A Russian contract soldier shot a colleague in Armenia. Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation: involuntarily

The tragic incident occurred on the eve of the Russian military base in Armenia. Information agencies reported that a soldier of the contract service of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation shot one of his colleagues at the test site, after which he committed suicide. It is alleged that a shot at a colleague turned out to be accidental.

From the message that is given RIA News:

October 23 at the site Alagyaz (Armenia), upon delivery weapons after the training, the contract serviceman grossly violated security requirements and involuntarily fired a machine gun, mortally wounding another soldier under the contract. Frightened by the offense and responsibility for the death of a colleague, the gunman shot the gunman.

The commission of the Southern Military District of the Russian Federation proceeded to investigate all the circumstances of the incident.

Both of the dead servicemen were in the personnel of the 102 base of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, stationed in the Armenian city of Gyumri.

In a press release from the main defense department of the Russian Federation, the names of the Russian servicemen who died in Alagyaz are not named.

Comments

[siberalt]

Everything happens in life. Sorry guys!

[Finches]

What is a contract army, what is urgent ... Conscripts are even more responsible and manageable ... however such tragedies, unfortunately, always happened in the army and most often because of the negligence of command personnel! I remember in '93 in the guard, we didn’t carry out the process of discharging the machine as it should be, after returning from the post the distributor was too lazy, the head of the guard, the lieutenant, slept and did not go out, as the discharge instructions required ... One boy decided to take a picture for memory with a machine gun - as if taking aim, another shot him! He was photographed by pressing the trigger and a bird flew out ... Not specifically, but you will not return a person! There is an iron rule - you should NEVER point your weapon at people and towards people!

[The black]

Quote: Finches

What is a contract army, what is urgent ... Conscripts are even more responsible and manageable

Oh oh .... you are very mistaken ... although conscripts are now not as "violent" as before. The reason is that many people go on an urgent basis in order to further sign a contract, plus a service life of 1 year ....

[Finches]

I have been serving in the army for 25 years and am still mistaken ...

[klaus16]

Clearly an involuntary shot. We had it too. But why the hell to shoot? Well, conscripts, I admit, but this must be a fighter one rank higher! Contractor, damn it! Where are all kinds of selection commissions?

[kirgiz58]

Quote: klaus16

Clearly an involuntary shot.

What an involuntary shot ?! 100% violation of safety requirements when handling weapons. Involuntary - this is on guard, the machine in the machine, and the bullet in the bullet catcher. And here! Why is the cartridge in the barrel? After firing, the weapon is discharged and reported about it under the supervision of "the first firing is finished, the weapon is unloaded!", The bolt is in the extreme rear position, the store at the fore-end with the receiving window up. During exercises with live firing, the same procedure, but to its platoon at the turn of the ceasefire. They didn’t play enough with cowboys, with the full connivance of the commanders (they didn’t drive into Bosko that even the AK model should not be sent to a person).

[klaus16]

I think you should not describe this process, and so many people know it very well. Call this shot in different ways. The bottom line is that the fighter did not want to kill intentionally.

[Nadezhda Kruglova]

My beloved only son was killed at this site Alagyaz damned and his best friend. The son has served and has been awarded letters and awards for several years. And on this day the boys didn’t receive weapons, they were on hand. From where the machine gun came from and whose secret it is covered in darkness The wounds on the body were different, not like myself, but as if they were shooting at a son with a plant. Our colleagues wrote to us that they were looking for the truth that the boys had not just died. The commander called me crying and apologized.

[NIKNN]

Quote: klaus16

Clearly an involuntary shot.

It is so beautifully phrased. I think "unintentional murder" is suitable here ... A weapon is not a stick that shoots once in a lifetime, it requires discipline in the first place, and it seems to me that we just decided to play with weapons, the result ...

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Finches

What a contract army, what an urgent ...

And for an old woman, there is a bummer ... As long as there is an army with a firearm, such cases have been, are and will be, unfortunately .... The soldiers are sorry, condolences to relatives.

[Fedorov]

But what kind of misfortune? In my time, we were "hammered" with safety requirements from the 8th grade. We don’t point a gun at a person, I pulled the shutter, went up (without a magazine, respectively), a fuse .. well, so on. When he even studied at the shooting range, three cartridges were given to Makar, away from sin, they were worried about young people, although they were already firing bullets, and there were “their” cartridges. At the exercises, the truth was fired from the Kalash on the hare - that was "gross negligence", when suddenly a drunk wandered in the bushes - he was lying around.
And this is a contractor, so the time has passed, the professional damn ... with an unstable psyche. All this is sad. Or they lie to us, there was another reason, but still Very bad.

[Nadezhda Kruglova]

My beloved only son and his best friend died. The term of the son went on military service well and the first contract also has good letters and awards. And what happened there is really all hidden. On the day, not my son nor his friend did not receive weapons, they were times sensors. The commander called his son and cried and asked for forgiveness from me.

[Herculesic]

What kind of contractor is it in the swamp? ?? In my time, officers were expelled from the army from the army for such a thing, or even squeezed! !! It’s a pity the one who was shot, and the second one, who violated the charter, made the second mistake, and now many will lose their epaulets, ranks, and posts.

[assa67]

Quote: siberalt

Sorry guys!

yes, it’s a pity ..... but don’t find that often the 102nd according to the reports goes: they ran away, then they shot .... local special officers have something to think about

[serenja]

Maybe it's time to raise the draft age? 18 years in a modern urban society, it’s the same as 13-15 half a century ago. By the way, and to extend the draft in the army for military service should also be, because at 30-35 years old, many still have the health of a hooded one, their life has been secured, but they want to test themselves somehow.

[Fedorov]

Well, yes, leave your wife, children and go for a thousand miles to test yourself. Brains will already be a little wrong, poorly re-educated. And at the age of 18 you can still put something into your head and not only.

[Monarchist]

In a certain sense, I agree: now at 35 there are such "bullies" that they will make three young ones.
This is in the days of Kievan Rus in 45-50 people were as they are now in 75

[Fedorov]

Then I agree, For example, I am 45, from the chest 100 kg working weight, I pull up 30, from the floor 100. With a weight of 85 kg. The breathing system became rather weak, 2 minutes on a pear and died, can I quit smoking? In full calculation, 35 kg will die in three km. And I don’t “brag,” life put me like that.

[sharp-lad]

Pancake! I envy your physical form in white.

[Hariton laptev]

Nonsense! on the contrary, remove the postponement of study and call on all who pass through health. Served and learn further on. There are still no families, work, mortgages and other things, the head is full of nothing but women, it’s time to pay the debt ahead to your homeland, and served with a clear conscience for the desk as it was in the Union. Nothing terrible will happen in a year, it will not be forgotten. But how many budget places will be vacated because mowing from the army will not work by deferment.

[zivXP]

No, it’s better to first unlearn, and then serve. So at least studying will benefit the army. I have a tribe so in the "scientific company" served. Everything is better for the state and for human development.

[Hariton laptev]

There were no fools in the Union, all the high-tech universities that trained personnel for defense had military departments. released officers who went to push science. And in our time, almost all university graduates by the end of their studies are already working in their specialty; many in foreign cities have rented apartments from someone's family and also children, because they are now graduating from high school at 22-23 years old. And all this is flying nowhere because debt must be paid. Work flies to hell, because it is not profitable for the capitalist to hold the place of a military serviceman on call, a rented apartment flies, the landlord rents it to another, and the young family with a small child is left without a breadwinner, yes yes, yes, there is no deferment with one child, so the student was taken from me serve, received a diploma the next day his wife gave birth, and a day later he was taken away. So it’s better to serve at 18 to finish your studies and build a family life normally, or after a year to return to a broken trough without work experience, without a job, and who then will you need as a specialist ????

[sharp-lad]

It seems that returning military departments would be the best option. Once every two years, scheduled fees for a week or two and severe sanctions against the employer for trying to fire such a person liable for no particular reason.

[Nix1986]

In general, it’s somewhat even typical, that is, violations one of the troubles in the army, and not only in the army.

[Monarchist]

Quote: assa67

Quote: siberalt

Sorry guys!

yes, it’s a pity ..... but don’t find that often the 102nd according to the reports goes: they ran away, then they shot .... local special officers have something to think about

I agree: 102 somehow became frequent in incidents. My opinion: you need to change the entire leadership of the base.
A relative said: in 1974 he served in Moldova and there was the custom of “Molodum” on the neck of boots and behind the booze. The locals knew who would pour the blame, who would give the money. Such "music" was not yet replaced by the battalion commander. The new battalion commander began to tighten the nuts. The zampolit immediately began to "skip" and all the lair ended.
So here

[Will]

Gyumri

straight attracts trouble? Maybe it makes sense to change the location?

[FLOOD]

Quote: serenja

Maybe it's time to raise the draft age? 18 years in a modern urban society, it’s the same as 13-15 half a century ago ..

At 13-15 half a century ago, the fascist squads were derailed by boys and girls, in the 19th company and the battalion they commanded ... Ehhhh ... well, the youth went