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The network has a photo of the aircraft engine, presumably for the Su-57

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A photo of an aircraft engine appeared on the Internet. It is alleged that we are talking about the engine (known as the “product-30”) for the latest Russian fifth-generation aircraft Su-57 (PAK FA). Reports about this resource PolitRussia.


A photograph was posted on her Facebook page by the Indian company Tejas-India's MRCA.

The report notes that "the development of a promising Russian fighter of the fifth generation Su-57 is conducted in a secret mode." According to unconfirmed data, the power unit depicted in the photo will be able to develop thrust to 176 kilo-newtons in the afterburner mode.

The network has a photo of the aircraft engine, presumably for the Su-57


Su-57 (factory index T-50) is a promising fifth-generation Russian multifunctional fighter developed by the Sukhoi Design Bureau in the framework of the PAK FA project. The aircraft is being developed to replace the Su-27 fighter in the Russian Air Force. Earlier it was reported that the first flight of the Su-57 with the engine of the second stage (product 30) will take place in the fourth quarter of the year 2017.

For export deliveries on the basis of Su-57, together with India, it is proposed to create an export modification of the aircraft with the designation “FGFA” (Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft).
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 20 October 2017 16: 25
    11
    We are really looking forward to testing the flight SU-57 with a product of 30 ...
    For export deliveries on the basis of Su-57, together with India, it is proposed to create an export modification of the aircraft with the designation “FGFA” (Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft).

    But so far there is not even a project for the SU-57 “sparks” and our side apparently does not want to transfer the production of this fighter to India ..
    1. RASKAT
      RASKAT 20 October 2017 16: 33
      20
      Yes, it’s exactly him, on AL-31 and 41 the controlled thrust vector is not like that. And then a gear was made with angles of 90 degrees, a struggle with the reflection of the rays is clearly visible. All so to speak for the sake of stealth, and in the rear hemisphere too.
      I think so.
      Here it is during the assembly process.
      1. Soran
        Soran 20 October 2017 16: 37
        +3
        In the comments of his facebook he was nicknamed "toothy"
      2. sedoj
        sedoj 20 October 2017 16: 58
        +4
        Try to compare carefully - these are different engines.
      3. Deniska
        Deniska 20 October 2017 17: 36
        +4
        The key is not big ??? .... judging by the details ....
        1. Vladimir16
          Vladimir16 20 October 2017 17: 43
          +8
          He instead of a hammer wassat One under the part and the second from above it rims. laughing
      4. Zibelew
        Zibelew 20 October 2017 17: 38
        12
        I doubt it. The engine will not shine. Yes, and why. And this is just a nozzle in the test for al 31f.

        http://www.tvc.ru/news/show/id/125912#284533
        1. Lex.
          Lex. 20 October 2017 19: 03
          +2
          And what if it reveals what secrets they see there, it is necessary to show the taxpayers how to reinforce the parade that it’s not in vain
          1. Evgeny Strygin
            Evgeny Strygin 21 October 2017 23: 11
            +1
            Well, not blatant aggregates and units. Taxpayers in the form of armata did not have diagrams and the drawings were shown.
        2. fzr1000
          fzr1000 20 October 2017 20: 15
          +6
          What does the reindeer herder do at the factory? Is it really wooden?
      5. 11 black
        11 black 21 October 2017 07: 11
        +1
        Quote: RASKAT
        Yes, it’s exactly him, on AL-31 and 41 the controlled thrust vector is not like that. And then a gear was made with angles of 90 degrees, a struggle with the reflection of the rays is clearly visible. All so to speak for the sake of stealth, and in the rear hemisphere too.
        I think so.
        Here it is during the assembly process.

        Where the FSB looks - to transplant such photographers ... do not blame me. negative
      6. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 21 October 2017 11: 29
        +4
        Quote: RASKAT
        And then a gear was made with angles of 90 degrees, a struggle with the reflection of the rays is clearly visible. All so to speak for the sake of stealth, and in the rear hemisphere too.

        Dear, Roll! "stealth in the REAR hemisphere" lies in a slightly different part of the electromagnetic spectrum. IN INFRARED, however ...
        In AMs, even space interceptors like SM-3 are imprisoned on IR sensors, in the "rear hemisphere".
        (And you still wonder why they have rear-wheel drive in their honor! bully )
        So, you need to take care of the IR spectrum of the "30 product" ...
        Something like this, however. yes
    2. starogil
      starogil 20 October 2017 17: 37
      +5
      T-50, Armata, PD-14, three-quarters superjet foreign, MS-21 without its own engine,
      Mi-26 on foreign engines, a small-sized navy under construction, in space
      in general .... Well, why and how much more to wait, wait, wait, the timing to the right ......
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 20 October 2017 17: 45
        27
        Quote: starogil
        PD-14

        PD-14 is already undergoing state tests. I will say more, they are already making PD-18 ..
        Quote: starogil
        MS-21 without its own engine

        MS-21 is also being tested for the time being and the series will have a domestic engine for it.
        Quote: starogil
        Mi-26 on foreign engines

        What a fright? At the 26th stands D-136 yet. Now PD-12V for the Mi-26T heavy helicopter.
        Quote: starogil
        .Well, what and how much more to wait, wait, wait, timeline to the right ......

        You need everything now and right away ... but sorry, after such a stagnation, everything does not work right away. In addition to creating power plants, you must first either restore production, if it was, or create it from scratch.
        1. Russian
          Russian 20 October 2017 20: 02
          +3
          Quote: NEXUS
          Quote: starogil
          PD-14

          PD-14 is already undergoing state tests. I will say more, they are already making PD-18 ..
          Quote: starogil
          MS-21 without its own engine

          MS-21 is also being tested for the time being and the series will have a domestic engine for it.
          Quote: starogil
          Mi-26 on foreign engines

          What a fright? At the 26th stands D-136 yet. Now PD-12V for the Mi-26T heavy helicopter.
          Quote: starogil
          .Well, what and how much more to wait, wait, wait, timeline to the right ......

          You need everything now and right away ... but sorry, after such a stagnation, everything does not work right away. In addition to creating power plants, you must first either restore production, if it was, or create it from scratch.


          How much can you repeat the same thing about stagnation? Stagnation as 20 years passed. During such a time, the USSR has become a world leader, but you are not all at once, you have to wait.
          1. 73bor
            73bor 20 October 2017 21: 05
            +1
            The USSR had to force everything from zero and both GOELRO and industrialization, after which they got 1941, do not forget what kind of system was, where they planted a bag of potatoes, and according to the first letter of your neighbor, if we hadn’t had nuclear weapons, we would have a war received!
            1. kos2910
              kos2910 21 October 2017 07: 23
              +2
              Quote: 73bor
              The USSR had to force everything from scratch

              Could afford, people plowed seven days a week, the Gulag is mushroom again. Saturday when was the day off? Now people are coddled, the pace of the first five-year plans is unrealistic. Thank you for reaching at least the 1991 level in terms of GDP, overcoming the demographic abyss, expanding our gold reserves - we are preparing for a confrontation. But slowly ... But it could be much worse ...
              1. Uryukc
                Uryukc 21 October 2017 11: 48
                0
                Quote: kos2910
                The Gulag is mushroom again.

                And where does the Gulag? If now the prisoners will cut down the forest and lay the railway sheet, will this somehow accelerate the modernization of the country?
                1. kos2910
                  kos2910 22 October 2017 06: 27
                  0
                  Quote: Uryukc
                  And where does the Gulag

                  It was they who pulled out the nuclear program, how many of them died in uranium mines is unknown, but without this there would have been no nuclear parity.
                  1. Uryukc
                    Uryukc 22 October 2017 08: 43
                    0
                    Quote: kos2910
                    how many died in uranium mines - unknown

                    If there really were many liberals who would have died, we would have already taken this argument into service and we would have heard about it from all the cracks. Whatever it was, now mass labor will not accelerate anything, 1000 prisoners will be discouraged by one sinking drill.
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 20 October 2017 22: 31
            11
            Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
            How much can you repeat the same thing about stagnation?

            Dear, yes, because to destroy, plunder, sell is always easier than to restore, build, start over again ... and this is not a toilet in the field to build, but to restore entire industries and industries.

            Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
            During such a time, the USSR has become a world leader,

            Firstly, it was the USSR, that is, Union 15! states. And the capabilities and capabilities of 15 states are incommensurably greater than that of Russia alone. Do not you think? Every year, a million new people were born in the USSR, that is, the birth rate was much higher than mortality. The community of stupid managers, nonspecialists and frank mediocrity did not flourish there, as now ... do you feel the abyss of difference that separates the USSR and the Russian Federation?
            1. Uryukc
              Uryukc 21 October 2017 11: 52
              +2
              Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
              During such a time, the USSR has become a world leader, but you are not all at once, you have to wait.

              Quote: NEXUS
              Dear, yes, because to destroy, plunder, sell is always easier than to restore, build, start over again ... and this is not a toilet in the field to build, but to restore entire industries and industries.

              And most importantly, the USSR is the consolidated power of the entire economy in the hands of the state, that is, 100% of money and other resources in the service of the state, and the Russian Federation has only 40% and this does not take into account the leakage of funds over the hill. It’s on the surface why no one notices an elephant in the room ...
          3. CAT BAIYUN
            CAT BAIYUN 21 October 2017 00: 40
            +6
            and you are not all right away, you have to wait

            - We must not wait, but do it. This takes a little longer than pressing the "enter" button ....
          4. Piramidon
            Piramidon 21 October 2017 01: 17
            +4
            Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
            How much can you repeat the same thing about stagnation? Stagnation has already passed for 20 years.

            Do you seriously think that everything has gone uphill since 1997? Yes, it was the heyday of the collapse of everything and everything.
          5. 11 black
            11 black 21 October 2017 07: 14
            +1
            Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
            How much can you repeat the same thing about stagnation? Stagnation as 20 years passed. During such a time, the USSR has become a world leader, but you are not all at once, you have to wait.

            Remind you that this happened only thanks to the huge sacrifices and a successful combination of circumstances?
        2. Evgeny Strygin
          Evgeny Strygin 21 October 2017 23: 13
          0
          not to say that "stagnation" has gone somewhere. We eat the corpse of the Union. In the future, the monarchy - by the way does not seem like a joke.
      2. Vladimir16
        Vladimir16 20 October 2017 17: 46
        +6
        Watching what to expect ... If the board is grave, then you can move aside.
        Maybe not wait, but live? Live without snot! wink
      3. CAT BAIYUN
        CAT BAIYUN 21 October 2017 00: 38
        +8
        Well, why and how much more to wait, wait, wait, timing right ......

        Rate then how many Americans are trying to copy the RD-180 ... Six years? More? And they ask for another 10? Ah, yes ... Recently reported on the launch in an atmospheric stand .... What year is the technology? Whose technology is it?
        Why don’t you ask them about “deadlines to the right”?
        At the touch of a button, "Enter", my dear, these things are not done.
        Need more pens, pens ...
        1. starogil
          starogil 21 October 2017 08: 46
          0
          RD-180 - Soviet engine, so how many years old the United States can not copy it?
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 21 October 2017 08: 51
            +7
            Quote: starogil
            RD-180 - Soviet engine

            RD-180,was developed in the mid 90s based on the Soviet RD-170.
            This is in order of clarification simple. The RD-180 cannot be “Soviet” in any way, simply because of a time mismatch.
        2. Krabik
          Krabik 21 October 2017 10: 36
          0
          RD-180 ordered the development of Lockheed Martin for their Atlas missiles in the first stage and have all the documentation for it.

          They began to buy in the Russian Federation for the same reason as in Ukraine to support the trousers of their satellites and the RD-180 was trite cheaper.

          Other companies in the USA make engines for themselves, for example, Musk talks about his engine production in this video:


          And still very important information for you, if it were not for Lockheed Martin with his orders, then NPO Energomash would have bent in the 90s and would have looked like a Buran under a collapsed roof;)
    3. bald
      bald 20 October 2017 19: 59
      0
      All this is cunning. Somehow they scream too much at the expense of technology. NEXUS - you do not think that the mastered technologies, by you specified projects, in comments. Even the test results - they don’t say anything about themselves. I’m generally confused about who to whom --- and then a lot. It is hard to say - is the SU-57 selling the Motherland now, or is it commerce?
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 20 October 2017 20: 07
        +6
        Quote: bald
        NEXUS - you do not think that the mastered technologies, by you specified projects, in comments.

        These projects are being done and apparently a priority, given the fact that we decided to reanimate our civil aviation ... The PD-14 has been known for a long time, and there is already its modification of the PD-15 ... so the guys are working, and this cannot fail to please.
        Quote: bald
        It is hard to say - is the SU-57 selling the Motherland now, or is it commerce?

        There is no commerce here. A question of technology. The Hindus need all our key advanced technologies so that they have them on their territory, but we don’t want to transfer these technologies ... hence this delay in the SU-57 “twin”.
        The same topic on the Triumphs ... well, they sell the S-400 to the Turks and Saudis ... there are screams and screams about this, but few people talk about the arsenal that ours will provide to the same Turks for export Triumphs. I’m sure that in those Triumphs there will be no missiles with a range of 400 km ... and the development of air defense and missile defense systems does not stand still, and I won’t be surprised if in a couple of years some S-450 with a large ammunition appears than the 400s and with more long-range missiles.
        1. bald
          bald 20 October 2017 23: 03
          +1
          And there is something in it, if you put your hand in honor in a dense forest. Remember how we were not allowed into Japan because of the loudly noisy engines. NEXUS - you are specifically an expert and be so.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 20 October 2017 23: 31
            +3
            Quote: bald
            NEXUS - you are specifically an expert and be so.

            It’s impossible to know everything and understand everything. As my mentor used to say, If a person says that he knows and knows everything, he knows nothing and does not know how. hi
        2. bald
          bald 21 October 2017 09: 51
          0
          NEX - everything is clear on the complexes, I’ll even say more - our pilgrims with their own team - you are probably aware. But what about sales?
  2. Berber
    Berber 20 October 2017 16: 28
    +2
    The plane evolves at the test stage. Will there be a series?
  3. Makarov
    Makarov 20 October 2017 16: 30
    10
    In general, this is secret data and someone should sit down for distributing such a photo ... and for a long time ...
    1. yuliatreb
      yuliatreb 20 October 2017 17: 16
      +3
      There may be a deliberate release, pursuing certain goals
  4. hrych
    hrych 20 October 2017 16: 40
    +3
    Traction control vector in all planes. Ours remain true to themselves because they decided to leave super-maneuverability. Well, a brilliant solution with duck-rudders that do not add EPR good
  5. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 20 October 2017 17: 01
    +1
    Are the Hindus still investing in the FGFA or are they waiting for Russia to present all production and technology to them on a silver platter? In the meantime, they buy rafals from the Franks and replace them with the old MiGs. Apparently not really getting to get FGFA.
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 20 October 2017 17: 24
      +5
      Hindus need hundreds of cars to replace all of the MiG-21-MiG-29. And the Rafaley regiment (36mash.) Is not able to replace them all.
      And where do the Indians go if they want to have a better, heavy fighter? "They wander," as one famous character used to say. wink
      But the MiG-35 in terms of commerce would be very welcome. It is late. hi
  6. Livonetc
    Livonetc 20 October 2017 17: 29
    +1
    Quote: Vlad5307
    Are the Hindus still investing in the FGFA or are they waiting for Russia to present all production and technology to them on a silver platter? In the meantime, they buy rafals from the Franks and replace them with the old MiGs. Apparently not really getting to get FGFA.

    This means that they are evaluating the timing of the possible commissioning of new cars and the real risks for themselves for the waiting period.
    There are probably these risks if they are willing to spend serious money.
    1. Krabik
      Krabik 21 October 2017 10: 49
      0
      It is corny a mess in the minds of Hindu to buy from all over the world on a little bit different equipment.

      As a result, they have a fleet more like a zoo in their cities and are very difficult to maintain.
      And in the war period, all their equipment will not be serviced and work at all.
      They will fight in the old fashioned way in Kalash.
  7. rudolff
    rudolff 20 October 2017 17: 48
    +2
    I already thought the nozzle would be flat, like in Priit on the F-22.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 20 October 2017 20: 13
      +4
      Quote: rudolff
      I already thought the nozzle would be flat, like in Priit on the F-22.

      Rudolph hi
      It was an option, but not the main one ... it is possible to dissipate the heat not only in this way, and multi-angle nozzles give not just maneuverability, but super maneuverability ...
      1. Krabik
        Krabik 21 October 2017 10: 56
        0
        Most likely, the MO is on the occasion of the engine manufacturer with a deflected vector and good maneuverability.

        A lot of effort and money was spent to stupidly throw this project into the basket.

        And so missiles can make maneuvers at 50g, and a plane manned up to 10g.
        The same "penguin" has such a shape that maximum hide weapons from the pylons in the aircraft body and have fewer reflective surfaces, and ours all hang on the pylons and glow like Christmas trees in the new year.

        As a result, our planes will be better lit on radars, but more dexterously they will evade their missiles.
        And their planes will shine less, but they will evade worse.
  8. Roma 1977
    Roma 1977 20 October 2017 18: 34
    +1
    "The aircraft is being developed to replace the Su-27 fighter in the Russian Air Force." - Oh? A small series for performing particularly important tasks (and in the worst case, for the sale of technology (both in parts and in combination) to China and India), in addition to the Su-35, as the main air force fighter.
    1. shans2
      shans2 20 October 2017 20: 20
      +2
      you are all here, "ikperdy")
      A site you can go to laugh about comments
      1. Roma 1977
        Roma 1977 21 October 2017 07: 54
        0
        And what is wrong? The Su-57 is planned in a batch of 50 units in a few years. This is not at all "to replace the Su-27," but only an addition to the fleet of other types of fighters. As well as the MiG-35, which even for the staffing of one regiment is not enough according to the state order plan, it is clearly seen that it is launched into the series exclusively as a “good fighter for the poor” for export.
      2. Krabik
        Krabik 21 October 2017 11: 01
        0
        So who is watching Zadornova, who is having fun here.

        Say thank you that the Gulags have been canceled and you can scribble comments and have fun here;)
  9. Berkut24
    Berkut24 20 October 2017 19: 20
    0
    In the relevant forums, they came to the conclusion that these are Saturn’s experiments with its engines. "Product 30" is kind of like a "Cradle" does. Although it cannot be ruled out that some nodes can go to the top thirty from these experiments.
    1. Mimoprohodil
      Mimoprohodil 21 October 2017 10: 05
      0
      Salute’s experiments. And "Saturn" is Arkhip Lyulka's design bureau
      1. Berkut24
        Berkut24 21 October 2017 10: 55
        0
        Sorry, yes. But in fact - this is not 30.
  10. complete zero
    complete zero 21 October 2017 05: 22
    0
    what kind of "secrecy" is there if the photo and even from the Indians?)))))))))
  11. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 21 October 2017 07: 34
    +1
    If this is the “same” engine, then this news is very good ... The truth is not for everyone.
  12. Viktor Petrov
    Viktor Petrov 21 October 2017 11: 15
    0
    If in the future, as a result of the modernization of the SU-35, the product 30 is delivered, then the pluses are not enough
    1. Timx
      Timx 21 October 2017 22: 43
      0
      Remotorization of the already built Su-35 is impossible without serious alterations of the engine mount. And the benefits of such a refinement are doubtful.
  13. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 21 October 2017 14: 55
    0
    With the next upgrade, this must be done. As well as the installation of avionics and radar from the Su-57 ... The descendants of the Su-27 still have 50 years to live and serve. The problem with the MiG-29 heir ... and the RD-33 heirs is more acute.
  14. asr55
    asr55 21 October 2017 21: 57
    0
    Quote: sedoj
    Try to compare carefully - these are different engines.

    Yes exactly.
  15. Alkonost
    Alkonost 23 October 2017 12: 29
    0
    The fact that this item 30 was lit up, suggested the administration of the VK group https://vk.com/pakfa on the 18th. The next day, they refuted their assumption, apologizing. But rumors have already gone on the net. Here are the Indians. So for now hang up)