% went? And who brought down those churches, if not the people themselves? Vrite. Do not lie.
          Quote: bober1982
          All the revolutionary upheavals in Russia and Europe resulted in two world wars.

          What are you ??? Is it right like that? Already two worlds at once ?? And when did such a collision happen? If you remember that 1 world did not start at 17?
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 26 October 2017 11: 03 New
            +1
            Quote: Pancir026
            And who fell those churches, if not the people themselves?

            Everything is correct, people were able to bring people to the bestial state, I agree.
            Quote: Pancir026
            If you remember that 1 world did not start at 17?

            Also rightly say that only revolutionary upheavals in both Russia and Europe began before 1917.
            Quote: Pancir026
            Lie. Do not lie.

            Unclear.
            1. Pancir026
              Pancir026 26 October 2017 11: 26 New
              0
              Quote: bober1982
              only revolutionary upheavals in both Russia and Europe began before 1917.

              And what kind of upheavals began in Europe before 17? In Russia, yes. From 05 it was shaking, as a result of the decay of the tsarist regime and the stupidity of the capital’s food.
              Quote: bober1982
              Unclear.

              Yes, everything is clear to you ...
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 26 October 2017 11: 36 New
                +1
                Quote: Pancir026
                And what kind of upheaval began in Europe before 17?

                After the French Revolution, Europe ceased to be Christian, it began to slide into Satanism (Marx, Darwin, Nietzsche, Freud), the whole legion of demons could not be listed.
                1. Pancir026
                  Pancir026 26 October 2017 11: 53 New
                  +1
                  Quote: bober1982
                  After the French Revolution, Europe ceased to be Christian, it began to slide into Satanism

                  In LIBERALISM, in its extreme phase, slid into Nazism with fascism. Do you not see this point blank?
                  Do you not see the fact that the Reformation in Europe in the form of Calvinism, protestantism and other things exactly gave rise to such a rebirth?
                  And at point blank range you don’t want to see that the imposition of liberal ideas in Russia does not lead to positive results? Fruiting all sorts of different dogs and bulk?
                  1. bober1982
                    bober1982 26 October 2017 12: 16 New
                    +1
                    First there was the Renaissance (waved a fist at God), then the Reformation (a blow was inflicted on the Catholic Church), then French philosophers and "enlighteners" crawled out into the light of God, it was necessary to prepare the French revolution, after it the western church was destroyed, and Europe could be take it with your bare hands (Darwin and company) Well and so on, including what is called the Great October Revolution, etc.
                    1. Pancir026
                      Pancir026 26 October 2017 12: 19 New
                      +2
                      Quote: bober1982
                      First there was the Renaissance (waved a fist at God), then the Reformation (a blow was inflicted on the Catholic Church), then French philosophers and "enlighteners" crawled out into the light of God, it was necessary to prepare the French revolution, after it the western church was destroyed, and Europe could be take it with your bare hands (Darwin and company) Well and so on, including what is called the Great October Revolution, etc.

                      Return to the Stone Age.
                      1. bober1982
                        bober1982 26 October 2017 12: 26 New
                        +2
                        Good question.
                        Not with the kondachka, however, Russian men began to destroy temples. Patience and painstaking "work" were needed to bring people to such a state, a century and a millennium.
                        Examples can be given, darkness.
                    2. zoolu350
                      zoolu350 26 October 2017 18: 41 New
                      0
                      Keep your hands off Darwin, he has at least some rational explanation for the processes of the Universe, and you have obscurantists, only a figment of the imagination of Mass, Shimon (Peter) and Muhammad, the freshest of which is almost 1500 years old.
                      1. Karen
                        Karen 26 October 2017 20: 34 New
                        0
                        Quote: zoolu350
                        Keep your hands off Darwin, he has at least some rational explanation for the processes of the Universe, and you have obscurantists, only a figment of the imagination of Mass, Shimon (Peter) and Muhammad, the freshest of which is almost 1500 years old.

                        I didn’t expect Peter to see in the role of "adept adherents" :)
                        God-chosen people introduced Darwinism in US schools by violent methods - teachers who disagreed were sent straight to prison.
                        By the way, the developer of the transatlantic telegraph line, after reading this nonsense, ordered his family not to go to him for a week, and only to the servant to serve food to the door and then clean up ... Having written a rebuttal to the postulates of this "theory", he sent it to the author. Darwin, of course, recognized the work of an engineer ... (but who would let him abandon the text imposed by the puppeteers? !!) :)
  15. sibiryouk
    sibiryouk 25 October 2017 13: 52 New
    +1
    It was not a hundred years ago, so we live now according to a new timeline! November 7 will be a hundred years
  16. Seamaster
    Seamaster 25 October 2017 14: 51 New
    +3
    Quote: Koshnitsa
    This is about nothing.
    Typical excuse. Ulyanov gave freedom to these entities, by order of his Berlin curators.

    That's interesting.
    By the time Ulyanov “took over” the Provisional Government, Poland was completely occupied by German troops, and von der Goltz’s corps was taking over Finland. How could Lenin give something there.
    Let me remind you that the Caucasus and Central Asia have actually separated from Russia.
    Ukraine was "liberated" from Russia by the Provisional Government and at the peace talks in Brest was represented by an independent delegation, which concluded peace with Germany separately from Russia. The same is Georgia.
    You would study the material part, or something.
    And then immediately - to post and convict.
    1. Karen
      Karen 25 October 2017 15: 51 New
      +3
      Taki yes !!!
      Lenin, for example, urgently demanded the withdrawal of Russian troops from Turkish Armenia - so that the population could vote without looking at Russian bayonets, such as not to be afraid ...
      Naturally, everyone else showed that the Turks could take advantage of this for the massacre of Armenians ... Lenin got his way .. Turks too ...
      _______
      There are always pictures from the movie about the "first Bolsheviks" when they burned manuscripts in the Alexandria Library ... "How many of them? !!"
      Stoke in the furnaces and the point ... It should be enough .. The boiler houses there and everything else adapt ...
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 25 October 2017 16: 06 New
        +1
        And who did you demand?
        1. Karen
          Karen 25 October 2017 16: 56 New
          +2
          He also demanded from the Kerensky government and the Duma. Kerensky definitely went on a campaign to Constantinople, and the conductors from Berlin gave Lenin an introductory sentence - against ... And after October they adopted the Decree on Turkish Armenia and issued and executed these democratic prirapaki.
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 25 October 2017 17: 14 New
            +3
            Quote: Karen
            Conductors from Berlin gave lead to Lenin - against

            And what conductors did they give from England, what directors did they give from Paris?
            And what kind of army did the Bolsheviks in Armenia have in early 1918 that they were going to withdraw?
            1. Karen
              Karen 25 October 2017 17: 43 New
              +2
              Dashnaks conducted from England.
              So the Russian troops in Turkish Armenia still remained, and the Bolsheviks inherited. There were so many troops and ammunition that it was possible to reach Vienna. The troops finally withdrew after Brest.
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 25 October 2017 17: 46 New
                0
                Russian troops and Kornilov were ...
                1. Karen
                  Karen 25 October 2017 17: 52 New
                  +1
                  This is already someone from the army to whom he left. 300 Russian officers, for example, seeing that there was nowhere to return, remained in the Armenian army.
                  1. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 25 October 2017 17: 56 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Karen
                    This is already someone from the army to whom he left.

                    And whoever obeyed to whom ... oh yes, as soon as the Bolsheviks of Zimny ​​took everything so immediately and began to ... And what for the Red Army had to be built - there was a whole battle-worthy and disciplined army, all orders were executed only have time to command ...
                    1. Karen
                      Karen 25 October 2017 18: 21 New
                      +1
                      Nobody could topple them off the saddle, which means they inherited a legacy. No?
                      1. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 25 October 2017 18: 58 New
                        +2
                        Got it, got it - just to take ownership of about 5 years has gone ...
      2. zoolu350
        zoolu350 26 October 2017 02: 36 New
        0
        Quote: Karen

        _______
        There are always pictures from the movie about the "first Bolsheviks" when they burned manuscripts in the Alexandria Library ... "How many of them? !!"
        Stoke in the furnaces and the point ... It should be enough .. The boiler houses there and everything else adapt ...

        Are you talking about adherents of the Jewish sect founded by Shmon (Peter) Christians?
        1. Karen
          Karen 26 October 2017 08: 59 New
          0
          Peter, welcome!
          Yesterday I saw in the comments a complete coincidence of opinion with mine and began to look at all your notes ... looking at the legacy of imperial-minded patriots, which I noticed on the forum.
          1. Ulan
            Ulan 26 October 2017 22: 17 New
            +2
            Imperial minded is how? For a white empire or for a red one? The USSR was also a kind of empire.
            This is now Russia do not understand what.
            So what is imperialism in junkers and crunch of French bread?
            And in my opinion this is the greatness of Russia, somewhat simplified of course, and Russia reached the highest greatness precisely during the times of the USSR and this fact cannot be disputed.
            1. Karen
              Karen 27 October 2017 09: 11 New
              0
              Good question ... I'll try to answer, in my understanding.
              Imperial thinking is when it is realized that the defense of the empire does not begin and does not end at / with internationally recognized borders ... and you cannot betray Yugoslavia, Libya and other allies ... the defense of Moscow, Pskov and Novosibirsk starts from there ...
              Swindlers come to power almost everywhere, and their peoples themselves become prisoners of their masters ... they must be fought against such authorities, and not brushed aside like bros have betrayed us ...
              (I liked Peter's words “Is Edrolyub’s burden heavy?”)
              ___________
              Well, about footman-junkers and the crunch of French rolls - this at all times happens too ...
              There is a classic example of the Byzantine empire ... the top rotted - that’s why the enemies ate it (the enemy never slumbers)
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    3. A.V.S.
      A.V.S. 25 October 2017 16: 19 New
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      Quote: Seamaster
      You would study the material part, or something.

      yes yes study
      Quote: Seamaster
      von der Goltz’s corps was tidying up Finland.
      April 3, 1918 in Hanko, Germany made the landing of its expeditionary force, numbering 9,5 thousand people under the command of General Rüdiger von der Goltz and began to advance to Helsinki.
      Von der Goltz Rüdiger "My mission in Finland and the Baltic states"
  17. andrew42
    andrew42 25 October 2017 15: 10 New
    +4
    "The Bolsheviks liquidated the February project of the destruction of Russian civilization and the Russian people" - ??? Bullshit, golem slogan and demagogy. About the national composition of the Council of People's Commissars of the 20s, about the new "Russian" elite in power, only not know either stupidly lazy, or deliberately silent. Have you forgotten about the NEP for the "chosen ones" and the surplus appraisal for the "Russian cattle"? Is Russian Civilization the Dream of Leiba Bronstein and Yasha Sverdlov? - Nu-nu. Personally, I am more likely to be closer to the Russian Communists, even though I was not a member of the party. But October is, first and foremost, an anti-Russian coup — Act 2, the climax, with the change of operating forces, their slogans and flags (compared with the “preparatory” February 17th). The Russian people were confronted with the proposed “candy” of social justice, but the anti-Russian whip, with the translation of the hatred of the masses into an external enemy, “White Guard” was a mandatory supplement to the advertised candy. It was only fortunate that Stalin's comrades emasculated this project of the genocide of the Russian people from within, while maintaining the principle of social justice. The Febralists and Verkhushka RSDLPb 1917, are the right and left hands of the enemy of Russian civilization, knocked down on the right, and knocked out on the left.
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    2. mat-vey
      mat-vey 25 October 2017 17: 19 New
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      As it turns out, these 20 thousand were omnipotent - directly the people of "X" ...
      1. andrew42
        andrew42 25 October 2017 17: 52 New
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        Why not omnipotent? yes, omnipotent. So unwind a huge nation, forcing active 2/3 to shoot at another 1/3 active, so that "and as one we die in the fight for IT" - this requires talent and hyper-organization, determination and fanatical devotion to one’s ultimate goal . In terms of fighting qualities and political sense, the Bolsheviks are young people. It is a fact. The result speaks for itself. But! Let me remind you that the first lines of the article begin with a swift announcement of "Russian civilization." And this concept is a priori the antithesis of the Bolshevik "proletarians of all countries, unite," even if you do not take into account that someone is pushing these same "proletarians" in the back, like the current Catalans. This is called - to use in vain, without benefit for the used "tool", with its subsequent disposal.
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 25 October 2017 18: 23 New
          +3
          Do you believe in Santa Claus?
  18. SCHWERIN
    SCHWERIN 25 October 2017 16: 37 New
    +2
    Let's tell the truth! In 17, the Russians themselves destroyed the RUSSIAN RUSSIA. Neither the king, nor his entourage, namely RUSSIAN. There were no RUSSIANS at that time.
    In 1914, mass rallies were held in St. Petersburg. There were problems with Serbia, a crisis was brewing with Orthodoxy, and the people demanded that the tsar start a war. (Well, like Putin, send troops to the outskirts). Although the king himself hesitated and the military command, too. But the tsar, as the white tsar and the defender of the ORTHODOXES bequeathed by his ancestors, is forced to get involved in the war under the pressure of public opinion. If it weren’t for the pressure on the tsar in the war from the Russian patriots, perhaps Russia could withstand and transform. Like the UK. But .... Everything went well at first, there was a Brusilovsky breakthrough, but the lack of armament and heavy weapons broke the scales in favor of the Germans. The production of military equipment under the pressure of liberals passed to the effective owners - businessmen, and there were kickbacks and space prices for weapons and military budget cuts.
    The people were very upset by this opposite effect, and patriotism began to decline. In addition to N. Gumilyov, none of the bohemians was eager for the front, S. Yesenin got into the orderlies. And that’s all.
    All Petersburg was waiting for a revolution. Gymnasium students went with scarlet ribbons and talked about the revolution. Countess Panina decorated the balcony of her house on Nevsky with scarlet ribbons.
    Waited and waited.
    I'm not talking about mass terrorism on the part of the educated and wealthy part of the population of St. Petersburg against the government. It was just crazy.
    There was a revolution of 1905 - the first bell. The administration did not draw appropriate conclusions. And she got 17 years old. So the blame for the revolution lies with Nicholas II entirely.
    Due to the delay in fresh bread, the Petersburgers began to murmur. The authorities reacted, sent military field bakeries to the city. But the people could not be stopped. I think the incitement of unrest was fueled from the outside. Fortunately, the real enemy was.
    What had to be done. 1905 and 1917. 12 years. During this time, it was necessary to establish a dialogue with the people, all classes. Do not go into the war of 1914 because of the Serbs. GDP correctly did not climb to the Ukrainians. A stone is being thrown at me now, but then I supported Yeltsin in refusing to put the air defense systems on the Yugoslavs. This would lead to an escalation of tension. And the yugi would not have thanked us anyway.
    Russia is now repeating the mistake of RI and the most important. BUNCH OF THE PEOPLE. And it can lead to tragedy. There are no normal parties such as workers and peasants or rural remote places. Workers, hired workers, and rural workers are. And who defends their rights? Unions. I am silent.
    The Bolsheviks simply raised power. In St. Petersburg. When they got it, they began to think, and who are the allies? Because divided the people into classes, some left behind, in fact, genocide, then these besides resisting had no other choice. The military, the intelligentsia, prosperous peasants, part of the workers (and there were many) did not accept the new government. The Bolsheviks (fighting) were supported by the lumpen and the rural poor. Repression and civil war began.
    The Bolsheviks defended themselves with all means available to them. their choice was only to die or survive.
    The tsarist system (300 years) was the fault of the collapse of Russia. Whether the Bolsheviks were saviors or not, if they were only for 75 years.
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 25 October 2017 17: 38 New
      +3
      "Let's tell the Truth! The Russians in 17 destroyed Russia RUSSIAN themselves." Well, of course! 90% of the peasantry took it like this, and set up the Civil War. It became boring to live, they decided to set the house on fire. Something reminds me of spells like "we destroyed the Soviet Union." Whose truth will we speak? If we are talking about Russian truth, then here it does not smell. Non, of course, if we are talking about "universal" truth (give your uncle’s wife, and go to b ..), then, according to the assurances of political cheaters, "they themselves destroyed." She herself wanted rape, something like that.
      1. SCHWERIN
        SCHWERIN 25 October 2017 21: 25 New
        +3
        The peasants did not care! Go to the village now, no one thinks anything about politics and this is in the era of the zombie.
        The Bolsheviks unleashed a civil war with their class theory. They used the right to divide people by class, and bad and good, and those who are not with us are against us. And 90% of the peasants were not on the side of the Bolsheviks. And the white army consisted not only of officers, but in a larger number of rank and file. And where the ordinary is not worth explaining.
        But what did the union ruin Yeltsin !? Yes, the people did not go to defend the government. Gorbachev, and then Yeltsin and Co. they hung noodles for everyone about a good life beyond the hillock and the people sat in the kitchens and waited for freebies.
        RI ruined the Russian people. He defined life in Russia, not a minority. Hurray, patriots forced the Tsar to start a war with Germany at rallies in St. Petersburg. All the best units left Peter, guards, loyal to the king. The guard was knocked out clean by German art. Marching companies came from Peter, from the village. And these are peasants and you understand that they were Russians, not Jews. The peasants did not want to fight, and under the influence of propaganda they were decomposed and wanted to go home. Looting, propaganda made this mass a ram against the government. So who do you think destroyed Russia?
        Yes, you do not have to go far for an example. Look at the "non-brothers." Or do you want to say that there are not Ukrainians ruined Ukraine? Soros is omnipresent .... It was an educated nation, not the Papuans, and who did they turn into? Having the Internet, getting info a million times more than in the 17th. Yes, the same freebie as in the 17th and 91 in Russia ....
    2. Koshnitsa
      Koshnitsa 25 October 2017 17: 45 New
      +2
      Sverdlov, Trotsky, Kaganovich, Dzhugashvili, Apfelbaum, Ulyanov-Blank are Russians?
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 25 October 2017 18: 07 New
        +4
        Holstein-Gottorp sounds the same very Russian ...
        1. Koshnitsa
          Koshnitsa 25 October 2017 18: 12 New
          +1
          And Romanov? Well, you could not marry your subjects, and the Russian states were no longer in contrast to 365 German
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 25 October 2017 18: 21 New
            +1
            Oooh, yeah, there the devil knows in which knee the Russians no longer smelled ...
            1. Koshnitsa
              Koshnitsa 25 October 2017 18: 55 New
              +1
              And what are the differences between German blood and Russian?
              And appearances, too, list, plz.
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 25 October 2017 19: 00 New
                +2
                And what kind of Georgian? ... Well, as you have decided - Kerensky-Adler ..
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                  1. Koshnitsa
                    Koshnitsa 25 October 2017 19: 24 New
                    +1
                    And the Russians, like the Germans, are descendants of the Scandinavians and Slavs, they have a common blood and appearance therefore similar. Origin from common ancestors.
                    And the Georgians are some outcasts from Middle Eastern tribes
                    1. Ulan
                      Ulan 26 October 2017 22: 25 New
                      +1
                      This is the "rogue" Jason wanted a golden fleece to whistle? lol
                  2. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 25 October 2017 19: 28 New
                    +2
                    It’s beautiful-lovely .... It’s a direct descendant of the ancient Hitler family ... so he has Russian also Asian hordes ...
                    1. Koshnitsa
                      Koshnitsa 25 October 2017 19: 34 New
                      +1
                      Do you think Georgians are Europeans? It's funny
                      1. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 25 October 2017 19: 35 New
                        +1
                        Do you think the Germans are Russians?
                      2. Karen
                        Karen 25 October 2017 19: 51 New
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                        Quote: Koshnitsa
                        Do you think Georgians are Europeans? It's funny

                        Well, how would I tell you ... When I visited Gelati, they told me that 5 out of 2 academies were in Georgia (I don’t remember talking about Byzantium, or else)
                        But the German warriors that blew up in Kharkov in the Opera House, and in a couple of cities, probably in the afterlife take revenge on Bekauri in black ...
          2. Ulan
            Ulan 26 October 2017 22: 23 New
            0
            Why is this impossible? Who banned? The first wife of Peter the Great was Lopukhina. And Alexander the Second wanted to marry Dolgoruky. There was no ban.
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 27 October 2017 17: 51 New
              0
              What do you say "was not", you said what it was was and even a piece of paper which can lead to prove ....
  19. Karen
    Karen 25 October 2017 19: 19 New
    0
    mat-vey,
    Big money - big problems !!!
    After all, so many people had to be eaten in white blacks. That is why in these 5 years there was no CPC system - it was done according to revolutionary concepts.
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 25 October 2017 19: 33 New
      +3
      Kolchak immediately began with these concepts .... And gentlemen of the officer who swore not to speak out against the revolution, just exchanged eyes before our eyes ...
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        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 25 October 2017 19: 44 New
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          And about the white negroes confirmed?
          1. Karen
            Karen 25 October 2017 20: 00 New
            0
            In black
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 25 October 2017 20: 03 New
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              And what kind of blacks were the Armenians? And what became?
              1. Karen
                Karen 25 October 2017 20: 15 New
                +1
                20% was cut out right away ... then everything possible was taken from the impoverished people, right up to needles with threads - for shipment to Russia .... Then STALIN rose and loosened a little stranglehold. Khrushchev, seeing our dugouts, gave Khrushchev ...
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 25 October 2017 20: 18 New
                  +2
                  And what did Stalin cut?

                  Khrushchev, having seen our dugouts, presented Khrushchevs ... - but didn’t you try to work yourself?
                  1. Karen
                    Karen 25 October 2017 20: 36 New
                    +1
                    Quote: mat-vey
                    And what did Stalin cut?

                    Khrushchev, having seen our dugouts, presented Khrushchevs ... - but didn’t you try to work yourself?

                    Good question ... Stalin sacrificed us for the sake of Russian-Turkish love ... He even cabled Lenin like: "We must forbid Chicherin to make stupid ...
                    ____
                    According to Khrushchev - it was according to work, he threw a little ...
                    1. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 25 October 2017 20: 43 New
                      +1
                      You are so great under the communists from you in Moscow it was impossible to push through, the whole Union was fed, and then some kind of Stalin ...
      2. Karen
        Karen 25 October 2017 19: 43 New
        0
        Kolchak’s connection with British intelligence was in the public domain .... And who would believe that White started the terror, if Trotsky’s goals and methods were known from the Paris Commune?
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 25 October 2017 19: 45 New
          +2
          And what do you say for a Stolypin tie?
          1. Karen
            Karen 25 October 2017 19: 58 New
            +1
            Hanged a little ...
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 25 October 2017 20: 06 New
              +1
              Somehow it was not consistent - Stolypin hung up, but Trotsky’s methods ... Maybe if he didn’t start hanging it, then Trotsky in their circles of each other just started talking hiccups and went into the pencil trade ...
              1. Karen
                Karen 25 October 2017 20: 17 New
                +1
                You must Fedya, you must! (with)
                If rats are wound up in the house, you need to hang ...
                Trotsky was "before the theft" ... Even when they raged ...
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 25 October 2017 20: 20 New
                  +3
                  And the rats are those who could not work for 14 hours?
                  1. Karen
                    Karen 25 October 2017 20: 25 New
                    0
                    No ... These are the merchants of the international guardians of the proletariat.
                    1. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 25 October 2017 20: 31 New
                      +3
                      So it was the zealots who forced them to work for 14 hours and did not forbid child labor?

                      Petition of workers and residents of St. Petersburg for submission to Nicholas II / January 9, 1905


                      Sire!

                      We, workers and residents of the city of St. Petersburg of various classes, our wives, children, and helpless old parents, have come to you, sovereign, to seek truth and protection. We have become impoverished, we are oppressed, burdened with overwork, we are abused, people are not recognized in us, we are treated like slaves who must endure their bitter fate and be silent. We put up with it, but they push us further and further into a whirlpool of poverty, lawlessness and ignorance, despotism and arbitrariness choke us, and we suffocate. No more strength, sovereign. The limit has come to patience. For us, that terrible moment came when death is better than continuing unbearable torment.

                      And so we quit work and told our owners that we would not start working until they fulfilled our requirements. We did not ask for much, we only wanted what life was not without, but hard labor, eternal torment. Our first request was that our owners discuss our needs with us. But we were denied this, they denied us the right to speak about our needs, that the law does not recognize such a right for us. Our requests were also illegal: to reduce the number of working hours to 8 per day; set the price for our work with us and with our consent; consider our misunderstandings with the lower administration of the plants; increase the labor costs for women laborers and women up to 1 rub. in a day; cancel overtime work; treat us carefully and without insults; set up workshops so that it was possible to work in them, and not to find death there from terrible drafts, rain and snow.

                      Everything turned out, according to our owners and the factory administration, to be unlawful, all our request is a crime, and our desire to improve our situation is insolence, insulting to them. Sovereign, there are many thousands of us here, and all these people are only in appearance, only in appearance - in reality, for us, as well as for the whole Russian people, they do not recognize a single human right, or even the right to speak, think, gather, discuss needs, take measures to improve our situation. We have been enslaved, and enslaved under the auspices of your officials, with their help, with their assistance.

                      All of us who dare to raise our voice in defense of the interests of the working class and people are thrown into prison, sent to exile. They punish, as if for a crime, for a kind heart, for a sympathetic soul. To pity a slaughtered, disenfranchised, tormented person means committing a serious crime. All the working people and peasants are left to the mercy of the bureaucratic government, consisting of embezzlers and robbers, who not only do not care about the interests of the people, but trample these interests. The bureaucratic government brought the country to complete ruin, brought a shameful war to it, and further and further leads Russia to death. We, the workers and the people, have no voice in spending the huge levies on us. We don’t even know where and for what the money collected from the impoverished people goes. The people are deprived of the opportunity to express their desires, requirements, participate in the establishment of taxes and their spending.

                      Workers are deprived of the opportunity to organize in unions to protect their interests. Sire! Is this in accordance with the divine laws by whose grace you reign? And is it possible to live under such laws? Is it not better to die, to die for all of us, the working people of all of Russia? May the capitalists — the exploiters of the working class and the officials — embezzlers and robbers of the Russian people — live and enjoy. That is what confronts us, sovereign, and that is what has gathered us to the walls of your palace. Here we are looking for the last salvation. Do not refuse help to your people, take him out of the grave of lawlessness, poverty and ignorance, give him the opportunity to decide his own destiny, throw off the unbearable oppression of officials from him. Destroy the wall between you and your people, and let him rule the country with you. After all, you are put to the happiness of the people, and officials take this happiness out of our hands, it does not reach us, we receive only grief and humiliation. Take a look without anger, carefully at our requests: they are directed not to evil, but to good, both for us and for you, sovereign! Not the impudence in us speaks, but the consciousness of the need to get out of an intolerable situation for everyone. Russia is too big, its needs are too diverse and numerous for some officials to be able to manage it. Representation of the people is necessary, it is necessary that the people themselves help themselves and govern themselves. After all, he only knows his true needs. Do not repel his help, they led immediately, immediately call on representatives of the Russian land from all classes, from all classes, representatives and workers. Let there be a capitalist, and a worker, and an official, and a priest, and a doctor, and a teacher — let all whoever they are choose their representatives. May everyone be equal and free in the right to be elected, and for this they should lead the election to the Constituent Assembly to take place subject to a universal, secret and equal vote.

                      This is our most important request, everything is based on it and on it, it is the main and only patch for our sick wounds, without which these wounds will ooze and quickly move us to death. But one measure still cannot heal our wounds. Others are also needed, and we directly and openly, as a father, tell you, sovereign, about them on behalf of the entire working class of Russia.

                      Required:

                      I. Measures against ignorance and lack of rights of the Russian people.

                      1) Immediate release and return of all victims for political and religious beliefs, for strikes and peasant unrest.
                      2) Immediate declaration of freedom and inviolability of the person, freedom of speech, press, freedom of assembly, freedom of conscience in the matter of religion.
                      3) General and compulsory public education in the state account.
                      4) The responsibility of ministers to the people and guarantees of the rule of law.
                      5) Equality to the law of all, without exception.
                      6) Separation of the church from the state.

                      II. Measures against national poverty.

                      1) The abolition of indirect taxes and their replacement with direct progressive income
                      tax free.
                      2) Cancellation of redemption payments, cheap credit and gradual transfer of land
                      to the people.
                      3) The execution of orders of the naval department should be in Russia, and not abroad.
                      4) The cessation of war by the will of the people.

                      III. Measures against the oppression of capital over labor.

                      1) Cancellation of the institute of factory inspectors.
                      2) The establishment at the plants and factories of standing commissions elected from
                      workers who, together with the administration, would handle all claims
                      individual workers. The dismissal of a worker cannot take place otherwise than with
                      Decisions of this commission.
                      3) Freedom of consumer-production and professional labor unions - immediately.
                      4) 8-hour work day and normalization of overtime work.
                      5) The freedom of labor struggle with capital - immediately.
                      6) Normal wages - immediately.
                      7) The indispensable participation of representatives of the working classes in drafting a bill on state insurance of workers - immediately.

                      Here, sovereign, our main needs with which we have come to you; only with their satisfaction is it possible to liberate our Motherland from slavery and poverty, its prosperity is possible, can the workers organize to defend their interests from the blatant exploitation of the capitalists and the bureaucratic government robbing and strangling the people. Lead and swear to fulfill them, and you will make Russia both happy and glorious, and you will imprint your name in the hearts of our and our descendants forever, and you will not command, you will not respond to our prayer - we will die here, in this square, in front of yours the palace. We have nowhere else to go and no reason. We have only two ways: either to freedom and happiness, or to the grave ... ".

                      On the morning of January 9, workers gathered outside the Narva and Nevskaya outposts, on the Vyborg and St. Petersburg side, on Vasilyevsky Island and in Kolpino, moved to Palace Square. Their total number reached about 50-100 thousand people. Workers came with families, children, festively dressed, they carried portraits of the king, icons, crosses, sang prayers ...
                      1. Karen
                        Karen 25 October 2017 20: 45 New
                        0
                        It was. There was a lot of rot ...
                        But where did the workers pay money for strikes?
                      2. SCHWERIN
                        SCHWERIN 25 October 2017 21: 30 New
                        +1
                        Even I was tired of reading the message, and the king ...
                    2. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 25 October 2017 20: 48 New
                      +2
                      Is this the famous Armenian logic? Or some kind of non-Earthly perception of time?
                      1. Karen
                        Karen 25 October 2017 20: 55 New
                        0
                        Is this about money logic?
                        Everything is stolen before us. (with)
                        Who benefits from this? - this is where the Japanese got their money for the war against Russia, is there really an English trace?
                2. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 26 October 2017 07: 08 New
                  0
                  SCHWERIN Yesterday, 21:30 p.m. ↑
                  Even I was tired of reading the message, and the king ...
                  You take care of yourself there, otherwise great people do not live long ...
            2. mat-vey
              mat-vey 26 October 2017 07: 04 New
              0
              So the British didn’t pay the workers for the 14 hour work? Continue with you an interesting case .. although it’s not a standard troll ...
              1. Karen
                Karen 26 October 2017 08: 29 New
                0
                Nope ... English money was paid to the participants of strikes in Russia ... As they are paid to the liberals today ... (it will not be difficult for you to guess who coined the term "liberalism" itself, with derivatives :))
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 26 October 2017 08: 47 New
                  0
                  You would have to save yourself the same, otherwise everything would be on the post but on the post ... And paid for stuffy or for a family? Open your eyes to the British what they did - let them know, and not just you ...
        2. Ulan
          Ulan 26 October 2017 22: 29 New
          0
          What Trotsky, however, is a long-liver. lol
          Faith is an intangible concept, but fact is a fact. The Civil War was launched not by the Reds. They did not need her.
  20. Gardamir
    Gardamir 25 October 2017 19: 32 New
    +6
    I am a man of the people. Therefore, Lenin and Stalin were for the people and the October Revolution was for the people. And all the bourgeois brought suffering to the people of both Yeltsin and Putin. By the way, today's bourgeoisie does not want to celebrate or even notice on November 7th. Vote for Putin if you want to continue to oppress you.
  21. Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene 25 October 2017 21: 33 New
    +2
    [quote = Johns] Quote: Diana Ilyina
    Fascist Regimes Won in All Countries You Listed

    [quote = Johns] These rezhimi fascist called only unburdened by excessive education and knowledge of the Bolsheviks. [/ quote]

    What nonsense dear?
    The standard for all varieties of fascism was Italian fascism, it was an important factor in the genesis of international fascism, which even tried to take shape in its international.
    Italian fascism influenced ideology, organizational forms, political tactics and propaganda methods, but despite this, fascist dictatorships in different countries took their forms. Specific forms were in Italy, and in Germany, and in Spain, and in Poland, and in Japan.
    Having come to power in Germany, the Nazi party also established a fascist regime, and, as the researchers note, the features of the historical development of Germany, as well as factors generated by the specific situation in the country determined the highest degree of completeness of the main signs of fascism in its German form, and in the most aggressive.
    1. Johns
      Johns 25 October 2017 21: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Green
      The standard for all varieties of fascism was Italian fascism.

      And for the "fascists" Bonaparte and Cromwell too?
      You are talking nonsense on a training manual without even thinking about words.
      Quote: Alexander Green
      who even tried to get his own international.

      Gee-gee-gee. Chezh did not issue?
      As I understand it, the topic "the second wave of bourgeois revolutions after WW1" passed by your mind.
      My condolences.
      Quote: Alexander Green
      Specific forms were in Italy, and in Germany, and in Spain, and in Poland, and in Japan.

      Yes Yes. And in France, the USA and Britain, long before Mussolini, his influence was also felt.
      And in Japan, of course, too. I would not be surprised if they didn’t know about it at all.
      Quote: Alexander Green
      In Germany, the Nazi party, having come to power, also established a fascist regime

      Did Italian advisers help? Or was the regime still Nazi, not fascist?
      Quote: Alexander Green
      determined the highest degree of completeness of the main signs of fascism in its German form

      I remember the French "fascism" of Napoleon was also quite aggressive. Who had a "degree of completeness of the main signs of fascism", Napoleon or Hitler?
      No, well, these retired district committee instructors have already gotten really stupid and dusty manuals.
      1. Alexander Greene
        Alexander Greene 26 October 2017 22: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: Johns
        I remember the French "fascism" of Napoleon was also quite aggressive.

        By this you only emphasize your ignorance, fascism is a product of imperialism, read what characteristic features of fascism you will understand how it differs from the rule of Napoleon and even more so from communism.
    2. verner1967
      verner1967 26 October 2017 10: 15 New
      0
      Quote: Alexander Green
      Italian fascism influenced ideology, organizational forms, political tactics and propaganda methods,

      You look, change the word fascism to the word communism, and then do not notice the catch. And what form of fascism was in the USSR of the 20-30s?
      1. Pancir026
        Pancir026 26 October 2017 10: 23 New
        +3
        Quote: verner1967
        And what form of fascism was in the USSR of the 20-30s?

        None.
        You have the same incredible ability to lie and distort.
        I wonder what special school taught you such Solzhenitsynism-Sakharovism-Hitlerism in one bottle?
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 26 October 2017 10: 31 New
          +1
          And if it is an innate talent?
        2. verner1967
          verner1967 3 November 2017 18: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: Pancir026
          which special school taught you

          I studied in a normal Soviet school. And you, apparently, were not taught to think there. Only read and rewrite bypassing the brain lol
  22. samarin1969
    samarin1969 25 October 2017 22: 01 New
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    “But in fact, everything remained as before: the rule of the caste of the“ elect ”over the masses. However, the Russian Communists, led by Stalin, broke this sophisticated plan of the Western masters.”
    There is simply a hard-to-describe number of interpretations of the events of 1917. Mr. Samsonov proposed his own version. Its essence is that Lenin and Stalin corrected the “hellish cuisine” of Trotsky. ... The author is trying to call the Soviet state "Russia." This is a ritual tradition, but no more. After 1917, Russia became, as China of the time of the Manchu Qing Dynasty - alien elite, alien culture, resources spent for other people's interests. “RF” or “USSR” are simply different forms of an alien ruling elite.
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 26 October 2017 06: 58 New
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      Quote: samarin1969
      resources are spent for other people's interests.

      especially since 1941 began to spend heavily ....
  23. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 26 October 2017 01: 06 New
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    As part of the election campaign of Zyuganov.
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  25. Savignon
    Savignon 26 October 2017 14: 51 New
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    Why did I read this next nonsense from the bunker. Everything is sucked out of the finger.
  26. Tula gingerbread
    Tula gingerbread 26 October 2017 16: 32 New
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    Johns,
    Liberal tales again? Uninteresting, Svanidze has long told them. And the fact that in the 20th there was a campaign of Poland at first, is it also a "trade"? You do not like to remember this.
  27. Tula gingerbread
    Tula gingerbread 26 October 2017 16: 38 New
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    Johns,
    Von Braun. Sturmbanfuhrer SS. Read the book about the trade of US private companies with Germany, the American author of "Trade with the Enemy" and Roosevelt knew very well about this but said that he could not do anything, since it was not public but private campaigns. And laugh less and be rude, and then look like ... well, I’ll say nothing, or else you’ll be angry.
    1. Karen
      Karen 26 October 2017 17: 16 New
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      Quote: Tula gingerbread
      Johns,
      Von Braun. Sturmbanfuhrer SS. Read the book about the trade of US private companies with Germany, the American author of "Trade with the Enemy" and Roosevelt knew very well about this but said that he could not do anything, since it was not public but private campaigns.

      Boris, I'll add a cherry on the gingerbread ...
      Somehow the Amer pilot landed the plane at the Nashen airfield ... Well, after the alcohol they began to check the maps ... our people asked, what is circled in red, what are the goals? Amer said that this is private property and it is forbidden to bomb :)
  28. Ulan
    Ulan 26 October 2017 21: 03 New
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    verner1967,
    You may have fought along with Hitler. You better know.
  29. Ulan
    Ulan 26 October 2017 22: 32 New
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    Karen,
    So what was the beginning? At first they didn’t pay money and therefore the strikes? Or at first the strikes and then did not pay the money? You have what kind of cart-horse logic. If there is logic at all.
  30. Karen
    Karen 27 October 2017 10: 09 New
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    Quote: Ulan
    Karen,
    So what was the beginning? At first they didn’t pay money and therefore the strikes? Or at first the strikes and then did not pay the money? You have what kind of cart-horse logic. If there is logic at all.

    The workers didn’t pay money almost always, although Khrushchev later admitted that he could rent an apartment and keep his family on his salary :)
    But the British money rushed to the revolutionaries, and they paid the strikers even more than they would have received at the machine ... Well, all this money for organizing the murders of government officials and horsemen (more than 12000 tons) fell from the sky?
    I see the logic :)))
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 27 October 2017 14: 11 New
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      Did Gapon kill officials right at the strikes? Right in the morning of January 9, he entered the RSDLP and let's kill ...
      1. Karen
        Karen 27 October 2017 15: 54 New
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        Quote: mat-vey
        Did Gapon kill officials right at the strikes? Right in the morning of January 9, he entered the RSDLP and let's kill ...

        You better tell us about your Beauties, where did they get the money from ... It is about which the “Demons" warned.
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 27 October 2017 16: 18 New
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          But German or English? Either the Germans paid you, the British paid money specifically to the “Assembly of Russian factory workers of St. Petersburg? ... but the workers went to the strike because foreign money did not reach them, or because loafers were and for free wanted to get a salary?
          1. Karen
            Karen 27 October 2017 17: 17 New
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            Who organized the strikes at the end of the life of the USSR, the workers? I now know who got bags of money here, that they sent by planes here to organize the undermining of the country.
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 27 October 2017 17: 21 New
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              mat-vey 2 Today, 16:18 ↑
              But German or English? Either the Germans paid you, the British paid money specifically to the “Assembly of Russian factory workers of St. Petersburg? ... but the workers went to the strike because foreign money did not reach them, or because loafers were and for free wanted to get a salary?
              1. Karen
                Karen 27 October 2017 18: 13 New
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                Probably the most English ... The Germans love the bill, the pool muckers ... But what currency did Schiff give out?
                It’s clear about the workers, a difficult life, but rogues brought them to strikes for their own purposes ... as at the end of the life of the USSR.
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 27 October 2017 18: 17 New
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                  Quote: Karen
                  It’s clear about the workers, a difficult life, but rogues brought them to strikes for their own purposes

                  Well, yes, and so the workers were ready to die, and preferably whole families ... although some, especially advanced, preferred a bullet, a saber, or at worst that would be thrown from the train at full speed ....
                  1. Karen
                    Karen 27 October 2017 19: 22 New
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                    I have repeatedly mentioned the book "Lenin and Shaumyan." Read there 20 pages of telegrams ... It will be clearer.
                    1. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 27 October 2017 19: 28 New
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                      So, did Shaumyan and Gapon beat the workers on a strike on January 9?
  31. Dead duck
    Dead duck 7 November 2017 11: 46 New
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    Quote: Johns
    On the side, not on the side, but against Poland in 1939, they fought together.

    Soft and warm should not be confused.
    The USSR had its own interests and he defended them. Moreover, I had the opportunity to create a "buffer".
    Pshekam fell back on the partition of Czechoslovakia.
    Quote: Johns
    2 MV started 03.09.1939

    It began in books from Poland, and in reality, from the division of Czechoslovakia.
    Quote: Johns
    With your ignorance, it would be worthwhile to know that since the 11.12.1941, the United States has been at war with Germany

    They also fight with igil, especially in Iraq and Syria.
    Quote: Johns
    Can you name the names of "sheltered Nazi criminals"?

    Read the "Press", you all know.