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Putin and M. Kutuzov's strategy: "minor" details

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This article is in addition to the article posted earlier on the site: https://topwar.ru/81212-dostoynyy-uchenik-kutuzova.html.


Putin and M. Kutuzov's strategy: "minor" details


The wars of the times of Napoleon were completely different. The soldiers were in bright outfit, and it was easy to get into them. Fought by the rules. We walked in dense rows under the drumbeat. This detail essentially gave determination to the fighters. By the way, when in the war with the Boers, the British first dressed their soldiers in camouflage, they condemned it. It would seem a minor detail: the color, and what was the effect! Losses have decreased many times. True, then this positive statistics spoiled the machine gun. Minor changes in the layout of parts have increased the rate of fire many times. This allowed even to suggest that there would be no more wars. It was argued by a high rate of fire and, accordingly, mortality. I am sure that at the heart of subsequent wars, you can again find "innocent" details. Here about them also the speech will go.

Napoleon, Kutuzov and Putin. Should not discuss personality. The essence of the ideas, analogies and details.

The French army was huge, more than 500 thousands of fighters. Napoleon's genius was even greater. In Europe, craven Europeans immediately carried him out the “golden key,” that is, the keys to the capitals. And here is the first bummer (from Peter I). In Russia, as it turned out, the two capitals. Disorder! Where to go? Here the genius of Napoleon was powerless. I had to split the army. And since there are no two geniuses in the same army, the half that went to Petersburg sank ingloriously in the marshes. And that which didn’t drown was broken 20.07.1812 under Klyastitsami. The first conclusion: Russia is not for weaklings and mediocre attackers. This is a heartland, an impregnable natural fortress. “There is no such army that can occupy it” (H. Mackinder). But it can be deceived, what our enemies did then, they do now. The second conclusion: military paradigms in these territories always work. It is difficult to predict the consequences for Moscow in the Second World War 1941-45, don’t pull Leningrad into the heavy forces of Hitler’s troops ...

Have you ever seen a French horse horseshoe of that time? He knew that he had not seen! With such a horseshoe to fight in Russia is utopia. It does not work. Here there are rain, snow, mud and at the same time there are no roads, and the horseshoe is flat and without spikes! Trifle, detail, and we are pleased. Usually in Europe, four horses were pulling a cannon. In Russia, "usually" does not pass. The six could hardly cope, the horses just fell! This was the main headache of Napoleon.

Further more. As you know, the dirt on the roads of Napoleon's army was kneaded again. He was forced to return by the same route. There were problems with food and hay. The peasants hid food and burnt hay. Again detail. Horses with flat horseshoes very quickly bent from overstrain. Food was bad. But the French found a brilliant solution: they finished off the horses and ate their meat. This kind of "genius" in Russia also does not pass. Again detail. The French grew up in exquisite French cuisine. In this situation, they had to cook their own food. And since the Russian army and D. Davydov were constantly bothering them, they had to break halts spontaneously and only in the evening or at night. Horse meat had to be cooked in the dark at the stake. And here it is ridiculous: a small, but the main detail in a million. Since the French were excellent soldiers, but useless cooks, they did not remove the PENCU when they cooked horse meat. Yes, and not to foam them. Hungry fighters thought that foam was a fat. But no. Foam is poison! Especially when it comes to horse "diet." Healthy legs and joints during retreat is perhaps the main condition for survival. Soldiers started to refuse joints. Of course, nobody knew these subtleties and very few people knew. Napoleon did not recognize his barely wandering army. His constant question, “What happened to my eagles?” Remained unanswered.

October and November are not the coldest months to retreat. Yes, there were low temperatures, but there were also thaws. But what was good enough from the remaining warriors to the crossing at Studenka could no longer be called an army. Napoleon counted everything except details in the form of horseshoes and foam. Agree annoyingly. And most importantly, what a field for criticism of this person!

Now about Kutuzov. He "accompanied" Napoleon's wandering army and often scolded Davydov for his excessive assertiveness. Further imagine the 1812 path of the year. The only road, and that no (asphalt came up later). After Smolensk, to take care of Napoleon’s army was not difficult at all. Step to the left, step to the right - swamp and icy rivers, streams, streams, bridges ...

Back to the details. The bridges then in Russia, as a rule, were narrow (one carriage), wooden, one way, the speed of the retreating troops no. Imagine an eleven-kilometer demoralized army. The flying detachments of D. Davydov, as it seemed to the French, were everywhere. It was their nightmare. But the main part was the match. Million question. Why would Kutuzov not give the order to burn all those bridges to the fucking mother? So what? And everything, the army costs. Horses are sorely lacking, they are confiscated by Napoleon’s firing orders, even among the highest ranks for artillery needs. After Orsha, Tolochin, Beaver under the gun harness up to eight, ten exhausted horses. Soldiers are exhausted by disease, hunger and endless expanses. Burn all the bridges in the path of retreat - that's all, finish. Maybe Kutuzov was "sent by a Cossack"? Or maybe he was stupid? This means that the field for his criticism is simply huge. But do not rush, look for details.

Back in modernity, to you, Putin and details. Together with perestroika, general computerization, freedom and Pepsi-Cola, we received a “free” bonus, i.e., details. We were above popular wisdom, saying that free cheese is only in a mousetrap. Details turned out to be a million. Soon there will be thirty years, as we (regardless of our will) are engaged in toxic trainings. Toxicity is expressed in the hypertrophic self-identity, that is, the ego. As a result, we are all absolutely sure that we are right. Why are there in the right, in his own genius! Remember: "I am the most charming and attractive," "I deserve it," "Take everything from life," and so on. And what? And nothing. The thirty-year result of this “innocent” detail, i.e. trainings, remarkably characterizes the growing slogan: “I hate to think ...” Genius is rarely outrageous, talent is only in personal imagination, the brain decreases quantitatively and most importantly, qualitatively (scientific fact), life is saturated, but ... beer!

Show specifically nothing. Life was not entirely successful, but we were taught to blame everyone but myself for this. We have a lot of problems and, of course, Putin is personally to blame for them, and yet he has not lost a single battle yet. Details - his horse. Feel the difference ... But we are famously reaching for the keyboard in order to criticize everyone on the Internet in full confidence that we are better. Much better! Why? Because it is easy to discuss personalities. Because for the conduct of other analysts need brains. You will say that this is all the details. Yes, horseshoe, foam, matches - these are the details, but because of them they lose the war. Our life consists of details and wars, they are just smaller in size. Do not lose to you ...

PS Nothing personal, only in order of explanation. For clever commentators. Smart people discuss ideas. Ordinary - discuss events. Mediocrity discuss (and go to) personality. Choose what type you are, what pulls you more.
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  1. Settlement Oparyshev
    Settlement Oparyshev 25 October 2017 06: 00 New
    +1
    The author clearly got excited about Napoleon. Traditional History completely inadequately describes the events of those years. For the sake of completeness, the author would have to study more real historians, for example, Igor Grek (Archi Logos). Napoleon’s army has been growing every year, for 600 thousand, it was moving in carts, walking along In those days people lived on rivers where there is water and food. There was no sense in moving around waterless steppes. So that the author’s story is divorced from life.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 25 October 2017 06: 09 New
      +2
      But some people, and it was much earlier, moved and very quickly boundless steppes .. Timur .. He also strove for water?
      Quote: pp to Oparyshev
      The author clearly got excited about Napoleon. Traditional History completely inadequately describes the events of those years. For the sake of completeness, the author would have to study more real historians, for example, Igor Grek (Archi Logos). Napoleon’s army has been growing every year, for 600 thousand, it was moving in carts, walking along In those days people lived on rivers where there is water and food. There was no sense in moving around waterless steppes. So that the author’s story is divorced from life.
      1. Settlement Oparyshev
        Settlement Oparyshev 25 October 2017 17: 30 New
        0
        Have you ever seen a Mongolian horse and how does a horseman sit on it? How far will you go away on it? And who forged Timur’s buckle for your cinch, arrowheads, saber? So I can whistle like Timur rode his horse for 5 thousand km. forests and ravines. But who will believe me?
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 25 October 2017 06: 33 New
      +3
      If the French are accustomed to "gourmet cuisine", then what did our frogs and snails not please them with? belay
      1. Karen
        Karen 25 October 2017 09: 02 New
        +4
        Quote: siberalt
        If the French are accustomed to "gourmet cuisine", then what did our frogs and snails not please them with? belay

        You probably haven’t encountered French specialists working in the USSR in the 60s by age. I, too ... but acquaintances told me how the French rushed here by nature in search of our frogs.
        1. Oleg Kalugin
          Oleg Kalugin 25 October 2017 12: 32 New
          +1
          I agree, it was the same in Chirchik where they built a certain chemical enterprise .... They ate all the frogs ...
    3. Molot1979
      Molot1979 25 October 2017 07: 52 New
      +3
      Nonsense in a cube. In the 19th century, quite tolerable roads already existed, albeit without asphalt. In the west of RI, the road network was quite dense. And for many hundreds of years people have lived by no means along rivers. In addition, what prevents the roads from reaching the settlements that are near the river? What, is there a law by which to live near a river, or have roads? This period ended somewhere around the 12th century. So, maybe the author is right that he did not become acquainted with the works of "real historians"? In addition, sir, directly with Bonaparte came not 600, but only 400 thousand. And another 200 thousand came as reinforcements during the campaign. Although, I admit, "real historians" know nothing about this.
      Asphalts are different and in 1914 there was no mass. But this didn’t stop the millions of armies from fighting, huh?
      1. Settlement Oparyshev
        Settlement Oparyshev 25 October 2017 17: 24 New
        0
        You wrote a cube of crap. One confidence with which you empty-call will not be enough. Give the facts, at least one or a couple. Usually, the behavior you have is observed when the historian agrees with an ardent one.
    4. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 25 October 2017 08: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: pp to Oparyshev
      Traditional History completely inadequately describes the events of those years.

      Well, not everything was so simple in this war, and, apparently, we are presented with a substantially distorted version of the events of the war of 1812.
    5. Oleg Kalugin
      Oleg Kalugin 25 October 2017 12: 08 New
      0
      You are the one who did not understand the essence of the article. We climbed into the details, well, wise guy, well done .... sorry that stupid in the end
  2. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 25 October 2017 06: 11 New
    +3
    No, I don’t have to look for details right now; But why Comrade Kutuzov didn’t burn the bridges, they didn’t enlighten me.
    1. ivselim
      ivselim 25 October 2017 07: 45 New
      +8
      "No, I don’t have to look for details right now; But why Comrade Kutuzov didn’t burn bridges, they didn’t enlighten me."
      For Napoleon to have a place to run to. In the case of the burning of bridges by Kutuzov, the demoralized army of the French could become a “rat” cornered.
    2. Oleg Kalugin
      Oleg Kalugin 25 October 2017 12: 11 New
      +3
      The first version is tactical.
      There is another strategic one. Kutuzov did not want to completely destroy Napoleon. Not only that, he insisted as he could, to abandon the campaign in Europe.
      The rationale is very simple. Napoleon was taught a lesson; he will no longer stick up. But the buffer between England and Russia will remain ... Napoleon was not going to capture Russia. His goal was to defeat in the border battle of the river. army and force Alexander 1 to continue the blockade of England. But it turned out the way it turned out
      1. Karen
        Karen 25 October 2017 18: 17 New
        0
        You indicated not a simple reason, but the reason for the first difficulty ... I once outlined a simple reason:
        I shoveled work E, Tarle a hundred times, I came to a simple conclusion ... Kutuzov belonged to the type of people who are waiting for the end of the working day to go straight for a drink and a drink ... Therefore, he provided a "golden bridge" - he wanted to bring an unexpected guest ... brush as if from an annoying fly.
    3. novel66
      novel66 25 October 2017 12: 18 New
      +3
      in fact, Napoleon himself ordered "the retreating enemy should build a golden bridge" and not to ruin
    4. Settlement Oparyshev
      Settlement Oparyshev 25 October 2017 17: 20 New
      0
      What else is Kutuzov Golenishchev Smolensky? If you met the exploits of Mikhail Illarionovich near Smolensk, you were lucky. My teachers did not find anything for giving him such a title.
  3. populist
    populist 25 October 2017 06: 29 New
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    Putin himself, and yet he has not yet lost a single battle.

    C'mon, lie ... wink
    Ukraine is lost, in Syria 20 million beggars got stuck like in a swamp, pennies are penny, again they slammed half a billion, (and even at the military missile arsenal) ... wassat According to the author, all this is not at all.
    And so everything is fine - solid hpp laughing
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 25 October 2017 07: 08 New
      +5
      After all, it is known that: "The devil is in the details" hi
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 25 October 2017 10: 03 New
      +2
      The bad habit of blaming Putin for everything will certainly bring you to trouble!
      20 million are waiting for help, but we must look for it. Himself.
      Some minister dispersed few generals.
      Is not the Ukrainians themselves ruined Ukraine? Fell on the United States, then Putin ...
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 25 October 2017 10: 33 New
        +7
        blame Putin for everything
        And that’s right, he’s not responsible for anything, but he is blamed. Maybe he’s not even the president?
    3. AUL
      AUL 26 October 2017 10: 22 New
      +3
      C'mon, lie ... wink
      Do not judge strictly the author - what he was ordered to, he wrote. Well, as I could. By March, a million more articles will be published.
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 25 October 2017 06: 39 New
    +2
    We have many problems and, of course, Putin is personally to blame for them, and yet he has not lost a single battle.


    smile I agree with this and therefore endure the eccentricities of GDP in our economy ... he and his belfry are more visible than me.
    And the article is interesting ...
    I’ll add ... when I began to be interested in the details of the first Chechen campaign since 1994 .... I grabbed my head because of these details ... not everything is so simple in our swamp.
    1. Oleg Kalugin
      Oleg Kalugin 25 October 2017 12: 14 New
      +3
      You’ll take another second question, I’m talking about the details, and then about the Ossetian conflict ... There’s a complete tin in general. As an example, such a detail: the commander of our army ran with a gun firing .... If you do not understand, I can advise you to imagine Zhukov running through the trenches with a gun ...
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 25 October 2017 14: 55 New
        0
        I’ll tell you more. Khasavyurt signed
        Aslan Maskhadov (on behalf of the Acting President of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria Z. Yandarbiev) and Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Alexander Lebed (on behalf of the President of the Russian Federation B. N. Yeltsin).

        Can you imagine that Beria, on behalf of Stalin, is signing something there?
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  6. andrew42
    andrew42 25 October 2017 07: 57 New
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    The author, sorry, is not clear WHAT they wanted to convey. In fact, two completely different topics in the article are connected in the most violent and elaborate way. The jump from the "details" of Kutuzov and Putin straight to the Ego of the average Russian. From military tactics, not even to the mental, to the conceptual level! What is it?
    1. creak
      creak 25 October 2017 11: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: andrew42
      What is it?

      In short, then - in the elderberry garden, and Kiev uncle ...
      1. novel66
        novel66 25 October 2017 12: 20 New
        +3
        and Uncle Separ or Bandera? lol
    2. Oleg Kalugin
      Oleg Kalugin 25 October 2017 12: 15 New
      0
      Do not push, you will not understand all one, it is simply not given. But you are a genius!)))
  7. Nitarius
    Nitarius 25 October 2017 08: 01 New
    0
    The author ... I’m glad that you believe less in the “Training” HISTORY!
    If the number of horses in a row, approximately a horse takes 6 meters! ... that is, 500 thousand. and if with guns even more!
    We are digging ..... 500.000 * 6m = 3000km .. troops and the ARMY are stretched to such a distance, that is, the FIRST FIGHT and the last do not know. I’m silent about the army’s food!
    !
    As with such a military can be fought! ???? nonsense of a written story
    just touches!
    There are more questions than answers ... here are vams and examples!




    1. Bakht
      Bakht 25 October 2017 09: 34 New
      +4
      500 thousand horses ???? Where is that said?
      Horse length 6 meters? Approximately how T-90?
      In total, Napoleon's army had 150 thousand combat and convoy horses.
      1. Oleg Kalugin
        Oleg Kalugin 25 October 2017 12: 17 New
        0
        Yes, the author has already said about him that such and such are the victims and the very-most smart people)))))
        Horror, mediocrity also teaches instructively so)))
    2. alstr
      alstr 25 October 2017 09: 52 New
      +4
      Firstly, the cavalry was not 500 thousand, but only 50.
      Secondly, 6 square meters. m horse is needed only in the stall. The horse itself occupies less than 2 sq. M of them. (horse size about 2 m by 70 cm).
      Thirdly, Napoleon’s army (and by the way ours) was divided into several parts, which facilitated the supply. At the same time, we do not forget that each regiment had a rather large convoy with them. That's how they solved the supply problems.
      1. novel66
        novel66 25 October 2017 12: 21 New
        +4
        and after Borodino the number of horses decreased sharply
  8. andrewkor
    andrewkor 25 October 2017 08: 58 New
    +4
    And in Asia we have horsemeat dishes, it’s delicious, but you need to be able to cook. You can lick kazy fingers!
    1. novel66
      novel66 25 October 2017 12: 22 New
      +8
      well that you and Napoleon were not
  9. Alex66
    Alex66 25 October 2017 09: 35 New
    +9
    We have a lot of problems and, of course, Putin is to blame for them personally, and yet he has not lost a single battle
    It seems the article was written for the sake of this phrase. Now let’s take a look at the personnel policy of the GDP (he doesn’t turn in his own). The government is managed by a lawyer who has never run a plant, he does not fulfill the president’s instructions. The former defense minister who failed the job was transferred to a new non-dusty job, his girlfriend walked in the zone for 1 month, this is for a particularly large amount of theft. People are hung up with education, health care, utilities, pensions, but there is still no money, despite the fact that the price of oil is higher than in the USSR.
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 25 October 2017 10: 10 New
      +1
      Yes, they take the fashion from the Americans: Reagan also never managed a factory.
  10. Gardamir
    Gardamir 25 October 2017 09: 39 New
    11
    But take your time, look for details.
    Author, tell me at least one detail. What I see. During Putin’s reign, medicine has become 90% paid, and no one will treat for free.
    Ege began during Putin's time in 2001.
    Progressive tax (a quitrent of oligarchs' extra-profit) was also canceled by Putin.
    House-2 in Russia began in 2004.
    I suspect that for many it will be a revelation. But the number of closed enterprises under Putin is four times greater than under Yeltsin.
    And this is a trick with manual opposition. And now, whoever would not criticize, they immediately enlist in Navalny’s supporters. But it’s time for Navalny to plant himself, but they don’t, they probably need a scarecrow.
    It is possible to list a lot of details that have occurred and are getting involved in the WTO, but do we need it? Juvenile justice violates the constitution ....
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 25 October 2017 09: 54 New
      11
      Quote: Gardamir
      During the reign of Putin, medicine has become, already 90% paid, and no one will treat for free

      Ouch, yoyo ... I don’t know ...
      I with my, I am sorry, pancreatitis for the last 3 years was pumped out twice. Absolutely free. 2 weeks each time.
      Am i lucky? Do I live in another country, on another planet? Or are you ... a little lying, as usual? wink
      Quote: Gardamir
      Ege started during Putin's time in 2001

      The idea of ​​the Unified State Examination in itself is not at all as bad as they try to imagine.
      Examination tests are on the Internet, solve at your leisure physical education, at least. Then share your impressions.
      Personally, I’m not a Nofig quartet, I sweat a little, decidedly ...
      Quote: Gardamir
      Putin has also canceled the progressive tax (over-return of oligarchs extra-profit)

      Progressive tax is a good thing. The trouble was that no one paid him.
      Canceled on the principle of “even a cat, since there is no dog. As a result, tax collection increased, as I was told ... people who worked in the tax police, og yes
      Quote: Gardamir
      House-2 in Russia began in 2004

      Ooh, yoyo ... Gardamir, You ... trifle laughing
      Quote: Gardamir
      But the number of closed enterprises under Putin is four times greater than under Yeltsin

      Pruflink in the studio. There is no faith in your word.
      Quote: Gardamir
      Juvenile justice violates constitution

      Is it somewhere she “walks”? Examples in the studio, if you find, of course.
      GardamirYou ... charm love
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 25 October 2017 10: 30 New
        +4
        Uh, yo ...
        What did you appoint in the Kremlin as my personal troll?
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 25 October 2017 10: 47 New
          +9
          Quote: Gardamir
          What did you appoint in the Kremlin as my personal troll?

          Not. I work ... completely different from the one you mentioned ...
          This is how it looks like:

          But I pinch you when the minute falls free ... well, you amuse me, what else can I say in my defense repeat

          The answers to the essence of the questions asked to you, as I understand it, will not be ... and why am I not surprised? Weird request
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 25 October 2017 11: 54 New
            +4
            Answers in essence given
            What was the point? They ridiculed everything even for sure seriously.
            Say no tax collection, why in other countries there? Maybe the leadership can not or does not want? The Rottenbergs were exempted from taxes, and sanctions were imposed on them.
            And then you don’t say anything in the case, you “thinly troll” or go on to explicit insults
            lie like usual?
            My friends in real life will be surprised, I turn out to be a liar.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 25 October 2017 12: 35 New
              +8
              Quote: Gardamir
              Say no tax collection, why in other countries there?

              Well, other countries are different ... the USA, Germany - this is one ... some thread Mexico - is another ... about Libya and others like that, I just keep silent.
              There was no collection, since the country in the 90s (oddly enough, it was then) turned into a big mess, where each for himself and “the law is the taiga”. Forces to control everyone and everything was gone, taxes were not collected.
              It’s just that everything would seem request
              Quote: Gardamir
              The Rottenbergs were exempted from taxes ...

              Quote: Russian folk tale
              You, servicemen, heard a ringing ... but you don’t know where he is ...

              Rottenberg’s Zakog remained a bill ...
              Quote: The State Duma rejected the “Rotenberg law”

              http://www.rbc.ru/politics/21/04/2017/58f9ddb39a7
              9479c7bdcfe70

              Quote: Gardamir
              My friends in real life will be surprised, I turn out to be a liar

              In real life, perhaps not. And here you are constantly, excuse me, you fall into the sky with your finger ...
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 25 October 2017 12: 50 New
                +4
                Rottenberg’s Zakog remained a bill ...
                Here you, as always, hit the sky with your finger.
                The State Duma adopted in the third, final reading a bill that allows citizens who have fallen under sanctions to refuse Russian tax residency. The Duma opposition did not support the bill. 322 deputies voted in favor, 85 against, one parliamentarian abstained.

                According to the approved amendment to tax legislation, individuals who have been subject to sanctions since 2014 will be able to not pay taxes in Russia, regardless of the length of their stay in the country, if they confirm that they were residents of a foreign state in the same tax period. By law, tax residents of Russia are citizens who are in the state for more than 183 days a year.

                Russian President Vladimir Putin has signed a federal law that allows individuals under foreign sanctions not to be recognized as tax residents of Russia. The relevant document is posted on the legal information portal.

                An amendment to the Tax Code on personal income tax payers will help to avoid double taxation by those who own property and pay taxes in the USA and Europe, and in connection with Western sanctions imposed on them, they are forced to live in Russia, becoming thus, tax residents of two countries at once.

                search by
                A law that allows sanctioned citizens to refuse Russian tax residency,
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 25 October 2017 13: 55 New
                  +8
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Rottenberg's Law remained the bill ...
                  Here you, as always, hit the sky with your finger

                  Nah no
                  That, I’m sorry, the shnya you wrote about above (nicknamed Timchenko’s Law, I haven’t found the number and I won’t, once again) and the so-called Rottenberg Law (draft federal law No. 607554-6) - these are two different, ahem , law. The Rottenberg Law was not adopted, which I wrote about.
                  By the way, Rottenberg himself (one of two who don’t remember) said that he did not intend to use the "Timchenko law".

                  In general, haste is needed when catching fleas ... Gardamir wink
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 25 October 2017 11: 48 New
        10
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        I with my, I am sorry, pancreatitis for the last 3 years was pumped out twice.

        The quality of free medical care is not high, it is put on stream. Many necessary operations are paid. And what is done for free is in such a way that it’s easier to pay money! I personally prefer to take the child to a distant paid children's clinic than to the free one, which is nearby! Do you think of a good life? By the way, my wife has a doctor (I wrote about this more than once), and so she says that the list of free procedures and materials is reduced every year!
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Progressive tax is a good thing. The trouble was that no one paid him.

        Merchants, if it is possible not to pay, then they do not pay any tax. He himself did just that. So this is not an explanation.
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Pruflink in the studio. There is no faith in your word.

        So you do not believe it! And take a check. Why are you acting like a troll all the time? All you need is something, as if someone owes you. If in doubt about something, then take it and figure it out yourself! And report to us. Moreover, why do you need proofs from the one you still don’t believe?
        With regard to the issue, it was under Putin that most enterprises were actually closed. Under Yeltsin they still held on. I don’t have to prove it, I saw all this with my own eyes. And you, if you can, take refute me!
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 25 October 2017 12: 40 New
          +9
          Quote: Stas157
          All you need is something, as if someone owes you. If in doubt about something, then take it and figure it out yourself! And report to us

          Ahrenosovet ...
          - You (well, Gardamir, no matter) say something ... let's say, the unobvious
          - you are not going to prove it, but those who do not believe your word send a refutation to seek belay
          I do not care, dear edition (s)

          I'll try it right now: you know, and in the sky 782657371 is a star. Believe it, no?

          Quote: Stas157
          Why are you acting like a troll all the time?

          It is called "from a sick head to a healthy one."
          The troll is just you, dear yes
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 25 October 2017 13: 08 New
            +8
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Ahrenosovet ...
            - You (well, Gardamir, no matter) say something ... let's say, the unobvious
            - you are not going to prove it, but those who do not believe your word send a rebuttal to look for belay
            I do not care, dear edition (s)

            If a person says something, then of course he could be wrong. But, to prove to everyone any word - fire! There is not enough time for that. Yes, and this is not a thankful job. But the one who criticizes him should justify his criticism with weighty arguments, and not with general phrases: "Ah, you prove it! I don't believe it!". So you can troll absolutely anyone! In this case, we can talk about evidence only from the moment when the critic has serious arguments. But not before.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 25 October 2017 13: 10 New
              +9
              Quote: Stas157
              In this case, we can speak of evidence only from the moment when the critic has serious arguments. But not before

              Well, what can I say ... also - the position request

              Personally, I am ready to prove my every claim. Is always. And, accordingly, I expect this from others.

              PS: about the number of stars you believed, or what? wink
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 25 October 2017 13: 12 New
                +5
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Personally, I am ready to prove my every claim. Is always.

                Oxymoron.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 25 October 2017 14: 24 New
                  +8
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Oxymoron

                  You yourself are the word ... wassat
              2. Gardamir
                Gardamir 25 October 2017 14: 33 New
                +4
                Personally, I am ready to prove my every claim. Is always. And, accordingly, I expect this from others.
                So prove it while you're just trying to hide behind chuckles using interjections.
                And about whether Timchenko’s laws and Rottenberg’s laws do not climb into any gates at all. Of course there are no such laws, there is a law, here is the link http://publication.pravo.gov.ru/Document/View/000
                1201704040020
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 25 October 2017 16: 58 New
                  +8
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  And about whether Timchenko’s laws and Rottenberg’s laws do not climb into any gates at all. Of course there are no such laws, there is a law, here is the link http://publication.pravo.gov.ru/Document/View/000
                  1201704040020

                  This is No. 53-FZ. The one that is Timchenko.
                  Rottenberg is a draft federal law No. 607554-6. He was not accepted, and remained a "project."
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  The Rottenbergs were exempted from taxes ...

                  Rottenberg - residents of the Russian Federation, they are just not released.
                  Confused in the testimony, IMHO.
                  1. Gardamir
                    Gardamir 25 October 2017 17: 25 New
                    +4
                    IMHO
                    I don’t understand you at all. I gave you a link to the law, what’s wrong. Google gives me that 53-F3 is the law on military duty. What does Timchenko-Rottenberg have to do with it. It's about them all living well. Especially while I was discussing with you, I found the info, where both Timchenko and Rottenberg and others enriched themselves during the sanctions.
          2. Gardamir
            Gardamir 25 October 2017 14: 49 New
            +2
            You (well, Gardamir, no matter) say something ... let's say, the unobvious
            prove it.
            Or tell us about a happy childhood under the current regime, about confidence in the future. And you are also lucky that the ambulance arrives. Only pancreatitis must be treated in time. 120 thousand and problems with the pancreas will be forgotten.
      3. E_V_N
        E_V_N 25 October 2017 12: 50 New
        +4
        I with my, I am sorry, pancreatitis for the last 3 years was pumped out twice. Absolutely free. 2 weeks each time.

        And why did they only pump out the ambulance? What is not cured for free? By the way, I read the news that the patient was “asked” to fill the ambulance with gasoline. Something like that.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 25 October 2017 22: 27 New
          +8
          Quote: E_V_N
          And why did they only pump out the ambulance?

          Why do you think so? He wrote: "2 times in two weeks." This hospital is called, the word is ... non-Russian wink
          Quote: E_V_N
          What is not cured for free?

          Cured, cured ...
          Quote: E_V_N
          By the way, I read the news that the patient was “asked” to fill the ambulance with gasoline

          "The mighty nature is full of miracles" (c). I haven’t been asked anything yet, neither I can confirm nor deny request
          1. E_V_N
            E_V_N 26 October 2017 09: 14 New
            +3
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Quote: E_V_N
            And why did they only pump out the ambulance?

            Why do you think so? He wrote: "2 times in two weeks." This hospital is called, the word is ... non-Russian wink

            They lay down in a hospital as planned, the word "pumped out" implies precisely "ambulance", possibly with further treatment in a hospital. So in this case it is inappropriate to jerk.

            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Quote: E_V_N
            What is not cured for free?

            Cured, cured ...

            Congratulations, although the second time it turned out, but at least something ...
            1. Old shoe
              Old shoe 28 October 2017 18: 35 New
              0
              That attacked Jack! I read all this skirmish and see that all of the above can be reduced to a simple dialogue:
              - Gardamir: All-polymers !!!
              - Golovan Jack: No, not all!
              - Gardamir: Yes, that's it! All!!!! And you are a troll !!!

              Especially cool about free paid medicine. You carry such nonsense, Gardamir. This I tell you, as a person who knows the topic from the inside. Of course, we also have our drawbacks in the assay tent (c) O. Bender. But I will disappoint you - not everything is as bad as you are trying to imagine here.

              And, yes, my respect, Jack hi
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 28 October 2017 18: 45 New
                +7
                Quote: Old Shoe
                And, yes, my respect, Jack

                "And what am I? I’m nothing ..." (c)
                Thank you, mutually yes
    2. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 25 October 2017 11: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: Gardamir
      And this chip with manual opposition.

      Quote: Gardamir
      House-2 in Russia began in 2004

      In Russia, in 2017, House-3 began wink
      Read-who entered the headquarters. Interesting! And, as they push it! Yesterday on the News Rambler there were 6 notes about the “outstanding lady”, today, though only three, but not yet evening.
      Quote: basmach
      and here the idea of ​​the article is very thinly veiled. And the point is that we all, who do not understand the genius of the GDP (which lies in the fine details of his actions), are just dull, who do not understand the meaning of life and are guilty of everything. And there, on Olympus, there are all the time geniuses who bake about us tirelessly and around the clock. But we, lackeys, lack of understanding, do not understand this and very much scold the "holy" people.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 25 October 2017 12: 00 New
        +3
        In Russia, in 2017, House-3 began
        quote myself
        Hello clowns!

        leo_tigr
        October 25, 10:22
        Remember the situation when Woland sat on the stage and watched the hall. It turned out that he is the only spectator, and the spectators from the filing of Woland's assistants are the actors themselves.
        Don't you think the same thing is happening now. We came to the theater, but the participants in the action themselves, and someone is laughing at us. And all these assistants of this Someone evoke our emotions. Now Navalny, then Poklonskaya, Now Sobchak has made her original relationship with “our Crimea is not ours,” Sobchak immediately condemned whoever you thought was Poklonskaya correctly. Then Diana Shurygina drew herself like a great supermodel.
        Not only did these destroy Our Country, but they also make us entertain them.
        People, don't get fooled! The show should not go on. Do not respond when you are pulled by the strings. These showmen are not so many, ignore them and ...
        Peace to your home!

        It’s not sad, but the clowns are us, and all these bowing dogs are bred.
    3. Oleg Kalugin
      Oleg Kalugin 25 October 2017 12: 19 New
      +2
      You mixed everything in a heap ... Separate cutlets and pasta, and throw out agitprom in the form of flies ....
      I'm not in the sense that the GDP is not at all to blame, but it’s not worth all the well-worn entrances to blame on its member))
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 25 October 2017 13: 12 New
        +5
        GDP is not at fault, but not worth it
        There are two points. Firstly, he is praised wherever you can keep silent. especially enchanting, in domestic politics he is certainly not very, but in foreign ... It sounds like my wife doesn’t wash at home, doesn’t cook and doesn’t sleep with me, but to other peasants .... Who said about a successful foreign policy? TV! Everyone sees the correct internal problems themselves, but one can believe in fairy tales about the external.
        Another moment, the head of state is responsible for everything. No, I understand the percentage of pissing in the entrances will always be. But we’re talking about the global one. There is no money for medicine, and billions go for the purchase of American obligations. And if our Crimea, who will force Gref to open Sberbank branches there? ..
        1. You Vlad
          You Vlad 25 October 2017 14: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: Gardamir
          Another moment, the head of state is responsible for everything. No, I understand the percentage of pissing in the entrances will always be. But we’re talking about the global one. There is no money for medicine, and billions go for the purchase of American obligations. And if our Crimea, who will force Gref to open Sberbank branches there?

          Here you are, like my wife, now take it out and lay it, but from where to get it, it does not bother her lol Have you heard of the sanctions, no? But they are and they really work yes By the way, defense now takes several times more money than for medicine, you’ll speak here: I don’t need helicopters, I need 100% free medicine! winkHow about, and where, by the way, is medicine 100% free? And about
          Quote: Gardamir
          and billions go for the purchase of American obligations

          Where do they go then? belay
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 25 October 2017 14: 28 New
            +5
            Where do they go then?
            One more. Nabiullina Elvira Sahipzadovna in August transferred several billion to buy American treasuries.
            1. You Vlad
              You Vlad 25 October 2017 14: 29 New
              +1
              Quote: Gardamir
              One more. Nabiullina Elvira Sahipzadovna in August transferred several billion to buy American treasuries.

              And what's next, where did they go with you?
            2. BYV
              BYV 25 October 2017 20: 22 New
              +2
              Quote: Gardamir
              One more. Nabiullina Elvira Sahipzadovna in August transferred several billion to buy American treasuries.

              Gyyyy ... Strictly on the training manual))) Enjoy:
              http://ruxpert.ru/%D0%92%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%
              D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%
              D0%B8_%D0%B2_%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%B0
              %D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%A1%D0%A8%D0%90
              ... Where did you get so much from?
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 25 October 2017 20: 38 New
                +2
                Enjoy:
                Well..?
                1. BYV
                  BYV 25 October 2017 21: 39 New
                  0
                  http://qoo.by/2REB
                  For some reason, the link failed. Then the shortened version))
    4. BYV
      BYV 25 October 2017 20: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: Gardamir
      But the number of closed enterprises under Putin is four times greater than under Yeltsin.

      Mdya ... The audience is getting smaller. Such a mothballs blew, I sneezed straight ahead. This myth is sucked and parsed millions of times already. Do you want proof? I have them:
      http://ruxpert.ru/%D0%90%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BA%
      D0%B8:%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D1%83
      %D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%87%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%
      D0%BD%D1%8B%D1%85_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B8_%D0%9F%D1%83
      %D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B5_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4
      %D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B9
      Interestingly, something about Russian investments in the United States or about a torn economy to smithereens?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 25 October 2017 20: 40 New
        +3
        about a torn economy
        Do you know the difference between economics and finance?
        In the Kremlin, seeing things is not at all if they had already sent a third one in a day.
        1. BYV
          BYV 25 October 2017 21: 42 New
          +1
          Quote: Gardamir
          In the Kremlin, seeing things is not at all ah if they sent a third one in a day

          "... are you ill? ..." (c)
          http://qoo.by/2REF
          Quote: Gardamir
          Do you know the difference between economics and finance?

          and the differences between a meat grinder and a toaster?
  11. Bastinda
    Bastinda 25 October 2017 10: 21 New
    +9
    For clever commentators. Smart people discuss ideas. Ordinary - discuss events. Mediocrity discuss (and pass on to) the individual.

    But do not tell me what the idea of ​​Putin? And which of his "ideas" in domestic politics has worked for 17 years?
    Import substitution? Skolkovo? 25 million jobs?
    1. Oleg Kalugin
      Oleg Kalugin 25 October 2017 12: 28 New
      0
      The integrity of the country!
      1. forty-eighth
        forty-eighth 25 October 2017 15: 39 New
        +7
        Wait, for 17 years, Russia surrendered its territories to Norway (oil-bearing regions of the Arctic shelf), China (including the glorious Damansky Island), Kazakhstan (a very recent incident with the demarcation of a dried-up lake that dried out only from the Russian side).
        With integrity, the question is controversial, no matter how ridiculous it may sound.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 25 October 2017 17: 16 New
          +3
          With integrity, the question is controversial,
          that’s it, and they really want to conclude a peace treaty with Japan, and preferably with money ...
        2. BYV
          BYV 25 October 2017 20: 27 New
          0
          Quote: forty-eighth
          including the glorious island of Daman

          Was Putin already at the helm in 1991? "... And he, too, the church? ..."
          What a funny little man)))
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 25 October 2017 20: 41 New
            +1
            And the church, too, is he? ..
            not the church he loves. Have you heard anything about the oath?
            1. BYV
              BYV 25 October 2017 21: 52 New
              0
              Quote: Gardamir
              Have you heard anything about the oath?

              As a career officer, albeit in reserve, I certainly did not hear about the oath. And he never even gave or accepted it.
              By the way, I pointed out to the patient an outright lie.
            2. BYV
              BYV 25 October 2017 21: 58 New
              0
              Regarding the Norwegians:
              Highlights briefly:

              1) Russian sovereignty has never extended to this territory. Therefore, no one gave the "native Russian" land to anyone.

              2) In reality, it is a VICTORY of Russian diplomats, since we now have the right to consider applications for joining 1 million 200 thousand square meters. km Arctic shelf. Without a clear border between the Russian Federation and Norway, this application would not even have been considered, in full accordance with the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, which we signed in 1997.

              3) This agreement (on the delineation of maritime spaces and cooperation in the Barents Sea and the Arctic Ocean) is NEVER reflected in previously concluded agreements. Including Svalbard. This is expressly stated in the 6 contract clause. Moreover, he gives us a little more rights.

              4) For hydrocarbons. Shtokman as it was ours, and remained. There are questions regarding the set of Fedynsky. But does it lie on the interface, which means it will be developed jointly? (who can find a reliable location of the Fedynsky arch and put points on the map from the contract?). Some small deposits have departed to Norway, yes. But without differentiating rights, it was still impossible to develop either Norway or Russia. And the terms are tight.
  12. basmach
    basmach 25 October 2017 10: 47 New
    +6
    Yes, here the idea of ​​the article is very thinly veiled. And the point is that we all, who do not understand the genius of the GDP (which lies in the fine details of his actions), are just dull, who do not understand the meaning of life and who are to blame for everything. And there, on Olympus, there are all the time geniuses who bake about us tirelessly and around the clock. But we, the lackeys, lack of understanding, do not understand this and very much criticize the "holy" people.
    1. Oleg Kalugin
      Oleg Kalugin 25 October 2017 12: 27 New
      +3
      Know what your search is. It is actually simple and old: We all, including you, have one very widespread misconception among Russia and its people. And here is the answer to it:
      And THE KING IS NOT ALL-POWERING!
      And here is an example in two, no, three events:
      1. Personally, the GDP, in one person, decided to defend Ossetia-08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX
      2. For the entry into Syria of the troops were against all the closest circle of Putin and even Shoigu.
      3. Crimea, a personal decision on GDP
      4. If you understand Putin’s personal decision about the “north wind”
      That is, in all these decisions, he took full responsibility. And he went against the will of his entourage ... Now imagine what the courtiers and our "elites" would do to him if he had stumbled ...
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 25 October 2017 12: 35 New
        12
        Quote: Oleg Kalugin
        That is, in all these decisions, he took full responsibility. And he went against the will of his entourage ... Now imagine what the courtiers and our "elites" would do to him if he had stumbled ...

        Well you just scared! If Putin has such a “terrible” environment, isn’t it easier to change it? And work already with like-minded people. After all, it depends only on Putin’s desire. Why doesn't he want this? Maybe it’s not so scary?
      2. basmach
        basmach 26 October 2017 00: 45 New
        +2
        And I remember that both he and Dam were silent, like fish on ice, and the district commander made the decision to move troops at his own risk. Well, Syria, I already wrote something like that. They introduced, but ... in 3 years after the outbreak of war, when the whole country was in the trash, although at that time we had an agreement on mutual assistance. And the Syrians are still warriors, I wrote for a long time (I happened to be on a business trip to 95,)
  13. E_V_N
    E_V_N 25 October 2017 12: 03 New
    +7
    Putin, and yet he has not lost a single battle

    Bearded joke. “But the elusive Joe enters the saloon,“ Can’t he really be caught by anyone? ”“ No, he just doesn’t need anyone. ” Or maybe it's from the same series? Nothing lost, but what won?
  14. E_V_N
    E_V_N 25 October 2017 12: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: Victor N
    Yes, they take the fashion from the Americans: Reagan also never managed a factory.

    So Reagan was not the Prime Minister. In theory, the President is a politician, the Prime Minister is a business executive. Well, 2 lawyers in the economy are not ice, so we have no ice with the laws and the courts.
  15. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 25 October 2017 13: 01 New
    0
    Class !!! A little presumptuous, but class!
  16. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 25 October 2017 14: 02 New
    +6
    ... Putin ... did not lose a single battle.
    Rather, nothing won, with its capabilities!
  17. gorenina91
    gorenina91 25 October 2017 14: 03 New
    +1
    -Just the soldiers of France were perplexed ... -They just did not understand their great emperor for the first time ... -Why did they come to conquer Russia .. ???
    -In Russia, they faced the terrible poverty of the simple Russian people ... -Bad and poorly dressed ugly Russian peasants ..,; disgustingly cultivated fields .. sown with rye and spelled; mills producing coarse flour; rye bread with bran; spelled porridge; sick poorly maintained cattle ..; small primitive dwellings covered with straw ...
    -And that's all after sunny France, where the French got used to white bread, wine, fruits, cheese ... -After conquered, well-fed Europe, where there are a lot of cities in brothels, taverns, usual food and fodder .., a good comfortable night ...
    -French soldiers were simply perplexed ..., going further and further into the interior of Russia ...
    -And when they wandered back ... then they cursed everything in the world ... -many simply became disillusioned with the greatness of their Emperor ... -they just considered him an ordinary loser ... -All discipline was held exclusively by the Napoleonic guard. ..
  18. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 25 October 2017 14: 12 New
    +3
    Quote: Oleg Kalugin
    . Crimea, a personal decision of GDP

    Here, rather than thanks, but in spite of. I well remember the facial expressions when signing the agreement on the inclusion of Crimea in the Russian Federation. The joyful faces of Aksyonov, Konstantinov and Chaly and Putin's sour expression on his face.
  19. samarin1969
    samarin1969 25 October 2017 19: 19 New
    +1
    Every lover of history has the right to his own opinion ... The author clearly “went over” about the “bridges”. It is unlikely that Napoleon’s sappers, who easily built a bridge across the Neman, to build “bridges” was a problem.
    I can not agree with the general idea that Karl, Napoleon and Adolph miscalculated in the weather, the enemy’s assessment, etc. .... Historians in each war can outline the “reasons” for which Russia should have been defeated.
    Napoleon was stopped by the rare courage of Russian soldiers and officers .... And here in the article Putin, probably only some "Masons" understood ... laughing
  20. Arkady Gaidar
    Arkady Gaidar 25 October 2017 21: 06 New
    0
    Apparently the author was very much taken out by clever fools))
  21. XII Legion
    XII Legion 25 October 2017 22: 01 New
    16
    Putin and M. Kutuzov’s strategy

    I hope Moscow is not going to take? lol
  22. Fedor1
    Fedor1 26 October 2017 12: 18 New
    +1
    Eugene You are a rare optimist, you just want to listen to you, as I did not say, but someone in the comments would buy ice cream and a balloon!
  23. demo
    demo 28 October 2017 07: 00 New
    +1
    The food was bad. But the French found a brilliant solution: they finished off the horses and ate their meat. This kind of "genius" in Russia also does not work. Again detail. The French grew up in fine French cuisine. In this situation, they had to cook their own food.

    I did not understand this maxim.
    The author believes that the entire armada of troops consisted entirely of offspring of the highest aristocracy of Europe, which alone can not cook its own food?
    This is where so many aristocrats then collect ?!
    This is the first.

    Second.
    Kuzma Prutkov, if memory serves, verbally - Look at the root!
    A country in which collectivism was instilled from childhood, and the population, cannot suddenly begin to live in a different moral framework.
    You, if you are not quite young, should understand the following.
    For example.
    Getting up from the pastel, every morning, in the hustle and bustle of your feet in slippers and go to the toilet room.
    And so every day.
    And suddenly, in the morning you do not find slippers.
    You have a stupor!
    Then, of course, natural needs will make themselves felt, and you will hurry barefoot out of need.

    Now imagine that people and people have developed habits, traditions, customs, rules, laws, in the end, which permeated the lives of Soviet people in thousands of threads.
    To replace one stereotype of behavior, another sometimes takes years.
    And sometimes nothing happens. And a person does not fit into a new way of life.

    And here you are about the fact that they say "themselves are to blame."


    PS Nothing personal, only in order of explanation. For clever commentators. Smart people discuss ideas. Ordinary - discuss events. Mediocrity discuss (and go to) personality. Choose what type you are, what pulls you more.

    If anything, it will probably be more true:
    "Smart people generate ideas. Ordinary people realize them. Mediocre ones get bumps."

    But I hope that the correspondence dialogue with you will not put me in a series of mediocrity?
    All the same, I criticize you!