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WSJ: Russian submarine fleet is too tough for Americans

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US Navy needs to develop anti-submarine warfare technology due to the strengthening of Russian submarine fleetwrites The Wall Street Journal.




“In late May, the Russian submarine Krasnodar left the coast of Libya and quietly like a mouse plunged into the water. Soon she appeared off the coast of Syria and launched a hail of cruise missiles at the militants of the IG (the group is banned in the Russian Federation). In the days following this event, the US aircraft carrier George HW Bush followed the Russian submarine with a cover, ”the article quotes. InoTV.

The missile attack on Syria, which was the end of routine navigation, for the first time since the end of the Cold War, forced the United States to begin spying on the Russian boat.

The development of Russian submarines, which was interrupted by the collapse of the USSR and came as a surprise to the West, once again spurred military rivalry in the spirit of the Cold War, when both sides were hunting for submarines of a likely enemy.

According to NATO high-ranking officials, the alliance should consider making financial investments in the submarine fleet and technology. “Therefore, the conclusion of the report by the Center for New American Security attracted the attention of high-ranking NATO leaders: the United States and its allies are not ready for an underwater conflict with Russia,” the author writes.

Although shock submarines such as Krasnodar are armed only with conventional torpedoes and cruise missiles, "they pose a significant threat to American aircraft carriers, the most important US tool for demonstrating Washington’s military power throughout the world," the newspaper notes.

On June 5, in the Mediterranean, the USS George Bush aircraft carrier entered the Suez Canal: “Its mission was to support Syrian rebels and attack the positions of the IG, in addition, given the growing tensions between the US and Russia, as well as trying to get rid of the surveillance of Krasnodar, the aircraft carrier also had to track the submarine and get information about its tactics and technical characteristics ", the article says

By that time, Krasnodar had already gone underwater - “so the game of hide-and-seek began, during which American sailors and pilots had to undergo an intensive course on fighting submarines, which are not easy to find.”

It is reported that for many days in June, the squadron of helicopters MH-60R Seahawk was rising from the deck of an aircraft carrier. Some used the radar to search for Krasnodar, others launched the sonars to the seabed.

According to the commander of the squadron of naval attack helicopters Edward Fossati, "Russian submarines have become quieter, but the game of cat and mouse is on an equal footing due to the development of detection technologies."

“It also means that the aircraft carrier team has a computer that analyzes the seabed and provides information on how the sound behaves in this square. In addition, on board the aircraft carrier were three oceanographers who, using the latest known location of the submarine and computer data, put on the map the places where the submarine could hide, ”the newspaper writes.

In the second half of June, Krasnodar reappeared on the surface and struck another rocket attack at the IG military warehouse. And on July 30, the submarine entered the port of Tartus, thus ending the game of hide and seek with the American aircraft carrier.

The mission of the submarine turned out to be a success: Moscow has shown that it is capable of delivering unhindered strikes in Syria with its growing submarine fleet, this is the total summaries of the newspaper.
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  1. Solomon Kane
    Solomon Kane 23 October 2017 12: 21 New
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    So, let the striped do not curry favor .....
    For each of their AUG there is one, the other is our submarine ...... laughing
    1. Shurik70
      Shurik70 23 October 2017 12: 31 New
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      Never mind.
      This is just another "we are behind, give money" paid by the Pentagon.
      But how realistic our submarines can destroy their fleet, only practice will show. Unfortunately.
      1. Solomon Kane
        Solomon Kane 23 October 2017 12: 36 New
        +6
        only practice will show
        will not show - there will be no one to show ......
      2. cniza
        cniza 23 October 2017 12: 37 New
        +2
        Yes, they use the moment to increase the budget and no more.
      3. NIKNN
        NIKNN 23 October 2017 12: 41 New
        +5
        Quote: Shurik70
        "we are behind, give money" paid The pentagon.

        Damn what they do not pay me? I would write for their grandmother three volumes how hopelessly they fell behind ... laughing tongue
      4. 210ox
        210ox 23 October 2017 12: 41 New
        +2
        Of course this is so. Yes, and "praise" from the lips of the enemy suggests that they simply want to mislead us. They have serious methods and equipment for detection.
        Quote: Shurik70
        Never mind.
        This is just another "we are behind, give money" paid by the Pentagon.
        But how realistic our submarines can destroy their fleet, only practice will show. Unfortunately.
      5. AlexKP
        AlexKP 23 October 2017 13: 01 New
        +5
        I was already puffed up, for some kind of dizeluha, as much as a whole Bush walked with cover.
        1. san4es
          san4es 23 October 2017 13: 36 New
          +3
          Quote: AlexKP
          ... for some kind of dizeluha, as much as a whole Bush walked with cover.

          ... with Krasnodar under the keel bully
      6. akribos
        akribos 23 October 2017 13: 17 New
        0
        Funny resolution.
      7. hrych
        hrych 23 October 2017 15: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: Shurik70
        Never mind

        Our praise ours, all Uri-patriots and liars, they praise ours, like do not pay attention, again liars. Therefore, it’s time for you to start treatment for the disease of Russophobia begins to give symptoms wassat Or maybe our Armed Forces, Navy and VKS with the Strategic Missile Forces really became a formidable force. Have you thought about this? Or does the disease haunt? wassat
    2. Finches
      Finches 23 October 2017 12: 32 New
      +4
      Something I don’t like their mass whining on all channels that "all is well beautiful Marquise, except for a trifle!"... Vigilance euthanized or asking for money?
      1. Solomon Kane
        Solomon Kane 23 October 2017 12: 34 New
        +7
        Duc! "An exceptional nation", or "We are the champions" or "Lelik, everything is lost, everything is lost! -Gypsum is removed, the client leaves" .....
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 23 October 2017 13: 19 New
          +3
          “At the end of May, the Russian submarine Krasnodar left the coast of Libya and silently as a mouse plunged into the water.
          epic ... imagined how the mouse is drowning ... laughing writers ...
          1. dubovitskiy.1947
            dubovitskiy.1947 23 October 2017 13: 24 New
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            Quote: Dead Day
            “At the end of May, the Russian submarine Krasnodar left the coast of Libya and silently as a mouse plunged into the water.
            epic ... imagined how the mouse is drowning ... laughing writers ...

            If there are volatile, then why not floating?
            1. Vladimir16
              Vladimir16 23 October 2017 14: 02 New
              +1
              Quote: Dead Day
              epic ... imagined how the mouse is drowning ... laughing writers ...

              And I can’t imagine. I see how she squeaks and flounders with all her might .. crying .
              Where do these grief journalists get them? lol
              quietly like a mouse plunged under water.

              They would read Mumu:

              And Gerasim is all the crap and the coffin ...
              Gerasim heard nothing, not a quick screech of falling Mumu, nor a heavy splash of water; for him, the noisiest day was silent and soundless, like no quietest night was soundless for us, and when he opened his eyes again, they still hurried along the river, as if chasing each other, small waves, they still splashed about the sides of the boat, and only far back to the shore some wide circles scattered.
            2. In100gram
              In100gram 23 October 2017 20: 15 New
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              Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
              If there are volatile, then why not floating?

              These are underwater cod mice laughing
      2. Monos
        Monos 23 October 2017 13: 26 New
        +7
        An aircraft carrier chasing a boat? ... What kind of nonsense. And B-52 they hunt for our MiGs?
        1. hrych
          hrych 23 October 2017 15: 18 New
          +2
          Quote: Monos
          Was an aircraft carrier chasing a boat?

          No, the AUG operates in the Mediterranean Sea, its helicopters provide anti-aircraft defense, as well as a couple of multi-purpose boats, so it’s not surprising, especially since in the Mediterranean Sea there’s nothing special to do but spy on us.
          1. Monos
            Monos 23 October 2017 16: 56 New
            +5
            Quote: hrych
            No, AUG operates in the Mediterranean Sea

            hi Yes, I understand everything. The level of journalism annoys me. smile
        2. dubovitskiy.1947
          dubovitskiy.1947 23 October 2017 21: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: Monos
          An aircraft carrier chasing a boat? ... What kind of nonsense. And B-52 they hunt for our MiGs?

          They drive Tomahawks flies.
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 23 October 2017 12: 28 New
    +1
    Russian submarine was followed by American aircraft carrier George HW Bush with cover

    Nevertheless, it will be more true and truthful - the Russian submarine followed the American aircraft carrier and was not found.
    1. hrych
      hrych 23 October 2017 15: 27 New
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Nevertheless, it will be more true and truthful - the Russian submarine followed the American aircraft carrier and was not found.

      Vsezh she went to carry out a combat mission and her task was - a secret exit to the shock position. AUG must control the Mediterranean and there is no mistake here, they track all dangerous objects ...
  3. Romario_Argo
    Romario_Argo 23 October 2017 12: 29 New
    +2
    equipment has been installed on our submarines and diesel-electric submarines underwater vision, in the absence of analogues in Americans
    at any depths, at any speed of the submarine, operators see the underwater situation in real time on the monitor at a distance of up to 60 km.
    also there is a pairing with HOOK
  4. Egorovich
    Egorovich 23 October 2017 12: 35 New
    +5
    "Tom and Jerry" in the confrontation between mattresses and Russia. And Tom Star-Strike is back in flight.
  5. Chelyabinsk1973
    Chelyabinsk1973 23 October 2017 12: 41 New
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    Quote: Romario_Argo
    equipment has been installed on our submarines and diesel-electric submarines underwater vision, in the absence of analogues in Americans
    at any depths, at any speed of the submarine, operators see the underwater situation in real time on the monitor at a distance of up to 60 km.
    also there is a pairing with HOOK

    And you can’t give more details? Exactly the Americans have no such thing?
    1. Romario_Argo
      Romario_Argo 23 October 2017 13: 17 New
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      in more detail it is already disclosure of state secrets
      in general it laser systems for underwater location mainly used on specialized boats GUGI
      method for detecting heterogeneities in the marine environment, and processing by computer algorithms
  6. ruff
    ruff 23 October 2017 13: 05 New
    +3
    In the event of a real war (God forbid), given the extremely small number of combat-ready boats at the Russian Navy and the ships of the ocean zone, to help deploy them in theaters, poor geography (only SF and TOFA forces have a chance to get out, a huge quantitative superiority of the United States and NATO in ships, bases, technical means, it is doubtful that our submarine will be able to cause serious damage to the enemy ... We have, in 2017, 41 (according to the Internet), a combat-ready boat, including SSBNs and diesels ... In 1990, only the Northern Fleet had more hundreds of submarines, 2 aircraft carriers, 2 nuclear missile, 1 missile cruiser, 6 destroyers and 11 bpk, 14 far-field watchmen ... A huge "mosquito fleet" and a marine missile carrier division (92 tu 22m2, tu 22m3. 22 tu 16 k10, and a corresponding cover of 2 hundred fighters and interceptors.Now all four fleets and one flotilla are weaker than one Northern Fleet of 1990. Meanwhile, the “partners” have 12 carrier groups, only 2 less than in 1990. Chances are, to put it mildly, illusive.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 23 October 2017 13: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: ruff
      Only SF and TOF forces have a chance to get out,

      80% of Black Sea diesel-electric submarines passed Black Sea straits undetected wink
      Quote: ruff
      it’s doubtful that our submarine will be able to cause serious damage to the enemy.

      what Well this is a grandmother for two said !!!!
      Quote: ruff
      Now all four fleets and one flotilla are weaker than one SF of the 1990 sample.

      It is a fact! But even these admirals and politicians are not allowed to sleep peacefully. bully
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 23 October 2017 17: 46 New
        +5
        Quote: Serg65
        80% of Black Sea diesel-electric submarines passed Black Sea straits undetected

        Do you even know that the Black Sea straits of the submarine pass in the surface? yes
        So how did 80% of them manage to remain "unnoticed"? belay
        1. In100gram
          In100gram 23 October 2017 20: 18 New
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          Quote: BoA KAA
          Do you even know that the Black Sea straits of the submarine pass in the surface?
          So how did 80% of them manage to remain "unnoticed"?

          Tongue removed hi
        2. dubovitskiy.1947
          dubovitskiy.1947 23 October 2017 21: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: BoA KAA
          Quote: Serg65
          80% of Black Sea diesel-electric submarines passed Black Sea straits undetected

          Do you even know that the Black Sea straits of the submarine pass in the surface? yes
          So how did 80% of them manage to remain "unnoticed"? belay

          Previously, the Bakshish was thrown forward to the Turks. Good.
    2. sogdy
      sogdy 23 October 2017 14: 05 New
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      Patam commander and replaced.
      And you all cry.
    3. dubovitskiy.1947
      dubovitskiy.1947 23 October 2017 14: 34 New
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      Quote: ruff
      In the event of a real war (God forbid), given the extremely small number of combat-ready boats at the Russian Navy and the ships of the ocean zone, to help deploy them in theaters, poor geography (only SF and TOFA forces have a chance to get out, a huge quantitative superiority of the United States and NATO in ships, bases, technical means, it is doubtful that our submarine will be able to cause serious damage to the enemy ... We have, in 2017, 41 (according to the Internet), a combat-ready boat, including SSBNs and diesels ... In 1990, only the Northern Fleet had more hundreds of submarines, 2 aircraft carriers, 2 nuclear missile, 1 missile cruiser, 6 destroyers and 11 bpk, 14 far-field watchmen ... A huge "mosquito fleet" and a marine missile carrier division (92 tu 22m2, tu 22m3. 22 tu 16 k10, and a corresponding cover of 2 hundred fighters and interceptors.Now all four fleets and one flotilla are weaker than one Northern Fleet of 1990. Meanwhile, the “partners” have 12 carrier groups, only 2 less than in 1990. Chances are, to put it mildly, illusive.

      You look at the little things. But the main thing is slipping away from you. In which case (God forbid), the whole and unscathed armada of Americans (let’s say, completely unscathed!) Will simply have nowhere to return. And the situation will be similar to the situation in one science fiction film. There, the trough, which remained uninfected by the virus, hung like shit in the hole, without touching any shore.
      1. ruff
        ruff 23 October 2017 20: 18 New
        +3
        The fact is that if a war happened, theoretically, between Russia and NATO, then suddenly it would not start. There will be a long period of tension and preparation. And NATO will concentrate its forces where necessary in order to deliver the first disarming strike, both against the Syass, and against the navy, army, industrial centers and communications of Russia. Only the United States has a minimum of 6000 - 7000 cruise missiles ready for the first strike. And why are you so sure that the Russian leadership will use nuclear weapons, especially as it is written in the doctrine, according to the enemy’s groupings in the concentration centers? They were afraid to answer the Turks, the tomatoes went into action, and then the world armagedon is at stake ... Moreover, after the first strike with cruise missiles at Russia and its forces, given our strengths, resources and capabilities, it makes sense to arrange a nuclear ashes, even local, to us, will not be. We will already lose the war, we just have to wait and get ready for the arrival of the enemy ground forces. Another thing is that both NATO and the United States such an option, aggression against the Russian Federation, is unprofitable and not needed. Till.
        1. dubovitskiy.1947
          dubovitskiy.1947 23 October 2017 21: 57 New
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          Quote: ruff
          The fact is that if a war happened, theoretically, between Russia and NATO, then suddenly it would not start. There will be a long period of tension and preparation. And NATO will concentrate its forces where necessary in order to deliver the first disarming strike, both against the Syass, and against the navy, army, industrial centers and communications of Russia. Only the United States has a minimum of 6000 - 7000 cruise missiles ready for the first strike. And why are you so sure that the Russian leadership will use nuclear weapons, especially as it is written in the doctrine, according to the enemy’s groupings in the concentration centers? They were afraid to answer the Turks, the tomatoes went into action, and then the world armagedon is at stake ... Moreover, after the first strike with cruise missiles at Russia and its forces, given our strengths, resources and capabilities, it makes sense to arrange a nuclear ashes, even local, to us, will not be. We will already lose the war, we just have to wait and get ready for the arrival of the enemy ground forces. Another thing is that both NATO and the United States such an option, aggression against the Russian Federation, is unprofitable and not needed. Till.

          As far as I am familiar with the problem, I will say that nuclear things are on combat alert in very limited numbers. There is a replacement and combat units, and units and crews. These clappers themselves, always fonit, and nuclear processes always occur in them. Therefore, they are heated to one degree or another. Radon, xenon and any other scum stand out that need to be drained, removed and disposed of. And warming up, so that the mechanisms inside do not deteriorate, fight in the fridges.
          A large party will not be carried out by forces only on duty. Everything will be mobilized, the heads will be dragged from the storages, docked, introduced flight missions and so on. Large masses of the host will be raised. And, as Comrade Muller said, if two people know, then the pig also knows. I am convinced that many Stirlitz will be informed in time and we will learn about the plans two months earlier than the warrior in the USA.
          1. ruff
            ruff 23 October 2017 23: 11 New
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            No doubt, NATO’s preparations will not remain a secret for us. The scale will be enormous. If in Iraq in 1991 they gathered half a million troops and drove 7 augs, then NATO’s existing potential and reserves will be concentrated to strike Russia. The only trouble is that it strikes first, almost always, the strongest of the parties, for the weakest, is trying to completely settle the matter with the world ... And mobilizing reserves, Russia with its weak economy, backward industry as a whole, will be extremely stressful ...
  7. kig
    kig 23 October 2017 13: 13 New
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    oak translation
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 23 October 2017 13: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: kig
      oak translation

      ATSTSKY !!! belay
  8. Whaler
    Whaler 23 October 2017 13: 28 New
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    aftir, the mouse, if quietly submerged under water, will no longer come up wassat .... what are you hinting at, did the kulak sing along? fool
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 23 October 2017 14: 08 New
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      It’s strange, these ... fry are caught. And not at all for a bait.
  9. Pecheneg
    Pecheneg 23 October 2017 13: 38 New
    0
    Let them increase their military budget further, and this is exactly what the American admirals are seeking. Not one economy of the world, even the US economy (with their non-stop printing press) can not stand the endless increase in budget expenditures. It is only a matter of time. And to speed up this process, I think the Russian Federation should take a hand, and at the same time, the PRC is not pleasantly backfiring (after all, US trade partner No. 1).
  10. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 23 October 2017 13: 47 New
    +1
    Krasnodar 4 caliber carries on board, about which hail of cruise missiles, and even as a result of two strikes, the authors say ?!
    1. dubovitskiy.1947
      dubovitskiy.1947 23 October 2017 14: 37 New
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      Quote: Stirbjorn
      Krasnodar 4 caliber carries on board, about which hail of cruise missiles, and even as a result of two strikes, the authors say ?!

      Hail or mallet - highly dependent on the filling. Aug will be quite a lot and 4, if organized, multiple, from different angles, using all methods of jamming and deception. And one, but vigorous at the same time will be quite enough.
    2. NKT
      NKT 23 October 2017 15: 27 New
      +1
      Why 4, 10 can release. Two weeks ago, two submarines fired 10 + 6.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 23 October 2017 20: 47 New
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        because she has 4 launch cells, just like 8 of the project 11356 frigates! This is written in the specifications
        1. NKT
          NKT 24 October 2017 07: 20 New
          +1
          It is written that 6 TA with 18 torpedoes or 24 mines. Explain then how pl released 10 calibers.
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 24 October 2017 09: 19 New
            +1
            Quote: NKT
            Explain then how pl released 10 calibers.

            I have no idea, I'm talking about voiced, in the public domain, TTX Varshavyanok. If only one is 6, and the second is 4, using somehow all 6 cells
            1. rudolff
              rudolff 24 October 2017 12: 56 New
              +2
              Ten missiles in a volley, this is the October group volley with the B-268 Veliky Novgorod and the B-271 Kolpino. Initially, according to the design, the boats of this series really had the ability to launch only four KR. Two in the TA and two on the shelves. Only the top two TAs out of six were used. These are purely technical troubles. The fact is that on the Halibut / Varshavyanki four lower TAs are designed for firing conventional torpedoes, and two upper torpedoes with telecontrol and missile torpedoes. These two TAs are also suitable for firing KR. That is, the problem is in the different TAs and their data entry communications. Talk that the ammunition load of the Kyrgyz Republic on the Black Sea six will be increased began in 2015. In principle, there is nothing super complicated here. Replace one or two TAs in the bottom row, it is possible to make changes to the algorithms of Murena.
  11. Whaler
    Whaler 23 October 2017 13: 50 New
    +1
    The emphasis is on Lada with VNEU and Zircons))) the main thing is that the effective Zircon range exceeds the radius of the AUG PLO ... at the first stage, target designation is secondary, 200 (380km.) Miles will be overcome by Zircon in 5 minutes. ... the order has time to leave, during this time (provided that 30 knots are in full swing) for 4,5 km. (really - no more than 3 km) - is not critical for a modern GOS, especially since at the first stage an EMP warhead can be used - a direct hit is not required ....
  12. Wolka
    Wolka 23 October 2017 14: 22 New
    0
    You can dream, huh? like about an underwater electronic warfare, well, like our underwater sea-goers went for a walk, once, and one Yankee boat became blind, deaf and dumb ... then here you just won’t get away with diapers
  13. gcn
    gcn 23 October 2017 15: 11 New
    +1
    I think that simply the US fleet can’t pull together the entire fleet in one relatively small section of the sea-ocean to search for several submarines. After this, the fleet is no longer a fleet but a bunch of targets in one place. Moreover, half of this fleet will ensure the safety of the other half .American submarines are also like invisible to us
  14. Maz
    Maz 23 October 2017 15: 36 New
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    Quote: Shurik70
    Never mind.
    This is just another "we are behind, give money" paid by the Pentagon.
    But how realistic our submarines can destroy their fleet, only practice will show. Unfortunately.

    In accordance with practice, there is a third world war underway, invisible and inaudible. According to its laws, tradition and ethics. We are twenty years ahead of the states under water. And we do what we want at its western and eastern coast. Even the fact that there is no information about this suggests that we are acting very successfully. And what we do is better not even our patriots know.
  15. rudolff
    rudolff 23 October 2017 18: 46 New
    +3
    About the "hail" of rockets.
    May. “From the water area in the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea, the Admiral Essen frigate and the Krasnodar submarine of the Russian Navy launched four Caliber cruise missiles at ISIS terrorist group targets in the Palmyra region. This was reported to the Russian Defense Ministry.” Four rockets paired with Essen.
    June. "The ships Admiral Essen, Admiral Grigorovich and the Krasnodar submarine of the Russian Navy launched six Caliber cruise missiles at the Islamic State facilities in Syria. RIA Novosti reports with reference to the Russian Defense Ministry." We figured out six missiles for three.
    About the hide and seek. "The command of the United States, Turkey and Israel were informed in a timely manner about the launch of cruise missiles through existing channels of interaction." In addition, the boat surfaced in the surface before and after launches. There was no hide and seek. Even recharging the battery performed in the surface. And the aircraft carrier did not run after her. Not a single admiral in his right mind would lead the AUG into the zone of the possible finding of a non-friendly submarine. Even in peacetime. At most, one or two ships could be detached from the group to organize the long-range boundary of the PLO.
    In short, bullshit is everything.
  16. Altona
    Altona 23 October 2017 21: 35 New
    0
    The tone of the article consistently suggests that the American AUG, led by George W. Bush, should have acted to support ISIS.
  17. Old26
    Old26 25 October 2017 16: 22 New
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    Quote: Shurik70
    Never mind.
    This is just another "we are behind, give money" paid by the Pentagon.
    But how realistic our submarines can destroy their fleet, only practice will show. Unfortunately.

    When you read at the beginning of an article that a boat has launched a “hail of cruise missiles”, the desire to read usually disappears. So right now, Americans will tell you how many times they have made contact with our boat and where. Such details are usually never disclosed, so as not to give the enemy food for thought.

    Quote: AlexKP
    I was already puffed up, for some kind of dizeluha, as much as a whole Bush walked with cover.

    Or he just went there, where "Krasnodar", to the coast of Syria

    Quote: Serg65
    80% of Black Sea diesel-electric submarines passed Black Sea straits undetected

    Yeah. And why not all 100%? At least I would read the Straits Convention. Maybe then it would become known that both straits and the Sea of ​​Marmara the boat passes in the freeboard position and exclusively in the daytime.
  18. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 26 October 2017 02: 15 New
    0
    The mattresses now imagine from anger did not know what to do.
  19. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 April 3 2020 19: 21 New
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    The best defense is an attack, but not reckless, but subtly calculated.