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Bloomberg on the US overhead for servicing the F-35 fighter fleet

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The newest F-35 fighters from January to August could not fly 22% of the time due to the lack of necessary details, the United States will have to spend huge amounts of money on the maintenance and operation of aircraft, writes Bloomberg.




“On average, repair of aircraft parts takes 172 of the day, which is twice as much as expected under the F-35 production program, according to a government report. At the same time, the Pentagon is accelerating the production of aircraft, despite the fact that it has faced a significantly increased repair period and a 6-year delay in the maintenance of fighter aircraft, ”the newspaper newspaper article cites. Look.

The Pentagon also claims that "the high costs of developing and producing F-35 are taken under control" and the projected cost of the program is $ 406,5 billion. Nevertheless, experts believe that the official estimate is greatly underestimated because, according to their estimates, operation and maintenance will cost an extra $ 1,12 trillion. for 60-year service life of aircraft.

“Moreover, in connection with the release of new aircraft, the operation of the F-35 fleet will become even more difficult. F-35 program managers and representatives of Lockheed have taken steps to increase the availability of parts to avoid problems, but the Pentagon’s documentation indicates that challenges remain in this issue, ”the article says.

Recall that the F-35 has been repeatedly complained because of the high cost of the program and the numerous shortcomings of fighters, which turned out to be extremely difficult to eliminate. So, in September, it was reported that making changes to the aircraft ejection system did not rule out the risk of serious injury or death of pilots.
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  1. chidoryan
    chidoryan 24 October 2017 14: 48 New
    +2
    Some write that they are super expensive, others that their cost is somewhere slightly higher than the cost of the f-18 (and the maintenance of the fuel and light source). Really in the middle?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 24 October 2017 14: 53 New
      +1
      In money, the whole truth is brother. Money rules the world and the one who has more is right.
      1. Vladimir16
        Vladimir16 24 October 2017 14: 55 New
        17
        Great plane. Devours money in huge quantities. They will soon say that they introduced it to the mattresses from the Kremlin to destroy the budget of the mattress. wassat
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 24 October 2017 16: 28 New
          0
          it's hard to be a god.
          soar over the world and rule the world
          and financial god is also difficult.
          and it’s more difficult to be the top manager of all
          1. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad 25 October 2017 00: 53 New
            0
            I wonder what is difficult about this?
      2. chidoryan
        chidoryan 24 October 2017 14: 57 New
        0
        Money is a tool for those in power. It seems to me if you have a bunch of dibs and the brains that you buy for these dibs, it makes no sense to rivet something ineffective. Even for the sake of washing the dibs there is no point. You can also wash on suitable items.
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit 24 October 2017 16: 46 New
          0
          Quote: chidoryan
          Money is a tool for the powerful

          And the owners of American aerospace corporations, are included in the category of those in power? This and that, therefore, use this tool to earn even more money. Let me remind you, the main slogan of the capitalist: "Money must bring money."
      3. ydjin
        ydjin 24 October 2017 15: 52 New
        +3
        Quote: Wedmak
        In money, the whole truth is brother. Money rules the world and the one who has more is right.

        That's where the dough drank, our corrupt officials nervously smoke on the sidelines.
      4. Juborg
        Juborg 24 October 2017 16: 14 New
        +1
        This is evident in continuation of the statement of the Indian side (though not official!) That the joint Russian-Indian project FGFA is unpromising, and besides, it is very expensive to maintain. This is in the sense of expensive, which in fact is not yet available. laughing
    2. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 24 October 2017 14: 54 New
      +6
      Bloomberg on the US overhead for servicing the F-35 fighter fleet
      - What a cool! There would be more such expenditure programs so that the dollar would turn into waste paper.
      1. Orionvit
        Orionvit 24 October 2017 16: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        There would be more such expenditure programs so that the dollar would turn into waste paper.

        It's too early to rejoice. If you are not in the know, then the world dollar monetary system is designed so that American spending is paid by the whole world. Including Russia, placing hundreds of billions of dollars in Fed securities. So the states can afford to spend as much as they want, all the same for "our" expense.
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    4. ProkletyiPirat
      ProkletyiPirat 24 October 2017 14: 57 New
      +8
      Quote: chidoryan
      Really in the middle?

      Nope, as always, "the truth is somewhere nearby," it’s not immediately mentioned which type of f-35, it is not mentioned that the parts are waiting for a long time because they are going to build new aircraft, and not to the warehouses, in general, as always, everything is described in one picture :
    5. Orionvit
      Orionvit 24 October 2017 17: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: chidoryan
      other that their cost is somewhere slightly higher than the cost of f-18

      Buy cheaper, then pay extra for maintenance. This is similar to printers. The new one is sold at the price of replaceable cartridges. That is, take it cheaply, then go broke on consumables. lol
      1. stas
        stas 24 October 2017 23: 40 New
        +1
        Gentlemen, comrades, patriots and liberals, and other citizens, the article of bullshit does not need to believe everything that is written in the yellow press.
        The average repair of aircraft parts takes 172 days, this is not in aviation.
        There are routine maintenance, maintenance and flight preparation.
        The author of this fake knows the topic on the same yellow news.
        Jews would not buy such bad and expensive aircraft.
        Jews know how to spend money wisely.
        1. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 25 October 2017 00: 56 New
          +1
          Jews are people too! They also tend to make mistakes. smile
        2. Orionvit
          Orionvit 25 October 2017 08: 43 New
          +2
          Quote: stas
          Jews know how to spend money wisely.

          And the old woman is a slammer. Jews, although cunning, are not immune from mistakes.
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 24 October 2017 14: 49 New
    +2
    Anyway, a golden plane turns out ... somehow it does not pull on the role of a workhorse.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 24 October 2017 14: 53 New
      +1
      By the way. And how many have already been released? After all, at least a hundred. And they continue to build. The printing press allows ..
      Quote: The same Lech
      Anyway, a golden plane turns out ... somehow it does not pull on the role of a workhorse.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 24 October 2017 14: 58 New
        +1
        smile
        After all, at least hundreds. And they continue to build. The printing press allows ..

        Let them print ... The US military-industrial complex devours US resources without any measure ... will burst sooner or later from gluttony.
      2. just exp
        just exp 24 October 2017 15: 04 New
        +2
        already 2 hundreds have riveted too much, recently there was news that more loot would be required to bring these 2 hundreds to working condition.
      3. rocket757
        rocket757 24 October 2017 15: 04 New
        +4
        They created it as if in a crowd (they paid for sure), now they will buy, where will they go.
        It will be an effective flyer / fighter on the bill, it’s hard to say ... oh well, but pretty and expensive, besides.
      4. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 24 October 2017 19: 59 New
        0
        "By the way. And how many have already been released? After all, at least a hundred." ///

        About 300.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 24 October 2017 22: 27 New
          +4
          By the way, how many of them can not fight, but just fly normally ... according to their own Western data ??? Really one third?
          Well, these little things ... he's so advanced, wushi-pusi is glamorous !!!
          And if seriously considered, this plane will not soon become a full-fledged combat unit in the strategy of the aircraft where it was sold ... sold. If it becomes at all, because it’s expensive and the brains must not be broken.
          By the way, for the cunning ... wise Israelis, we can assume that this bird will fit into their Air Force faster and more organically ... for "pirate" raids, that’s it !!! until the "snares" around not instructed. But everything goes to that !!!
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 24 October 2017 22: 46 New
            +1


            "but just fly normally" ////

            In July, the total flight hours exceeded 100 thousand. Not a single disaster (pah, do not jinx) The world record for reliability for new models of fighters.
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              1. XXXIII
                XXXIII 25 October 2017 00: 05 New
                +3
                Quote: rocket757
                or sorry, it’s very big, golden x ......
                Israel has already sold it for spare parts, because after all it is possible to sell more expensive, whoever finds out, we have already passed invisible paint to us through Shoigu ........ lol China there seems to be establishing export of electronics to Israel, also bought something from f35 ..... laughing
              2. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 25 October 2017 00: 19 New
                +1
                "combat u-turn? and maneuver of evasion by how much does he do, respectively, the radius of the u-turn, etc. ...." ////

                He does all this no worse than the F-16, but something better. Bends, for example, make it cooler and more stable. Sharp braking from full speed to minimum, which the F-16 was not able to. Look at the reviews of Norwegian pilots who resettled with the F-16.
                The same restrictions have been lifted, which were the aircraft of the first blocks of software. Then they were surprised at the clumsiness of the F-35, but simply the software did not allow the pilot to exceed the restrictions.
                What he does not know how to give afterburner is more than 1.7 MAX. So he can’t work as an interceptor.
                1. sharp-lad
                  sharp-lad 25 October 2017 00: 59 New
                  +2
                  And detail? Joke! There is no full information in the access and there will not be forty years more.
  3. vorobey
    vorobey 24 October 2017 14: 50 New
    +8
    and what is there to discuss ... let them produce, let them sell ... there is money ... they can afford ... and the catapult is generally nafig ... why if it is invisible reliable and invulnerable ..
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 24 October 2017 15: 21 New
      +8
      How what? Eats a lot. wink
  4. askort154
    askort154 24 October 2017 14: 51 New
    0
    It looks like healed a peasant yes
  5. ZVO
    ZVO 24 October 2017 15: 13 New
    11
    It's all about spending transparency.
    Why do we not know anything about the cost of a flight hour of the Su-35, Su-30SM?
    But, whether we want it or not, but it can not be less than that of the F-15. Just because there are no fairy tales, that machines of the same class, size, combat level of development must be similar (almost to a clone) in the consumption of maintenance costs.
    What about pilots, what about BAO, what consumables and fuel. In everything.

    We do not have a machine, but we pay in the same way.
    With the same pilots flying, with the same level of technology and the cost of repairing it, with the same cost of fuel - the costs will be about the same.
    1. _Jack_
      _Jack_ 24 October 2017 15: 52 New
      +2
      But, whether we want it or not, but it can not be less than that of the F-15.

      It is not entirely true why the modern F-15 costs about $ 100 million, and the SU-35S costs about $ 35 million (2 billion rubles) for our army? Despite the fact that he is at least no worse, and for many character-kam better. For the same reasons, the cost of a flight hour is less.
      1. ZVO
        ZVO 24 October 2017 16: 59 New
        +4
        Quote: _Jack_

        It is not entirely true why the modern F-15 costs about $ 100 million, and the SU-35S costs about $ 35 million (2 billion rubles) for our army? Despite the fact that he is at least no worse, and for many character-kam better. For the same reasons, the cost of a flight hour is less.


        Now the Su-35S cannot cost 35 million.
        In the middle of the year 14, they wrote about him a little more than 1 billion rubles.
        Six months later, at the beginning of the 15th year - it already began to cost more than 2 billion.
        Why has it risen so sharply in price?
        Are they silent about him now?
        Metal has not risen in price? Fuel? Electricity? Is inflation not?

        We have all direct and indirect costs over the past 3-4 years increased by 30-40% ...
        Or is our pilot training cheaper?
        Do you want a fuel cost of 42000-45000 rubles? By state contracts.
        Provided that 2 years ago the price of TS-1 was about 30000 rubles ...
        Where does this growth come from? The dollar was already over 60.
        Now it’s less than 60, and the price has increased by more than 50% ...
        Americans buy jet fuel for $ 1,491840 per gallon. Which is about 513 dollars per ton. It turns out about 30 thousand rubles.
        could not be cheaper. If you can count what should be counted. not poke a finger at the sky
        1. _Jack_
          _Jack_ 24 October 2017 19: 23 New
          +3
          2bn rub. this is now $ 35 million
          "If you can count what needs to be counted. Instead of poking a finger at the sky"
          1. ZVO
            ZVO 24 October 2017 20: 23 New
            0
            Quote: _Jack_
            2bn rub. this is now $ 35 million
            "If you can count what needs to be counted. Instead of poking a finger at the sky"

            Since then, many resources have risen in price by 20-30-40 percent.
            Learn to think with your head ...
            1. _Jack_
              _Jack_ 24 October 2017 22: 23 New
              +3
              Well, if thinking with your head you found there objective information about the new price, share it, preferably with links to the source. If not, these are just your fantasies.
      2. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 25 October 2017 01: 01 New
        0
        With a worker’s salary of 30 rubles, it’s definitely cheaper.
    2. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 24 October 2017 15: 55 New
      +6
      Why is this so? Do you think that a fighter at an air base somewhere in the village of Gadyukino who drags cables to an airplane in a parking lot gets the same allowance as an American contractor in Alaska? And the same captain, an airplane technician, has a commensurate monetary allowance as an American in a similar position?
      And Russian jet fuel is as expensive as the American "jet fuel" ??? I’m not even talking about the cost of the air base itself, and even more so about the costs of toilet paper, chewing gum and beer in the refrigerator for pilots after flights.
      And so, yes, the cost of a flight hour is the same.
      1. Deck
        Deck 24 October 2017 16: 35 New
        0
        If you pay our pilots and technicians like blacks in Harlem, and instead of using toilet paper use the Red Star and Guard the Homeland, you can save a lot. wink
      2. ZVO
        ZVO 24 October 2017 17: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: Vlad.by

        And so, yes, the cost of a flight hour is the same.


        Salaries make up small shares.
        not particularly affecting.
        For when there is a state contract with a bunch of restrictions on the participants, there is always a sale at a prohibitive maximum.
        you don’t have accounts with special banks, you don’t have an FSB license, you don’t have additional restrictions - there will be no competition in supplies. Everything is bought to the maximum.
        The same computers that HF ​​buys are much more expensive than the same and exactly the same, simply because they are bought from the "right licensed company."
        The same cables are much more expensive than their Western counterparts, because the descriptions are clearly spelled out in the specifications for the specific cable brand and manufacturer. To find an analogue is difficult if at all possible. It is possible and the prices are extremely high.
        With foreign goods it’s even worse, because under a state contract - even if you find a complete Western analogue and you are allowed, then when you sell it you will be charged 15% of the cost of the entire contract.
        Or metal at us not at exchange prices, or fuel not world prices?
        About toilet paper, beer - you stop repeating heresy. There is nothing of this.
        If the pilots themselves take off, then not the army system.

        I will quote myself again.
        Do you want a fuel cost of 42000-45000 rubles? By state contracts.
        Provided that 2 years ago the price of TS-1 was about 30000 rubles ...
        Where does this growth come from? The dollar was already over 60.
        Now it’s less than 60, and the price has increased by more than 50% ...
        Americans buy jet fuel for $ 1,491840 per gallon. Which is about 513 dollars per ton. It turns out about 30 thousand rubles.
        I will not chew.
        If you want to find state contracts of the Russian Federation for the supply of jet fuel - you will find.
        Want to find the cost of a gallon of jet fuel in the United States - you will find.
        1. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 24 October 2017 17: 23 New
          +2
          Maybe give a reference to a place where you can buy JP54 or at least JP8 at $ 1,5 per gallon to buy?
          And you don’t want 4,5 bucks per gallon = about 1 dollar / liter
          1. ZVO
            ZVO 24 October 2017 17: 34 New
            +3
            Quote: Vlad.by
            Maybe give a reference to a place where you can buy JP54 or at least JP8 at $ 1,5 per gallon to buy?
            And you don’t want 4,5 bucks per gallon = about 1 dollar / liter


            On March 5, 2015, when the Brent oil price was more than $ 60 per barrel, the Pentagon concluded long-term contract until April 30, 2018 for the purchase of jet fuel for its military units in Eastern Europe.
            Conditions: $ 1,491840 per gallon. This is approximately 30,3 thousand rubles per ton (at the exchange rate of the ruble against the dollar as of March 5, 2015).

            reference
            "Federal contract opportunity SP060015Q0230 for petroleum ... reference price is $ 489.95 per per Metric Ton or $ 1.491840 per United States Gallon"
            https://govtribe.com/project/central-europe
            1. Vlad.by
              Vlad.by 25 October 2017 01: 53 New
              +3
              Well, with your permission, the price of kerosene for American parts in Eastern Europe is still twice that of the contract:
              https://news-front.info/2016/01/20/neft-ceny-ot-p
              entagona /
              This is the first thing that came to hand. Apparently you took your information from the first lines of the same bearded news, but didn’t bother to read further.
    3. askort154
      askort154 24 October 2017 16: 05 New
      +4
      ZVO .....With the same pilots flying, with the same level of technology and the cost of repairing it, with the same cost of fuel - the costs will be about the same.

      I suppose you need to dig deeper. The creation of an aircraft (tank, ship, etc.) begins with geologists, ore miners, steelmakers, machine operators, designers, designers, etc. up to technicians, pilots, dispatchers - entire industries are involved in the creation and maintenance of the aircraft. And now let’s compare the salaries of all these specialists with us and with us. So it turns out the difference in the cost of the aircraft and its maintenance. Something like this. hi
      1. ZVO
        ZVO 24 October 2017 17: 26 New
        +3
        Quote: askort154
        ZVO .....With the same pilots flying, with the same level of technology and the cost of repairing it, with the same cost of fuel - the costs will be about the same.

        I suppose you need to dig deeper. The creation of an aircraft (tank, ship, etc.) begins with geologists, ore miners, steelmakers, machine operators, designers, designers, etc. up to technicians, pilots, dispatchers - entire industries are involved in the creation and maintenance of the aircraft. And now let’s compare the salaries of all these specialists with us and with us. So it turns out the difference in the cost of the aircraft and its maintenance. Something like this. hi


        No need to dig deeper.
        Do not multiply super-dimensional entities.
        The salary of ordinary janitors or casters at the Sayan Aluminum Plant does not affect the selling price of aluminum.
        For there is such a thing as the exchange price for metal. Around which the selling price is formed.
        In addition, the ban on the use of imported material in the military commissar provides a guaranteed opportunity for manufacturers to raise their price - there is no competition.
        Or does Irkut buy electricity, diesel fuel for its cars - at half the price? not.
        Irkut buys Western machines at discount prices? Not.
        All suppliers of Irkut buy their materials, services at market prices. Accordingly, all aircraft components are already at market prices in Irkut.
        so why should Irkut collect it be cheaper?
        Or does the content of a huge social network in the form of PHOT, dispensaries, sanatoria - reduce the cost of production? Not.
        Or do you think that our steel mills are buying metal ingots, molybdenum rods. Manganese chromium nickel at discount prices? Not. They buy at world market prices. They have nowhere to go. They will not find cheaper. Electricity is the same for them as it is for everyone.
        Their social is huge as well.

        Where to be cheaper then?

        a little economy at the finger level and you will understand ...
      2. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 25 October 2017 19: 31 New
        +5
        Quote: askort154
        Why has it risen so sharply in price?

        still a huge American drank must not be forgotten !!! lol lol good
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 25 October 2017 19: 47 New
          0
          Net cut is a legitimate "LOBBY FINANCE".
          + CARTOONS “WHICH A COMFORTABLE CHAIR” AND A SHAMPOO FOR WASHING WINGS
    4. Orionvit
      Orionvit 24 October 2017 17: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: ZVO
      Just because fairy tales do not happen, that cars of the same class, size, combat level of development - must be similar

      Nothing like this. Even if you start with the fact that Western technology is not justifiably complex and therefore requires more investment in maintenance. The Russian (Soviet), always distinguished by its simplicity and reliability, starting with a machine gun and ending with aircraft.
    5. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 25 October 2017 19: 25 New
      +4
      Quote: ZVO
      Why do we not know anything about the cost of a flight hour of the Su-35, Su-30SM?
      But, whether we want it or not, but it can not be less than that of the F-15.

      what what what finally, our aircraft are serviced and receive components not in America !!! wassat wassat lol lol lol
      1. Gransasso
        Gransasso 25 October 2017 19: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: Nikolai Grek
        finally, our aircraft are serviced and receive components not in America !!!



        So what? ... Russia builds bridges cheaper than in America? .. or maybe stadiums are cheaper? ... or Olympics? ... or roads? ... here the salaries of ordinary people are definitely cheaper .. and the rest is not a fact ...
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 25 October 2017 20: 47 New
          +7
          Quote: Gransasso
          Quote: Nikolai Grek
          finally, our aircraft are serviced and receive components not in America !!!



          So what? ... Russia builds bridges cheaper than in America? .. or maybe stadiums are cheaper? ... or Olympics? ... or roads? ... here the salaries of ordinary people are definitely cheaper .. and the rest is not a fact ...

          The head of Rosavtodor, Roman Starovoit, said that over the past two years, the Federal Highway Agency has been able to reduce road construction costs in Russia by about 12%.
          According to him, the average cost per kilometer of the federal highway, the most widespread second technical category in Russia in single-lane terms, in 2016 amounted to 44 million rubles. Previously, it was estimated at 50 million rubles.
          “If we talk about road reconstruction, the cost of such work is now even lower for the second technical category of the route - 38,2 million rubles per kilometer,” he said in an interview with RNS.

          At the same time, Starovoit emphasized that the construction of routes in our country is much cheaper than in the USA, Germany and Canada.
          “When converted to rubles in the USA, a kilometer of the road costs about 127 million rubles, in Canada - 163 million rubles, in Germany - 81 million rubles,” he said.
          https://vz.ru/news/2017/3/6/860743.html

          are you seriously here with a smart expression on your face you want to push the tales that in america everything costs the same as in Russia ??? wassat wassat wassat
  6. Egorovich
    Egorovich 24 October 2017 15: 17 New
    +6
    I am very happy for the mattresses, and especially for their advanced F-35 aircraft and for all those who bought it or will buy it.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 24 October 2017 20: 05 New
      0
      Thanks for your kind words. The F-35 has the main drawback that they are few: the plant is not yet operating at full capacity - 12-14 per month (full 16-18 - in a year), and the line is long. You have to wait a long time for your planes.
      1. Egorovich
        Egorovich 24 October 2017 20: 17 New
        +7
        It’s not the long line, but they impose everything on everyone.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 24 October 2017 20: 54 New
          0
          "All in a row" can buy 6-8 models of the 4th generation, which is on the market. Including 3 American models. But who wants to buy obsolete?
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 24 October 2017 22: 37 New
        +3
        Yes, authoritatively said !!!! ... while this bird has only one income and eats what they have.
        The aircraft is not inscribed / not yet planned IN ONE STRATEGY, although not .... it’s already hit the computer. the plane is considered to have taken place when there is a place for it in the stand, so to speak ... that's when, then we’ll evaluate.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 24 October 2017 23: 06 New
          +1
          "The aircraft is not inscribed / it is not planned yet IN ONE STRATEGY," ///

          Each country will determine its tactics and strategy itself. Israel is interested in it as a stealth drummer, and in Norway, for example, as a fighter.
          The Americans conducted large-scale exercises with the F-35 and other types of aircraft - practiced interaction.
          That’s the trick of this aircraft, that it has much more “collective” and command capabilities than any 4th generation fighter or even F-22 5th fighter.
          It can control drones, be in the same information network with tanks and helicopters.
          The pilot almost does not engage in piloting: only weapons and communications in the network with other planes and ground forces.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 24 October 2017 23: 54 New
            +5
            I also respect fiction very much and I understand that the technology does not stand still ... but what did you bring as the outstanding advantages of this aircraft ??? Well, you can’t be so gullible or inspired for everything that the Yankees fantasized about there.
            For some reason then, the future, we will not argue ... in fact, the device is a lousy flyer, "raw", not working software, weakly armed, etc. by the list. Really can be used for pirate raids, against a weak enemy.
            And do not bring the Americans nonsense as evidence ... they need it ...... to sell !!!!
            Can later, the device will become smart, it will fly !!! but it will still be lousy to fly ... wait, see.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 25 October 2017 00: 25 New
              0
              Already combat pilots from 35 countries fly on the F-6. Nobody complained.
              On the contrary, those experts who vehemently criticized the plane about 5 years ago ... all gradually became silent. Now they "run into" more on the price, on spare parts, and not on the performance characteristics.
              So your opinion, of course, is curious, but ... not confirmed. smile
          2. rocket757
            rocket757 25 October 2017 00: 14 New
            +4
            By the way, the tactics of using an aircraft can be only one and everyone has a similar one ... typical, we can say for this aircraft model in accordance with its performance characteristics.
            He himself had the opportunity to make sure and explained to his wards that the UNIVERSAL is always inferior to the specialized in solving specific problems.
            So they can put their strategy in ... away, at least they have developed tactics acceptable for the “bird” !.
          3. antivirus
            antivirus 25 October 2017 07: 44 New
            +1
            + gave, everything is fine and the Russian language is identical
            I ask for a year - where will you run from the Arabs? or dying for their homeland in Palestine?
            prospects for relations with Arabs-- calm down or continue to slander the Jews?
      3. _Jack_
        _Jack_ 25 October 2017 20: 52 New
        0
        Your opinion about the F-35 can hardly be called objective. Judging by your comments, you are delighted with all American weapons, which in general is quite logical - Israel has long and firmly been sitting on American weapons, which it actually receives for free. In such a situation, it would be strange to speak about him is not flattering.
        But as opposed to statements like "F-35 useless gold iron" your opinion is just right. And the truth, apparently, is somewhere in between.
  7. Kent0001
    Kent0001 24 October 2017 15: 33 New
    +1
    Che, cool Pepelats, it’s easier and cheaper to cast them stupidly from gold.
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 24 October 2017 15: 45 New
    +4
    What a surprise!
    But let's see who and how many planes buy? Invested then many and more!
  9. bald
    bald 24 October 2017 16: 06 New
    0
    It turns out a little expensive and damp bird, but repair is generally even worse. But loyal NATO partners are not stingy. Israel, for example, plans to purchase 50 cars.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 24 October 2017 22: 40 New
      +4
      Do not worry about Israel, they didn’t make candy out of such a gooooo. Moreover, this bird will fit into their pirate tactics of warfare.
  10. Galleon
    Galleon 24 October 2017 17: 36 New
    +6
    Friends, understand: they don’t care how much it costs to service those planes - they have a printing press, and for the military-industrial complex - the US government-forming syndicate - the higher the cost, the better. All the troubles associated with printing money are paid off by issuing bonds, which the Chinese, Japanese, Saudis, Russians (and them ..) are happy to buy - and no problem! It can be argued that the Americans surround China with bases on Chinese money, and the $ 100 billion we invested goes to the tank division in Poland, the F-15 in the Baltic states, the Navy center in Izmail, etc. - you can continue for a long time: remember biological laboratories, anti-missiles, etc. Their cost and price absolutely does not soar. Neftedollar must burst, the rest will be blown away.
    1. Maratyurist
      Maratyurist 25 October 2017 11: 55 New
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      I agree completely ...
      1. Vlad.by
        Vlad.by 25 October 2017 13: 57 New
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        But somehow it's all dumb - hypothetically, Japan, China, Belgium and the Netherlands suddenly took and demanded to return from the States their acquired overwork.
        So what? I admit that the Fed will quickly draw another ten trillion green pieces of paper on the accounts and transfer them to the addressees. And nothing will happen in the global economy? And where, excuse me, will the addressees get these pieces of paper? What will they buy? at whom and, most importantly - at what price? I am NOT SURE that the States will even keep their domestic market, not to mention the external.
  11. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 24 October 2017 23: 44 New
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    Well, Fuckers with Martin “forge the iron while it's hot”, otherwise Trump will decide that it is unprofitable to maintain such a herd and cut back on finances. In the meantime, he is not in force - you have to hurry! laughing
  12. Maratyurist
    Maratyurist 25 October 2017 11: 53 New
    +1
    It began, Western technology is cool, they shout with screams in the West, our technology, we scream ... But the truth is, as always in the middle. World War II also showed that the truth was in the middle. The Germans had an excellent bf-109, but a long war showed that there were other good aircraft from the rivals ... the German army was invincible ... they just thought that the USSR was weak. How they were mistaken ... ours were also mistaken of course, what is the very beginning of the war. Why am I all this, gentlemen, the more complicated the technique, the higher the mean time between failures. What to do if the communication system failed during the flight and it doesn’t matter which plane ... somebody checked new planes during a long exhausting conflict, aerobatics are beautiful, but life presents surprises. In this sense, the general experience of the Great Patriotic War, Vietnam, and Korea has been devoid of all that is necessary to pay attention to, but the equipment was different, but the problems are the same: the endurance of the equipment, the terms for providing spare parts, and maintainability. What should I scratch my tongue when the technics is new ... It's like in that joke with Georgia about the best car in Samui ... the new best car.
    So dig deeper gentlemen. All the bells and whistles on the plane are great, new opportunities, only this is one side of the coin ...
    1. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 25 October 2017 13: 46 New
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      "... But then the little guy got into the amendment - Who does not work - does not eat, you confused, Dad! ..." (V. Vysotsky)
      This is the mean time between failures - the more complex the technology, the more it works LESS, but not longer laughing
  13. Berkut24
    Berkut24 25 October 2017 18: 39 New
    +1
    Flights of the newest F-35 fighter at the Luke air base in Arizona had to be suspended due to the large number of cases of malaise that pilots encountered in the air.
    Pilots reported tingling fingers and other symptoms that indicate hypoxia, reports Aviation Week.

    The incidents, which are described in the army documents as “physiological episodes” (FE), have sharply increased in recent months on F-35A aircraft (a modification for the US Air Force).

    In the period from 2006 to 2016, only 10 such cases were recorded, and the same number was recorded in 2017 alone. Five of these latest PVs occurred between May 2 and June 8 in Luke, which forced the Air Force to suspend F-35 flights at this base.
    But when the flights resumed, there were three more such cases, although in a milder form.

    PVs most often occur precisely with F-35A aircraft, rather than with machines of other modifications. From 2006 to 2017, pilots faced such ailments on fighter jets for the Air Force 20 times, on the F-35B (for the Marine Corps) four times and on the F-35C (for the Navy) five.

    After months of research, the F-35A team has not yet found the cause of the problem.
    Moreover, it is not yet clear whether it is a question of hypoxia - the absence of oxygen in the blood. Similar symptoms are common to other physiological conditions, such as hypercapnia (high levels of carbon dioxide in the blood, sometimes caused by hyperventilation), histotoxic hypoxia (the presence of toxin), decompression sickness, or even ordinary dehydration, lack of sleep, or nervousness.

    Recall that the F-35 program has been criticized many times because of the high cost and numerous shortcomings of aircraft. Among the problems were identified potentially dangerous to the life and health of pilots.
  14. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 25 October 2017 20: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: rocket757
    Do not worry about Israel, they didn’t make candy out of such a gooooo. Moreover, this bird will fit into their pirate tactics of warfare.

    Already fit in. Jews raided Syria until then. until one F-35 is knocked out, significant damage, the aircraft to be decommissioned. tongue laughing wassat
  15. chidoryan
    chidoryan 27 October 2017 08: 35 New
    +1
    By the way, for some reason, this resource did not have news about recent training battles in which the f-35 was tormented by the eurofighter if the memory does not fail with the score almost a million to one. Or according to locals, is it a duck too? But they write about idle helmets and tingling fingers with undisguised pleasure.
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 27 October 2017 18: 26 New
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      not a flyer
      and therefore-- The MAIN-indicator of the effectiveness of cap investments and the “result of the bird itself” is a training battle against the aviation of the Russian Federation and China (in Malaysia, in eastern Europe, NATO and Pakistan)