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It will be extremely difficult to restore the military potential of Kaliningrad

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The emergence of an increasing number of NATO troops directly at the borders of Russia - close to the Kaliningrad region - seems to be starting a reciprocal military reaction from Moscow. There are more and more signals about the possible strengthening of the Kaliningrad group. However, to recreate what Russia itself has destroyed for decades will be a tremendous effort.


It will be extremely difficult to restore the military potential of Kaliningrad


For many years, NATO generals were shouting about the “militarization of Kaliningrad,” while they themselves pulled the US armored division into the neighboring provinces of Poland.

Approximately six months before our Zapad-2017 exercises in Lithuania and Poland, the public was once again frightened by the myths about the “militarization of the Kaliningrad region”. Since the beginning of the year, the Minister of Defense of Poland, Anthony Matserevich, has repeatedly expressed fears about sending warships to the Kaliningrad region, claiming that this changes the balance of power in the region. A flurry of accusations caused Moscow’s decision to deploy in the area of ​​the Iskander missile.

The official report on the threats to the national security of Lithuania this year, submitted that Russia seeks to dominate the region and strengthens military groups. Lithuanian President Dalia Grybauskaite scared her EU allies that missiles from near Kaliningrad "can reach Lisbon."

It was against the backdrop of hysteria about the West-2017 exercises, the Russian Defense Ministry noted that the 2nd US armored brigade deployed in Poland. The military equipment of the 3rd American remains there in the republics of the Baltic states. tank brigades, and these are 87 Abrams tanks, heavy self-propelled howitzers M109 Paladin, 144 BMD "Bradley" and about a hundred more units of vehicles. Such data were cited by the official representative of the Ministry of Defense Igor Konashenkov.

“Contrary to the statements of NATO and the United States about the“ insignificance ”of troops being tightened to the Russian borders, the brigade was already de facto deployed, but the mechanized division of the US Armed Forces, where you can transfer personnel from the nearest US base in Europe (Ramstein, FRG) in two hours” , - said Konashenkov, who called "the hysteria of the Balts and the Poles about the" Russian threat "fraudulently played by the information curtain of the Pentagon operation.

In fact, the Russian forces in the region are still several times, if not by an order of magnitude inferior in numbers and combat capabilities, because they were here at the beginning of the 1990s. So, in the 1991, the Baltic Fleet had 32 submarines, and now there are only two left. As the newspaper VIEW, the number of combat aircraft has decreased by an order. In 1990, 11-th Guards Army of 90 thousand people was disbanded. By 2010, the number of ground forces of the Kaliningrad defensive area was only 10,5 thousand troops, plus 1,1 thousand - from the marines.

In 2008, Russia withdrew almost the entire tank force from the region - almost 900 units. Then, observers noted that this step demonstrates the lack of aggressive plans for Moscow in relation to the neighboring countries.
According to the source of the newspaper VIEW at the Baltic Fleet, at the very beginning of 2000, the ratio of Russian forces concentrated near Kaliningrad to NATO forces around the region was 1 to 21 in favor of NATO. In the middle of 2000's, this ratio became 1 to 32 and increased even more in the following years.

All this time, in NATO, in Poland and the Baltic countries, they hypocritically continued to declare the “militarization of Kaliningrad”.

How navy cut air fleet

Moreover, arms reductions were often carried out thoughtlessly, with all their possible need, and their procedure was dictated by narrow departmental interests. As the VZGLYAD newspaper reminded a high-ranking general who had previously had relation to the Baltic command fleet (BF), at the beginning of zero, organizational and staffing events (OSH, that is, reductions) took place every four to six months, and each time the personnel "bit off nobly."

“Once at the BF military council, it was decided whether to deregister the ship Passat, which by that time, instead of the 25 years it had put, was leaving all 27, but it looks good,” the general said. - In the end, they decided to extend his operation for another year, although it was clear that in a year he would still be allowed on scrap metal. And instead, it was decided to disband the equal in number crew of the “Passat” personnel of other parts. In particular, they reduced the Su-24 squadron at the Chernyakhovsk airfield - in the 4-th Guards Red Banner Novgorod-Klaipeda Separate Storm Aviation Regiment. This was done because sailors prevailed in the military council, who wanted to leave ships as part of the fleet, at least for a short time, even to the detriment of the fleet’s combat capabilities. As a result, the fleet was left without the most important attack aircraft, which could serve until now (the rest of the resource from them was 20 years), and the Passat was soon written off anyway. ”

The short-sightedness of the naval command, according to the source, explains the dissolution of the 11-th Guards Army. She, too, in 1990, fell under the command of the Baltic Fleet command and became known as "Land Forces and Coastal Forces of the Baltic Fleet" - and it was she who was reduced primarily for the sake of preserving the naval personnel.

Two air bases - Chkalovsk and Chernyakhovsk

And now, it seems that the military-political leadership of the country was seriously thinking about increasing the combat effectiveness of the troops located in the Kaliningrad region. There are regular reports of new aircraft entering the sea Aviation Baltic Fleet. In addition, last week it became known about the plans of the Ministry of Defense to further strengthen the air component of the BF - by creating two new aviation regiments. True, these data are still unofficial. Shelves can be accommodated at Chkalovsk airfield after its reconstruction and in Chernyakhovsk, where fighter aircraft are temporarily located.

We had to think before, the general is indignant, because it will be very difficult to restore the combat potential of the region: there are no military pilots, no new airplanes either, Lithuania will not miss new tanks, so you have to take them by sea from Ust-Luga (Leningrad region) by sea.

“It has long been no personnel, and there is simply no place to take it, since there is only one flight school left in the country,” the source said, adding that now in general the Russian Air Force has “a huge shortage of flight personnel.” The general believes that the regiments will be recreated only on paper and "with all the desire to make them combat-ready in the foreseeable future, it will be impossible."

On more extensive measures of reinforcement - the re-creation of the 11 Army or the transfer of armored vehicles to Kaliningrad - is out of the question.

Kaliningrad "naturally ringed"

Deputy head of the Kaliningrad branch of the EP, State Duma deputy of the VI convocation, special forces veteran Andrei Kolesnik considers the appearance of Western armored vehicles along the borders of the region a strong irritant, including for ordinary residents of the region.

“If something happens, these tanks will burn and there will be nothing left of them. But why all these provocations? The Kaliningrad region is naturally taken in a ring, ”Kolesnik told LOOK to the newspaper.



According to him, Poland and Lithuania do not understand that they are turning themselves into a target, agreeing to become a springboard for NATO troops. “In 1941, too, it was said that there would be no war. We have a trained people. These things must be treated with extreme caution, especially in this turbulent period. What do the leaders of these countries think when they make such decisions? ”Kolesnik wonders.

He recalled a recent message from the Vesti TV channel that in the Poznan region a Russian driver had caught up with a convoy from the 100 BMD Bradley order, which was going from Germany to Poland, to Gdansk. “Our motorists rode nearby and watched the scene. Kaliningraders reacted very nervously. All this causes nervousness, "says Kolesnik and calls for" not to succumb to provocations. "

30 kilometers to the Russian border

In addition to the emergence of new air regiments, another measure could be the strengthening of their Iskander grouping. As Vladimir Shamanov, head of the State Duma’s defense committee, said the other day, commenting on the deployment of a US armored division in neighboring Poland, “we will not look at this carelessly, we will definitely take retaliatory measures”. He did not rule out the deployment of additional military units in the western direction.

In Washington, the threat of Shamanov reacted painfully. As US State Department spokesman Admiral John Kirby noted, such steps by Moscow destabilize security in Europe. According to him, no development on the continent requires a “such military response.”

Meanwhile, in the end, American soldiers were already in 30 kilometers from the border of the Kaliningrad region. At the end of last week, American military equipment arrived in the Polish city of Elblag. As stated by the Chief of Staff of the multinational division North-East, US Brigadier-General Adam Jocks, "their presence here is evidence of the desire to defend Europe and strengthen NATO in Europe."
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  1. Finches
    Finches 23 October 2017 05: 57 New
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    Everything is fine - difficult, does not mean impossible! After the annexation of Crimea, as it is now fashionable to say, Russia sent a message to its Western "partners" - that everything is serious, unilaterally suspending the agreement with Lithuania, according to which it pledged to report on the deployment of weapons in the Kaliningrad region. Plus, it finalized the National Security Strategy - where the general line is clearly traced, that in 2020, the military infrastructure and the number of troops will be increased in the Crimea, the Arctic and Kaliningrad.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 23 October 2017 06: 08 New
      +4
      I agree with you. And we need to build logistics in addition to Lithuania. Ferries and aviation remain ..
      Quote: Finches
      Everything is fine - difficult, does not mean impossible! After the annexation of Crimea, as it is now fashionable to say, Russia sent a message to its Western "partners" - that everything is serious, unilaterally suspending the agreement with Lithuania, according to which it pledged to report on the deployment of weapons in the Kaliningrad region. Plus, it finalized the National Security Strategy - where the general line is clearly traced, that in 2020, the military infrastructure and the number of troops will be increased in the Crimea, the Arctic and Kaliningrad.
      1. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 23 October 2017 08: 15 New
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        However, to recreate what Russia itself has been destroying for decades will be a tremendous effort. - from article

        Planned treacherously themselves destroyed everything and everything, and now we will “confront” heroically “?! Well, isn't it absurd?
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 23 October 2017 13: 06 New
          14
          Quote: vladimirZ
          Planned treacherously themselves destroyed everything and everyone,

          Who is responsible for this? Which of the admirals was responsible for the "surrender of combat-ready ships of the same Pacific Fleet for scrap." Which of the generals was responsible for the sale of the arsenals of the aircraft. Which politician was responsible for the actual "surrender" of the group of forces in Eastern Europe?
          Quote: vladimirZ
          Well, isn't it absurd?

          Sheer! How can one not recall Comrade? Stalin?
    2. basmach
      basmach 23 October 2017 09: 56 New
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      Damn, amateur reasoning. And this despite the fact that you are a colonel in the school. You can imagine how much time is needed to prepare the flight crew. After school, this is the take-off-landing level. They still have to cook and cook. And how many technical staff is needed. Aircraft alone do not fly. The calculation for preparation is SD (airplane technician) AO, REO, AB, PNK, OK. In squadron 3 calculation, not counting engineers Plus specialists OBATO, OBS RTO. Plus the "mine" (TEC). And these are far from green lieutenants. We have the whole issue barely enough to form enough 2 regiment. And besides Kaliningrad, there is a Far East, where the situation is complete. In the same Ussuriysk there was the headquarters of the army (combined arms), the “Romanian” division (combined arms) of the 2 DShB, the headquarters of the air division (and 2 regiment-Nomandia-Niemen (Galenki) and our Orshansky (Vozdvizhenka + regiment TB TB-22M2 / Berlin) I'm not talking about the neighborhood. Naval aviation had its own regiments. I already printed a photo of Vozdvizhenka. From the aerodrome No. ")) strip) there are just a few flaws (as from the garrison), and from everything else too. And people like you can only settle down. And to restore to a minimum level, there is neither equipment, nor personnel, nor capabilities ( since the entire infrastructure was also completely killed.) Here recently they showed about the modernization of the 3 ammunition depot. They stole almost 51 million for the construction of new facilities, so far everything is at the level of foundations and layout of sites. There is only no money, no facilities.
      1. Finches
        Finches 23 October 2017 11: 00 New
        +4
        What do you suggest - to kill oneself? Destroyed - yes, sprinkle your head with ash? The main thing was understood and started to work in the opposite direction - restoration! And it has always been like that - after brilliant victories in 1812-15, rest on our laurels and defeat in the Crimean company! Immediately there are reforms, though half-completed, but as for the army, Milyutin’s quite effective reforms and a clear victory in the Russo-Turkish war! Again, the "period of stagnation" and the defeat in the Russo-Japanese ..., thank God it’s possible to do a lot and the First World Russian Army is quite prepared ... The rearmament of the army and organization in the 30s of the twentieth century, not completed before WWII and two the hardest years ... That is, did you see something new? This is our historical reality, unfortunately - that’s why it makes me happy that we stopped stopping in time to destroy and started to do something! You suggest what? Eternally Russian "to the bottom and then"! That is, you offer the same thing! And you just need not to interfere and do your job - as intended! hi
        1. basmach
          basmach 23 October 2017 12: 47 New
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          Re-equipment, equipping and, most importantly, maintaining the army at any time is impossible without a developed agricultural industry and human resources. Any military products cannot exist without a civilian component. You can take any program and write anything you like, but without the availability of resources and trained personnel, these are Anderson's tales. releasing 40 aircraft per year, we still cannot rearm even the minimum that we have. In 90, our regiment from Su-17m2 to M4 was re-equipped immediately (although not new). In 91, neighboring Berlin surrendered its Tu-16 and, after 4 a month of retraining, the entire regiment was on Tu-22m2 / 3. This is what rearmament is.
          At my faculty Av in 90 there were almost 200 graduates, the next year almost 300, and there were a shortage of gunsmiths and Punk in the regiments (both engineers and technicians). At 3 squadron, one PNK (I was the second, although I was listed in Tech). And the link was transferred to us, and the noise throughout the country.
          1. Finches
            Finches 23 October 2017 12: 58 New
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            I won’t argue here! Therefore, I often emphasize that God grant us 10 years or less of political and economic stability, otherwise we will not see good luck! Until 2020, the rearmament program has been funded and is working, the State has allocated as much as 20 trillion. rubles for the rearmament of the army. ... To rectify this situation, the government dumped another 3 trillion. rubles for the modernization of the military-industrial complex - for the USSR, this is a drop in the ocean, and even that, I would not say, but for Russia in general a lot of money! And they are not enough to reach a high level of equipment with modern weapons comparable to the United States and even (for the time being for the money) with China! With a good life, they could and should have been put into the national economy, social programs ... but now it’s not about fat. However, in any case: the design bureaus work, the military-industrial complex is loaded ... is already a plus!
            1. Grandfather
              Grandfather 23 October 2017 13: 39 New
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              Quote: Finches
              Until 2020, the rearmament program has been funded and is working, the State has allocated as much as 20 trillion. rubles for the rearmament of the army.

              it’s already settled in my pockets ... until the execution is returned, they will probably steal in the Moscow Region as everywhere ...
              1. Sergey956
                Sergey956 23 October 2017 17: 41 New
                +1
                I suppose that the deputies will not return the execution to embezzlers. No way! For this reason, out of 20 trillion percent, 40 will settle in different pockets. So there will be a rearmament.
            2. vladimirZ
              vladimirZ 23 October 2017 13: 44 New
              +5
              However, in any case: the design bureaus work, the military-industrial complex is loaded ... is already a plus! - Zyablitsov

              Yes, they can work, and give something out there "to the mountain", but what's the use of this with the general collapse of industry and the real economy, with the omnipotence of the 5th column of traitors working for the USA?
              Watch once again the above video of military analyst General Leonid Ivashov "You can’t hope for Shoigu."
              Few? So here is another video of financial and economic analyst Valentin Katasonov, "Russia - the Homeland of temporary residence ?!"

              The system of government, the socio-economic formation must be changed in order to remove the comprador oligarchic class from government. Otherwise, do not protect Russia!
              1. Finches
                Finches 23 October 2017 14: 51 New
                +2
                The change of socio-economic formation, this is a revolution - "to the bottom and then", we don’t need it now! The comprador oligarchic class will probably leave, only the Gauleiter of NATO will take its place ... Let us evolve without any special shocks, without provoking our foreign "friends" to take active action, until we are ready to repulse military aggression to the end!
                1. Romey
                  Romey 23 October 2017 15: 37 New
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                  Unfortunately, under capitalism, evolution is possible only if there is a nationally oriented bourgeoisie, whose well-being and interests are inside the country. In the Russian Federation, it is absent, there are exceptions in the field of engineering, but it is rather an average business, which we always suffer in the first place. The first violin is played by the raw oligarchy and the oligarch officials of the leading, supposedly state-owned corporations, whose interests and finances are located there. They especially do not risk anything, and live on the principle: "After us, at least the flood." Therefore, alas, whether we want this or not, shocks are inevitable, with or without Western well-wishers.
                  1. Finches
                    Finches 23 October 2017 15: 59 New
                    +1
                    Not so prone to dramatize the situation! Personally, I’m not going to shake anyone, considering this a more destructive step for Russia than the presence of a raw oligarchy!
                    1. Romey
                      Romey 23 October 2017 16: 01 New
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                      Do not worry. wink They will do everything for us and. absolutely without our help.
                      1. Finches
                        Finches 23 October 2017 17: 56 New
                        +1
                        This is a possible option! Therefore, as a sovereign man, I really hope that the GDP took into account the lessons of history ... hi
    3. NordUral
      NordUral 24 October 2017 00: 17 New
      0
      It’s just necessary, that's the whole story.
      1. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 24 October 2017 07: 03 New
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        PS Additional information on the topic of the confrontation between Russia and the US-NATO, and the position of the top leadership of Russia to this confrontation. - Video "Why Doesn’t NATO Bother Putin?" with military analyst General Leonid Ivashev.
        An important topic under discussion of the American strategic doctrine of a quick-instant global strike on Russia is the modern “blitzkrieg”, and that we can counter it with our weakened “reforms” forces.
    4. 73bor
      73bor 25 October 2017 21: 35 New
      0
      I just remember what I said in 2001, quitting the ranks of the glorious Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, all right now we will collapse and after a few years we will restore! Maybe I'm a prophet?
  2. bald
    bald 23 October 2017 06: 02 New
    0
    All this is deplorable, but not without reliability. Well, for connivance of the past will have to work out.
    1. Dart
      Dart 23 October 2017 12: 19 New
      +3
      Our fathers, yes, have drunk democracy and the West. We restore. And to our children.
      1. bald
        bald 23 October 2017 12: 27 New
        +4
        Simply installation is always easier than dismantling the old, and cheaper for the money. But having such a territory in such a place as the Kaliningrad region and rudely disarming it is a betrayal.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 24 October 2017 00: 20 New
          +3
          But from the 80s, betrayal has not stopped, if not earlier.
      2. Galleon
        Galleon 23 October 2017 17: 00 New
        +7
        Yes, not our fathers !! Komsomol workers and party secretaries — that’s who rebuilt and remodeled. Neither our fathers, nor we, gathered here, did not revel in the West: they served and worked.
  3. jonht
    jonht 23 October 2017 06: 36 New
    +3
    Everything can be fixed, but it seems to me that the leadership understood this much earlier and therefore rewrote the rules for using nuclear weapons by us .... Our people will not fight according to the NATO rules, we don’t have such an opportunity, and I hope the leadership has enough to give an order to use nuclear weapons.
    1. andrewkor
      andrewkor 23 October 2017 08: 09 New
      +5
      Now, here you are right, only the Russian tactical nuclear weapons and the likelihood of its use by the aggressor is a deterrent against it. Consequently, Plan B is used - internal decomposition more liberal.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 24 October 2017 00: 20 New
      +1
      The question of will and desire to defend the interests of the country is the main question.
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 23 October 2017 06: 38 New
    +4
    The title of the article speaks of its pessimism. The author, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, remembers Kaliningrad very well and takes measures.
    Kaliningrad region is naturally taken into the ring "

    Kaliningrad deputies should be preoccupied with separatist sentiments in the enclave, which are fueled from outside and, which is most disgusting, find support among some of the youth.
    1. venaya
      venaya 23 October 2017 08: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Kaliningrad deputies it would be worth taking care of the separatist sentiments in the enclave which are heated from outside and that the most disgusting find support among some of the youth.

      The reason for the separatist sentiments is not only that they are heated, as you said from the outside, for today they have been heated for a long time even from the inside, I would notice not only comments on the pages of VO, but often even among authors of articles on VO, as well not just one. And how did we all learn not to notice? I think that we need to be more attentive in this aspect, then in the future it will be possible to accumulate fewer problems, in all respects.
      1. Oleko
        Oleko 23 October 2017 16: 02 New
        +4
        Quote: venaya
        The reason for the separatist sentiments is not only that they are heated, as you said from the outside, for today they have been heated for a long time even from the inside, I would notice not only comments on the pages of VO, but often even among authors of articles on VO, as well not just one. And how we all learned not to notice

        I have been living in Baltiysk for 8 years. Wife generally since 1974. Enlighten, for God's sake, what kind of separatism is this, what kind of separation is the Kaliningrad region from the Russian Federation. Who is driving the blizzard? My wife came to Moscow last year, to her relatives, they “banged” on her - “you want to separate.” My wife’s eyes became like 2 five-ruble.
        I do not know who spreads rumors about the separation. At one time, Gorbachev offered Helmut Kohl (if I am not mistaken) to take the Kaliningrad Region. He refused. The amount of compensation is too high. Judge for yourself: I have here a piece of land, bought by me and cultivated, from my wife too. And suddenly a burgher is declared, who says that he had a house here. Shows documents 80 years ago. "Get away from here". that's for me. Well, what about him?
        1. venaya
          venaya 23 October 2017 16: 23 New
          +3
          Quote: Oleko
          Enlighten, for God's sake, what kind of separatism is this, what kind of separation is this from the Kaliningrad region from the Russian Federation. Who is driving the blizzard?

          As I agree with you, honestly. But here they come from leisure, from Kaliningrad my friends and say that Kaliningrad is a kind of Köninsberg, built as if by the Germans. Although I know that the city was built by the king of Bohemia (concurrently the emperor of the "Holy Roman Empire") even at a time when no such "Germans" existed at all, because there lived for many millennia Rus (Rusich) words and they caught in Russian, because there was nearby and the sacred capital of all Rus Arkona. Then, at that time, even such a crooked (it’s not clear what it means) concept like “Europe” did not exist, because people were with brains back then. This is now the majority of brains on one side, crap to the fullest. But who and how drives this blizzard, so I personally address this question to you, you should know better where the "wind" is from. No one here can explain to me from what kind of hangover this city you see was founded, there is no news where the "Germans" came from.
          1. Romey
            Romey 23 October 2017 19: 41 New
            +2
            About history, probably not quite so ... The fortress was really founded by a Slav - Czech king Przemysl 2 Ottokar, who arrived with the Teutonic Order for a holy war with pagan Prussians at the invitation of another Slav - vassal of the Polish king Prince Konrad Mazowiecki. However, the thing is that the Order of the Blessed Virgin Mary really consisted of German knights with a small number of adventurer volunteers from other Christian countries. The urban population was formed from German colonists. Now about the Prussians. Prussians, the people of the Baltic group, akin to Lithuanians and Latvians. Of course, in the first few years of the German invasion, they were really halved, but nevertheless, the Prussian language was alive until the middle of the 17th century, and place names survived until 1938, when the Nazis conducted its ariization. In addition, much indicates that the Lithuanians living on the territory of East Prussia were more likely not Lithuanians, namely Prussians. However, this is not the main thing, the main thing is that an impressive part of the warlike Prussian nobility and not only moved to Zhmud and really strengthened Lithuania, which partially connected with the success of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania in the 14th century. In general, the Slavs are not ethnically related to Prussians, but nevertheless the history of Prussia and Rus-Russia was sometimes intertwined ...
          2. Oleko
            Oleko 24 October 2017 00: 36 New
            +1
            Quote: venaya
            As I agree with you, honestly. But here they come from leisure, from Kaliningrad my friends and say that Kaliningrad is a kind of Köninsberg, built as if by the Germans. Although I know that the city was built by the king of Bohemia (concurrently the emperor of the "Holy Roman Empire") even at a time when no such "Germans" existed at all, because there lived for many millennia Rus (Rusich) words and they caught in Russian, because there was nearby and the sacred capital of all Rus Arkona. Then, at that time, even such a crooked (it’s not clear what it means) concept like “Europe” did not exist, because people were with brains back then. This is now the majority of brains on one side, crap to the fullest. But who and how drives this blizzard, so I personally address this question to you, you should know better where the "wind" is from. No one here can explain to me what kind of hangover this city is. You see, the Germans founded.

            About those who "drives the blizzard." As reported in the Kaliningrad.ru news feed, these were 4 guys who signed in networks for the entire region. Two of them were arrested by the FSB for storing ammunition. I don’t know about the rest. There is another "ideologist" - Hoffmann. I don’t know what’s going on in Koenig, but in Baltiysk there were no rallies, no flash mobs, no signatures collection. (My wife corrected me: the idea of ​​KO joining Germany was put forward by Yeltsin, not Gorbachev)
        2. Romey
          Romey 23 October 2017 16: 26 New
          +2
          Quote: Oleko
          And suddenly a burgher is declared, who says that he had a house here. Shows documents 80 years ago. "Get away from here". that's for me. Well, what about him?

          At the beginning of zero, I had a funny conversation at the checkpoint with a German grandfather. As a joke, I asked, they say, he would not want the region to return to Germany. He waved his hands in horror: "Nine, Nine! Vir Haben Kayn Geld!" It really hurts a lot of money to put everything in order according to German standards. One GDR was enough to their ears. That was the logic of this grandfather - a native of Insterburg (Chernyakhovsk).
    2. thinker
      thinker 23 October 2017 08: 55 New
      0
      The title of the article speaks of its pessimism.

      And such an eloquent photo of an abandoned hangar. Reality, as always, is somewhere in between.
      Voronezh-DM in the village of Pionersky Kaliningrad region.
      1. Romey
        Romey 23 October 2017 15: 50 New
        +4
        Separatist sentiment? My family has been living here for 25 years, but in everyday life I haven’t met such a word at all. Even in the 90s. But I remember that basically these conversations were artificially exaggerated by journalists and politicians. Moreover, purely local. So that the problem is far-fetched and the region will go somewhere, only in case of any internal Russian problems at the political level. With regards to military infrastructure, this is really a problem. Literally before our eyes, military towns and warehouses disappeared. And not only in the 90s, when the bulk of the cuts took place. Just near my house, literally 4 years ago, the concrete hangars of the former RAV warehouses were demolished, although they generally did not bother anyone in the forest. There were rumors that the Yankees saw them from satellites and ordered to destroy according to some kind of agreement there, away from sin, but ours naturally took under the hood. What remains sad is also, to build a new one will be cheaper than to repair the old. But what barracks were ...
      2. turbris
        turbris 23 October 2017 20: 33 New
        0
        Yes, you know about the abandoned hangar, too, everything is ambiguous, modern planes do not fit into it, stupidly in geometric dimensions. Why is it built without taking into account promising samples - it is not clear. Well, the fact that most komenty compare what was in the USSR with what is in Russia is at least not correct, the weight categories are different, they forget about it.
        1. Romey
          Romey 23 October 2017 21: 00 New
          +2
          Yes, it’s not the hangar ... More precisely, not one hangar. Chip in a bombed air base along with all the infrastructure in the village. South near Koenig. And again, the earth is full of rumors. It was decided in Sovetsk to place the formed division, as if according to the documents everything is there: barracks, military training centers, technical positions, etc. But in reality it’s not that it is completely gone, but almost no. It seems that as a result of the flight debriefing, a bunch of rear crews also flew from the post of Komflot, although it seems like they are not at work: everything turned sour there back in the late 90s.
          1. Oleko
            Oleko 23 October 2017 23: 59 New
            +4
            Quote: romey
            It seems that as a result of the flight debriefing, a bunch of rear crews also flew from the post of Komflot, although it seems like they are not at work:

            Vice-Admiral Kravchuk “flew” from the post of commander of the Baltic Fleet. The fleet was alerted. The fleet remained at the place of deployment. Could not gather officers. They say that Shoigu carried Kravchuk obscenities. Fifty fleet officers were dismissed (shortages in canteens, an uninhabited cottage town for families of military sailors, according to Kravchuk’s report, housewarming one by one). Kravchuk made friends with the local criminal authority, the "amber king" Vitka Ballet (Victor Bogdan), often stayed at his house. Commanders of coastal units subordinate to Kravchuk wrote out permanent passes on the territory of the units for the "black diggers" of the Ballet. When the brother of Bogdan "stole" 50 tons of diesel fuel, Kravchuk "otmazatsya" him from the investigation. Kravchuk did not come to the board of the Moscow Region, citing his health, but appealed to the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation for reinstatement. The restoration was refused. (“With the combat readiness of the fleet that was under Kravchuk, the Kaliningrad region would cease to exist, in the event of a NATO attack” - from the news feed)
            Now about the "trembling knees" among ordinary residents. From my home to the BF underground command post, 400 meters or less. If any “byak” arrives, then this will stop my life. Therefore, I do not consider neither hybrid, nor sluggish and other wars and do not bother my head. And according to many acquaintances, I did not notice the tooth fraction from fear. There are more important things to do than stupid meditation "I will live - I will not live" I HAVE THE LAW. DIXI.
            1. Romey
              Romey 24 October 2017 08: 49 New
              +1
              Quote: Oleko
              Quote: romey
              It seems that as a result of the flight debriefing, a bunch of rear crews also flew from the post of Komflot, although it seems like they are not at work:

              Kravchuk made friends with the local criminal authority, the "amber king" Vitka Ballet (Victor Bogdan), often stayed at his house. Commanders of coastal units subordinate to Kravchuk wrote out permanent passes on the territory of the units for the "black diggers" of the Ballet. When the brother of Bogdan "stole" 90 tons of diesel fuel, Kravchuk "otmazatsya" him from the investigation. Kravchuk did not come to the board of the Moscow Region, citing his health, but appealed to the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation for reinstatement. The restoration was refused. (“With the combat readiness of the fleet that was under Kravchuk, the Kaliningrad region would cease to exist, in the event of a NATO attack” - from the news feed)

              What time! Yes, it’s not a matter of duty, but it smells like a military tribunal up to the highest measure ... You see little that has changed from the 90s, the beginning of zero. To us in the FPS, then the crime did not just roll up, but broke down to have its own personal window at the border. What they didn’t do, and huge bribes promised, and our universities pushed their children by hook or by crook in universities, and then we determined what positions we needed. Looks like this fleet is also not spared.
  5. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 23 October 2017 07: 26 New
    +8
    Colleagues! You correctly stated everything about the difficulties of reviving the combat potential in the Kaliningrad region, but no one said that it would be time to ask those who allowed this disgrace to ask the Law! Indeed, impunity for actually betraying the interests of Russia gives rise to the temptation of some "businessmen" to do something like that! But to strengthen the defense of the borders of Russia today is the main task and those who prevent this from knowingly or stupidly expel from the leadership mercilessly and without regard to what the so-called say about this. "western partners"! They have already said everything with their plans about the destruction of Russia and the enslavement of our people!
  6. svp67
    svp67 23 October 2017 08: 44 New
    +2
    It will be extremely difficult to restore the military potential of Kaliningrad
    First of all, it’s VERY expensive, but we don’t have money, in any case, according to the Ministry of Finance .... So ... You are holding on there
  7. Old26
    Old26 23 October 2017 08: 47 New
    +4
    Quote: Finches
    Everything is fine - difficult, does not mean impossible! After the annexation of Crimea, as it is now fashionable to say, Russia sent a message to its Western "partners" - that everything is serious, unilaterally suspending the agreement with Lithuania, according to which it pledged to report on the deployment of weapons in the Kaliningrad region. Plus, it finalized the National Security Strategy - where the general line is clearly traced, that in 2020, the military infrastructure and the number of troops will be increased in the Crimea, the Arctic and Kaliningrad.

    Not just hard, but very hard. In Crimea it was easier. In the early 2000s, when materials appeared on the disbandment of the 11th Guards and subunits, publications were very frequent, which described how not only the regiments were disbanded at the airfields, but the airfields themselves were destroyed (plates, communications were removed). If now there are only 2 airdromes left, then this is not just a little. To concentrate all aviation on two airfields, which can be shot through from the adjacent side, is already from hopelessness ... And this is not only in aviation. tanks can, in principle, be brought by ferry or landing craft. Where to place them, who will serve them. The same general speaks of a catastrophic shortage of flight personnel. And we gossip that Trump lacks 1000 pilots ...
  8. SMP
    SMP 23 October 2017 08: 58 New
    +3
    In 2008, Russia withdrew almost the entire tank force from the region - almost 900 units. Then, observers noted that this step demonstrates the lack of aggressive plans for Moscow in relation to the neighboring countries.


    The president was an effective iPhone prime minister, however.
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 23 October 2017 14: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: SMP
      In 2008, Russia withdrew almost the entire tank force from the region - almost 900 units. Then, observers noted that this step demonstrates the lack of aggressive plans for Moscow in relation to the neighboring countries.


      The president was an effective iPhone prime minister, however.


      Do you think he decided something on his own?
      1. SMP
        SMP 24 October 2017 23: 00 New
        0
        Do you think he decided something on his own?


        Naturally not, the squandered word team, or their people in the ministries, the ministers themselves and the oligarch families themselves.

        Example; when the son of one of the oligarchs crashed on the Crimean bridge for fifteen minutes, Dvorkovich appeared, who was shot by NTV ORT felts, ethat means there was a direct call after which Dvorkovich threw everything and rushed.

        And then such decisions ...
  9. rudolff
    rudolff 23 October 2017 10: 23 New
    +8
    However, the decision to withdraw almost all of the heavy armored vehicles from the Kaliningrad region was made under Putin. The conclusion was delayed for the reason that Lithuania did not give permission for the transit of equipment through its territory, it was taken out by sea. Then they joked that tanks in Kaliningrad remained only in the form of monuments on pedestals.
  10. 39GB
    39GB 23 October 2017 12: 01 New
    +5
    “Once at the military council of the Baltic Fleet it was decided whether to discard the Passat ship, which by that time instead of 25 years had left all 27, but it looked good, ...... but the Passat was soon decommissioned anyway” .
    Pisarchuk would have asked what he was writing about. "Passat" continues to serve and looks very wonderful. And the naval command is so independent: the 11th Guards. it is disbanding the army, the Moscow-Minsk division and the Pokryshkinsky regiment (photo of the hangar from the airfield of this regiment) were optimized. They gave a command from the top, and there is nothing. And now, according to another team, they will restore. But, becoming Shoigu as minister, he gave the command to restore the seaplane airfield. There is no movement, they can wait, like Hodja Nasreddin, who is the first one - donkey or padish.
    Quote: rotmistr60
    Kaliningrad deputies should be preoccupied with separatist sentiments in the enclave, which are fueled from outside and, which is most disgusting, find support among some of the youth.

    It was a half separatist. One has already died. The rest is pure nonsense. And a huge number of our smaller brothers from sunny Asia, this is a problem
    1. Romey
      Romey 23 October 2017 16: 04 New
      0
      Quote: 39RUS

      It was a half separatist. One has already died. The rest is pure nonsense. And a huge number of our smaller brothers from sunny Asia, this is a problem

      Perhaps so, although purely visually, it seems, guests from sunny Uzbekistan were somewhat reduced ...
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 23 October 2017 17: 23 New
        0
        - These then - yes! But the others are not diminishing ... And it is doubtful that the representatives of all these "fraternal peoples", as one, rush to burn NATO tanks ... Here it is, the "fifth column". And if the settlement of the region by foreigners continues at the current pace, we will remember our relatives, Kaliningrad "separatists" with quiet fondness ... Yes, these "friends" will overcome the region by simple voting ...
  11. sergo1914
    sergo1914 23 October 2017 14: 44 New
    0
    Forts restored would be cool. Nobody needs, but what power.
    1. Romey
      Romey 23 October 2017 15: 59 New
      0
      Unpromising. The old Koenigsberg forts with modern ammunition are completely defenseless. Therefore, they were not particularly restored, and if they used it, only as temporary warehouses.
  12. iouris
    iouris 23 October 2017 15: 01 New
    +1
    In this mode, Kaliningrad will be “wrung out”.
    1. Ronald Reagan
      Ronald Reagan 23 October 2017 16: 19 New
      0
      So much for the right to self-determination laughing
  13. steelmaker
    steelmaker 23 October 2017 17: 13 New
    +2
    Names who destroyed? And on the bunk or retired! Blaming Stalin for all sins is easy, but for yourself.
  14. Doliva63
    Doliva63 23 October 2017 18: 39 New
    +7
    "Restoring the military potential of Kaliningrad will be extremely difficult"
    But 300 types of inedible sausages in the store, Che. Mortgage, low salaries, inflation - and what, one wonders, did you save on the army? Where did this come from? And now we need money (and a lot!) For new airplanes, tanks, pilots (at 1 school, ha!), Etc. So what was the benefit for the country? And it’s not the fact that something will change dramatically - those in power are the ones who cut, dispersed and broke it all.
  15. Nemesis
    Nemesis 23 October 2017 19: 16 New
    +5
    The reason for this mess is in the Kremlin and on the ruble.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 26 October 2017 01: 19 New
      0
      And how are the owners of metropolitan boutiques, real estate, etc. living on Rublevka, involved in the mess in Kaliningrad?
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 26 October 2017 11: 12 New
        +1
        Yes, all the evil and mess in Russia from the Yakunins and Sobchaks with the Chubais ... from this whole company ...
  16. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 23 October 2017 19: 53 New
    +4
    Quote: romey
    The first fiddle is played by the raw oligarchy and oligarch officials

    Take it higher - play the cello! We bought so many cellos that we will throw enemies!
  17. Evgenijus
    Evgenijus 23 October 2017 20: 08 New
    +1
    From the text:
    [quote] ... to recreate what Russia itself has been destroying for decades [/ quote]
    What did Russia destroy? It was her, Russia, rulers ruined with party cards in safes. Comparing the strength and military power of Russia in military statistics is not so clever. Old weapons had long been cut into metal. From the progress you can not escape, Armada of old tanks - this is not a policy argument. Iskander - yes, with such an argument you can negotiate with the enemy. And he will sit at the negotiating table. Yes Caliber strengthen the arguments of its position.
  18. Gamer
    Gamer 25 October 2017 10: 10 New
    0
    sell this Kaliningrad to the Germans quietly or for a promise to lift the sanctions, a woman with a cart and saving a lot.
    1. zak167
      zak167 26 October 2017 13: 40 New
      0
      You. Just do not expose your idiocy to everyone's ridicule.
    2. grandson of Perun
      grandson of Perun 26 October 2017 13: 56 New
      0
      Yes, understand him, hope-king, no wonder. They demand Kemsky will.
      They fought, they say, so bring her here!
      - What, what? Kemsky will?
      Let take away for health! I thought, gentlemen! - Like it so, the breadwinner?
      The king knows what he is doing! The state will not become poor! Take it away! Take it away!
      They didn’t lead to execution, great sovereign, they led to say a word!
      Why are you, son of a bitch, an impostor, squandering state lands?
      So you will not save any volos!


  19. zak167
    zak167 26 October 2017 13: 39 New
    0
    The author, in place of hysteria, let him roll up his sleeves and build the defense of Kaliningrad. These are only strategists around. Moreover, specialists are literally in everything. And the combat arms, both in planning combat missions and in developing strategic plans. And for what we need the Ministry of Defense , General Staff. To deliver Rezchikov to help Ivashov and a couple of the same specialists, and they will replace us with both the Minister of Defense, the Chief of the General Staff and the whole headquarters.