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Kurds knocked out two Iraqi tanks

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Peshmerga fighters who began military operations against Iraqi pro-government forces entering Kurdistan announced the destruction of two Iraqi tanks (one M1A1M Abrams and one T-72), one armored personnel carrier of more than 12 HMMWV cars. It is reported bmpd.




According to the Kurds, all this equipment belonged to the pro-government Al-Hashd al-Shaabi pro-government Shiite militia who tried to seize the village of Prde (south of Erbil), which, moreover, had been killed and wounded in an armed clash to 150.

Video of tank М1А1М Abrams of Iraqi forces destroyed in the Prde area

According to sources, the tank M1A1M Abrams was destroyed by the Kurds using the anti-tank missile system MILAN.

The resource recalls that the portable MBDA MILAN anti-tank systems were transferred to the Peshmerge by the German government from the presence of armed forces of the Federal Republic of Germany for the purpose of combating terrorists.

Video of the same destroyed tank М1А1М

“The first batch of MILAN-supplied ATGMs, including 30 launchers and 500 guided missiles, was delivered to Iraqi Kurdistan in September 2014. In the 2015, 30 launchers and 213 missiles were delivered, and in 2016, more 300 missiles (the MILAN-2 missiles were delivered to the Kurds), ”the material says.
Photos used:
bmpd.livejournal.com/Wolfgang Rattay
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  1. Grandfather
    Grandfather 23 October 2017 13: 54
    +2
    two Iraqi tanks (one M1A1M Abrams and one T-72)
    account one-by-one ...? (with Americans)
    1. Gado
      Gado 23 October 2017 20: 27
      +4
      Wow, I only read here yesterday that the Kurds have nothing to answer for Iraqi tanks. And those on, "MILAN."
      1. Normal ok
        Normal ok 23 October 2017 22: 48
        0
        Quote: Gado
        Wow, I only read here yesterday that the Kurds have nothing to answer for Iraqi tanks. And those on, "MILAN."

        No need to be so gullible. especially to what they write here)))
      2. ss29
        ss29 24 October 2017 00: 55
        0
        Kurds have 2 divisions formally included in the whole of Iraq.
  2. Gray brother
    Gray brother 23 October 2017 13: 54
    +5
    Good mine for a bad game.
  3. Gml
    Gml 23 October 2017 13: 56
    +7
    Congratulations to the Kurds on the initiative
    1. askme
      askme 23 October 2017 14: 03
      +9
      You can congratulate them as much as you like, only the complete blockade of Kurdistan by Turkey, Syria and Iraq with Iran is very real. Whereas the supply of Iraq will be uninterrupted, by water, land and air ...
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 23 October 2017 14: 08
        +5
        “Whereas Iraq’s Supply Will Be Uninterrupted” ///

        Who will supply it? Americans are not. They are not interested
        in defeating the Kurds. Air and art. Shiites will not have support, as
        earlier, during the assault on Mosul and other cities.
        1. askme
          askme 23 October 2017 14: 56
          +7
          Those who supply now will continue to do so. The Americans are very unreliable suppliers of the Iraqi Armed Forces ... Confused. This Kurds will not support the Iraqi Air Force)) But Iraq has its own Air Force, they will be enough. But it’s not enough, they’ll buy it from the counterterror allies ...)
        2. hrych
          hrych 23 October 2017 16: 08
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Americans are not. They are not interested
          in defeating the Kurds

          And here it is decided that it is more valuable, the already existing share of the West in the development of a super deposit in Rumail with the proximity of the Persian Gulf terminals or the promising Kirkuk oil with the prospect of war and troubled logistics. We keep in our minds the army of the Mahdi, which if something awakens from hibernation. Therefore, the US has already sold the Kurds laughing
        3. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 23 October 2017 20: 37
          0
          I agree ...
        4. kos2910
          kos2910 24 October 2017 05: 27
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Americans are not. They are not interested

          Don’t tell my slippers. Americans for the loot will sell anything, anyone. Especially in Iraq, a bunch of military bases - it’s convenient to write off losses.
      2. Grits
        Grits 24 October 2017 09: 31
        +1
        only the complete blockade of Kurdistan by Turkey, Syria and Iraq with Iran is very real.
        This is the case if the Kurds with the help of the Americans do not break the path from Omar to Abu Kemal and along the border to Jordan. Then there will be no blockade. And judging by how the SAA went through a mediocre lobster, this is a very real plan.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 23 October 2017 14: 04
      +7
      Kurds are good disciplined foot soldiers. Rakku - a large city -
      taken neatly, with low own losses. Do not twist into the windshields
      attacks like the IRGC. When it is convenient, they advance, when necessary, they retreat.
      If they overcome their internal clan swarms, the Shiite army will be forced out
      they can.
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 23 October 2017 14: 07
        +9
        Quote: voyaka uh
        . Rakku - a large city -
        taken neatly

        After unobstructed release of the hostages with hostages.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 23 October 2017 14: 10
          +8
          The ordinary ISIS and their families, citizens of Syria, were released without weapons.
          All foreigners (including Iraqis) were soaked.

          About the same agreement was in Aleppo - militants
          released, not destroyed.
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 23 October 2017 14: 13
            +6
            Quote: voyaka uh
            All foreigners (including Iraqis) were soaked.

            You might think they asked for a passport at the exit, and “family members” were needed so that aviation would not cover the road.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 23 October 2017 14: 22
              +9
              It is very easy to define "friend or foe" - by accent.
              Any question, and the answer is clear from this area or not.
              1. Gray brother
                Gray brother 23 October 2017 14: 28
                +6
                Quote: voyaka uh
                Any question, and the answer is clear from this area or not.

                Yeah, I can directly see how they filter armed militants:
                “You're against the wall, and you're on the bus.”
                “You're on the bus, and you're on the wall.”
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 23 October 2017 14: 29
                  +7
                  Exactly. Exactly. Therefore, foreigners did not come to the filter.
                  1. Gray brother
                    Gray brother 23 October 2017 14: 33
                    +7
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    Exactly. Exactly. Therefore, foreigners did not come to the filter.

                    And all the batteries in the phones were exhausted as always.
                    I don’t think that the Kurds were any closer to them than a kilometer closer.
      2. St Petrov
        St Petrov 23 October 2017 14: 10
        15
        Rakku - a large city -
        taken neatly, with low own losses.


        In Dresden, Americans wonder how much they lost. probably as much as in Racca

        when you tell these stories, about the Kurds who occupied the city after a couple of years of bombing by a coalition in 60 states + an agreement on the issue of an igil - do you have nothing to skip anywhere?

        After all, in any way, something is flying around somewhere, yes, warrior-wow? You are here one of the most adequate Israelis, do not disappoint

        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 23 October 2017 14: 34
          +6
          About Dresden Konoshenkov blurted out as always.
          He has a fake after a fake. Everyone is used to it, as with Psaki once.
          Civilians after the blockade of Raqqa were released, as before the assault,
          and during the storming of individual quarters.
          You probably noticed: the ruins show, but no corpses.
          The Kurds lost few fighters, and ISIS - the more the better.
          1. Thrall
            Thrall 23 October 2017 14: 43
            13
            Where can I get a complete collection of fairy tales about the Kurds?
            Preferably with pictures smile
            1. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 23 October 2017 15: 58
              +5
              Quote: Thrall
              Where can I get a complete collection of fairy tales about the Kurds?
              Preferably with pictures smile

              lol lol lol good good good
            2. Normal ok
              Normal ok 23 October 2017 22: 51
              0
              Quote: Thrall
              Where can I get a complete collection of fairy tales about the Kurds?
              Preferably with pictures smile

              Usually Russia-24 and RT indulge in fairy tales. Only Kurds are they while do not like. What the TsU will do, so will the fairy tales about the Kurds.
            3. IL-18
              IL-18 23 October 2017 23: 19
              +3
              Quote: Thrall
              Where can I get a complete collection of fairy tales about the Kurds?
              Preferably with pictures smile

              This is to Bagdasarov at Solovyov.
          2. sogdy
            sogdy 23 October 2017 14: 56
            +3
            Quote: voyaka uh
            You probably noticed: the ruins show, but no corpses.

            Without housing, without money, these civilians have already been killed; their situation is no better than that of zombies. In the best case, someone will break into Europe, the rest will go into slavery. No matter how beautiful this slavery is called.
      3. Gray brother
        Gray brother 23 October 2017 14: 10
        +3
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Shiite army force out
        they can.

        If they are equipped, the Kurds are at the level of ISIS, to sit in settlements and wait until they are razed to the ground - this is their ceiling.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 23 October 2017 14: 40
          +7
          "in terms of equipment, the Kurds are at the level of ISIS" ///

          Not. ISIS “ate” trophies, and provided the Kurds with modern weapons
          and trained them to use experienced NATO instructors.
          ISIS took "mental attacks", suicides and fantastic cruelty
          in relation to the prisoners.
          And the Kurds are taught infantry tactics to advance and retreat, minimizing losses. Captives
          they do not lynch. They can give up.
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 23 October 2017 14: 47
            +7
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Not. ISIS “ate” trophies,

            Yeah, just "tow" were the trophies - there’s nowhere to go. Normally, they bought weapons through intermediaries until they cut off the oil industry.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 23 October 2017 15: 03
              +5
              "" tow "trophies - there’s nowhere to go" ///

              ISU almost did not have TOU. Only recaptured from other fighters.
              TOU received (and receive) groups in Idlib. But there are no ISIS in Idlib.
          2. Gray brother
            Gray brother 23 October 2017 14: 48
            +4
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Captives
            they do not lynch. They can give up.

            You just wrote about executions to me)))
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 23 October 2017 15: 02
              +7
              Quote: Gray Brother
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Captives
              they do not lynch. They can give up.

              You just wrote about executions to me)))

              voyaka uh you can invent it as they say "experienced warrior" of the information front lol
              "Inherited the fate of Dresden 1945": video frames from the bombed US coalition Racca

              "Residential areas razed to the ground": residents of Syrian Raqqa on the actions of a coalition led by the United States
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 23 October 2017 15: 36
                12
                Here is the center of Grozny in the year 2000.
                The same as in Racca, or Aleppo. When it is very necessary to take the enemy city, they go for its destruction.
                Do not hypocritically blame others for what we do ourselves.
                1. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 23 October 2017 15: 55
                  +8
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  When it is very necessary to take an enemy city, they go for its destruction. It is not necessary to hypocritically blame others for what we do ourselves.

                  Well, you, for example, Israeli Jews did not try to take the Gaza Strip, but it was destroyed, by the way, and everything around it, what are these standards - triple? lol


                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Here is the center of Grozny in the year 2000.

                  This is the center where the fighting took place there was almost no population; the rest of the city remained relatively intact.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 23 October 2017 17: 18
                    0
                    Quote: quilted jacket
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    When it is very necessary to take an enemy city, they go for its destruction. It is not necessary to hypocritically blame others for what we do ourselves.

                    Well, you, for example, Israeli Jews did not try to take the Gaza Strip, but it was destroyed, by the way, and everything around it, what are these standards - triple? lol


                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    Here is the center of Grozny in the year 2000.

                    This is the center where the fighting took place there was almost no population; the rest of the city remained relatively intact.

                    There were other goals in the fighting with the Gaza Strip - the cessation of Hamas firing on our cities. Unfortunately, Hamas leaders calmed down only when Gaza began to look like this
                    1. padded jacket
                      padded jacket 23 October 2017 17: 28
                      +3
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      There were other goals in the fighting with the Gaza Strip - the cessation of Hamas firing on our cities.

                      Well, the whole point here is that you have occupied the homeland of these very Palestinians from the Gaza Strip so they are taking revenge on you so that the shelling of Israeli cities is mostly on the conscience of Israel itself.
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      Unfortunately, Hamas leaders calmed down only when Gaza began to look like this

                      And you calmed down when you killed thousands of Palestinian civilians and destroyed their homes?
                      This is the road to nowhere; they will also continue to kill you;
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 23 October 2017 17: 37
                        0
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        There were other goals in the fighting with the Gaza Strip - the cessation of Hamas firing on our cities.

                        Well, the whole point here is that you have occupied the homeland of these very Palestinians from the Gaza Strip so they are taking revenge on you so that the shelling of Israeli cities is mostly on the conscience of Israel itself.
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Unfortunately, Hamas leaders calmed down only when Gaza began to look like this

                        And you calmed down when you killed thousands of Palestinian civilians and destroyed their homes?
                        This is the road to nowhere; they will also continue to kill you;

                        That’s why they took revenge. And Gaza was first eyed by Egypt in 1948. Then Israel in 1967 recaptured It from Egypt. Then Israel, in turn, left Gaza in 2005. And they still take revenge.
                        The reason - it was necessary to recognize the UN resolution of 1947 on the division of Palestine into Jewish and Arab states, and not try to squeeze the land from the Jews. The result is a bombed and useless Strip.
                      2. Lord
                        Lord 23 October 2017 21: 50
                        +1
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        Well, the whole point here is that you have occupied the homeland of these very Palestinians from the Gaza Strip so they are taking revenge on you ...

                        There is a good proverb - "you can’t, don’t torment opu."
                        Any "revenge" has its price, in their case - the ruins in place of the quarters they controlled.
                        Or maybe someone guaranteed them impunity in response to their "revenge"?
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        And you calmed down when you killed thousands of Palestinian civilians and destroyed their homes?

                        Less than a thousand. Nobody forcibly forced your “avengers” to use civilians as a human shield and mine them at home.
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        This is the road to nowhere ...

                        For them, for sure, until they change their minds.
            2. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 23 October 2017 15: 06
              +4
              RAKKA - a special story. All executioners and special services sat there.
              ISIS, all their ideologists, recruiters, computer scientists. It was the capital of the Caliphate.
              There, in theory, it was necessary to kill everyone. What the Americans did from the air.
              To the displeasure of Mr. Konoshenkov.
          3. sogdy
            sogdy 23 October 2017 14: 59
            +6
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Not. ISIS "ate" trophies

            With crazy incomes all over the world ?!
            Warrior, are you really in Israel? Chase something nipadetski.
          4. Setrac
            Setrac 23 October 2017 15: 06
            +5
            Quote: voyaka uh
            and the Kurds were equipped with modern weapons

            There is such a thing as "modern weapons", but there is such a thing as "heavy weapons". And no “modern” weapon will help if the enemy has an advantage in “heavy” weapons.
            1. Gransasso
              Gransasso 23 October 2017 15: 14
              +3
              Quote: Setrac
              There is such a thing as "modern weapons", but there is such a thing as "heavy weapons". And no “modern” weapon will help if the enemy has an advantage in “heavy” weapons.



              Assad in 2011 what advantage was in "heavy weapons" over insurgents? .... or the Iraqi army over ISIS when they fled from Mosul ...
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 23 October 2017 15: 17
                +3
                Quote: Gransasso
                Assad in 2011 what advantage was in "heavy weapons" over insurgents? .... or the Iraqi army over ISIS when they fled from Mosul ...

                That's precisely what Assad did not have an advantage, the US and Israeli aviation did not allow the destruction of the terrorists with their bombing of the Syrian government army.
                1. Gransasso
                  Gransasso 23 October 2017 15: 22
                  +1
                  Quote: Setrac
                  That’s precisely what Assad didn’t have, the US and Israeli aviation did not allow the destruction of terrorists with their bombing of the Syrian government army




                  Israel and the USA bombed Assad’s army? ...
                  1. St Petrov
                    St Petrov 23 October 2017 15: 26
                    +4
                    Israel and the USA bombed Assad’s army? ...


                    not? understandably
                  2. Setrac
                    Setrac 23 October 2017 15: 30
                    +8
                    Quote: Gransasso
                    Israel and the USA bombed Assad’s army? ...

                    And now they are bombing. Americans like "miss" periodically, and Israel is bombing openly.
                    The Americans are “mistaken”, bombed “by mistake” in the Syrian army, and then the barmalei attack - they have shamans there who will shake the tambourine, they predict in advance when the elves will mess up
                2. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 23 October 2017 15: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Quote: Gransasso
                  Assad in 2011 what advantage was in "heavy weapons" over insurgents? .... or the Iraqi army over ISIS when they fled from Mosul ...

                  That's precisely what Assad did not have an advantage, the US and Israeli aviation did not allow the destruction of the terrorists with their bombing of the Syrian government army.

                  It’s not a matter of bombing, (a little bit of serious SAA bombing by Amers or Jews was not there), but in the split of Syrian society and the army, as its derivative
                3. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 23 October 2017 15: 42
                  +5
                  "That's exactly what Assad did not have an advantage" ///
                  ----
                  The war in Syria began in 2011. Assad had 1500 tanks.
                  And more than a hundred aircraft. ISIS was not in Syria then. Only Syrian fighters.
                  Neither Americans nor Israelis helped any of Assad’s opponents.
                  However, Assad suffered a severe
                  defeat, lost all territory of the country and almost lost at all.
                  So, only the intervention of Russia saved him from collapse.
                  1. St Petrov
                    St Petrov 23 October 2017 16: 07
                    +8
                    Neither Americans nor Israelis helped any of Assad’s opponents.


                    it's not even funny
                  2. Stabilization
                    Stabilization 23 October 2017 19: 29
                    +2
                    Syrian militants have been on the force of a month (I exaggerate), then we can’t talk about any civil war. and the fact that from almost the first months, gangsters of all stripes, from around the world, supported by the "civilized", had, among other things, heavy weapons and huge human reserves, you do not take into account ... Why? Assad’s army was inferior in many respects from the very beginning. 1500 tanks ... How many are in good condition?
                  3. Setrac
                    Setrac 23 October 2017 20: 05
                    +4
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    Neither Americans nor Israelis helped any of Assad’s opponents.

                    Well, why lie so openly?
                4. Lord
                  Lord 23 October 2017 22: 05
                  +1
                  Quote: Setrac
                  US and Israeli aviation did not allow the destruction of terrorists with their bombing of the Syrian government army.

                  Nonsense does not need to write. The United States "bombed" the Syrians once, and it was literally a year ago, and all the years before that, they had successfully blown themselves.
                  About Israel is generally funny. The loss of a dozen soldiers and a pair of howitzers near the Israeli border broke Syrian troops?
                  If Israel undertook to bomb "as an adult," then the Syrian Air Force, Air Defense, armored vehicles, and in general, larger and larger mopeds, would have been completely destroyed, even when the Kremlin had plans, and the militants would have taken Syria by walking in a couple of weeks, and hung Assad would be in the central square of Damascus.
                  So save these childhood excuses for a less thinking public.
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 23 October 2017 22: 11
                    +4
                    Quote: Lord
                    Nonsense does not need to write. US "bombed" the Syrians once

                    Quote: Lord
                    If Israel undertakes to bomb "on an adult"

                    And they bombed an adult, blow up your eyes, half of the country was destroyed by bombing even before Russian intervention.
                    Quote: Lord
                    So save these childhood excuses for a less thinking public.

                    Do you think the “thinking” audience is those who wag their tail at the sight of the American and Israeli flags?
                    1. Lord
                      Lord 23 October 2017 23: 47
                      +1
                      Quote: Setrac
                      And they bombed an adult, blow up your eyes, half of the country was destroyed by bombing ...

                      How many planes shot down? How many armored vehicles burned? How many strategic sites were destroyed? How much manpower was buried in the ground? How many cities turned into ruins? What bombing of Israel (by date) had strategic (or at least tactical) influence on the course of the database?
                      Come on, do not be shy - hit us with numbers, dates, calculations. The audience is waiting.
                      Quote: Setrac
                      Do you think the “thinking” audience is those who wag their tail at the sight of the American and Israeli flags?

                      God forbid, as well as not their Russian "analogue" (of which there are also enough on the site). The thinking public does not believe every screaming headline, knows how to analyze information, separate slogans from facts, draw its own conclusions for each separate occasion, is not conducted on stereotypes, and does not delegate the thought process to the zombie.
                      1. Setrac
                        Setrac 24 October 2017 21: 11
                        +1
                        Quote: Lord
                        Come on, do not be shy - hit us with numbers, dates, calculations. The audience is waiting.

                        Quote: Lord
                        The thinking public does not believe every screaming headline, knows how to analyze information, separate slogans from facts, draw its own conclusions for each individual case, is not conducted on stereotypes, and does not delegate the thought process to the zombie man.

                        Don't you think that these two of your theses contradict each other?
                        That is, where it’s convenient for you — you believe “numbers and dates,” and where it’s not convenient — are you a thinking and analyzing public?

                        What calculations do you need? Every day, Americans bombed Assad’s army, followed by militants; these bombings were also reported in the Western media.
                      2. Lord
                        Lord 24 October 2017 22: 31
                        0
                        Quote: Setrac
                        Don't you think ...

                        It seems to me that you are evading the answer to a specific question, trying to blur and divert the topic.
                        Quote: Setrac
                        What calculations do you need? Americans bombed Assad’s army every day, followed by militants

                        It is about: “Americans bombed Assad’s army every day” calculations and are needed, by facts. Video, photos, documentation, official statements from the Russian Foreign Ministry at least.
                        So far, you are repeating myself, I have not asked to repeat myself, I have asked for evidence, arguments, facts, at least something that confirms your statement.
                        Or offer to take your word for it? laughing
            2. Lord
              Lord 23 October 2017 21: 53
              +1
              Quote: Setrac
              And no “modern” weapon will help if the enemy has an advantage in “heavy” weapons.

              Tell this to the Syrians, who practically profiled the country before the intervention of the Russian Federation, and the Iraqis who profiled half the country before the US intervention.
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 23 October 2017 22: 07
                +3
                Quote: Lord
                Tell this to the Syrians, who practically profiled the country before the intervention of the Russian Federation, and the Iraqis who profiled half the country before the US intervention.

                Those same Americans? Which directly assist terrorists?
                Until the sky was closed from Anglo-American aviation, Syria did not have any victories.
                You confuse the sinful with the righteous, it is thanks to the Europeans and the Americans, their support of terrorists, in countries such as Libya that the terrorists defeated and almost defeated in Syria, but the Russians prevented it.
                1. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 23 October 2017 22: 39
                  +5
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Those same Americans? Which directly assist terrorists?

                  But to whom do you explain Israel is the same as the US sponsor of Syrian terrorists.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 24 October 2017 01: 58
                    -1
                    Quote: quilted jacket
                    Quote: Setrac
                    Those same Americans? Which directly assist terrorists?

                    But to whom do you explain Israel is the same as the US sponsor of Syrian terrorists.

                    If Israel sponsors anyone in Syria, then only the Kurds.
                    1. Grits
                      Grits 24 October 2017 09: 55
                      +4
                      If Israel sponsors anyone in Syria, then only the Kurds.
                      And the terrorists are simply treated in their hospitals. Well, sometimes they help from the air.
                2. Lord
                  Lord 23 October 2017 23: 56
                  +1
                  Quote: Setrac
                  directly assist terrorists?

                  Provide evidence, not indirect?
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Until the sky was closed from Anglo-American aviation

                  Call at least one date for a serious and targeted air raid on Syrian troops by the coalition before entering the Russian Aerospace Forces.
                  It is advisable with reference to a serious news resource.
                  Quote: Setrac
                  You confuse the sinful with the righteous.

                  I don’t confuse anything, I look at the facts, ignore someone else’s assessment of these facts and give my own. And you do not, you duplicate and exaggerate the opinion created by the Russian media, read - specialists in manipulating public opinion.
                  Unlike you - I do not like it when they try to manipulate my opinion. By the way, I believe in Western media no more than Russian, precisely for the same reason.
          5. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan 23 October 2017 20: 41
            +2
            But here I do not agree ... What other "trophy" weapons does ISIS have ?! And huge warehouses with Bulgarian weapons of 2015, which were also captured in battles ?! ISIS is supplying the USA with everything that is possible ... Part of this will also come to Israel, the main thing is to help ISIS more and get more “gifts” from them ...
      4. askme
        askme 23 October 2017 14: 58
        +2
        No, they can’t. Because they do not have their own air force. But Iraq has an air force. Moreover, modern ... This is a war of regular armies. The war of heavy armored vehicles and artillery. Against which the Air Force is extremely effective. Iraqi forces have every opportunity to reduce the Kurds to partisans ...
      5. askme
        askme 23 October 2017 15: 08
        +2
        Kurds have no chance. Because all their heavy armored vehicles and artillery will be multiplied by zero the Iraqi Air Force. On the plains of Iraq, Kurds are just a target, with no chance. About Raqqa you have already been explained that it was not the Kurds who took it, but the US Air Force, totally destroying the city. In Iraq, they will have no chance ...
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 23 October 2017 15: 13
          +2
          "multiplied by zero Iraqi Air Force." ///

          ... if they are allowed to do this, the US Air Force. Or they themselves will be multiplied
          to zero. Most likely, the Americans will make a no-fly zone there:
          neither Iraqis will fly, nor anyone else.
          1. askme
            askme 23 October 2017 15: 22
            +5
            Well, if the US starts a war against Iraq, they will deal with all of Iraq’s allies. Simply put, they will be cut very quickly throughout Iraq. This is the Third World. In the USA, of course, there are a lot of frostbitten, but not so much)) the USA has no sane reason to introduce a no-fly zone in Iraq. Otherwise, it is gross aggression with all the consequences. Aggression, including against the Russian Air Force, constantly using the airspace of Iraq. If at least one side of the Russian Air Force is shot down by the US Air Force, a massive fall of the US Air Force over Syrian territory will begin and not only) No, to this extent they have not frostbite yet) So nothing shines for the Kurds, alas ...)
            1. Viktor.12.71
              Viktor.12.71 23 October 2017 17: 13
              +1
              Quote: askme
              Simply put, they will be cut very quickly throughout Iraq. This is the Third World.

              World War III with Iraq? Is it loud? Iraq's only real ally is Iran. They have no chance against the United States and the Gulf countries. Do not forget that large US bases are located precisely in the Gulf countries, where the Iranian borders are within easy reach. There is a chance that Israel will join against Iran.
              1. askme
                askme 23 October 2017 18: 23
                +1
                Well, this is your opinion only. Iran and Russia are allies of Iraq (like Syria, by the way). If the United States starts a war against Iran, they will inevitably face Russia, since Iran is an important transit, part of the regularly used strategic air bridge connecting Russia and Syria. And Russia is now even diplomatically much tougher than before defending Iran from US attacks with a gang. This time. And two - do not distort, Iraq is not going to fight the United States. It was about the mythical no-fly zone over Iraq from the United States, which was seen by a colleague. That is, the actual declaration of war on Iraq by the United States. This is the beginning of World War III. What the United States simply won’t do. That is what it is about. And I explained in detail what was the matter.
                1. Viktor.12.71
                  Viktor.12.71 23 October 2017 20: 18
                  0
                  I doubt that Russia will hit with a nuclear club on the territory of Europe, the Middle East, Africa, Asia and the United States because of Iraq and Iran. In order to neutralize the largest military bases in the same bay, it is necessary to hit nuclear weapons at them, which accordingly will touch Israel, which also has nuclear weapons. It is not that simple. Here is an article about US bases in BV https://topwar.ru/94464-amerikanskie-zarubezhnye-
                  voennye-bazy-na-snimkah-google-earth-chast-2-ya.h
                  tml My opinion is that if they start to roll Iraq and Iran, we just hear the notes of protest at the UN, no more.
                  1. askme
                    askme 23 October 2017 21: 43
                    +2
                    You still forgot to add South America. Brought to absurdity, and then reduced to "notes of protest." You have delirium in severe form. Reread what I wrote about.
                    1. Viktor.12.71
                      Viktor.12.71 24 October 2017 08: 26
                      0
                      You wrote: Well, if the United States starts a war against Iraq, they will deal with all of Iraq’s allies. Simply put, they will be cut very quickly throughout Iraq. This is the Third World.
                      I wrote my opinion that Russia will not intervene, even if they hit the plane (s), God forbid, of course. In BV, the United States dominates, humble yourself. Remember when the Pakistanis shot down 7 aircraft of the USSR, there were no attacks on Pakistan. Yes, there will be screams, tears, but no more.
                      1. askme
                        askme 24 October 2017 09: 41
                        +3
                        What you wrote is obvious demagogy. Just yet, South America has not been mentioned. First, the United States no longer dominates the Middle East. And secondly, the United States came into conflict with Russia in the Middle East, specifically in Syria. If they also enter Iraq, they will receive an answer. Both in Syria and in Iraq, Russia is engaged in a counter-terrorist operation, and not in a war with the United States. If Russia in the course of its counter-terrorism war is directly attacked by the United States, Russia will respond. What you wrote is rubbish. The US did not respond to Iran about the death of its special forces in Iran during the operation to free the hostages at the embassy. From this, too, to conclude that the United States is a tearful nation that does not respond to aggression? This is nonsense. It’s just different situations.
                      2. Viktor.12.71
                        Viktor.12.71 24 October 2017 11: 20
                        +1
                        askme,
                        US not dominant in BV? With so many bases and military equipment? And who then dominates? If the United States strikes at the Russian military, you simply don’t know about it, they will say in the news that you’ve destroyed the SAA detachment, if you take down the Americans and again you don’t know, losses can come up if some Arab does not put it on the Internet. The only one who writes nonsense here is unfortunately you said that declaring war on Iran by Iran is tantamount to declaring war on Russia
                        Quote: askme
                        Iran and Russia are allies of Iraq (like Syria, by the way). If the US starts a war against Iran, they will inevitably face Russia,

                        What will Russia do against the United States and its allies in the BV? Cracks around the world of nuclear weapons?
                2. Lord
                  Lord 23 October 2017 22: 21
                  +2
                  Quote: askme
                  Iran and Russia are allies of Iraq

                  That's just the American troops stationed in Iraq.
                  Quote: askme
                  If the United States starts a war against Iran, they will inevitably face Russia.

                  Do not collide, Russia will not directly attack the US military, as the Americans do on the Russian, since it is a nuclear armageddean.
                  Then who first got up - that and slippers. Russia was the first to succeed in Syria - therefore, the United States did not enter there; if they had time to be the first, then Russia would not enter there.
                  Russia can only proactively send troops into Iran and close it with a "commissar body" if Iran agrees to this. And if the United States invades Iran first, then all that the Russian Federation can do is help Iran with weapons and intelligence.
                  Russia will not unleash a nuclear war for Iran, even if it is at least three times an ally.
                  Quote: askme
                  Iraq is not going to fight with the USA.

                  Because de facto, Iraq belongs to the USA.
                  Quote: askme
                  It was about the mythical no-fly zone over Iraq from the United States, which was seen by a colleague.

                  If ordered, Iraq will not dare to utter a word.
                  Quote: askme
                  That is, the actual declaration of war on Iraq by the United States.

                  Why war, if they can simply change the government to a more loyal one?
                  Quote: askme
                  And I explained in detail what was the matter.

                  You are mistaken.
                  1. askme
                    askme 23 October 2017 22: 31
                    +2
                    You are mistaken - you. And lie to the same. The United States entered Syria. And brazenly. Russia has been there since 1971, meanwhile. So Russia, too, will move the United States in Iraq without problems if the United States starts really messing up there against the Iraqi Air Force, and even more so if they dare to declare a no-fly zone, thereby trying to break our strategic air bridge. Clear? In other words, if they behave aggressively against an ally of Russia and against the Russian Air Force. They will receive an adequate response to aggression. Of course, no one is going to start a nuclear conflict with them. But nobody will also allow aggression against the Russian Air Force by interrupting the air bridge. In addition, Russia has a joint anti-terrorism center in Iraq. There are our officers. Of course, we will protect ourselves. And the Iraqi allies at the same time. Well, if the Yankees really want a nuclear conflict - they will also be burned. The aggravation is played by the Yankees. Both in Syria and in Iraq. They answer, if that ...
                    1. Lord
                      Lord 24 October 2017 00: 27
                      0
                      Quote: askme
                      You are mistaken - you. And lie to the same.

                      Too peremptory to be true. A thinking person is no stranger to healthy skepticism, and certainly avoids unnecessary aplomb.
                      Quote: askme
                      The United States entered Syria.

                      They climbed in - it is said loudly, for some reason I did not see the United States ILC marching in Syria.
                      Quote: askme
                      Russia has been there since 1971, meanwhile.

                      It is also said loudly. Until the 90s, the USSR was there, and not Russia - this is in the first place, and for 15 years almost no one has been there - this is in the second.
                      Quote: askme
                      Russia will move the USA to Iraq without any problems

                      And in what way, if not a secret? With almost tenfold US quantitative superiority in the region, not to mention allies.
                      Quote: askme
                      try to break our strategic air bridge.

                      That air bridge will be laid elsewhere, Shoigu is adequate enough not to send transport aircraft "weakly." Moreover, they do not have to be shot down, there are many ways to banally squeeze them out of the closed zone.
                      Quote: askme
                      In addition, Russia has a joint anti-terrorism center in Iraq. There are our officers.

                      20 people? thirty? Not even funny. They will simply be politely asked to leave, and the dumb ones will be escorted to the plane under the white handles, moreover, correctly and with an apology for temporary inconvenience.
                      Quote: askme
                      Well, if the Yankees really want a nuclear conflict - they will also be burned. The aggravation is played by the Yankees. Both in Syria and in Iraq. They answer, if that ...

                      Before god? Well, if everyone burns out.
                      Quote: askme
                      The aggravation is played by the Yankees.

                      And they say you. Your word, against their word. Pat.
                      I personally do not believe both sides, because I know that both sides are waging an information war for their interests.
                      The world is more prosaic than any ideology describes. Try to look at things more calmly and objectively.
                      1. askme
                        askme 24 October 2017 00: 43
                        +2
                        Too peremptory to be true. A thinking person is no stranger to healthy skepticism, and certainly avoids unnecessary aplomb.

                        Too many words are not the case, which suggests that you feel the weakness of your arguments and are trying to replace their absence with personal assessments. You said that the US is not in Syria. This is a blatant lie. In fact. The United States is in Syria. And they try to dictate their will there. If you want to use the logic "under the little white hands", then the same logic can be understood from the Yankees in At-tanf. Both here and there it is naive to believe that someone would allow it to be done by force. Clearly, what am I talking to?

                        The same with the rest of your nonsense. In any case, if you start using the logic “there are ten times more of us here”, realize that you are not ten times more in this region. You are there like a pain in the ass. They are already openly telling you. So everything is completely different now, as there were several more. years ago.

                        There is no other air bridge. It is impossible to lay it through NATO countries. Thus, this is the only way to Syria. And it will be necessary to move not the Russian Air Force, but the US Air Force. And under international law, the US Air Force over Iraq is nobody, and in Iraq itself, under international law, there is no one either. And if, moreover, they begin to fight against the Iraqi Armed Forces, then it is also illegal. And since it’s illegal, and even with aggression against the RF Air Force that is LEGALLY located there, your logic of “ten times more of us” will not work. Because it is the logic of war. And Iran, together with Russia, will put the United States in its place. MORE THAN BECAUSE OF THE KURDS, BECAUSE ALL OF THERE HAVE A TOOTH FOR THE KEPD SEPARATISTS. This is elementary. For those who have brains, not jelly ...
                      2. Lord
                        Lord 24 October 2017 20: 40
                        0
                        Quote: askme
                        that you feel the weakness of your arguments and try to replace their absence with personal assessments.

                        Quote: askme
                        lying to the same.

                        Quote: askme
                        your delirium

                        Quote: askme
                        For those who have brains, not jelly ...

                        I'm trying to? Oh well.
                        Quote: askme
                        This is elementary.

                        I have no more questions. I counted on a more adequate dialogue, and in your case it is a monologue. I just don’t understand with what joy you decided that your purely personal opinion is the ultimate truth? And why do you consider yourself in the right to aggressively impose it on your interlocutors? Are you a fanatic?
                3. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 24 October 2017 02: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: askme
                  Well, this is your opinion only. Iran and Russia are allies of Iraq (like Syria, by the way). If the United States starts a war against Iran, they will inevitably face Russia, since Iran is an important transit, part of the regularly used strategic air bridge connecting Russia and Syria. And Russia is now even diplomatically much tougher than before defending Iran from US attacks with a gang. This time. And two - do not distort, Iraq is not going to fight the United States. It was about the mythical no-fly zone over Iraq from the United States, which was seen by a colleague. That is, the actual declaration of war on Iraq by the United States. This is the beginning of World War III. What the United States simply won’t do. That is what it is about. And I explained in detail what was the matter.

                  Russia can start TMV only because of its territory. Not because of Syria, not because of Donbas, nor, moreover, not because of Iran
                  1. askme
                    askme 24 October 2017 02: 14
                    +2
                    Russia cannot start the Third World War anywhere. Especially not because of its territory. Such a formulation of the question of starting a war over one’s territory is stupid. Is that clearer?
                    1. Viktor.12.71
                      Viktor.12.71 24 October 2017 08: 29
                      +1
                      Quote: askme
                      Russia cannot start the Third World War anywhere. Especially not because of its territory. Such a formulation of the question of starting a war over one’s territory is stupid. Is that clearer?

                      But you said that: Well, if the United States starts a war against Iraq, they will deal with all of Iraq’s allies. Simply put, they will be cut very quickly throughout Iraq. This is the Third World.
                      In addition to Russia and the United States, there are no superpowers, which means there will be no third world war. In BV, no one has a chance against the United States.
                      1. askme
                        askme 24 October 2017 09: 18
                        +2
                        Right. Only you inattentively read everything that I wrote. There, in all scenarios, the United States attacks: both in the case of the “no-fly zone” (breaking the air bridge) and in the case of our officers in Iraq. This is the logic of the conflict started by the United States, not Russia.
                    2. Lord
                      Lord 24 October 2017 20: 51
                      0
                      Kind askme - friendly advice, it is worthwhile to show less aplomb and peremptory. Otherwise, adequate interlocutors will begin to shy away from you, we do not have a rally, and you are not a political officer.
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 23 October 2017 15: 42
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            "multiplied by zero Iraqi Air Force." ///

            ... if they are allowed to do this, the US Air Force. Or they themselves will be multiplied
            to zero. Most likely, the Americans will make a no-fly zone there:
            neither Iraqis will fly, nor anyone else.

            Give Gd
      6. Berkut24
        Berkut24 23 October 2017 15: 11
        +5
        Kurds are good disciplined foot soldiers. Rakku - a large city -
        taken neatly, with low own losses.

        They took a long time and several times. In this case, after carpet bombing and total artillery raids from the city almost nothing remained. In fact, such a long period of taking Raqqa and such a rough sweep of the city with a large caliber are explained by the very large losses of the Kurds and their unwillingness to die further in street battles. Already in the first month they lost almost all the assault groups, which is why they started serious graters with "American strategists - instructors."
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 23 October 2017 15: 25
          +1
          Kurds and Arabs lost 650 people dead
          during the assault on Racca. In total, they took in the blockade of the Raqqi region and the assault
          the fate of 30-35 thousand fighters.
          650 for a large city is not much. (In Grozny in 2000, the losses were about the same).
          The number of dead civilians is estimated maximum
          1500 people (Dresden, directly)
          1. askme
            askme 23 October 2017 15: 30
            +4
            In terms of the level of destruction of the city, the analogy of Raqqa and Dresden is absolutely appropriate. And the method of destroying these cities is absolutely the same.
            1. Gransasso
              Gransasso 23 October 2017 15: 35
              0
              But with what methods did the Red Army storm the cities during that war? .. Didn’t bomb? ...
              1. askme
                askme 23 October 2017 15: 42
                +8
                The Red Army did not carry out intimidating bombing. And the United States fought and fought just like that. The bombing of Dresden is an act of genocide. Including because at that moment no one stormed it on the ground. The goal was to simply kill as many civilians as possible. The raccoon bombing is the same. The Red Army has always stormed the city, avoiding unnecessary casualties whenever possible. And the US Air Force intentionally sought the maximum number of casualties. It is for intimidation. That is why the US Air Force’s methods are criminal. Especially against the background of cynical cries about "humanitarian" interventions. It’s just some sort of satanism in terms of mockery and cynicism. That is the whole point. And this is precisely the reason for this analogy from the General Staff of the Russian Federation.
                1. Gransasso
                  Gransasso 23 October 2017 15: 47
                  +1
                  Quote: askme
                  The Red Army did not carry out intimidating bombing.



                  Seriously? ... the bombing of Helsinki by hundreds of planes in 1939-40 and 41 ... attempts to bomb Berlin, Koenigsberg, Budapest ....
                  1. askme
                    askme 23 October 2017 16: 23
                    +4
                    Do not carry nonsense.
                    1. akims
                      akims 23 October 2017 19: 40
                      +2
                      This is not nonsense, just a person has such a job ...
                    2. Lord
                      Lord 23 October 2017 22: 46
                      +1
                      Quote: askme
                      Do not carry nonsense.

                      Berlin bombing in 1941 - A series of air raids on Nazi capital Berlin, Berlin, carried out from August 7 to September 5 by Soviet aircraft during the Great Patriotic War.
                      On July 27, 1941, the 1st mine torpedo aviation regiment of the 8th air brigade of the Baltic Fleet Air Force under the command of Colonel Preobrazhensky E.N. was given a personal order of Stalin: to conduct a bombing attack on Berlin and its military-industrial facilities. The command of the operation was entrusted to S. Zhavoronkov, F. N. Kuznetsov was appointed responsible for the outcome.
                      In total, before September 5, Soviet pilots completed nine raids on Berlin, making a total of 86 sorties. 33 aircraft bombed Berlin, dropping 21 tons of bombs on it and causing 32 fires in the city. 37 aircraft were unable to reach the capital of Germany and attacked other cities. In total, 311 HE and incendiary bombs with a total weight of 36050 kg were consumed.
                      Helsinki bombing, the capital of Finland, were carried out 39 times during the Second World War.
                      Some bombing raids on Helsinki were carried out by the Air Force or the Baltic Fleet Air Force.
                      Three massive bombing Soviet aircraft carried out in February 1944. The bombing was carried out at night from 6 to 7, from 16 to 17 and from 26 to 27 February.
                      1. Stiletto_711
                        Stiletto_711 23 October 2017 23: 55
                        +2
                        You are either extremely incompetent or inept tr.e.e.
                        Quote: Lord
                        Berlin bombing in 1941

                        In total, from August 8 to September 5, the Soviet Air Force carried out 9 raids on Berlin, a total of 21 tons of bombs were dropped, there are no data on any significant casualties among the city’s population.
                        The allies on Dresden during the period February 13-15, 1945 dropped 7101 tons of bombs. Victims among citizens are estimated at 135.
                        In the case of the Soviet bombing of Berlin, we are talking about a strike on the administrative and political center, the capital of the country of the aggressor. Such a blow was rather symbolic and psychological significance. On the other hand, Dresden is not the largest industrial center, moreover, in 1945 it was crowded with refugees. And there, the Air Force ally pursued much more barbaric goals.
                        Here is an excerpt from the Royal Air Force memorandum: "Dresden, Germany’s 7th largest city ... In the middle of winter, with floods of refugees heading west and troops who need to be housed somewhere, housing is in short supply, as not only are workers, refugees and troops required, but and government agencies evacuated from other areas ... The purpose of the attack is to strike the enemy where he feels it most of all, behind the partially collapsed front ... and at the same time show the Russians when they arrive in the city, which the Royal Air Force is capable of"
                        Everything is in accordance with the concept proposed in 1942 by Professor Lindemann, a leading scientific adviser to the British government, on the so-called "depletion" of the German workforce through the bombing of German cities. Later this idea was developed and implemented by Arthur Harris (Bomber Harris).
                        So the scope and cynicism of the actions of the Allies in relation to enemy civilian targets behind the front line is many orders of magnitude superior to everything that the USSR did in a similar plan.
                        So you would be better silent, maybe you would ... what
                      2. askme
                        askme 24 October 2017 00: 09
                        +3
                        Only a complete nerd can compare these operations of the USSR Air Force with the raids of the Anglo-Saxons on German cities at the end of the war. Neither by the number of bombs dropped, nor by the purpose of the raids. Soviet aviation bombed ports, warehouses, etc. in Helsinki purposefully civilians died several. hundreds of people. The bombing of Berlin in 1941 is a purely symbolic gesture. Also comparing is absurd. Therefore, I wrote - you, together with your fellow propagandist, are writing outright nonsense. Moreover, illiterate.
                2. Lord
                  Lord 23 October 2017 22: 37
                  +1
                  Quote: askme
                  The goal was to simply kill as many civilians as possible.

                  This is a propaganda cliché from Soviet times.
                  The purpose of the raid was the industrial (fuel-producing) infrastructure of Dresden, moreover, the tonnage of bombs dropped on Dresden was lessthan during the bombing of other cities. But weather conditions, wooden buildings, passages connecting the basements of adjacent houses, as well as the unpreparedness of the city for the consequences led to the fact that the result of the bombing was more destructive.
                  I am ashamed to know the history of the Second World War on agitation.
                  1. askme
                    askme 24 October 2017 00: 02
                    +2
                    "Fuel-producing infrastructure" - what kind of nonsense, they invented it on the go. There is no such thing. And there wasn’t. Trying to cover your own lies with fantasies.

                    Firstly, it was a series of bombing raids. Secondly, the official goal of the US Air Force was to block the flow of German troops through Dresden. In other words, Dresden’s arson could not be “accidental,” by definition; he was purposefully set on fire.

                    And, for information, I give you an opinion from the West, and not from the USSR.
                    1. Lord
                      Lord 24 October 2017 22: 45
                      0
                      Quote: askme
                      Only a complete nerd

                      Quote: askme
                      what kind of nonsense, on the go themselves invented

                      Young man, don’t react to my comments, if your parents deprived you of high-quality education, I disdain to react to your rudeness and do not want to slip into your level of dialogue, in the style of "bazaar bickering". If you don’t like my opinion, this is purely your problem.
                      Your manner of angrily rushing at interlocutors makes me an unpleasant association ...
              2. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 23 October 2017 16: 08
                +8
                Quote: Gransasso
                But with what methods did the Red Army storm the cities during that war? .. Didn’t bomb? ...

                methods of 600 thousand deaths only during the liberation of now worthless Poland ... but it was necessary, as history has shown, just to bomb it from the air !!! negative negative negative
                1. Gransasso
                  Gransasso 23 October 2017 16: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                  methods of 600 thousand deaths only during the liberation of now worthless Poland ... but it was necessary, as history has shown, just to bomb it from the air !!!




                  Do you want to say that Comrade Stalin preferred the genocide of his own people?
                  1. St Petrov
                    St Petrov 23 October 2017 16: 31
                    +4
                    he felt sorry for the dogs, but not his warriors. but I hope our general staff took this into account, now we will "liberate" Europe according to the Dresden patterns. Well, if God forbid, of course it will be repeated what has already been repeated a dozen times (dog trips to Russian)

                    Well, if all the same there is an order to spare you - I will write a paper saying that they resisted and that I could not do otherwise, because I valued the lives of the unit entrusted to me

                    So you inherited so that neither Arabs, nor Russians, nor Turks will spare you. Europe she is)

                    We will cut the Dutch and Romanians with Italians with equal impartiality.

                    I would like to think that the Germans learned a lesson in contrast to dogs. By the way, there is respect for the Germans - and for jackals, well, like you yourself understood who - there is none at all. As you were on the choke - you stayed on it after 70 years

            2. Lord
              Lord 23 October 2017 22: 29
              +1
              Quote: askme
              In terms of the level of destruction of the city, the analogy of Raqqa and Dresden is absolutely appropriate. And the method of destroying these cities is absolutely the same.

              In Racca alone, about 1500 civilians died in a few months, and in Dresden from 35.000 to 135.000 (according to various estimates) overnight.
              Do you feel the difference? So the comparison is not just inappropriate, but rather far-fetched.
      7. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 23 October 2017 15: 56
        +5
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Rakku - a large city -
        taken neatly, with low own losses.

        finally, there’s nothing left of Raqqi .... some ruins !!! negative negative negative
      8. Grits
        Grits 24 October 2017 09: 34
        +3
        Rakku - a large city -
        taken neatly, with low own losses.

        Do not tell about accuracy. The crayfish was simply gently turned into concrete dust
  4. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 23 October 2017 14: 02
    0
    Did the Iraqis decide to end one war by simply starting another? belay
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 23 October 2017 14: 06
      +6
      Observer 33 Today, 14:02 New
      Did the Iraqis decide to end one war by simply starting another? belay

      The Macingon macaques found a replacement for ISIS in their quest to destroy the sovereign state of Syria and clean up the territory with hydrocarbons (and not only) from people.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 23 October 2017 15: 01
        +2
        Now you need to completely cut two clans. In order to!
  5. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 23 October 2017 14: 42
    +1
    So, what kind of anti-tank systems did the Kurds deliver? First, the "base" version of "Milan" (with a monoblock warhead), and then "Milan-2" with a tandem ...? Or, in fact, all ATGMs were "Milan-2"?
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 23 October 2017 15: 04
      +2
      Don’t puzzle, a journalist doesn’t know!
      Everything is funnier - the Federal Republic of Germany legally armed a terrorist (hell with it, anti-government) formation! Against the one whom, allegedly, freed.
  6. gloomy fox
    gloomy fox 23 October 2017 15: 23
    +1
    minus 1, M1 !!!!! laughing here once again debunked the myth of the non-vulnerability of American tanks. good
  7. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 23 October 2017 15: 33
    +2
    Something is a mess. NATO weapons shoot at NATO technology ...
  8. Fanat85
    Fanat85 23 October 2017 15: 46
    +2
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Kurds are good disciplined foot soldiers. Rakku - a large city -
    taken neatly, with low own losses. Do not twist into the windshields
    attacks like the IRGC. When it is convenient, they advance, when necessary, they retreat.
    If they overcome their internal clan swarms, the Shiite army will be forced out
    they can.

    Carefully?? belay belay We've got the hell out of town! there was nothing left alive and many were killed in peace! The UN is silent in a rag like a little saber under a bench!
  9. Fanat85
    Fanat85 23 October 2017 15: 50
    +2
    Quote: voyaka uh
    About Dresden Konoshenkov blurted out as always.
    He has a fake after a fake. Everyone is used to it, as with Psaki once.
    Civilians after the blockade of Raqqa were released, as before the assault,
    and during the storming of individual quarters.
    You probably noticed: the ruins show, but no corpses.
    The Kurds lost few fighters, and ISIS - the more the better.

    And when you say the Western press will show its intrigues and deeds to all of humanity? agree nonsense wrote!
  10. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 23 October 2017 16: 25
    0
    One war replaces another.
  11. Livonetc
    Livonetc 23 October 2017 16: 35
    0
    Quote: Gray Brother
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Captives
    they do not lynch. They can give up.

    You just wrote about executions to me)))

    Shooting for foreign mercenaries.
    For the rest, probably the same choice as in the case of government troops.
  12. padded jacket
    padded jacket 23 October 2017 17: 42
    0
    Quote: Krasnodar

    That’s why they took revenge. And Gaza was first eyed by Egypt in 1948. Then Israel in 1967 recaptured It from Egypt. Then Israel, in turn, left Gaza in 2005. And they still take revenge.
    The reason - it was necessary to recognize the UN resolution of 1947 on the division of Palestine into Jewish and Arab states, and not try to squeeze the land from the Jews. The result is a bombed and useless Strip.

    All the same, you Israeli Jews continue the occupation of Palestine, because it does not consist of only one sector of Gaza, and until you release it, the rockets will fly at you.
    So the result of the Israeli occupation of Palestine is the endless shelling of Israel and attacks by Hamas fighters
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 23 October 2017 17: 59
      0
      [quote = padded jacket] [quote = Krasnodar]
      That’s why they took revenge. And Gaza was first eyed by Egypt in 1948. Then Israel in 1967 recaptured It from Egypt. Then Israel, in turn, left Gaza in 2005. And they still take revenge.
      The reason - it was necessary to recognize the UN resolution of 1947 on the division of Palestine into Jewish and Arab states, and not try to squeeze the land from the Jews. The result is a bombed and useless Strip. [/ Quote]
      All the same, you Israeli Jews continue the occupation of Palestine, because it does not consist of only one sector of Gaza, and until you release it, the rockets will fly at you.
      So the result of the Israeli occupation of Palestine is the endless shelling of Israel and the attacks of Hamas fighters [/ quot
      So there is an independent Palestinian autonomy, stubbornly not wanting to become a state, there are Israeli Arabs, whom you can’t drive into this autonomy ... :)
      Develop, grow rich, learn, work ... but no, you have to shoot at Israel and lay thousands of your citizens to receive handouts from "compassionate" framers for the corpses of their fellow citizens.
      Palestinian leaders are pretty good, aren't they?
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 23 October 2017 18: 52
        +1
        Quote: Krasnodar
        So there is an independent Palestinian autonomy, stubbornly not wanting to become a state, there are Israeli Arabs, whom you can’t drive into this autonomy ... :)

        Yes, but for some reason, the main participants in various military actions against Jews in Israel are Israeli Arabs.
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Develop, grow rich, learn, work ... but no, you have to shoot at Israel and lay thousands of your citizens to receive handouts from "compassionate" framers for the corpses of their fellow citizens.
        Palestinian leaders are pretty good, aren't they?

        So free their land and they will be as they want to develop. In the meantime, you Jews are occupying their homeland and building your Kubbuts and synagogues there.
        Israeli leaders have settled down quite well on land that does not belong to them.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 23 October 2017 21: 52
          -1
          Quote: quilted jacket
          Quote: Krasnodar
          So there is an independent Palestinian autonomy, stubbornly not wanting to become a state, there are Israeli Arabs, whom you can’t drive into this autonomy ... :)

          Yes, but for some reason, the main participants in various military actions against Jews in Israel are Israeli Arabs.
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Develop, grow rich, learn, work ... but no, you have to shoot at Israel and lay thousands of your citizens to receive handouts from "compassionate" framers for the corpses of their fellow citizens.
          Palestinian leaders are pretty good, aren't they?

          So free their land and they will be as they want to develop. In the meantime, you Jews are occupying their homeland and building your Kubbuts and synagogues there.
          Israeli leaders have settled down quite well on land that does not belong to them.

          Israeli Arabs are not the main participants in the attacks, they are a minority among the performers :)))
          As for their land, you got a little excited - the Arabs on it conquerors, who came in the 7th century AD. )
          Israel left the Gaza Strip, from all the Palestinian cities of Judea and Samaria, they have their own police, they scored tens of billions of dollars to develop infrastructure (Palestinians quickly plundered them at the feeding trough).
          And neither the kibbutzim, nor the synagogue, nor the settlements in which many of the Palestinians are still working, neither Intel, nor Teva, nor San Disk and other things built and brought by the Jews prevents them from agreeing with the Jews about their state :)
          Except one - it will be an Arab country without oil. And without subsidies from anyone. Without a pacifist struggle in the status of "underdog", working first number, they are of no interest to anyone. Neither Arabs nor Europeans. And the freebie will end.
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 23 October 2017 22: 37
            +1
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Israeli Arabs are not the main participants in the attacks, they are a minority among the performers :)))

            Just their majority.
            Quote: Krasnodar
            As for their land, you got a little excited - the Arabs on it conquerors, who came in the 7th century AD. )

            Nevertheless, the state of Israel has not been in the Middle East for 2 thousand years and Arabs inhabited this land and Jews lived in Europe, USA, Russia, so you lost all right to this land a long time ago and your state was created artificially out of pity for Jews after the Second World War.
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip, from all the Palestinian cities of Judea and Samaria, they have their own police, tens of billions of dollars are bucked in them to develop infrastructure

            That is, you are not invaders laughing
            Oh stop the manuals to quote, and then besides laughter, they do not cause anything.
            Quote: Krasnodar
            And neither the kibbutzim, nor the synagogue, nor the settlements in which many of the Palestinians are still working, neither Intel, nor Teva, nor San Disk and other things built and brought by the Jews prevents them from agreeing with the Jews about their state :)

            So leave the occupied Arab land and they will talk to you.
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Except one - it will be an Arab country without oil. And without subsidies from anyone.

            Everything will be there as soon as the Israeli occupation ends.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 24 October 2017 02: 10
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              Quote: quilted jacket
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Israeli Arabs are not the main participants in the attacks, they are a minority among the performers :)))

              Just their majority.
              AHA))))
              Quote: Krasnodar
              As for their land, you got a little excited - the Arabs on it conquerors, who came in the 7th century AD. )

              Nevertheless, the state of Israel has not been in the Middle East for 2 thousand years and Arabs inhabited this land and Jews lived in Europe, USA, Russia, so you lost all right to this land a long time ago and your state was created artificially out of pity for Jews after the Second World War.
              DIRECTLY FROM PITNESS)))) AND WHO DECIDED WHAT LOST YOU HAVE? :)
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip, from all the Palestinian cities of Judea and Samaria, they have their own police, tens of billions of dollars are bucked in them to develop infrastructure

              That is, you are not invaders laughing
              Oh stop the manuals to quote, and then besides laughter, they do not cause anything.
              METHODS? :) HOW everything is running ..)))
              Quote: Krasnodar
              And neither the kibbutzim, nor the synagogue, nor the settlements in which many of the Palestinians are still working, neither Intel, nor Teva, nor San Disk and other things built and brought by the Jews prevents them from agreeing with the Jews about their state :)

              So leave the occupied Arab land and they will talk to you.
              BIG HONOR ...:)
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Except one - it will be an Arab country without oil. And without subsidies from anyone.

              Everything will be there as soon as the Israeli occupation ends.

              THIS YES. BRAINS, MONEY AND, MOST IMPORTANT, THE DESIRE TO CREATE, NOT TO STEAL AND LOOP ... if only the occupation was over))))
        2. Lord
          Lord 23 October 2017 22: 49
          +1
          Quote: quilted jacket
          Israeli leaders on land that does not belong to them

          Who decided this?
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 23 October 2017 22: 55
            0
            Quote: Lord
            Who decided this?

            Everyone has known this for a long time. Since your state was created there only by the will of the victorious countries in the Second World War and nothing else.
            1. Lord
              Lord 24 October 2017 00: 46
              +1
              Quote: quilted jacket
              Everyone has known this for a long time.

              Who are these all?
              How long ago?
              Padded jacket your words are continuous clichés and propaganda, that's what everyone knows for a long time. Your words have weight and there is no truth in them, only the most naive did not understand this yet.
              Quote: quilted jacket
              Since your state was created there only by the will of the victorious countries in the Second World War and nothing else.

              Like in the scripture? "And the victors said - before Israel will be, and Israel arose from the void" - so what?
              Describe the very process of "free will", as it happened, in detail and chronographically accurately. Curious.
  13. ss29
    ss29 24 October 2017 00: 51
    +1
    I think the Kurds are lying, a video taken from a distant abrams and a long list of destroyed equipment indicate that the Kurds were always running sparkling with slippers. but apparently they watched the broken abrams in the yards.
    1. ventel
      ventel 24 October 2017 23: 19
      0
      Sorry so why with 80 years Iraq, Turkey, Iran did not crush the partisan movement of the Kurds.
  14. ss29
    ss29 24 October 2017 01: 07
    +2
    I wonder where in Israel such an awareness of how many civilians died in Raqqah? As I understand it, the United States always makes an informational vacuum in this regard. in Mosul probably also according to disrespectful civilians almost died.
    1. fider
      fider 24 October 2017 13: 23
      +1
      ss29
      "I wonder where in Israel ..."
      From the race - we have our own spies everywhere.
      1. ss29
        ss29 24 October 2017 21: 12
        +1
        nobody knows them in the Russian Federation either, the city is crushed to pieces, someone under the rubble, many fled.
  15. mariusdeayeraleone
    mariusdeayeraleone 24 October 2017 06: 33
    +3
    This situation reminds me of something about someone. Remember how the Kurds were praised? They say they’re the best at war, they’re strong in spirit, they’ve been blown away for the truth. Like a soap bubble
    1. Viktor.12.71
      Viktor.12.71 24 October 2017 08: 48
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      I don’t know who told you this, but the fact that the bulk of the Kurds fled to Europe speaks volumes.
  16. 72jora72
    72jora72 24 October 2017 10: 09
    +2
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Kurds are good disciplined foot soldiers. Rakku - a large city -
    taken neatly, with low own losses. Do not twist into the windshields
    attacks like the IRGC. When it is convenient, they advance, when necessary, they retreat.
    If they overcome their internal clan swarms, the Shiite army will be forced out
    they can.

    You use a training manual when writing texts ???, I seriously ask, without mockery. If not, then you mean your interlocutors are idiots, about the loss of the Kurds and about how they took Rakka (which by the way they didn’t take to the end) of materials and data in the open sea.
  17. askme
    askme 24 October 2017 16: 20
    +2
    Quote: Viktor.12.71
    US not dominant in BV? With so many bases and military equipment? And who then dominates? If the United States strikes at the Russian military, you simply don’t know about it, they will say in the news that you’ve destroyed the SAA detachment, if you take down the Americans and again you don’t know, losses can come up if some Arab does not put it on the Internet. The only one who writes nonsense here is unfortunately you said that declaring war on Iran by Iran is tantamount to declaring war on Russia

    Yes, you are a troll frank, as I see it. Cheekily re-write written by your opponent. I wrote that the United States, starting a war with Iran, will inevitably face Russia. And he explained why: because a strategic air bridge crosses over Iran from Russia to Syria, which is actively used by the Russian Aerospace Forces, daily. The fact that you interpret these words of mine as "declaring war on Iran is tantamount to declaring war on Russia" has a completely different meaning. Once again: if the United States attacks Iran, they will inevitably attack the Russian aerospace forces, because the Russian aerospace forces operate in Iranian airspace and are not US allies. The same is with Iraq in the case of the announcement of a no-fly air zone. Russia does not and will not obey the US Air Force. Consequently, war will be inevitable. US war against Russia. But Russia does not need this, Russia is already winning the war on terror in the BV) Gaining power in the region. We definitely do not need war. But Russia will not run from it. Precisely so as not to lose face. Therefore, do not even hope that by getting directly, in public on the cheek from the United States, Russia will wipe off. Do not rub off. It is in the case of the United States. The answer is fully adequate. It will not stop before the fact of escalation. So there’s no need to flunk nonsense about Russia's blow to South America. Your schizophrenia does not need to be imposed on people. Russia will respond adequately at each of the levels of escalation, without looking ahead. Clear?

    Regarding dominance. Dominated by those who solve the problems of the region in their own way. The USA was yapping about Assad’s removal - now they don’t yapping, quietly experiencing their hatred of Assad in the corner) Russia, together with Turkey and Iran, is solving Syrian issues as a leader. Who dominates Syria? Russia. This is universally recognized both in the Middle East and in the world. All the rulers of the Middle East, as a team, go to the Kremlin to Putin to discuss the fate of the Middle East. At the same time, the USA is yapping helplessly under their breath. Fact? Fact. Here it is real dominance. And regarding bases and equipment ... This is ridiculous. What is the point of these bases and equipment if the United States cannot impose its will in Syria, although a lot of screaming about it. Your Nonsense USA. Cowardly Nonsense. That is why they have lost respect in the region. Clear? And in Iraq it will be the same. Russia simply hasn’t reached their hands yet, but the United States, with its petty tricks, seems to have kicked an ass in the ass in Iraq, stimulating the collapse of Iraq. You understand, the Middle East is changing the "roof". Cowards - do not respect. No matter how much equipment they have and so on. The United States is not fighting there now, but with hybrid wars. Where the amount of equipment is not important) A coward, an indecisive, wagging backside scoundrel, betraying partners, losing face, loses in a hybrid war. So get ready for what you will be given decisively in the ass in Iraq. Iraq itself will give IF IF US FOR KURDS are SHAKEN, they will outlaw themselves in Iraq by openly taking the side of the separatists. Well, Iran and Russia will follow this. Purely in a hybrid style. Without direct aggression against the United States. Well, if the US shows aggression, it will receive erysipelas from the entire region. So you got everyone there .... Clearly spelling out?))