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US Ambassador: "Nord Stream-2" will cost Ukraine 3% of GDP

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American Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch commented on the plan to build the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline. Speaking at the Oil and gas 2017 conference, the US ambassador said that after the implementation of this project, Ukraine would annually lose “net” income in the amount of 2,7 billion dollars. This is about 3% of Ukraine’s GDP.


According to Yovanovych, this fact negates any growth in Ukrainian GDP, if it turns out to be below this percentage.

Recall that the agreement signed by Russia and Ukraine on the transit of gas to the EU and on the supply of gas to Ukraine itself expires in the 2019 year. If the contract is not renewed, Ukraine will indeed lose the status of a transit country, and the very possibility of receiving gas not by “reversing” with European margins, but directly from Russia.

US Ambassador: "Nord Stream-2" will cost Ukraine 3% of GDP


Marie Yovanovitch:
We are very aware of what will happen with Naftogaz. After all, the energy system of Ukraine is for your country a key component of the reforms. After the reforms, the Ukrainian market should become open to domestic and foreign investors.


This is a veiled allusion to the fact that foreign companies can simply buy the Ukrainian pipe. Will this have a positive effect on the economy of Ukraine? - a rhetorical question.
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  1. reservist
    reservist 24 October 2017 11: 42 New
    16
    Miller put on sanctions long and fat Nord Stream 2. laughing
    1. volodya
      volodya 24 October 2017 11: 46 New
      11
      And why only 3 percent? They will lose much more!
      1. The black
        The black 24 October 2017 11: 50 New
        16
        Indians' problems do not concern Russia smile
        1. dik-nsk
          dik-nsk 24 October 2017 11: 54 New
          +2
          After the reforms, the Ukrainian market should become open to domestic and foreign investors
          yeah, what will you let into the pipe? Euro-gas-gas?))
          1. volodya
            volodya 24 October 2017 12: 01 New
            +8
            Quote: dik-nsk
            After the reforms, the Ukrainian market should become open to domestic and foreign investors
            yeah, what will you let into the pipe? Euro-gas-gas?))

          2. 79807420129
            79807420129 24 October 2017 12: 07 New
            +6
            Quote: dik-nsk
            yeah, what will you let into the pipe? Euro-gas-gas?))

            So reverse gas is already being bought, Pencilwan coal too, and this gas will be launched into the pipe. fellow
            1. Monos
              Monos 24 October 2017 13: 46 New
              +8
              After the reforms, the Ukrainian market should become open to domestic and foreign investors.

              That is, as I understand it, these 2,7 billion dollars are being lost by American investors. Yes ... Sadness - they invested 5 billion into the Maidan, but in return they receive a shish.
          3. Shura Sailors
            Shura Sailors 24 October 2017 12: 15 New
            +5
            So the identity of desire. So I understand that after 2019 the Ukrainian GTS can be sold for scrap
            1. Evgeny RS
              Evgeny RS 25 October 2017 10: 31 New
              +1
              two gas pipelines - the Turkish stream and the power of Siberia on the way,
              most likely with a Ukrainian. the pipe will be too. what's wrong with the oil to the Baltic
      2. Thrall
        Thrall 24 October 2017 11: 51 New
        21
        What is the dog thing for SP-2 Ukraine and the states themselves?
        1. svp67
          svp67 24 October 2017 11: 57 New
          11
          Quote: Thrall
          What is the dog thing for SP-2 Ukraine and the states themselves?

          The most DIRECT. And it is the States. Since they want to oust Russia from the European market and replace our gas with their SG. Everything is aimed at this. Both the Maidan and the proposal of Ukraine to sell gas to Europe under the scheme, the Russian Federation - Ukraine - the EU, that is, Ukraine will already be able to "correct" the price ...
        2. Partyzan
          Partyzan 24 October 2017 12: 28 New
          +8
          Quote: Thrall
          What is the dog thing for SP-2 Ukraine and the states themselves?

          very big hi , the mattresses wanted to take this pipe - to have one more lever of pressure on Europe, and here flowIs it a shame? Yes laughing
      3. dik-nsk
        dik-nsk 24 October 2017 11: 51 New
        +3
        US Ambassador: Nord Stream-2 will cost Ukraine 3% of GDP
        interesting girls dance, these are your stepchildren - you pay .. burnt mattresses, they grow hydra near us here, they also want at our expense
      4. Kurare
        Kurare 24 October 2017 12: 55 New
        +5
        Quote: volodya
        And why only 3 percent?

        If Americans say 3%, you can safely multiply by 2! Given that, the Ukrainian economy has nothing more to catch, this means only one thing: full tryndets!
    2. The_lancet
      The_lancet 24 October 2017 11: 51 New
      0
      Nord Stream 2 will cost Ukraine 3% of GDP

      Why is it so worried about the Russians on the site? It's just informational garbage that the audience here like to absorb in large volumes. Site "Military review "
      1. Comrade Schucher
        Comrade Schucher 24 October 2017 12: 09 New
        17
        Quote: The_Lancet
        This is just informational garbage that the audience here like to absorb in large volumes. Military Review website

        Well, what are you actually saying, why are you harnessed to this topic?
        Ukrainian pipe, Russian gas - for Europeans ...
        Where are the mericos here? Is that such an American chip to climb everywhere?
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 24 October 2017 12: 39 New
          +5
          No, this is not an American chip. This chip is another nation.
          And something tells me that here it is.
      2. Alexander War
        Alexander War 24 October 2017 12: 12 New
        +4
        US Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Jovanovic commented on the construction plan for the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline branch. Speaking at the Oil and gas 2017 conference, the US ambassador announced that after the implementation of this project, Ukraine will annually lose a “net” income of $ 2,7 billion. This is approximately 3% of Ukraine’s GDP. Because -that Banderstan this money will not shine soon!
      3. 210ox
        210ox 24 October 2017 12: 20 New
        +6
        And why is this so interested in the American?
        Quote: The_Lancet
        Nord Stream 2 will cost Ukraine 3% of GDP

        Why is it so worried about the Russians on the site? It's just informational garbage that the audience here like to absorb in large volumes. Site "Military review "
      4. Andrey K
        Andrey K 24 October 2017 22: 33 New
        +8
        The_lancet
        ... Why is it so much worried about the Russians on the site? It's just informational garbage that the audience here like to absorb in large volumes. The Military Review site ...

        For one simple reason - the nation "Ukrainian" does not exist. It was invented by the Austrians, in the late XIX - early XX centuries. We are one people, one origin and one faith. It’s just that now a part of our people living in the so-called “Ukraine” was damaged by the head with the help of the State Department cookies ... You must have travannali them with these cookies. But this is temporary, intoxication will pass and uninvited overseas guests will be driven out by a filthy broom.
        That is why my friend, we are interested in what is happening with OUR, a mentally damaged, relative.
        We ourselves somehow, without your participation, will sort out a relative. Your government would be engaged in its own affairs, in its own home and would not go where it was not invited ... hi
    3. Shurik70
      Shurik70 24 October 2017 11: 52 New
      +5
      this fact crosses out any growth in Ukrainian GDP

      Well, to what Americans like to count other people's money.
      Ukraine is a country in a favorable climate, vast territories, has access to the sea, people of numerous technical design bureaus are still alive. In Soviet times, it had the highest level of GDP per capita. Ukraine is a country with great potential. If people do not rob, and parasites and thieves squeeze.
      But without defeating corruption, never gain any growth. At least let the entire cargo-energy flow of Europe transit through it.
      1. common man
        common man 24 October 2017 14: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: Shurik70
        But without defeating corruption, never gain any growth

        What are you saying? Corruption is the most powerful weapon of every ideological banderlog with a damned communist past. It is proved by ideological Lithuanians. And you say "defeat corruption." It is necessary to cherish it!
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 24 October 2017 11: 56 New
      +8
      3% is just a loss for transit. Theft of gas is not included in the GDP of the non-government, but prices from Europe will be higher. Well, and, as usual, the loss of thousands of jobs for pipe maintenance also means something, at least for a pension fund. hi
    5. 210ox
      210ox 24 October 2017 12: 18 New
      +2
      Oh well ?! And what about his recent statement about the fact that transit may remain under certain conditions .. What kind of bolt and where to put it will be told to him .. yes
      Quote: reservist
      Miller put on sanctions long and fat Nord Stream 2. laughing
    6. Vend
      Vend 24 October 2017 12: 38 New
      +2
      But who is to blame for you then? They themselves cut down the branch on which they sat. I think this pipe will try to foist Russia. Western investors will be afraid, because Gazprom may not extend the contract, but leave scrap for investors laughing
    7. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 24 October 2017 13: 42 New
      +3
      Apparently, 15 billion cubic meters will be driven through our former outskirts so that the region is enough to maintain and maintain the pipe, plus it is more convenient for some countries through the outskirts.
      But this will only happen if the banderlogs and omerzikosa stop dragging on, otherwise the "no brothers" will have to be driven much lower than the baseboard, and their hydraulic structures should be scraped!
  2. vorobey
    vorobey 24 October 2017 11: 43 New
    +5
    and who will need it if there is a northern stream 2 ...
    1. himRa
      himRa 24 October 2017 11: 46 New
      +4
      Quote: vorobey
      and who will need it if there is a northern stream 2 ...

      But the stranger question is, why are the Americans talking about this? Why .... for what purpose? am
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 24 October 2017 11: 52 New
        +5
        Quote: himRa
        Quote: vorobey
        and who will need it if there is a northern stream 2 ...

        But the stranger question is, why are the Americans talking about this? Why .... for what purpose? am


        look for someone profitable ... wink
        1. himRa
          himRa 24 October 2017 11: 58 New
          +2
          Quote: vorobey
          look for someone profitable ...

          Yes here kakbe without a hint:
          After the reforms, the Ukrainian market should become open to domestic and external investors.
      2. esaul
        esaul 24 October 2017 11: 53 New
        +4
        [I]This is a veiled hint that foreign companies can simply buy the Ukrainian pipe. Will this give a positive effect for the Ukrainian economy? [/i]

        = vorobey]and who will need it if there is a northern stream 2 ...

        But in vain, a colleague. It may be necessary and Western business has already voiced hints that there are people who want to buy. And, if this happens, then there is no reason to refuse because operators will be interested in the smooth operation of the GTS.
        Another thing is whether something will fall then Khokhlov. If it does, then the crumbs. And for the Russian Federation it will be advantageous to use all possible routes since There are opportunities to sell and gas demand is only increasing.
        It is important that the Khokhlov treasury will continue to lose weight, and Europe will inevitably (to a greater extent) support the Russian economy
        1. siberalt
          siberalt 24 October 2017 12: 37 New
          0
          What is the point of redeeming this pipe if there is no cashbox? Is it for scrap? But this and their "gavriki" there. laughing
      3. x.andvlad
        x.andvlad 24 October 2017 11: 53 New
        +2
        According to Yovanovych, this fact negates any growth in Ukrainian GDP, if it turns out to be below this percentage.
        And with the fact that the dough will need to be invested even more in the "black hole".
        And the new Marshall Plan for non-wintering, apparently, is not provided.
      4. antivirus
        antivirus 24 October 2017 11: 53 New
        +1
        the us will have the opportunity to invest 3-5 billion dollars in the outskirts every year.
        now Kiyev does not need a lot of money for all-round development.
        SOON, THE US WILL BE ABLE TO SHOW ITS GOOD ATTITUDE TO ALL DEMOCRATIC FORCES IN THE WORLD AND TO RESIST TOTAL MODES.
  3. NIKNN
    NIKNN 24 October 2017 11: 43 New
    +3
    And who is to blame? they themselves chose a promising European development path ..
    I go with closed eyes and a smile from ear to ear to meet future happiness through a rake field!
  4. Altona
    Altona 24 October 2017 11: 45 New
    +4
    We are very aware of what will happen with Naftogaz. After all, the energy system of Ukraine is for your country a key component of the reforms. After the reforms, the Ukrainian market should become open to domestic and foreign investors.
    -----------------------------------
    Shota "digital" and other economies do not work anywhere without an oil and gas needle. laughing hi
  5. Same lech
    Same lech 24 October 2017 11: 45 New
    +4
    Ukraine will annually lose a "net" income of $ 2,7 billion. This is approximately 3% of Ukraine’s GDP.


    This is just the free money that we pay now UKRAINE for doing nothing until 2019.

    Freeloaders ...
    1. novel66
      novel66 24 October 2017 12: 45 New
      +4
      why don't they do anything? they also dig gas, for the transportation of which we pay, there, shrinkage, utruska ...
  6. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 24 October 2017 11: 47 New
    +3
    To be or not to be, that is the question. What again I want to deceive and steal?
  7. japs
    japs 24 October 2017 11: 54 New
    +8
    ... "This is a veiled hint that foreign companies could simply buy the Ukrainian pipe." ...
    And why the hell to them, this app. to companies, a pipe without gas?
    Or will they let their own? So the pipe needs to be repaired before that.
    Those. money into the pipe?
    It’s not kosher ...
  8. turbris
    turbris 24 October 2017 11: 56 New
    +2
    I do not understand Gazprom’s timid statements about possible deliveries even after 1919. It is necessary to clearly and specifically state that the contract will not be extended and if Europe wants to receive gas, let it count only on flows, there will be no other options. Then there will be no one who wants to buy out the gas transmission system of Ukraine, otherwise there will be some kind of undercover games with our participation, and I don’t know if they will bring benefit to Russia.
    1. dauria
      dauria 24 October 2017 12: 26 New
      +2
      I do not understand Gazprom’s timid statements about possible deliveries even after 1919.


      Because Gazprom is almost a quarter American, the same German - Baturinsky and private. Rosimushchestvo is really 38%. What are you fed up with? We like private property inviolable. Ah, Gazprom is in the public domain laughing Do you believe all the ads?
      1. NKT
        NKT 24 October 2017 13: 01 New
        +2
        50.2% of the state.
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    2. NKT
      NKT 24 October 2017 12: 59 New
      +1
      Because there are not enough volumes of the Nord Stream 1 and 2. For this, the South Stream was planned.
  9. T_T
    T_T 24 October 2017 11: 57 New
    +6
    Americans want Russia to pay for life in Ukraine, before and after the Maidan. Just a business. Russia this year on the second or third place in the investment in Ukraine. We help Ukraine to grow up a new state that will hate us? After all, the generation is leaving, which the USSR remembers and so on. Or such a tricky move by our government?
  10. Altona
    Altona 24 October 2017 11: 59 New
    +2
    Quote: turbris
    I do not understand Gazprom’s timid statements about possible deliveries even after 1919.

    -----------------------------------
    Eka you waved, my friend. Forward, in the past? In the very crucible of the civil war. laughing hi
    1. himRa
      himRa 24 October 2017 12: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      Quote: turbris
      I do not understand Gazprom’s timid statements about possible deliveries even after 1919.

      -----------------------------------
      Eka you waved, my friend. Forward, in the past? In the very crucible of the civil war. laughing hi

      Well then .... plus minus a hundred years .... think about it!
      A movie back into the future, although I liked you laughing
    2. turbris
      turbris 24 October 2017 17: 15 New
      +1
      Haha I apologize, I got carried away, of course, after 2019.
  11. Altona
    Altona 24 October 2017 12: 01 New
    +1
    Quote: japs
    "This is a veiled hint that foreign companies could simply buy the Ukrainian pipe." ...
    And why the hell to them, this app. to companies, a pipe without gas?

    -----------------------------
    The "Turkish stream" so far seems to be running smoothly, and the "SP-2" too. In addition, there are Opal and "SP-1" underloaded.
  12. aszzz888
    aszzz888 24 October 2017 12: 02 New
    0
    We are very following for what will happen to Naftogaz. Indeed, the energy system of Ukraine is a key component of reforms for your country

    ... yeah, to vparivat his own, Merikatosovsky liquefied, at very good prices for his beloved ones ...
  13. Kerensky
    Kerensky 24 October 2017 12: 04 New
    +1
    The next move to the castle. Foreigners can buy a pipe and ...... cut it, it's their pipe. But Ukraine will not be able to create the GTS again. Then, as you wish, agree with Gazprom, the answer will be one: "Do you have a pipe?" ...
  14. Victor-M
    Victor-M 24 October 2017 12: 06 New
    +2
    American Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch commented on the plan to build the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline. Speaking at the Oil and gas 2017 conference, the US ambassador said that after the implementation of this project, Ukraine would annually lose “net” income in the amount of 2,7 billion dollars. This is about 3% of Ukraine’s GDP.
    Recall that the agreement signed by Russia and Ukraine on gas transit to the EU and on gas supplies to Ukraine itself expires in 2019. If the agreement is not renewed, then Ukraine really loses the status of a transit country, and the very opportunity to receive gas is not a “reverse” with European margins,

    Nothing, American friends will help with gas and transit, will deliver liquefied gas through the Black Sea through the port of Odessa, and Ukraine, in turn, will transit liquefied gas cylinders through its territory to Western Europe, they will not get used to freezing ears of evil grandmother.
  15. Sasha_Sar
    Sasha_Sar 24 October 2017 12: 13 New
    +2
    Let them jump higher to make it warmer. Yes, and the tires burn, they have a lot of them, for a long time enough.
  16. 7 poplar
    7 poplar 24 October 2017 12: 13 New
    +1
    and how much can you feed these parasites-saloids ???
  17. captain
    captain 24 October 2017 12: 13 New
    +1
    By 2019 Euro-Ukrainians or the pipe will be given to the EU or reconciled with Russian arbiters of fate.
  18. Alexander War
    Alexander War 24 October 2017 12: 17 New
    +4
    If you have questions about the causes of the events on the Maidan and the current war in the Donbass, one of the most obvious motives is the US geopolitics, which seek to cut off Ukraine from Russia (see the "Great Chess" board of Zbigniew Brzezinski) and bring it even closer to its borders, NATO soldiers and missiles.

    Rothschild SpA won the tender for the privatization of the Ukrainian gas transportation system, providing the conditions for establishing control over the largest gas hub in Europe. This was reported in the press service of NAK Naftogaz Ukrainy.

    Rothschild SpA was announced the winner of the auction for the purchase of investment banking services related to the provision of separation of natural gas transportation activities (“unbundling”), including attracting a qualified partner to manage the gas transportation system of Ukraine, ”it was informed.

    As noted, the companies Lazard Freres and Rothschild SpA took part in the auction. Following the auction, the tender proposal Rothschild SpA with a service price of 98,0 million UAH was won. The expected purchase price amounted to 193,3 million UAH.

    It is about the implementation in Ukraine of the rules of the third energy package of the European Union, in which the functions of managing the GTS and transporting fuel should be divided. In Ukraine, these functions are monopolized by Naftogaz with the sole amendment to the fact that the management of the gas transmission network has been transferred to the subsidiary Ukrtransgaz.

    In the concept of the third energy package, the separation of the gas transmission system in Ukraine means that the latter will open up to competition. It is here that the Rothschilds will act as an “investment bank”. His role will be to advise Naftogaz how to choose the best company for the resale of shares in the gas transmission system.

    The Ukrainian gas hub will no longer belong to the Ukrainian state, but to one or more private companies, and ultimately will be transferred to Rothschild investors and banks.

    Be that as it may, behind this geopolitics that meets American plans, there are obvious supranational financial interests. Many companies did not take their eyes off Ukraine long before the Maidan and even more so after it.

    This applies, for example, to Monsanto, which wants to cheaply buy back Ukrainian agricultural land in order to start growing its GMOs on chernozem (these fertile soils at one time formed the breadbasket of the USSR). In addition, this applies to enterprises producing shale gas (some of the fields under consideration are located in the Donbass) and those companies that want to buy Ukrainian plants for pennies after the collapse of national industry as a result of a breakdown in relations with Russia. In other words, there is no shortage of people who want to cash in on the Ukrainian people. And they do not care that he eventually vegetates in poverty and civil war.

    To these incomplete financial goals (food and energy have an obvious geopolitical component), one more should be added, which is of great importance from the point of view of geopolitics and finance: we are talking about the gas transmission system. The fact is that Ukraine is a central hub in the supply of Russian gas to Europe.

    By the way, it is this key role in the supply of gas so much needed by Europe (Russia provides almost a third of all European consumption) and the repeated conflicts of Kiev and Moscow after the first Maidan in 2004 constitute a threat to the supply of the continent. Merkel and Hollande so actively pushed for the signing of the Minsk Agreements not for the sake of Poroshenko’s beautiful eyes. The fact is that Germany saw the risk of a complete collapse of Ukraine and, along with it, the supply of Russian gas.

    In addition, it is for this reason that Germany insists on the construction of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline, which will allow it to continue to directly receive gas from Russia, bypassing the problematic transport hub, which Ukraine today is.
    Ukraine is blackmailing Europe because it keeps its hand on the valve and can cut off supplies to the EU or take part of them for its own needs (it is worth recalling that Kiev stole up to 15% of the gas destined for Europe during the gas conflict during the first Maidan, that is, the Orange Revolution) . It is precisely with this that the hysterical reaction of Kiev to the Turkish Stream and Nord Stream-2 projects is connected, which may deprive it of the ability to interfere, that is, a geopolitical influence.

    In such circumstances, the full significance of the news published by Interfax on October 13 that the Rothschild Bank of Milan won a tender for the provision of services to Naftogaz to decentralize gas transportation activities and to find partners for managing the Ukrainian gas transportation system becomes more understandable.

    The amount of the contract with Rothschild Bank is 98 million hryvnias (3,15 million euros), while the total cost of the work is estimated at 193,3 million hryvnias (6,213 million euros), as follows from the tender data indicated on the ProZorro website.

    If all this seems somewhat vague to you, I will explain what the consequences of this contract promise.

    First, let's see what is meant by decentralization? It is worth noting that the state-owned company Naftogaz manages the entire gas industry, as well as the oil sector, from production to transportation and sales. The gas transmission system, in turn, is engaged in Ukrtransgaz (wholly owned by Naftogaz and, therefore, the Ukrainian state).

    In other words, in the current conditions, Naftogaz controls through Ukrtransgaz all gas pipelines in the country. Incidentally, it is Naftogaz that pays Gazprom for gas supplied to Ukraine. Bills not paid by the company caused gas conflicts between the two countries.
    So what is changing the current tender? Decentralization of the Ukrainian gas transmission system means that it will become open to competition. In other words, state-owned gas pipelines will be sold (at first partially, but subsequently very definitely completely) to private companies.
    This is where Rothschild acts as an “investment bank”. He will advise Naftogaz in the selection of the most suitable companies for the sale of shares in the Ukrainian gas transportation system belonging to the Ukrainian company, that is, it should ensure the most profitable privatization of state property.

    The idea is that as a result, the Ukrainian gas hub will no longer belong to the state, but to private enterprises and, therefore, investors and banks like Rothschild, which clearly does not hesitate to present in the most favorable light financed (through loans, shares and bonds) or consulted by him enterprises themselves in order to derive maximum benefit for themselves.

    As a result, the gas valve will be in the hands of not the Ukrainian state, but private enterprises and banks, including the Rothschild bank (its past in the form of bloody investments from the XNUMXth century can be easily tracked on networks like Investopedia or Telegraph).

    Ukraine will be divided and sold in pieces on the market to the advantage of financiers. In addition, given the geopolitical, strategic, and financial significance of the Ukrainian gas transportation hub, it’s scary to see banks with such a bloody liability like Rothschild laying hands on it.

    It is worth remembering that most of the wars in the world over the past decades (this applies to those that are still being prepared) are fought primarily for natural resources (oil, gas, precious metals), and that these conflicts are very cost-effective for those who invested in them means. Some families like the Rothschilds made huge fortunes on the blood and death of soldiers who believed they were defending their homeland, although they only helped others get rich.
  19. Egorovich
    Egorovich 24 October 2017 12: 28 New
    +6
    And Russia is here from what side, take it (the EU and the Mattresses) and make up for all the losses of Khokhloshtat in full. And it will be good for all. Only you are unlikely to make fork out.
  20. notingem
    notingem 24 October 2017 12: 28 New
    +2
    If the US is worried, let them give money or gas to Ukraine for nothing. If they don’t give it, then they don’t give a damn.
  21. Nemesis
    Nemesis 24 October 2017 12: 28 New
    +3
    Russia must stop all transit through Ukraine, including because Kiev constantly steals oil and gas, and the EU does not want to pay for oil and gas supplies from the Russian Federation on meters on the border of the Russian Federation with Ukraine ....
  22. Vard
    Vard 24 October 2017 12: 34 New
    0
    This should be understood as follows ... Despite the fact that Ukraine is spoiling Russia with all its might ... Depriving its income from transportation ... and the possibility of stealing gas ... is not good ...
  23. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 24 October 2017 12: 37 New
    +6
    Nord Stream 2 will cost Ukraine 3% of GDP
    Well, of course, this issue very much worries everyone who threw money into Ukraine.
    Without GDP growth, 404 stupidly will not be able to pay interest on a loan, which, in fact, live on moneylenders of an international scale.
    So their concern is understandable ...
  24. grandfather Mih
    grandfather Mih 24 October 2017 12: 46 New
    +2
    Quote: Thrall
    What is the dog thing for SP-2 Ukraine and the states themselves?

    And mourn the "world public"? World melancholy (grief) in the eyes, like a “puppy howl”, as well as other preferences, like a mock? Not the porch, of course, but what if he "pecks"? Macron there, Merkelyukha and others like them. "Victim" and howl, and how to serve, and with what sauce. Mafia. And suddenly a bummer. Interesting.
  25. anjey
    anjey 24 October 2017 12: 50 New
    +2
    Krainsky and Amersky debts on any "Nord Stream" to be! Russia is not a plasticine bear, where it will be pressed and bent, but a wild, strong and wayward bear (I want to believe everyone, of course, and discard all financial bloodsuckers and ticks) !!!!
  26. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 24 October 2017 13: 05 New
    +1
    Quote: siberalt
    What is the point of redeeming this pipe if there is no cashbox? Is it for scrap? But this and their "gavriki" there. laughing

    Change scrap metal for coal! These can!
  27. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 24 October 2017 13: 10 New
    +2
    Quote: CAT BAYUN
    Nord Stream 2 will cost Ukraine 3% of GDP
    Well, of course, this issue very much worries everyone who threw money into Ukraine.
    Without GDP growth, 404 stupidly will not be able to pay interest on a loan, which, in fact, live on moneylenders of an international scale.
    So their concern is understandable ...

    "... Without GDP growth, 404 stupidly will not be able to pay interest on the loan, which, in fact, live on moneylenders of an international scale ..."
    So this is their goal!
    "... So their concern is understandable ..."
    Yes, they have no worries, everything is going according to plan!
    This ... head with eyes just voiced the obvious, I must say later, but we warned !!!
  28. Bronevick
    Bronevick 24 October 2017 13: 14 New
    +2
    But to us, what's the difference? We also lost a lot because of the galloping maidan.
  29. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 24 October 2017 13: 48 New
    +2
    And what do we need for their GDP ??? For what they fought - they ran into it .......... "We are very watching what will happen to Naftogaz. And we did not doubt ..... you are following. Well, nothing will happen until 2019 years, and there either the donkey will die, or the padish .....
  30. BMP-2
    BMP-2 24 October 2017 14: 18 New
    +3
    Ukrainian GDP? belay It's just some kind of oxymoron! It's like "Russian Poroshenko"! laughing
  31. Sergey53
    Sergey53 24 October 2017 15: 49 New
    +1
    That's great. And then they are used to living on Russian money and crap on it at the same time.
  32. APASUS
    APASUS 24 October 2017 19: 12 New
    +2
    This is a veiled hint that foreign companies can simply buy the Ukrainian pipe. Will this give a positive effect for the Ukrainian economy? -

    The hint in this material is in a completely different direction. After a 3% drop in GDP, the budget does not decrease automatically. Money needs to be taken somewhere, but the United States does not want to give it. The system that Yulka organized was very affordable.
    Russia sold gas at a discount, but for the population gas was at a full price, and with the money they earned, they fought with Russia!
    1. Ugolek
      Ugolek 24 October 2017 19: 24 New
      +1
      - doctor: did the dead man sweat before death?
      sweating.
      - very good, very good.
  33. LeonidL
    LeonidL 24 October 2017 20: 21 New
    +1
    Yes, at least 100% - who cares? Business is business!