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Germany will put three submarines to Israel

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The German government fundamentally approved the delivery of three submarines to Israel, built at the shipyards of ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems in Kiel. About this on Monday, October 23, said at a press briefing for journalists the official representative of the German Chancellor Steffen Seibert (Steffen Seibert), writes the German edition Deutsche Welle


Germany will put three submarines to Israel


As expected, an intergovernmental memorandum of understanding on this issue will be signed before the end of October 23 day.
The deal is made with the financial support of Berlin, which explains this step by the "special responsibility of Germany for ensuring the security of Israel." The total cost of the agreement is estimated at approximately 1,5 billion euros, specifies dpa.

The conclusion of the transaction was accompanied by a scandal. The signing of the contract was previously frozen in light of the investigation of the corruption scandal in the supply of German submarines to Israel. In July, seven people were arrested in this case; they were interrogated on charges of bribery and money laundering.

Special attention to this agreement was also explained by the fact that the design of the Dolphin class of submarines made it possible to equip them with nuclear weapons in Israel weaponstherefore, their delivery to the Middle East caused a discussion in Germany. In Israel, the media also reported on the possible involvement of one approximate Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in the deal. At the final stage of the negotiations, "all relevant aspects" related to the conclusion of the contract were taken into account, they assure in Berlin.

Submarines "Dolphin" have an underwater displacement of 1840 tons. Body length - 56,3 meters, width - 6,8 meters. Working depth - 200 meters, maximum - 350 meters. Develop underwater speed to 20 nodes. Autonomy - 50 days. Crew - 30 man.
Submarines are armed with 533-mm torpedoes and harpoon anti-ship missiles.
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http://www.dw.com/ru
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 23 October 2017 19: 21 New
    10
    They themselves have no submarine left .. From the Banderostan they take an example .. Anything for sale?
    1. DEPARTMENT
      DEPARTMENT 23 October 2017 19: 30 New
      +3
      Germany will put three submarines to Israel

      At the expense of the indemnity remaining ... It smells like evacuation! wassat
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 23 October 2017 19: 49 New
        +9
        Quote: DEPARTMENT
        Germany will put three submarines to Israel

        At the expense of the indemnity remaining ... It smells like evacuation! wassat

        Why's that ? Israel pays 1bn Euro. At the same time, weapons, navigation and reconnaissance systems will be made and partially installed in Israel, i.e. they will not be included in the contract amount.
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 23 October 2017 20: 07 New
          11
          Do you really believe. What exactly will Israel pay to ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems 1.5 for a billion euro from its own funds? I beg of you...
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 23 October 2017 20: 31 New
            +8
            Quote: rruvim
            Do you really believe. What exactly will Israel pay to ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems 1.5 for a billion euro from its own funds? I beg of you...

            What does faith have to do with it? This is not REN TV, this is a contract with a German company.
            1. rruvim
              rruvim 23 October 2017 20: 39 New
              +3
              And who saw this contract? At least the project ... Everything is classified. AOI approved, and that’s it! And passions flare up already decided contract: who "sawed" that? It’s not clear who? Either Netanyahu's proxies or Jews from Kruppa ...
            2. dauria
              dauria 23 October 2017 22: 39 New
              +2
              This is not REN TV, this is a contract with a German company.

              FROM PEDIVICIA wink
              The first two submarines were handed over to the FRG to Israel for free as a return of historical debt for the Holocaust hi . The costs of building the third diesel-electric submarine were divided between Germany and Israel in equal parts. According to a contract signed in mid-2006 with a total value of $ 1,4 billion, Israel finances two-thirds of the cost of building the fourth and fifth diesel-electric missile defense, a third is paid by Germany.
              Why would suddenly change the "good manners" to inflate the Germans? wassat
              https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B4%
              D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%BB%D0%BE%
              D0%B4%D0%BA%D0%B8_%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B0_%C2%AB
              %D0%94%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BD%C2%BB
        2. Solomon Kane
          Solomon Kane 23 October 2017 20: 14 New
          +7
          Shalom, Aron! The question is different - how Israel managed to slip from the American project BIUS "Raytheon" CSS Mk.2 to the German BIOS BUS STN Atlas ISUS 90-55., Which will be cooler than "striped"
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 23 October 2017 20: 28 New
            +5
            Quote: Solomon Kane
            Shalom, Aron! The question is different - how Israel managed to slip from the American project BIUS "Raytheon" CSS Mk.2 to the German BIOS BUS STN Atlas ISUS 90-55., Which will be cooler than "striped"

            This question is too big for my admission. request
            1. Solomon Kane
              Solomon Kane 23 October 2017 23: 13 New
              +5
              Is Israel putting an end to the issue of controlling the entire BV region?
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 23 October 2017 23: 16 New
                +3
                Quote: Solomon Kane
                Is Israel putting an end to the issue of controlling the entire BV region?

                Do you believe this is the last thing we need? By 2028, we should go to 45 thousand $ at PPP per head of the population. This is the task.
                1. Solomon Kane
                  Solomon Kane 23 October 2017 23: 20 New
                  +6
                  Well, to survive until 2028, you need a good weapon? In this case, the "Horsemen of the Apocalypse" is always ready ... wink
          2. Lord
            Lord 23 October 2017 20: 57 New
            +4
            Quote: Solomon Kane
            The question is different - how Israel managed to slip from the American project CIOS “Reyteon” CSS Mk.2 to the German CIUS STN Atlas ISUS 90-55.

            Most likely this is one of the conditions of the transaction. The Germans do not finance part of the contract for beautiful eyes; they need to take their defense industry to work.
            Elbit, together with the Navy, is developing a new BIOS for the modernization of old submarines and new Saar-6 corvettes; they plan to start the series by 2019. In terms of performance, they promise to significantly surpass the STN Atlas, so it is possible that new boats will already be with her.
            1. Solomon Kane
              Solomon Kane 23 October 2017 23: 16 New
              +6
              However, the good fellows of Israel, unlike Australia, which are striped, nevertheless bent down ......
        3. starogil
          starogil 24 October 2017 06: 13 New
          0
          And what is the American financial aid spent on (4,4% of Israel’s annual state budget) and where does the huge worldwide Jewish requisitions go in favor of Israel?
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        1. Professor
          Professor 23 October 2017 20: 09 New
          13
          Quote: quilted jacket
          Quote: DEPARTMENT
          On account of the indemnity of the remaining ...

          It’s not in vain that even in Russia24 they said that Jewish blood found in Hitler’s family maybe from here and as they say "grow legs" of the tender friendship of Germany and Israel?


          Yeah. There are suspicions that in the blood of Hitler’s cousin there is either Arab or Jewish blood, but it is not known for certain who exactly was keeping up with Hitler’s aunt. laughing
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            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 23 October 2017 20: 35 New
              +7
              Quote: quilted jacket

              It seems how exactly the Jews belong, although you Jews and Arabs differ only in faith lol .

              Tell me please, what does this golem off have to do with the topic?
            2. Professor
              Professor 23 October 2017 20: 36 New
              +7
              Quote: quilted jacket
              It seems how exactly the Jews belong, although you Jews and Arabs differ only in faith

              "It seems to be exactly how the Jews"? The drain is counted. You used to say that "that Hitler found Jewish blood." lol

              But this is the submarine fleet of the Islamic State of Iran with which these German boats will have to deal. Murnia again makes the brain. wassat
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 23 October 2017 22: 20 New
                +2
                Quote: Professor
                You used to say that "that Hitler found Jewish blood."

                So even now I am convinced of this not without reason that in Germany at that time there were many Jews and very few Arabs and it was precisely Hitlers who surrounded Jews.
                And how did your Prime Minister Netanyahu justify Hitler saying that he did not want to kill the Jews in general a shame, but it becomes clear why he apparently whitewashes him and makes himself felt.

                Quote: Professor
                But this is the submarine fleet of the Islamic State of Iran with which these German boats will have to deal.

                You see, Iran even produces submarines, but you buy them lol
                1. Aaron Zawi
                  Aaron Zawi 23 October 2017 23: 18 New
                  +6
                  Quote: quilted jacket

                  So even now I am convinced of this not without reason that in Germany at that time there were many Jews and very few Arabs and it was precisely Hitlers who surrounded Jews.
                  And how did your Prime Minister Netanyahu justify Hitler saying that he did not want to kill the Jews in general a shame, but it becomes clear why he apparently whitewashes him and makes himself felt.
                  lol:

                  Vatnik, can you write about PL in the topic of PL, and not engage in propaganda of anti-Semitism?
                  1. padded jacket
                    padded jacket 23 October 2017 23: 28 New
                    0
                    Quote: Aron Zaavi
                    Vatnik, can you write about PL in the topic of PL, and not engage in propaganda of anti-Semitism?

                    Listen Aron, something I didn’t see from you such agility and so-called “principledness” when your fellow Israelite Jews write posts in topics about Syria Iran Hezbollah and here you are directly excited as a “muslin girl” lol
                    Go to bed and don’t worry so I'm leaving now too.
                    1. Aaron Zawi
                      Aaron Zawi 23 October 2017 23: 40 New
                      +5
                      Quote: quilted jacket

                      Listen Aron, something I didn’t see from you such agility and so-called “principledness” when your fellow Israelite Jews write posts in topics about Syria Iran Hezbollah and here you are directly excited as a “muslin girl” lol
                      Go to bed and don’t worry so I'm leaving now too.

                      It's just that there is an ordinary political swamp. Well, we throw stones that fountains of mud sprayed the opponent. Have fun. But here is an article about naval technology.
                      1. padded jacket
                        padded jacket 24 October 2017 10: 42 New
                        0
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        It's just that there is an ordinary political swamp.

                        Yes, for you everything is a swamp that does not apply to Israel, and in these topics you are successfully and fruitfully “doing your work”, and here in you the love of “truth” leaped in short, Aron, do not make me laugh.
                2. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 24 October 2017 00: 52 New
                  +1
                  [quote = quilted jacket] [quote = professor] You used to say in general, "that Hitler found Jewish blood." [/ quote]
                  So even now I am convinced of this not without reason that in Germany at that time there were many Jews and very few Arabs and it was precisely Hitlers who surrounded Jews.
                  And how did your Prime Minister Netanyahu justify Hitler saying that he did not want to kill the Jews in general a shame, but it becomes clear why he apparently whitewashes him and makes himself felt.

                  Why ... the founder of the Palestinian nationalist movement, Haj Amin El Husseini, was a personal friend of Hitler, until 1944 he was stuck in Berlin, founded the "Muslim" SS battalion ...
                  But I didn’t hear about Hitler’s Jewish environment
          2. DEPARTMENT
            DEPARTMENT 23 October 2017 21: 05 New
            +2
            Quote: Professor
            Quote: quilted jacket
            Quote: DEPARTMENT
            On account of the indemnity of the remaining ...

            It’s not in vain that even in Russia24 they said that Jewish blood found in Hitler’s family maybe from here and as they say "grow legs" of the tender friendship of Germany and Israel?


            Yeah. There are suspicions that in the blood of Hitler’s cousin there is either Arab or Jewish blood, but it is not known for certain who exactly was keeping up with Hitler’s aunt. laughing

            Well, if the professor reacted so sharply, then to see Hitler was still a cunning "comrade" ... Especially judging by how he acted with the Soviet Union! soldier
            I Vatnik read such materials for a long time .. It's just not customary to advertise them! hi
          3. Gml
            Gml 23 October 2017 21: 15 New
            +4
            There are suspicions that in the blood
            Ahmadinejad is there too. And Kadaffi. You never know where the uh member of the Jewish people.
        2. rruvim
          rruvim 23 October 2017 21: 20 New
          +2
          Führer had no Jewish blood. Proven - proven. But he sang in the Catholic choir, and read both the Old and New Testaments. Which, in fact, unites us (Old Testament). And the relationship of one of Kruppa’s divisions with the Israeli government is simple: Germany subsidizes the deal, and Jews, on the other hand, “saw” the margin. But they cannot "cut" humanly. From there and the scandal ...
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        4. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 24 October 2017 00: 46 New
          +2
          Quote: quilted jacket
          Quote: DEPARTMENT
          On account of the indemnity of the remaining ...

          But it’s not in vain that even in Russia24 they said that Hitler’s family was found and that Jewish blood can come from here, and as they say, the "feet" of the tender friendship of Germany and Israel grow?

          You have Jewish blood in you too. 100 pounds. On the forum at topwar.ru published.
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    2. Tusv
      Tusv 23 October 2017 19: 30 New
      0
      Quote: 210ox
      They themselves have no submarine left .. From the Banderostan they take an example .. Anything for sale?

      And FIG knows how the Hans works. On the one hand, you don’t really take it easy. For myself, much is forbidden. And again, how their non-volatility works for themselves and for others. In the sense of CO2 utilization. With bubbles it's garbage
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 23 October 2017 21: 40 New
        +4
        Quote: Tusv
        how their non-volatility works for themselves and for others. In the sense of the disposal of CO2. With bubbles it's garbage

        Theirs “garbage” (VNEU) does not produce CO2, but produces H2O ... And CO2 utilizes alkaline “absorbers” like our B2 plates.
        Something like this, however.
    3. demo
      demo 24 October 2017 16: 08 New
      +2
      Do not compare what is not compared.
      Not even a finger with p ... som.
      The economy of Germany is the most balanced and economically advanced. Plus quite socially oriented.
      It is always necessary to give adequate assessments to both enemies and friends. Moreover, the Germans are not friends to us, but not enemies.

      But the fact that they feel "the special responsibility of Germany for ensuring the security of Israel" is quite symptomatic.
      1. Sparkling wine - Dry
        Sparkling wine - Dry 25 October 2017 11: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: demo
        It is always necessary to give adequate assessments to both enemies and friends.

        Just golden words.
  2. Livonetc
    Livonetc 23 October 2017 19: 26 New
    +3
    But people are provided with work and salary.
  3. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 23 October 2017 19: 28 New
    +5
    In payment of old "sins"? Where is our Professor? Let it be enlightened!
    1. DEPARTMENT
      DEPARTMENT 23 October 2017 19: 31 New
      +4
      Quote: Hurricane70
      In payment of old "sins"? Where is our Professor? Let it be enlightened!

      The professor is already hoarse .. hehe
    2. Professor
      Professor 23 October 2017 19: 42 New
      +5
      Quote: Hurricane70
      In payment of old "sins"? Where is our Professor? Let it be enlightened!

      Yeah. Old sins are the weapons of Saddam.

      By boat. The final decision will be made by Germany only at the end of the investigation in Israel.
      1. Herculesic
        Herculesic 23 October 2017 19: 53 New
        +2
        Professor hi if you take yours, the Germans will give you the boats! The State Department will call, and everything will be decided in your favor! !!
      2. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 23 October 2017 19: 54 New
        +6
        Quote: Professor

        By boat. The final decision will be made by Germany only at the end of the investigation in Israel.

        Everything is fine. As your namesake Oleg 7700 published

        The German Kiel is enthusiastic. “A sigh of relief from Kiel shipbuilders: ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems shipyard could soon grow another three submarines. According to reports from Israel, the federal government has given green light to a new package of submarines for Israel. From the Government of Israel, on Friday, the Minister of Construction of the General Reserve Yoav Gallant confirmed the signing. Boats should begin to be operational from 2025 year. The technical details and dimensions of the new submarines are still secret. The date of signing the contract is also unknown. and on boats. "
        "According to government spokesman Steffen Seibert, the federal government signed an intergovernmental agreement to sell three submarines to Israel on Monday." To date, 23 has signed an agreement on financial support for the purchase of three additional submarines for the Israeli Navy, "said Seibert at a press conference in Berlin. The federal government was represented, at the time of signing, by the German Ministry of Defense. Seibert emphasized that the details are "confidential “The negotiations have ended, so an agreement is now possible,” he explained simply. On Friday, a federal government spokesman said the latest press reports about corruption allegations and their possible consequences were known to the government. Interestingly, several were the first to report this today. German financial and economic media.

        That is, if Israeli officials, for some reason, cheated on a manufacturer with the company, then the decision on a previous purchase was made at the Israeli Security Council and was recognized by the Germans as absolutely transparent.
        1. Professor
          Professor 23 October 2017 20: 14 New
          +7
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Everything is fine. As your namesake Oleg 7700 published

          Now I am calm. In Murnia on this occasion, the second time the brain passed. hi
        2. rruvim
          rruvim 23 October 2017 20: 49 New
          +1
          Well, in your example translation, it is clearly indicated that Germany provides financial support according to Seibert: "To date, on October 23, an agreement on financial support has been signed for the purchase of three ...". Those. after all, the Germans are financing this contract.
          I will later try to find evidence on German sites.
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 23 October 2017 21: 14 New
            +6
            Quote: rruvim
            Well, in your example translation, it is clearly indicated that Germany provides financial support according to Seibert: "To date, on October 23, an agreement on financial support has been signed for the purchase of three ...". Those. after all, the Germans are financing this contract.
            I will later try to find evidence on German sites.

            When Intell came to Israel, in addition to tax benefits, our government paid a quarter of the construction of the enterprise.
            1. rruvim
              rruvim 23 October 2017 21: 27 New
              +1
              It was not Intel that came to Israel, but “Israel” came to Inell when everything worked well there. So, the branch of his own enterprise in Haifa (1974) is a logical continuation.
      3. rruvim
        rruvim 23 October 2017 20: 10 New
        +1
        So what are the famous Jewish lawyers? They will prove that close Netanyahu has nothing to do with it ...
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  4. padded jacket
    padded jacket 23 October 2017 19: 47 New
    +6
    Yes, the case is "dark" most likely it is not in vain that Germany sponsors Israel for so long, but instead imposes sanctions against us, although Soviet citizens died in WWII five times more than Jews.
    And at the expense of “corruption”, or more simply, theft during the conclusion of this and other contracts with the Federal Republic of Germany in which Prime Minister of Israel Netanyahu himself is involved, there is no doubt that they pocked their pockets with shekels and euros, and ordinary Israeli Jews like Professor or Aron paid for it lol .
    Submarine case: 6 suspects detained, including Netanyahu's close
    Employees of the Israeli police, the tax administration and the anti-money laundering department conducted an operation to detain 10 suspects in the so-called “case 6” on the morning of Monday, July 3000, which investigated the suspicion of corruption when ordering submarines for the IDF.

    According to the Nana10 portal, among the detainees is a lawyer who is surrounded by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, a well-known businessman and four former senior officials.

    The police press service reports that during the events under investigation, some of the detainees held positions in the civil service.

    All detainees were interrogated on suspicion of corruption, tax crimes and laundering of illegal capital.

    It was later allowed to publish that among the detainees was the former deputy director of the National Security Directorate Avriel Bar-Yosef.
    http://newsru.co.il/israel/10jul2017/podlod303.ht
    ml
    Case 3000: Ganor talks about the bribing scheme for an official of the prime minister’s office
    A former senior official in the office of the Prime Minister of Israel detained this morning is suspected of bribes received from Israeli entrepreneur Mickey Ganor, representing the interests of the German Thyssen Krup concern.
    Ganor said that to lobby for the interests of Thyssen Krup in a tender for the purchase of new German submarines and military boats by the Israeli Navy, as well as in a competition for the construction of an ammonia storage, he personally transferred large sums of money to one of the senior officials of the Prime Minister’s Office, who is in the immediate circle of the head of the Israeli Government of Benjamin Netanyahu. Money qualified by the investigation as a “bribe” was transferred on the basis of an agreement on the provision of various kinds of consulting services.

    According to suspicion then part of the money received from Ganor was distributed between the two strategic advisers of Netanyahualso detained this morning.
    http://9tv.co.il/news/2017/09/03/247582.html

    So that Israeli Jews should not tell us corruption here, as they say
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 23 October 2017 19: 58 New
      +7
      Quote: quilted jacket

      So that Israeli Jews should not tell us corruption here, as they say

      Did we say that we have no corruption? We say that if the police and prosecutors can prove the guilt of the suspect, no chair will save him. For example, it did not save Ehud Olmert the current Prime Minister, who in the parliamentary republic is the real head of state.
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 23 October 2017 20: 06 New
        +5
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Did we say that we have no corruption?

        I’m not going to search now, but they said for sure.
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        For example, it did not save Ehud Olmert the current Prime Minister, who in the parliamentary republic is the real head of state.

        You see in Israel that it’s not a prime minister but a terrorist like Begin or a bribe taker like Olmert or now Netanyahu lol
        By the way, how long did Olmret sit? Instead of 6 years, only 3 and then he was pardoned smile
        1. hrych
          hrych 23 October 2017 20: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: quilted jacket
          You see in Israel that it’s not a prime minister but a terrorist like Begin or a bribe taker like Olmert or now Netanyahu

          President Moshe Katsav, a thief, a fraudster and rapist, was sentenced in 2010 to seven years in prison on several counts, including rape and obstruction of justice. Probably came out with a clear conscience and a jar of Vaseline laughing One was a normal and generally outstanding man Rabin, so they killed. Ehud Barak - travesty, disguised as women and seduced Palestinian terrorists wassat before liquidation. Holy people wassat
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 23 October 2017 20: 32 New
            +3
            Quote: hrych
            President Moshe Katsav, a thief, a fraudster and rapist, was sentenced in 2010 to seven years in prison on several counts, including rape and obstruction of justice. Probably came out with a clear conscience and a jar of Vaseline laughing

            Yes, that's how you read the history of this territorial formation called Israel, that they’re not the prime minister, they are such a thief or rapist terrorist, and how can you believe that after that? lol
            1. MadCat
              MadCat 24 October 2017 00: 21 New
              +8
              Quote: quilted jacket
              Yes, that's how you read the history of this territorial formation called Israel

              the opinion of the three-copeck Iranian bot is of last interest to the public.
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 24 October 2017 00: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: hrych
            Quote: quilted jacket
            You see in Israel that it’s not a prime minister but a terrorist like Begin or a bribe taker like Olmert or now Netanyahu

            President Moshe Katsav, a thief, a fraudster and rapist, was sentenced in 2010 to seven years in prison on several counts, including rape and obstruction of justice. Probably came out with a clear conscience and a jar of Vaseline laughing One was a normal and generally outstanding man Rabin, so they killed. Ehud Barak - travesty, disguised as women and seduced Palestinian terrorists wassat before liquidation. Holy people wassat

            Seduced before liquidation ... who is the naughty and prankster here? ))))
      2. rruvim
        rruvim 23 October 2017 20: 22 New
        +1
        This is the paradox. Israel has the Law, and there are Jews. Who grabs whom. You can’t gather in one “room”, except to quote the Torah and that, in different voices. It seems that you blame each other for corruption (including neighbors), despite the ranks and posts. Yes, even in sexual harassment. 37th in the USSR, not otherwise. And the whole question of bribes to the leadership (the TKMS Jewish lobby) and back to the Israeli government was only about the SSN’s ability to carry nuclear weapons.
    2. japs
      japs 23 October 2017 20: 01 New
      10
      Is it theft and corruption? This is gesheft, business, nothing personal!
      Theft is in the warehouses of the IDF, when two zinc stole a cartridge and a box of grenades.
      Well, and besides, the Germans owed them debt in the Holocaust ...
      There just now, in Germany, a granny of 88 years was given a sixth term for denying the Holocaust.
      Grandmother is healthy ... (c)
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 23 October 2017 20: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: japs
        There just now, in Germany, a granny of 88 years was given a sixth term for denying the Holocaust.

        Poor grandmother, but maybe she knew something smile
    3. hrych
      hrych 23 October 2017 20: 06 New
      +2
      But what about the comment of the idealist from the previous article?
      Quote: voyaka uh
      You again measure "by yourself." This is not Russia. For Americans, logistics is the strongest point. Everything is always delivered on time ... There are such high salaries in the USA that no one will risk their work, reputation and pension. Therefore, bribes are not rolled and there is no theft.

      Or it’s not the Americans wassat
    4. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 23 October 2017 20: 07 New
      +4
      The police have been waging a great battle against Netanyahu for several years now. As many as three investigations.
      In my opinion, all three are completely fake, sewn with white thread. But they hope that the prime minister’s nerves will not stand and he will resign.
      In the story with boats, he certainly had nothing to do with it. Purchase approved by MO. Boats are needed just like that and urgently.
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 23 October 2017 20: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Boats are needed just like that and urgently.

        What will the Palestinian fishermen drive? lol
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 24 October 2017 01: 03 New
          +3
          Quote: quilted jacket
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Boats are needed just like that and urgently.

          What will the Palestinian fishermen drive? lol

          No, Israel needs submarines in order to chase the leaders of a great regional power dressed in a dress and a turban, in which students of youngsters are arrested, they are arrested for dancing with people of the opposite sex (OH HORROR) in the same room ...
      2. rruvim
        rruvim 23 October 2017 20: 31 New
        0
        Well, that's about it. And replacing Nathaniaga is not a problem. In Israel, there are no irreplaceable prime ministers, this is not Russia. Everybody knows each other. Who is the bribe taker and the thief, and who is the thief and the bribe taker.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 23 October 2017 21: 14 New
          +3
          Quote: rruvim
          Well, that's about it. And replacing Nathaniaga is not a problem. In Israel, there are no irreplaceable prime ministers, this is not Russia. Everybody knows each other. Who is the bribe taker and the thief, and who is the thief and the bribe taker.

          What does this offs have to do with the topic?
          1. rruvim
            rruvim 23 October 2017 21: 29 New
            0
            That because of the U-Boots they "dig" under Netanyahu ...
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  5. Herculesic
    Herculesic 23 October 2017 19: 51 New
    +1
    The Germans needed to set bookmarks there, just in case! !!
    1. MadCat
      MadCat 24 October 2017 00: 24 New
      +3
      bookmarks to where? Arms and tracking system of Israel.
  6. Maz
    Maz 23 October 2017 20: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: 210ox
    They themselves have no submarine left .. From the Banderostan they take an example .. Anything for sale?

    Well, the Americans cannot supply them with boats, so they strained their NATO partner. And you won’t dig up everything - you’re very sorry and carry a load of guilt for what you did. Duck would increase payments to those who survived after the Second World War. There are so few left.
    1. Kurare
      Kurare 23 October 2017 20: 36 New
      +5
      Quote: Maz
      Well, the Americans cannot supply them with boats, so they strained their NATO partner.

      Americans are just with the end of World War II, i.e. somewhere around 10 years later, they do not make non-nuclear submarines, so they have nothing to supply.
  7. rruvim
    rruvim 23 October 2017 20: 03 New
    +1
    "The special responsibility of Germany for ensuring the security of Israel."
    All indemnities are paid. How many years have passed ...
  8. Maz
    Maz 23 October 2017 20: 10 New
    +2
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: DEPARTMENT
    Germany will put three submarines to Israel

    At the expense of the indemnity remaining ... It smells like evacuation! wassat

    Why's that ? Israel pays 1bn Euro. At the same time, weapons, navigation and reconnaissance systems will be made and partially installed in Israel, i.e. they will not be included in the contract amount.

    What shaw in Egypt is a terrible navy? Or in Jordan, or are the Saudis building aircraft carriers? Maybe Lebanon bought missile cruisers? Or did the powerful Navy appear in Iraq, Syria and Iran? Satellites? Nuclear weapon? And how much Israel does not pay the Germans do not want to show, Aron? There, after all, not the entire amount is paid by the promised camp. The first boat was generally received by be hinam.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 23 October 2017 20: 26 New
      +4
      Quote: Maz

      What shaw in Egypt is a terrible navy? Or in Jordan, or are the Saudis building aircraft carriers? Maybe Lebanon bought missile cruisers? Or did the powerful Navy appear in Iraq, Syria and Iran? Satellites? Nuclear weapon? And how much Israel does not pay the Germans do not want to show, Aron? There, after all, not the entire amount is paid by the promised camp. The first boat was generally received by be hinam.

      Have you turned off the Internet in Ukraine? You can take an interest in the fleet of Egypt. And the Turkish fleet, and so on. But you once lived in Israel and you know that our Navy is the long arm of the sun.
      1. Professor
        Professor 23 October 2017 20: 29 New
        +2
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Have you turned off the Internet in Ukraine? You can take an interest in the fleet of Egypt. And the Turkish fleet, and so on. But you once lived in Israel and you know that our Navy is the long arm of the sun.

        Gasterbeiter was deported?
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 23 October 2017 20: 34 New
          +2
          Quote: Professor

          Gasterbeiter was deported?

          He left. In at least one of the disputes, he wrote that he had returned to his “native Dnepropetrovsk” and that his legs would no longer be here.
          1. DEPARTMENT
            DEPARTMENT 23 October 2017 21: 18 New
            +2
            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            Quote: Professor

            Gasterbeiter was deported?

            He left. In at least one of the disputes, he wrote that he had returned to his “native Dnepropetrovsk” and that his legs would no longer be here.

            Well done..! We got to see him your "brother" Aron! ..Here now the National Battalion will register ... heh heh ..
            Then I look, Maz changed like that! bully
    2. hrych
      hrych 23 October 2017 20: 27 New
      +1
      Egypt is actually building a decent fleet, including aircraft carriers in the form of the Mistrals. Here is a big boathouse for submarines bungled.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 23 October 2017 22: 28 New
        +7
        Quote: hrych
        Egypt is really building a decent fleet,

        Colleague, hi
        The IDF prepared aviation and missile corvettes for the Egyptian fleet. And the "Dolphins" they have against Iran. According to 2, units carry a BS in the Indian Ocean with a poppy turbo SLCM rocket engine on board. But Popeye flies on 1,5ty km and carries 200kT nuclear charge. These boats are part of the classic strategic nuclear forces triad. Moreover, Dolphins are the most invulnerable and secretive element of the "second stage" for Iran. At least, so says the leadership of the Israeli Navy.
        And in the non-nuclear version, they have a typical load - 16 torpedoes (self-exit) and 5 KR of the Harpoon type, 10 NTA (6-553mm, 4-648mm) with an underwater speed of up to 20uz, and an underwater range of up to 7500km.
        Quite robust, from a military point of view.
        But!
        1. hrych
          hrych 23 October 2017 23: 00 New
          0
          Nobody argues with that. drinksbut give Jewish submariners a job in the Mediterranean laughing
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    1. rruvim
      rruvim 23 October 2017 20: 53 New
      +1
      More trophy lifts. On one of them in 1981, he drew a version of the German metallurgical mill, but with our KNOW-HOW.
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      1. rruvim
        rruvim 23 October 2017 21: 08 New
        +1
        I answered “deleted comment”, it was not deleted then.
  11. rruvim
    rruvim 23 October 2017 21: 06 New
    +1
    I went through German sites and realized that after all, a third of the deal was Federal subsidies. Under what conditions is not clear. But obviously, “slightly” more from the expected profit of the Shipyard. Verdict: This project is fully subsidized by the Federal Government. Poor Germans ... How they "cheated" them again.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 23 October 2017 21: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: rruvim
      I went through German sites and realized that after all, a third of the deal was Federal subsidies. Under what conditions is not clear. But obviously, “slightly” more from the expected profit of the Shipyard. Verdict: This project is fully subsidized by the Federal Government. Poor Germans ... How they "cheated" them again.

      More specific?
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 23 October 2017 21: 31 New
        +1
        For example:
        http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/bundesr
        egierung-genehmigt-u-boot-deal-mit-israel-a-xnumx
        29.html
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 23 October 2017 21: 49 New
          +2
          Quote: rruvim
          For example:
          http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/bundesr
          egierung-genehmigt-u-boot-deal-mit-israel-a-xnumx
          29.html

          SPIEGEL? laughing
          1. rruvim
            rruvim 23 October 2017 22: 04 New
            0
            Well, this is how our "Spark". The guys also watch "Saturday".
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 24 October 2017 01: 07 New
      0
      Quote: rruvim
      I went through German sites and realized that after all, a third of the deal was Federal subsidies. Under what conditions is not clear. But obviously, “slightly” more from the expected profit of the Shipyard. Verdict: This project is fully subsidized by the Federal Government. Poor Germans ... How they "cheated" them again.

      Deal two lard, the Germans pay a quarter
  12. Old26
    Old26 23 October 2017 23: 22 New
    +2
    Quote: 210ox
    The submarines themselves have no more ..

    Kamrad! Have you already been banned in Yandex and Google? What, it’s so hard to forget the question of the German Navy and see what they have?
  13. Oleg7700
    Oleg7700 24 October 2017 00: 02 New
    +6
    Hello everyone, have a nice day! In the German source, the statement of the representative of the German government, it says “Regierungsabkommens” - “intergovernmental agreement”, and not “declaration of understanding”. The next stage is a work contract with TKMS. Financing in the German budget from the German Ministry of Defense, open by year (I go to the corresponding website of the Bundestag) 2018-2027. in the amount of 540 pl. Euro (that is, the first boat is 100% due to the subsidy, then Israel pays in installments) and goes in the column: - "defense system for Israel." Why does the author give in the title Dolphin -1? Dolphin-2AIP 68.6 m. 2000/2400 t. (Underwater) but everything about Dolphin-3 is shrouded in mystery, as the Germans write. However, the "Dakar" under construction may present a surprise: - according to the plan, it should have been launched six months ago, but Israel agreed to a delay, "for the sake of testing and installing new systems" ... Have a good week.
  14. LAWNER
    LAWNER 24 October 2017 03: 41 New
    +3
    The 7th flotilla is growing ...
    Alternative news ... During a friendly call of the Russian Navy ships to the ports of Haifa, Ashdod and Eilat, Senator McCain (the official version is cancer) died of heart failure, the King of Saudi Arabia Abdullah (the official version is old age), Jens Stolnberg made the "red eagle" ( rumored to be the commander of Scaparotti).

    On a return visit to the ships of the Israeli Navy, Erdogan suddenly died (during the passage through the Bosphorus), DEPARTMENT (short circuit, splashed tea on the computer). McCain came to life, but when he realized that he was dead again. Iran became a secular state (Arab spring-by other versions of Bear Disease)
    Black humor from the provocateur)))