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In Chechnya, an officer of the Rosguard opened fire on fellow soldiers

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From the Chechen Republic, reports of the tragic incident with servicemen of the Rosguard come. RIA News reports that one of the soldiers shot their fellow 4's colleagues. It is noted that the shooter himself was eventually eliminated by representatives of the duty unit.


In Chechnya, an officer of the Rosguard opened fire on fellow soldiers


The official representative of the department of the Rosguards notes that the shooting took place in the barracks of the military unit of the North Caucasus Federal District. It is noteworthy that the officer who fired was the senior lieutenant.

According to updated data, the shooting occurred in the military unit located in the settlement Shelkovskaya approximately in 16: 00 local time.

In fact, the incident began verification. A criminal case. The work begins a special commission of the Central Office of the Rosguards. The commission also includes specialists from the department’s psychological department.
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  1. NIKNN
    NIKNN 23 October 2017 19: 34
    24
    Darkness ... well, the reason probably was ... Maybe a run over from local hot guys ... The local serve ...
    1. Black_Vatnik
      Black_Vatnik 23 October 2017 19: 39
      11
      And is there already information that the shooter was not from the locals, but the victims were all locals?
      Maybe from those who joined the "truly Orthodox" or stupidly dzhigit with impaired pride. Now just guess.
      1. NIKNN
        NIKNN 23 October 2017 19: 40
        +3
        Quote: Black_Jacket
        Now just guess

        Why guess? They say .... maybe ...
        1. Monos
          Monos 23 October 2017 20: 41
          +8
          The 6791 military unit is located in the village of Shelkovskaya, on which the units of the 46 separate operational brigade of the National Guard are based.
          1. Partyzan
            Partyzan 23 October 2017 21: 11
            +6
            Quote: Monos
            units of the 46th separate operational brigade of the National Guard are based.

            Victor hi Can I ask a modest question? about this Islam-what can he say? or was he just taught to read?
            1. Monos
              Monos 23 October 2017 21: 14
              +9
              Greetings Bob! hi
              From myself it is fraught to speak. Ramzan may not understand it. smile
              1. Partyzan
                Partyzan 23 October 2017 21: 17
                +8
                Quote: Monos
                Greetings Bob! hi
                From myself it is fraught to speak. Ramzan may not understand it. smile

                this is the problem of Ramzan, even if he teaches at least to take his eyes off a piece of paper, and pretend - I speak from memory, I'm afraid to make a mistake, so I look at my text hi
                1. Cutter
                  Cutter 23 October 2017 21: 40
                  +6
                  Volodya hi , did not have time to answer on that branch. Rr-glad to meet a comrade, did not know! request Now I understand how "multifaceted" our comrades are !!! good hi Sincerely ...
                  1. Partyzan
                    Partyzan 24 October 2017 12: 08
                    +4
                    Quote: Cutter
                    Volodya, did not have time to answer on that branch

                    Sanya hi drinks
          2. Will
            Will 24 October 2017 12: 08
            +1
            Has anything changed in two years? sad
      2. co-creator
        co-creator 23 October 2017 19: 42
        26
        Most likely the Russian officer shot the Chechens WHO PUT ON IT OR MAY EVEN WORSE. Patience is not eternal, and not all Russian officers are ready to bear humiliation.
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 23 October 2017 19: 48
          27
          You made an assumption and based on this draw conclusions.
          1. Partyzan
            Partyzan 23 October 2017 19: 53
            14
            Quote: Sith Lord
            You made an assumption and based on this draw conclusions.

            you don’t need to guess at the coffee grounds, or it may turn out to be not an officer, and not a Rosgvardia, and did not shoot, but everything is right request
            1. Cutter
              Cutter 23 October 2017 20: 28
              12
              Quote: Partyzan
              Quote: Sith Lord
              You made an assumption and based on this draw conclusions.

              you don’t need to guess at the coffee grounds, or it may turn out to be not an officer, and not a Rosgvardia, and did not shoot, but everything is right request

              That's right, guessing is not worth it. hi In the Soviet Union, cadets of military schools (maybe not all) underwent professional psychological selection. We had a very tough summer heat, and they ask you questions, sometimes to which you already answered. You answer in writing. You solve some arithmetic-geometric problems. I don’t know how the Russian brothers have now, we have seams with this business !!! The teaching staff works seriously mainly only for our "specialists", and for the special forces of the explosives. The rest ... soldier BUT ... It is necessary to DO it, colleagues, and to us including you !!!! EVERYONE of us, who considers himself a warrior, MUST explain to any young one why the Motherland is such, why they do not like it (?), And WHY IT SHOULD BE PROTECTED!
              Maybe not right ... but I think so. yes soldier
              1. Partyzan
                Partyzan 23 October 2017 20: 35
                +7
                Quote: Cutter
                Maybe not right ... but I think so.

                Sanya is right, but you know what kind of mu ... 3 years ago we were taken to a military school from us? my nephew from the first year (first semester) left there when I asked him why - the answer is stupid people, (he is a boxer), they don't have a fizuha or a mind, they just knock, you’ll give me a mug in the face - already consider it in an outfit, like that hi hi
                1. Cutter
                  Cutter 23 October 2017 22: 58
                  +7
                  Volodya, let’s tell you more !!!! True, about 15 years ago, but these "cadets" today are "battalion commanders." Kapets, chewed snot ... belay
                2. BecmepH
                  BecmepH 24 October 2017 05: 46
                  +2
                  in the face you give a freak - already count in the outfit, in so
                  And my son finished in 2015. In the face you give a freak and you are fired.
            2. Semen Semyonitch
              Semen Semyonitch 24 October 2017 05: 21
              +1
              Quote: Partyzan
              Quote: Sith Lord
              You made an assumption and based on this draw conclusions.

              you don’t need to guess at the coffee grounds, or it may turn out to be not an officer, and not a Rosgvardia, and did not shoot, but everything is right request


              Rabinovich says to Finkelstein: "Have you heard that Tsiperovich won five thousand rubles in poker?" To which Finkelstein replies: "Not at poker, but at the races, not five thousand rubles, but a hundred, and did not win, but lost, and so everything is correct"
          2. temirtau72
            temirtau72 23 October 2017 21: 13
            22
            Vladyka, and you, as an officer, have given the debt to your homeland? And probably in the part with mostly Russian military personnel.
            I served in one of these units and I can honestly say that Chechens, especially when there are a lot of them in the unit, are frankly slaughtered for everything and everyone, including officers.
            But where they are qualitatively smaller, they really serve and they drag the strap along with everyone else.
            1. Cutter
              Cutter 23 October 2017 23: 14
              10
              Believe me, Vladyka served where necessary, and now he is where necessary. As for nationalities, as a commander, I can answer: if the commander appointed to the post is a commander (!), Then "nationalities" are all correct! Gouging-and "sieve hole" ... negative
              1. Esoteric
                Esoteric 24 October 2017 05: 15
                +4
                Quote: Cutter
                Believe me ... As for the nationalities, then as a commander, I can answer: if the commander appointed to the post is a commander (!), Then "nationalities" are all right!

                And I do not believe you. For no wonder the proverb says: “A black sheep spoils the flock” and “A spoon of tar spoils a barrel of honey” ... And, if the “black cat” ... lol
                1. Cutter
                  Cutter 24 October 2017 14: 01
                  +5
                  I emphasize - IF YOU ARE A COMMANDER (!!!!) - all are the same ...
          3. Normal ok
            Normal ok 23 October 2017 23: 19
            +3
            Quote: Lord of the Sith
            You made an assumption and based on this draw conclusions.

            But, assumptions based on our own experience and analysis, are much more believable than the official versions. Especially if they are voiced by Basurin))) - sorry could not resist)))
          4. co-creator
            co-creator 23 October 2017 23: 35
            +2
            Quote: Lord of the Sith
            You made an assumption and based on this draw conclusions.

            Of course, there is no information. I draw conclusions from the experience and realities of our army. Unfortunately for the Caucasians, Russian officers are not authorities and they are their schmucks ... they dig as well as ordinary fighters, only morally.
        2. Black_Vatnik
          Black_Vatnik 23 October 2017 19: 48
          +6
          Or a Martian spy, or an American provocateur, or the illegitimate son of Budanov takes revenge.
          I love when a couple of proposals already describe the likely picture in the spirit of "most likely", the investigation would have helped with such analytical talents.
          1. tol100v
            tol100v 23 October 2017 20: 44
            +1
            Quote: Black_Jacket
            I love when a couple of sentences already describe the likely picture in the spirit of "most likely",

            Almost in the spirit of the State Department! Something like: - "based on reliable rumors, we declare ....!"
        3. DEPARTMENT
          DEPARTMENT 23 October 2017 20: 08
          +6
          Quotation: blooded man
          Most likely the Russian officer shot the Chechens WHO PUT ON IT OR MAY EVEN WORSE. Patience is not eternal, and not all Russian officers are ready to bear humiliation.

          I agree with you .. Rather, that was all!
          Memory, she remained .. Nerves handed over to letekha see! Oh, how the hell are humiliating us .. angry
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        4. alexhol
          alexhol 23 October 2017 20: 09
          -1
          Or maybe everything is easier? We don’t remember the reason for the murder of the family in Armenia by the Russian military?
          1. Svetlana
            Svetlana 23 October 2017 20: 31
            12
            Quote: alexhol
            Or maybe everything is easier? We don’t remember the reason for the murder of the family in Armenia by the Russian military?

            Are you sure that it was there as we were voiced? I personally will never believe this nonsense.
          2. Baloo
            Baloo 23 October 2017 21: 07
            10
            Quote: alexhol
            Or maybe everything is easier? We don’t remember the reason for the murder of the family in Armenia by the Russian military?

            Type was offended and decided to dump in Turkey, but the Armenians did not give clothes, food, money?
            There is another version:
            -The boy was registered with a psychiatrist ...
            Dad, leader of the local Baptist sect ...
            -crime happened on the day of the sect ...
            There are more questions than answers. With my peace-loving character and not conflicting when confronted with irreconcilable injustice, I experience a state of cold rage. Once he threw two out of the tram, so one almost got under the wheels - his left foot was jammed with doors and dragged him.
            Tired after duty. And then two began to make fun of the conductor and the driver, did not want to pay the fare. When one grabbed the old woman’s conductor and started shaking her and screaming that he had passed two Chechnya, his homeland must, I could not stand it. But then I thought, what if I pulled the second one under the tram?
            What happened is incomprehensible, we must wait, there is little information to draw conclusions.
        5. Victorio
          Victorio 23 October 2017 22: 10
          +4
          Quotation: blooded man
          Most likely the Russian officer shot the Chechens WHO PUT ON IT OR MAY EVEN WORSE. Patience is not eternal, and not all Russian officers are ready to bear humiliation.

          ===
          native of dagestan
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    2. sir_obs
      sir_obs 23 October 2017 20: 38
      14
      Well, the reason probably was


      And if this happened, for example, in Pskov? would there be no reason?
      There is always a reason, but why immediately draw conclusions based on some kind of own templates?
      I had a Chechen friend in my school years, when I happened to get into a mess in a strange area, all the Russians fled and he alone, stood back to back, although he knew very well that he could suffer very slightly. And very often in life, Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Ossetians helped me. But the "compatriots", often substituted the leg.
      1. co-creator
        co-creator 23 October 2017 23: 44
        +6
        Quote: sir_obs
        And very often in life, Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Ossetians helped me. But the "compatriots", often substituted the leg.

        another daughter of an officer. What your bosses can not come up with anything new?
      2. insular
        insular 23 October 2017 23: 58
        +7
        Quote: sir_obs
        I had a Chechen friend in my school years, when I happened to get into a mess in a strange area, all the Russians ran away and only he was alone, stood back to back to me

        And you come in and read what these friends of yours write on their forums, just so that later they wouldn’t be with dill - "we were suddenly betrayed."
        If you think that with the end of the second campaign and the filling up of the republic with money, everything is over, then you are mistaken.
        They carefully plug our mouths, supposedly inciting hatred, etc. But they don’t shut up.
        It’s impossible to read all instagrams and facebook, in their branches.
      3. Nemesis
        Nemesis 24 October 2017 08: 49
        +2
        I have a completely different experience with such an audience .... And as for the incident, there are a lot of different ethnic groups in the Caucasus who don’t like each other, and Dagestanis and Ingush and Chechens didn’t get along .... I’m with a Russian guy, together, once, at 6 I went, got it ... and we dispersed them ... This is a matter of chance.
        1. vodkinmotors1
          vodkinmotors1 25 October 2017 17: 41
          0
          In-in! No comment
      4. Will
        Will 24 October 2017 12: 14
        +1
        And it’s true - EVERY people have both HEROES and "bad" ones. It is a pity that the latter for some reason is more often remembered. Probably because they are still an exception to the rule.
    3. filimonych14
      filimonych14 23 October 2017 20: 49
      +2
      The darkness ... Itself was in such a situation ... BUT there were no bloodshed.
    4. Finches
      Finches 23 October 2017 22: 52
      +2
      We must wait for the results of the investigation, in order to draw more or less correct conclusions about the reasons ... But the lieutenant .... However, after the dissolution of military schools, where the staffing of the Internal Troops, the democratic transformation of the remnants came from ..., this is generally not surprising! I’ll even allow myself to say one thing - the GDP of a civilian jacket, KGB schools, the Minister of Defense - a clean jacket, the army is judged only by the site and the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper, the Internal Forces are struggling to catch up - who are they, the former Ministry of Internal Affairs? Or the Rossgvard still not understood ... In short, this is our life, under the name - permanent reforms of power structures! Even the wise Joseph Vissarionovich suffered the same garbage, but Alozich, he quickly landed ... God forbid we pass this bowl ... .
    5. Lexa-149
      Lexa-149 25 October 2017 00: 01
      0
      The shooter is a Dagestan. This happened in 46 OBRON.
  2. Juborg
    Juborg 23 October 2017 19: 35
    12
    Ramzan scored Wahhabis in the army, now we are reaping the benefits.
    1. Viktor.12.71
      Viktor.12.71 23 October 2017 20: 01
      +6
      Ramzan has a short conversation with the Wahhabis.
      1. stas
        stas 23 October 2017 20: 47
        16
        Victor, open your eyes. Ramzanka is the same Wahhabi as the others, only while the Tsar is feeding him.
        But no matter how much you feed the wolf, he will still escape into the forest.
        1. BecmepH
          BecmepH 24 October 2017 05: 54
          +1
          Quote: stas
          Victor, open your eyes. Ramzanka is the same Wahhabi as the others, only while the Tsar is feeding him.
          But no matter how much you feed the wolf, he will still escape into the forest.

          Plus
      2. insular
        insular 24 October 2017 00: 02
        +6
        Quote: Viktor.12.71
        Ramzan has a short conversation with the Wahhabis.

        Has he changed his shoes long ago? wassat
    2. TsUS-Air Force
      TsUS-Air Force 23 October 2017 21: 02
      10
      judging by your pursuit here you are a noble verbiage. I respect Ramzan! looking at the exalted situation in Ukraine, no matter how much we kissed them in the ass, they don’t like everything. but in Chechnya we fought in general, and the propaganda against us was very strong, but now let the peace be strained, and ours will not die there, and even if we have a different attitude towards us. compare with today's Ukraine and tell me what is better than a bad world or a good war?
      1. alexxxz
        alexxxz 23 October 2017 21: 20
        +2
        If we talk about verbiage, I suggest that you first decide who is “ours” and who is “not ours”. Here in Chechnya five died at a time. Our? Like ours ...
        1. alexxxz
          alexxxz 23 October 2017 21: 28
          +4
          And all five were shot like dogs. Here is just one small nuance, in peacetime, armed officers do not go to the unit. Nachkar had nothing to do there. So it was the duty officer on the part. Now the situation is clearer?
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          2. kirgiz58
            kirgiz58 23 October 2017 23: 54
            10
            Quote: alexxxz
            And all five were shot like dogs. Here is just one small nuance, in peacetime, armed officers do not go to the unit. Nachkar had nothing to do there. So it was the duty officer on the part. Now the situation is clearer?

            I completely described my situevina, only I had puppies from Dagestan, after a shot up they were fucked up and began to wipe the grub on the stairs with their pants. Everything passed by me, documents for counting were already gone, but a friend of the NRAV drove the cartridge of the same batch, and the regiment commander (my former ward) closed up a hole in the morning and everything was covered. Specialists, of course, found out, but they didn’t raise a wave, they saw and got them.
            1. ver_
              ver_ 24 October 2017 03: 35
              0
              ..the Specialists have their own reason ..
              1. zoolu350
                zoolu350 24 October 2017 06: 20
                0
                Are you hinting at consent to an "art knock"?
          3. BecmepH
            BecmepH 24 October 2017 05: 56
            0
            Quote: alexxxz
            And all five were shot like dogs. Here is just one small nuance, in peacetime, armed officers do not go to the unit. Nachkar had nothing to do there. So it was the duty officer on the part. Now the situation is clearer?

            But it’s possible to open a rzhkomnat-cleaning weapons on schedule.
            1. alexxxz
              alexxxz 24 October 2017 09: 56
              0
              Aha ha! The key word is SCHEDULED. And no one will open a weapon for a drunken officer. Be he even the pope of Rome! Just out of a sense of self-preservation ...
              1. BecmepH
                BecmepH 24 October 2017 10: 22
                0
                Quote: alexxxz
                Aha ha! The key word is SCHEDULED. And no one will open a weapon for a drunken officer. Be he even the pope of Rome! Just out of a sense of self-preservation ...

                And if he discovered for himself, being in the outfit ... And who told you that he was drunk? The execution could be planned and then the timetable is in place. You have taken on the role of the most correct commentator. You judge the situation from the height of experience acquired at the “term”. How many years ago did you serve?
                1. alexxxz
                  alexxxz 24 October 2017 12: 31
                  0
                  If he is dressed, then he is already armed. Why would he open a weapon? You calm down already. There is no need to pull by the ears. And about the “right commentator,” you will object to my opinion on the merits. And then you are talking about all kinds of rubbish about the technicians of the company and other ancient rubbish. And I did not serve the urgent. Not by rank. But your "competent" opinions are just like impressions of the urgency of 40 years ago.
                  1. BecmepH
                    BecmepH 24 October 2017 12: 52
                    0
                    And how is the jacket different from the conscript?))) Two years passed by a fool, and now think yourself a strategist)))) You began to invent different versions of fantasy and different versions. And in a peremptory tone. I was just trying to show you that there may be other versions, and you "got wild" and turned to personalities. Yes, some kind of technique was dragged here. There was no dialogue with you about this. And in this matter you are a jacket. Learn the materiel. I’ll no longer enter into a polemic with you, boring and disgusting ...
                2. alexxxz
                  alexxxz 24 October 2017 12: 34
                  0
                  Quote: BecmepH
                  And who told you that he was drunk?

                  And who told you that he was sober? So the text of the news said that he was drunk. Is not it so? What are you pulling me into sophistry all the time?
      2. eng
        eng 24 October 2017 05: 27
        0
        the donkey loaded with gold opens any enemy gate this world is bought. Mongolotars also did not attack Russia while it regularly paid tribute
  3. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 23 October 2017 19: 37
    +6
    Quote: NIKNN
    Darkness ... well, the reason probably was ... Maybe a run over from local hot guys ... The local serve ...

    Only they will not tell us the truth! We do not have local "hot" guys ...
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 23 October 2017 20: 22
      +2
      Quote: Hurricane70
      Quote: NIKNN
      Darkness ... well, the reason probably was ... Maybe a run over from local hot guys ... The local serve ...

      Only they will not tell us the truth! We do not have local "hot" guys ...

      They will not tell, of course, therefore, and, as usual, it remains only to make assumptions based on the facts that are known to everyone and elementary logic.
      1. alexxxz
        alexxxz 23 October 2017 21: 57
        +1
        What is there to guess? And so everything is clear! The officer on duty revealed massive violations of the internal order. In an attempt to restore this very order, the officer was covered and he opened fire on slobs to kill. What such slobs did, in essence, is not important. The officer was wrong in any way.
        1. BecmepH
          BecmepH 24 October 2017 05: 58
          +1
          Ida in the "Battle of psychics"
          1. alexxxz
            alexxxz 24 October 2017 09: 57
            0
            Only after you!
        2. zoolu350
          zoolu350 24 October 2017 06: 23
          0
          Only one of the very possible versions, personal motives, crime are also suitable, well, politics can be pulled in order to hide the first three reasons.
  4. Kerensky
    Kerensky 23 October 2017 19: 37
    +6
    Let's wait for the information.
    1. TsUS-Air Force
      TsUS-Air Force 23 October 2017 21: 03
      0
      I agree for a long time is not the 95th in the yard
    2. alexxxz
      alexxxz 23 October 2017 21: 58
      +2
      Information in the form in which you expect, you will not receive NEVER. For this is all - FRIED!
      1. insular
        insular 24 October 2017 01: 00
        +9
        Quote: alexxxz
        NEVER

        Assassin:
        Marat Gadzhiev (senior lieutenant).
        The dead:
        Banykin Ilya Y. (captain)
        Agamagomedov Khairutdin Nurmagomedovich (Sergeant)
        Garachiev Ilyas Magamedmustafayevich (senior sergeant)
        Baygaziev Arsen Arslambekovich (Senior Sergeant)
        There is other data, according to circumstances of events, etc. other data are being specified.

        If you would like to find information, then you would find it. But you want to find only FRIED, so you are not interested. Shouting "NEVER" is more important
        1. alexxxz
          alexxxz 24 October 2017 09: 59
          0
          And what is so valuable in this information of yours that sheds light on the causes of the event? NOTHING! I do not need HaXeP to look for the names of the murdered. I just remind you that there is the concept of "dirty linen in public." That is why we will never know the TRUE reasons. Now understandable? Or will you continue to breed srach?
  5. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 23 October 2017 19: 40
    +2
    Quote: juborg
    Ramzan scored Wahhabis in the army, now we are reaping the benefits.

    These are still flowers! One Russian general, once upon a time said clever words ... I will not say anything, you yourself know ...
    1. BMP-2
      BMP-2 23 October 2017 20: 23
      +3
      Well I do not know. Usually, Russian generals always spoke smart words. request
  6. Egorovich
    Egorovich 23 October 2017 19: 42
    +6
    There are enough idiots everywhere, at all times. And for reasons and without.
  7. multipulti
    multipulti 23 October 2017 19: 44
    0
    the roof is going ...
  8. rruvim
    rruvim 23 October 2017 19: 45
    +8
    I think everything is tired of aging! Russian officers, and local fighters ... Not everyone has “nerves” of nerves. The main thing is that they wouldn’t "merge" the officer for the sake of tolerance, but investigate in fairness.
    1. WUA 518
      WUA 518 23 October 2017 20: 05
      +2
      Quote: rruvim
      I think everything is tired of aging! ABOUT

      The first officer guard stood up with four Chechens for demobilization, to say that it was cool, to say nothing. But this is lyrics.
      Sounded - the duty unit, it means the guard.
      If the officer acted within the framework of the charter and his powers, then he would not have used weapons. Anyway, but the duties of the guard and sentry were always hammered into the head with equal success!
      1. alexxxz
        alexxxz 23 October 2017 22: 04
        0
        “Acted within the framework of the charter and his powers” ​​is it in what charter is it allowed to shoot fighters?
        “Guard duty” - and what does the UGKS say about starling with crazy eyes and a smoking pistol in his hands, not obeying orders?
        1. WUA 518
          WUA 518 23 October 2017 22: 27
          +2
          Quote: alexxxz
          in what charter is it allowed to shoot fighters?

          In the event of an attack or an immediate threat of an attack (physical impact) on guarded objects, sentries, changing of guards (security and control group) or on the guardhouse, the head of the guard acts in accordance with the instructions and combat crew; depending on the situation, takes measures to repulse the attack, immediately reports the attack to the garrison duty officer (military commandant’s office, military unit).
          1. alexxxz
            alexxxz 23 October 2017 22: 37
            +1
            And why shouldn’t they shoot at starling then? He attacked the soldiers in the barracks. Is the barracks a guarded facility?
            1. WUA 518
              WUA 518 23 October 2017 22: 43
              +1
              Quote: alexxxz
              Is the barracks a guarded facility?

              An interesting barracks! In my time, the dej at the school and his assistant went into the barracks. The dezh and his assistant went into the regiment. Students at the school and conscripts could be in cockpits with discharged weapons only for cleaning.
              1. alexxxz
                alexxxz 24 October 2017 10: 01
                0
                And what is the current situation inconsistent with your ideas about the shape of the holes in the bread?
          2. alexxxz
            alexxxz 23 October 2017 22: 39
            +1
            And who told you that the starlie was the starter? )))) How did you serve that way, even if I, my jacket, see how you lounged !? ))))
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 24 October 2017 07: 27
              +8
              Colleague hi Sorry, I don’t know your name. In vain do you wave your saber. Alexander AVP518 concludes on the basis of his own experience of guarding while studying at VU and, in principle, says everything correctly. Unlike him, I entered a civilian university with a military department and, in theory, could be in your place. However, in the 82nd, a resolution was issued and in the 83rd, at the end of the 1st year, I was successfully called up by the special forces to repay military duty to the Motherland. And I had to serve precisely in the company of the aerodrome guard all two years away from the homeland, already beyond two borders in Germany. So you write
              Is the barracks a guarded facility?
              and further you colorfully describe the arrival of guards for shots in the barracks. Well, what's the conclusion? The barracks is not a guarded facility, an outfit is serving there, but in the event of an emergency with the use of weapons it falls under the "jurisdiction" of the guard. The garrison officer is responsible for the garrison, in part his duty officer. Nachkar acts on their orders and orders, if this does not apply directly to protected objects. So the guard is, figuratively, a riot police on duty at the garrison. What about Bach-bang and "Sentry in the gun" - he ran to the fill, and thanks to the asset for the system, for he nearly shot a new divisor when he drifted at the opened object without my guard officers and did not want to wait for the person who opened the object. I had to take action. Below, colleague rruvim Roman gives reliable information from his own experience. I will subscribe to each of his words, it was the same with us, only I will have more experience of guarding. Something like that. soldier drinks
              1. alexxxz
                alexxxz 24 October 2017 10: 07
                0
                So what? Am I saying something wrong? You just confirmed my literary delights. I do not dispute any experience. But I, excuse me, also have knowledge in the subject area and this cannot be taken away. And all these conversations in favor of the poor - “Yes, I! Yes, I have! Yes, in my time!”, No more than a simple nonsense. Sorry, nothing personal. What is the point of beating oneself with a heel in the chest, illuminating one’s heroic life experience, if the current situation is simple enough and you don’t have to be seven spans in your forehead to predict the course of events with a high enough probability? Evaluate the simple facts that have become known from the information message, systematize them, put them on your own experience, and you will understand the same thing as me. Look at the root!
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 24 October 2017 12: 27
                  +7
                  Do I dispute your words? You have correctly described everything, the only thing I do not agree with is that the barracks are not an object guarded by a guard. A post near her is not exhibited - yes. And in the event of an emergency, an awake shift of the guard arrives at her. Actually, the entire garrison is subject to protection, only sentries are at the posts. And the rest is right. I don’t understand why you reacted so negatively. And then, very little information about what happened in the barracks. How did he manage to put four people and for what? And the fact that he himself was banged - there was no other way out. The whole alignment is unknown to us.
                  1. alexxxz
                    alexxxz 24 October 2017 12: 55
                    0
                    So, I’m talking about that, that the barracks are the same object in the area of ​​responsibility of the guard, like the fleet of equipment, warehouses, etc. On shots to the barracks on guard the guard arrived and put the "attacker". Everything is fine. So it was supposed to happen.
                    And if in fact:
                    1. An ARMED officer for some reason opened fire on soldiers.
                    1.1. The reasons are unknown, but apparently they were. One can only guess why.
                    1.2. The officer could arm himself both illegally and quite legally by virtue of the duties performed. He was just on duty for the part and he was supposed to be armed. Is everything okay here?
                    1.3. out of 1.2. if the officer was in the outfit, it is quite normal that he restored order in the barracks. This is where the conflict arose. Is this imaginable? Is it logical?
                    1.4. It is illegal to arm yourself when entering a weapon or taking a weapon from a guard (for example) - it is quite problematic. And about this, most likely, they would say so - attacked, disarmed, used, killed. And according to the text of the news, the officer was armed by default. From which I conclude that he was standing in the outfit.
                    2. On duty at the location arrived duty shift of the guard. This is normal? Does anyone cause indignation?
                    2.1. The guard did not understand, was taken aback, frightened and opened fire on defeat at the officer.
                    2.2. The officer did not comply with the demand of the guard to disarm and was laid in place according to the UGKS. This is normal? Does anyone mind?
                    3. Managed to put 4 people because he was armed and offended by these 4. Does anyone mind?
                    3.1. Perhaps one of these 4 "came under the hand." Is it possible?
                    4. The news that the officers were going to be fired for some misconduct does not hold water for the simple reason that someone would put a line on two in an outfit, for this is both a weapon and responsibility and possible hemorrhoids. Do you agree?
                    5. Then what is the whole srach about me? That I am the first to soberly assess the situation right away? Ah, comrade officers? But what about "Assess the situation, make a decision, issue a combat order"?
                    In short, gentlemen serving, serving and couch experts - relax already! But the whole truth, I warn you, we will no longer learn from official sources, for each such source will cover its F as much as possible and lie for the sake of it like a gray gelding.
                    All! We diverge. Potryndely and that's enough! There is nothing to continue dancing on bones! Five mothers have grief.
              2. Cutter
                Cutter 24 October 2017 13: 56
                +5
                That something like this.

                I will subscribe to every word of yours, Serega !!! hi
    2. alexxxz
      alexxxz 23 October 2017 22: 00
      +1
      Bored? Forward to the report on the citizen!
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 23 October 2017 22: 17
        +1
        I agree. But for some reason he was eliminated.
        1. alexxxz
          alexxxz 23 October 2017 22: 52
          +3
          Imagine yourself at the place of the guard ... you are awake in the guard, do not touch anyone, here bang! somewhere from the side of the barracks, then bang-bang-bang-bang! Nachkar yells, "A guard in a gun!" and runs out of the guardhouse. You and his friend are behind him. Run like that, run, the fantasy of the picture draws one brighter than the other. You run up to the barracks and ... some starle falls out of the barracks, but you didn’t drink vodka with all of them. A platoon, some, it seems, or a company ... but how many of them are in your unit! All shakes, in the hands of a gun. Nachkar stood up and screamed “Stop!” I’ll shoot! ” And your knees are already shaking, and this nachkar is shouting like a fool ... "Drop the gun" - the yachkar is yelling. And then this incomprehensible starle takes and raises this gun to the level of aiming and directs you so beautiful. AND? Your actions? On the phone for YouTube you will shoot how they kill you or shoot from the machine?
          PySy. Well, what did you say normally? Believable?
          1. rruvim
            rruvim 23 October 2017 23: 25
            0
            I was at the end of the guard service. A month somewhere, on the "nightstand" at the banner at the headquarters, because a sergeant. At the "first" site in Kazakhstan. It was a “punishment” to the entire electronic warhead (someone overdid it). There were 12 of us soldiers and sergeants and eight officers. The charter of the guard duty was memorized. Still, almost all university students. And with us the "conscription" passed and our officers. Regardless of rank: from starling to the chief of the EW unit, Major Khalliulov. In a month, there wasn’t anything, not even an emergency with a shot about a “bulletproof gun”, because of inexperience, because we didn’t see AKM at the “points” in our eyes. And we never saw our officers drunk, although they thumped terribly in the officer dormitory. Even one or two cases of falling asleep in the guard were “jammed”, and if they saw that the subordinate (namely the subordinate) and not the ephemeral soldier were not able to pass the “perimeter” at night, they replaced him. At the same time, they did not appoint, as according to the charter, but asked for volunteers. It was harder for us sergeants on the “nightstand” with the “button” to stand for two hours in a fucking “parade” with a “Kalash” behind us. Moreover, the headquarters duty officer was not our officer. But a month they “chopped off” the service and left for the “desert” to their stations. Our Node even received gratitude that everything went without "serious" state of emergency. So, I can’t imagine what was written above ...
            1. alexxxz
              alexxxz 24 October 2017 13: 01
              0
              But I can’t imagine how the entire electronic warfare assembly is being removed for some kind of mythical punishment for an incomprehensible misconduct. Just think too much! Eka is unseen!
              I have only one question for your tearful story - and who in your absence served on the EW site? ))))) You can not answer. And so everything is clear.
              1. rruvim
                rruvim 24 October 2017 22: 03
                0
                Tuesday and Thursday, "firing" From "Sentry and into the steppe! On our main point - the position of" well "(there three fighters were always with a" replacement "), on the" Vega "200th (there is a diesel and a station), 300 -th (1RL22 was advanced in two Urals), 75th (diesel and station in caponier). After the "firing", the next day at the evening divorce in the "parade" and in the Karaul. The first platform (where the guard was carried) from ours " points "was equidistant to 12 km. But 12 km along the" Betpak-Dale "two hours in the back. Therefore, everyone thought that we were" punished "by the guard.
                1. alexxxz
                  alexxxz 25 October 2017 09: 39
                  0
                  He himself wrote:
                  Quote: rruvim
                  A month somewhere, on the "nightstand" at the banner at the headquarters, because a sergeant. At the "first" site in Kazakhstan. It was a “punishment” to the entire electronic warhead.

                  Confused? )))))))))))))
                  1. rruvim
                    rruvim 25 October 2017 17: 25
                    0
                    A month, this does not mean 24-hours a day all 30 days. In addition, the RTR (repair and maintenance company) and the KPT company (command center of the center) and several other units went to the "guard".
          2. BecmepH
            BecmepH 24 October 2017 06: 06
            0
            AND? Your actions? On the phone for YouTube you will shoot how they kill you or shoot from the machine?
            Straight Daria Dontsova .... I would, for starters, fall to the ground.
            or company
            Starley company? You sure
            a jacket,
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 24 October 2017 06: 19
              +9
              Quote: BecmepH
              I would, for starters, fall to the ground.

              It is right.
              Quote: BecmepH
              Starley company? You are definitely a jacket

              Ahem ... well, my company was starlier ... until I got the captain. So what?
              And zampotech companies - he was generally a letekha ... so what?
              In vain you ran over, IMHO request
              1. BecmepH
                BecmepH 24 October 2017 06: 46
                0
                Ahem ... well, my company was starlier ... until I got the captain. So what?
                Same exception
                And zampotech companies - he was generally a letekha ... so what?
                And this, if I’m not mistaken, is an ensign in general.
                I do not know how it is now, but before my resignation (December 2011), the junior officers were glad to serve in sergeant posts. Well, to starle in a captain’s position ... a fairy tale.
                And now there are not enough officers?
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 24 October 2017 07: 01
                  +7
                  Quote: BecmepH
                  Same exception

                  I don’t know how and where now, but 30 years ago and in the 4th Guards Named Andropov it was, rather, the rule.
                  In the battalion, when I arrived there, all three of the companies were older.
                  Kombat, though - the whole major laughing
                  Quote: BecmepH
                  And this, if I’m not mistaken, is generally an ensign

                  You are mistaken. And in the motorized infantry, and in tanks - the officer.
                  Quote: BecmepH
                  to starle in the captain’s position ... a fairy tale.

                  Well, in this fairy tale I lived request
                  1. BecmepH
                    BecmepH 24 October 2017 07: 24
                    +1
                    [quote] You are mistaken. Both in the motorized infantry and in the tanks - the officer. [/ QuoteAs far as I remember, there is no ZKV in the companies, and there is the position of TECHNICIAN OF THE COMPANY and this is the position of ensign or art. warrant officer
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 24 October 2017 07: 33
                      +7
                      Quote: BecmepH
                      As far as I remember ...

                      You have an interesting manege of conversation ...
                      Instead of finding and posting a picture with the structure of a tank and a motorized rifle mouth (it’s definitely on the Internet, it cannot but have it), for some reason you’re sharing your memories ... request
                      1. BecmepH
                        BecmepH 24 October 2017 09: 57
                        0
                        You have an interesting manege of conversation ...
                        Instead of finding and posting a picture with the structure of a tank and a motorized rifle mouth (it’s definitely on the Internet, it cannot but have it), for some reason you’re sharing your memories ...
                        Estimate, I’ll say the same about you. Only my memories five years ago, and yours
                        and 30 years ago
                        Why should I spread it? I, before entering into an argument, was convinced. And then, you never know what. Suddenly everything changed in 5-6 years
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            2. alexxxz
              alexxxz 24 October 2017 10: 13
              0
              Quote: BecmepH
              Starley company? You sure
              a jacket,

              Mr. WesterN, you amaze me with your childish naivety.
              To clarify to you the essence of your childhood misconceptions, I want to bring to you a number of simple facts that are understandable even to children:
              1. All captains / majors / colonels / generals when they were senior lieutenants;
              2. The specifics of the service is such that the officers are first appointed to the post, and then they are assigned the military rank corresponding to it; True, there are still a number of nuances, but children do not understand this.
              "I would, for a start, fall to the ground" - fall right now because in hindsight all are smart. And a man with a gun in his hands is not the same as a man without a gun. Self-perception is a bit different.
              1. BecmepH
                BecmepH 24 October 2017 10: 30
                0
                1. All captains / majors / colonels / generals when they were senior lieutenants;
                This, yes)))
                2. The specifics of the service is such that the officers are first appointed to the post, and then they are assigned the military rank corresponding to it; True, there are still a number of nuances, but children do not understand this.
                Well yes. Just what are you doing this ?. A company officer is a captain's position. And he leaves for this post with an older couple of weeks. Because of this, do you argue before redness ?. As a rule, documents for appointment go to documents and title.
                fall right now for hindsight are all smart.
                Yes, not smart, but instinctive reflexes. The instinct of self-preservation. And you get the answer to his shots with a gun and shaking the pendulum you release the entire store into it? Hero! Did you hear the bullet whistling over your head? It's VERY hard to get used to. The head itself bends, although you are sitting in cover
                1. alexxxz
                  alexxxz 24 October 2017 13: 08
                  0
                  Quote: BecmepH
                  A company officer is a captain's position. And he leaves for this post with an older couple of weeks. Because of this, do you argue before redness ?. As a rule, documents for the appointment go to the documents and title

                  Are you completely stupid? Let’s give you such a situation. The captain-company goes to study at the academy. You need to put someone in the company. Whom? OK! We put the platoon 1, he is sensible, he can handle it. And he only received a starley month ago. And what, in your opinion, will they immediately assign a cap? And here are the figurines!
                  1. BecmepH
                    BecmepH 24 October 2017 13: 34
                    0
                    Are you completely stupid?
                    They don’t enter the academy in a week. Slightly less than a year has already begun "dvizhuhi." documents, medical board. Then, if accepted, the position becomes vacant. And before that, there are already a lot of applicants for this position. And your starle, the commander of the 1st platoon, is not even visible, because he's at the tail. Learn materiel, jacket)))
                    1. alexxxz
                      alexxxz 24 October 2017 15: 13
                      0
                      Very convincing! Sit down, five! Here is just one maaaaaalenky moment! The movement begins long, but the challenge to the academy comes unexpectedly, as always. )))) Eshsperd! And the position of company commander is SUCH sweet-sweet that all the deputy technicians of the regiment are lining up for her and stand impatiently beating and praying that the head of the RAV division service would not find out about the vacancy. He will spoil raspberries all at once!
                      What are you carrying??? What kind of muyin ?????? !!!! What a bunch of candidates for the company commander ??? To the most dog post ... What, three platoon lieutenants - is that a heap? Or take immediately for the regiment? Or, then, let’s sweep for the division? What are the little things?
                2. alexxxz
                  alexxxz 24 October 2017 15: 20
                  0
                  Quote: BecmepH
                  and shaking the pendulum release

                  Shaking the pendulum ??? Where did you get this vulgarity? Have you read books about August 44th? Izide, company technician, senior warrant officer of the mattress troops!
                  Comrades, ban this sofa troll! Well, there’s no strength anymore! .. He didn’t even see the army on TV.
              2. BecmepH
                BecmepH 24 October 2017 10: 34
                0
                Mr. WesterN,
                Better, comrade.
                1. alexxxz
                  alexxxz 24 October 2017 15: 21
                  0
                  Tambov Wolf comrade to you, troll!
              3. vodkinmotors1
                vodkinmotors1 25 October 2017 10: 01
                0
                And the shoig was a lieutenant? Stroybata :))
  9. Herculesic
    Herculesic 23 October 2017 19: 49
    +5
    It’s bad, the world there is still in power of Kadyrov’s teip, and the world is relative! There are many former militants in power there, but nothing like 7,62 mm will at least “reassure” them!
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 23 October 2017 19: 59
      +3
      Quote: Herkulesich
      It’s bad, the world there is still in power of Kadyrov’s teip, and the world is relative! There are many former militants in power there, but nothing like 7,62 mm will at least “reassure” them!


      Why only 7,62? Think narrowly. There are 122, 152, 203 ...
      1. Krasnyiy komissar
        Krasnyiy komissar 23 October 2017 21: 07
        +1
        Still there are 220, 240 and 300 mm "gifts" of heaven.
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 24 October 2017 07: 30
          +7
          They forgot the Yamomotu, everything is there 460 mm. wink
          1. Krasnyiy komissar
            Krasnyiy komissar 24 October 2017 08: 49
            0
            The battleship was called Yamato, and Yamamoto was the Japanese admiral.
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 24 October 2017 09: 13
              +8
              Exactly, you are absolutely right. I apologize for getting along. hi drinks
    2. Viktor.12.71
      Viktor.12.71 23 October 2017 20: 05
      +1
      And what do you suggest? Good war than a bad world? I heard the news for a long time that Ramzan special forces trains, even built a training center. I think it’s too late to reassure someone there, in the mountains fighting is still a task.
      1. WUA 518
        WUA 518 23 October 2017 21: 50
        +3
        Quote: Viktor.12.71
        I heard the news for a long time that Ramzan special forces train, even built a training center

        There are several of them, a new one under Gudermes with an area of ​​400 hectares.
        Trainers from "Alpha" and "Pennant."
        1. Viktor.12.71
          Viktor.12.71 24 October 2017 06: 29
          0
          Wow, everything is serious, given that they obey only Ramzan. I thought there was a more modest scale.
  10. Holoy
    Holoy 23 October 2017 20: 04
    +2
    Rosguard honored assignee of the BB ... Previously, in the BB in their very most Elite Division. Dzerzhinsky in Balashikha and Reutov often had an emergency. Once one half a year before being transferred to the reserve (stores were preparing for firing ranges), he shot two colleagues and dumped 600 rounds of ammunition ...
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      1. Holoy
        Holoy 23 October 2017 20: 59
        +1
        There they have some kind of bad Karma, or traditions are "supported" ... (((
        Apparently you need to make adjustments to the command structure at all levels, or, more simply, to disperse!
        1. alexxxz
          alexxxz 23 October 2017 22: 11
          0
          To disperse, nafig, the whole army and new insane to get mixed up with the normal?
      2. alexxxz
        alexxxz 23 October 2017 22: 09
        +2
        What are we talking about! Where there is a weapon, there is death. So it was, is and will be. And how many cases of spontaneous, random shots in the guards and at the posts unknown to the public? And how many foolish lieutenants shot themselves from unhappy love? Such is SelVi!
  11. vodkinmotors1
    vodkinmotors1 23 October 2017 20: 15
    +7
    Expected. The cop cannot be called a soldier. How much to repeat !! This is the Ministry of Internal Affairs !! am
    1. Grim Reaper
      Grim Reaper 23 October 2017 20: 33
      +2
      AND.....? Continue your thought.
      1. alexxxz
        alexxxz 23 October 2017 22: 13
        +1
        Yes there is no thought there! One smell!
      2. Svarog51
        Svarog51 24 October 2017 07: 44
        +9
        And now the showdown at the very top in the Russian Guard. OMON was included in the Russian Guard, the efficiency of its use by operas dropped below the plinth, and instead of combat training, officers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs are taught to make a bed in the barracks. When the fire department was handed over to the Ministry of Emergencies, the same thing happened. The reorganization began on an army basis. "You cannot harness a horse and a trembling doe into one carriage." Combat crews have been reduced to a minimum, but the management staff, it would be better if I hadn’t seen this ... Now it’s kind of “crushed”, a lot of new equipment, and the people basically changed.
    2. Achtaba1970
      Achtaba1970 23 October 2017 22: 00
      0
      In the Federal Law "On the status of military personnel", military personnel include, in addition to those serving in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, also in the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs
      1. vodkinmotors1
        vodkinmotors1 25 October 2017 17: 45
        0
        That's exactly "more."
        2
    3. Kelevro
      Kelevro 24 October 2017 03: 16
      +2
      Of course you're right. But for example, for 6 years I had weapons on constant wear, and the bandits were detained 3 times a week without a gathering and riot police. So I saw, I know and can do more than many MO officers.
  12. Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper 23 October 2017 20: 37
    +2
    Alas. Yes, it happens. No one is insured. Perhaps voices will come into anyone's house, provide irrefutable evidence and put an ax in their hands. Alas ..... it happens.
    1. Evgenivn1974
      Evgenivn1974 23 October 2017 21: 02
      0
      Not even a “voice” is obligatory, but bad news can be — the death of a father, mother, child, separation from a woman! And under stress, anything can play the role of the "last drop" ...
  13. Evgenivn1974
    Evgenivn1974 23 October 2017 20: 59
    +3
    Anything can happen! Let the command investigate and draw conclusions! Previously, such cases also happened repeatedly - and in the relatively prosperous 1980s, VV soldiers shot fellow soldiers, and in the 1990s, there were many such cases (both with officers and soldiers). Let's hope - they’ll figure out what’s the matter and such situations will not be allowed! And about the fact that “Russians” or “non-Russians” - do not arrange a “showdown of the wounded” (“they oppress us”, “Chechen bandits”, “Russian chauvinists”)! A Georgian, a Chechen, a Russian, or any other can experience a nervous breakdown, it all depends on the situation! A friend of mine (sergeant) said that during a service in the 1990s in the North Caucasus Military District, an ordinary Chechen had a nervous breakdown and took a colleague in the camp, didn’t give up, he had to be eliminated by a sniper. And by the way, this guy (Chechen) was quite normal before this incident, not aggressive, sociable, played the guitar, did not hold any radical views, and served honestly! So it happens! What influenced his behavior? Bad news? Relatives? Unknown ...
  14. private person
    private person 23 October 2017 21: 13
    +5
    In Chechnya? Rosguard? Don’t tell Kadyrovspetsnaz there.
    1. s9883300
      s9883300 23 October 2017 21: 55
      +2
      It seems you were there !? There the 46th brigade of the Russian Guard is stationed.
  15. stolz
    stolz 23 October 2017 21: 50
    +2
    Quote: Black_Jacket
    And is there already information that the shooter was not from the locals, but the victims were all locals?
    Maybe from those who joined the "truly Orthodox" or stupidly dzhigit with impaired pride. Now just guess.

    Here, religion and nationalism do not need to be pulled here by the ears, what does it have to do with it? After all, the Rosguard is yesterday’s cops, and it doesn’t matter where and whom to shoot, there are already many such cases. It is necessary to educate them and select better ones for the service.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 23 October 2017 21: 59
      +4
      Quote: Stolz
      Here, religion and nationalism do not need to be pulled here by the ears, what does it have to do with it?

      Correctly. The cook is to blame.
      1. Viktor.12.71
        Viktor.12.71 24 October 2017 06: 25
        +1
        Well, there he put his co-religionists. I heard that the Chechens of the Dagestanis do not like and vice versa, nationalism is not doing well.
      2. vodkinmotors1
        vodkinmotors1 25 October 2017 17: 48
        0
        Not a cook, but a coke :))
  16. nikvic46
    nikvic46 23 October 2017 22: 05
    +1
    It is difficult to draw conclusions from this tragic information. One thing I will say is that this does not happen in a normal army.
    1. alexxxz
      alexxxz 23 October 2017 22: 56
      +2
      You might think that this does not happen in other armies! Googled yourself, or need help? Who here, in general, let the children go?
    2. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 23 October 2017 23: 26
      +4
      Quote: nikvic46
      It is difficult to draw conclusions from this tragic information. One thing I will say is that this does not happen in a normal army.

      what what what and nitsche that at Americans in peacetime in the oceans collide the "coolest" warships with the result of dozens of corpses ??? wassat wassat is this normal for a normal army ??? winked winked laughing laughing
  17. mavrus
    mavrus 23 October 2017 22: 19
    +1
    Quotation: blooded man
    Most likely the Russian officer shot the Chechens WHO PUT ON IT OR MAY EVEN WORSE. Patience is not eternal, and not all Russian officers are ready to bear humiliation.
    Yeah, almost guessed ...
    I cannot say what nationality this “Russian officer” is, but this is a native of Dagestan, Lieutenant Gadzhiev.
  18. panov_panov
    panov_panov 23 October 2017 22: 24
    +3
    It turned out that the Dagestan was dismissed from service, thus noted his dismissal. (
    1. alexxxz
      alexxxz 24 October 2017 00: 04
      0
      This is the version for fools. )))) And only ... believe it.
  19. alexxxz
    alexxxz 23 October 2017 22: 57
    0
    Quote: mavrus
    a native of Dagestan, Lieutenant Gadzhiev.

    Five points!
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    1. alexxxz
      alexxxz 23 October 2017 23: 38
      +5
      In fill! Straight Hollywood! Dangling like that, drunk, in part, “Give” thinks: “I’ll take Stechkin in the arms, but I’ll shoot someone.” Look, and here the open arms are standing! Well, he took it and went ... and then like in a movie. Just a group of special forces drove by ... in a submarine. But in fact, the flyer was retroactively fired, and everything else was invented to cover slovenliness. Only more, from excessive zeal, skeletons from the locker were pulled.
      1. TsUS-Air Force
        TsUS-Air Force 23 October 2017 23: 43
        0
        anything can be ....
        1. alexxxz
          alexxxz 24 October 2017 00: 00
          0
          That's just such nonsense can not be BY DEFINITION!
  21. alexxxz
    alexxxz 23 October 2017 22: 59
    0
    Quote: mavrus
    What nationality is this "Russian officer"

    And rightly so! In Dagestan, more than 30 nationalities live!
  22. alexxxz
    alexxxz 23 October 2017 23: 03
    +1
    Quote: WUA 518
    Sounded - the duty unit, it means the guard

    Well, it would be strange if the first to arrive at the scene was not the guard, but Greenpeace, for example. Truth?
  23. co-creator
    co-creator 23 October 2017 23: 47
    0
    Quote: NOC-VVS
    http://artofwar.ru/j/jakowenko_p_w/geroismutnogov
    remeni.shtml

    the link is broken, give another or how to score in google
  24. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 24 October 2017 00: 34
    +1
    They wanted to fire him, he went to sort it out. He wanted to kill a senior officer, he was interrupted. Shot a lieutenant and three soldiers.
    This is from Lenta.ru
  25. aiden
    aiden 24 October 2017 02: 03
    0
    Maybe similar to this, everything was
    1. 7gor
      7gor 24 October 2017 06: 33
      +1
      It was similar when seventy on the parade ground attacked seventy! In 2000, Severomorsk, it was a pity that there were no phones to take off and show you this, and it was busy fighting back!
      1. aiden
        aiden 24 October 2017 20: 38
        0
        And because of what began?
  26. Kunica
    Kunica 24 October 2017 02: 17
    0
    Not enough information. To think for yourself in such matters is a thankless task.
  27. ver_
    ver_ 24 October 2017 03: 31
    0
    Quote: insular
    Quote: Viktor.12.71
    Ramzan has a short conversation with the Wahhabis.

    Has he changed his shoes long ago? wassat

    Quote: stas
    Victor, open your eyes. Ramzanka is the same Wahhabi as the others, only while the Tsar is feeding him.
    But no matter how much you feed the wolf, he will still escape into the forest.

    ... this is goat furstein ..
  28. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 24 October 2017 04: 33
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    Quote: BMP-2
    Well I do not know. Usually, Russian generals always spoke smart words. request

    What a strange comment? "Well I do not know..."
    So find out, eprst !!! Or do you not know which name to drive into the search? I suggest - Ermolov!
    Commentators, damn it, they don’t understand what it’s about, but everything needs to be written at least ...
  29. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 24 October 2017 04: 42
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    Sucks !!! Apparently there are no options left.
  30. 7gor
    7gor 24 October 2017 06: 22
    +1
    Hmm, kink, don’t toss bags!
  31. vnord
    vnord 24 October 2017 08: 23
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    Quotation: blooded man
    Most likely the Russian officer shot the Chechens WHO PUT ON IT OR MAY EVEN WORSE. Patience is not eternal, and not all Russian officers are ready to bear humiliation

    There was already an info officer Starley Dagestan.
  32. alexxxz
    alexxxz 24 October 2017 10: 20
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    Quote: BecmepH
    I don’t know how now, but before my resignation (December 2011)

    What is such a difficult health situation that they immediately dismissed, bypassing enrollment?
  33. ASDik37
    ASDik37 24 October 2017 10: 44
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    On the network, such a document walks around:
    1. alexxxz
      alexxxz 24 October 2017 13: 17
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      If everything was so, then this is a thriller with western elements. Only one question - where did the unhappy senior lieutenant walk all these 7 minutes since the opening of the fire? And what a strange wording “during the divorce of the daily dress for the senior lieutenant’s service, fire was opened from among the persons of the daily dress” My cried. Those. indiscriminate firing in the unit, and the nachkar calmly conducts a divorce and waits for the killer to come out on him? So what?
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  35. Lexa-149
    Lexa-149 25 October 2017 00: 13
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    It is worth noting that the guy was getting ready.
    And there is a gross violation: the CWC was not closed from the inside when recounting weapons.
    1. avatar123
      avatar123 25 October 2017 00: 28
      +1
      now little can be said for sure about those minute events.
      One thing I can say: the Russian guy, Ilya Banykin, was a good, non-conflict person. Count the first day, and that's how it happened. He went to Chechnya without enthusiasm, but so ordered, and he is a military man. There was a wife and a daughter.
  36. Magomed Ramazanov_2
    Magomed Ramazanov_2 25 October 2017 18: 59
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    The reason is simple. The commander of the unit, with his regular and prolonged mockeries of the simple, brought the young lieutenant to the state of effect that his roof had moved off. The commander of this unit, a rare skatina and the Nazi. His behavior and slander, he brought many to dismissal. In short, the Russian Guard is still anarchy. I think this is not the last incident when they shoot at their own.
    1. anjela
      anjela 25 October 2017 22: 22
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      Good evening everyone. Mohammed You are right. Everything was just that. Gadzhiev M. is a close relative of mine. This man brought him to this. His wife also remained at home. Never did he, by deed, even with a word, offend a person. Two years ago, he lost his mother. The new commander who interceded with them did not give them life, including him. Gadzhiev lived with his wife there. And this cattle evict his wife and forced to send her home. Motivating by the fact that he personally has lived without his wife for 12 years. And from their room he was going to do something. They write that he was drunk. Not true. He never drank. And he didn’t even smoke. All the positive characteristics of him. And everything is just in shock from what happened. He was an honest, responsible person. Always calm. A man who could control himself. But that man pissed him off. All of us relatives know that the new commander is to blame. Let everything remain on his conscience. Why are these transferred to the bosses in part.