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Divination on the wreckage of the Tu-154

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The State Commission, headed by Transport Minister Maxim Sokolov, blamed the tragic death of 84 passengers and eight crew members of the aircraft commander Roman Volkov, a military pilot of the 1 class who had flown 3500 hours, of which 1900 on Tu-154. But the causes of the disaster over the Black Sea still raise many questions.

As a person who served a lot in the Air Force and dealt with flight safety, I also wonder why such a competent commission for investigating an air crash accused a highly professional crew of inability to cope with an emergency situation on board.

Lost on the ground?

In fact, what happened in 70 seconds of flight, the commission, apparently, was not able to thoroughly understand.

As is known, about a minute after separation from the runway, the Tu-154-B2 gained an altitude of about 250 meters and a speed of the order of 360 – 370 kilometers per hour. Immediately after this, the abnormal situation began to develop rapidly on board.

At a press conference on the work of the government commission, head of flight safety aviation The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation Sergey Bainetov said that “the radio exchange was extremely short. A special situation was within 10 seconds ... ”That is, according to him, before that, everything was going pretty well. However, the analysis of the crew’s radio exchange not only in the last seconds of the flight, but also on the ground suggests the opposite. The first deputy chairman of the State Duma Committee on Defense, Andrei Krasov, is inclined to this point of view: “Something extraordinary was supposed to happen.”

The Russian Defense Ministry, in turn, also reported an emergency situation aboard the Tu-154-БХNUMX before the crash. What turned out to be extraordinary on earth?

From the open access part of the investigation materials it follows that “the aircraft commander R. Volkov began to experience difficulties in determining his own position on the territory of the aerodrome”, which was connected with his idea of ​​the upcoming take-off course. Volkov allegedly did not understand which of the two runways he would take off from. But the Sochi airport is equipped with an illumination of the indexes of the taxiways and runway numbers. According to experts, it is impossible to “get lost” there. In addition, the Volkov airfield was familiar. Moreover, if the liner commander was lost on the ground, a ban on take-off should immediately follow, which did not happen. So, everything was normal or hide from the public that it is not so? But then there are even more questions.

In the materials of the investigation of the violation of spatial orientation (situational awareness), it says that in 70 seconds of flying at altitudes up to 300 meters even a beginner is very difficult to get lost. And at the helm was an experienced pilot who flew, we repeat, on the Tu-154 1900 hours. Volkov was constantly taking off with a pitch for pitching, which you could not do otherwise than on the artificial horizon. Nearby was a trained full-time crew who monitored the situation and would react to the deviations of the instruments. It is hard to believe that their testimony was ignored for several tens of seconds, and collectively. The actual withdrawal of the co-pilot and the navigator from ensuring a safe flight cannot be explained either. Ex-Head of Air Force Flight Safety Service (1997 – 2002), Honored Military Pilot, Major General of Aviation Boris Tumanov is convinced: two professionals could not lose
spatial orientation, and the disaster occur due to erroneous (that is, conscious) actions of the crew. Unless, of course, at this time his spatial orientation (situational awareness) was disturbed.

Similar cases were investigated by doctors of the Air Force of Great Britain. Violation of spatial orientation may occur when the parameters exceed the normal for the life of the flight personnel. These are temperatures from + 20 ° and overloading over 1 units. But the work of the crew of the Tu-154-B2 corresponded to the usual parameters of life. Therefore, the violation of spatial orientation, to put it mildly, is problematic. However, the state commission made such a conclusion. Why?

The investigation states that this "could have contributed (but could not have contributed! - I. S.) the resulting excessive neuropsychic tension caused by a combination of a number of situational professional psychological stress factors against the background of natural emotional and physiological fatigue; the lack of sustainable skills in the distribution of attention and maintaining the specified flight parameters at the stage of take-off and climb. " And this is a professionally trained aircraft commander and crew?

"Direct" indication of the spatial position of the aircraft roll is displayed on the command flight instrument (CAT), it is impossible not to notice. Then where did it come from that it caused difficulties for a particular aircraft commander? The young pilot during retraining on the simulator - maybe. And Roman Volkov, once again, was an experienced pilot. In addition, in case of failure of the transmission there is a backup device - AGR-72 artificial horizon.

By the way, if the “special situation” appeared on the ground, then why did the air traffic controllers in the airport area not provide the crew with timely assistance? The investigation inquiries about this read as follows: “The omissions in the control of the organization of the flights, the objective control and the flight work of the 800 (AB) management team contributed to the air accident ...”
Is it too lightly: “The omissions of ... the management team of the 800 aircraft base contributed to the accident?” This is not a vegetable base or even a Voentorg base. The flight of the old and glorious историяThis is a long-established living organism of the Air Force. The elite special-purpose division, which performs state tasks, has established itself as a responsible and trouble-free unit. There was laid the system of reliable operation of aviation equipment and the training of aviation personnel. A strict control of ensuring on the ground and in the air trouble-free operation and flight safety has been established. Under Serdyukov, they reassigned 8 th hell (OH) to 800 th (AB), lowering the status, but did not reduce its responsibility. Some shortcomings in the training of the crew, of course, may occur. But in principle, noted by the commission and entailed a catastrophe, I, as an expert, do not believe.
Explicit contradictions can be traced in the evaluations of the commander. From the investigation materials follows: “R. Volkov was not ready to fly on the psychological, professional and physiological criteria as a pilot, as a ship commander, as responsible for the safety of passengers. ” But before that there were completely different ratings. “The crew of the crashed Tu-154-БХNUMX was ready to perform the flight, the level of its qualification corresponded to the fulfillment of the flight mission,” stated the same Bynett in an interview. He was supported at that moment by Commander-in-Chief of the VKS Colonel-General Viktor Bondarev: “Volkov is a perfectly prepared first-class military pilot ...”

I can not even imagine that the country's leadership could appoint an unprepared flight crew for such a responsible task. As Boris Tumanov said, “the commander of the Tu-154-B2 crew with such professional training and raid on the Tu-154 1900 hours cannot get into a situation of spatial distortion, especially on takeoff when piloting the instrument instrument.”

Mirage on the course

During the search operation, more than 200 fragments of the crashed aircraft were found, including the side hull of the 3,5 size per 4,5 meter with portholes, tail section with engine pieces, a separate engine, landing gear… 20 bodies and numerous air passenger remains were lifted. Such a spread only happens when an aircraft is destroyed in the air.

Although the mass accumulation point of fragments was located six kilometers from the coastline, where the depth is from 80 to 100 meters, debris and personal belongings were found on a fairly large area, some of them are in 12 – 14 kilometers. In this regard, serious experts talk about the possibility of an explosion on board. Hence, the version of the attack is not excluded.

According to the expert in the aerospace field Vadim Lukashevich, the investigation had too little information. Therefore, it is difficult to talk about any specific causes of the disaster.

Specialists involved in the investigation, found that the commander of the crew before the fall of the plane pressed the rudder pedals, which are usually not used during takeoff. As if trying to get around an unexpected obstacle. At the same time, the commission rejected the option of external influence and technical malfunction of the liner. One gets the impression that before the plane there was indeed some kind of obstacle, perhaps a flock of birds or even a mirage. However, experienced pilots believe that there is again not enough reason to talk about a pilot error.

“Aircraft on takeoff falls very rarely, especially of this class. It has three engines, very reliable. It could not be that someone flew up to him, he could bump into something. And then a sharp fall, it happens in the case when something irregular happened, something exploded, something fell off ... The pilot could turn on the distress signal, but this also did not happen. I cannot sin on the crew, but the equipment does not break down right away, ”instructor pilot Andrey Krasnoperov shared his thoughts. - If the liner fell intact, it would just disappear in the water, and an oil stain would form at the site of its fall, then fragments would surface ... And then they even found a person who suffered damage from debris in the coastal zone, and then the remnants of the aircraft . All this suggests that parts of the liner fell randomly. "
Apparently, the poor quality of the initial data (their absence) did not allow the investigation participants to thoroughly restore the whole scheme of the development of the emergency situation on board the Tu-154-БХNUMX and, accordingly, to come to a common opinion.

An additional problem was the flight recorder, created in the 80-s, and is essentially a reel tape recorder of those years. It was not damaged, but to obtain full information from it at the Research and Development Center for maintenance and repair of the AT Air Force of the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation, no equipment or specialists remained. I had to ask for help from the MAC, but the transcript of the record added a bit to the investigation.

Let's reproduce those last 10 seconds of the crew’s activities before the plane crashed into the Black Sea through some versions and opinions. The commission to investigate the crash of the Tu-154-B2 stated: at 73-th second, having touched the surface of the sea with its left wing, it collapsed into parts and sank. I emphasize: in parts, but not in fragments, as it turned out in reality. At the time of the collision, the left bank was about 50 degrees, the instrument speed was 540 kilometers per hour. The liner managed to fly over the sea 1270 meters. Where did the numerous fragments come from at such a low flight speed and low altitude?

Initially, it was 15 and even more versions of the disaster. When received data from the two "black boxes", it was twice less. But the remaining versions have not yet been made public by officials. “One cannot say about one reason for this accident,” emphasized Sergey Baynetov. “These reasons lie in the field of both the human factor, aviation technology, and external conditions.” According to him (before the Commission adopted the final conclusions), the development of a special situation on board could have been affected by some kind of mechanical effect. But this promise also does not add anything and does not say anything specifically. All from the area of ​​assumptions that could be made and non-specialists. And what really was the cause of the disaster, the relatives of the victims, the Russian public do not know. "The investigation is over, forget ..."

After the tragic event almost a year passed. But even after this time had passed, I personally didn’t feel better and calmer. As a pilot and expert, I feel innuendo, some kind of silence, lack of clear explanations for a number of screaming facts about the behavior of the aircraft and crew on that early morning in Sochi on December 25.

For the conclusions of the state commission were not only questions to which no answers were received, but also logical contradictions, inconsistencies. It may be beneficial for someone that the Tu-154-B2 crash remains a mystery with seven seals. But not the Russian public. Truth must triumph sooner or later.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 28 October 2017 06: 13 New
    +4
    Fortunetelling on coffee grounds. This can’t be because there can’t be anything like that .. It’s certainly easy to blame everything on the dead person .. Something happened there that they really don’t want to publish. It's like Gagarin’s death. And not now, not later most likely they will not say.
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 28 October 2017 21: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: 210ox
      . Of course it is easy to blame everything on the deceased person .. What happened there is such that they really do not want to publish.

      Conclusions are made by the "head of the commission." And who is included in the commission itself? Minister of Transport Sokolov and others? You read for the chairman Sokolov. He has the same relation to transport as almost any of us - USER! He is a modern protege for the post, an ordinary manager! He is an economist by training, and professionals of the department, in this case, aviation, should investigate and draw conclusions!
      1. Mikhail Zubkov
        Mikhail Zubkov 29 October 2017 02: 06 New
        +2
        For a long time it is necessary to drive such ministers and such "investigators"! "Economist"! He wrote off to the pilot the failures of the security services that allowed saboteurs to or on the plane, or to burdock passengers! They thrust a parcel to someone from the ensemble, a sucker and took a mine in his luggage - tore the board into fragments. Or they could even hitch it in the dark while refueling in Sochi ... Enemies of sabotage have worked professionally - with the expectation of economist ministers, including! Moreover, the bookmarks could be two or more, both inside and outside, and in Moscow and Sochi ...
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 28 October 2017 07: 06 New
    +2
    ... questions, questions and questions ... if in doubt, then not everything is as indicated in the documents on the investigation of the accident with the Tu-154 ...
  3. TRex
    TRex 28 October 2017 08: 56 New
    +3
    Here professionals from the aviation industry can answer - how difficult and expensive is it to equip aircraft technology of the last century with modern avionics? At least modern, digital recorders should be attached ... Do you need to install any control systems at airports to fix takeoff and landing at least to a long-distance drive? What we have - a plane in Rostov sticks right into the runway. We see a vague video from the watchman from the parking lot ... In Sochi, the plane crashes 5-6 km from the runway - no one sees anything at all, does not control ... Then we scratch our turnips and guess what it was.
  4. Olgovich
    Olgovich 28 October 2017 09: 01 New
    +3
    Nearby was a trained full-time crew

    The author, it turns out, did NOT READ the report of the Commission. who stated that the crew was assembled from different crews before departure. What coordinated actions are there!

    The commission formally concluded. And there is no reason to not believe her
    Pilots are people, and people, alas, can be wrong ...
    1. Titsen
      Titsen 29 October 2017 23: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: Olgovich
      The commission formally concluded. And there is no reason to not believe her


      Very, very sorry that the MINUS was canceled - you would have been mined to an absolute zero!
  5. midshipman
    midshipman 28 October 2017 11: 05 New
    +2
    Igor's doubts are justified. I have the honor.
  6. Cop
    Cop 28 October 2017 11: 18 New
    +4
    Mr. Semenchenko, why did you so modestly keep silent about the possibility of the crew, to put it mildly, not be completely sober .... Or do you think this is a bad manners for Russian pilots? So I once read in the Metro newspaper how a drunk commander V.S. was taken off a flight at the airport in Helsinki Norwegian airline. Maybe the whole thing is Mr. Semenchenko?
    1. NIKNN
      NIKNN 28 October 2017 12: 49 New
      +6
      Quote: Cop
      So I once read in the newspaper "Metro"

      Do not read tabloid newspapers before dinner, it is very bad for digestion ...
      The author said that 7 (seven) versions remained not completely rejected, they chose the one they chose. Your version could explain the probability of losing spatial orientation (in a given state, depending on the dose, you can lose spatial orientation without an airplane), but this really does not explain such a spread of debris ... It’s not drunk that they scattered them like that ... request
  7. Cop
    Cop 28 October 2017 13: 38 New
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    Quote: NIKNN
    Quote: Cop
    So I once read in the newspaper "Metro"

    Do not read tabloid newspapers before dinner, it is very bad for digestion ...

    Those. Do you think that the author lied? Or should he have been sent on a flight?

    The author said that 7 (seven) versions remained not completely rejected, they chose the one they chose. Your version could explain the probability of losing spatial orientation (in a given state, depending on the dose, you can lose spatial orientation without an airplane), but this really does not explain such a spread of debris ... It’s not drunk that they scattered them like that ... request

    Did you Mr. NIKNN go to school? Well, imagine a speed of 540 km. in hour. An airplane flies 150 meters per second. Yes, at such a speed, a collision with water is the same as with a concrete wall. Hence the destruction to fragments. And the fragments by the current (and there is a strong current there, as was reported in the Vesti report) were so far apart.
    1. Ivan Tartugai
      Ivan Tartugai 28 October 2017 19: 55 New
      +5
      Quote: Cop
      Yes, at such a speed, a collision with water is the same as with a concrete wall.

      You still do not read the yellow press, tabloid newspapers.
      Water is water, and the concrete wall remains the concrete wall. It’s one thing if a plane falls to water and it’s quite another, you just imagine if the same plane, with the same speed, from the same height will fall not onto water, but onto concrete. They studied at school.
      Compare, for example, the A-321 airbus flight from Egypt fell on the rocky soil of the desert, and not on water, and fell from a height of 10000 meters, and not 250-300 meters like the Sochi Tu-154. But there is no such small fragmentation of the ship into fragments from an impact on rocky soil, there is no such a large dispersion of aircraft parts from an impact on rocky soil either. The fragments are very large, not even fragments, but parts of the plane, the wings are generally whole, although pretty badly damaged by a fire, but it is already burnt on the ground. Things, suitcases, trunks are almost whole. The bodies were identifiable.
      And the Sochi Tu-154 was chopped into small fragments. Of the 92 bodies of passengers and crew, 76 bodies were torn into fragments, such a thing cannot happen to a man’s body in a chair, and even in the shell of a ship’s hull from falling from a height of 250-300 meters. Yes, and scattered fragments of the aircraft, bodies, fragments of bodies with a radius of about 6 km, and this at an altitude of 250-300 meters, and when hit by water. There can be no such consequences only from a simple plane crashing into water from a height of 250-300 meters, at a speed of about 500-400 km / h.
      Here it was not just a fall from an airplane malfunction or from the human factor desired by the generals of the RF Ministry of Defense, i.e. from pilot error. There was an explosion on board the liner, and a powerful explosion, which the vessel tore into small fragments, and the bodies of passengers and crew members tore into fragments, and scattered everything so that some of the fragments hit the shore, and a person on the shore was injured.
      1. water
        water 29 October 2017 00: 56 New
        +4
        It should be noted that when the plane simply crashes (engine failure, etc.), it crashes at a speed of 80-90 meters per second, which is 290-320 km / h. Here is an acute angle to the horizon and speed in 400-500 kilometers per hour.
        I had to look for and raise combat aircraft that fell into the water at about these speeds. In this case, only chassis racks, engine and weapons remained integral fragments. The rest was crushed, mostly into pieces a little larger than a palm. However, the length of the strip on which the wreckage was located was not more than a kilometer.
  8. Megamarcel
    Megamarcel 28 October 2017 20: 28 New
    0
    Could it be that some weapons were transported on board? Based on the fact that the plane flew to Syria and the army group experienced and is experiencing supply problems there, this could be. Well, for example, they could
  9. erofich
    erofich 28 October 2017 20: 42 New
    +2
    Yes, hell who of the bosses admits that some kind of weapon was on board. This will spoil their image.
  10. Megamarcel
    Megamarcel 28 October 2017 21: 12 New
    +1
    And they could carry ammunition officially or not. Well, for example, with the goal of selling and making money. Something went wrong and they exploded. This may explain the fact that there were many small fragments and their large scatter. Dangerous cargo detaniroal and tore the plane including. To acknowledge this version is to acknowledge the fact that there was either sloppiness or a gray scheme. And this does not fit into the heroic scheme. It’s easier to blame the crew and the ends of putting in.
  11. Cop
    Cop 28 October 2017 23: 52 New
    +1
    Quote: Ivan Tartugay
    Quote: Cop
    Yes, at such a speed, a collision with water is the same as with a concrete wall.

    You still do not read the yellow press, tabloid newspapers.

    You need to read only your expert opinions ....

    Water is water, and the concrete wall remains the concrete wall. It’s one thing if a plane falls to water and it’s quite another, you just imagine if the same plane, with the same speed, from the same height will fall not onto water, but onto concrete. They studied at school.
    I imagined the plane would fall apart, and there would be a fire.

    Compare, for example, the A-321 airbus flight from Egypt fell on the rocky soil of the desert, and not on water, and fell from a height of 10000 meters, and not 250-300 meters like the Sochi Tu-154. But there is no such small fragmentation of the ship into fragments from an impact on rocky soil, there is no such a large dispersion of aircraft parts from an impact on rocky soil either. The fragments are very large, not even fragments, but parts of the plane, the wings are generally whole, although pretty badly damaged by a fire, but it is already burnt on the ground. Things, suitcases, trunks are almost whole. The bodies were identifiable.
    And the Sochi Tu-154 was chopped into small fragments. Of the 92 bodies of passengers and crew, 76 bodies were torn into
    fragments, such with the human body in the chair, and even in the shell of the hull only from falling from a height of 250-300 meters cannot occur. Yes, and scattered fragments of the aircraft, bodies, fragments of bodies with a radius of about 6 km, and this at an altitude of 250-300 meters, and when hit by water. There can be no such consequences only from a simple plane crashing into water from a height of 250-300 meters, at a speed of about 500-400 km / h.

    And you multiply the mass of the plane by its speed and calculate the force of impact. And then figure out what the dural product will turn into. And look at least on Google and look at the wreckage of this plane.

    Here it was not just a fall from an airplane malfunction or from the human factor desired by the generals of the RF Ministry of Defense, i.e. from pilot error. There was an explosion on board the liner, and a powerful explosion, which the vessel tore into small fragments, and the bodies of passengers and crew members tore into fragments, and scattered everything so that some of the fragments hit the shore, and a person on the shore was injured.


    A Kommersant correspondent in the Krasnodar Territory reports that at the time of the crash, none of the local residents heard the explosion and did not see the outbreak.
    "Aviation experts studied the state of the voice recorder from Tu-154 of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, and were also able to decrypt the record stored on it without problems. A source close to the investigation told Life. The film recorded the crew’s talks and conversations inside the cockpit was not damaged. The last words of one of the crew members: “Flaps, s * ka!” And then a cry sounds: “Commander, we are falling!”
    You’d better teach the mat part .....
    1. Megamarcel
      Megamarcel 29 October 2017 11: 36 New
      -1
      When it comes to general epaulettes, there may be any kind of record on the tape. And even obvious facts to be uncomplicated. An experienced crew in fine weather just picked up and crashed the car on the water. Oh well. There should be three main versions; the car was technically faulty (very likely, because one out of 2-3 used cars were assembled), there was a terrorist attack, or some kind of explosion on board (there might not have been a big flash). But in fact it turns out that they simply want to blame all the blame on the dead crew. After all, it’s very difficult to recognize and work out another version, given that one of the high bosses knows the terrible truth. Especially considering tight control over the media.
      1. Cop
        Cop 29 October 2017 12: 30 New
        +1
        Mr. MegaMarcel, if you work here, then at least work out the money invested in you. Why are you writing all sorts of nonsense. Speech and parametric recorders were not affected. And members of the commission most likely know the true cause of the disaster.
        Hence the conclusions made by the commission. The version of the attack is very profitable for the Russian Defense Ministry. Everything can be attributed to this. Crew
        can be made heroes, and passengers martyrs. But, if the parametric recorder recorded a regular job
        engines and other components of the aircraft before a collision with water, it becomes obvious that the cause of the disaster is the actions of the crew. And if the crew’s actions were as described by the author of the article, then personally I had a question, but was the crew so healthy? After all, if he was not quite healthy, then what kind of insurance payments can we talk about? And this is 7,5 million each. Open the newspaper RBC Daily No. 241 (2497) from 27.12.2016/XNUMX/XNUMX and read about it yourself. That is why the commission members write such reports.
    2. Ivan Tartugai
      Ivan Tartugai 29 October 2017 12: 37 New
      0
      Quote: Cop
      Aviation experts studied the state of the flight recorder from Tu-154 of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, as well as were able to decrypt the record without any problemsstored on it.

      You write there were no problems with the recorder. But in the article the opposite problems with the recorder were.
      Quote from the article:
      An additional problem was the flight recorder, created in the 80s and representing essentially a reel tape recorder of those years. It was not damaged, but in order to receive complete information from it, there was no equipment or specialists left in the SIC for the operation and repair of AT Air Force of the RF Ministry of Defense. I had to ask for help at the IACbut the transcript of the record added a bit to the investigation.

      Something, you even read the article inattentively, what kind of materiel is here for you (or how you write the "mate part") to learn.
      Concerning source close to the investigation, so this is the same as the OBS.
      Now, if you had such information:
      “The investigation is still considering six versions of what happened,” the First Deputy Chief of the Operations Directorate of the Air Force General Staff (1997–2003), leading adviser to the Committee on Defense and Security of the Federation Council (2003–2013) told the Military-Industrial Courier Major General Igor Semenchenko. - But personally, I think that it could still be terrorist act».

      This is a more specific person than a person close to the investigation. Of course, here too, one cannot believe 100%, but nevertheless, information is more specific than OBS, i.e. face close to the investigation.
      Since everything was transferred to another company for decryption, the number of persons responsible for the accuracy of decryption of the recorder's records also increased. Did you know that with the increase in the number of responsible persons responsibility itself spreads, dissolves, disappears. So what last words one of the crew members said, or maybe one of the crew members did not say anything at all, remains unknown to the general public.
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    Cop
    Cop 29 October 2017 14: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: Ivan Tartugay
    Quote: Cop
    Aviation experts studied the state of the flight recorder from Tu-154 of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, as well as were able to decrypt the record without any problemsstored on it.

    You write there were no problems with the recorder. But in the article the opposite problems with the recorder were.
    Quote from the article:
    An additional problem was the flight recorder, created in the 80s and representing essentially a reel tape recorder of those years. It was not damaged, but in order to receive complete information from it, there was no equipment or specialists left in the SIC for the operation and repair of AT Air Force of the RF Ministry of Defense. I had to ask for help at the IACbut the transcript of the record added a bit to the investigation.

    Аthe second article, let’s say so, somewhat distorts reality. Voice recorder from the Mars-BM kit
    (especially for your education) this orange cylinder was lifted from the bottom, and was shown to us in one of the news releases on December 27, 2016. Recording is carried out on magnetic tape, on 4 tracks. Three of them carry information from the selected SPU channels (aircraft intercom), the fourth track is written from the microphone in the cockpit (all the noises that are present in the space of the crew cabin). The tape recorder records the last 30 minutes. flight, then the reverse turns on, and the film passes in the opposite direction for 30 minutes. The safety of information in salt water for two days. The equipment for picking up sound information from it should be at every normal airport, incl. and in Sochi. This is a routine operation and serves to improve the quality of pilot training. In Sochi, they were afraid to take responsibility and therefore passed it on most likely to NII-13.
    [/B]
    Something, you even read the article inattentively, what kind of materiel is here for you (or how you write the "mate part") to learn.
    Here is a study of the device and principle of operation of a voice recorder and is a study of [b] MATCH And, if you studied it, then you would not have written this nonsense.

    Concerning source close to the investigation, so this is the same as the OBS.
    So after all, the opinion of Comrade Major General did not go far from the very OBS.

    Now, if you had such information:
    “The investigation is still considering six versions of what happened,” the First Deputy Chief of the Operations Directorate of the Air Force General Staff (1997–2003), leading adviser to the Committee on Defense and Security of the Federation Council (2003–2013) told the Military-Industrial Courier Major General Igor Semenchenko. - But personally, I think that it could still be terrorist act».

    This is a more specific person than a person close to the investigation. Of course, here too, one cannot believe 100%, but nevertheless, information is more specific than OBS, i.e. face close to the investigation.
    He should be trusted very carefully, he is an interested person. But MAK in theory there.

    Since everything was transferred to another company for decryption, the number of persons responsible for the accuracy of decryption of the recorder's records also increased. Did you know that with the increase in the number of responsible persons responsibility itself spreads, dissolves, disappears. So what last words one of the crew members said, or maybe one of the crew members did not say anything at all, remains unknown to the general public.
    It’s right that they transferred to another company. Maybe at least they will tell the truth. And the best thing would be to publish a transcript of the negotiations of the pilots.
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  1. iouris
    iouris 30 October 2017 19: 21 New
    +1
    Quote: "An additional problem was the flight recorder, created in the 80s ..."
    Since the aircraft flies, it means that the ground-based decoding device must also be in the operating organization and in the organizations that participate in the investigation of aircraft accidents, and the specialists of these organizations have very high qualifications and equipment that can read data even in case of destruction of the information carrier. Without analysis of the data from the flight recorders and verification of their serviceability, the aircraft cannot be allowed to fly.
  • iouris
    iouris 29 October 2017 21: 36 New
    +1
    Guessing about the crash is a pointless exercise. If the data of the flight recorders are decrypted (and this is approved), then it makes sense only to analyze the reasons for which well-defined departments and their leaders decided to classify the results of the investigation and the causes of the disaster.
  • intuzazist
    intuzazist 31 October 2017 19: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: Mikhail Zubkov
    Or they could hitch it outside in the dark when refueling in Sochi ...

    The board in Sochi got on a spare, for refueling! Since the base in Mozdok was not flying weather! If something is attached or "transferred" so only in Moscow ................
  • kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 31 October 2017 20: 16 New
    0
    Quote: Starover_Z
    Minister of Transport Sokolov ... He is a modern henchman, ordinary menager

    Here is the answer to all the questions! When does a simple and friendly bookkeeper become a beast like a tiger? Correctly! Then when you need to give a penny out of your pocket.
    And in order not to give ... subscribe to any meanness. He’ll spoil everyone and pour mud over him.
    And you say “state commission”! Well, at least only one captain was lied to ... They could have pulled all the passengers together.
  • kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 31 October 2017 20: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: intuzazist
    If something is attached or "transferred" so only in Moscow ................

    and not at all surprised by this: where else? It is there that the main enemies of the people and their patrons are operating.
  • yashka12007
    yashka12007 31 October 2017 21: 52 New
    +1
    most likely the flyers were drunk in shit, and they poured them an ensemble of songs and dances because there was no one in the cockpit except the commander. Talk to the pilots how thunderous one flies in flight. But no one will ever officially tell about this.
  • Servla
    Servla 31 October 2017 23: 52 New
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    Bombs, sabotage, Water is not concrete, and so on - you are all such specialists that you listen, and you can go to Durkee. The last words of the second pilot - "flaps, with * ka", "commander, fall." As a result, it turns out that this is a stupidly human factor, which had to be in mind the diverse crew, namely the second pilot, who did not fly on this type of aircraft, flew on his old modification, where at the place where he removed the flaps during climb were controls chassis cleaning. Do you feel? the second pilot was sure that he took off the landing gear on take-off, and eventually fell into the water.
    You also tell us about reptilians, from the planet Nibiru, who flew in the form of a Mirage to establish contact with humanity, and then the plane accidentally came across ...
    1. Servla
      Servla 1 November 2017 13: 19 New
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      Left flap retraction mechanism, right - landing gear. Very confident pilots on the machine carry out the same action without thinking about the consequences.