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Rollback empire. What is behind the multi-million embezzlement of the Ministry of Defense funds for the reconstruction of an arsenal for missiles.

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A major corruption scandal involving government contracts from the Department of Defense broke out on Monday, October 9. It became known about large-scale theft of almost 650 million rubles in the course of construction and installation work on the territory of the 51-th arsenal of the Main Rocket and Artillery Directorate, designed to store hundreds of thousands of tons of ammunition of the Russian army in the Vladimir region. Portal iz.ru looked closely at the plot of the case and found some very interesting coincidences.




Exemplary object

The 51 arsenal of the Main Rocket and Artillery Directorate (military unit 11785) is located just to the west of the Kirzhach village in the Vladimir region. Here, according to the Independent Military Review, 274 thousand tons of ammunition can fit in, while the arsenal can hardly be called filled with all 100%. For example, in 2009, about 105 thousand tons of ammunition was stored on the territory of a military warehouse, that is, it was not even half filled.

When repairing the largest rocket arsenal in Russia, 650 million rubles were stolen.
At the same time, the arsenal itself can be called one of exemplary with a certain degree of confidence. The fact is that he already came into the view of the federal press - according to the results of the sensational stories in Ulyanovsk, when the 31st arsenal of the naval flew into the air during a massive fire fleet. Then the Ministry of Defense was forced to arrange press tour It is in Kirzhach - to demonstrate to the public that military warehouses are generally safe and that ammunition is properly stored.

As far as can be judged by the reports and photographs taken on the territory of a military facility in Kirzhach, shells are stored here - both large-caliber and 30-millimeter automatic cannons, as well as anti-tank missiles and anti-aircraft missiles of ground defense complexes. Also on the photographs are the transport and launch containers of the C-300В missiles, and the technical position for maintenance work is the 9М33М3 missiles of the Osa-AKM complex.

In recent years, the Ministry of Defense has regularly concluded contracts for the reconstruction and expansion of ammunition depots, in particular the 51 arsenal, as well as the deployment of modern technical means of protection and video surveillance. Large-scale construction has begun here since the 2008 of the year.

At the end of 2015, 2,5 billion rubles were allocated for the construction of a new storage facility in Kirzhach as part of the renewal of the agreement signed in 2013.


We are going to the auditor

The more interesting events that began to develop on Monday around this arsenal. TV journalists REN TV It became known that on October 9 of 2017, the investigative department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in the Central Administrative District of Moscow initiated a criminal case under the article on fraud in connection with the theft of funds allocated for the construction and reconstruction of facilities for the arsenal in the Vladimir region.

Almost immediately it became clear that the case is based on the materials of the audit, which was initiated by the metropolitan administration of the Federal Security Service: during it, the security forces revealed large-scale theft in the amount of 650 million rubles.

As iz.ru clarified a source familiar with the situation, the reason for initiating a criminal case was the statement of the military-construction complex enterprises with a request to bring the unfair contractor to liability - OOO Spetsmontazh, which violated the deadline for the work. He clarified that, on the initiative, VSK enterprises are taking measures to recover the advance payment paid to the subcontractor.

As far as can be judged from the materials of the case, in 2013, the company Spetsmontazh received a major contract related to the reconstruction of the 51 arsenal object - they were supposed to build a missile caponier here.

The documents even include the advance payment paid for the construction and installation work at a military warehouse, in the amount of 1,23 billion rubles. He entered Spetsstroy’s account in April 2013. However, as the special services managed to find out during the inspection, the reconstruction was not carried out in full, because more than half was stolen from the amount transferred to the accounts - more than 646 million rubles.

By the way, literally a month after the conclusion of the first transaction in 2013, “Spetsmontazh” will win one more, additional state contract for the same 51 arsenal. Only now on 2,7 billion rubles. But even this amount was not enough to complete the task. Official comments on the investigation of the theft of state funds for the repair of missile silos have not yet followed.

Dramatis personae

The very first immersion in the material gives unexpected results. A cross-referential search reveals that at the time of concluding a state contract with Spetsmontazh, someone Alexander Zmihnovsky, who is also the former general director of Oboronenergosbyt, and the person involved in the theft investigation 1 million rubles in the implementation of contracts for the supply of military facilities.

At the moment, the head of the company - a monopolist for the supply of electricity to the enterprises of the Defense Ministry "Oboronenergosbyt" is accused of that from 2011 to 2013 a year he organized repeated overcharges to military structures. Also, according to investigators, he committed the embezzlement of budget funds in the same area with the help of fictitious agreements with two subcontracted organizations under his control.

The funds were transferred to the accounts of one-day firms and cashed. Through the efforts of the FSB, Zmikhnovsky was wanted. According to "Kommersant", the manager is hiding in Turkey, and his property in Russia (two metropolitan apartments and a country house on Rublyovka) has been arrested.

By the way, at the same time another scandal was developing in Spetsstroy, which could hit the positions of another participant in an unclean transaction - Pavel Dutikov, head of the Federal State Unitary Enterprise “General Directorate of Special Construction”, very strongly. Formally, this story is not directly related to the theft in the arsenal, about which we wrote earlier, but it clearly demonstrates the tangle of contradictions that have accumulated by that time in state-owned companies subordinate to the Ministry of Defense.

Another half a billion from the military

In April 2013, the metropolitan administration of the UK brought to justice a lawyer after attempting to bribe a military investigator, in whose proceedings there was a criminal case on the fact of the arbitrariness of the officers of Spetsstroy of Russia.

According to media reports, the victim in this case was an entrepreneur Grigory Bogoslavsky. A few months before, he signed a contract signed by the former head of one of spetsstroevsky enterprises, Viktor Mazanov, according to which he kept the metal at one of the departmental warehouses. But by an unexpected order of the head of the central board of the Spetsstroy of Russia in the Central Federal District Pavel Dutikov, employees of Bogoslavsky’s enterprises were forbidden to appear on the base. The businessman was actually cut off from his "property in the amount of 502,5 million rubles, he also could not fulfill obligations to customers and suffered losses in the form of lost profits in the amount of 64 million rubles."

The entrepreneur wrote a statement to the law enforcement agencies, after which a criminal case was opened. There was a great litigation. However, in March 2013 of the year (that is, a month before the signing of the scandalous contract), the head office went to the world with an entrepreneur, agreeing to compensate him for moral and material harm. At the expense of what funds the state-owned office planned to reimburse multi-million losses to the enterprise, remains unknown. But almost immediately the case was dismissed for reconciliation of the parties.

This investigation became loud after representatives of the Ministry of Defense tried to replay the situation - and offered the investigator for a bribe to open a criminal case against Viktor Mazanov and the injured businessman. The mediator was the chairman of the Moscow Region Bar Association “Law and Man” - he offered the UK officer first a million, then a half million for persecuting the leadership of a military warehouse. The investigator officially informed the management of the generous offer, after which the lawyer was detained red-handed and gave confessions - he said that he had acted on instructions from the deputy chief of the special command house of the Russian Federal District Pavel Dutikov - Igor Kaygorodov. The latter was detained and arrested. It would seem that the story should have ended on this.

But, according to the publication Pravo.ru, the case of the attempted bribe-giving in 2015 was suspended in the Savelovsky District Court due to the fact that Kaygorodov managed to disappear. After changing the measure of restraint, he left the country. Nevertheless, it came to court - Kaigorodov was sentenced in absentia to the 7,5 of the year of a general regime colony and a fine of 60 million rubles. According to iz.ru, he is in the UK and is positioning himself as a victim of political persecution.

Putting an end to this confusing case will not be easy. An episode with embezzlement of funds allocated for the construction of arsenals is only one link in a long chain of corruption. His characters are scattered around the world and get to them is very problematic.

It is regrettable that the appropriated capital is most likely taken abroad and legalized. That is, the money of the budget can not see. The arrests of apartments and other property hardly compensate for the damage.

The Interior Ministry’s comment on the arsenal case in Kirzhach could not be obtained at the time of publication.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 25 October 2017 06: 03
    22
    Is the contractor to blame again?


    And who chose him and who controlled his work?
    The situation was repeated like a carbon copy with the Vostochny spaceport.
    Yes, as much as possible ... this is a systemic disease ... something is wrong with our state if the authorities cannot eliminate this disease. am
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 25 October 2017 06: 27
      28
      How to build civilian objects, so military builders to help the oligarchs, and as the military, they give the work to crooks and crooks. And, if the robbers are given the opportunity to hide, then the stump is clear that they are covered by high authorities from the Russian Defense Ministry.
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 25 October 2017 08: 08
        +8
        Quote: siberalt
        . And, if the robbers are given the opportunity to hide, then the stump is clear that they are covered by high authorities from the Russian Defense Ministry.

        Nada of all contractors for the duration of the contract, with a margin of a year or two, cannot be prevented from leaving the place since they can’t prevent organ leaks.
        And if the person involved in a dump in advance will dump him then a shish and not a contract.
        And then, Panimash, they just started a business, and this rat is already in London.
        1. papas-57
          papas-57 25 October 2017 10: 45
          18
          `` And then, Panimash, they just started a business, and this rat is already in London. '' A small amendment - first a rat in London, and then they start a business. And then after all, he may not have time to escape and will light up the `` roof ''.
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 25 October 2017 10: 47
            0
            Quote: papas-57
            A small amendment - first a rat in London, and then they start a business.

            Proofs will be?
            1. Vladimir16
              Vladimir16 25 October 2017 12: 37
              +2
              It is also regrettable that the appropriated capitals are most likely withdrawn abroad and legalized.

              What kind of expert opinion is this? "Probably". The journalist decided so. Bullshit is all that. Scribble for raising ratings.
              1. Reserve officer
                Reserve officer 26 October 2017 00: 04
                +1
                Quote: Vladimir16
                It is also regrettable that the appropriated capitals are most likely withdrawn abroad and legalized.

                What kind of expert opinion is this? "Probably". The journalist decided so. Bullshit is all that. Scribble for raising ratings.


                Vladimir, you noticed correctly. The author is from the same galaxy of representatives of the "glorious media" who broadcast live on the actions of the security forces during the operation to free the hostages. Anything for the rating. The usual yap in the case of access to the media becomes just an all-knowing expert!
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 25 October 2017 09: 11
      +4
      if power cannot
      or does not want ...
    3. NordUral
      NordUral 25 October 2017 09: 37
      18
      We have been in the power of organized crime groups since the 80s, and not the state.
      1. Krabik
        Krabik 25 October 2017 14: 31
        0
        Who we have in power is clearly shown in the film "Zhmurki" directed by Alexei Balabanov.
    4. kapitan92
      kapitan92 25 October 2017 10: 10
      19
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Yes, as much as possible ... this is a systemic disease ... something is wrong with our state

      Stole - shared - to England! Or Israel! “Something” is wrong with our state for a long time.
      And if the closed media about embezzlement in state corporations get into the media, the authorities will not think enough.
      Recently posted material about billions of dollars lost by the country's budget in the export of hydrocarbons, which caused "fair anger" of some colleagues. wassat
      The country is being stolen, the system has rotted "from top to bottom", and the "plunderers of socialist property" feel great in the "England".
      1. 97110
        97110 25 October 2017 13: 34
        +3
        Quote: kapitan92
        little will not seem to the authorities.

        And what will happen to them? In a capitalist society? I assure you, they, i.e. citizens in power, they did everything not only by law, but also with the implementation of the customs of the port. But it’s unpleasant for the author that “they’re carrying chacha past their nose, and about cherry plum past their company. Smart people explained recently that moral standards in our society have been replaced by legal norms, as it should be in Anglo-Saxon-type capitalism. And how the guards at the entrance to the court just yesterday asked: "Did you have a lawyer? He prepared a statement for you? Goodbye!"
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 25 October 2017 19: 44
          +7
          Quote: 97110
          And what will happen to them?

          "Maidan" they are afraid of Russian. Here you have the Rosguard and the new police equipment. THE AUTHORITY IS AFRAID !!! With us, some kind of "heavenly hundred will not do.
          1. 97110
            97110 25 October 2017 20: 14
            +5
            Quote: kapitan92
            With us, some kind of "heavenly hundred will not do.

            I don’t believe in any Russian rebellion. We will ever grow to a strike, and here the President is PERSONAL! The employer threatens with a finger threateningly, and that’s enough for us. Affection will decrease by all 86%. A frightened employer will promise to pay the salary immediately - the President asked - and continue to do nothing, not to delay, except in special circumstances. Well, there you will need to pay for a yacht, or give something to a new baby. A matter of everyday life, these intolerable workers must understand. And the President is his classmate (both bourgeois classes), he will allow the prosecutor’s eyes to cover for a small bribe. And again silence and grandeur in the air ...
            1. kapitan92
              kapitan92 25 October 2017 20: 24
              +5
              Quote: 97110
              I don’t believe in any Russian rebellion.

              I don’t want it myself !!! Despite the excellent Russian propaganda, for domestic consumption, the "boiling point" is just around the corner. If the Guarantor after March does not begin economic reform and the purge of "talented managers", then the matter will go to the "Zugunder". hi
              1. 97110
                97110 25 October 2017 20: 52
                +1
                Quote: kapitan92
                it comes to the "zugunder"

                Will certainly reach. Without an organization, without Iskra, without American funding, all the rebels will take Zugunder. As marsh leaders, some will even be sentenced. And do not participate in anti-government protests!
        2. Sverdlov
          Sverdlov 31 October 2017 09: 42
          0
          Precisely noticed. The judicial system has established the procedure for legalized bribery. You pay the lawyer - the lawyer rolls the judge, maybe you win. Do not pay - you never win.
          Source https://m.vk.com/id453567502
    5. nickname7
      nickname7 25 October 2017 10: 52
      +6
      The thief was already caught by the director’s hand, so it’s not clear why, instead of the prison, the thief occupied the posts and disposed of material, technical and financial values. This means that it’s beneficial for someone.
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 25 October 2017 10: 58
        +8
        Quote: nickname7
        The thief was already caught by the director’s hand, so it’s not clear why, instead of prison, the thief held positions and disposed of material, technical and financial values.So this is beneficial to someone.[i] [/ i]


        Huh ... But Taburetkin also now manages financial and material and technical means ... And even did not sit in prison ...
        And this is not the only example ...
    6. weksha50
      weksha50 25 October 2017 10: 54
      +7
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Yes, as much as you can ..This is already a systemic disease ...


      Yeah ... But try to draw concrete conclusions loudly - you will fall under the article ...

      PS And this "Spetsstroy" ... No matter how you re-name it, or reform it, its essence - the multi-billion-dollar theft of budget money - remains ... Just like Koschey the Immortal ... Chakhlik the Undying ...
    7. nickname7
      nickname7 25 October 2017 10: 55
      +3
      Is the contractor to blame again?
      So the contractor is a one-day firm for withdrawing dough. All embezzlement schemes are used by intermediaries, while money moves back and forth through intermediaries, it sticks fairly to the hands.
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    9. Sergey53
      Sergey53 26 October 2017 16: 27
      0
      Usually in such cases, she participates in them indirectly. In the form of a roof, with subsequent rollbacks.
    10. Prisoner
      Prisoner 28 October 2017 10: 36
      0
      Well, it couldn’t. It does not seem to want.
    11. Normal ok
      Normal ok 28 October 2017 22: 26
      0
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      The situation was repeated like a carbon copy with the Vostochny spaceport.

      Once, - an accident. 2 times - a coincidence. If more, then the pattern.
  2. 210ox
    210ox 25 October 2017 06: 04
    15
    How zadolbali these "worms" .. Stalin is not on them.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 25 October 2017 06: 21
      11
      In the body, worms not only eat at the expense of it, but also poison it with their own waste poisons. Russia is a large organism where worms made their way to all organs. That's what!!!
    2. Dead duck
      25 October 2017 09: 56
      +7
      Hello to you hi
      Acromia of worms in the body also contains other arganisms ... more or less harmful, but contributing to universal coexistence ... sometimes even useful.
      But ... during the persecution of worms, other animals often die, including useful ones .... unfortunately.
      A striking example is the struggle against them under Stalin. request sad
      In 37-39 even overdone. But, that the most disgusting thing (cleaning) does not always help to the fullest.
      More often, the infection multiplies faster. Although a certain balance is certainly possible and necessary. yes
      1. 34 region
        34 region 25 October 2017 10: 46
        +6
        09.56. Granddad! In the 37th, it was rather the worms trying to defeat the body. But the body survived and removed some of the worms. Part crawled out in the Second World War on the side of the Nazis, and part crawled into the brain and gnawed the body in the 90s. hi
        1. Dead duck
          25 October 2017 11: 09
          +6
          Quote: Region 34
          In 37, it was rather worms trying to defeat the body.

          worms always try to win ... although they have slightly different principles laughing
          37-39 many innocents fell under the purge.
          1. 34 region
            34 region 25 October 2017 18: 02
            0
            11.09/XNUMX. Granddad! Here the worms just voted for the purge and started it. We must also use the opportunities to advance to the most delicious. As the hero of the Soviet film said: I agree to any leadership position! The first to tasty climbed Khrushchev. But other worms then overthrew him. As a result, worms such as Yakovlev and Gorbachev crawled through. Of course, they accused others of exceeding power. They themselves were leading their * honest * undercover game! Khrushchev did not conduct an investigation into his activities. He has everything * honestly *. Gorbachev does not condemn his management and its results at all. These worms are all right! And for others, in their opinion, this is not so. And they do not consider their destruction of the body wrong. Schematically so.
      2. nickname7
        nickname7 25 October 2017 11: 25
        +4
        Interestingly, the liberals of the 1900s made a significant contribution to the rebirth of the law enforcement system. The power of the Bolsheviks began with the solution of routine problems, the delivery of bread to Petrograd, which the liberals did not like and they said - "if the power is not ours, then it is not yours" and they began sabotage, part of the bureaucratic apparatus remaining from the tsar sabotaged the decisions of the Bolsheviks, exacerbating the chaos. The Soviets had to fight chaos after the civil war, with revolutionaries, with banditry, with interventionists, etc. and besides this, sabotage of officials. State security was growing, agents were expanding, and more and more resources were pumped into state security, which led to its degeneration. You see, if the then liberals would help the councils in putting things in order, then there would be no gulags.
      3. Dedall
        Dedall 25 October 2017 20: 08
        +1
        If they already switched to diseases, then Moscow is a cancerous tumor. Now they are surgically excised in the early stages. This was done by Stalin. Did not help! Then go to the next stage - chemotherapy and radiation. That is, you need to gasp the neutron bomb there, and then pour sarin on it.
  3. tasha
    tasha 25 October 2017 06: 15
    +3
    It's time, it's time to introduce the institute of commissioners.
    Select people, conduct testing, give extraordinary powers. Yes, they can break firewood. Yes, some decisions may be contrary to existing laws. So what to do?
    And Mauser, Mauser ...
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 25 October 2017 06: 24
      +3
      And Mauser, Mauser ...

      There will be enough cartridges ... there, after all, more than one cartridge will have to be spent on worms ... they multiply nemer by hitting a head of green.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 25 October 2017 08: 00
        +4
        Quote: The same Lech
        ..there, after all, not one clip will have to be spent on worms ... they multiply nemerno hitting a head of green.

        Greens --- this is $$$$. If you quickly destroy, then, expiring, worms poison the body in which they live, very much. So that this organism can be very sick. They must be constantly baited. !!!!!!. To reduce their ability to move and reproduce.
      2. FID
        FID 25 October 2017 08: 22
        22
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        There will be enough cartridges ... there, after all, more than one cartridge will have to be spent on worms ... they multiply nemer by hitting a head of green.

        And the president has nothing to do with it? Who grows worms and cherishes? The most "worms" under the presidential administration and are living ...
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 25 October 2017 08: 30
          0
          At the time of the President’s arrival, fattened parasites were already strong fattened pests, wished for themselves another host, a foreign one.
          1. FID
            FID 25 October 2017 08: 48
            13
            So what? Have you waited? Have you got it?
      3. Dead duck
        25 October 2017 09: 58
        +9
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        That’s enough ammo ... there, after all, not one cartridge will have to be spent on worms

        If they multiply, then there are prerequisites ...
        "Worms" are a consequence, the reason is usually different.
      4. 97110
        97110 25 October 2017 13: 49
        +1
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Enough of cartridges ...

        And there are enough Mausers reincarnated by 7,62. Not enough - use a kampuchean chopper. All sadists have choppers, and not one at a time ...
    2. nickname7
      nickname7 25 October 2017 12: 18
      +1
      The executions are not democratic, but the electric chair, that’s it.
    3. Alikos
      Alikos 25 October 2017 16: 07
      +2
      Quote: tasha
      It's time, it's time to introduce the institute of commissioners.
      Select people, conduct testing, give extraordinary powers. Yes, they can break firewood. Yes, some decisions may be contrary to existing laws. So what to do?
      And Mauser, Mauser ...

      Yeah, Maratov, Robespierre, Cromwell ...
      Trotsky, Tukhochevsky, Zalkindov?
      They will be happy to take power into their own hands and fill the country with the blood of Russians!
      In Ukraine, for example, look at Kalomoysky ...
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 26 October 2017 06: 38
        +4
        Well, why such extremes? Were, for example, “untouchables” in the USA, have you heard? There was no bloodshed in the country, but the bootleggers were pretty hard pressed!
  4. fa2998
    fa2998 25 October 2017 06: 29
    14
    Quote: 210ox
    How zadolbali these "worms" .. Stalin is not on them.

    Well, we have Putin, but he is good! lol negative hi
  5. Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack 25 October 2017 06: 29
    12
    The documents even include an advance paid for construction and installation work in a military warehouse in the amount of 1,23 billion rubles

    Then someone complained that now they don’t give advance payments under state defense orders.
    That’s why they don’t give it to them not to look for this advance with dogs.
    And if the management of the contractor cannot find the funds to carry out the work in a contract - such a management is in the hole.
    Somehow request
    1. groks
      groks 25 October 2017 09: 37
      +1
      Interesting - and where is our "management" to look for it? Take loans? Do you really have a headache?
      And for some reason, crooks always give advances. How is that?
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 25 October 2017 09: 59
        11
        Quote: groks
        Interesting - and where is our "management" to look for it?

        And why do you have a headache for management?
        I give a beacon:
        Working capital of the enterprise Working capital is a combination of working capital assets and circulation funds in monetary terms. These components of working capital serve the reproduction process differently: the first in the production sphere, and the second in the circulation sphere

        Does management find money for a salary? Or the last ... obsovch without salt eats up? I suspect the first is still ...
        And to start the project, there is no money ... about how request
        The question is not for the President and not even for the government - for your native director ... only asking such questions is a little riskier than cracking on the Internet wink
        Quote: groks
        And for some reason, crooks always give advances. How is that?

        The word "always" I would remove. According to the state defense order now - they definitely don’t give ...
        In secret, in a whisper: give other crooks ... they share belay
        1. groks
          groks 25 October 2017 12: 41
          +3
          My head hurts for my salary. Which will not happen if some conditional "management" does not find money. I agree that their salary will not go to zero, but it will become significantly lower.
          As for the "beacon" - I advise you to look at least a little into these very negotiable ones and the GOZ.
          We do not “start projects”, we produce products. And we can either buy materials, or we can’t. Now it turns out that if we buy materials, then there will be no money left for wages. Or vice versa.
          For those who do not imagine the production enterprise now - the "management" and the director proper cannot arbitrarily overthrow the money in tudes. Neither GOZ will give, nor the owner will understand.
          That rogue is 100%. Based on even this publication.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 25 October 2017 16: 38
            +7
            Quote: groks
            For those who do not imagine the production enterprise now - the "management" and the director proper cannot arbitrarily overthrow the money in tudy-syudy

            It contradicts yours:
            Quote: groks
            Now it turns out that if we buy materials, then there will be no money left for wages. Or vice versa


            Quote: groks
            I advise at least a little insight into these very negotiable and GOZ

            Yes, I, as it were, a little in the subject ... what is it proposed to delve into?

            Working capital (including salvage, and this is the salvage from your esteemed enterprise does not) are intended including and for the purchase of materials, components, consumables and other shnyaga, providing the production process.

            Your management is going to transfer salary money for the purchase of these same materials. I wonder how they will do this in accounting belay
            1. groks
              groks 25 October 2017 20: 24
              0
              I advise you to look at least the textbook Petrova Yu.A.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 25 October 2017 21: 24
                +7
                Quote: groks
                I advise you to look at least the textbook Petrova Yu.A.

                With a view, excuse me?
                1. groks
                  groks 26 October 2017 07: 36
                  0
                  So that I don’t rewrite it here.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 26 October 2017 07: 41
                    +7
                    Quote: groks
                    So that I don’t rewrite it here

                    But do not "rewrite here."
                    There is a very specific question: how do you spend your salary for the purchase of materials on accounting?
                    I won’t take it. Although the ABC is trained, sometimes it comes in handy at work, you know wink
                    1. groks
                      groks 26 October 2017 07: 43
                      0
                      No way. Read the tutorial so as not to ask stupid questions. From what what is formed and at what stage.
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 26 October 2017 10: 41
                        +7
                        Quote: groks
                        so as not to ask stupid questions

                        Hamim? And to answer, just draw a posting?
                        Materials - 10th bill, salary - 70, I suggest.
                        Posting to the studio, please .. You are oo-oo-smart, I really can’t laughing
  6. Yuri Guliy
    Yuri Guliy 25 October 2017 06: 39
    +3
    “Assigned capitals ... withdrawn abroad and legalized ... this money cannot be seen in the budget” - the standard situation in the Russian Federation.
    Enough terrible faces to make faces and a playful finger to threaten, all the owners of foreign dollar deposits, palaces and vineyards from among the "patriotic" leadership have long gone to bunks with confiscation. Insanity is overripe.
  7. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 25 October 2017 07: 04
    +8
    "That's what the subcontracting life-giving does!" I can’t stop repeating: “subcontracting” and “actressing” are two terrible evils in modern Russia that corrode it from the inside, allowing corruption to flourish, millions of embezzlements and destroy the institution of social justice in the country. However, the Russian leadership not only does not fight this evil, but even considers it to be “necessary mechanisms” in a market economy ..
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 25 October 2017 07: 20
      11
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      I can’t stop repeating: “subcontracting” and “actressing” are two terrible evils in modern Russia that corrode it from within

      Stop repeating, better suggest a coherent alternative.
      Subcontracting with proper control of the contractor by the customer’s representative is quite a working mechanism. I know what I'm saying, at times we ourselves also work (as a customer, that is).
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 25 October 2017 07: 48
        16
        Oh, I see. If you are doing this yourself, then of course you will protect this system. The contract should be carried out only by a specialized organization that has all the resources for its implementation and is responsible for the final result — there aren’t these resources - "go walk in the forest." As in the United States, I signed up to build a house, so I myself must build it (lay the foundation, erect walls, finish, install plumbing, electrical wiring, etc.), and do not transfer the construction to a subcontractor and I am responsible for everything. If the contract involves multidisciplinary activities, then the company implementing the contract itself must have multidisciplinary structures and companies without such structures do not even bother with such contracts. If the contract is very complicated, then either the contract is broken down into the necessary “steps” with its contractors or the rightful relations between the executors of different parts of the contract on a “counterparty” basis are fed (each is legally assigned to its task).
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 25 October 2017 09: 37
          10
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          If you are doing this yourself, then of course you will protect this system

          Learning to read ... accusative:
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          at times we also work (by customer, i.e)

          Quote: Monster_Fat
          The contract should be carried out only by a specialized organization with all the resources for its implementation.

          Not for every order there are such in nature.
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          and responsible for the final result

          But this is right yes
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          If the contract is very complex, then either the contract is broken down into the necessary “steps” with its contractors or the rightful relations between the executors of different parts of the contract are taken over on a “counterparty” basis (each is legally assigned to its task)

          Do you understand what you wrote? I ... not really.
          What is this "relationship between the performers"? If the general contractor I (conditionally), then the performers deal only with me. They are ... parallel to each other, as if request
          1. Monster_Fat
            Monster_Fat 25 October 2017 17: 36
            0
            Subcontracting on a counterparty basis is when someone agrees to do work that you cannot do, but for the duration of his part of the work he becomes the main contractor and you help him in everything, but he also bears full responsibility for the deadlines, failure of the contract, quality within the warranty period in FULL and FOR THE WHOLE CONTRACT, even after performing part of the work all the time until the contract is closed and after the warranty period. What is not clear? Or so not used to working? Is it easier to hire on a temporary basis and without registering a contract a horn and a hoof company?
            1. sunzhenets
              sunzhenets 25 October 2017 18: 01
              0
              This is all provided by law.
              Civil Code of the Russian Federation Article 706. General contractor and subcontractor

              1. If the contractor’s obligation to perform the work specified in the contract in person does not follow from the law or the contract, the contractor is entitled to involve other persons (subcontractors) in the performance of its obligations. In this case, the contractor acts as the general contractor.
              2. The contractor who engaged the subcontractor in the execution of the contract in violation of the provisions of paragraph 1 of this article or the contract shall be liable to the customer for losses caused by the participation of the subcontractor in the execution of the contract.
              3. The general contractor shall be liable to the customer for the consequences of non-performance or improper performance of obligations by the subcontractor in accordance with the rules of paragraph 1 of Article 313 and Article 403 of this Code, and the subcontractor shall be liable for non-performance or improper performance of customer obligations under the contract.
              Unless otherwise provided by law or contract, the customer and subcontractor shall not have the right to present to each other claims related to the violation of contracts concluded by each of them with the general contractor.
              4. With the consent of the general contractor, the customer has the right to conclude contracts for the performance of certain works with other persons. In this case, these persons are responsible for non-performance or improper performance of work directly to the customer.
        2. nickname7
          nickname7 25 October 2017 12: 32
          +5
          That's right, otherwise the company, with the staff of one secretary and manager, wins the billionth tender and takes 60% for itself, and for the rest, it hires a subcontractor who hires Tajik sub-contractors, and there is no money left for cement. Therefore, they are without cement.
    2. Dead duck
      25 October 2017 10: 01
      +6
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      That's what a "subcontracting" life-giving does

      Oh, but in the USA there are no kickbacks and the “bribe” is not specified and is not prescribed by law?! ...
      By the possibilities of kickbacks, cuts, etc. USA ahead of the rest ....
      marching proudly, and in the hands of a large striped flag.
  8. VadimSt
    VadimSt 25 October 2017 08: 03
    +8
    Until the hologram “For embezzlement and fraud, execution” appears on the orders of the Moscow Region and the defense industry accounts, while the thefts will be considered in civil courts, and not military courts, they will steal and steal! VV, make a political decision, otherwise, soon there will be nothing to steal!
    1. Astoria
      Astoria 25 October 2017 09: 26
      +2
      The execution of one thief is not enough, it is necessary together with the whole family, this will be effective.
      1. creak
        creak 25 October 2017 11: 26
        +5
        Quote: Astoria
        The execution of one thief is not enough, it is necessary together with the whole family, this will be effective.

        Together with the kids? In the current state of our “incorruptible” system of investigation and legal proceedings, instead of a corrupt official, they will come to you - and be kind to the wall with your household - will demonstrate the effectiveness of the fight against corruption ....
        Why such confidence that this will not affect you - at one time many particularly ruthless “whistleblowers” ​​were put nose to wall with “exposed” enemies. Families, however, were not shot - they didn’t even think of it then ....
        1. Astoria
          Astoria 25 October 2017 12: 45
          +4
          Why so sure that it won’t affect you
          - But this is not necessary, if the law enforcement and judicial systems were working as they should now, then the death penalty would not be needed, there is no need to build either a moralist or a preacher tongue It is a matter of drastic measures; everyone should bear responsibility.

          And if we talk about the numbers: one operation of a seriously ill child costs on average + - USD 100, 000 million rubles - this is more than 650 children. Morality does not channel. Crush with a bulldozer.

          I did not hold 650 million state money in my hands, but you are so excited or your conscience is not clear either. laughing
          1. insular
            insular 26 October 2017 07: 58
            +1
            Quote: Astoria
            I did not hold 650 million state money in my hands

            And what did you take to justify and deny? Looks like it's time for you and the whole family to be shot. An honest person, so, would not behave.
            From prison ... as they say ...
            Quote: Astoria
            But this is not necessary if the law enforcement and judicial systems would work as they should now
            It is logical ... judicial and investigative - worthless and plant switchmen - it means not to plant, but to shoot, and even with families ... fool wassat
            1. Astoria
              Astoria 26 October 2017 09: 34
              0
              Uti ways
              And what did you take to justify and deny? Looks like it's time for you and the whole family to be shot. An honest person, so, would not behave.
              - You are another moralist laughing This is a cardinal and non-legal measure that is not related to ordinary citizens. Do not cast a shadow over the wattle fence. hi
              1. insular
                insular 26 October 2017 09: 44
                +2
                Quote: Astoria
                - You are another moralist

                It is not a matter of morality, but of sanity, if you introduce the highest with the current justice system - shooting, then of course there will be many, but not at all those who steal, but just such naive people as you (and other switchmen)
                Quote: Astoria
                not related to ordinary citizens

                You will tell the firing squad if you have time
                Quote: Astoria
                not legal measure
                Are you calling for an armed revolution to mass lynching? wassat laughing Please note that there is an article for this ...

                It is not necessary to introduce executions, but confiscation, including among family members (we like to copy stolen things from everyone around us)
                1. Astoria
                  Astoria 26 October 2017 10: 13
                  +1
                  Are you calling for an armed revolution to mass lynching? wassat laughing Please note that there is an article for this ...
                  Do not verbally or translate arrows. As an interlocutor you are not interesting to me from the word at all tongue
        2. Alikos
          Alikos 26 October 2017 11: 03
          +1
          Quote: ranger
          Families, however, were not shot - they didn’t even think of it then ....
          Other

          How did you think of it?
          By order of the executioner of the Russian people Sverdlov in the basement of the Ipatiev House, commissars Yankel Yurovsky, Shaya Goloshekin, Beloborodov (Weinbard) were shot without trial four children of Nikolai the 2nd (Romanov)
    2. Dead duck
      25 October 2017 10: 04
      +7
      Quote: VadimSt
      make a political decision, otherwise, soon there will be nothing to steal!

      Does it help China?
      They are more like controlled breeding.
      They shoot like predators, so that the balance is. winked
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 25 October 2017 11: 05
        +2
        Quote: Deadush
        Does it help China?
        They are more like controlled breeding.
        They shoot like predators, so that the balance is.


        Mdaaaaa .... Over the past 5 years, about a million corrupt bribe-takers have been shot ... It's a pity there are no links at hand right now ...
        This seed (corruption) is probably - indestructible ... request
    3. MoJloT
      MoJloT 25 October 2017 10: 24
      0
      Mandatory with confiscation
    4. Sergey53
      Sergey53 26 October 2017 16: 38
      0
      There would be a debt prison. You sit in it until everything stolen is returned to the treasury. He returned with a clear conscience to freedom. But without the right to hold life-long positions in government. He didn’t return, he died in prison. The family will pay for the maintenance in prison. And no one needs to be executed. And the meaning of stealing by itself will disappear. You can’t use it honestly stolen.
  9. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 25 October 2017 08: 40
    +3
    Quote: VadimSt
    Until the hologram “For embezzlement and fraud, execution” appears on the orders of the Moscow Region and the defense industry accounts,

    I have no doubt that in this case some poor people without lawyers will be guilty, which will be 100 %% proven, and anyone who can hire an expensive lawyer will not be guilty of anything ..
    1. VadimSt
      VadimSt 25 October 2017 09: 01
      +3
      Ordinary citizens, they steal only with two hands, and these people have a different arithmetic - the T-90 tank costs about 170 million rubles. 650: 170 = 3,82
      Almost four modern tanks were stolen! And what, as always - to "understand and forgive"?

      And if you recall other cases? Tank Division and Fighter Regiment?
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 25 October 2017 09: 33
        +8
        But for the theft of a couple of bottles of whiskey from the store (more than 2500 rubles) by a simple hard worker-term. sad
        1. Dead duck
          25 October 2017 10: 06
          +7
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          But for the theft of a couple of bottles of whiskey from the store (more than 2500 rubles) by a simple hard worker-term.

          Is it not so in the USA and other countries?! ...
          Wagons need to be stolen, not bottles.
          Are you on a "Hyper Loop" Mask moving around the planet? laughing
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 25 October 2017 11: 47
            +2
            Quote: Deadush

            Wagons need to be stolen, not bottles.
            laughing

            So the guard will be to blame for everything that he didn’t close the gate, or the railway man who drove these cars! That's what!!
  10. Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 25 October 2017 08: 46
    +4
    He has said so many times: impunity gives rise to new crimes, even more arrogant and cynical, why can Serdyukov, Vasilyeva, Skrynnik ... Where there are landings for the maximum term, confiscation of property, this is not all, therefore this open robbery of the country will continue - the system will I can notice that we learn only about the tips that hit the press, and how many unknown roots that are silent about are ours, and "I don’t let my own ..."
  11. captain
    captain 25 October 2017 09: 54
    10
    M ... yes, the ministers are changing, the squeals of patriots about the legendary Kozhugedach are heard, and theft as it was, it is.
  12. btshnik
    btshnik 25 October 2017 10: 25
    +1
    all this is certainly difficult, but theft in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is not the only one in our country, and this is not the only ministry where such impunity crimes are committed, enterprising people understood where they steal money, where there will be a lot of them, everyone in the country knows that in the Ministry of Defense A huge amount of money has been allocated to the Russian Federation, respectively, it’s necessary to steal there, but smart representatives from the people in the State Duma and ministries sit on it and we don’t laugh :), we need to be safe, we need to protect ourselves from this kind of self-harm, and think over such a mechanism that just does not allow to plunder state funds. The result of everything will now be the arrest of this entire arsenal, where everything will be dead weight for at least 5-7 years, at best, and these are jobs for the civilian population, although not many, but they would have been, the state most of course suffered from all this chaos, we need a protection mechanism and this mechanism should apply to all state facilities, they are not protected.
  13. weksha50
    weksha50 25 October 2017 11: 12
    +1
    Here ... I already wrote about the state budget, more precisely - about the failure of the DAM government to find money for the most urgent needs of the country-society ...
    The same thing can be said about the Ministry of Defense, about the Armed Forces ... There is money, and it flows in a rather wide and powerful stream ... But this stream is divided into many flows by “skillful” hands, the channels of which are also “skillfully” redirected ...
    If there hadn’t been such a massive theft, then there would have been enough money for rearmament, for money allowance and pensions, and for social services for military personnel ...
    There is only one stumbling block: theft, corruption, embezzlement - whatever you want, call it ...
    And this happens because of one stumbling block: mutations of consciousness, the elimination of all the holy commandments of the mutual coexistence of human individuals from the head, from the brain, from the soul ...
    That the biblical commandments, the moral code of the builder of communism, did not teach a bad person ...
  14. iouris
    iouris 25 October 2017 11: 46
    +1
    Quote: “It will not be easy to put an end to this complicated matter.” End of quote. The essence of the existing system is that the point spreads into ellipsis.
  15. nickname7
    nickname7 25 October 2017 12: 14
    0
    Yes, managers on our heads, at the same Vostochny cosmodrome, if effective managers had not been arrested, they would have disclosed everything, to the last penny, that’s greed. In general, under capitalism, corruption is an inevitable evil, it cannot be eliminated in principle, but it can be minimized, steal 10%, but build. To steal everything is already too much.
    One of the methods of combating this evil, in the cap of countries, is squealing.
    The system works in the states - hand over your boss, they have an employee who has recognized the scheme of theft of his superiors, reports via a hotline to special authorities. An employee is given 30% of the stolen amount. This is what needs to be introduced in the Russian Federation.
  16. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 25 October 2017 12: 28
    +3
    How much abomination in our country! Is she ours? The ruling class (bureaucratic-oligarchic) ​​is sure that the country of Rasea is his, and the so-called people are on the service staff! Alas, the numerous facts that have become known confirm this ... It was rightly said here about a system flaw in software called state power, state structures! And this abomination exists under Putin, under his many years of rule (!). That's why I am not a fan of Putin, that's why I never voted for him! In fairness, I must say that I did not vote for any president in modern Russian history; because I consider the current post-Soviet regime of power to be a systemic error in the history of Russia. If anyone who thinks that Bolshevism, the Bolsheviks are closely connected with the era of Lenin, Stalin is deeply mistaken! For now the power in the country belongs to the Bolshevik party "United Russia". Recently, this government drew attention to Sakhalin ... or rather, the income of Sakhalin. Now Sakhalin is developing rapidly: the economy, the social sphere: medicine, sports, subsidies to non-profit structures, assistance to pensioners, the poor, large families ... Already, my Mr. Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk in a civilizational aspect is more developed than many cities on the "mainland", often larger ... And there are so many plans for further development! But these plans are now threatened by the "pretender"! The authorities decided that Sakhalin was living "too" well and that the "surplus" should be taken away! Why not Bolshevism? Take everything and take away! Truly Bolshevik! Why not try to stop the embezzlement? It is stolen much more than Sakhalin earns! And I perfectly understand Catalonia, Lombardy, Venet and others — they don’t want the “center” to rob them further! And the “answers” ​​of the Russian government, the State Duma to sanctions often resemble an episode of the book “Peter I” by A. Tolstoy, a meeting of the Boyar Duma with the “popular agenda”: ​​where to get the money? "Read! Pay attention, as the government more and more often, everything on a larger scale shifts the costs of the people! And the judicial system?! I stole the billions-milliards- do you deign to sit under house arrest for a week or two? The peasant stole a bag of feed from the farmer, to his prison for 3 of the year! Do we need such power?
  17. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 25 October 2017 12: 50
    +3
    Under the USSR, a large number of both contractors and subcontractors would have been put to the wall long ago.
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 25 October 2017 14: 03
      +1
      In China, too, not particularly paying attention to former merits and ranks. And we have our own people everywhere, you can’t touch them, but if you touch everyone, you have to immediately, and this is fraught with a complete collapse of government in the country, honest people lol
    2. iouris
      iouris 25 October 2017 14: 57
      0
      ... and the first person who is personally responsible for the quality and timeliness of putting the property into operation. The system is built by a specific leader "for themselves."
  18. 97110
    97110 25 October 2017 13: 57
    0
    Quote: groks
    neither the owner will understand

    Naturally. His yacht in Cyprus is not paid. What does your salary have to do with it?
  19. Kent0001
    Kent0001 25 October 2017 14: 01
    0
    Everything is fine. As always, we will have no other way, unlike China. They steal everything and everywhere, because the authorities are not fighting this. By the way, where is the former Sakhalin governor now?
  20. Fedya2017
    Fedya2017 25 October 2017 14: 25
    +1
    Once there was a cashless payment ... It was impossible to cash and steal money. Can you somehow adapt this method now? After all, money is cashed and stolen even before the start of construction and in the process itself ... What if we deprive the customer and the contractor of this opportunity in this way? But to cash out and settle with real money after the commissioning of the object ... I am certainly an amateur in this area, but it would be interesting to know the opinion of people involved in production and construction ?!
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 25 October 2017 15: 45
      0
      Quote: Fedya2017
      Once there was a cashless payment ... It was impossible to cash and steal money. Can you somehow adapt this method now? After all, money is cashed and stolen even before the start of construction and in the process ...


      You at least read and look at the current legislation ... The modern national electronic payment system was practically developed back in the late 90s - early zero years ... Laws on the obligation of electronic payments were adopted ... However, as in shops they continue to pay in cash, and companies pay cash in cash through couriers to avoid taxes ...
      Absolute toothlessness of the existing system where necessary ...
      And the absolute toothiness where the people and society - is NOT necessary, but necessary, to persons close to the body ...
      And in the Duma, they either slow down the sensible law, or do not control its implementation after adoption ...
      And about the importance of control over execution under socialism, all the skulls have been eaten away ... What's the point that YOU gave the order, but they don’t execute it ???
      1. Fedya2017
        Fedya2017 25 October 2017 16: 00
        +1
        Quote: weksha50
        And the absolute toothiness where the people and society - is NOT necessary, but necessary, to persons close to the body ...

        It turns out that the body itself (s) is interested in this order? But then this body is the leader of the organized crime group ... and the population believes in a fairy tale about the good king (body) and bad boyars (persons close to the body).
  21. Radikal
    Radikal 25 October 2017 19: 20
    0
    Quote: The same Lech
    Is the contractor to blame again?


    And who chose him and who controlled his work?
    The situation was repeated like a carbon copy with the Vostochny spaceport.
    Yes, as much as possible ... this is a systemic disease ... something is wrong with our state if the authorities cannot eliminate this disease. am

    Did you just get it now? smile
  22. George Davydov
    George Davydov 26 October 2017 06: 51
    0
    Any business can be interpreted differently if viewed from the perspective of each of the parties to the transactions, from the authorities and from the people. And if a social inequality regime is established, where I am fattening alone at the expense of the people, then it’s clear that there is a lot of crap that will try to get into the category of successful ones using criminal means and methods. Therefore, there is nothing to be surprised at. But if we consider the problem from the side of the people and the authorities, then the question is on a different plane: is the people ready to be a victim of parasites or, finally, will begin the struggle for liberation from them and increase their well-being, using all means and methods, including those abducted? On the other hand, numerous criminal stories, in which officials become involved, show, on the one hand, that power is by no means in the hands of the people, although it is positioned as democracy, on the other hand, that if people want to live freely, happily and safely, they must become a subject of power, putting forward the most authoritative and highly moral. And this suggests that democracy, as the power of the people and for the people, should not only be elected by the people, but also be under its vigilant control, which makes it possible to identify and expel unscrupulous people, bringing it closer to truly popular and in the interests of the people of democracy. And if we have democracy, and crime in power shows its parasitism at the expense of the people, then this suggests that with this form of democracy, power is in the hands of crime, which considers itself to be a people, and workers - a means for their comfortable existence. It’s time for us to understand: who are we — the people — the laboring and intelligent people or the victims of parasites who see us as just a means of subsistence? Let's answer !!!
  23. Lexxtech
    Lexxtech 26 October 2017 10: 07
    0
    I wonder how Israel would do with “foreign” beneficiaries? I think so that the other defendants would “voluntarily” return the money back. Bronstein's recipe is called.
  24. groks
    groks 26 October 2017 13: 21
    0
    Golovan Jack,
    The textbook is not accounting. Therefore, all the same, it is worth a look.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 26 October 2017 22: 22
      +7
      Quote: groks
      The textbook is not accounting. Therefore, it’s worth a look

      What are you doing, like ... a yule? The question was originally
      Quote: Golovan Jack
      Your management is going to transfer salary money for the purchase of these same materials. I wonder how they will do this in accounting

      What vegetable is your textbook for me? I have something to read, believe me. On a subject that is closer to me, the economy of the enterprise does not interest me in the slightest ...
      You can answer - answer, you can not - do not bother ...
      Transfer funds from the salary for the purchase of materials legally, no-z-zzy ... That is why your
      Quote: groks
      ... we can either buy materials or we cannot. Now it turns out that if we buy materials, then there will be no money left for wages. Or vice versa

      I was interested in - well, what kind of enterprise is this for you ... at the GOZ recourse
      1. groks
        groks 27 October 2017 07: 56
        0
        What vegetable is your textbook for me?
        To find out that non-bookkeeping is the center of the universe. First, the money should appear from somewhere, then it will already be scattered in your accounts. Fershteen?
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 28 October 2017 09: 29
          +7
          Quote: groks
          ... not accounting is the center of the universe ...

          For the fifth point, your, ahem ... management (for similar manipulations with money) will take it ... yes a tax audit, for example. Which operates with data on keeping records at your marvelous enterprise.
          And so - yes, naturally - not the center.
          Quote: groks
          Money must come from somewhere first

          Stop stop
          Is this - did you write?
          Quote: groks
          Now it turns out that if we buy materials, then there will be no money left for wages. Or vice versa.

          That is money is already there. Here and now. Where they came from is irrelevant.
          Do not bother, I repeat.
          Quote: groks
          Fershteen?

          Knock yourself on the head, maybe a thought wakes up some thread sensible yes
          1. groks
            groks 28 October 2017 10: 14
            0
            Once again - to read a book, bookkeeping is not considered the center of the world.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 28 October 2017 11: 02
              +8
              Quote: groks
              Once again - to read a book; accounting should not be considered the center of the world

              Broke, break the bucket (s) laughing
              Nonsense do not say more, good advice to you for the future hi
              1. groks
                groks 28 October 2017 13: 35
                +1
                Is money formed immediately from the air in accounts? We got moronic accountants.
                to read a book; accounting should not be considered the center of the world.
  25. Damask
    Damask 26 October 2017 15: 09
    0
    Damn one thing puzzling, the transfer of such an advance, it should immediately cause suspicion, one crook
  26. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 27 October 2017 16: 31
    0
    Serdyukov did his “business” - flowers are just starting to blossom, and the berries will be in all their corrupt beauty!
  27. APASUS
    APASUS 27 October 2017 22: 56
    0
    Vasilyeva and Serdyukov came out dry and this will come out, it’s painfully large sums. For a bottle of vodka stolen from a city market to sit at three quietly, but for a billion no one has yet sat down.
  28. myobius59
    myobius59 27 October 2017 22: 58
    0
    In 90%, all these thefts and thefts are revealed after the crooks cashed or transferred the money to somewhere else where you return their figurines, while the “experts” and “effective managers” themselves are also outside the jurisdiction of the Russian “justice”. It’s not for you to steal a couple of bags of potato when the “criminal” is immediately taken firmly by some riot police or SOBR, while the prosecutor and the judge joyfully rubbing their hands send the sick man for five years, according to the stage.
    Everything is captured from the same guys, and they safely live acquired by overwork, somewhere beyond the hill.
    It is not for nothing that our Durduma has not been able to adopt a law on corruption for so long. After all, they take care of themselves. Well, now the Americans may be pinching them at least a little in connection with the new sanctions. Although they are stupid, as one famous satirist claimed, they do not like crooks, especially Russians. And there is nothing to rely on our "justice" in relation to such "friends".
  29. myobius59
    myobius59 27 October 2017 23: 08
    0
    Quote: btshnik
    all this is certainly difficult, but theft in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is not the only one in our country, and this is not the only ministry where such impunity crimes are committed, enterprising people understood where they steal money, where there will be a lot of them, everyone in the country knows that in the Ministry of Defense A huge amount of money has been allocated to the Russian Federation, respectively, it’s necessary to steal there, but smart representatives from the people in the State Duma and ministries sit on it and we don’t laugh :), we need to be safe, we need to protect ourselves from this kind of self-harm, and think over such a mechanism that just does not allow to plunder state funds. The result of everything will now be the arrest of this entire arsenal, where everything will be dead weight for at least 5-7 years, at best, and these are jobs for the civilian population, although not many, but they would have been, the state most of course suffered from all this chaos, we need a protection mechanism and this mechanism should apply to all state facilities, they are not protected.

    Yeah, you tell this to those who are sleeping in our Duma. They have not been able to accept this "mechanism" for about 20 years. Or they don’t want to. This is how you better think. You are our naive.
  30. tank64rus
    tank64rus 28 October 2017 10: 50
    0
    Here you can feel the paw of Koreiko (perdyukov), Ostap thought. They will also want to find abroad, but suddenly they will start talking. Nope.