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The whole truth about Russian electronics

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In this video, you will learn whether Russia produces sophisticated modern electronics? Why on the shelves of stores, we almost do not meet domestic appliances? Is it just that our industry has collapsed? Are the oppositionists right to say that there is no scientific and technical progress in today's Russia? Is it true that Russian electronics are made from Chinese components? Do young engineers have prospects in our country? What is a "Week without turnstiles"? Are there markets in which Russia is ahead of its competitors? Can Russia and Belarus create a self-sufficient union in the field of production of super-modern equipment? The plot of the series "Antinavalny". In the studio, deputy director of the Roselectronika company, member of the Public Chamber of the Union State of Russia and Belarus, Arseny Brykin.


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  1. Grandfather
    Grandfather 21 October 2017 18: 03 New
    +6
    Why on store shelves we almost do not meet domestic appliances?
    I did not find an answer ...
    1. Sergik76
      Sergik76 22 October 2017 09: 15 New
      +7
      The answer was, they produce only industrial and military electronics, fully focused on state. orders or orders of large corporations. Well, where it is necessary to compete in price and quality, they can not do anything.
      1. Khazarin
        Khazarin 22 October 2017 10: 23 New
        +5
        Quote: Sergik76
        Well, where it is necessary to compete in price and quality, they can not do anything.

        Not when, under any regime, in the Russian pampas will they be able to make competitive, high-tech products for the laity! There is only one reason, the cost of producing this product in a country where the average annual temperature is -5 * С, in any case, will be at least 1.5 times higher than where the annual temperatures do not go beyond + 5 * С (Helsinki for example). Well, the cost of utility needs is higher than in Finland, for example, and what a difference in the cost of laying communications in Indochina and ours, I will not even give an example!
        The defense industry and large corporations can afford such prices, the laity do not!
        1. Evgeny Strygin
          Evgeny Strygin 22 October 2017 18: 42 New
          0
          Well nifiga yourself! It is so clear that the rise of Europe is associated with climatic conditions, and not their peculiarity!
        2. raw174
          raw174 23 October 2017 07: 26 New
          +2
          This is one of the factors, the second is cheap labor in Asia. Our fellow citizens are more demanding on salaries and working conditions.
          1. MKPU-115
            MKPU-115 24 October 2017 00: 00 New
            +2
            For MKAD, most now work for food. 15-20 tyrov.
            1. raw174
              raw174 24 October 2017 06: 27 New
              +7
              Quote: MKPU-115
              For MKAD, most now work for food. 15-20 tyrov.

              I’m working not just outside the Moscow Ring Road, I’m behind the Urals, in the village ... Yes, salary 20300, by our standards - this is the average salary, the wife is on maternity leave (14 kopecks. Thousand maternity), two children, enough for what is needed and a little bit left. I consider myself a middle class. I spend about 5 thousand on food, about 6 thousand on a communal apartment in the winter, 2,5-3 thousand in the summer, an apartment of 4 rooms. 120 sq.m., mortgage 14200 rubles / month.
              At plants such as MMK, ChTPZ, etc. s / n about 40-50 thousand workers not highly skilled (a friend works as an assistant turner, about 35-40 receives). But there are more costs in the city ...
              In general, everything is relative ...
      2. Kent0001
        Kent0001 27 October 2017 15: 08 New
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        Exactly. We have nothing substantial, and there are no developments. In this regard, we have done much, if not forever, given the pace of electronics development outside the borders of the Russian Federation.
    2. screw cutter
      screw cutter 22 October 2017 10: 30 New
      +5
      In this case, have you seen a lot of electronic products on the shelves of America? There ALL is Chinese.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 22 October 2017 15: 03 New
        +3
        Quote: screw cutter
        In this case, have you seen a lot of electronic products on the shelves of America? There ALL is Chinese.

        Salary also affects. The American will not work for 500 bucks, they have a little more unemployment benefits.
      2. Sharansky
        Sharansky 26 October 2017 21: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: screw cutter
        There is ALL Chinese.

        There are generally about 417 electronic companies. There are electronics factories in every state in the United States.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Electronic
        s_companies_of_the_United_States
        the links you can see where they are and what they produce
        And as a homework, guess who produces 80% of the electronic filling of GLONASS satellites?
      3. Kent0001
        Kent0001 27 October 2017 15: 11 New
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        In all Chinese, Japanese, Korean, 90 percent of Amer’s developments. This is for those who are not at all in the topic and do not even try to understand the essence of the problem.
    3. GIN
      GIN 27 October 2017 17: 51 New
      0
      BY MY PROCESSOR 4004 RELEASE a billion pieces in our country in Russia these are all calculators in the world so sho uzbagoytes
  2. Fedya2017
    Fedya2017 21 October 2017 18: 27 New
    +5
    Praise themselves ... Chubais gave a great offspring. The heirs continue his work - they promise, make excuses and demand more money ...
    1. The brightest
      The brightest 22 October 2017 06: 06 New
      +3
      nothing to do with it.
    2. Kent0001
      Kent0001 27 October 2017 15: 12 New
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      Class !!! For a long time here they did not remember the red-haired Tolik with his intrigues and cuts. lol
  3. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 21 October 2017 18: 27 New
    +4
    Siemens at one time began to produce mobile phones. This is the only thing that has remained focused on the industrial segment of production. It is difficult to maintain quality with quantity at a low price.
  4. Victor Zubkov
    Victor Zubkov 22 October 2017 10: 00 New
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    http://www.cnews.ru/news/top/2016-08-24_na_angstr
    eme_proshli_obyski_po_delu_o_krazhe
  5. KYM7KII
    KYM7KII 22 October 2017 14: 38 New
    +1
    Resanta and Interskol, as a builder, I often see them (even benzo products would be produced by saws, generators, trimmers, etc., but here foreigners are not competing) and the rest of the goods turnover between the countries that they must support unfortunately we are sending oil and gas, but we get all kinds of electronic garbage, but I hope it will recover soon
    1. Mononef
      Mononef 22 October 2017 15: 09 New
      0
      And what Izh-Masha trimmers do not like?
    2. raw174
      raw174 23 October 2017 07: 36 New
      +5
      Quote: KYM7KII
      resanta and interskol

      I have a Resanta welder, and a percussion drill, screwdriver and grinder - interskol, only I take these brands, they are not demolished! For several years they do not break, under intense loads, a crusher (grain grinder) - a farmer, a washing machine - Atlant (almost ours)))), a refrigerator and a freezer - POSIS, a gas stove - hephaestus (also Belarusians) ... Yes, I have all the household domestic and Belarusian! There are no complaints, everything works well.
      PS I go to Prior, for the fourth year (about 100 thousand km.) Patriot on the board)))
      1. MKPU-115
        MKPU-115 24 October 2017 00: 02 New
        +3
        "and an impact drill, screwdriver and grinder are interskol," - this is ALL made in China.
        “I have been driving Priory for the fourth year now” - 60% of China components.
        1. raw174
          raw174 24 October 2017 06: 39 New
          +3
          Quote: MKPU-115
          "and an impact drill, screwdriver and grinder are interskol," - this is ALL made in China.

          From Wikipedia: "In 2002, in Bykovo, the Moscow Region, was built its own full-cycle plant for the production of power tools (Bykovsky Power Tool Plant, BEZ)."
          Where is your information on China? Yes, there is a joint production with China, since 2009, but also with Italians ...
          Quote: MKPU-115
          “I have been driving Priory for the fourth year now” - 60% of China components.

          What exactly? plastic and buttons? Still, the main thing in the car is the Body, engine and transmission ... Are they Chinese? I know Chinese engines (a relative of Lifan had one), 60 t.km. and that's it, a Chinese man fell down ...
  6. KYM7KII
    KYM7KII 22 October 2017 15: 01 New
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    Quote: screw cutter
    In this case, have you seen a lot of electronic products on the shelves of America? There ALL is Chinese.

    from famous brands (this is all good there and it’s done here, I agree, but it’s licensed, but there’s also a fake of all this) I’ll produce a matrix for various brands, I received an order for 100 matrices of a certain device, and I don’t need to reprogram the line to produce 500
  7. Svarozhich
    Svarozhich 22 October 2017 16: 09 New
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    Everything is very simple, but absolutely incorrigible due to persistent money-grubbing. I worked in this particular industry, I have a number of author's copyright certificates, articles with a signature stamp in scientific journals, and I fully felt the sudden change in the situation in my industry after the arrival of the Goba-Yeltsins. “Have you done better than the Japanese and the USA? - Now we will buy from them, but we don’t need it ...” People left, worked completely without pay, living on the pension of their parents ... they switched from high-tech developments to consumer goods ... the first in The USSR made trinkets with super-bright LEDs, which they just did not try to do to preserve the team and technological base ... made ultra-thin, transparent LSI and much more .... we were told silently - YOU ARE NOT NEEDED! Then people ran away, equipment for scrap metal, buildings for the sale of furniture ... something remained, but the crumbs from the past, whole fundamental technological chains were lost. Those who wanted to snatch a little more broke into the manual ... as my boss told me, "Send the boxes with frames, and in place we will collect a team of collectors as if it was commissioning." Another high boss spoke on the category “G” devices - “there are many fools in the world - they will buy everything” ... Only money from the defense industry can support the state of this industry as in an intensive care unit. Do not have our electronics in stores? She will not be! It's all about competition with China. In the beginning, our market was killed through Cherkizony, where prices were so small for consumer electronics that it was simply impossible for domestic enterprises to compete with them without paying a dime to their employees ... now successful businessmen of the Russian Post deliver free of charge for the buyer and without customs duties goods from Chinese Alik, etc. sites, and for domestic manufacturers annually increase tariffs for the delivery of goods. Suppose a LED bulb in Russia was made for 40 rubles and in China for 40 rubles and I want to buy it in Russia - the cost of shipping this bulb in Russia will be at least four times its cost, and will be brought from China for free! Narrow-corporate interests and money-grubbing do not create competitive conditions for domestic producers, and the Chinese are introducing high-performance equipment and technologies with the proceeds that reduce the cost of products while improving their quality and assortment. The train left - resuscitation will not help, and our destiny, without the protection of the domestic manufacturer, is slowly degrading the defense ... The Chinese have been thinking for millennia, they will wait ...
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  9. raw174
    raw174 23 October 2017 07: 41 New
    +2
    This is all bullshit! Here is the NANO SCOOTER from Chubais - this is a breakthrough in Russian engineering! To hell with bullshit from China, take RUSSIAN! Give the nano a scooter to the masses! This is the future!
    1. purple
      purple 26 October 2017 07: 36 New
      0
      And then Chubais? He has nothing to do with Scooter.
      1. raw174
        raw174 26 October 2017 08: 53 New
        +2
        Quote: purple
        And then Chubais? He has nothing to do with Scooter.

        it was sarcasm, and Chubais presented it, his office is the brainchild. Rusnano! Nanoscooter at the price of a good car (600 thousand))))
  10. ermolenkomb
    ermolenkomb 23 October 2017 11: 44 New
    +3
    In Russia it is very difficult to work for a large series of something, if small enterprises can afford some tricks with salaries, taxes, a large enterprise is no longer there. And taxation at the moment is such that you need to pay 46-48 kopecks of taxes per ruble of salary, this is the level of taxation of developed countries that are not developing at all. Well, various checks and so on, no matter how it is said to support their production upstairs, to fight corruption, levies, everything happens the other way around, taxes increase, various inspection structures become impudent and fatten (moreover, 99% of the claims are aimed at knocking out a bribe) . In such conditions, no development is possible in my opinion, there are too many for every kind of working ridges ... There is another pricing and its own “roof” in the defense industry, and accordingly it does not know many problems of the mass sector
    1. Svarozhich
      Svarozhich 23 October 2017 13: 03 New
      +2
      You are absolutely right! One enterprise in the electronics industry, where I worked, having entered into several profitable contracts, including with large foreign buyers, began to float out of the pit of lack of money. And then, all of a sudden, inspectors flocked from all sides. However, our chief accountant was cunning and gathered a large team of experienced workers, they certified the enterprise according to the management system, etc. The cabinets were in perfect order, rows with primary documents and other reports ... and the apogee of the absurdity of inspections was the moment that I personally observed when those from different bodies accumulated in a place designated for inspectors and wanted to immediately check folders with the same documents, and our chief accountant routinely said, “So, you’ll check in the order of the live queue. Drink coffee, cookies for now ...” Well, how so ?! With us, when everyone is on the verge or already with external management, they sell equipment and rent out space, and this is a profitable enterprise! Probably steal !!!
    2. Tatyana Pershina
      Tatyana Pershina April 4 2019 13: 48 New
      0
      In the 90s in Zelenograd, Kasyanov or Aksyonenko (I don’t remember exactly who) declared: “We don’t need our own electronics. We will need it - we’ll buy it” and blocked the state. financing. Go to the free market, they say. As if he didn’t know that the order portfolio was mined for years and sometimes by rivers of blood. And the backlogs in this industry were not bad ...
  11. Michael 314
    Michael 314 23 October 2017 21: 41 New
    +5
    As we all speak BEAUTIFULLY !!!!!!
    LORD !!!!! Take a look around and walk the streets !!!! WE DO NOT EVERYTHING SO GOOD IN LIFE !!!!!!
    Get out of the overseas carriage !!!!!
    In our country there is NOTHING OF YOURSELF !!!!!!
    WE WILL NEVER LIVE LIVING N O R M A L N O !!!!!
    In addition to the defense industry, we are not doing anything !!!
    Go to the store and see how ordinary people buy sausages for 36 rubles !!!
    And what are we wearing ???? I will list --- socks (china), underpants (china) T-shirt (china), pants (china) jacket, jacket (china) hat (china), phones, t
    Elevators, etc. (China), cars RUSSIAN (CHINA !!!!!!!))
    And uncles RIDE IN LIMOUSINES AND THEM ALL IS GOOD !!!!!!!
    NO !!!! WAKE UP !!!!!
    Until we build factories !!!! AND FACTORIES !!!!! WE WILL NOT HAVE ANYTHING GOOD !!!!
    And I have not seen Russian electronics since 95 !!!! When served.
    P A Z O R SUCH A COUNTRY !!!!!
    Where there is everything that can be and the beggar people !!!!
    1. Antropos
      Antropos 27 October 2017 11: 17 New
      0
      What do you suggest?
  12. Ivan Nambarvan
    Ivan Nambarvan 24 October 2017 12: 39 New
    0
    We have nothing of our own, either in electronics or in all other industries, only because the leadership of our country disowned everything, and the new private leaders, after seizing and cutting the entire national-state, were all *** ***. All industries are morally obsolete. and they became energy-intensive only because they did not invest in their development and modernization, they just sucked out. As a result, we have that no one wants to invest money in the long term, everyone wants extra profits, because living in our great country confidence in the future, and conditions are created such that no one will take risks. And they are grabbing while grabbing. Like in any business, if you do not invest money and funds in it, it will come to an end. Therefore, all enterprises have collapsed and closed, and who still work somehow, they will face the same fate. And you can raise taxes on Chinese and foreign goods and on their purchase by means of free postal transfers as much as you like, the situation is from it cannot be changed in any way. Production as it was and will remain morally obsolete. And managers will continue to receive super-profits.
  13. jackomb
    jackomb 24 October 2017 17: 32 New
    0
    All this is understandable, but maybe you already have to turn to face the domestic consumer? After all, they can do the same, not worse, but much better than imported electronics, and most importantly in Russian. Yes, it’s time to already make the same PCs for us, in Russian and in domestic software, it’s enough to feed the West already.
  14. TOR2
    TOR2 24 October 2017 22: 07 New
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    Weak performance of the representative of "Roselectronics". We are going to restore something in the domestic sector of electronics. Yes, there is nothing to restore. In the USSR, there was no such thing as a household element base. There was a marriage in the civil sector, it was marriage, and you need to call a spade a spade. For example, a batch of microcircuits rejected by the military reception was sent not under the press, but to civilian production. Paid all this gouging on the state. level ordinary consumers. Many people remember the quality of the products. If, for example, “Samsung” is put in such conditions, then in a year it will simply disappear.
    The products that rushed to us in the 90s. overwhelmingly, it was on par with Soviet models, it only cost several times cheaper and was more reliable. Of course, copies were imported that significantly exceeded Soviet products, but they also cost completely indecent money.
  15. kig
    kig 27 October 2017 05: 33 New
    +1
    I read the comments, though briefly, and realized that they mostly complained about the lack of domestic consumer electronics. This is understandable, it immediately catches the eye. So we are not alone! The laptop I am currently using is purchased in Seattle. A tag is stuck on the bottom, figs off, designed by Toshiba, made in China. And if you happen to get into an American electronics store, then take a closer look where it comes from. The same thing in Europe. The Germans told me, almost complaining that of the large household appliances, only Miele remained purely German, but there the price tag was several times higher. So everyone can choose what they like. We probably have 99.99% of families using Samsung and LG, so what? Should this worry us, especially since it is mainly going to be with us? The outrage should be caused by the fact that some wise men guessed, for example, to put German engines on Russian ships. Or in the press, no, no, and it will flash that it would be necessary to somehow reduce the percentage of foreign components in military electronics. There is no end here! Well, they can’t make cheap and reliable consumer electronics with us, they never could, and probably never can. Competition is called. They will be able - honor and praise, they will not - in FIG. We survive. But what is being done in the defense industry? There, of course, there is also a kind of competition, but it is very peculiar and undercover, which is not visible to us. One can only hope that they will cope with the problems.
    1. ermolenkomb
      ermolenkomb 1 November 2017 07: 29 New
      +1
      The fact of the matter is that, in principle, we can do everything ourselves, but the elite has no economic incentive to organize everything here, they just have enough pipes and cut money for nanotechnology, for which no one is responsible for the cost-effectiveness. And in order to do everything with us, we need to invest, buy production, technology, change the structure of regulatory bodies, the structure of taxation, how many drones need to be kicked in the ass ...
    2. Svarozhich
      Svarozhich 3 November 2017 16: 12 New
      +1
      "Well, they can’t make cheap and reliable consumer electronics with us, they never could, and probably never can." You are both right and wrong at the same time! We can do it ourselves have copyright certificates on this subject ... more precisely, we could. There are a number of conditions for Russian high-quality and competitive electronics to appear. Firstly, it is necessary to force the suppliers of raw materials to invest the lion's share of the profit not “on the gluttony of the soul” and “increasing the diameter of the pipe”, but on the processing of the supplied raw materials ... round timber, crude oil, gas, grain ... should be sold only in the form of deep products processing of petrochemicals, furniture panels, dried lumber, flour and so on. The winning reports on how much grain, gas and barrels of oil were sold, I get about the following association - how many donated blood and organs were sold abroad ... The only bright spot in this regard is Sibur, but its volume is a drop in the bucket. We recently bought a CO2 Chinese laser ... to make it our enterprises absolutely without problems ... the laser tube itself is the most difficult, but it is no more complicated than the radio tubes produced at that time by ORZEP Malyutka, but the enterprise completely donated its equipment for scrap renting out like a quilt ... it's just an example ... it's like a digression. If we return to electronics, then there must be an effective infrastructure from the production of technological equipment to very clean materials and gases. It will not pull a private company even investing huge money. ... Hmm, I still have to write very much about many aspects of this topic ... I will end with a simple task. Given: two products of the same quality, for example, LED bulbs, are sold at the same price in Russia and China, the delivery time from China is a month, and from Russia a week. The cost of delivery by Russian mail to Russia and China is five times the cost of the light bulb itself, and from China to Russia it is free (subsidized by the state of China). Where more buyers from Russia will buy bulbs? In Russia or in China? In which country will they invest more in increasing the assortment, quality and consumer properties of bulbs, and in which country will the production of LED bulbs cease and resale of others will begin?
  16. Old military officer
    Old military officer 27 October 2017 19: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: Michael 314


    P A Z O R SUCH A COUNTRY !!!!!
    Where there is everything that can be and the beggar people !!!!

    Dear Mikhail, you have confused the country and the state, i.e. social order happens. But recently, someone, some young lady needed lace panties, remember this and what came of it? By the way, I do not justify these very authorities, by the way, and the previous ones, too, since I remember these times very well. Some people did not consider themselves human unless they had jeans. There is such a layer and quite extensive, which they do not see beyond cowards and grubs. And now the question is, who benefits from a free market? Think about it, please. And look in the encyclopedia, preferably TSB, what are compradors and then, it is possible, you will understand what's what. I wish you success in this matter.