In Chechnya, an officer of the Rosguard opened fire on fellow soldiers

From the Chechen Republic, reports of the tragic incident with servicemen of the Rosguard come. RIA News reports that one of the soldiers shot their fellow 4's colleagues. It is noted that the shooter himself was eventually eliminated by representatives of the duty unit.

The official representative of the department of the Rosguards notes that the shooting took place in the barracks of the military unit of the North Caucasus Federal District. It is noteworthy that the officer who fired was the senior lieutenant.

According to updated data, the shooting occurred in the military unit located in the settlement Shelkovskaya approximately in 16: 00 local time.

In fact, the incident began verification. A criminal case. The work begins a special commission of the Central Office of the Rosguards. The commission also includes specialists from the department’s psychological department.

Comments

[NIKNN]

Darkness ... well, the reason probably was ... Maybe a run over from local hot guys ... The local serve ...

[Black_Vatnik]

And is there already information that the shooter was not from the locals, but the victims were all locals?
Maybe from those who joined the "truly Orthodox" or stupidly dzhigit with impaired pride. Now just guess.

[NIKNN]

Quote: Black_Jacket

Now just guess

Why guess? They say .... maybe ...

[Monos]

The 6791 military unit is located in the village of Shelkovskaya, on which the units of the 46 separate operational brigade of the National Guard are based.

[Partyzan]

Quote: Monos

units of the 46th separate operational brigade of the National Guard are based.

Victor Can I ask a modest question? about this Islam-what can he say? or was he just taught to read?

[Monos]

Greetings Bob!
From myself it is fraught to speak. Ramzan may not understand it.

[Partyzan]

Quote: Monos

Greetings Bob!
From myself it is fraught to speak. Ramzan may not understand it.

this is the problem of Ramzan, even if he teaches at least to take his eyes off a piece of paper, and pretend - I speak from memory, I'm afraid to make a mistake, so I look at my text

[Cutter]

Volodya , did not have time to answer on that branch. Rr-glad to meet a comrade, did not know! Now I understand how "multifaceted" our comrades are !!! Sincerely ...

[Partyzan]

Quote: Cutter

Volodya, did not have time to answer on that branch

Sanya

[Will]

Has anything changed in two years?

[co-creator]

Most likely the Russian officer shot the Chechens WHO PUT ON IT OR MAY EVEN WORSE. Patience is not eternal, and not all Russian officers are ready to bear humiliation.

[Lord of the Sith]

You made an assumption and based on this draw conclusions.

[Partyzan]

Quote: Sith Lord

You made an assumption and based on this draw conclusions.

you don’t need to guess at the coffee grounds, or it may turn out to be not an officer, and not a Rosgvardia, and did not shoot, but everything is right

[Cutter]

Quote: Partyzan

Quote: Sith Lord

You made an assumption and based on this draw conclusions.

you don’t need to guess at the coffee grounds, or it may turn out to be not an officer, and not a Rosgvardia, and did not shoot, but everything is right

That's right, guessing is not worth it. In the Soviet Union, cadets of military schools (maybe not all) underwent professional psychological selection. We had a very tough summer heat, and they ask you questions, sometimes to which you already answered. You answer in writing. You solve some arithmetic-geometric problems. I don’t know how the Russian brothers have now, we have seams with this business !!! The teaching staff works seriously mainly only for our "specialists", and for the special forces of the explosives. The rest ... BUT ... It is necessary to DO it, colleagues, and to us including you !!!! EVERYONE of us, who considers himself a warrior, MUST explain to any young one why the Motherland is such, why they do not like it (?), And WHY IT SHOULD BE PROTECTED!
Maybe not right ... but I think so.

[Partyzan]

Quote: Cutter

Maybe not right ... but I think so.

Sanya is right, but you know what kind of mu ... 3 years ago we were taken to a military school from us? my nephew from the first year (first semester) left there when I asked him why - the answer is stupid people, (he is a boxer), they don't have a fizuha or a mind, they just knock, you’ll give me a mug in the face - already consider it in an outfit, like that

[Cutter]

Volodya, let’s tell you more !!!! True, about 15 years ago, but these "cadets" today are "battalion commanders." Kapets, chewed snot ...

[BecmepH]

in the face you give a freak - already count in the outfit, in so

And my son finished in 2015. In the face you give a freak and you are fired.

[Semen Semyonitch]

Quote: Partyzan

Quote: Sith Lord

You made an assumption and based on this draw conclusions.

you don’t need to guess at the coffee grounds, or it may turn out to be not an officer, and not a Rosgvardia, and did not shoot, but everything is right

Rabinovich says to Finkelstein: "Have you heard that Tsiperovich won five thousand rubles in poker?" To which Finkelstein replies: "Not at poker, but at the races, not five thousand rubles, but a hundred, and did not win, but lost, and so everything is correct"

[temirtau72]

Vladyka, and you, as an officer, have given the debt to your homeland? And probably in the part with mostly Russian military personnel.
I served in one of these units and I can honestly say that Chechens, especially when there are a lot of them in the unit, are frankly slaughtered for everything and everyone, including officers.
But where they are qualitatively smaller, they really serve and they drag the strap along with everyone else.

[Cutter]

Believe me, Vladyka served where necessary, and now he is where necessary. As for nationalities, as a commander, I can answer: if the commander appointed to the post is a commander (!), Then "nationalities" are all correct! Gouging-and "sieve hole" ...

[Esoteric]

Quote: Cutter

Believe me ... As for the nationalities, then as a commander, I can answer: if the commander appointed to the post is a commander (!), Then "nationalities" are all right!

And I do not believe you. For no wonder the proverb says: “A black sheep spoils the flock” and “A spoon of tar spoils a barrel of honey” ... And, if the “black cat” ...

[Cutter]

I emphasize - IF YOU ARE A COMMANDER (!!!!) - all are the same ...

[Normal ok]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

You made an assumption and based on this draw conclusions.

But, assumptions based on our own experience and analysis, are much more believable than the official versions. Especially if they are voiced by Basurin))) - sorry could not resist)))

[co-creator]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

You made an assumption and based on this draw conclusions.

Of course, there is no information. I draw conclusions from the experience and realities of our army. Unfortunately for the Caucasians, Russian officers are not authorities and they are their schmucks ... they dig as well as ordinary fighters, only morally.

[Black_Vatnik]

Or a Martian spy, or an American provocateur, or the illegitimate son of Budanov takes revenge.
I love when a couple of proposals already describe the likely picture in the spirit of "most likely", the investigation would have helped with such analytical talents.

[tol100v]

Quote: Black_Jacket

I love when a couple of sentences already describe the likely picture in the spirit of "most likely",

Almost in the spirit of the State Department! Something like: - "based on reliable rumors, we declare ....!"

[DEPARTMENT]

Quotation: blooded man

Most likely the Russian officer shot the Chechens WHO PUT ON IT OR MAY EVEN WORSE. Patience is not eternal, and not all Russian officers are ready to bear humiliation.

I agree with you .. Rather, that was all!
Memory, she remained .. Nerves handed over to letekha see! Oh, how the hell are humiliating us ..

[alexhol]

Or maybe everything is easier? We don’t remember the reason for the murder of the family in Armenia by the Russian military?

[Svetlana]

Quote: alexhol

Or maybe everything is easier? We don’t remember the reason for the murder of the family in Armenia by the Russian military?

Are you sure that it was there as we were voiced? I personally will never believe this nonsense.

[Baloo]

Quote: alexhol

Or maybe everything is easier? We don’t remember the reason for the murder of the family in Armenia by the Russian military?

Type was offended and decided to dump in Turkey, but the Armenians did not give clothes, food, money?
There is another version:
-The boy was registered with a psychiatrist ...
Dad, leader of the local Baptist sect ...
-crime happened on the day of the sect ...
There are more questions than answers. With my peace-loving character and not conflicting when confronted with irreconcilable injustice, I experience a state of cold rage. Once he threw two out of the tram, so one almost got under the wheels - his left foot was jammed with doors and dragged him.
Tired after duty. And then two began to make fun of the conductor and the driver, did not want to pay the fare. When one grabbed the old woman’s conductor and started shaking her and screaming that he had passed two Chechnya, his homeland must, I could not stand it. But then I thought, what if I pulled the second one under the tram?
What happened is incomprehensible, we must wait, there is little information to draw conclusions.

[Victorio]

Quotation: blooded man

Most likely the Russian officer shot the Chechens WHO PUT ON IT OR MAY EVEN WORSE. Patience is not eternal, and not all Russian officers are ready to bear humiliation.

===
native of dagestan

[sir_obs]

Well, the reason probably was

And if this happened, for example, in Pskov? would there be no reason?
There is always a reason, but why immediately draw conclusions based on some kind of own templates?
I had a Chechen friend in my school years, when I happened to get into a mess in a strange area, all the Russians fled and he alone, stood back to back, although he knew very well that he could suffer very slightly. And very often in life, Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Ossetians helped me. But the "compatriots", often substituted the leg.

[co-creator]

Quote: sir_obs

And very often in life, Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Ossetians helped me. But the "compatriots", often substituted the leg.

another daughter of an officer. What your bosses can not come up with anything new?

[insular]

Quote: sir_obs

I had a Chechen friend in my school years, when I happened to get into a mess in a strange area, all the Russians ran away and only he was alone, stood back to back to me

And you come in and read what these friends of yours write on their forums, just so that later they wouldn’t be with dill - "we were suddenly betrayed."
If you think that with the end of the second campaign and the filling up of the republic with money, everything is over, then you are mistaken.
They carefully plug our mouths, supposedly inciting hatred, etc. But they don’t shut up.
It’s impossible to read all instagrams and facebook, in their branches.

[Nemesis]

I have a completely different experience with such an audience .... And as for the incident, there are a lot of different ethnic groups in the Caucasus who don’t like each other, and Dagestanis and Ingush and Chechens didn’t get along .... I’m with a Russian guy, together, once, at 6 I went, got it ... and we dispersed them ... This is a matter of chance.

[vodkinmotors1]

In-in! No comment

[Will]

And it’s true - EVERY people have both HEROES and "bad" ones. It is a pity that the latter for some reason is more often remembered. Probably because they are still an exception to the rule.

[filimonych14]

The darkness ... Itself was in such a situation ... BUT there were no bloodshed.

[Finches]

We must wait for the results of the investigation, in order to draw more or less correct conclusions about the reasons ... But the lieutenant .... However, after the dissolution of military schools, where the staffing of the Internal Troops, the democratic transformation of the remnants came from ..., this is generally not surprising! I’ll even allow myself to say one thing - the GDP of a civilian jacket, KGB schools, the Minister of Defense - a clean jacket, the army is judged only by the site and the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper, the Internal Forces are struggling to catch up - who are they, the former Ministry of Internal Affairs? Or the Rossgvard still not understood ... In short, this is our life, under the name - permanent reforms of power structures! Even the wise Joseph Vissarionovich suffered the same garbage, but Alozich, he quickly landed ... God forbid we pass this bowl ... .

[Lexa-149]

The shooter is a Dagestan. This happened in 46 OBRON.

[Juborg]

Ramzan scored Wahhabis in the army, now we are reaping the benefits.

[Viktor.12.71]

Ramzan has a short conversation with the Wahhabis.

[stas]

Victor, open your eyes. Ramzanka is the same Wahhabi as the others, only while the Tsar is feeding him.
But no matter how much you feed the wolf, he will still escape into the forest.

[BecmepH]

Quote: stas

Victor, open your eyes. Ramzanka is the same Wahhabi as the others, only while the Tsar is feeding him.
But no matter how much you feed the wolf, he will still escape into the forest.

Plus

[insular]

Quote: Viktor.12.71

Ramzan has a short conversation with the Wahhabis.

Has he changed his shoes long ago?

[TsUS-Air Force]

judging by your pursuit here you are a noble verbiage. I respect Ramzan! looking at the exalted situation in Ukraine, no matter how much we kissed them in the ass, they don’t like everything. but in Chechnya we fought in general, and the propaganda against us was very strong, but now let the peace be strained, and ours will not die there, and even if we have a different attitude towards us. compare with today's Ukraine and tell me what is better than a bad world or a good war?

[alexxxxz]

If we talk about verbiage, I suggest that you first decide who is “ours” and who is “not ours”. Here in Chechnya five died at a time. Our? Like ours ...

[alexxxxz]

And all five were shot like dogs. Here is just one small nuance, in peacetime, armed officers do not go to the unit. Nachkar had nothing to do there. So it was the duty officer on the part. Now the situation is clearer?

[kirgiz58]

Quote: alexxxz

And all five were shot like dogs. Here is just one small nuance, in peacetime, armed officers do not go to the unit. Nachkar had nothing to do there. So it was the duty officer on the part. Now the situation is clearer?

I completely described my situevina, only I had puppies from Dagestan, after a shot up they were fucked up and began to wipe the grub on the stairs with their pants. Everything passed by me, documents for counting were already gone, but a friend of the NRAV drove the cartridge of the same batch, and the regiment commander (my former ward) closed up a hole in the morning and everything was covered. Specialists, of course, found out, but they didn’t raise a wave, they saw and got them.

[ver_]

..the Specialists have their own reason ..

[zoolu350]

Are you hinting at consent to an "art knock"?

[BecmepH]

Quote: alexxxz

And all five were shot like dogs. Here is just one small nuance, in peacetime, armed officers do not go to the unit. Nachkar had nothing to do there. So it was the duty officer on the part. Now the situation is clearer?

But it’s possible to open a rzhkomnat-cleaning weapons on schedule.

[alexxxxz]

Aha ha! The key word is SCHEDULED. And no one will open a weapon for a drunken officer. Be he even the pope of Rome! Just out of a sense of self-preservation ...

[BecmepH]

Quote: alexxxz

Aha ha! The key word is SCHEDULED. And no one will open a weapon for a drunken officer. Be he even the pope of Rome! Just out of a sense of self-preservation ...

And if he discovered for himself, being in the outfit ... And who told you that he was drunk? The execution could be planned and then the timetable is in place. You have taken on the role of the most correct commentator. You judge the situation from the height of experience acquired at the “term”. How many years ago did you serve?

[alexxxxz]

If he is dressed, then he is already armed. Why would he open a weapon? You calm down already. There is no need to pull by the ears. And about the “right commentator,” you will object to my opinion on the merits. And then you are talking about all kinds of rubbish about the technicians of the company and other ancient rubbish. And I did not serve the urgent. Not by rank. But your "competent" opinions are just like impressions of the urgency of 40 years ago.

[BecmepH]

And how is the jacket different from the conscript?))) Two years passed by a fool, and now think yourself a strategist)))) You began to invent different versions of fantasy and different versions. And in a peremptory tone. I was just trying to show you that there may be other versions, and you "got wild" and turned to personalities. Yes, some kind of technique was dragged here. There was no dialogue with you about this. And in this matter you are a jacket. Learn the materiel. I’ll no longer enter into a polemic with you, boring and disgusting ...

[alexxxxz]

Quote: BecmepH

And who told you that he was drunk?

And who told you that he was sober? So the text of the news said that he was drunk. Is not it so? What are you pulling me into sophistry all the time?

[eng]

the donkey loaded with gold opens any enemy gate this world is bought. Mongolotars also did not attack Russia while it regularly paid tribute

[Hurricane70]

Quote: NIKNN

Darkness ... well, the reason probably was ... Maybe a run over from local hot guys ... The local serve ...

Only they will not tell us the truth! We do not have local "hot" guys ...

[Svetlana]

Quote: Hurricane70

Quote: NIKNN

Darkness ... well, the reason probably was ... Maybe a run over from local hot guys ... The local serve ...

Only they will not tell us the truth! We do not have local "hot" guys ...

They will not tell, of course, therefore, and, as usual, it remains only to make assumptions based on the facts that are known to everyone and elementary logic.

[alexxxxz]

What is there to guess? And so everything is clear! The officer on duty revealed massive violations of the internal order. In an attempt to restore this very order, the officer was covered and he opened fire on slobs to kill. What such slobs did, in essence, is not important. The officer was wrong in any way.

[BecmepH]

Ida in the "Battle of psychics"

[alexxxxz]

Only after you!

[zoolu350]

Only one of the very possible versions, personal motives, crime are also suitable, well, politics can be pulled in order to hide the first three reasons.

[Kerensky]

Let's wait for the information.

[TsUS-Air Force]

I agree for a long time is not the 95th in the yard

[alexxxxz]

Information in the form in which you expect, you will not receive NEVER. For this is all - FRIED!

[insular]

Quote: alexxxz

NEVER

Assassin:
Marat Gadzhiev (senior lieutenant).
The dead:
Banykin Ilya Y. (captain)
Agamagomedov Khairutdin Nurmagomedovich (Sergeant)
Garachiev Ilyas Magamedmustafayevich (senior sergeant)
Baygaziev Arsen Arslambekovich (Senior Sergeant)
There is other data, according to circumstances of events, etc. other data are being specified.

If you would like to find information, then you would find it. But you want to find only FRIED, so you are not interested. Shouting "NEVER" is more important

[alexxxxz]

And what is so valuable in this information of yours that sheds light on the causes of the event? NOTHING! I do not need HaXeP to look for the names of the murdered. I just remind you that there is the concept of "dirty linen in public." That is why we will never know the TRUE reasons. Now understandable? Or will you continue to breed srach?

[Hurricane70]

Quote: juborg

Ramzan scored Wahhabis in the army, now we are reaping the benefits.

These are still flowers! One Russian general, once upon a time said clever words ... I will not say anything, you yourself know ...

[BMP-2]

Well I do not know. Usually, Russian generals always spoke smart words.

[Egorovich]

There are enough idiots everywhere, at all times. And for reasons and without.

[multiply]

the roof is going ...

[rruvim]

I think everything is tired of aging! Russian officers, and local fighters ... Not everyone has “nerves” of nerves. The main thing is that they wouldn’t "merge" the officer for the sake of tolerance, but investigate in fairness.

[WUA 518]

Quote: rruvim

I think everything is tired of aging! ABOUT

The first officer guard stood up with four Chechens for demobilization, to say that it was cool, to say nothing. But this is lyrics.
Sounded - the duty unit, it means the guard.
If the officer acted within the framework of the charter and his powers, then he would not have used weapons. Anyway, but the duties of the guard and sentry were always hammered into the head with equal success!

[alexxxxz]

“Acted within the framework of the charter and his powers” ​​is it in what charter is it allowed to shoot fighters?
“Guard duty” - and what does the UGKS say about starling with crazy eyes and a smoking pistol in his hands, not obeying orders?

[WUA 518]

Quote: alexxxz

in what charter is it allowed to shoot fighters?

In the event of an attack or an immediate threat of an attack (physical impact) on guarded objects, sentries, changing of guards (security and control group) or on the guardhouse, the head of the guard acts in accordance with the instructions and combat crew; depending on the situation, takes measures to repulse the attack, immediately reports the attack to the garrison duty officer (military commandant’s office, military unit).

[alexxxxz]

And why shouldn’t they shoot at starling then? He attacked the soldiers in the barracks. Is the barracks a guarded facility?

[WUA 518]

Quote: alexxxz

Is the barracks a guarded facility?

An interesting barracks! In my time, the dej at the school and his assistant went into the barracks. The dezh and his assistant went into the regiment. Students at the school and conscripts could be in cockpits with discharged weapons only for cleaning.

[alexxxxz]

And what is the current situation inconsistent with your ideas about the shape of the holes in the bread?

[alexxxxz]

And who told you that the starlie was the starter? )))) How did you serve that way, even if I, my jacket, see how you lounged !? ))))

[Svarog51]

Colleague Sorry, I don’t know your name. In vain do you wave your saber. Alexander AVP518 concludes on the basis of his own experience of guarding while studying at VU and, in principle, says everything correctly. Unlike him, I entered a civilian university with a military department and, in theory, could be in your place. However, in the 82nd, a resolution was issued and in the 83rd, at the end of the 1st year, I was successfully called up by the special forces to repay military duty to the Motherland. And I had to serve precisely in the company of the aerodrome guard all two years away from the homeland, already beyond two borders in Germany. So you write

Is the barracks a guarded facility?

and further you colorfully describe the arrival of guards for shots in the barracks. Well, what's the conclusion? The barracks is not a guarded facility, an outfit is serving there, but in the event of an emergency with the use of weapons it falls under the "jurisdiction" of the guard. The garrison officer is responsible for the garrison, in part his duty officer. Nachkar acts on their orders and orders, if this does not apply directly to protected objects. So the guard is, figuratively, a riot police on duty at the garrison. What about Bach-bang and "Sentry in the gun" - he ran to the fill, and thanks to the asset for the system, for he nearly shot a new divisor when he drifted at the opened object without my guard officers and did not want to wait for the person who opened the object. I had to take action. Below, colleague rruvim Roman gives reliable information from his own experience. I will subscribe to each of his words, it was the same with us, only I will have more experience of guarding. Something like that.

[alexxxxz]

So what? Am I saying something wrong? You just confirmed my literary delights. I do not dispute any experience. But I, excuse me, also have knowledge in the subject area and this cannot be taken away. And all these conversations in favor of the poor - “Yes, I! Yes, I have! Yes, in my time!”, No more than a simple nonsense. Sorry, nothing personal. What is the point of beating oneself with a heel in the chest, illuminating one’s heroic life experience, if the current situation is simple enough and you don’t have to be seven spans in your forehead to predict the course of events with a high enough probability? Evaluate the simple facts that have become known from the information message, systematize them, put them on your own experience, and you will understand the same thing as me. Look at the root!

[Svarog51]

Do I dispute your words? You have correctly described everything, the only thing I do not agree with is that the barracks are not an object guarded by a guard. A post near her is not exhibited - yes. And in the event of an emergency, an awake shift of the guard arrives at her. Actually, the entire garrison is subject to protection, only sentries are at the posts. And the rest is right. I don’t understand why you reacted so negatively. And then, very little information about what happened in the barracks. How did he manage to put four people and for what? And the fact that he himself was banged - there was no other way out. The whole alignment is unknown to us.

[alexxxxz]

So, I’m talking about that, that the barracks are the same object in the area of ​​responsibility of the guard, like the fleet of equipment, warehouses, etc. On shots to the barracks on guard the guard arrived and put the "attacker". Everything is fine. So it was supposed to happen.
And if in fact:
1. An ARMED officer for some reason opened fire on soldiers.
1.1. The reasons are unknown, but apparently they were. One can only guess why.
1.2. The officer could arm himself both illegally and quite legally by virtue of the duties performed. He was just on duty for the part and he was supposed to be armed. Is everything okay here?
1.3. out of 1.2. if the officer was in the outfit, it is quite normal that he restored order in the barracks. This is where the conflict arose. Is this imaginable? Is it logical?
1.4. It is illegal to arm yourself when entering a weapon or taking a weapon from a guard (for example) - it is quite problematic. And about this, most likely, they would say so - attacked, disarmed, used, killed. And according to the text of the news, the officer was armed by default. From which I conclude that he was standing in the outfit.
2. On duty at the location arrived duty shift of the guard. This is normal? Does anyone cause indignation?
2.1. The guard did not understand, was taken aback, frightened and opened fire on defeat at the officer.
2.2. The officer did not comply with the demand of the guard to disarm and was laid in place according to the UGKS. This is normal? Does anyone mind?
3. Managed to put 4 people because he was armed and offended by these 4. Does anyone mind?
3.1. Perhaps one of these 4 "came under the hand." Is it possible?
4. The news that the officers were going to be fired for some misconduct does not hold water for the simple reason that someone would put a line on two in an outfit, for this is both a weapon and responsibility and possible hemorrhoids. Do you agree?
5. Then what is the whole srach about me? That I am the first to soberly assess the situation right away? Ah, comrade officers? But what about "Assess the situation, make a decision, issue a combat order"?
In short, gentlemen serving, serving and couch experts - relax already! But the whole truth, I warn you, we will no longer learn from official sources, for each such source will cover its F as much as possible and lie for the sake of it like a gray gelding.
All! We diverge. Potryndely and that's enough! There is nothing to continue dancing on bones! Five mothers have grief.

[Cutter]

That something like this.

I will subscribe to every word of yours, Serega !!!

[alexxxxz]

Bored? Forward to the report on the citizen!

[rruvim]

I agree. But for some reason he was eliminated.

[alexxxxz]

Imagine yourself at the place of the guard ... you are awake in the guard, do not touch anyone, here bang! somewhere from the side of the barracks, then bang-bang-bang-bang! Nachkar yells, "A guard in a gun!" and runs out of the guardhouse. You and his friend are behind him. Run like that, run, the fantasy of the picture draws one brighter than the other. You run up to the barracks and ... some starle falls out of the barracks, but you didn’t drink vodka with all of them. A platoon, some, it seems, or a company ... but how many of them are in your unit! All shakes, in the hands of a gun. Nachkar stood up and screamed “Stop!” I’ll shoot! ” And your knees are already shaking, and this nachkar is shouting like a fool ... "Drop the gun" - the yachkar is yelling. And then this incomprehensible starle takes and raises this gun to the level of aiming and directs you so beautiful. AND? Your actions? On the phone for YouTube you will shoot how they kill you or shoot from the machine?
PySy. Well, what did you say normally? Believable?

[rruvim]

I was at the end of the guard service. A month somewhere, on the "nightstand" at the banner at the headquarters, because a sergeant. At the "first" site in Kazakhstan. It was a “punishment” to the entire electronic warhead (someone overdid it). There were 12 of us soldiers and sergeants and eight officers. The charter of the guard duty was memorized. Still, almost all university students. And with us the "conscription" passed and our officers. Regardless of rank: from starling to the chief of the EW unit, Major Khalliulov. In a month, there wasn’t anything, not even an emergency with a shot about a “bulletproof gun”, because of inexperience, because we didn’t see AKM at the “points” in our eyes. And we never saw our officers drunk, although they thumped terribly in the officer dormitory. Even one or two cases of falling asleep in the guard were “jammed”, and if they saw that the subordinate (namely the subordinate) and not the ephemeral soldier were not able to pass the “perimeter” at night, they replaced him. At the same time, they did not appoint, as according to the charter, but asked for volunteers. It was harder for us sergeants on the “nightstand” with the “button” to stand for two hours in a fucking “parade” with a “Kalash” behind us. Moreover, the headquarters duty officer was not our officer. But a month they “chopped off” the service and left for the “desert” to their stations. Our Node even received gratitude that everything went without "serious" state of emergency. So, I can’t imagine what was written above ...

[alexxxxz]

But I can’t imagine how the entire electronic warfare assembly is being removed for some kind of mythical punishment for an incomprehensible misconduct. Just think too much! Eka is unseen!
I have only one question for your tearful story - and who in your absence served on the EW site? ))))) You can not answer. And so everything is clear.

[rruvim]

Tuesday and Thursday, "firing" From "Sentry and into the steppe! On our main point - the position of" well "(there three fighters were always with a" replacement "), on the" Vega "200th (there is a diesel and a station), 300 -th (1RL22 was advanced in two Urals), 75th (diesel and station in caponier). After the "firing", the next day at the evening divorce in the "parade" and in the Karaul. The first platform (where the guard was carried) from ours " points "was equidistant to 12 km. But 12 km along the" Betpak-Dale "two hours in the back. Therefore, everyone thought that we were" punished "by the guard.

[alexxxxz]

He himself wrote:

Quote: rruvim

A month somewhere, on the "nightstand" at the banner at the headquarters, because a sergeant. At the "first" site in Kazakhstan. It was a “punishment” to the entire electronic warhead.

Confused? )))))))))))))

[rruvim]

A month, this does not mean 24-hours a day all 30 days. In addition, the RTR (repair and maintenance company) and the KPT company (command center of the center) and several other units went to the "guard".

[BecmepH]

AND? Your actions? On the phone for YouTube you will shoot how they kill you or shoot from the machine?

Straight Daria Dontsova .... I would, for starters, fall to the ground.

or company

Starley company? You sure

a jacket,

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: BecmepH

I would, for starters, fall to the ground.

It is right.

Quote: BecmepH

Starley company? You are definitely a jacket

Ahem ... well, my company was starlier ... until I got the captain. So what?
And zampotech companies - he was generally a letekha ... so what?
In vain you ran over, IMHO

[BecmepH]

Ahem ... well, my company was starlier ... until I got the captain. So what?

Same exception

And zampotech companies - he was generally a letekha ... so what?

And this, if I’m not mistaken, is an ensign in general.
I do not know how it is now, but before my resignation (December 2011), the junior officers were glad to serve in sergeant posts. Well, to starle in a captain’s position ... a fairy tale.
And now there are not enough officers?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: BecmepH

Same exception

I don’t know how and where now, but 30 years ago and in the 4th Guards Named Andropov it was, rather, the rule.
In the battalion, when I arrived there, all three of the companies were older.
Kombat, though - the whole major

Quote: BecmepH

And this, if I’m not mistaken, is generally an ensign

You are mistaken. And in the motorized infantry, and in tanks - the officer.

Quote: BecmepH

to starle in the captain’s position ... a fairy tale.

Well, in this fairy tale I lived

[BecmepH]

[quote] You are mistaken. Both in the motorized infantry and in the tanks - the officer. [/ QuoteAs far as I remember, there is no ZKV in the companies, and there is the position of TECHNICIAN OF THE COMPANY and this is the position of ensign or art. warrant officer

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: BecmepH

As far as I remember ...

You have an interesting manege of conversation ...
Instead of finding and posting a picture with the structure of a tank and a motorized rifle mouth (it’s definitely on the Internet, it cannot but have it), for some reason you’re sharing your memories ...

[BecmepH]

You have an interesting manege of conversation ...
Instead of finding and posting a picture with the structure of a tank and a motorized rifle mouth (it’s definitely on the Internet, it cannot but have it), for some reason you’re sharing your memories ...

Estimate, I’ll say the same about you. Only my memories five years ago, and yours

and 30 years ago

Why should I spread it? I, before entering into an argument, was convinced. And then, you never know what. Suddenly everything changed in 5-6 years

[alexxxxz]

Quote: BecmepH

Starley company? You sure
a jacket,

Mr. WesterN, you amaze me with your childish naivety.
To clarify to you the essence of your childhood misconceptions, I want to bring to you a number of simple facts that are understandable even to children:
1. All captains / majors / colonels / generals when they were senior lieutenants;
2. The specifics of the service is such that the officers are first appointed to the post, and then they are assigned the military rank corresponding to it; True, there are still a number of nuances, but children do not understand this.
"I would, for a start, fall to the ground" - fall right now because in hindsight all are smart. And a man with a gun in his hands is not the same as a man without a gun. Self-perception is a bit different.

[BecmepH]

1. All captains / majors / colonels / generals when they were senior lieutenants;

This, yes)))

2. The specifics of the service is such that the officers are first appointed to the post, and then they are assigned the military rank corresponding to it; True, there are still a number of nuances, but children do not understand this.

Well yes. Just what are you doing this ?. A company officer is a captain's position. And he leaves for this post with an older couple of weeks. Because of this, do you argue before redness ?. As a rule, documents for appointment go to documents and title.

fall right now for hindsight are all smart.

Yes, not smart, but instinctive reflexes. The instinct of self-preservation. And you get the answer to his shots with a gun and shaking the pendulum you release the entire store into it? Hero! Did you hear the bullet whistling over your head? It's VERY hard to get used to. The head itself bends, although you are sitting in cover

[alexxxxz]

Quote: BecmepH

A company officer is a captain's position. And he leaves for this post with an older couple of weeks. Because of this, do you argue before redness ?. As a rule, documents for the appointment go to the documents and title

Are you completely stupid? Let’s give you such a situation. The captain-company goes to study at the academy. You need to put someone in the company. Whom? OK! We put the platoon 1, he is sensible, he can handle it. And he only received a starley month ago. And what, in your opinion, will they immediately assign a cap? And here are the figurines!

[BecmepH]

Are you completely stupid?

They don’t enter the academy in a week. Slightly less than a year has already begun "dvizhuhi." documents, medical board. Then, if accepted, the position becomes vacant. And before that, there are already a lot of applicants for this position. And your starle, the commander of the 1st platoon, is not even visible, because he's at the tail. Learn materiel, jacket)))

[alexxxxz]

Very convincing! Sit down, five! Here is just one maaaaaalenky moment! The movement begins long, but the challenge to the academy comes unexpectedly, as always. )))) Eshsperd! And the position of company commander is SUCH sweet-sweet that all the deputy technicians of the regiment are lining up for her and stand impatiently beating and praying that the head of the RAV division service would not find out about the vacancy. He will spoil raspberries all at once!
What are you carrying??? What kind of muyin ?????? !!!! What a bunch of candidates for the company commander ??? To the most dog post ... What, three platoon lieutenants - is that a heap? Or take immediately for the regiment? Or, then, let’s sweep for the division? What are the little things?

[alexxxxz]

Quote: BecmepH

and shaking the pendulum release

Shaking the pendulum ??? Where did you get this vulgarity? Have you read books about August 44th? Izide, company technician, senior warrant officer of the mattress troops!
Comrades, ban this sofa troll! Well, there’s no strength anymore! .. He didn’t even see the army on TV.

[BecmepH]

Mr. WesterN,

Better, comrade.

[alexxxxz]

Tambov Wolf comrade to you, troll!

[vodkinmotors1]

And the shoig was a lieutenant? Stroybata :))

[Herculesic]

It’s bad, the world there is still in power of Kadyrov’s teip, and the world is relative! There are many former militants in power there, but nothing like 7,62 mm will at least “reassure” them!

[sergo1914]

Quote: Herkulesich

It’s bad, the world there is still in power of Kadyrov’s teip, and the world is relative! There are many former militants in power there, but nothing like 7,62 mm will at least “reassure” them!

Why only 7,62? Think narrowly. There are 122, 152, 203 ...

[Krasnyiy komissar]

Still there are 220, 240 and 300 mm "gifts" of heaven.

[Svarog51]

They forgot the Yamomotu, everything is there 460 mm.

[Krasnyiy komissar]

The battleship was called Yamato, and Yamamoto was the Japanese admiral.

[Svarog51]

Exactly, you are absolutely right. I apologize for getting along.

[Viktor.12.71]

And what do you suggest? Good war than a bad world? I heard the news for a long time that Ramzan special forces trains, even built a training center. I think it’s too late to reassure someone there, in the mountains fighting is still a task.

[WUA 518]

Quote: Viktor.12.71

I heard the news for a long time that Ramzan special forces train, even built a training center

There are several of them, a new one under Gudermes with an area of ​​400 hectares.
Trainers from "Alpha" and "Pennant."

[Viktor.12.71]

Wow, everything is serious, given that they obey only Ramzan. I thought there was a more modest scale.

[Holoy]

Rosguard honored assignee of the BB ... Previously, in the BB in their very most Elite Division. Dzerzhinsky in Balashikha and Reutov often had an emergency. Once one half a year before being transferred to the reserve (stores were preparing for firing ranges), he shot two colleagues and dumped 600 rounds of ammunition ...

[Holoy]

There they have some kind of bad Karma, or traditions are "supported" ... (((
Apparently you need to make adjustments to the command structure at all levels, or, more simply, to disperse!

[alexxxxz]

To disperse, nafig, the whole army and new insane to get mixed up with the normal?

[alexxxxz]

What are we talking about! Where there is a weapon, there is death. So it was, is and will be. And how many cases of spontaneous, random shots in the guards and at the posts unknown to the public? And how many foolish lieutenants shot themselves from unhappy love? Such is SelVi!

[vodkinmotors1]

Expected. The cop cannot be called a soldier. How much to repeat !! This is the Ministry of Internal Affairs !!

[Grim Reaper]

AND.....? Continue your thought.

[alexxxxz]

Yes there is no thought there! One smell!

[Svarog51]

And now the showdown at the very top in the Russian Guard. OMON was included in the Russian Guard, the efficiency of its use by operas dropped below the plinth, and instead of combat training, officers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs are taught to make a bed in the barracks. When the fire department was handed over to the Ministry of Emergencies, the same thing happened. The reorganization began on an army basis. "You cannot harness a horse and a trembling doe into one carriage." Combat crews have been reduced to a minimum, but the management staff, it would be better if I hadn’t seen this ... Now it’s kind of “crushed”, a lot of new equipment, and the people basically changed.

[Achtaba1970]

In the Federal Law "On the status of military personnel", military personnel include, in addition to those serving in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, also in the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs

[vodkinmotors1]

That's exactly "more."
2

[Kelevro]

Of course you're right. But for example, for 6 years I had weapons on constant wear, and the bandits were detained 3 times a week without a gathering and riot police. So I saw, I know and can do more than many MO officers.

[Grim Reaper]

Alas. Yes, it happens. No one is insured. Perhaps voices will come into anyone's house, provide irrefutable evidence and put an ax in their hands. Alas ..... it happens.

[Evgenivn1974]

Not even a “voice” is obligatory, but bad news can be — the death of a father, mother, child, separation from a woman! And under stress, anything can play the role of the "last drop" ...

[Evgenivn1974]

Anything can happen! Let the command investigate and draw conclusions! Previously, such cases also happened repeatedly - and in the relatively prosperous 1980s, VV soldiers shot fellow soldiers, and in the 1990s, there were many such cases (both with officers and soldiers). Let's hope - they’ll figure out what’s the matter and such situations will not be allowed! And about the fact that “Russians” or “non-Russians” - do not arrange a “showdown of the wounded” (“they oppress us”, “Chechen bandits”, “Russian chauvinists”)! A Georgian, a Chechen, a Russian, or any other can experience a nervous breakdown, it all depends on the situation! A friend of mine (sergeant) said that during a service in the 1990s in the North Caucasus Military District, an ordinary Chechen had a nervous breakdown and took a colleague in the camp, didn’t give up, he had to be eliminated by a sniper. And by the way, this guy (Chechen) was quite normal before this incident, not aggressive, sociable, played the guitar, did not hold any radical views, and served honestly! So it happens! What influenced his behavior? Bad news? Relatives? Unknown ...

[private person]

In Chechnya? Rosguard? Don’t tell Kadyrovspetsnaz there.

[s9883300]

It seems you were there !? There the 46th brigade of the Russian Guard is stationed.

[stolz]

Quote: Black_Jacket

And is there already information that the shooter was not from the locals, but the victims were all locals?
Maybe from those who joined the "truly Orthodox" or stupidly dzhigit with impaired pride. Now just guess.

Here, religion and nationalism do not need to be pulled here by the ears, what does it have to do with it? After all, the Rosguard is yesterday’s cops, and it doesn’t matter where and whom to shoot, there are already many such cases. It is necessary to educate them and select better ones for the service.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Stolz

Here, religion and nationalism do not need to be pulled here by the ears, what does it have to do with it?

Correctly. The cook is to blame.

[Viktor.12.71]

Well, there he put his co-religionists. I heard that the Chechens of the Dagestanis do not like and vice versa, nationalism is not doing well.

[vodkinmotors1]

Not a cook, but a coke :))

[nikvic46]

It is difficult to draw conclusions from this tragic information. One thing I will say is that this does not happen in a normal army.

[alexxxxz]

You might think that this does not happen in other armies! Googled yourself, or need help? Who here, in general, let the children go?

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: nikvic46

It is difficult to draw conclusions from this tragic information. One thing I will say is that this does not happen in a normal army.

and nitsche that at Americans in peacetime in the oceans collide the "coolest" warships with the result of dozens of corpses ??? is this normal for a normal army ???

[mavrus]

Quotation: blooded man

Most likely the Russian officer shot the Chechens WHO PUT ON IT OR MAY EVEN WORSE. Patience is not eternal, and not all Russian officers are ready to bear humiliation.

Yeah, almost guessed ...
I cannot say what nationality this “Russian officer” is, but this is a native of Dagestan, Lieutenant Gadzhiev.

[panov_panov]

It turned out that the Dagestan was dismissed from service, thus noted his dismissal. (

[alexxxxz]

This is the version for fools. )))) And only ... believe it.

[alexxxxz]

Quote: mavrus

a native of Dagestan, Lieutenant Gadzhiev.

Five points!

[alexxxxz]

In fill! Straight Hollywood! Dangling like that, drunk, in part, “Give” thinks: “I’ll take Stechkin in the arms, but I’ll shoot someone.” Look, and here the open arms are standing! Well, he took it and went ... and then like in a movie. Just a group of special forces drove by ... in a submarine. But in fact, the flyer was retroactively fired, and everything else was invented to cover slovenliness. Only more, from excessive zeal, skeletons from the locker were pulled.

[TsUS-Air Force]

anything can be ....

[alexxxxz]

That's just such nonsense can not be BY DEFINITION!

[alexxxxz]

Quote: mavrus

What nationality is this "Russian officer"

And rightly so! In Dagestan, more than 30 nationalities live!

[alexxxxz]

Quote: WUA 518

Sounded - the duty unit, it means the guard

Well, it would be strange if the first to arrive at the scene was not the guard, but Greenpeace, for example. Truth?

[co-creator]

Quote: NOC-VVS

http://artofwar.ru/j/jakowenko_p_w/geroismutnogov
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the link is broken, give another or how to score in google

[voyaka uh]

They wanted to fire him, he went to sort it out. He wanted to kill a senior officer, he was interrupted. Shot a lieutenant and three soldiers.
This is from Lenta.ru

[aiden]

Maybe similar to this, everything was

[7gor]

It was similar when seventy on the parade ground attacked seventy! In 2000, Severomorsk, it was a pity that there were no phones to take off and show you this, and it was busy fighting back!

[aiden]

And because of what began?

[Kunica]

Not enough information. To think for yourself in such matters is a thankless task.

[ver_]

Quote: insular

Quote: Viktor.12.71

Ramzan has a short conversation with the Wahhabis.

Has he changed his shoes long ago?

Quote: stas

Victor, open your eyes. Ramzanka is the same Wahhabi as the others, only while the Tsar is feeding him.
But no matter how much you feed the wolf, he will still escape into the forest.

... this is goat furstein ..

[Hurricane70]

Quote: BMP-2

Well I do not know. Usually, Russian generals always spoke smart words.

What a strange comment? "Well I do not know..."
So find out, eprst !!! Or do you not know which name to drive into the search? I suggest - Ermolov!
Commentators, damn it, they don’t understand what it’s about, but everything needs to be written at least ...

[tolmachiev51]

Sucks !!! Apparently there are no options left.

[7gor]

Hmm, kink, don’t toss bags!

[vnord]

Quotation: blooded man

Most likely the Russian officer shot the Chechens WHO PUT ON IT OR MAY EVEN WORSE. Patience is not eternal, and not all Russian officers are ready to bear humiliation

There was already an info officer Starley Dagestan.

[alexxxxz]

Quote: BecmepH

I don’t know how now, but before my resignation (December 2011)

What is such a difficult health situation that they immediately dismissed, bypassing enrollment?

[ASDik37]

On the network, such a document walks around:

[alexxxxz]

If everything was so, then this is a thriller with western elements. Only one question - where did the unhappy senior lieutenant walk all these 7 minutes since the opening of the fire? And what a strange wording “during the divorce of the daily dress for the senior lieutenant’s service, fire was opened from among the persons of the daily dress” My cried. Those. indiscriminate firing in the unit, and the nachkar calmly conducts a divorce and waits for the killer to come out on him? So what?

[Lexa-149]

It is worth noting that the guy was getting ready.
And there is a gross violation: the CWC was not closed from the inside when recounting weapons.

[avatar123]

now little can be said for sure about those minute events.
One thing I can say: the Russian guy, Ilya Banykin, was a good, non-conflict person. Count the first day, and that's how it happened. He went to Chechnya without enthusiasm, but so ordered, and he is a military man. There was a wife and a daughter.

[Magomed Ramazanov_2]

The reason is simple. The commander of the unit, with his regular and prolonged mockeries of the simple, brought the young lieutenant to the state of effect that his roof had moved off. The commander of this unit, a rare skatina and the Nazi. His behavior and slander, he brought many to dismissal. In short, the Russian Guard is still anarchy. I think this is not the last incident when they shoot at their own.

[anjela]

Good evening everyone. Mohammed You are right. Everything was just that. Gadzhiev M. is a close relative of mine. This man brought him to this. His wife also remained at home. Never did he, by deed, even with a word, offend a person. Two years ago, he lost his mother. The new commander who interceded with them did not give them life, including him. Gadzhiev lived with his wife there. And this cattle evict his wife and forced to send her home. Motivating by the fact that he personally has lived without his wife for 12 years. And from their room he was going to do something. They write that he was drunk. Not true. He never drank. And he didn’t even smoke. All the positive characteristics of him. And everything is just in shock from what happened. He was an honest, responsible person. Always calm. A man who could control himself. But that man pissed him off. All of us relatives know that the new commander is to blame. Let everything remain on his conscience. Why are these transferred to the bosses in part.