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Why do Bulgarian pilots refuse to fly MiG-29?

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The Ministry of Defense of Bulgaria declares that the pilots from the personnel of Graf Ignatiev air force base of the country announced their refusal to perform training flights on MiG-29 airplanes. Information is confirmed by an information resource. "Russian Bulgaria".


The article says that all training flights, without exception, are “frozen”, since the flight personnel of the said airbase refuses to take control of the flight. The reason is quite banal. Pilots fear for their lives due to the fact that the fleet of "Bulgarian" MiG-29 fighter jets has not been properly serviced and modernized for a long time. In addition, the pilots actually lack the proper number of flying hours on these military aircraft.

Why do Bulgarian pilots refuse to fly MiG-29?


The deputy head of the Bulgarian military department Atanas Zapryanov is quoted. According to the general, the pilots are insecure due to insufficient flight hours.

Earlier, the commander of the Bulgarian Air Force Tsanko Stoykov accused representatives of the country's leadership that they are “trying to plant the Bulgarian Aviation to the ground".

General Stoykov on the BTV channel:
The scandal associated with the purchase of new fighters and the refusal to maintain existing ones has negative consequences for the motivation of our pilots.


Bulgarian media have noted that “the patrol of Bulgarian airspace continues.” It is not specified at the same time, by whom the patrol is currently carried out.
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  1. Puss in Boots
    Puss in Boots 24 October 2017 18: 29 New
    15
    somehow it wasn’t fun for the “little brothers”; you won’t get far without proper maintenance laughing
    1. Department-M
      Department-M 24 October 2017 18: 32 New
      42
      The "bros" have come ... And who is to blame?
      I hope the Serbs successfully master and soon aerobatics will be shown in the center of Europe ..!
      1. cniza
        cniza 24 October 2017 18: 47 New
        37
        These are their problems, they now have NATO, so let them fly on it.
        1. tol100v
          tol100v 24 October 2017 19: 16 New
          10
          Quote: cniza
          These are their problems, they now have NATO, so let them fly on it.

          NATO, or more precisely, the SGA, are doing everything possible to transfer their vassals to their used equipment, and this is far from free! NATO economic project for the effective marketing of junk in action!
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 24 October 2017 20: 05 New
            14
            Not everything is so simple, by and large, there’s nothing to spit on what and how "little brothers" will fly, there’s no air force in the Baltic states and nobody cares. Bulgarians, Balts, Romanians and others led to the modernization of airspace surveillance systems, like the RAI-Regional Airspace Initiative, and they were safely included in the air defense system of Western Europe. Amers / Westerners only need information from their radars, which you guess who is ready to sell - Lockheed Martin is correct, so everything is simple.
            The idea has already been voiced that the Americans will help the 404th modernize surveillance ...
          2. urman
            urman 24 October 2017 20: 18 New
            +3
            Quote: Tol100v
            they are doing everything possible to transplant their vassals to their used equipment, and this is far from free!

            Border guards have already been replaced!
            1. Maksim
              Maksim 24 October 2017 22: 24 New
              +2
              Oh, right, replaced? Ohhh !!!
              1. Gray brother
                Gray brother 24 October 2017 22: 54 New
                +6
                Quote: Mac Sim
                Oh, right, replaced? Ohhh !!!

                On the border with Turkey, the Poles were appointed for the elders. It's a shame.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 25 October 2017 00: 25 New
                  11
                  I recall that about 4 years ago, the Bulgarians unilaterally themselves refused a contract with the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation on preventive maintenance (repair) of Russian aircraft models from Russia - supposedly because of its "high cost" for Bulgaria (although the repair prices in Russia were already at the cost level and even lower) - and stated that military planes from Russia would be repaired by Poles in Poland. That Poland also supposedly "has" the appropriate specialists for their repair and repair of Russian aircraft models in Poland will cost the Bulgarians much cheaper than in Russia itself. But, apparently, this did not grow together with the Poles of the Bulgarians.
                  By the way, our then even objected to this and said that the Poles are unlikely to provide the proper quality of repair of our aircraft from Bulgaria.
                  It was then that military analysts and industrialists already said that the true background of the breakdown of this agreement between the Bulgarians and Russia is not in money, but much worse - the sabotage and political reorientation of the Bulgarian leadership towards NATO dependence with the loss of its national sovereignty from Western countries.
                  1. Aleks713
                    Aleks713 25 October 2017 03: 43 New
                    +4
                    It’s time for the Western media to start another tantrum: “Another tricky move by V. Putin - the air forces of one of the NATO countries have been taken out of the game” ..
                  2. pytar
                    pytar 25 October 2017 09: 22 New
                    +3
                    ... although repair prices in the Russian Federation were already at the cost level and even lower ...

                    Have you seen the offer of RSK MiG? wink Do you believe in seriosis that the monopolist does not take advantage of his privileged position? laughing
                    ... sabotage and political reorientation of the leadership of Bulgaria ...

                    An interesting proposition! Like refusing to sign an unprofitable contract with RSK MiG is sabotage? laughing Hindu saboteurs write down? wink
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 25 October 2017 15: 09 New
                      +1
                      pytar
                      Do you believe in seriosis that the monopolist does not take advantage of his privileged position?
                      Do you seriously believe that repairing American planes is cheaper ?! It can only be cheaper if the seller has included part of the repair of the aircraft in the cost of its sale or has received any political or economic preferences from the buyer country. For example, building a buyer’s own foreign military base, or shutting down any strategic domestic production sector in favor of the seller’s country, refusing to partner with other countries, leasing his national territory for 50 years, etc.
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 25 October 2017 15: 27 New
                        +2
                        I wrote about this in more detail to another place in the post. If interested, find and read. The Swedish offer from Gripennov contains all expenses for training, support, localization, etc., as well as 100% offset in the most important sectors of the Bulgarian economy. The leasing scheme with payment is also the best, as far as I can judge from publications in Bulgaria. Whenever there is competition, the buyer can obtain more favorable conditions for himself. In the case of MiGs, a monopoly is obtained and, accordingly, everything becomes more expensive.
                    2. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 25 October 2017 15: 50 New
                      +4
                      We are talking with you about different things, and not just about selling a product.
                      I am talking about preventive maintenance and aircraft modifications. This is usually the privilege of the manufacturer in order not to lower the prestige of the brand of the product and its manufacturer in the relevant global sales market. In addition, otherwise, it involves transferring to the buyer-user along with his purchase by the manufacturer at the same time the manufacturing technology of this product and other technological secrets in the form of know-how to it. Technology is also a product, and a product of strategic importance to the country of origin. And its cost is also high. Hence the leasing.
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 25 October 2017 17: 01 New
                        +2
                        You understand that professionals are involved in these issues. You and I can only judge by publications that are in the public domain. In them I read that all of the above is provided for you. I would take it and translate it in Russian / we often discuss this issue / but free time, unfortunately not enough. request
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                2. pytar
                  pytar 25 October 2017 13: 18 New
                  +2
                  Well, they directly forced the Poles to guard the Bulgarian grnice! Poor Poles! They will receive / and not only they / finally experience in guarding the real border! lol Shame on you not knowing anything about the essence of the situation, writing all sorts of nonsense. negative
                  1. Maksim
                    Maksim 26 October 2017 00: 21 New
                    0
                    Actually, the last Olyaks I saw were about 4-5 people in a terribly intoxicated state. It’s not the right border - even a street dog could not be trusted.
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 26 October 2017 11: 04 New
                      +3
                      And I often see while intoxicated, representatives of one other nation ... Guess which one? wink But we are talking about tourists, so they should relax! drinks
                      1. Cossack 471
                        Cossack 471 26 October 2017 19: 05 New
                        +1
                        Bulgarians. Romanians and Moldavians almost always "slightly under the hood" acquaintances from these nations always emphasized that they have been drinking wine since childhood and simply instead of water
          3. shahor
            shahor 24 October 2017 23: 40 New
            +1
            Did the Serbs receive new MIGs from Russia?
            1. kote119
              kote119 25 October 2017 00: 50 New
              0
              [media = Got% 20all% 20satisfied]
              1. Sharansky
                Sharansky 25 October 2017 13: 26 New
                +2
                Only Migi is not new, but the same bushy trash
                1. Chief Officer
                  Chief Officer 26 October 2017 19: 40 New
                  +3
                  Such "trash" - to others for happiness!
                  No need to envy.
            2. Hammerlock
              Hammerlock 25 October 2017 03: 34 New
              +1
              with the connection! You need to read more news, and drive in DotA
        2. x.andvlad
          x.andvlad 24 October 2017 21: 51 New
          +2
          Nata will protect, what ... What the Air Force is for?
          There are Baltic states. The wasps went hand in hand, and nothing, just trudge from the ground. wassat
          Recently, there were rumors that the Bulgarian soldiers in the exercises refused to shoot at targets in the form of "Russians." So, the Air Force does not rely on unreliable allies.
        3. Solomon Kane
          Solomon Kane 25 October 2017 01: 04 New
          +7
          let them fly on it.

          Vitya, Good evening!
          Bulgaria, which plane do not give, as a fool a glass member - either break or lose .....
          1. max45
            max45 25 October 2017 02: 32 New
            +3
            Do not forget that we carried out the first bombing in the world in 1912, and our army is the only one in the world, there is no one given to the enemy’s banner!
            1. Hammerlock
              Hammerlock 25 October 2017 03: 28 New
              +8
              and didn’t give anything to the Turks? Yah?
            2. igorka357
              igorka357 25 October 2017 04: 52 New
              +8
              Papua new guinea, also its banner to anyone and never ... laughing ! Do not disgrace! And the first time the Italians dropped bombs from the plane .. so don’t drive .. and "don’t forget it"
              1. sogdy
                sogdy 25 October 2017 06: 12 New
                +1
                Quote: igorka357
                And for the first time, the Italians dropped bombs from an airplane .. so don't drive.

                http://bse.sci-lib.com/article128759.html
                The first bombing was carried out in Russia in 1911 on the maneuvers of the St. Petersburg, Warsaw and Kiev military districts.
                But if you go further, the theory of targeted bombing was described in 1908-1910, in Bulgaria.
                Quote: igorka357
                "do not forget"
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            4. Grits
              Grits 25 October 2017 07: 45 New
              +7
              Do not forget that we carried out the first bombing in the world in 1912
              Please indicate the brand of the Bulgarian bomber. I will write myself for the story.
            5. Orionvit
              Orionvit 25 October 2017 09: 13 New
              +4
              Quote: max45
              Do not forget that we carried out the first bombing in the world in 1912

              And since then, have they become steep? You would also recall the war on the side of Hitler, and NATO.
              1. Maksim
                Maksim 26 October 2017 00: 23 New
                +1
                Go teach lessons, shkololo. Or indicate WHERE and WHEN fought on the side of Hitler.
                1. Orionvit
                  Orionvit 26 October 2017 08: 24 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Mac Sim
                  Go teach lessons, shkololo.

                  What were not an ally of Germany? If they did not openly declare war on the USSR, then this still does not mean anything.
                  1. Maksim
                    Maksim 26 October 2017 15: 59 New
                    +1
                    And what exactly does it mean, respected? Enlighten ПЖЛ.
                2. Tersky
                  Tersky 26 October 2017 20: 44 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Mac Sim
                  WHERE and WHEN fought on the side of Hitler.

                  1) Bulgarian aviation in World War II, which here. 2) Voluntary provision of its territory for the actions of the German army. This is already enough. During the invasion, the invaders themselves carry the functions of power in the occupied territory. This is the protection of facilities, and the supply of the population, and the formation of government, and much more. All this time and resources. In this case, the Bulgarians themselves protected, maintained and transported, which, of course, helped the Nazis. We’ll also include police functions in the Balkan territories occupied by the Reich. Bulgaria supplied the Reich with food and raw materials, participated in the transportation and protection of military goods in the Black Sea. 3) One fact is enough that the Bulgarian transport Varna with a load of ammunition was sunk on 20 on August 1943 in the immediate vicinity of Crimea. Do not tell me what he did in the territorial water of the USSR? And what is the result? Did Bulgaria fight or not fight against the USSR in World War II? The answer is closer to me - yes, along with the rest of the Reich, Bulgaria fought against the USSR. As in the First World War. Why do we need this for modern Russians? At least in order to understand the psychology of decision-making at a high level and to know that next time Bulgaria will do the same. PS I stand out the Bulgarian people and their attitude towards the Russians. People usually go in the wake of their government’s policies.
                  1. Maksim
                    Maksim 27 October 2017 20: 19 New
                    +1
                    As for the Bulgarian Air Force - they fought in their skies and defended their cities and villages. Not a single Bulgarian pilot fought over the territory of the USSR or somewhere else until September 1944.
                    As for the "voluntary provision of the territory" - Serbia and Greece provided them involuntarily with the same result. Bleeding after three wars, Bulgaria tried to avoid the Third National Catastrophe - did not have time. But she put all her efforts.
                    In your fact about the sinking of the transport ship Varna near the Crimea there is no more than a clarification that he was considered German, sailed under the flag of Kriegsmarine and was controlled by a German crew. Small things, and so - Bulgarian transport.
                    What exactly is closer to you as an answer has absolutely no significance. Bulgaria was included in the countries of WWII incendiaries due to the fact that it fought with the USA and Great Britain. And not for the fact that you are closer or not that she fought with the USSR.
                    Unfortunately, judging not only by your comments, but also by other “modern Russians”, you don’t understand / do not want to understand that RI / USSR as an adversary has never been considered. And participation in both wars was due to completely different reasons.
            6. Yuyuka
              Yuyuka 25 October 2017 10: 14 New
              0
              Quote: max45
              Do not forget that we carried out the first bombing in the world in 1912, and our army is the only one in the world, there is no one given to the enemy’s banner!


              remember also about how you were rescued from the Turks, otherwise it is somehow inconvenient to pull out certain facts ... any country has its own victories and defeats. By the way, my ancestors - the Bulgarians fled to Russia from the Turks. And what is happening with the memory of our common history completely does not paint Bulgaria ... hi
              1. pytar
                pytar 26 October 2017 12: 47 New
                +2
                And what is happening with the memory of our common history does not paint Bulgaria at all ...

                Paint! Especially against the background of what is happening with our common history in Russia! This is something beyond! belay
            7. dmitry.kashkaryow
              dmitry.kashkaryow 25 October 2017 11: 20 New
              +3
              Terrible warriors! You did not give the banner. You lay under the enemy with the banner!
              1. Maksim
                Maksim 26 October 2017 00: 25 New
                +2
                Judging by your flag, you have experience with where and under whom it falls an order of magnitude more.
            8. Chew yourself
              Chew yourself 27 October 2017 18: 41 New
              +2
              In a word, Shipka is calm. Short memory at "little brothers"
            9. CT-55_11-9009
              CT-55_11-9009 30 October 2017 16: 47 New
              0
              Quote: max45
              and our army is the only one in the world there is no banner given to the enemy!

              Come on! But what about the pills received in the Second Balkan War?
          2. alatanas
            alatanas 25 October 2017 13: 17 New
            +2
            When they were VD tailors, no one spoke about Bulgarian pilots like that!

            Airplane unit Bulgarian army 1912 g.
            1. pytar
              pytar 25 October 2017 13: 23 New
              +2
              Do you think that you will bring at least some kind of information to the "experts" on the VO? Yes, they "know everything" they "know everything." Read their comments and fall into laughter! laughing
              1. Maksim
                Maksim 26 October 2017 00: 26 New
                +1
                Their brains were rinsed to a sparkling whitish.
            2. sogdy
              sogdy 25 October 2017 14: 43 New
              0
              The first bombing in combat conditions was carried out in 1912 - the Italo-Turkish war. Which side was the Bulgarian army on?
              Do not forget that the demonstration bombing was carried out in 1911 by the Russians.
              And the developer is certainly a Bulgarian. In the Russian Academy of Sciences. Such a sign.
          3. Igorec
            Igorec 25 October 2017 13: 43 New
            0
            can also cut hands
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      2. 210ox
        210ox 24 October 2017 19: 15 New
        +4
        What can I advise? One thing remains ... Take off the last pants, stand in the Ku position in front of the defenders .. Maybe they can throw something out of their zashniks.
        Quote: Department-M
        The "bros" have come ... And who is to blame?
        I hope the Serbs successfully master and soon aerobatics will be shown in the center of Europe ..!
      3. pytar
        pytar 25 October 2017 10: 34 New
        +2
        Serbs have long been quietly settling in the EU. The Yugoslav events in the 90 would not have happened, the first Serbs would have joined NATO! But as I see the resentment at the NTA, they are quickly leaving, so let's see what quality their new MiGs will "show aerobatics in the center of Europe" ... laughing It is your "Yugoslavs" back in the 50 that in fact became an unofficial member of the "imperialist bloc" and received a lot of weapons from the United States! wink
        1. Cossack 471
          Cossack 471 26 October 2017 19: 11 New
          0
          All this trepidation of the Bulgarians before the new war. only now the big brother will not shed blood for you
      4. ammunition
        ammunition 26 October 2017 22: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: Department-M
        "Brothers" are sick


        Not in this case sad
        Bulgaria is a member of NATO.
        The sabotage of Bulgarian pilots is a patriotic act .. partly heroic. As well as intentional damage to equipment.
        --------------------
        In Europe, it smells of war. Therefore, the spontaneous sabotage of ANY military in Europe can only be welcomed!
        Here the Germans intentionally damaged the screws of their submarine. Well done !!! Patriots!
        Let the Yankees fight wherever they want, but not on Vaterland.
      5. Yujiko
        Yujiko 28 October 2017 02: 02 New
        +2
        Recently, the Bulgarians refused to shoot at targets in the form of silhouettes of Russian soldiers.
        Bulgarians in NATO, and for what purpose NATO uses Russian planes - as targets, goals, for training NATO pilots, on NATO pilots.
        Maybe this is a quiet sabotage of the Bulgarians?
        1. ammunition
          ammunition 28 October 2017 11: 30 New
          +3
          Quote: Yujiko
          Maybe this is a quiet sabotage of the Bulgarians?


          I think yes. And not so quiet.
          For him, too, courage is required.
    2. SERGE ANT
      SERGE ANT 24 October 2017 18: 32 New
      +5
      So they don’t want to buy new ones ...
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 24 October 2017 18: 39 New
        +4
        Quote: SERGE ANT
        So they don’t want to buy new ones ...

        Political convictions do not even allow them to extend the resource - which one to buy there. And a hole in your pocket.
        With 21 they already said goodbye, now let them say goodbye to 29.
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 24 October 2017 18: 56 New
          55
          Quote: Gray Brother
          They already said goodbye to 21, now let them say goodbye to 29

          They can’t get used to it - fourteen years ago Bulgaria said goodbye to the Kozloduy nuclear power station, built by Soviet nuclear scientists. At the insistence of the European Union, four workers and completely safe reactors were shut down, the remaining two will be shut down before 2020. The Russian project of the Burgas-Alexandropolis oil pipeline was closed. A few demonstrations by environmentalists, and it's over. The Bulgarians buried the new Belene nuclear power station. And before its construction, Bulgaria paid one and a half billion leva (750 million euros) to prepare the site for the construction of the plant. Plus, Russia has filed a lawsuit against Bulgaria in an international arbitration court for refusing to build. Well, the fourth reincarnation is the freezing of the South Stream to the detriment of itself. There is an expression that Bulgaria is a cemetery of the Orthodox fraternity, and it is difficult to disagree with this.
          1. pytar
            pytar 24 October 2017 23: 30 New
            +3
            You read all the contracts and fin. calculations above recounted by you objects? bully Or ... all the "info" you have from rus-media ... wink
            ... this is a cemetery of the Orthodox fraternity ...
            Not for you to judge. Bulgaria is the first Slavic country to adopt Christianity / Orthodoxy /. It is more alive in Bulgaria than the living and will be so for centuries. hi
            1. Solomon Kane
              Solomon Kane 25 October 2017 00: 34 New
              15
              What faith are you talking about? You didn’t join NATO - you betrayed Russia, betrayed friendship ...
              Judah's sin is the worst, because the sin of betrayal is one of the worst human sins.


              Go dry the pepper ......
              1. pytar
                pytar 25 October 2017 10: 24 New
                +3
                You betrayed Russia, betrayed friendship ...

                You have betrayed everyone and everything, you have no right to judge anyone!
                Go dry the pepper ......

                Are you a traffic controller or something ..? lol Stick in hand and go wherever you want. negative
                1. Tersky
                  Tersky 25 October 2017 12: 46 New
                  +7
                  Quote: pytar
                  You have betrayed everyone and everything, you have no right to judge anyone!

                  But what is the betrayal of Russia, in that it has ceased to pour our money into your economy? You wanted to be free from the "Russian yoke", so a drum on your neck and a flag in your hands, forward into a "bright" future soldier
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 25 October 2017 13: 09 New
                    +3
                    Question 1 - At the time of Sots we did not have Soviet troops. Do you consider this a fact as proof that Bulgaria was itself a faithful ally of the Soviet Union?
                    Question 2 - Who Ruined ATS and CMEA? Bulgaria or Gorby?
                    Question 3 - Who Ruined the USSR? Bulgaria?
                    Question 4 - What foreign policy did Yeltsin lead? Specifically to Bulgaria?
                    Question 5 - Russia "has ceased to pour our money into your economy" ... Did the Russian people begin to live better under capitalism? Richer in abundance and abundance?
                    Question 6 - What is the socio-political system in Russia now? What happened to the "bright socialist future" in your country
            2. Tersky
              Tersky 25 October 2017 12: 38 New
              11
              Quote: pytar
              Not for you to judge.

              You are mistaken, "dearest," it is for us to judge, for the blood of our ancestors was shed for the freedom of Bulgaria.
              Quote: pytar
              Bulgaria is the first Slavic country to adopt Christianity / Orthodoxy /.

              Judas was one of the first to adopt Christianity.
              Quote: pytar
              You read all the contracts and fin. calculations above recounted by you objects? Or ... all the "info" you have from rus-media.

              Is that a great secret? All data on the Bulgarian economy and its losses after joining the EU and NATO are in open sources, to which RU-media has nothing to do. Hammer in the search engine what you have today with the economy, and quietly be horrified.
              1. pytar
                pytar 25 October 2017 12: 57 New
                +2
                ... for the blood of our ancestors was shed for the freedom of Bulgaria ...

                It is very doubtful whether you and you are similar descendants of those Heroes who shed their blood for the freedom of Bulgaria. Reading your comments, a person will begin to doubt. Do not cause respect for yourself, I’ll directly say ...
                Judas was one of the first to adopt Christianity.

                You gave birth to the most terrible traitors in history! Judah is not the one who pokes his fingers constantly! Judah is YOURS!
                ... data on the Bulgarian economy and its losses after joining the EU and NATO are in open sources ...

                An economy built on non-market principles cannot switch to market without loss. Reference - the loss of the Russian economy during the transition from socialism to capitalism. At sunset, in 1990, Bulgaria had only 300 million dollars. foreign exchange reserves and debt to repay by the end of that year 1 billion billion! The country went bankrupt. With 2007 g. / Entry into the EU / The Bulgarian economy began to revive. Now we have foreign exchange reserves in 27,1 billion dollars, GDP in 50 billion euros / which never happened, even in the "blossoming" times of Todor Zhivkov /. Fifth consecutive year average growth of 3%. In 2016, Bulgaria became one of the three leading EU countries in terms of economic growth. This is all the facts from open sources. Agree that for a country without natural resources, this is a very good result! Of course, we have a lot of criticism and complaints about the problems we have! But who has no problem?
                1. Tersky
                  Tersky 25 October 2017 20: 37 New
                  +9
                  Quote: pytar
                  You gave birth to the most terrible traitors in history! Judah is not the one who pokes his fingers constantly! Judah is YOURS!

                  Well, you have discovered your true face, "brother", a classic example of the fact that Soros’s money invested in washing the brains of the population of former VD countries was not wasted.
                  Quote: pytar
                  It is very doubtful whether you and you are similar descendants of those Heroes who shed their blood for the freedom of Bulgaria. Reading your comments, a person will begin to doubt. Do not cause respect for yourself, I’ll directly say ...

                  Not respected, I am a hereditary Terek Cossack, my great-grandfather on the father's side took part in the liberation of Bulgaria under the leadership of General N.P. Creridera. He was awarded a silver medal for the capture of Nikopol. He was twice wounded. Googling at your leisure how many Bulgarian orphans were rescued and then adopted by Cossacks, maybe at least something will come to the “patriot” whom the bad Russians “betrayed”, and whom you, the Bulgarians, in 2015 did not invite to celebrate the liberation of Bulgaria from the Ottoman yoke during ... the Russian-Turkish war. Thank you for your appreciation". Everything is clear with you, there can be no dialogue between us, because the smell of an Independent Independence Square blows from you, you hear the sound of pots and thirty silver coins.
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 26 October 2017 13: 32 New
                    +2
                    A classic example of the fact that Soros’s money invested in brainwashing of the population of the former VD countries was not wasted.

                    I form my opinion on issues related to relations between our countries on 90% of Russian sources. I think that if the majority of Bulgarians read them, then the Bulgarian traditional Russophilia will sharply become colder ... No propaganda is able to do what is happening in your media and forums.
                    Not respected, I am a hereditary Terek Cossack, my great-grandfather on the father's side took part in the liberation of Bulgaria

                    To your Grandfather bow and veneration! hi In Bulgaria there are more than 400 monuments of the Russian Liberators and they always have fresh flowers! Unfortunately, your biological kinship with your grandfather does not guarantee posterity in relation to the Ego of the Feat! After all, a good person may have a son who is not quite good ... In fact, you are not personally to blame for what is happening now. Propaganda is to blame. She poison brother on brother! And I will apologize for my harsh statement! Boiling up from all these invented reproaches!
                    in 2015 they were not invited to celebrate the liberation of Bulgaria from the Ottoman yoke during the ... Russian-Turkish war.

                    This is another example of moronic Bulgarian propaganda propaganda! Who wasn’t invited? Russian official delegations were present at all places where solemn events were held both in 2015 and 2016! I myself participated in the organizing committee meeting one of them! As for President Putin, I specify: According to the accepted international diplomatic etiquette, State Heads are invited only to Round Anniversaries to celebrate such Holidays! In 2018, we will celebrate 140 years from the Liberation of Bulgaria! President Putin received an invitation and confirmed that he would come! For some reason, they don’t tell you the details from rus-media ...
                    Everything is clear with you, there can be no dialogue between us, because the smell of an Independent Independence Square blows from you, you hear the sound of pots and thirty silver coins.

                    I am just happy to conduct dialogues with people who think with their own heads, and not from the TV! What do you do, see for yourself! Do such an experiment! Enter in the search engine Yandex the string "Bulgarians traitors"! Get 10 !!!!!! a million results! In fact, the amount of negative material towards Bulgaria and the Bulgarians in ru-resources is much greater! Do you think this is normal? There is nothing similar in its antiXXX in the Bulgarian resources, no matter how "sorosoidal" they are !! For this I told you earlier, look in the mirror when you blame the Bulgarians for something! hi
                  2. Zhivan
                    Zhivan 28 October 2017 23: 10 New
                    0
                    Russian-Turkish war (1877–1878)
                    San Stefano agreement !!!
                    Creation of a big Bulgaria, shed blood 10.000 Russians !!!
            3. x.andvlad
              x.andvlad 25 October 2017 16: 23 New
              +3
              Quote: pytar
              It is more alive in Bulgaria than the living and will be so for centuries.

              Yeah ... You can still be proud of joining NATO For All Ages !!! And also by the fact that they created a springboard for an attack on Russia, and prepared to fight against it. Come on, brother, be proud. You have something to be proud of.
              1. pytar
                pytar 25 October 2017 16: 39 New
                +2
                NATO will not be forever and ever. And we will! Why be proud, this is our concern, not yours. laughing
                1. Maksim
                  Maksim 26 October 2017 00: 32 New
                  +1
                  Peter, it’s not worth it. Casserole-headedness of the brain is an East Slavic disease. A flag in their hands and a drum around his neck. Let them whine further. All of them are grandchildren of a Cossack or daughter of an officer.
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 26 October 2017 14: 01 New
                    +2
                    Last time I try! repeat Hope does not fade away! Or maybe there are normal ones? what
                    1. Maksim
                      Maksim 26 October 2017 16: 06 New
                      +1
                      There are normal ones and they are the vast majority. Only they apparently do not hang out at VO, or they feel sick from sofa eskperds who are also grandchildren / daughters.
                      And in general, Russians are quite adequate people, but the knowledge of a sofa shkolota is simply amazing here.
                      1. Serzh
                        Serzh 31 October 2017 16: 39 New
                        0
                        Your knowledge is also amazing.
                        You never answered a single claim, oppress your line and leave uncomfortable questions unanswered. Too familiar line of conduct not to draw parallels. The trouble for you is that it is not in your favor.
                        And Russia, the USSR, having its very significant "place" throughout the history of our continent, is haunting many. And it seems to you - too ...
            4. cuzmin.mihail2013
              cuzmin.mihail2013 25 October 2017 18: 11 New
              0
              So let them pray! Religion is opium for the people! In almost all the troubles of mankind, she is involved. And the smaller it is in the state, the more progressive and stronger it is than others.
              1. pytar
                pytar 25 October 2017 19: 24 New
                +2
                How so? belay Until now, the Bulgarians have blamed all the troubles, and now all of a sudden ... you decided to take the blame! request Your insight has come or ... have the instructions changed? wassat
            5. Cossack 471
              Cossack 471 26 October 2017 19: 19 New
              +2
              Less pathos. accept the horde of Muslims at the behest of Brussels. since you have the experience of living together with the Turks. Then we will find out who is more alive than the living. And the fact that you adopted Christianity probably means that you are closest to God?
              1. pytar
                pytar 27 October 2017 09: 33 New
                +2
                Then we will find out who is more alive than the living

                That's when you know, then speak! Now you do not know anything and talk all kinds of nonsense. laughing
                And the fact that you previously adopted Christianity probably means that you are closest to God?

                God alone knows what that means. You do not know. You are not HIS secretary ... lol
        2. weksha50
          weksha50 24 October 2017 19: 01 New
          +6
          Quote: Gray Brother
          Political convictions do not even allow them to extend the resource - which one to buy there.


          Duc ... It seems that in the past (or the year before last) year, the Bulgarians gave their Mig-29 for repair (in violation of all rights and agreements) given to the Poles for repair ...
          Maybe the “bros” after the Polish service are now afraid of flying the MiG-29? laughing
          The MIG Corporation, after the Poles, has now refused all services for THESE Migs ...
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 24 October 2017 20: 03 New
            +1
            Quote: weksha50
            Duc ... It seems that in the past (or the year before last) year, the Bulgarians gave their Mig-29 for repair (in violation of all rights and agreements) given to the Poles for repair ...

            I have not seen information about the implementation of this agreement. In 2015, they were all going there, but they were not going to - they still pull the cat by the trunk.
        3. max45
          max45 25 October 2017 02: 38 New
          +1
          Why buy new, let the western fools protect us!
        4. ammunition
          ammunition 26 October 2017 22: 08 New
          +2
          Quote: Gray Brother
          So they don’t want to buy new ones ...


          Right! Do not want.
          The USA is starting a war. Hands of European countries. And Bulgaria as well.
          Sabotage is required! And Sabotage is coming. Well done !!
      2. pytar
        pytar 25 October 2017 09: 34 New
        +4
        The issue is still under discussion. So far, opinions are leaning toward buying the new Flu. A week ago it was reported that F-16 is returning to the tender. Lockheed Martin made an offer to supply Folkon, production of 2016. In principle, Bulgaria needs single-engine, maneuverable, light fighter.
        1. CT-55_11-9009
          CT-55_11-9009 30 October 2017 16: 52 New
          0
          Quote: pytar
          In principle, Bulgaria needs a single-engine, maneuverable, light fighter.

          Then really one of the best options is Gripen. But your Ministry of Defense will take, most likely, American equipment, as many as three teeth I give!
          1. pytar
            pytar 30 October 2017 17: 09 New
            +2
            Grippen, according to experts, is ideal for BG. Short run-up, more modern and more economical than Ф-16. 100% reverse money is provided through Swedish investment in Bulgaria. The Czech Republic and Hungary are already exploiting it and the feedback is very good. I suppose you lose your three teeth. bully
            1. CT-55_11-9009
              CT-55_11-9009 31 October 2017 08: 56 New
              +1
              I’ll give up the collapsed ones, at the same time I am getting rid of the roots. So both sides are good!
      3. pytar
        pytar 26 October 2017 12: 53 New
        +2
        At the November 24, the Minister of Defense of Bulgaria and Deputy Prime Minister Krasimir Karakachanov issued such a statement / quote passages /:
        "... the condition of all types of armed forces is critical." And the ground forces use machines of the time when the planes were bought. The same condition and fleets .... it is impossible to solve this in a month or two. .. .. there are three modernization projects - buy armored vehicles, build two ships and buy new fighters. All this will cost Bulgaria 3.5 billion / euro?!? / and I don’t want to do all this on the run, so that later no one will blame me for violations or unprofitable prices ... “For those who call to buy only 9 new fighters, I want to ask if we would are we growing 43 planes that we can repair, that we can finally solve all problems with 9 planes that we’ll finally buy? We need to move in parallel - on the one hand, support and modernization of existing aircraft and at the same time negotiations on the purchase of new fighters ... "
    3. Tersky
      Tersky 24 October 2017 18: 34 New
      +7
      Quote: Cat Racecourse
      somehow it wasn’t fun for the “little brothers”; you won’t get far without proper maintenance

      It's time for them to go for experience to chubby Eun there has long been resolved the problem of service and flights soldier. With all the shortcomings of this solution, guaranteed complete safety of flights with minimal maintenance costs good yes
    4. Partyzan
      Partyzan 24 October 2017 18: 38 New
      +4
      they also bought new JAS 39 Gripen fighters from the Swedes
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 24 October 2017 18: 55 New
        +5
        Quote: Partyzan
        they also bought new JAS 39 Gripen fighters from the Swedes

        They didn’t buy anything, they only announced their intentions - 8 pcs. in installments, in five years, maybe they will buy it.
        In 50 years they will pay for them wassat ...may be lol
        1. Partyzan
          Partyzan 24 October 2017 19: 01 New
          +4
          Quote: Gray Brother
          They didn’t buy anything, they only announced their intentions - 8 pcs. in installments, in five years, maybe they will buy it.
          In 50 years they’ll pay for them ... maybe

          Well, they’re not the same as to slow down so laughing
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 24 October 2017 19: 11 New
            0
            Quote: Partyzan
            Well, they’re not the same as to slow down so

            And here it makes no difference - they have no money.
        2. pytar
          pytar 24 October 2017 23: 19 New
          +2
          There will probably be amazing news for you, but Bulgaria’s GDP in 2017 for the first time in history reached a record 50 billion euro. And according to plans for 2018, he should reach 52 billion euros. So, there are already financial opportunities to solve the problem with the supply of new aircraft.
          1. Solomon Kane
            Solomon Kane 25 October 2017 00: 01 New
            +5
            Bulgaria’s GDP in 2017 for the first time in history reached a record 50 billion euro.

            Oh! There is no comrade Stalin on you. He would have put you all on the "counter" ..... He wouldn’t buy airplanes, Sunny Beach has been repaid for debts
            1. pytar
              pytar 25 October 2017 09: 48 New
              +2
              There is no this comrade. He has long died. Turned out to be mortal. God be his judge ... Although some still "live under Stalin" and fantasize in a violet fluid! laughing
            2. Maksim
              Maksim 26 October 2017 00: 33 New
              +1
              And also the keys to the apartment where the money is, not?
      2. SCHNIFER
        SCHNIFER 24 October 2017 19: 00 New
        +1
        JAS39 is far from new, the brainchild of the 80s of the last century. In addition to the short runway, it has no particular advantages. I lost in the Indian tender. In addition, for countries such as Bulgaria, they may not have time to reach the supersonic sound, as their neighbors will have.
        1. pytar
          pytar 24 October 2017 23: 10 New
          +3
          The Bulgarian government is going to buy it Grippen in its latest configuration. It is ideal in its parameters for a mountainous country like Bulgaria. We need a light, maneuverable, economical fighter. Short runway just in time!
    5. Sasha71
      Sasha71 24 October 2017 20: 51 New
      +1
      They can sell cheaply in Syria Assad, Egypt or another country friendly to us, which will be provided with comprehensive services. Will their Big Brother only allow this? It all depends on the presence of remnants of dignity among the “democratically elected” Bulgarian leaders.
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    7. pytar
      pytar 24 October 2017 23: 38 New
      +3
      somehow it wasn’t fun for the “little brothers”; you won’t get far without proper maintenance

      Everything will be fine ... Do not worry. Pilots decided to "click" on the officials so that the kids hurry up and buy new planes. Thank God, in recent years, money has also accumulated in the budget, so ... soon the issue will be resolved. drinks
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 25 October 2017 06: 41 New
        0
        Quote: pytar
        Bulgaria's GDP in 2017 for the first time in history reaches a record 50 billion euros

        Get fucked up! Well, how many hamburgers for 10-12 euros can be bought!
        Quote: pytar
        Thank God, in recent years, money has also accumulated in the budget, so ... soon the issue will be resolved.

        And then how much can you buy for these candy wrappers?
        1. pytar
          pytar 25 October 2017 10: 03 New
          +2
          We have our own burgers! And tastier and cheaper than the McDonald's. laughing
          As for Gripenov, the total value of the offer is about 1,5 billion levs / 750 million euros / for the 16 fighter, which includes support for the entire operation cycle and personnel training. Payment must be made under the leasing scheme for 15 years. The first 5 years of 50 million euros. The offer includes a full 100% offset in the field of defense, communications, energy, healthcare and the automotive industry. In addition, the price of one flight hour for Grippen costs 4000 dollars. , and for comparison, F-16 has 8 thousand. , F-18 - 14-18 thousand. The offer of the Swedes is quite within the power of the Bulgarian budget. hi
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 25 October 2017 13: 35 New
            0
            Quote: pytar
            We have our own burgers! And tastier and cheaper than

            I know. But the fact of the matter is that you would buy on the levs, but on the euro ... It is not clear who spread rot, your own or others.
            1. pytar
              pytar 25 October 2017 15: 13 New
              +2
              You obviously don’t know ... In Bulgaria, for 20 years, how it works currency board. 2 BGN always = xnumx evra. For each printed 1 lev, 2 real euros in cash cost. Formally, Bulgaria is not included in the eurozone, but in fact the Bulgarian currency is a euro currency sign with a “different” appearance and design. Such an emission policy has both advantages and disadvantages. Under Bulgarian conditions, the currency board is more than useful, since no government, no government has the right to emit a "penny" without currency coverage. To illustrate, I will give such an example - the Bulgarian budget receives, for example, 1 euros of profit and brings them to the BNB. And the BNB has the right to imitate 1000 leva and put them into circulation. The euro is in warranty as security for this 2000 lv. Of course, in reality, everything is more complicated, but I think the example is clear.
              1. sogdy
                sogdy 25 October 2017 19: 45 New
                0
                There is such a thing - the "purchasing power" of the monetary unit.
                The purchasing power of the lev is still slightly higher than that of the euro. But you were tied to the euro.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 25 October 2017 20: 24 New
                  +2
                  I agree. I said that currency board has negatives as well. The positive thing is that it does not give politicians the opportunity to print uncontrollably unsecured money on "raising salaries" for populist purposes! By this, inflation remains within a narrow framework and under control! Knowing our politicians, I’m sure that they would immediately take advantage especially before the elections! hi
      2. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 28 October 2017 12: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: pytar
        pytar October 24, 2017 23:38 p.m. ↑
        somehow it wasn’t fun for the “little brothers”; you won’t get far without proper maintenance

        Everything will be fine ... Do not worry. Pilots decided to "click" on the officials so that the kids hurry up and buy new planes. Thank God, in recent years, money has also accumulated in the budget, so ... soon the issue will be resolved

        Effective officials may ask a simple question: "Why do Bulgaria need airplanes at all?"
        From the adversaries to defend themselves? What for? The Bulgarian defends the 5th article of the NATO treaty - just a few sneezed at Bulgaria, then NATO, in the person of the United States, throws a dozen hydrogen bombs there, and the brave gadgets with the Poles rush to the site of the explosion in a pedestrian attack. And if there is something left in the district where you can marauder, then the Romanians with the Turks will catch up. And the Bulgarians will watch it all on TV.
        Something like this ...
        1. pytar
          pytar 30 October 2017 15: 21 New
          +2
          Interesting script! What general staff is developed? laughing
    8. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 28 October 2017 12: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: Cat Racecourse

      14
      Ivory Boots October 24, 2017 18:29
      somehow it wasn’t fun for the “little brothers”; you won’t get far without proper maintenance

      It’s all not a problem - to hand over these MiGs to break the FSO. Uncertainty will disappear, all sorts of risks will disappear. And pilots can make cool tomato sellers in the market ...
      Ugh, damn ... I forgot that the European Union restricted the cultivation of tomatoes in Bulgaria ... But this is not a problem, they will trade Turkish, if there are no Bulgarian!
  2. axiles100682
    axiles100682 24 October 2017 18: 30 New
    +3
    Do the Bulgarians still have something to patrol? Does something violate their air? The insidious Russians?
    1. Logall
      Logall 24 October 2017 18: 34 New
      14
      Ottomans! They were always afraid of them ... And the insidious Russians ...!
      1. axiles100682
        axiles100682 24 October 2017 18: 36 New
        +1
        So stink with the Turks allies in NAT !!! laughing
        1. Maksim
          Maksim 24 October 2017 22: 27 New
          +1
          Call the orderlies !!!
          1. pytar
            pytar 25 October 2017 13: 27 New
            +2
            And the orderlies will not help. Here you need a pathologist ... lol
        2. CT-55_11-9009
          CT-55_11-9009 30 October 2017 16: 56 New
          0
          The Greeks and the Turks are also NATO allies, however, they have a constant squeak with each other, even though they are dying out), and the account of those shot down in their conflict has been open for a long time.
          1. pytar
            pytar 2 November 2017 12: 36 New
            +2
            It often came to heat between the Romanians and the Hungarians in the ATS ... NATO also has problems between some of the countries. Nothing new.
  3. axiles100682
    axiles100682 24 October 2017 18: 32 New
    16
    Lying under NATO cannot fly. Especially on MIGs lol
    1. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 24 October 2017 20: 18 New
      +2
      Lying under Nata cannot even crawl. What are you speaking about!?
  4. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 24 October 2017 18: 35 New
    +4
    So, our dear Bulgarian pilots, Russia does not give you the MiG-29 as Serbs for free, because your government is behaving badly.
    1. exwarrent
      exwarrent 24 October 2017 19: 45 New
      +5
      Let's see if the Serbs will merge over time ... And then there were already bells. Here most of all I would not want to be disappointed in another fraternal people
      1. Gado
        Gado 24 October 2017 21: 43 New
        17
        We are your brothers twice or even three times as much as the Serbs, and sooner or later you will understand this, I'm not talking about our politicians bought and sold a hundred times. It is a fact that at the VO from the former socialist countries, only we, the Bulgarians, are still here, although occasionally, we communicate with you in Russian, discussing this or that. And at all I did not see here the Serbs whom you call "brothers", all the more so writing in Russian. All the best!
        1. exwarrent
          exwarrent 24 October 2017 22: 20 New
          +2
          And good day to you, dear. Thank you for specifically YOU, as an individual, who consider our peoples fraternal. But be so kind as to answer the following question: since Bulgaria has been a NATO member since 2004, in the event of a military confrontation between Russia and the alliance, it will be forced to use its armed forces, and certainly not on the side of Russia. In this case, do you count on mass desertion from the army and mass protests? I think this is unrealistic.
          And as for Serbs, I have no Serb friends yet, I have two in my life, I specialized, you know, in the first (civilian) university on the constitutional law of the Republic of Yugoslavia, they made friends there. And we communicate with them exclusively in Russian, although a decent amount of Serbian words have also already been picked up.
          1. max45
            max45 25 October 2017 02: 46 New
            +1
            Serbs like Turks will turn around and shove a knife in the back and do not forget that half of Russia is the bearer of the Bulgarian territory, read stories!
            1. nafanal
              nafanal 25 October 2017 06: 24 New
              +2
              You tell this to our Tatars. My friends from Kazan are very offended by you. And they spit when you remind them of your relationship with the Bulgarians
              1. sogdy
                sogdy 25 October 2017 06: 47 New
                0
                Quote: Nathanael
                And they spit when you remind them of your relationship with the Bulgarians

                Vashcheta, right. Kinship with the Pechersk Bulgars, and not with the Volga.
              2. pytar
                pytar 25 October 2017 10: 08 New
                +2
                You have some wrong friends in Kazan ... laughing Joke with you! laughing
              3. Maksim
                Maksim 26 October 2017 06: 45 New
                0
                Tatars what side are considered relatives to us? It is necessary, dear, not only to hang in, but also books, books ...
        2. exwarrent
          exwarrent 24 October 2017 22: 27 New
          +3
          Well, a couple of facts in support of my point of view about Serbia.
          This was the case in 2011.

          This is a poster posted. Serbian fans (Tribune Delia) at the match Crvena Star-Zenith.
          Here it is now:
          https://vpk.name/news/189154_serbiya_ne_schitaet_
          sovmestnyie_ucheniya_s_nato_otkazom_ot_politiki_n
          eitraliteta.html
          https://regnum.ru/news/1906645.html
        3. Socialism 2.0
          Socialism 2.0 25 October 2017 07: 46 New
          +1
          You are not brothers to us, go through the forest with all your Bulgarian people.
          1. alatanas
            alatanas 25 October 2017 13: 30 New
            +1
            Since it’s not brothers, why, like what in Bulgaria, you immediately get angry at “little brothers” - what kind of bad guys are they, you see? Then go to the Turkish brothers in the forest (by the way, they are also in NATO, like the Orthodox Greeks, who, too, seem to have been freed by the Russian fleet). hi
            1. Socialism 2.0
              Socialism 2.0 25 October 2017 13: 54 New
              0
              that the Turks, that the Bulgarians, are already the same tribe. You do not touch the Greeks, they are much more decent than you. Although the devils are still those.
              1. alatanas
                alatanas 25 October 2017 16: 59 New
                +1
                Erdogan is your first friend at this moment. It turns out that you are "one tribe" fellow
        4. Dimachrus
          Dimachrus 25 October 2017 09: 11 New
          +2
          Judging by your logic, I and the representatives of the "God-chosen" who write here in Russian in "brother" write ???
          1. Gado
            Gado 26 October 2017 22: 05 New
            +2
            But your logic is so special, I can’t tell you anything, our business is small.
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      3. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 28 October 2017 12: 52 New
        0
        Quote: exwarrent

        4
        exwarrent October 24, 2017 19:45 PM ↑
        Let's see if the Serbs will merge over time ... And then there were already bells. Here most of all I would not want to be disappointed in another fraternal people

        No need to be fascinated by anyone, no need to be disappointed.
    2. pytar
      pytar 24 October 2017 23: 45 New
      +2
      Type of free cheese to the Serbs ...? You're lying! After all, immediately voice the conditions! wink
      1. max45
        max45 25 October 2017 02: 49 New
        +1
        Free cheese / airplanes / no. Excuse me for not speaking Russian.
        1. pytar
          pytar 25 October 2017 10: 37 New
          +2
          Of course! "You will listen, we will give you a couple of airplane ..." Nothing personal! Just a business! laughing
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 25 October 2017 13: 40 New
            0
            Quote: pytar
            "Will you listen, give you a couple of airplane ..."

            In the EU and NATO the same. It seems they are selling it - but after 5 years. If you will listen to uncle.
            1. pytar
              pytar 25 October 2017 14: 05 New
              +2
              Well, you ... all 5 years? bully During the time of social waiting for 30 years, the queue for Lada Kopeyka! Fortunately, it was made half a century ... laughing And then some 5 years! Nonsense... wink
              1. sogdy
                sogdy 25 October 2017 14: 53 New
                0
                And these specific instances will be these 5 years in operation. Not with you.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 25 October 2017 15: 49 New
                  +2
                  SAAB guarantees the Bulgarians 8000 l.h. / or at least 40 years of operation / for the proposed new JAS 39 "Gripen". Production will begin immediately after signing the eventual contract. The supply of the first Flu is guaranteed for a period of 10-12 months. As far as I know, the Swedes have always strictly adhered to deadlines for similar contracts. I see no reason to doubt their capabilities and correctness.
    3. Sharansky
      Sharansky 25 October 2017 13: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      Russia does not give you the MiG-29 as Serbs for free, because your government is behaving badly.

      Why the hell to them another pack of rusty trash? They want new Gripeny, and that’s putting pressure on the government.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 25 October 2017 14: 49 New
        +1
        And yet, who and where will they take the _new_ Influenza?
        Only upgraded. After which repair?
        1. Sharansky
          Sharansky 25 October 2017 15: 13 New
          +1
          Saab, ktozh still, they have already announced their readiness to resume production. Bulgarians have no special problems with money, the budget only won from a drop in oil.
  5. Vita vko
    Vita vko 24 October 2017 18: 36 New
    +1
    Feelings of self-preservation are one of the strongest motivations. As it turned out, Bulgarian pilots are stronger than criminal orders. It is a pity that for 4 years of war in Ukraine. such motivation is lacking in the Armed Forces of Ukraine carrying out the criminal orders of the Ukrainian junta.
    1. purple
      purple 24 October 2017 21: 02 New
      +1
      after three glasses the fear disappears
      1. pytar
        pytar 24 October 2017 23: 48 New
        +2
        This is the MiG-25 for cooling with electrical equipment was 300 liter tank with alcohol! drinks They say that alcohol too quickly “evaporated” from it ... wink
      2. alatanas
        alatanas 25 October 2017 17: 00 New
        +1
        In Bulgaria, glasses are not accepted. Traditions are different.
        1. CT-55_11-9009
          CT-55_11-9009 30 October 2017 16: 59 New
          0
          Quote: alatanas
          In Bulgaria, glasses are not accepted. Traditions are different.

          I dare to ask: what, immediately with bottles? ..
          1. pytar
            pytar 2 November 2017 12: 42 New
            +2
            I dare to answer: We drink according to Malenko. Extended in time. And always with a snack. So you can drink more than Russian, remaining in good condition. The purpose of drinking at the Bulgarians, enjoy the taste of the drink! Give fuel without afterburner for the mood! No goal, we get drunk and "disconnect"! We are extremely rarely seen drunk. But people in a good mood, without aggression and show-offs, this is normal. wink drinks
  6. Doliva63
    Doliva63 24 October 2017 18: 36 New
    +6
    Reading the title of the article, I already suggested the answer - because they don’t know how laughing
    1. Wasiliy1985
      Wasiliy1985 24 October 2017 18: 54 New
      +6
      I thought the same way! It turned out - no!
      On the contrary, they would fly if airplanes passed on time. Pilots have common sense to be - unlike the political leadership.
      In fact, this is the pilot’s claim: “where is the Air Force’s normal operation ?!”
      And the MiG-29th here is just a figure of speech, could the French Mirage or the joint Tornado appear on this board ..
  7. Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 24 October 2017 18: 36 New
    +7
    Tambov wolf brother to them .. for a nickle will be sold, and his mother. and why was it necessary to free them from the Ottomans. what would they have fought with us in two world wars ?? in the third they will climb against us.
    1. Gado
      Gado 26 October 2017 22: 19 New
      +3
      Was it you who freed us to ask such a question? I read a thousand times about the two world wars in which we fought with the Russians, and about other things that have nothing to do with the truth. Are you too lazy to reread books or are you not studying history?
      At the top, someone asked - will the Bulgarians fight with the Russians as part of NATO and will there be mass protests and desertions? And here is what I will answer - there will be both one and the other and the third, but most ordinary Bulgarians will always be on the side of the truth and the Russians. Although you betrayed us many times, my people remember the Russians as liberators, and while I and those who still remember the times of the Soviet Union are alive, this memory will not fade. Well, and as we go into oblivion, I hope there will be other reasons for the Bulgarians to tell you "bros". All.
  8. SCHMEL
    SCHMEL 24 October 2017 18: 37 New
    +3
    "The patrolling of the airspace of Bulgaria continues." It is not specified at the same time by whom the patrol is currently carried out.

    America with you laughing not with ... those bro lol
    1. Maksim
      Maksim 26 October 2017 16: 12 New
      +1
      And it’s fearless who is with us - terribly with whom we are. Ask the Ottoman Empire and the USSR. laughing
      1. CT-55_11-9009
        CT-55_11-9009 30 October 2017 17: 01 New
        +1
        Then NATO p ... q comes, that's for sure. And how Ukraine will be pulled in there too - so there is a XNUMX% guarantee for this.
  9. without reverse
    without reverse 24 October 2017 18: 41 New
    +3
    and why do Bulgarian pilots refuse to fly the MiG-29 ??? weird !!
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 24 October 2017 18: 53 New
      +5
      Quote: without reverse
      and why do Bulgarian pilots refuse to fly the MiG-29 ???

      Yes, it seems the article clearly states .... request
      The reason is quite commonplace. Pilots fear for their lives due to the fact that the fleet of “Bulgarian” MiG-29 fighters has not been properly serviced for a long time and has not been modernized. In addition, the pilots actually lack the proper number of flying hours on these military aircraft.
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    2. pytar
      pytar 24 October 2017 23: 06 New
      +4
      Negotiations on the supply of MiG-29 begin in 87, and deliveries begin 88-year. First, they supply 4 (product 9-12А) at the price of a single copy of 11 600 000 transferable rubles and 2 couples (product 9-12А) at 12 300 000 Of the originally agreed 24 fighter, 18 are delivered due to an increased intertemporal price. Almost all MiGs currently have extremely small residual resources. The debate over their modernization, which has continued for 10 years, rests against the lack of money and the high cost of operating this model. All the same, the Bulgarian MiG-29 from the first series and special complaints are caused by high fuel consumption, and the equipment that has become obsolete morally and physically. In view of the absence of spare parts, there is a risk from an accident. Therefore, Bulgarian pilots refuse to fly on the MiGs. There is another point ... Since for a very long time everyone has been waiting for a political decision to upgrade the air fleet of the Bulgarian Air Force, the pilots decided to "push" the politicians like that! And already there is a principle decision on purchases of the newest version of Swedish Grippen. It is ideal for a country with mountainous terrain like Bulgaria. Moreover, in terms of price, operational and technical parameters, it really surpasses all competitive offers!
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      2. Mikhail Zubkov
        Mikhail Zubkov 25 October 2017 01: 49 New
        +3
        Bulgarian pilots are right - these are already flying coffins. It’s better to write them off and sell them for spare parts, so far they can even go to taxiing. Repair already does not make sense. The Russian Federation must be offered at a residual price, in offset of the debt for arbitration for Belene. Maybe they will ... Or for those 8 German radars that in 1941 worked against the USSR from the Bulgarian coast.
  10. bald
    bald 24 October 2017 18: 44 New
    0
    --- "According to the general, the pilots are insecure due to insufficient flight hours." --- fool And if you don’t fly, where did the clock come from ?! Well, this is so, by the way, but the technical condition of the machines, this is serious, why not immediately declare it in plain text. However, there is a variant and your daddies will be only too happy. F-35, "simple and tasteful" - then pay tax to payers. laughing
  11. alibabaewitch.vasilij2018
    alibabaewitch.vasilij2018 24 October 2017 18: 44 New
    +5
    oh you Thracian Bulgars) the time will come and you will be ashamed. unless of course it is familiar to you, that feeling.
    1. Maksim
      Maksim 26 October 2017 16: 16 New
      +1
      What will be ashamed of is that we don’t sing along to foreign boors, who strive to take pranks on us. Please do not hang us noodles.
      1. CT-55_11-9009
        CT-55_11-9009 30 October 2017 17: 02 New
        0
        Quote: Mac Sim
        What will be ashamed of is that we don’t sing along to foreign boors, who strive to take pranks on us. Please do not hang us noodles.

        Oyyyy, do not tell! Do not sing along? Or all that is west of Bulgaria - not abroad? A joke - and only.
  12. Ferdinant
    Ferdinant 24 October 2017 18: 54 New
    +2
    Let them go to Nizhny Novgorod, there for a ride on a MIG 29 ride
  13. 1536
    1536 24 October 2017 18: 54 New
    +2
    As the saying goes: you do not want to live in a good way, you will live according to the charter. Do not want to fly on MiGs, F-35 no one will give you. It becomes clear why these guys fell under the Turkish yoke.
    1. dubovitskiy.1947
      dubovitskiy.1947 24 October 2017 23: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: 1536
      As the saying goes: you do not want to live in a good way, you will live according to the charter. Do not want to fly on MiGs, F-35 no one will give you. It becomes clear why these guys fell under the Turkish yoke.

      Bulgarians flew on decommissioned biplanes sold by ally Adolf. Will fly on decommissioned NATO. Ours did the right thing, that in the past they were not in a hurry to hand over the most modern airplanes, having already given away the elderly. For even then one could feel the desire of the little brothers to betray again.
      1. alatanas
        alatanas 25 October 2017 16: 33 New
        +1
        Gorby dismissed the Warsaw Pact, not the Bulgarians. Aren't you ashamed of him? And then, in your opinion,
        one felt the desire of the little brothers to betray again.
        ?
        PS About CMEA - the same thing!
        1. pytar
          pytar 25 October 2017 17: 21 New
          +3
          All of us, we ... laughing But if you think about it, there is an unambiguous factology! Who owned us or we were our ally, ended badly ... Byzantines captured us in the 2 century and what happened to Byzantium? Where is she now? Then the Ottoman Empire! 5 centuries! On three continents! And what is left of her? Russian empire! I sincerely regret it, but ... again, we ... Then the German Empire! Allies in the vehicle! WWII and the end ... German Reich! No comment ... There is no ego, and here we are. THE USSR! We were his own faithful ally! He lasted a long time ... It's hard to believe, but he collapsed because of us ... By the end of the 90, we became allies with the United States. And they, right away, it went badly, and it has been worse since time ... And so, as soon as we entered the EU, and HE started pounding ... Guess who is to blame? Who else if not us? I am tormented by vague doubts about the fate of the United States, NATO and the EU! I suspect that if they themselves do not run away from us in time, they will end badly ... laughing
          1. svp67
            svp67 25 October 2017 17: 29 New
            +2
            Quote: pytar
            All of us, we ... Bulgarians ...

            Mabud, Mubud ...
            Quote: pytar
            Who owned us or we were his ally ended badly ...

            Here is what you have done now .... You can’t even imagine how you broke all the hopes of the whole country with this alone. Apparently because they were not in the know. So here. In Ukraine, “young, but promising historians,” under the leadership of Deputy Minister of Internal Affairs Mr. Gerashchenko, established that it was not from the Scandinavians that their true Kiev princes were born, but from the Bulgarians.
            1. pytar
              pytar 25 October 2017 20: 37 New
              +3
              "young but promising historians" - What is promising is clear! And how young? Have you finished shkolota? bully This is news for them, for you ... but not for us. We have long known this fact. We also know what you still do not know or deliberately keep silent! yes Not only the Kiev riches were with Bulgarian origin. Yes it is and Moscow. We always knew and told you that the Russians and Ukrainians, in essence, are one people whose kings are all our Bulgarian! laughing Yes, calm down, stop fighting! Take and finally unite! fellow And more ... Don’t worry! You can’t be alarmed! stop This we destroyed and destroyed all the empires and unions that forced us to accept their will. And where ours created kingdoms and boyars, everything will be fine! good After all, ours were promoting yours there! wassat
              1. Maksim
                Maksim 26 October 2017 16: 19 New
                +1
                Don't waste your energy, Peter. Apparently after zero some of the Russian Federation came from elves.
                Yes, and reading some comments here, I begin to understand why they have Fomenko in demand.
                1. CT-55_11-9009
                  CT-55_11-9009 30 October 2017 17: 04 New
                  0
                  Quote: Mac Sim
                  their Fomenko is in demand.

                  And now it was a shame ...
        2. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 28 October 2017 13: 05 New
          +1
          Quote: alatanas

          1
          alatanas October 25, 2017 16:33 ↑
          Gorby dismissed the Warsaw Pact, not the Bulgarians. Aren't you ashamed of him?

          I am ashamed. And for Gorbachev and for Yeltsin and for our entire ruling elite, who sold a great country for miserable pennies, with all the consequences arising from this crime.
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    1. Alekseits
      Alekseits 24 October 2017 19: 19 New
      0
      They have been buying bell peppers from the Greeks for a long time, not just selling something.
      1. pytar
        pytar 25 October 2017 11: 43 New
        +2
        Serious? Do you often visit Bulgaria? laughing
        1. Maksim
          Maksim 26 October 2017 16: 19 New
          +1
          He grows pepper there.
  15. SCHWERIN
    SCHWERIN 24 October 2017 19: 02 New
    +2
    Why do Bulgarians when they want to express their consent turn their heads from left to right, when not up - bottom? So they deceived the Turks .... Partisans e ....
    1. pytar
      pytar 25 October 2017 14: 08 New
      +2
      It is so ... yes no soldier
  16. without reverse
    without reverse 24 October 2017 19: 03 New
    +2
    Quote: LSA57
    Yes, it seems the article clearly states ....

    there the first letter And .. says that this question was banter) but oh well)
  17. dubovitskiy.1947
    dubovitskiy.1947 24 October 2017 19: 19 New
    +1
    Wonderful statement.
    They fly a little, because there is little flying, because they fly a little.
  18. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 24 October 2017 19: 36 New
    +1
    Why do they need the Air Force?
  19. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 24 October 2017 19: 55 New
    0
    You yourself have gone to bed yourself and rake up your shit Judas!
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  20. Aleksandr_2
    Aleksandr_2 24 October 2017 19: 56 New
    0
    Well, they don’t want the corrupt ones to fly, and so what’s the news ...... they are NATO members, and the ancient Soviet Mig-29s should have been disposed of for a long time as unnecessary
  21. akims
    akims 24 October 2017 20: 27 New
    +2
    Yes, and sykotno generally ...
  22. Antor
    Antor 24 October 2017 20: 33 New
    +4
    The leadership of the little brothers chose the European Union and NATO, and we must not forget that the Bulgarians fought under Hitler against the USSR .... at one time. While in Europe, including Bulgaria, I peered painfully at the graves of our Russian soldiers who gave their lives for the independence of this country. Pleven, Shipka who does not know these blood-soaked places and their Russian heroes who defended Bulgaria from Ottoman rule. Lord, how many Russian graves are in Europe !!! ???? The weak historical memory of the newly-arrived Bulgarian elites, who, like Hitler, follow the instructions of their masters from across the ocean, betraying and selling our bonds held together in centuries of blood. Having betrayed Russia more than once, it would be blasphemy to wish this country so that God forbid these bros sow death on our land on our Mig-29 planes and do not flatter ourselves that the Bulgarian pilots would not fulfill the order to fly against Russia if he will do it. So maybe this divine punishment for such an anti-Russian policy is better to sit on the ground and think with your head, and not ....., but not fly in the clouds of Russophobia. It is better to be friends with Russia, as the Serbs do, they have the very new Mig-29, and not the junk that the Poles supposedly modernized or repaired. I understand the pilots, they can’t fly in an ice-hole and it’s scary to fly. And what, nobody thought about it, spit on Russia ???
  23. Machete
    Machete 24 October 2017 20: 38 New
    0
    No plaque ...
    Well, if you refuse to fly, then there will be no raid.
  24. Berkut24
    Berkut24 24 October 2017 21: 02 New
    +1
    "The patrolling of the airspace of Bulgaria continues." It is not specified at the same time by whom the patrol is currently carried out.

    At first, the "allies" removed the Bulgarian customs officers, replacing them with their own, now they are patrolling the sky. These are they, freedom and independence under "democracy."
    1. pytar
      pytar 25 October 2017 11: 52 New
      +2
      "allies" removed the Bulgarian customs officers, replacing their

      What terrific misconceptions ... Is this such a verse written on rus-media or did you come up with it yourself ??? belay
      1. Berkut24
        Berkut24 25 October 2017 14: 53 New
        0
        Frontex EU Border Security Agency officers will take part in guarding Bulgarian borders against illegal migrants. This was stated by Vice Prime Minister and Interior Minister Rumyana Bychvarova.

        “We expect that 200 Frontex officers with the necessary equipment and service dogs will arrive in Bulgaria in the near future,” RIA Novosti quoted Bychvarova as saying.

        She also noted that Bulgaria sent an official request to the European Commission for the allocation of an additional € 160 million to protect the borders of the state. These funds will be spent on the purchase of technical equipment, the development of a video monitoring system and operational costs.

        “Our Bulgarian-Turkish border is so complex that it is practically impossible to provide its physical protection and surveillance at the moment. Therefore, today our main efforts are focused on controlling the extended perimeter in the border area and in populated areas, including in Sofia, where we regularly detain illegal migrants, ”said the Deputy Prime Minister.
        1. pytar
          pytar 25 October 2017 16: 06 New
          +2
          You yourself read what you invested? Where it writes, I quote from your previous post: "the allies removed the Bulgarian customs officers, replacing them with their own"?? wink Frontex is a completely different structure / border guards / and it will have its own tasks along the Bulgarian-Turkish border. "Frontex will take part in the protection of the borders of Bulgaria".
          1. Berkut24
            Berkut24 25 October 2017 18: 43 New
            0
            Well, let's add, since you are so restless.
            Polish border guards started working on the Bulgarian-Turkish border

            08:53 23.10.2017 Bulgaria
            On October 19, during the operation GDBOP (Main Directorate "Combating Organized Crime") and the National Security Agency (DANS) at the Malko Tarnovo crossing point, under various pretexts, they collected three shifts of customs officers working here and detained them until clarification.
            This was reported by Nova TV, citing a statement by the press secretary of the chief prosecutor of Bulgaria Rumyana Arnaudova, reports Вourgas.ru.
            We are talking about the corruption of the Bulgarian customs and extortion towards drivers of vehicles that cross the Bulgarian-Turkish border here.
            As it became known, the employees of the Bulgarian special services searched the workplaces and places of residence of customs officers at the Malko Tarnovo checkpoint.
            The Bulgarian Criminal Code for such crimes provides for a sentence of up to 6 years.
            The checkpoint was blocked for seven hours, which resulted in a multi-kilometer queue, writes Russian Bulgaria.
            After the end of the rally, the officers of the Polish Border Police intervened, the BNT television channel reported.
            1. pytar
              pytar 25 October 2017 20: 01 New
              +2
              Once you are so restless I will explain! Your info is based on a mistake made by the BNT correspondent! We are talking about the detention of 20 CUSTOMS, all day and night shift customs in Malo Tarnovo, on suspicion of corruption / bribes /! On the morning of the next day, they were all set free. No Poles from Frontex did not replace them! From the word at all! Employees in Frontex UTB Border guards! Frontex has nothing to do with the case. A mistake was made in the messages from the BNT, as the correspondent was not in the place of events and mixed up the concepts of “border guards” with “customs officers”! Subsequently, the BNT reports on its mistake.

              Initially Information per share, distributed from the BNT, says that you have to work on the point of singing from the side of Polsh, the co-worker in the country through the European border agency for frontier and coast guard - Frontex. The trace of the camp on Arnaudov’s camp is known to me as the wife of the arrest of the borderlands, and the mitts.

              You are quoting the site “Russian Bulgaria”. I read it often. But it is based almost 100% on other primary sources. BNT is a serious media, but sometimes it also makes blunders.

              The usual action, which is carried out very often by the Bulgarian special services among the customs! I do not remember eta the third or fourth was in a year. Indeed, these are areas with increased corruption risk.
              And here is your comment: Berkut24 "At first, the" allies "removed the Bulgarian customs officers, replacing them with their own, now they are patrolling the sky for them. These are they, freedom and independence under" democracy. "

              Feel the difference and relax! fellow
              1. Berkut24
                Berkut24 25 October 2017 21: 12 New
                0
                You all have one big mistake there. Therefore, in politics and in economics, now communicate with yourself.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 25 October 2017 21: 23 New
                  +2
                  Rub your glasses, wash your eyes and look in the mirrors when you talk about us. wink We will communicate with everyone who is friendly and positive. In 2018, the President, Vladimir Putin will come for an official visit in Bulgaria. Welcome to the President of the Russian Federation! hi
  25. bmv04636
    bmv04636 24 October 2017 21: 20 New
    +2
    The border with Turkey was given to guard other countries within the EU, as I believe the airspace was also given away. The question is, if at all a country like Bulgaria?
    1. alatanas
      alatanas 25 October 2017 16: 36 New
      +1
      You are sure?
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  27. Fedorov
    Fedorov 24 October 2017 21: 46 New
    +4
    Here’s the point, in my opinion, there were too many services for the ball
  28. sir_obs
    sir_obs 24 October 2017 22: 07 New
    0
    And I thought, because Ukrainians repaired them
  29. Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 24 October 2017 22: 13 New
    0
    Let them fly on phantoms ... they really want this ...
    1. polpot
      polpot 25 October 2017 01: 18 New
      0
      Yes, even on motorcycle hang gliders, only the name of the Russian count is not dishonored
      1. Maksim
        Maksim 26 October 2017 16: 23 New
        +1
        Do you propose replacing the name of Count Ignatiev? Feel free to contact SportLoto.
  30. stolz
    stolz 24 October 2017 22: 17 New
    +1
    Quote: Gado
    It is a fact that in the VO from the former socialist countries only we, the Bulgarians, are still here, though occasionally, we communicate in Russian in Russian, discussing this or that.

    It sounds very touching, but what's the use of this conversation? We express contempt and discontent of Bulgaria, but you make excuses and take offense at us. That's all, nothing constructive and promising is not even expected.
    1. Maksim
      Maksim 26 October 2017 16: 25 New
      +1
      Dear, you do not express your contempt and discontent. Some izvas orgasm their great Russian arrogance.
      And it is obvious that soon you will remain on your sites to lose your pride.
  31. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 24 October 2017 23: 27 New
    0
    LIKELY THEIR Migi have undergone those services from the Europeans. After that, this is no longer a car, but a bunch of scrap metal. And how, after all, are they going to gain experience in flying and controlling a combat vehicle? Probably on simulators! wassat
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  33. iouris
    iouris 25 October 2017 00: 24 New
    +1
    The Bulgarian border with Turkey is already guarded by the Poles. The state and society are degrading, despite membership in NATO and the EU.
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 25 October 2017 09: 42 New
      +6
      Quote: iouris
      The state and society are degrading, despite membership in NATO and the EU.

      And no one did not promise that the goods would be poured, or rather, they would be poured on those who are closer to the feeder. Nate / eu does not care about their well-being. Nate / us just interested in just making a buffer of them, unfortunately they also have access to the Black Sea.
    2. pytar
      pytar 25 October 2017 10: 18 New
      +2
      The external borders of the EU along the path of the movement of migrants are protected on a rotational basis. The reason for this decision lies not in the degradation of the state and society, but in the idea of ​​accumulating the experience of border guards in protecting the real border under the conditions of a migrant wave in those EU countries for which there is no such border due to geography.
  34. polpot
    polpot 25 October 2017 01: 16 New
    0
    Let the Germans write off the messershmites they will ask you look, they will give a couple
  35. Chuck
    Chuck 25 October 2017 02: 23 New
    +2
    Maybe they expect that Russia, as always, will do it EVERYTHING and FOR FREE? !!! "Brotherly." And after a couple of months, they will participate in the attack on the Russian Federation as part of NATO troops ... Bulgarians ALWAYS fought on the side of the Nazis and against Russia.
    1. Maksim
      Maksim 26 October 2017 16: 27 New
      +1
      Listen, Huck, let’s tell me where and when they fought on the side of the Nazis. Or is it not yet mature enough to read books?
      1. Zhivan
        Zhivan 27 October 2017 16: 59 New
        +1
        In Serbia, together with the Germans !!!
      2. CT-55_11-9009
        CT-55_11-9009 30 October 2017 17: 09 New
        0
        The occupation of part of Greece and Yugoslavia with the suppression of the partisan movement - come down?
  36. Mih1974
    Mih1974 25 October 2017 05: 08 New
    +1
    What a dirty juggle am ? The heading of the article is the head - the refusal to fly on the MiG-29, and after reading it turns out that the problem is the lack of preparation and maintenance without coordination on the model! negative
  37. Alexander Prikhodko
    Alexander Prikhodko 25 October 2017 05: 59 New
    +1
    Bulgaria is wide country - and Russia is the best
  38. _anatoly
    _anatoly 25 October 2017 07: 36 New
    0
    Somewhat pissing! And if in a real battle, can they also be killed there?
  39. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 25 October 2017 08: 35 New
    0
    What are the problems bros ??? Buy F-22, F-35 and fly ..........
  40. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 25 October 2017 11: 02 New
    +9
    Quote: Solomon Kane
    Bulgaria’s GDP in 2017 for the first time in history reached a record 50 billion euro.

    Oh! There is no comrade Stalin on you. He would have put you all on the "counter" ..... He wouldn’t buy airplanes, Sunny Beach has been repaid for debts

    1. What are the "records" of GDP and do not tell me any nonsense? In the first, in 1988, the GDP hit about 40 billion leva, and now they say that there will be 100 billion leva. The ratio of leva then and now in terms of real purchasing power is at least 5 to 1 in other words, from 1 lev 1988 you can buy more than 5 levs in 2017 or 40 billion GDP in 1988, which is more than 200 billion today's levs.
    In the second, where do your 50 billion euros go if 100 billion leva and nothing remains for the army and aviation? Remember which army beat 1988 and which now? Or maybe a bit of youth do not know?
    2. Comrade Kane, do not scare us with Comrade Stalin. During the time of Comrade Stalin, the Bulgarian army was the strongest and the aviation was the most powerful in the entire history of Bulgaria, and the economy grew at the fastest pace and prices decreased. So, from a friend of Stalin and the USSR, our NRB had an excellent relationship. Our relations deteriorated when there was no USSR, no comrade Stalin, no NRB and this is our common misfortune and common guilt.
    1. pytar
      pytar 25 October 2017 13: 43 New
      +2
      Kostadinov ... Learn the economy! 1988 Mr. Lion was an inconvertible piece of paper without any cover. Neither gold nor commodity. For that on paper pieces, not much could be bought. The shortage of goods was widespread. The concept of "real purchasing power" with 1988, and now incompatible. 50 billion euro, a considerable amount for a country like Bulgaria. I served in the Bulgarian National Army. Mechvod PTS. It is true that the Bulgarian army was then the strongest on the Balkans. But strong enemies were missing! Now the policy of Bulgaria is aimed at good neighborliness and cooperation with all countries on the Balkans. Our relations are the best with neighbors in history since 1878. Thanks to this, we managed to save money on other sectors of the economy. Of course, under capitalism, it steals ... Vesda it is. And in Russia too! It is impossible to close our eyes and on threats. For this, we must gradually restore the army. The resumption of discussions on updating the fleet is a step in that direction! And Stalin ... You obviously did not understand that he had long died. Estimates of his activities are different. In Russia itself, they have not figured it out yet. They argue heatedly and there is no definite answer.
    2. alatanas
      alatanas 25 October 2017 16: 42 New
      +2
      And at the end there appeared a "comrade" Gorbachev, who gave up the entire social camp for nothing to the west. And the "comrade" Yeltsin of the USSR - leaked, and drank the rest!
      1. coach colch
        coach colch 27 October 2017 11: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: alatanas
        And at the end there appeared a "comrade" Gorbachev, who gave up the entire social camp for nothing to the west. And the "comrade" Yeltsin of the USSR - leaked, and drank the rest!

        Here I am in agreement with the Bulgarians drinks
  41. assa67
    assa67 25 October 2017 13: 02 New
    +4
    Quote: pytar
    The external borders of the EU along the path of migrants are protected on a rotational basis

    rotate, rotate, gentlemen, Europeans .... soon from these "rotations" there will be no Bulgarians, no Poles, no others ... Uncle Sam is mixing you with his dick in the European club, and you are glad .. soon you will be on the rugs instead of MIGs for prayer fly hi
    1. pytar
      pytar 25 October 2017 13: 48 New
      +2
      I’m looking at your avatar for the Russian flag ... It would be more logical for you to ban for the "purity of the Russian nation" than for the Europeans. By the way, you are clearly not friends with geography, because Russia is the largest of the European countries. Did not know? laughing
      1. assa67
        assa67 25 October 2017 13: 58 New
        +5
        Russia is a Eurasian country, O great expert on geography ... this is so, by the way ...
        1. pytar
          pytar 25 October 2017 16: 12 New
          +2
          Here the keyword is EURO-Asian ... Or are Russians not a European people? How much percent of the population of the Russian Federation lives in the Urals and how much in the European part? You know? Oh, a great expert on geography, ethnography and anything else ... This is so, by the way ...
          1. assa67
            assa67 25 October 2017 16: 34 New
            +4
            oh! you know the word "ethnography" ... shocked ... as for the percentage ratio, it’s quite obvious - the population in the regions corresponds to the time of their development ... and I’ll also note, not a “flag”, as you are half-respected, deigned to express myself, and the "Flag" ....
            and it doesn’t hurt you to change to your native
            1. pytar
              pytar 25 October 2017 16: 53 New
              +2
              Your shock will become chronic in the course of the discovery of more and more secrets that you clearly do not know. But I am a good person and I have no regrets for you. laughing Let it be Flag! This is really more correct when it comes to the National Flag of the State! Here size does not matter. laughing You know ... I would be offended if I were called "half-respectable", a respectable person. You are not offended. You can calmly show the whole culture that you have been taught. laughing As for my Flag, as far as I am aware, it is automatically detected on the site and does not depend on the settings in the account. Maybe I'm wrong, I don’t know. But on the avatar my native flag. I did not know that not everyone saw him. Check it out. hi
              1. assa67
                assa67 25 October 2017 17: 11 New
                +4
                I see, I see ... claims to the site, really ... or contact the administrator ... otherwise it's a shame for the power, a great connoisseur of geography, ethnography ... and secrets about which we are not aware laughing ......
                Quote: pytar
                Let there be a flag! This is really more correct when it comes to the National Flag of the State

                and your sarcasm is not appropriate ... hi
                1. pytar
                  pytar 25 October 2017 20: 46 New
                  +2
                  Yes, I have no complaints about the site. I think I already managed the settings myself. And I personally do not have a complaint. Before your GREATNESS, mine is modestly modest. laughing Now you have surprised me too! It turns out you know the word "sarcasm"! Cool! I put a class! good
                  1. assa67
                    assa67 26 October 2017 12: 36 New
                    +3
                    thank you hi ... and the profile picture was put in order, the dialogue is paying off yes
  42. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 25 October 2017 13: 03 New
    0
    “Patrolling airspace in Bulgaria continues”

    maybe it’s worth adding: “Turkish bros”?
    1. pytar
      pytar 25 October 2017 13: 49 New
      +2
      It is now Turks you brother. Nothing that shot down your planes and a bunch of nasty things do you ... Salvage is more important ... After all? wink
      1. Maksim
        Maksim 26 October 2017 06: 56 New
        +1
        Friend Erdogan will not leave in trouble. Shakin from the USA and ditch another letaka.
  43. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 25 October 2017 13: 21 New
    0
    Quote: Fedorov
    too many all the services on the ball rendered

    but everyone should suddenly be ... still pay the "debts" of the USSR.
    It seems that all the friendship of peoples was based on principles: we fraternally have a military plane and rocket, oil, gas and gasoline at an internal price in the USSR of 4 kopeks per liter .... and in response to us a wagon of apricots at the price of gold bars.
    Or chemical equipment from the GDR at times inferior to the best Japanese models ... but at a price almost equal to Japanese. Brothers!
    I know what I'm writing.
    1. pytar
      pytar 25 October 2017 13: 57 New
      +2
      Exchange rates and, in general, the principle of evaluating the trade turnover between the CMEA countries, was determined by the older brother. Fact. As for the prices for the supply of military equipment, I recall one such episode! The 80 MiG-4R was based at the 25-tychna aerodrome in the town of Tolbuhin / northwestern Bulgaria /. They were the property of the Bulgarian Air Force. During the VET, someone forgot the rubber hose on the strip. When starting the engines in the parking lot, the hose was sucked into the turbine and the engine was damaged "incompatible with life." New engines from the USSR put on the price 2 500 000 of the left. Lada Kopeyka stood in Bulgaria at that time 6000 lv. The average salary was somewhere 160-180 BGN. Convinced of the guilty aircraft engineer went to suicide ... So, you obviously do not know what you are writing. wink
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    1. alatanas
      alatanas 25 October 2017 17: 05 New
      +1
      In harems, yes in Turkey, Russians predominate, yes Ukrainians, not Bulgarians.
  45. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 25 October 2017 14: 37 New
    +2
    Quote: pytar
    New engines from the USSR put on the price 2 500 000 of the left. Lada Kopeyka stood in Bulgaria at that time 6000 lv. The average salary was somewhere 160-180 BGN. Convinced of the guilty aircraft engineer went to suicide ... So, you obviously do not know what you are writing. wink

    I didn’t understand anything from your opus - in the elderberry garden, and in Kiev, uncle. Salary 160-180 lv? So what? In the USSR, an engineer received 120 rubles. And what is this talking about? About nothing. Blah - blah!
    Was a new airplane engine expensive? So the plane at that time was new in Russia, I think it cost no less.
    So I wrote that the Union delivered you everything at domestic prices. What is not true?
    Guilty Technician Suicide? So with us he would go to jail for such negligence. And under Stalin, such a pest would have been shot at all.
    Lada was expensive? So in the USSR, it cost 5500 rubles. Almost the same as yours. Also - delivery at an internal price in the USSR.
    You yourself do not know what you are writing. All blah - blah!
    And about chemical equipment: In Novgorod, the Japanese set up a huge new ammonia production workshop and proposed building a small argon production workshop nearby - the total price will only increase slightly. Ours refused and placed an order for the argon workshop in the GDR.
    As a result, the productivity of the German workshop was several times less, the equipment was unreliable, the automation was less ... but the price corresponded to the Japanese workshop. In addition, the Germans constantly frustrated all the launch dates ... If it were the Japanese, they would pay a forfeit. And with fraternal GDR - bribes are smooth ... fraternities, understand! I know what I'm writing.
    1. pytar
      pytar 25 October 2017 15: 01 New
      +2
      Well, we at "internal prices" kept the enemy farther from your borders! What is incomprehensible here? Mutually beneficial economic cooperation on non-market principles and the distribution of sectors for general defense. Bulgaria firmly held the defense on its site, removing the load from the SA. As for examples from chemical equipping, you obviously do not know anything about similar cases in other CMEA countries. In Bulgaria, the development of domestic aircraft industry was stopped, and in the automotive industry they closed extremely profitable cooperation with Renault, in the crawl of AZLK / Muscovites /. In fact, there are many such examples.
  46. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 25 October 2017 15: 00 New
    0
    Quote: pytar
    Convinced of the guilty aircraft engineer went to suicide ...

    and lastly, I don’t know what laws you have in Bulgaria, but, for example, in Germany, suicide aircraft that killed the latest and most expensive equipment because of negligence would not free this entire family from having to pay money for the damage caused.
    Children and grandchildren would pay damage to the state - to the last cent. There are such precedents!
    I know what I am writing. Unlike your sentimental water.
    1. Maksim
      Maksim 26 October 2017 06: 53 New
      +1
      Oh well, and even the cat paid?
      1. CT-55_11-9009
        CT-55_11-9009 30 October 2017 17: 13 New
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        Quote: Mac Sim
        Oh well, and even the cat paid?

        Yeah, mice.
  47. Thracian warrior
    Thracian warrior 25 October 2017 15: 14 New
    +3
    It’s better to be friends with Russia, as the Serbs do, since they have something new MiG-29


    When in 3-4 years the Serbian elite will drag Serbia into NATO, they will immediately deploy the “new MiG-29” children against Russia. Hehe! laughing
    1. pytar
      pytar 25 October 2017 16: 15 New
      +4
      And begin the "Serbs traitors", "bro-h-th" ... laughing
      1. alatanas
        alatanas 25 October 2017 17: 09 New
        +1
        No, not right. "brother traitors" - Serbs on MIGs sent against us ... laughing
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 25 October 2017 19: 26 New
          +7
          Listen, brothers Slavs, do you really think that here / ec your prosperous life is interesting? Look carefully: the infrastructure is developing to alert Nata about problems: radars, airplanes, communications - you can’t leave everything behind your back - the data has stopped coming in, so you need to pick up yours and look at both. All eastern Europe, like a herd, we catch ...
          1. pytar
            pytar 25 October 2017 21: 07 New
            +5
            Dear Pete Mitchell hi , no one amuses himself with illusions! If Bulgaria didn’t join NATO, they would slander it in 100 times worse than Yugoslavia! And Yeltsin Russia with a finger would not move! Abandoned and left to the mercy of strong days, we needed a break! Time to restore had to be won. The situation in the world is changing rapidly. Soon, relations between Russia and Bulgaria will begin to warm! Everything will return to its natural places! Do not pay attention to all of this Bulgarian-Phobic flurry, which pours through the Russian-language forums! The "warriors" of the information front paid by the State Department feel that they are losing influence! For this they’re so wild and throw dirt against all those whom I can’t keep in their greasy paws! Feet under them stagger! Time works for us ... and they understand very well! soldier
            1. p-evgeniy87
              p-evgeniy87 25 October 2017 22: 15 New
              0
              The Bulgars poked their entire independent cross across the Russian Empire, then the Soviet Union, then the Russian Federation. Why do we need Byzantine problems? They want to be with the Goths, and there they are dear. But this road is all in thorns, but not to the stars.
              1. Maksim
                Maksim 26 October 2017 06: 50 New
                +2
                Or maybe the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR, and now the Russian Federation, at its fifth point, organized an adventure in the Balkans.
              2. pytar
                pytar 26 October 2017 08: 56 New
                +3
                Yes, in general, stood across all who climbed uninvited to the Balkans! Either Arabs, then Vizatians, then Franks ... you will not count all. laughing Conclusion? Do not meddle where you are not called! wink
                1. CT-55_11-9009
                  CT-55_11-9009 30 October 2017 17: 18 New
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                  That’s how you’ve been lying under the Ottomans for three centuries, only occasionally rocking. Cool! Yes, and the Germans, I look, you hit on the teeth. And the Russians, too, they also climbed into the Balkans. And the Italians lulled (I mean - you, the Greeks somehow held them well, even went on the counteroffensive in 1940)? "All" some kind of election is obtained. Yes, have you beaten the British yet? They, too, turned their affairs there by far from peaceful means.
                  1. pytar
                    pytar 2 November 2017 12: 57 New
                    +2
                    Sorry, but you have complete confusion! Not 3 centuries, but whole 5 Ottoman slavery. 3 century UTB among Russians under the Tatar-Mongols. In 1912-13, we settled with the Turks. They still remember. Across Thrace, we collected abandoned Turkish banners. We gave the Germans the teeth at the end of WWII. The ratio of losses 2 / 1 in our crawl / 32 thousand killed and wounded Bulgarian soldiers against 78-82 thousand German /. A good result, as if not to look at it! And their collection was replenished with German banners. With the Italians did not meet., Although they walked along the Western Bocans a little. We had problems with the Russians in WWI, when they, due to a clear mistake, came to help our enemies. As a result, several Russian banners ended up in Bulgarian museums. We keep in storage, so as not to offend the brothers. The British and French / their captive banners also filled our museums / got so good that even after signing the Noi Treaty, they handed down hats to General Vazov and gave him "for honor". He is the brother of the great Bulgarian poet and classic Ivan Vazov, who wrote the best poetry of gratitude to Russia, which every Bulgarian now knows. Here is a situation ... bully
                    1. CT-55_11-9009
                      CT-55_11-9009 3 November 2017 08: 59 New
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                      Quote: pytar
                      Not 3 centuries, but 5 whole Ottoman slavery.

                      Sorry, I made a mistake, I forgot the history of the Balkans.
                      Quote: pytar
                      In 1912-13, we settled with the Turks. They still remember. Across Thrace, we collected abandoned Turkish banners.

                      This is not you (Bulgaria), but a union from Bulgaria, Serbia, Greece and Montenegro. After which, let me remind you once again, from their former allies, they pledged, attacking them first, by the way.
                      Quote: pytar
                      We gave the Germans the teeth at the end of WWII. The ratio of losses 2/1 in our crawl / 32 thousand killed and wounded Bulgarian soldiers against 78-82 thousand German /. A good result, as if not to look at it!

                      Well, yes, but the Soviet army just stood by, yeah ... So your troops fought along with the SA! And then, in 45, the Wehrmacht was already not that ... So the fact is far-fetched.
                      Quote: pytar
                      We had problems with the Russians in WWI, when they, due to a clear mistake, came to help our enemies.

                      By obvious mistake ??? CHEGOOO ??? That is, declaring war on the aggressor (Austria-Hungary) after promising to defend the country under attack (Serbia) - ERROR ??? Well, here you are already lying in full. By the way, a mistake could be considered the accession of Bulgaria to the Triple Alliance, if not for the pedigree of your ruler at that time ...
                      Quote: pytar
                      The British and French / their captive banners also filled our museums / got so good that even after signing the Noi Treaty, they handed down hats to General Vazov and gave him "for honor".

                      Only now the Neuilly Peace Treaty was not the most successful for you. And I did not speak about victories IN BATTLES, but about victories IN WARS.
                      1. pytar
                        pytar 3 November 2017 11: 01 New
                        +2
                        This is not you (Bulgaria), but a union from Bulgaria, Serbia, Greece and Montenegro. After which, let me remind you once again, from their former allies, they pledged, attacking them first, by the way.

                        Against the Bulgarian army, the Turks concentrated 80% of their army. The whole of Bulgaria in the union is about 50%. The main theater of operations in the PBB was Thrace. We reached 37 km. from Constantinople. And Bulgaria attacked the "first" on the former allies, because they entered into a criminal conspiracy and in violation of the union treaty occupied Macedonia. All military operations were conducted in the territory where the Bulgarian population was the majority. These territories were part of Bulgaria under the San Stefan Treaty between the Ottoman and Russian empires from 1878.

                        Well, yes, but the Soviet army just stood by, yeah ... So your troops fought along with the SA! And then, in 45, the Wehrmacht was already not that ... So the fact is far-fetched.

                        Who argues with this? And as a fact, it "contradicts" the fact that 360 soldiers and officers of the BGA were awarded Soviet orders, 120 thousand - the medal "For the victory over Germany in the Second World War" by the Commander-in-Chief of the 1-BGA, Gen. V. Stoychev took part in the Victory Parade on Red Square. Yes, take an interest in how many times in Moscow they saluted the BGA problems against the Wehrmacht! Surprise probably! Everything is in RuNet.
                        By obvious mistake ??? CHEGOOO ??? That is, declaring war on the aggressor (Austria-Hungary) after promising to defend the country under attack (Serbia) - ERROR ??? Well, here you are already lying in full. By the way, a mistake could be considered the accession of Bulgaria to the Triple Alliance, if not for the pedigree of your ruler at that time ...

                        You demonstrate amazing exclusivity of perceptions! "Yours are always right!" Typical mentality. Russia fought on the side of the worst enemies of the Slavs - the Anglo-Saxons. As a result of this war, their main rivals, Germany and Russia, were destructed for a long time. As for our participation, after the occupation of Serbia in Macedonia, where half of my relatives now live, there was no choice for us! You would not leave a third of your people under someone else's slavery, right? It is true that our dynasty was then German, but our people were in Macedonia! We are fighting the Serbs of the 12 century! Somehow I can’t imagine that someone could force the Bulgarians to fight for the Serbs, a year later after they occupied Macedonia, suppressed several uprisings of the local Bulgarian population and drove out tens of thousands of our sonarodniks from their homes.
                        Only now the Neuilly Peace Treaty was not the most successful for you. And I did not speak about victories IN BATTLES, but about victories IN WARS.

                        Bulgarian politicians nullified the victories of the Bulgarian army on the guard fields. Like the Russian rulers among other things. After all, Russia, which gave millions of lives, having fought for the interests of others, turned out to be defeated after the WWII. The fact is respected ST -... You can not argue with the facts. wink
            2. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 26 October 2017 06: 33 New
              +6
              Quote: pytar
              The situation in the world is changing rapidly. Soon, relations between Russia and Bulgaria will begin to warm! Time works for us ... and they understand very well! soldier

              Yours pytar words, to God’s ears.
              Only Americans also know how to play "long" and now they are preparing their support among young people, future politicians: they invite them to study, courses, etc., and then they will take someone "for Faberge", and he will not be the last person. They do this to all their relatives, the amers have no allies, they have only interests. You see, the "independence" of the countries of eastern Europe is adjusted by telephone. The West needs a buffer, they scared themselves and they need a buffer on land, in the air and at sea, and they do not care about you and your neighbors.
              I’m not at all upset if I am mistaken. And if Bulgaria manages to demonstrate the priority of its interests, I’ll even slivovitsy
        2. Maksim
          Maksim 26 October 2017 06: 51 New
          +2
          Yeah, and remember Tito, which lay under NATO laughing laughing
      2. p-evgeniy87
        p-evgeniy87 25 October 2017 22: 22 New
        0
        Well, the Serbs with the Bulgarians do not need to be compared. The Bulgarian king surrendered to Hitler in six seconds. And Yugoslavia fought for 6 months, pushing back the "Barbarossa plan." in 1944 the tsar surrendered Hitler and went over to the camp of the victors as the last Warsaw prostitute, there was a separate conversation about the “heroic” little girls, surrender the country after Pilsudski in 21 days, this is a perversion of the Piast.
        1. pytar
          pytar 26 October 2017 10: 45 New
          +4
          And Yugoslavia fought 6 months

          The Kingdom of Yugoslavia is defeated by the Wehrmacht in just 11 days! Operation Aufmarsch 25 continues from 6 to 17 on April. The Wehrmacht only loses the 151 killed, and the army of Yugoslavia, approx. 5000. 95% of those killed later hundreds of thousands of residents of Yugoslavia are victims within the Yugoslav battle. Partisans all against all.
          in 1944, the king surrendered Hitler and crossed into the camp of the winners ...

          Tsar Boris III dies on 28 on August 1943. Bulgaria begins military operations against Germany on 09.09.1944. Until the end of the war in the battles against the Germans and its allies, the Bulgarian army loses 32 thousands of soldiers. German losses in battles with the Bulgarians are estimated at 78-82 thousand. soldier, as well as a large number of military equipment. 360 soldiers and officers of the Bulgarian army were awarded Soviet orders, 120 of thousands of servicemen - with the medal "For the victory over Germany in the Great Patriotic War of 1941 — 1945." The commander of the 1-BGA, Gen. V. Stoychev took part in the Victory Parade on Red Square in 1945
          This is true, but what you write is fiction.
          1. Zhivan
            Zhivan 27 October 2017 00: 26 New
            0
            The last Bulgarian king Boris III full name, Boris Klemens Robert Marija Pius Ludvig Stanislaus Ksaver!
            The son of King Ferdinand, who denied him in his favor after the defeat of Bulgaria in the First World War!
            So German !!!
            1. pytar
              pytar 27 October 2017 09: 02 New
              +3
              Yes. you are right. Complementing Ferdinand - Ferdinand Maximilian Karl Leopold Maria von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha. The prince / s 1908 king / Bulgaria became the result of the backstage games of the "great" forces.
              Ferdinand is the son of Austrian general Prince August von Sachs-Coburg-Goth and Princess Clementine of Bourbon-Orleans, daughter of the last French king Louis Philippe. Sax-Coburg-Gott Dynasty. They don’t have a single gram of anything Bulgarian or Slavic. It and the Romanov dynasty in Russia are non-Russian. The same "aristocrats" damn it, determined the fate of the peoples of Europe in the meantime! sad
          2. FLOOD
            FLOOD 27 October 2017 08: 09 New
            0
            December 22, 1940 Germany raises the question of accession to the Tripartite Pact before Yugoslavia. At that time, it was already signed by Germany, Hungary, Romania, Slovakia and Bulgaria, dependent on Germany. Fearing open aggression by Germany in the event of refusal of accession, the Yugoslav leadership was looking for possible ways to “move away” from the proposed pact, but after long attempts to maneuver and look for other ways, Yugoslavia signed a protocol on accession to the pact on March 25, 1941.
            1. Zhivan
              Zhivan 28 October 2017 01: 28 New
              0
              Yes, and March 27, the great protest of the inhabitants of Serbia !!!
              And April 6, the bombing of Belgrade !!!
        2. alatanas
          alatanas 26 October 2017 10: 46 New
          +2
          In 1944, the king, close to a year, was "about the Bose departed." Read the story, young man!
        3. Maksim
          Maksim 26 October 2017 16: 31 New
          +2
          In fact, Yugoslavia fell apart after the first days of the battles.
          1. pytar
            pytar 27 October 2017 09: 16 New
            +3
            Yugoslavia "resisted" all 11 days. What does the fact that the Germans defeating a country with a population of almost 18 a million cost only 151 killed ...!? It all Belgrade surrendered to a few awesome German motorcyclists! Yugoslavia fell apart like a cardboard kula. The soldiers of the Yugoslav army of different nations massively deserted and did not want to fight for such a country. The Germans almost without exception let them in captivity at home. The struggle of the "Yugoslav people" during WWII consisted mainly of violent mutual extermination between these peoples on an ethnic and ideological principle. And the "perceived" communists of Tito, were by no means pro-Soviet or pro-Russian. They were pro-British, which led to a "special" path of development of "Yugoslav socialism" after the war. The story, by the way, was repeated with the collapse of Yugoslavia in the 90.
            1. CT-55_11-9009
              CT-55_11-9009 30 October 2017 17: 22 New
              0
              Quote: pytar
              Yugoslavia fell apart like a cardboard kula.

              Quote: pytar
              The soldiers of the Yugoslav army of different nations massively deserted and did not want to fight for such a country

              Quote: pytar
              The struggle of the "Yugoslav people" during WWII consisted mainly of violent mutual extermination between these peoples on an ethnic and ideological principle.


              And then the partisans from the NOUA for three years (if not four) could not be picked out by the Chetniks, nor the Ustashi, nor the Bulgarians (by the way), neither Italians nor Germans. Yes, no resistance ...
              1. pytar
                pytar 2 November 2017 13: 49 New
                +2
                Partisans NOAU, were one of many who were partisans at that time on the territory of Yugoslavia. True NOAU was the most numerous and efficient, but the fact remains. Everyone cut everyone. Repeated in 90.
                And when the partisans of Tito took power, this is how they “thanked” the Soviet Union:
                https://topwar.ru/103593-tito-i-nato.html
    2. p-evgeniy87
      p-evgeniy87 25 October 2017 22: 18 New
      0
      Well, if among the Serbs there are stupid people who, after the NATO bombing, say that NATO is the upper class, then this Serb will be quickly transferred to the Kosovo field and there they will bombard. To slander those who killed you is beyond measure.
      1. Zhivan
        Zhivan 27 October 2017 00: 33 New
        0
        Serbia is a colony!
        The power is not Serbian !!!
  48. Zubr
    Zubr 25 October 2017 15: 27 New
    +3
    Well, of course, they will be afraid of flying. Everything requires service. Here you sit on the car, you check the hubs, tires, etc. And then there is the MIG-29, it turns out there are wings .... didn’t you notice? smile
    1. pytar
      pytar 25 October 2017 20: 56 New
      +4
      Air show Sofia 2014 MiG-29 pilots commander of the Bulgarian Air Force Gen. Rumen Radev. He is an excellent pilot and is well versed in aviation. In 2016, he was elected President of the Republic of Bulgaria. good
  49. p-evgeniy87
    p-evgeniy87 25 October 2017 22: 12 New
    0
    And why are NATO MiGs in NATO? They are potential enemies, so you can not train. And then what's left .... Give am for training
    1. pytar
      pytar 26 October 2017 10: 54 New
      +3
      The MiGs they need or not, the Bulgarians will decide for themselves. Hardly need your advice. bully In essence, the largest number of Soviet aircraft is in the Polsha GDP. 32 MiG-29 / A, UB / and 18 Su-22 / M4K, UM3K /.
  50. Dart
    Dart 25 October 2017 22: 23 New
    0
    "..... In addition, the pilots actually lack the proper number of flying hours on these military aircraft."
    Who will say, then on which airplanes did the Bulgarians have the proper flying hours? )))))))))
    Bad dancer ....
    1. pytar
      pytar 26 October 2017 10: 59 New
      +3
      Says Command and Headquarters of the Bulgarian Air Force. bully MiG-29 from the Bulgarians from the first modifications. Engines are gluttonous. Yes, and as with an old car - since its support is more expensive.