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Armada of new ships. US Navy - 2017 Year

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Who does - does not speak. Who says - does not



In the United States, they are not used to waiting for holidays and anniversaries for the ceremonial reception of military equipment. Instead of beautiful television spots with speeches by officials on the background of ships being built (and very rarely completed), the United States is going through painstaking daily work to rearm and strengthen fleet.

Until the end of the year there are still two whole months, but a number of large combat units have already been commissioned overseas. According to maritime tradition, all can be attributed to the ships of the first rank - large and carrying the most powerful weapons.


Missile Destroyer “John Finn” (DDG-113)



Missile Destroyer Raphael Peralta (DDG-115)


Curiously, the second destroyer is named after a Mexican who served in the army for citizenship. Alas, he received it posthumously. According to the official version, he accomplished the feat by covering his body with a grenade.



Both built ships are of the type “Orly Burke”, subseries IIA “Restart”. Those who meet with amazement news about the pace of commissioning of American destroyers (two per year!), please hold back emotions. "Finn" and "Peralta" - the first destroyers after a long five-year hiatus. The resumption of construction of “Burkov” is caused by the refusal of the serial construction of “Zamvoltov”. This is indicated by the very name of the subseries (“restart”).

On the other hand, the fears look quite justified. “Finn” and “Peralta” became already 63-it and, accordingly, 64-th destroyers of their type.

Each of them is capable of releasing as many cruise missiles as all the ships of the Russian Navy, equipped to date with the Caliber complex. Such is the harsh truth about the “likely adversary.” To hide it is to betray people.

The composition of weapons can vary depending on the tasks - shock, anti-submarine, anti-aircraft. The destroyer is equipped with the Aegis air defense system. On board there are two anti-submarine helicopters. Full displacement - about 10 thousand tons. The regular crew is 320 people.

Surely someone will ask who is assigned an intermediate index (“114”). The answer - the destroyer “Ralph Johnson”, whose construction due to failures of contractors, was delayed and the entry into service was postponed to the end of 2017 or the beginning of 2018. Like this. It turns out that the situation with delays and timing shifts is the prerogative of not only the domestic USC.


USS Ralph Johnson (DDG-114) on running trials


In addition to the destroyers theme, it is worth mentioning the following hull, the DDG-116 (“Thomas Hadner”), launched on April 1 on the 2017 of the year. On the day of laughter, but for some reason not funny.

The next, 66 th “Burke” refers to the next sub-series IIA “Technology Implementation”. It is intended to introduce in its design and explore in practice promising solutions that will be fully used in destroyers created to replace the existing Burkees (despite the similar designation, the “Arly Burk” Flight III of the 2030's sample will be largely other ship).

What technologies are we talking about - it is not known for certain. The appearance of the DDG-116 under construction does not differ from the previous Finn and Peralta.



The tactical number "116" does not mean that the US Navy has 116 destroyers right now. Far from it. This is a continuous numbering of all destroyers with guided missile weapons (URO), or in the original DDG. Half of which have long been at peace at the bottom.

Talking about destroyers should, in any case, touch on the topic with the odious “Zamvolt”. This year, 2017, the next destroyer of this project, “Michael Monsour”, is preparing to pass the tests. In this sense, the Americans build their experimental “non-serial” ships faster than we build our “serial” ships.

From destroyers to smaller ships

In June, the coastal warship Gabriel Giffords (LCS-10) was commissioned.



Despite ten built LCS class ships (“littoral combat ship”), the sailors and shipbuilders did not reach a common conclusion. What is it? The ships of the new era - or floating misunderstandings worth nearly billion.

Despite the speed of 45 nodes - faster than any of the modern displacement ships of this size, experts are confused by the lack of any serious attack and anti-aircraft weapons from the LCS. It is easy to be convinced of this by comparing LCS with the Russian corvette of the 20385 Ave.

On the other hand, the Yankees may have needed exactly the high-speed patrol ship, and not the next “burk” with Ajis.

Moreover, it is not just a sentry. The LCS class ship is both a minesweeper, and an anti-submarine, and a mobile helicopter base, and a platform on which to place, depending on the task, any other weapons. Including guided missiles.


Launcher with Hellfire onboard LCS


Remembering the notorious Henry Ford, "the best car is the one that is new." In this sense, the new LCS has its weighty advantage over ships of past eras. And its appearance gives the fleet new opportunities.

According to the established plans, the Yankees annually enter into the composition of each one atomic multipurpose submarine. This year, the “Washington”, the 14-th submarine of the type “Virginia” (sub-series “Block 3”), entered into service.



About submarines of this type more than once described in detail on the pages of “Military Review”. In short, this is the widespread introduction of modern technologies with the keen desire of the customer to limit the cost of the submarine. Therefore, instead of expensive “superheroes”, shipyards are building a series of small submarines. With the same “average” characteristics. At the same time, with all the necessary equipment for the conduct of modern submarine warfare.

Like a real cowboy, in the corps of “Washington” are hidden two “six-shot Colt”. Two mines, with mounted in them starting glasses for "Tomahawks." Total - 12 KR. Of course, not counting the mine-torpedo weapons and equipment for combat swimmers. Hydroacoustic complex of the submarine is optimized for operations in shallow water (“horseshoe-shaped” antenna for scanning the seabed).



Officially, the tab “Washington” took place in 2014 year. But do not take this data seriously. Even experienced US shipbuilders are not able to build a modern nuclear submarine for 3 of the year. The real start of work related to the cutting of metal and the issuance of orders to contractors for the manufacture of mechanisms for the future submarine “Washington”, took place on September 2 2011. Three years later, not the mortgage section was installed on the slipway (as the Sevmash shipyards), but ready-made sections saturated with equipment. The next three years were spent on connecting thousands of modules, with the connection of all communications and valves.

Total - six years of work. At the same time, we are talking about the serial unit, whose construction technology was studied and tested in practice long before its construction began.

Another ship worthy of mention in this list was the Tripoli amphibious assault ship. Named so not in honor of the recent operation in Libya, but in memory of the Berber war of the early nineteenth century. The first US military operation far beyond their continent.



Returning to the new UDC, he has not had time to enter service. Launching took place in May 2017, and the completion would take at least another couple of years. However, due to the size and scope of the work, it is worth mentioning more in detail.

Externally, it represents an enlarged “Mistral”. The length of the flight deck “Tripoli” - 257 meters, full displacement - 45 thousand tons. Domestic designation UDC does not fully reflect the purpose of this ship. In the original, this is the LHA - “amphibious assault carrier”.

Namely rotorcraft aviation, convertiplanes and VTOL aircraft are his main weapons. Unlike the Mistral, this ship is deprived of a docking chamber with landing boats. It is not suitable for transporting heavy military equipment.

The project is based on the UDC “Makin Island”, official sources emphasize that in the design process of “Tripoli” many compartments, originally intended for the placement of the landing force, hospitals and cargo decks were sacrificed to the main task. Increasing the number of wing, more convenient placement and maintenance of aircraft. Repair shops, fuel, spare parts. The height of the agar deck was increased, two ceiling cranes were installed in the hangar. The ship is prepared for use and maintenance of F-35B vertical take-off fighters.

Light aircraft carrier - sounds like a good idea. But the main question remains. For what the Americans needed this low-speed “stub” - in the presence of an armada of a dozen full-fledged “Nimitz” with catapults. There is no clear and confident answer even for those who directly made the decision on its construction. However, even paradoxical ships like the LKR Alaska were built in America. Therefore, I am not surprised.

Tripoli is a tribute to the traditions of the marines. The ILC command desired to get their own light aircraft carrier class LHA (already the second in a row).

Epilogue

Those who argue about the "cut of funds" clearly do not understand the meaning of these words. Cutting - when the allocated funds disappear, and in practice - a ten-year long-term and empty berth. The famous Marxian formula “commodity-money-commodity” turns into “promise-money-emptiness”. In the above situation, everything is different. All these projects can be called “inadequate defense spending.” But they exist in reality, moreover, they are realized in a very short time. The concept of "cut" there is nothing to do with it.

The listed ships are the real reinforcement of the Navy, the breath of the real industry. Which does not exclude certain delays and "misuse of funds." But, all these problems become invisible, against the background of the final result.

This article is for those who are tired of reading news in the future tense. “Planned”, “started the design”, “moved to 20-tenth year”. Also, the material will be useful for familiarizing the authors with articles on how the Atlantic campaign of two corvettes of the Baltic Fleet, which took place in October, could make a great impression on the command of the US Navy.
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  1. Fedorov
    Fedorov 24 October 2017 05: 40 New
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    And here nobody argues. In the foreseeable future, Russia cannot even catch up with the United States by jumping, and such a task is not worth it in principle. Not going to attack anyone. It is enough to defend your interests in some areas. Provide a “containment factor”.
    Russia is a continental power. And then the land component comes to the first place, where a head start can give anyone, and no arly berks somewhere let us say under Bonn will not help here.
    1. Santa Fe
      24 October 2017 06: 12 New
      26
      Quote: Fedorov
      Russia - Continental Power

      What does not cancel the existence of Russia four fleets - Federation Council, Black Sea Fleet, BF (DKBF) and Pacific Fleet

      It is not a comparison, but in PROPORTION. If the Yankees were able to build a destroyer 4 - we should have one in that time

      With the continuous growth of defense spending - Russia 3 place in the world, and the first - by the share of GDP (5,9%) among all developed countries

      The constant attention of society and political leadership to the theme of the Navy - what is the media coverage of trips to the Mediterranean Sea

      All this gives reason to HOPE that we will SEE something similar to the program of updating the US Navy. matching in proportion. Let not four destroyers but at least one under construction. Adequate expectations? In my opinion, quite

      Instead, emptiness and media noise
      Rejoicing about the construction of some boats. The Navy leadership generally sees the discrepancy between its formidable statements (presence in the Mediterranean, Syrian express trains, the Arctic-Atlantic) and reality
      Quote: Fedorov
      It is enough to defend their interests in some areas. Provide a "deterrent factor".

      That's what you need to put into operation on one new destroyer and PLA. once every few years.

      For the country - one of the main players in world geopolitics. Who spends trillions on military spending. And has its interests on the other side of the seas and oceans
    2. Observer2014
      Observer2014 24 October 2017 08: 07 New
      +6
      Fedorov
      and no arly berki somewhere let us say under Bonn will help here.
      I agree. hi bully
    3. Kent0001
      Kent0001 24 October 2017 08: 49 New
      +6
      Well, yes, and allow yourself to impose on all sides? That, in principle, has already been done, and we are pulling Syria with great effort, even in terms of supply. The fleet is needed, because there is no money, and what kind of money is being taken away and no one is responsible for it — these are, in principle, the problems of our leadership and manageability in the Ministry of Defense.
      1. Krabik
        Krabik 30 October 2017 01: 40 New
        0
        Regarding no money, I would argue with you ...
    4. shahor
      shahor 24 October 2017 18: 20 New
      0
      Still how to help !! And why Tomahawks?
    5. shahor
      shahor 6 May 2018 23: 01 New
      0
      Very much help. Have you forgotten about Axes?
  2. Fedorov
    Fedorov 24 October 2017 06: 19 New
    11
    the breath of real industry. Which does not exclude certain delays and "misuse of funds." But, all these problems become invisible, against the background of the end result

    Well, yes, the Zenit Arena, the Vostochny spaceport - they drove the lope there, it was possible even more, because the main thing is the "final result", especially for the grandmother of the pensioner. sad
    1. Santa Fe
      24 October 2017 06: 33 New
      +9
      Quote: Fedorov
      Well, yes, the Zenit-Arena, the Vostochny cosmodrome - the locks were rotated there, it could have been even more, because the main "final result

      There is no end in sight. Starts from the East is not made. About the Arena and the cormorants did not joke only lazy
      Quote: Fedorov
      Lope there vabla stubbed, could be even more

      somewhere it is impossible. Through 5-6 large warships come into operation

      A delay of six months is not a decade. With cost overruns 500%. And still without end result
    2. 27091965
      27091965 24 October 2017 07: 27 New
      +4
      Quote: Fedorov
      Well, yes, the Zenit Arena, the Vostochny Cosmodrome - they drove the lope there, it was possible even more, because the main thing is the "end result",


      "- Write a decree! If someone steals so much money that you can buy a good hemp rope, then hang it on that rope and hang it without regret! " Peter the First.

      Perhaps these words are attributed to Peter the Great, and fiction, but today are very relevant.
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 24 October 2017 08: 13 New
        +4
        Quote: 27091965i
        “- Write a decree! If someone steals so much money that you can buy a good hemp rope, then hang it on it and hang it without regret!” Peter the Great.

        And then who will lead the villages, cities, regions, regions and republics, if this decree is applied in current reality? belay what request
        1. 27091965
          27091965 24 October 2017 08: 20 New
          +5
          Quote: Rurikovich
          And then who will lead the villages, cities, regions, regions and republics, if this decree is applied in current reality?


          " Clever Yaguzhinsky hesitated.
          “Sire, the consequences will be terrible ...”
          - Write! Or I’m no longer an emperor.
          “You are an emperor, an all-merciful sovereign — but you risk, after such a decree, remaining emperor without citizens.” We all steal who is more, who is less ...
          Peter has cooled. He grinned sadly, only waved his hand.
          - The dog is with you ... Steal further
          ."

          Continuation of the previous comment. That's all the realities.
        2. Shtroffrus
          Shtroffrus 29 October 2017 17: 26 New
          +1
          I will master the leadership
    3. Kent0001
      Kent0001 24 October 2017 08: 50 New
      +1
      During the construction of the East, even GDP cannot affect anything, they drag without a twinge of conscience and now they also drag .....
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 24 October 2017 09: 26 New
        +5
        Quote: Kent0001
        During the construction of the East, even GDP cannot affect anything, they drag without a twinge of conscience and now they also drag .....

        You can influence, you just want to wink . And for this, look less at the liberals with their human rights and apply the laws necessary for the cause. Stolen? If proved, get with all that it implies. Like in China. They will steal anyway, but not on such a scale.
        I am personally for stiffness (and even cruelty, if state affairs require)
        And then look what houses are being built for orphans. Personally, I would simply shoot such "builders" in public.
        And if you choose between sound, fair totalitarianism and the current "democracy" with its theft and human rights, I would choose the first. Of course, taking into account historical experience, without distortions. winked
        1. CTABEP
          CTABEP 27 October 2017 21: 45 New
          0
          But what does the violation of laws and human rights have to do with it? And how are damned liberals forbidden to plant thieves and corrupt officials?
        2. tigoda
          tigoda 27 October 2017 22: 14 New
          0
          as they say at the plant there are 3 stages of project implementation: 1- hype, confusion, 2- search for the guilty, 3- rewarding of the authorities and those not involved. So not only will they find the guilty, but they will be appointed! And you hang-hang ....
      2. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 24 October 2017 10: 03 New
        +3
        Quote: Kent0001
        During the construction of the East, even GDP cannot affect anything, they drag without a twinge of conscience and now they also drag .....

        the main result is not visible, a year and a half ago they launched one rocket for the arrival of GDP, since then not a single launch - here you have the launch site! fellow
    4. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 25 October 2017 20: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: Fedorov
      Well, yes, the Zenit Arena, the Vostochny spaceport - they roamed the lope there

      You know how much they’ve stolen, so sound for the people he should know, al-star-sickness?
  3. andrewkor
    andrewkor 24 October 2017 07: 14 New
    +3
    And in terms of icebreakers, Russia surpasses the whole world!
  4. Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine 24 October 2017 07: 22 New
    +2
    Why is D. Ford not mentioned?
  5. corporal
    corporal 24 October 2017 07: 29 New
    0
    This article is for those who are tired of reading the news in the future tense.

    Tired, tired, but how to fix the situation? "The NS is not the 37th year ..." (c) request
    Although many, I am sure, with all limbs for mass plantings and "weeding".
  6. smart ass
    smart ass 24 October 2017 07: 38 New
    +5
    Something inaudibly hooray hooah ?! They wrote so much on the topic “but if we had an aircraft carrier”, now “well, at least the destroyer” has changed. It’s probably necessary to add more money for obona
  7. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 24 October 2017 08: 26 New
    +7
    Kaptsov, in fact, spoke correctly. But who is to blame for the fact that after the Bretton Woods system, some people stamp paper money, like candy wrappers, and therefore can stamp their toys on these pieces of paper, for which the whole world really pays? Look at the root, Oleg - it’s not the difference between the words “cut” and “theft”, but the weight of military budgets. Even if you steal (saw) 10% of the army’s budget, then 60 billion green wrappers out of 600 billion. their US budget will not be as noticeable as 7 billion. out of 70 budget of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. Because purely psychologically, the loss of the poor is much more significant than the loss of the rich. request Therefore, we will carry over and cut financing, and save for the sake of balance. And someone will continue to draw money, receive orders and build ships. because they can afford, but we do not ...
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 24 October 2017 10: 05 New
      +6
      The USSR was somehow building a fleet, the Bretton Woods system did not bother him
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 24 October 2017 15: 06 New
        +4
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        The USSR was somehow building a fleet, the Bretton Woods system did not bother him

        Because in the USSR, rupee was not pegged to the dollar, you didn’t buy a car for "cu" and for full-fledged rubles. In the USSR, the economy did not depend on Bretton Wood. She began to hang in Russia and other fragments of the USSR, when they adopted the western rules of the game.
        That's when the fleet was built
        1. Krabik
          Krabik 30 October 2017 02: 09 New
          +1
          The fleet is built not of paper, but of steel.

          So there is no direct connection between the industry and the printing press.
    2. arkadiyssk
      arkadiyssk 24 October 2017 12: 33 New
      +4
      And our money is not candy wrappers? Well, we do not stamp them as in the USA (although with the introduction of 200 and 2000 it is not known how it will happen), but we simply double their number, setting an arbitrary rate against the dollar. Those. do not print, but draw!
  8. sevtrash
    sevtrash 24 October 2017 08: 42 New
    +2
    The economy is primary, everything comes from it. Which country earns more - that country may have advanced armed forces. This is nothing new, everything has long been clear. It would seem.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 24 October 2017 12: 41 New
      +7
      Quote: sevtrash
      The economy is primary, everything comes from it. Which country earns more - that country may have advanced armed forces. This is nothing new.

      The article is not about this at all, not about the size of the military budgetoffs, but about the efficiency of using the money invested. They allocate money and build it, and in addition to constantly increasing the cost of projects and postponing deadlines, force majeure also happens due to the "right" strategic planning That hohlohunta they refuse to sell all kinds of motors to us, then the country of NATO you see doesn’t want the Mistral to build and supply unique electronics. And you will not find the guilty, everyone is in white and drink champagne.
      1. sevtrash
        sevtrash 24 October 2017 14: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        The article is not about this at all, not about the size of the military budgetoffs, but about the efficiency of using the invested money.

        Yes, of course, but, on the other hand, the efficiency of the economy and the size of the budget are determined by effective management, the relationship is the most direct.
  9. Sergey-svs
    Sergey-svs 24 October 2017 08: 46 New
    +7
    I read another "propaganda-defeatist work" by O. Kaptsov about the implications of the American arms and army, and again the feeling of being smeared in the threshing floor! All of his articles are very reminiscent of lamentations in the style of “a la Novodvorskaya”: in Russia - sheer hopelessness, the mustache has always been only bad and it will never be good, it remains only to repent and lick .... "to the master from behind the puddle" , and even better to immediately strangle yourself from a sense of inferiority! negative So, in the furnace and the author and all his articles. yes
    1. ZVO
      ZVO 24 October 2017 09: 56 New
      14
      Quote: Sergey-svs
      it remains only to repent and lick .... "to the master from behind the puddle", and even better to immediately strangle oneself from a sense of inferiority! negative So, in the furnace and the author and all his articles. yes


      Or maybe you need to go the other way just?
      Prohibit tinkering as a class.
      To prohibit financing of urya-patriotic sites and bloggers.
      And put that money into development true patriotism.
      To bring back again the system of patriotic education in kindergartens and schools - in which the last 30 years under the new Federal State Educational Standards - sections of patriotism are excluded as a class in principle ...
      Make realistic deadlines for misappropriation of funds for state orders and state contracts.
      For under the state contract it steals up to 50% on each chain on kickbacks.
      In all.
      Anyone who has at least taken part in state contracts for the supply of conventional nomenclature to the enterprises of the military-industrial complex and near-military-industrial complex will say this.
      Create new factories in which to recruit new people.
      For the old factories must be burned and old cadres not to be let closer than a kilometer to the new plants otherwise they will infect them with theft. insignificance and nepotism.

      Finally, to ban this stupid working free higher education - in which only 1 graduate from 30-40 goes by profession. After weaning for 6 years at a government expense at some second faculty of KUAI - then people go to sell flowers and tires.
      They basically do not want to go to the factory. Even with the same salary, even if it is "white."
      They want to go to the office.
      This is the missing system of "education of patriotism."
      And then. that each post is paid "by the go-go" - so this is not hidden.
      There are hundreds of different nicknames writing in the same style. Sometimes forgetting to log in.
      They work out like clockwork. Their temporary activity is clearly visible.
      This is not the development of patriotism - this is the opposite. Bringing "dulling" to the level of senility - which will be followed by the rejection of the principle of "patriotism" by the majority of the population.
      That’s the trouble.
      So even if you are not selling for money - do not write foul language, just be honest and versatile.
      Enemies only need to tear society and you participate in this. Immediately blaming those who are rational - licking, etc.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 24 October 2017 10: 08 New
        +8
        Quote: ZVO
        There are hundreds of different nicknames writing in the same style. Sometimes forgetting to log in.
        They work out like clockwork. Their temporary activity is clearly visible.
        This is not the development of patriotism - this is the opposite. Bringing "dulling" to the level of senility - which will be followed by the rejection of the principle of "patriotism" by the majority of the population.
        This is a consequence of the degradation of the government itself. For an intelligent person, "drowning" is disgusting, for a stupid and greedy official on the contrary, sheer favor hi
      2. Sergey-svs
        Sergey-svs 24 October 2017 11: 01 New
        +5
        Quote ZVO:
        So even if you are not selling for money - do not write foul language, just be honest and versatile.
        Enemies only need to tear society and you participate in this. Immediately blaming those who are rational - licking, etc.

        In the commentary, I wrote my personal, both about the author and about his articles in the liberal style of "oh how bad it is - it’s gone!" Zadolbala this eternally aching liberalism already! yes I don’t like my commentary and consider it “rya-rattling”, this is your right, I won’t even argue. By the way, I’m not happy with yours either, but neighing heartily over: "new" plants for "new" people, etc.! good laughing laughing laughing
        PS And another request, if you know, then the address is the exact reset here or in PM, where is the loot for "rya-rya" comments pay:
        And then. that each post is paid "by the go-go" - so this is not hidden.

        I am grateful in advance and am already looking forward to a secured old age! hi
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 24 October 2017 12: 49 New
          +8
          Quote: Sergey-svs
          In the commentary, I wrote my personal, both about the author and about his articles in the liberal style of "oh how bad it is - it’s gone!" Zadolbala this eternally aching liberalism already!

          Can you clarify what exactly you did not like in the article? What points can you refute where the author lied? If there is no constructive criticism, then it’s just that you piled a bunch in the comments
          Quote: Sergey-svs
          threshing floor
          .
          1. Sergey-svs
            Sergey-svs 24 October 2017 15: 43 New
            +5
            In the United States, they are not used to waiting for holidays and anniversaries for the ceremonial reception of military equipment. Instead of beautiful television spots with speeches by officials against the background of ships being built (and very rarely completed), the United States is doing painstaking daily work to rearm and strengthen the fleet ...
            ... The listed ships are a real strengthening of the Navy, the breath of a real industry. Which does not exclude certain delays and "misuse of funds." But, all these problems become invisible, against the background of the final result.
            ... This article is for those who are tired of reading the news in the future tense. “Planned,” “started designing,” “postponed to the twentieth year” ...


            I have already expressed my opinion about the works of O. Kaptsov: the golem propaganda, written in approximately the same enthusiastic decadent style, how everything is good in the USA and how bad everything is in Russia. One epigraph is just what it costs: "Who does - does not speak. Who says - does not!" negative
            To compare now the capabilities and speed of the rearmament of the US and Russian armies, this is simply not correct! request Nobody ruined or plundered the US economy, its army and production capacities, as the liberalism that came to power in the 90s and 2000s did for us. sad The Russian military-industrial complex is just beginning to slowly crawl out of that deep "experience" in which it has turned out and it is already pleasing, although of course I really wanted this process to go even faster. But, as Omar Khayyam wrote: "Destruction is always easier than building ..." yes
          2. Setrac
            Setrac 24 October 2017 21: 24 New
            0
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            Can you clarify what exactly you did not like in the article? What points can you refute where the author lied?


            Each of them is capable of releasing as many cruise missiles as all the ships of the Russian Navy, equipped to date with the Caliber complex. Such is the harsh truth about the “likely adversary.” To hide it is to betray people.

            This is a clear lie, any ship of comparable size (no matter what state) carries a comparable number of missiles, and American ships do not carry anti-ship missiles - but this is a complete paragraph, what will they fight with the enemy fleet?
            1. Sharansky
              Sharansky 28 October 2017 13: 03 New
              +1
              Quote: Setrac
              This is a blatant lie.

              Arly Burke has 96 universal launch cells. Can you name a ship of comparable size in Russia with the same capabilities in the salvo of the Kyrgyz Republic?
              Quote: Sharansky
              American ships do not carry anti-ship missiles

              Firstly, they carry both anti-ship missiles and PLUR, and secondly, for the fight against surface boats, their main weapon is carrier-based aircraft.
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 28 October 2017 20: 33 New
                0
                Quote: Sharansky
                Arly Burke has 96 universal launch cells. Can you name a ship of comparable size in Russia with the same capabilities in the salvo of the Kyrgyz Republic?

                For example, project 11356 carries 8 cruise missiles and 24 missiles - a total of 32 missiles, but it is almost three times lighter.
                Gorshkov carries 16 missile launchers plus 32 missiles - a total of 48 missile-missiles, half as much with half the displacement, although it is in a single copy so far.
                Quote: Sharansky
                Firstly, they carry both anti-ship missiles and PLUR, and secondly, for the fight against surface boats, their main weapon is carrier-based aircraft.

                That is, if there is no aircraft carrier nearby - and there are only eleven - then the American fleet in popenhagen.
                1. Sharansky
                  Sharansky 28 October 2017 21: 30 New
                  +1
                  In full popenhagen with its dozens of destroyers, cruisers and submarines with UDC. Therefore, in shock from two Russian corvettes. And already 11 nuclear-powered carriers are generally chickens to laugh. Trough compared to Kuznetsov. Bach and disappeared by magic. And the rest of the fleets of NATO and other allies are inflatable boats.
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 28 October 2017 22: 06 New
                    0
                    Quote: Sharansky
                    In full popenhagen with its dozens of destroyers, cruisers and submarines with UDC.

                    Those who DO NOT have anti-ship missiles, or even a quadrillion, they have nothing to shoot at Russian ships, except for guns and torpedoes.
                    Quote: Sharansky
                    And the rest of the fleets of NATO and other allies are inflatable boats.

                    The allies of the United States have exactly the same weapons - defective subsonic missiles of small radius of battle.
                    1. Sharansky
                      Sharansky 29 October 2017 01: 08 New
                      0
                      Yeah, rot. Tolley deal two corvettes.
                      1. Setrac
                        Setrac 29 October 2017 11: 59 New
                        0
                        Quote: Sharansky
                        Yeah, rot. Tolley deal two corvettes.

                        It was originally about the number of missiles that the ship carries, I proved to you that it is comparable, proportional to the displacement and about the same for everyone.
                        Five corvettes are in operation and eight more are under construction and in their anti-ship capabilities they are not inferior to the “Berks”, provided the “harpoons” are returned to them (the Berks)
            2. xtur
              xtur 30 October 2017 22: 03 New
              +1
              > This is a clear lie

              these are just features of the author’s style - a polemic exaggeration turning into an open lie
  10. X
    X Y Z 24 October 2017 11: 16 New
    +3
    Those who argue about “cutting funds” clearly do not understand the meaning of these words. Cut - when the allocated funds disappear, but in practice - a ten-year long-term construction and an empty berth.


    This respected author absolutely does not understand the concept of "cut." When funds stupidly disappear, this is not a cut, but banal theft. It is not elegant and carries certain risks. This is an option for third world countries. No, cut in the so-called developed countries, the thing is highly artistic, requiring some skill and organizational abilities. This, if you go down to the level of a housewife, is a process when a significant part of personal enrichment is withdrawn from the amounts allocated to some weapons. At the same time, the allocated amount using the administrative resource is intentionally overstated by the participants in the cut. The output product quite naturally has much lower consumer properties, which are leveled in the documents and in the minds of consumers by the same participants in the cut. Like it happened, we can’t give a better one now. This is very brief, there are a million options and small details.
  11. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 24 October 2017 11: 25 New
    +2
    It’s sad somehow for our fleet, for our priority on the sea / ocean .... We need to develop the Navy at least for the deterrence factor .... but we can’t even talk about open confrontation in the oceans.
    1. Alexander War
      Alexander War 24 October 2017 12: 43 New
      +4
      We still need to build Corvettes and Frigates, and by 2020 we will decide on our destroyer and begin construction for the Northern and Pacific Fleet!
    2. Romario_Argo
      Romario_Argo 24 October 2017 13: 20 New
      +4
      Missile cruiser Ave. 1164 Marshal Ustinov - after modernization
      SAM Fort
      WAS: BC 64 SAM 5В55РМ range 50 km, speed 2 km / s
      BECAME: BC 256 SAM 9М96Е2, range 150 km, speed 2 km / s
      (increase in efficiency in 8 times)
      Equivalent: 1164 Air Defense / Missile Ave. - 4 EM Arly Burke
      RCC P-1000 Volcano 750 km range (ICC Liana) - there are NO analogues in the US Navy!
      PKR Harpoon 280 km.
      Equivalent: 1164 Ave. on anti-ship missiles - 8 EM Arly Burke
      Total: 1 RK, etc. 1164 is comparable on average with 12 EM Arly Burke
      (about UG RK pr. 1164, 1 PLARK pr. 949AM, 1 BOARS 971 equivalent to 24 Arly Burke but this is a separate issue)
      1. Ivanchester
        Ivanchester 24 October 2017 14: 40 New
        +3
        Please tell me the source of information about the modernization of the Fort on Ustinov.
        And the Volcano on it, if I’m not mistaken, is not. There is Basalt (RCC-500).
      2. andy.v.lee
        andy.v.lee 24 October 2017 17: 18 New
        0
        And the quantity? Three oceans then!
        1. Ivanchester
          Ivanchester 24 October 2017 17: 49 New
          0
          Yes, this is unprincipled bully
          Even with non-deployed Liana, one Atlas is equivalent to 12 Burke! laughing
        2. Romario_Argo
          Romario_Argo 24 October 2017 19: 09 New
          0
          And the quantity? Three oceans then!

          When using the diverse forces of the Navy:
          1 RK ave. 1164, 1 PLARK ave. 949
          BC 24 RCC Granite range 750 km. (ICRC Liana) - equivalent to 12 EM Arly Burke
          (Burki. Will not reach the line of attack of RK Harpoon since the range is 280 km.)
          Total: 2 KR (NK / PL) = 24 EM Arly Burke
          SF:
          1 IG 1 RK ave. 1164 (M. Ustinov), 1 PLARK ave. 949A, 1 BOARDS ave. 974 - 24
          2 IG 1 TARK pr. 1144 (P. Veliky), 1 PLARK ave. 949AM, 1 BOARDS ave. 885 - 81
          TARK PKR-80, SAM 128 - coefficient. Xnumx
          PLARK RCC - 72 - coefficient. Xnumx
          PCB RAT - 32 - coefficient. Xnumx
          Pof:
          3 IG 1 RK ave. 1164 (Varangian), 1 PLARK ave. 949A, 1 BOARDS ave. 974 - 24
          4 IG 1 TARK ave. 1144 (A. Nakhimov), 1 BOARD ave. 949AM, BOARD ave. 885М - 81 (2020)
          TARK PKR-80, SAM 128 - coefficient. Xnumx
          PLARK RCC - 72 - coefficient. Xnumx
          PCB RAT - 32 - coefficient. Xnumx
          Mediterranean Operational Squadron:
          5 IG 1 RK Ave. 1164 (Moscow), 1 PLARK Ave. 949A, 1 BOARDS Ave. 974 - 24
          Equivalent: 234 EM Arly Burke 68/ KR Ticonderoga 22 - only available 90
          5 Thunderbands can 2,6 times destroy 90 US High Command
          1. rudolff
            rudolff 24 October 2017 19: 27 New
            +3
            Excuse me, what kind of beast is this, the 974 PLAT project?
            1. Romario_Argo
              Romario_Argo 24 October 2017 19: 41 New
              0
              Excuse me, what kind of beast is this, the 974 PLAT project?

              typographical error of the PLAT Ave. 971 Pike-B
              by the way their BC 30 RCC / PLUR / KR / Torpedo
              P-500 (ancestor of C-10 "Pomegranate"), 3М14, 3М54, 91РТ Caliber, etc.
              1. rudolff
                rudolff 24 October 2017 20: 02 New
                10
                Hmm ... Regarding BC, you also have a typo, there are not 30 units. However, the rest is also typos. None of the ships of the project 971 are currently in service with a single 3M14 or 3M54, of course, there has long been no Grenade. It is better not to mention the presence of the R-500 product on the armament at all, so that people would not die of laughter. Excuse me.
          2. ZVO
            ZVO 24 October 2017 20: 29 New
            +1
            Quote: Romario_Argo

            5 Thunderbands can 2,6 times destroy 90 US High Command [/ i]


            I alone see in this author the reincarnation of the Operator?
            Even with a farther alternative universe?
          3. Vadim237
            Vadim237 24 October 2017 22: 05 New
            +4
            "5 Shock Groups can destroy 2,6 US High Command ships 90 times" And US ships, together with aircraft carriers, can destroy our five strike groups 42,6 times.
            1. Romario_Argo
              Romario_Argo 25 October 2017 08: 22 New
              0
              Impact Group of:
              TAVKR Admiral Kuznetsov creates an air defense zone Su-33 600 km, air defense systems 20 km
              TARK Peter the Great, anti-aircraft defense zone 250, 150, 20 km,
              RK Marshal Ustinov, air defense zone air defense systems 150, 20 km.
              BOD ave. 1155, air defense zone SAM systems 20 km.
              EM Ave. 956 Admiral Ushakov, air defense zone air defense systems 70 km.
              2 e-PLARK ave. 949AM
              2 BOARD ave. 971 Pike-B
              Impact capabilities, (ICRC Liana):
              TAVKR - 14 Su-33 - 14 П-800 - 1500 km + 12 RCC
              TARK - 20 RCC - 750 km.
              RK - 16 RCC - 750 km.
              2 PLARK - 48 RCC - 750 km.
              2 BOARDS - 20 RCC - 500 km.
              total: 130 anti-ship missiles in salvo from 500 to 1500 km.
          4. raw174
            raw174 25 October 2017 13: 08 New
            +3
            Quote: Romario_Argo
            BC 24 RCC Granite range of 750 km. (ICRC Liana)

            But do we have an adequate target designation system that ensures reliable defeat of a moving surface target?
      3. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 25 October 2017 10: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: Romario_Argo
        Total: 1 RK, etc. 1164 is comparable on average with 12 EM Arly Burke
        I don’t understand why you add 4 + 8 - or do you have 4 Burke only with air defense / missile defense, and the remaining 8 only with anti-ship missiles ?! You have strange arithmetic ... After modernization, by the way, it only became
        According to the press service of the enterprise, on the “Marshal Ustinov” the ship’s hull structures, propeller-drive group mechanisms and the main power plant were repaired. The modernization of electronic weapons systems with the replacement of analog devices to digital.
        VMP source! Where did you get this game about ZURy ?!
      4. smart ass
        smart ass 27 October 2017 12: 11 New
        0
        Are you talking about a ship not operational ?! Are you dreaming about it? Then I imagine him flying with a plasmogan and intergalactic accelerators. The inscription on board cheers cheers cheers!
  12. Div Divich
    Div Divich 24 October 2017 11: 50 New
    +2
    Has anyone analyzed what problems Russian shipbuilding has?

    Lack of money, lack of specialists, outdated equipment, outdated production technologies, lack of orders. Or, in general, no one oversees this industry, and being on autopilot after the collapse of the union, is slowly sinking.

    I believe that each problem has names and surnames, officials simply cover each other, they are afraid to fly off cash.


    The United States is strong not only because of the availability of money, but because of the use of effective methods to achieve goals.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 24 October 2017 12: 52 New
      0
      Competition laws work not only in business, but also in politics.
  13. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 24 October 2017 12: 35 New
    +2
    And if you look at the Chinese statistics on the construction of warships, it will become even sadder.
    1. arkadiyssk
      arkadiyssk 24 October 2017 16: 44 New
      0
      Which China is the first in the world in legal proceedings. We should at least catch Japan.
  14. Livonetc
    Livonetc 24 October 2017 12: 44 New
    +1
    "Do not be sad,
    whole life ahead."
    Or did someone decide to run for president?
    And as for the US fleet, we will see who will be behind the helms.
    Transgender people, homosexuals, or other creatures unknown to us so far are of a secondary kind.
    Do not underestimate the enemy, but do not overestimate.
    And most importantly, do not underestimate your own armed forces and strongly support in every way at all times.
  15. Old26
    Old26 24 October 2017 13: 32 New
    10
    I was honestly surprised by the authorship of Oleg. Article plus.
    Here some write what it is
    article in the liberal style "oh how bad it is - it’s gone!" Zadolbala this eternally aching liberalism already!

    Is that good? After all, it’s not even a matter of saying that we have caught up or, in the near future, will catch up with the Americans on ships. The question is, "they build, and we often say." We are talking about how much our non-existent destroyer Flurry will surpass these little ships of A. Burke. "Or how much our nonexistent Husky boat will surpass their current Virginia. Such an article would be
    not in liberal style and that would not be liberal liberal whining? Yes. That would be even worse. - louder.
    Oleg wrote what is in reality. That they’ve been building the destroyer for 3 years and about the same number of boats since the bookmark, and we are building 2-3 times longer in time. On their stream - we have a piece.
    And it doesn’t go beyond conversations. Although Russia, as is customary to say, is a continental power (and what about the USA, no?), A fleet is needed. And above all, not coastal and balanced ....
    Rarely, Oleg put the pluses, but now PLUS. For the topic raised
    1. rudolff
      rudolff 24 October 2017 20: 23 New
      +8
      Vladimir, Oleg, in general, is right that he raised the topic, but ... But why? Isn’t it time to admit that as a naval power we smoothly dropped out of the big leagues? It makes no sense to compare the Navy with the US Navy, these are just different weight categories. Worse, we risk even falling out of the first division, skipping ahead to China and Japan. Here with them, we can still butt. Until the retired ships of the first rank of the Soviet bookmark.
      1. xtur
        xtur 30 October 2017 22: 26 New
        +1
        > But why? Isn’t it time to admit that as a naval power we smoothly dropped out of the big leagues?

        Then, mowing down to Kaptsov’s style, we must admit that in parallel with the Russian Federation, the USA also drops out of the Premier League. How much I read about the US Navy, if you take long periods of time their rate of departure of ships is not covered by the rate of increase — the structure of the expenditures of their military budget is not optimal, the share of expenses for different bases is too large, and the share of equipment upgrades is too small.
        And the size of cuts in existing spending should cause hysteria among Russian corrupt officials - to bet on such a destroyer as Zumvolt is worse than failure, it is worse than the problems of the Russian fleet with Frets, torpedoes, various non-working radars on frigates.
        The new aircraft carrier adopted in the US is shame and disgrace - a typical Potemkin village. With his existing problems, he will be about 10 years old, at best, brought to acceptable combat conditions.
        The problems of Russian shipbuilding have at least a clear explanation - the revival of the almost lost school of shipbuilding, tank building and civil aircraft construction.

        But the United States - new planes are worse than old ones, new ships are worse than old ones, there are no new tanks at all - all signs of a complete imbalance in the work of the state apparatus. It’s just that 99% of officers are accustomed to the scientific and technological leadership of the United States and can’t recognize the fact that in the United States everything is incomparably worse than in the Russian Federation - in the Russian Federation there is a poorly functioning device, and in the USA the device has stopped working from the word in general.
        And it couldn’t be otherwise - the war with monuments (Washington’s commemorative plaques have already begun to be demolished) is all, an end, then only an epitaph
  16. Jaros81
    Jaros81 24 October 2017 16: 44 New
    +1
    Each of them is capable of releasing as many cruise missiles as all the ships of the Russian Navy equipped with the Caliber complex today. This is the harsh truth about the "probable adversary." Hiding it means betraying people

    Oh how. 56 Tomahawks can be released by one of their destroyers. Given that the destroyers of the United States and their cruisers are sharpened to strike on the ground, and our ships to attack American troughs, including the AUG.
    1. groks
      groks 24 October 2017 18: 54 New
      +1
      Why's that? Now where do they shoot caliber?
      1. Jaros81
        Jaros81 24 October 2017 20: 05 New
        0
        The "Caliber" has an anti-ship modification. ISIS attacks are an exception. Indeed, ISIS does not have a fleet. In addition, take, for example, project 20380. Uranus can be loaded there. And then, the doctrine of our fleet clearly implies a defensive character. We do not need thousands of missiles capable of hitting ground targets from the sea. Our task is to damage aircraft carriers. I am not saying destruction, namely, damage to them to such a state that they cannot receive or send airplanes (their main hope in the fight against ships). The "axes" are clearly intended to strike the ground. The states have RCC Harpoon such a good rocket. Was about 30 years ago. now against the background of the Caliber looks faded.
        1. ZVO
          ZVO 24 October 2017 20: 31 New
          +2
          Quote: Jaros81
          The states have RCC Harpoon such a good rocket. Was about 30 years ago. now against the background of the Caliber looks faded.


          How is the RCC Caliber different from the RCC Harpoon?
          1. Jaros81
            Jaros81 24 October 2017 20: 53 New
            0
            Range, speed at the target, more modern.
  17. groks
    groks 24 October 2017 18: 51 New
    +2
    Prohibit funding for urea-patriotic sites and bloggers
    EdRo finances them, so no way.
    But Makarenko was recently cut off at the Aftershock, a couple of his sectarians fell in battle. And somehow immediately the level of urine decreased.
  18. vladikod
    vladikod 24 October 2017 19: 02 New
    +7
    The worst service can be played by the leadership of the country, the army and the navy, this is “kvass patriotism and hatred”, which in recent years has become more frequent on the pages of various media ... All this “arrogance” is also connected with successes in Syria ... Therefore, sober-minded and far-sighted politicians and leaders will not go on about the "cheers-patriots" .... How it ends we all remember at the beginning of World War II ...
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 24 October 2017 21: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: vladikod
      "fermented patriotism and hatred"

      There is patriotism and there is not patriotism, but "kvass patriotism" - just an excuse for traitors
      1. ZVO
        ZVO 25 October 2017 16: 32 New
        +2
        Quote: Setrac
        Quote: vladikod
        "fermented patriotism and hatred"

        There is patriotism and there is not patriotism, but "kvass patriotism" - just an excuse for traitors

        If you see only black and white, then you should first go to the optometrist, and then to the psychotherapist.
        The human eye defines more than 10 million shades.
        If the analogy is not clear to you, then in vain you have lived this life.
        She never taught you anything.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 26 October 2017 14: 28 New
          0
          Quote: ZVO
          The human eye defines more than 10 million shades.

          However, it was not about the shades of life.
          For example, you can’t be a little pregnant, you are either pregnant or not, you can’t be half patriot and half traitor.
          Quote: ZVO
          If you see only black and white, then you should first go to the optometrist, and then to the psychotherapist.

          If I see black and white, it means that everything is fine with my eyesight, but if you see only gray, it’s for you to see an ophthalmologist, and then to see a psychotherapist so that he cures you of a partial pregnancy.
          Quote: ZVO
          If the analogy is not clear to you, then in vain you have lived this life.

          And who then lived in vain after this?
    2. Protos
      Protos 25 October 2017 23: 07 New
      0
      Quote: vladikod
      The worst service can be played by the leadership of the country, the army and the navy, this is “kvass patriotism and hatred”, which in recent years has become more frequent on the pages of various media ... All this “arrogance” is also connected with successes in Syria ... Therefore, sober-minded and far-sighted politicians and leaders will not go on about the "cheers-patriots" .... How it ends we all remember at the beginning of World War II ...

      Now there will be no WWII script!
      There will be current local conflicts, where the first-rank ships do not need a fuck, or a global conflict in which anyway "the whole world is in ruin" wink
  19. MadCat
    MadCat 25 October 2017 07: 03 New
    +4
    after launching such a fleet of five-year ships of the first rank over the five-year period, the standard mantra of the patriyots of the "caliber khibiny pampersrab" looks especially pathetic.
  20. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 25 October 2017 14: 11 New
    0
    Russia needs to intensify nuclear submarine building
  21. saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 25 October 2017 20: 47 New
    0
    All re-equipment for the Russian Navy was postponed to 2018-2025 due to complex production aspects.
    They all torn it apart and then we’ll hit it ......
  22. saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 25 October 2017 21: 08 New
    0
    A little write about the American public debt?
    Half a trillion in a month and a half.


    I enjoyed reading the article as usual.
    1. Krabik
      Krabik 30 October 2017 02: 23 New
      0
      I can write a short article about US debt.

      The Americans borrowed $ 10 billion from Russia, built an aircraft carrier for themselves, and instead of repaying money, they borrowed another 10 billion, and so on.

      As a result, the United States owes 20 trillion, but no one talks about the return of funds%)

      If you still have questions, ask ...
  23. Protos
    Protos 25 October 2017 23: 04 New
    0
    Quote: raw174
    Quote: Romario_Argo
    BC 24 RCC Granite range of 750 km. (ICRC Liana)

    But do we have an adequate target designation system that ensures reliable defeat of a moving surface target?

    And for a long time ... it’s not in vain that Glonass was deployed lol
    1. Sivasa
      Sivasa 26 October 2017 03: 27 New
      +2
      Granite was created in conjunction with a satellite constellation. Reconnaissance satellite - target designation satellite. Glonass does not even close solve these problems.
  24. Sivasa
    Sivasa 26 October 2017 03: 25 New
    0
    Author, good job!
  25. 3danimal
    3danimal 26 October 2017 03: 57 New
    +3
    Quote: Rurikovich
    And for this, look less at the liberals with their human rights and apply the laws necessary for the cause. Stolen? If proved, get with all that it implies. Like in China. They will steal anyway, but not on such a scale.

    You are mistaken in accusing liberals of human rights and leniency of laws. The problem is different: in the Russian Federation, in fact, there is an untouchable “estate” (officials starting from a certain rank), to which laws of any severity will not be applied (under the existing system). Do you want executions? Perhaps they will be introduced for public relations once (if things go even worse in the economy), but those who stole a loaf-bottle-TV or protesters, rather than those who plundered 100-300-500 million, will shoot. Look, the recent episode is very revealing: an official convicted of embezzlement of 220 million rubles was sentenced to 3,5 years probation. That's all hard dreams.
    Believe me, it will be enough regular landings for 10 years of general or strict regime so that the theft of our (budget) funds begins to tend to zero. But this will be possible only with other government and system ..
  26. 3danimal
    3danimal 26 October 2017 06: 05 New
    0
    Quote: Jaros81
    The states have RCC Harpoon such a good rocket. Was about 30 years ago. now against the background of the Caliber looks faded.

    "Harpoon" of the last modification and 30 years ago have only mass-dimensions, layout and name in common. ARL GSN is new (characteristics are higher than “X-35” with less weight), there is more fuel and more energy (range 280 km), all the electronics are digital, light and reliable (it gave a backlog to increase the fuel range), the engine is new, more economical . Unless the warhead (225 kg, the caliber is suitable for any purpose), has remained the same.
    Competent practice, in my opinion: if something works well (successful layout), you just need to upgrade.
    And besides, the heavier LRASM is just around the corner ..
    1. Ivanchester
      Ivanchester 26 October 2017 13: 06 New
      0
      But can the Berks be carriers of Harpoons?
      As far as I understand, these missiles cannot be placed in their launch cells.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 26 October 2017 14: 31 New
        0
        Quote: Ivanchester
        But can the Berks be carriers of Harpoons?
        As far as I understand, these missiles cannot be placed in their launch cells.

        On the deck in a square - nesting manner.
        1. Ivanchester
          Ivanchester 1 November 2017 14: 07 New
          +1
          Judging by the English-language wiki, the latest 30 ships of this project have no such opportunity.
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 26 October 2017 14: 34 New
      0
      Quote: 3danimal
      And besides, the heavier LRASM is just around the corner ..

      Yeah, as soon as they decide what it should be, long-range or supersonic.
      Quote: 3danimal
      Competent practice, in my opinion: if something works well (successful layout), you just need to upgrade.

      Opportunities for modernization are greatly exaggerated
  27. 3danimal
    3danimal 26 October 2017 06: 08 New
    0
    Quote: Protos
    And for a long time ... it’s not in vain that Glonass was deployed

    This system will allow attacking only motionless targets whose location is known in advance.
    PS From the photo-satellite it will not be possible to induce RCC on the AUG, do you know? )
  28. 3danimal
    3danimal 26 October 2017 06: 13 New
    0
    Quote: saturn.mmm
    All re-equipment for the Russian Navy was postponed to 2018-2025 due to complex production aspects.

    It will be very interesting for me to read your comments when in 2025 these terms will be extended to the 30-35th ..;)
    The problem is in the system; it cannot be reconstructed, develop the economy, science, etc., to the detriment of the appetites of its beneficiaries.
  29. looker-on
    looker-on 26 October 2017 22: 26 New
    +2
    Quote: Sergey-svs
    In Russia - sheer hopelessness


    You have become 3 times poorer in 2 years. Are you few?) "Such an adult, but still believe in genie" ©
  30. chidoryan
    chidoryan 27 October 2017 08: 42 New
    +1
    That's what industrial and economic power means ... hmm ... (
  31. 3danimal
    3danimal 27 October 2017 14: 00 New
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    as soon as they decide which one to be, long-range or supersonic.

    They have long decided, go finally to the Lockheed Martin page. There will be a subsonic, subtle, "smart", long-range, with a multispectral GOS (RL + IR) and a powerful (~ 450 kg) warhead.
  32. 3danimal
    3danimal 27 October 2017 14: 04 New
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    Opportunities for modernization are greatly exaggerated

    Compare it with the "classmates" - X-35 (Uranus), Exoset, RBS, Yingji .. She is the most long-range and powerful. The principle of reasonable sufficiency)
  33. Shtroffrus
    Shtroffrus 29 October 2017 17: 33 New
    +1
    He worked in one factory at the parent enterprise. Second production for 1000km. So until CCTV was set up in the workshops, people went to work when they wanted (s / n paid regularly), then they started working and EVEN to finish work on time. Without control, we will be forever in catching up.
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