In the United States have experienced mobile combat laser

The US company Raytheon demonstrated the effect of the mobile laser complex HELWS-MRZR, which, during tests, hit an quadcopter with an invisible beam, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta.

The video frame shows the device installed on the basis of the army version of the buggy, and the UAV hovering at a low altitude. After a while, one of the quadcopter motors flashes and the drone falls to the ground.

Other details of the experiment - the distance, air temperature, strength and wind direction - the developers of the laser installation are not reported.

The abbreviation HELWS stands for "Combat system with a high-energy laser."



Specialists of the manufacturer assure that a miniature laser gun can hit targets also while the vehicle is in motion, and the mobile power source allows you to make laser shots up to 30 on a single battery charge.

The newspaper notes that in recent decades the military of many countries have been actively experimenting with lasers and powerful energy weapons. However, "at the moment, these lasers are basically either rangefinder devices that increase the capabilities and efficiency of conventional weapons, or blinding devices that disable the optics of the enemy, ”the material says.

Comments

[210ox]

With this, the neighbor’s booby with a slingshot is more effective than this stray. Although seriously, you need to take a closer look at such developments and do your own thing. Despite the apparent absurdity, the military also laughed at the airplane ...

[xetai9977]

These are just the first swallows. Undoubtedly, technology will improve over time. These systems are the future.

[Thor]

Let them saw, we look.
Enough of what - intelligence will "borrow"

[Shurik70]

I watched once a video, back in the early 2000s. The American company advertised its paint. They show an industrial laser as it cuts metal sheets. One of the leading videos of the "accidentally" hollow shirt for a split second, the laser hit, burned instantly. And then they direct this laser at the car body, painted with their paint. So just a very bright bunny turns out. True, then this video almost immediately disappeared and I did not see it anywhere else.
So the protection of the missile body from the laser is very simple - the coating should reflect or scatter the laser. And, as those inventors have shown, this can be achieved with fairly simple means.
Or, from the latest publications in the open press
https://www.popmech.ru/technologies/7456-antiluch
-bronya-ot-lazera /

[aiw]

For a sufficiently powerful laser, the coating does not matter.

[kos2910]

Quote: xetai9977

These systems are the future.

It’s precisely behind the lasers that they’ve got it, the laws of physics and scattering have not been canceled. The question was well studied back in the 60s. And if there is progress with the power source, dispersion cannot be defeated. Other principles are needed, microwave or plasma. Rather, the railgun is being miniaturized, but there are also nuances.

[SMP]

The second photo hooked twice .......

The question was well studied back in the 60s

Photo of the 60s and photo of HELWS Combat system with a high-energy laser.



This is only an assumption, but the fact that the Bugs are landing from a parachute led to this idea.

[aiw]

The diffraction divergence of the lambda / D beam in the microwave due to the significantly longer wavelength with scattering is much worse than that of the laser. The plasma clot will quickly decay in the atmosphere.

Scattering lasers are OK, there are problems with pulse energy and efficiency - but the progress is tremendous. We will soon see hand weapons, but all sorts of installations on a wheeled chassis are capable of shooting down UAVs / mines / shells already ...

[kos2910]

Quote: aiw

Plasma bunch will quickly fade in the atmosphere

Yes? They don’t know the ball lightning ... Wrap the plasma in an electromagnetic cocoon, don’t you? And if the plasma is from antimatter? You can protect yourself from the laser with reflectors. And you can shoot drones with cheaper methods ...

[aiw]

Well, yes, working lasers are too complicated, let's use ball lightning or antimatter (something that even the project does not have).

Reflectors from a sufficiently powerful laser do not help, and a bunch of alternative physicists are in another branch.

[stolz]

All this garbage: operates at a distance of no more than 50 meters, a huge consumption of electricity, fog, smoke, etc. - an insurmountable obstacle. It's easier to gasp out of a machine gun.

[Esoteric]

Quote: Stolz

All this garbage: operates at a distance of no more than 50 meters, a huge consumption of electricity, fog, smoke, etc. - an insurmountable obstacle. It's easier to gasp out of a machine gun.

At such a distance, as shown in the video, it was possible to burn the entire "copter" ...

[NIKNN]

Quote: Stolz

All this garbage: operates at a distance of no more than 50 meters, a huge consumption of electricity, fog, smoke, etc. - an insurmountable obstacle. It's easier to gasp out of a machine gun.

Yes, the beam retention time on an immovable target was beyond the limits (in childhood, during this time, paper was set on fire with a magnifying glass from the sun), well, the expenditure of force and money on one quadrocopter was excessive, to say the least ...

[knn54]

-On the other details of the experiment - distance, air temperature, strength and direction of the wind - the developers of the laser installation do not report.
And about FASTING too.
And laser weapons can only hit direct fire.

[Chestnut]

Quote: Stolz

All this garbage: operates at a distance of no more than 50 meters, a huge consumption of electricity, fog, smoke, etc. - an insurmountable obstacle. It's easier to gasp out of a machine gun.

All the garbage that we could not - suicidal logic.

[Aaron Zawi]

Road going by walking.

[Berber]

Or "dashing trouble is the beginning." Efficiency will show real application in combat conditions.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: BerBer

Or "dashing trouble is the beginning." Efficiency will show real application in combat conditions.

Well, in real databases, these systems will appear in years through 20.

[NIKNN]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Well, in real databases, these systems will appear in years through 20.

Optimistic ... although ...

[faridg7]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Road going by walking.

It is difficult to argue with this, especially with those to whom it reached forty years (and then once, and overcame 400 km)

[Dead duck]

"Mobile battle laser" this is it

but what the yankers showed ... from the series "bollywood presents"

[Vlad5307]

Quote: BerBer

Or "dashing trouble is the beginning." Efficiency will show real application in combat conditions.

Terrestrial will only be good in clear weather and a powerful source of energy for food. Airborne at heights above cloud cover. You can’t get physics anywhere; its laws cannot be circumvented. In the meantime, these are all toys for kindergarten, such as current spinners.

[Sharansky]

Slowly but surely moving towards the goal. When it was impossible to imagine a thin battery for a mobile phone with a capacity of 3600mAh. And now this is the norm.

[Berber]

In principle, right. BUT there are trends and you need to track them. Not in all theater and not in any weather conditions are applicable, but in the Middle East, for example, quite.

[Professor]

No laser, but I liked the bugs.
With this laser, Phantoms should not be shot down, but paratroopers should be burned. Although not themselves, parachutes will burn in seconds.

[faridg7]

Quote: professor

No laser, but I liked the bugs.
With this laser, Phantoms should not be shot down, but paratroopers should be burned. Although not themselves, parachutes will burn in seconds.

Well, think about the problem. Before landing in the area of ​​landing an aerosol cloud is not a problem. And landing trophies will find application

[Professor]

Quote: faridg7

Well, think about the problem. Before landing in the area of ​​landing an aerosol cloud is not a problem. And landing trophies will find application

You still have fireworks before landing or arrange the distribution in Votsap right away.

[faridg7]

Quote: professor

You still have fireworks before landing

Certainly, fireworks before landing are the same alphabet- who will land people on an uncleaned site

[Professor]

Quote: faridg7

Certainly, fireworks before landing are the same alphabet- who will land people on an uncleaned site

Yeah. In the rear of the enemy.

[faridg7]

Are you afraid that the range of fireworks is not enough? Will the enemy have enough rear depth to prevent his fireworks from reaching?

[Professor]

Quote: faridg7

Are you afraid that the range of fireworks is not enough? Will the enemy have enough rear depth to prevent his fireworks from reaching?

Of course that's enough. There where the fireworks reach does not land an airborne landing. Enough ordinary infantry.

[faridg7]

This is where such an adversary is, that he has enough rear lines so that our fireworks do not get it?
Ordinary infantry should arrive at a slightly prepared bridgehead and airfield at this bridgehead. But the bridgehead with the airfield is just the task of the landing.

[Professor]

Quote: faridg7

This is where such an adversary is, that he has enough rear lines so that our fireworks do not get it?

Just do not need the heartbreaking stories about artillery preparation "Caliber".

Quote: faridg7

Ordinary infantry should arrive at a slightly prepared bridgehead and airfield at this bridgehead. But the bridgehead with the airfield is just the task of the landing.

... deep behind enemy lines. Fireworks aren’t getting there.

[aiw]

If the BTA gets there, then strike aircraft will get even more so. Not to mention all sorts of other iskander and KR.

[faridg7]

Quote: professor

Just do not need the heartbreaking stories about artillery preparation "Caliber".

Well, if you want, you can use calibers, but the menu has a whole list

[parkello]

nifiga Professor, he will not do paratroopers. firstly, the sliding speed is too high to 2.5 m / s, secondly, there is an reinforcing cage sewn on the dome. this is in case there is a break through so that a dome on it such as a mesh is sewn up. so the laser is about nothing ... and the car is nothing ... a ride just right ... with the women on the beach to wind.

[Professor]

Quote: parkello

nifiga Professor, he will not do paratroopers. firstly, the sliding speed is too high to 2.5 m / s, secondly, there is an reinforcing cage sewn on the dome. this is in case there is a break through so that a dome on it such as a mesh is sewn up. so the laser is about nothing ... and the car is nothing ... a ride just right ... with the women on the beach to wind.

... and the material of the parachute is no longer combustible?

[parkello]

material aviazent. it is possible to burn a hole, but it will not flash at the same time it will melt to the frame, and there the thick straps are sewn ... 1500 kg per gap. and go out. Yes, he will have time to land easily from 600 m.

[aiw]

Parachute canopy material for landing avisent? Yes, you Yksperdd however ... through Y.

[parkello]

You yourself are a puppy. thank God that only here you can speak to me. come close to tear.

[aiw]

On the Internet, everyone is just so formidable, I'm already trembling ...

Can you give the name of the parachute model for landing manpower with a dome from an avisent? Or can you just promise to tear your mouth, and tell tales about laser-resistant materials?

[spirit]

The first buyer of this laser we know)) To whom copters really bother)
Wrap two at once

[zivXP]

Quote: Stolz

All this garbage: operates at a distance of no more than 50 meters, a huge consumption of electricity, fog, smoke, etc. - an insurmountable obstacle. It's easier to gasp out of a machine gun.

Down and Out trouble started. If we do not actively develop and implement, then the enemy will do it faster.

[NEXUS]

Our electronic warfare systems are much more efficient ..

Quote: xetai9977

Undoubtedly, technology will improve over time. These systems are the future.

The future is just more for EW technology ..

[parkello]

Definitely yes, but the Amersa make a name for themselves ... they develop and hang noodles on everyone’s ears. That’s almost in a series and is made for everyone. but in reality they will cost two copies and then forget .. but in terms of information, they break ahead. and the whole world thinks. except that they have no one else. like landing on the moon .. also a bike. but nevertheless. it is believed that they landed there. and you prove that it’s not so ... ours didn’t land ... but in vain. but it was necessary to smash them to smithereens.

[aiw]

Leonov, the first to go into outer space, believes that the Americans were on the moon. Do you know something that he does not know?

[parkello]

Leonov .. the same victim of the information war.

[aiw]

Well, yes, of course - all the astronauts and scientists are victims of the information war, you alone are smart d'Artagnan in a white coat.

[Stoler]

Scary thing Spend millions of bucks to then warm up the stationary quadrocopter for five minutes and knock it down with fanfare And if a grenade launcher hung on it? Or some other stray ??? Who would you bet on ???

[voyaka uh]

On the laser, of course. The ray is invisible. And there is no sound. A quadrocopter with a grenade launcher will not understand who burns it. And it will fall without identifying the source of the fire.

[dvina71]

Quote: voyaka uh

The ray is invisible.

Already now, laser radiation sensors are installed on more or less expensive equipment. There is nothing difficult to shoot an aerosol in the direction of radiation .. Here are just standing copters and shoot them. Physics as a science is the weak spot of Americans. So they are trying to turn a feature film into reality .. It would be better if the lyrics of T. Brass .. realized ..

[aiw]

Judging by the comments of the physicist, 99% of VO commentators have a weak spot.

Will you shoot an aerosol from a copter? When did he get hit by a combat laser?

[dvina71]

So what is the little thing then ... let's tactical nuclear weapons on the copter fucking ... Isn't it easier to remove it from the usual rifle? Not?

[aiw]

Not easier. An ordinary rifleman has a smaller range, accuracy is significantly lower and limited BC.

Now we are seriously talking about covering up our units from mortar mines and possibly art. shells - for ordinary shooting it is very difficult. And this radically changes tactics on the battlefield.

[dvina71]

Quote: aiw

Now we are seriously talking about covering their parts from mortar mines and possibly art

And this is all laser .. seriously? Well, let's start with the fact that the defense will have to be built near a non-weak source of electric energy. Continue ... how do you imagine laser defense during an art raid? Smoke, ashes in the air .. the mass of suspensions of different composition ... And all this you flash with a laser (light beam .. I remind you) like a warm butter knife?
\ The problem with the Americans is that they represent the war in the movies ...

[aiw]

Seriously. Tales about the terrible gluttony of lasers are no more than tales, the power consumption of the laser does not exceed the power of the carrier engine.

Smoke, ashes, etc. - yes, this creates a certain problem, but mainly for lasers used for guidance. For a sufficiently powerful combat laser, which is guided by the radar, this is not a problem - to burn through the wall of the projectile is much more difficult than to pass through smoke and dust. And where does smoke and dust come from, if nothing reaches the target and is torn in the air?

[dvina71]

Quote: aiw

And where does smoke and dust come from, if nothing reaches the target and is torn in the air?

Dreamer....

[aiw]

about the rest you have nothing to say? OK.

[Engineer]

For testing I had 3 days to wait for good weather

[afrikanez]

Yes, these Americans have already tortured everyone with their laser pointer!

[Warrior-80]

I think until they come up with new sources of energy, compact and high-energy unlikely these weapons will be effective, but as they say, "the road will overpower

[Nasty]

And in our apartment there is gas.

[SMP]

Quote: kos2910

Quote: xetai9977

These systems are the future.

It’s precisely behind the lasers that they’ve got it, the laws of physics and scattering have not been canceled. The question was well studied back in the 60s. And if there is progress with the power source, dispersion cannot be defeated. Other principles are needed, microwave or plasma. Rather, the railgun is being miniaturized, but there are also nuances.

+ 100% I agree with you, but Americans don’t so much money to pump in both laser weapons and railguns, which are generally not applicable in the war, then why?
My personal assumption is that preparations are underway for the conization of the moon, and weapons are being practiced on earth that can only be used effectively in zero gravity. The reselsotron hypersonic gun can be effective only in near-Earth or near the lunar orbit.
So it is with lasers, the bugs that showed are similar to the one Neil Armstrong rode on the surface of the moon.

Helium-3 mining plans on the moon [edit | edit wiki text]
Helium-3 is a by-product of the reactions taking place on the Sun, and is contained in a certain amount in the solar wind and interplanetary medium. Helium-3 entering the Earth’s atmosphere from interplanetary space quickly dissipates back [13], its concentration in the atmosphere is extremely low [14]
The moon, which has no atmosphere, retains significant amounts of helium-3 in the surface layer, according to some estimates up to 500 thousand tons [15], according to others - less than 10 million tons [16].
Hypothetically, in thermonuclear fusion, when 1 ton of helium-3 enters the reaction with 0,67 tons of deuterium, energy is released that is equivalent to burning 15 million tons of oil [17] (however, the technical feasibility of this reaction has not yet been studied). Consequently, the population of our planet’s lunar resource helium-3 (according to maximum estimates) could be enough for about five millennia [17]. The main problem remains the reality of helium mining from lunar regolith. As mentioned above, the content of helium-3 in the regolith is ~ 1 g per 100 tons. Therefore, to extract tons of this isotope, at least 100 million tons of soil should be processed in situ.
NASA developed concept designs for hypothetical regolith processing and helium-3 separation plants [18].

Uranus 235 as scientists say, has restrictions on production, who says it has 50 years left
someone says 100 years.
When it was crap, the Americans came up with SDI and lit Gorbachev, now they are silent like a fish on ice.
In general, this is not casual, this is the opinion.

[Mentat]

Quote: xetai9977

These are just the first swallows. Undoubtedly, technology will improve over time. These systems are the future.

There is no future for them from the word at all. How much can you scribble this unscientific crap.
The Americans are cutting their budget money and trying to drag them into another arms race. It looks very strange, because they are aware of the USSR laser program.

[aiw]

There is no future for them from the word at all. How much can you scribble this unscientific crap.

Can you scientifically substantiate your claim?

[Mentat]

Quote: SMP

Americans don’t have enough money to pump both into laser weapons and railgun guns, which are generally not applicable in a war, then why?

Railguns are quite applicable to themselves, on this principle and gun mounts will most likely work in the foreseeable future. Today for them there are no energy batteries of the required capacity and materials for the rail.

[dvina71]

Will they fire near Earth orbit? How do you imagine using artillery a shell which flies in a straight line to the horizon? And then it goes into orbit ..

[aiw]

And how are ICBMs flying over the horizon interesting? They will have a speed greater than that of a railgun shell ...

[dvina71]

Quote: aiw

And how ICBMs fly off the horizon is interesting

And you take a look at the trajectories of the ICBMs and the composition of the warhead ICBMs ... and compare this with a barrel of several tens of kilograms of weight ... that will shoot from ... well, almost ... barrel ...

[aiw]

And in your opinion the trajectory of the ICBMs is why this? And what does the letter “B” mean in the abbreviation ICBM?

[dvina71]

Ie the presence of ICBMs up to ten blocks in 50kt do not bother you? And do you persistently compare the ICBMs with the railgun? I'm starting to worry about your health ... temperature? Weakness? diarrhea? .. Not? Things are good?

[aiw]

Mdya ... take care of your health, but rather open what thread Perelman "physics for the curious" at least. B - means ballistic. After the booster section, these warheads follow the same ballistic trajectory as the railgun shell (we don’t take dilution now, well, there’s a minimum increase in speed), the whole difference is that the rail boom has the booster section equal to the barrel length.

To prevent the railgun from shooting beyond the horizon, its initial speed should be greater than the first cosmic (8km / sec - and then, if we neglect the atmospheric resistance) - alas, the theoretical limit for the EMNIP railgun is about 5 km / sec.

[Mentat]

Quote: Sharansky

Slowly but surely moving towards the goal. When it was impossible to imagine a thin battery for a mobile phone with a capacity of 3600mAh. And now this is the norm.

It is difficult to imagine what horizons you need to possess in order to instruct this nonsense of pluses. It seems that here people with in the majority.

[garik77]

Laser weapons systems will remain a toy until compact thermonuclear reactors appear, without powerful energy sources they are suitable only for demonstration presentations with flying toys.
Perhaps in space you can use a combat laser, feeding it from a nuclear reactor, but it will be a very bulky thing

[aiw]

The power consumption of the laser climbing onto the tracked or wheeled chassis with acceptable mobility is not more than the power of the carrier engine. So do not here about the reactors ...

[Mentat]

Quote: aiw

There is no future for them from the word at all. How much can you scribble this unscientific crap.

Can you scientifically substantiate your claim?

It has already been sucked up at VO a million times, use the search and expand your horizons as a whole. Moreover, you should first familiarize yourself with the information on the topic on which you want to speak. Then I would not have to speak out.

[aiw]

This is not the answer, my friend. And at the expense of horizons and familiarization with information on the topic - before giving such advice to strangers uncles, try to start with yourself. At VO, 99% of commentators do not have elementary physics in high school, are you one of them?

So, you cannot substantiate your statement “scientifically”? Because with my TZ (A graduate of the Physics Department of Moscow State University, Ph.D., has been working in the specialty for 20 years) it is fundamentally wrong.

[Mentat]

Quote: aiw

The plasma clot will quickly decay in the atmosphere.

Immediately see a specialist!
True, there is even no theoretical basis on this subject (stable autonomous plasma formations in the atmosphere), but this is nothing, the main thing is to say something scientifically weighty and you can carry nonsense.

[aiw]

True, even there is no theoretical basis on this subject.

But you can immediately see a layman. The Vlasov-Maxwell equation, magnetic hydrodynamics, 100500 plasma installations in science and technology - the fact that you know nothing about this does not mean that it does not. And with stories about ball lightning, go to grandmothers at the entrance or to citizen Gridasov.

[Mentat]

Quote: dvina71

Will they fire near Earth orbit? How do you imagine using artillery a shell which flies in a straight line to the horizon? And then it goes into orbit ..

You would take a school physics textbook in your hands ...

[Mentat]

Quote: aiw

And with stories about ball lightning

It was you who began this story. Quote: “In the atmosphere, plasma clots fade out quickly.” Why are you disowning Gridasov? You are relatives.
Only he is not shy to carry nonsense, but for some reason you are shy. More boldly, you really want to, judging by your texts: plasma clots plow the expanse of the atmosphere, laser weapons capture the future.

[aiw]

No, my friend, about autonomous plasma formations were the first to start your speech; you don’t have to share your laurels with me.

You will argue that a plasma bunch (a group of ions and electrons flying at a high speed towards the target) released from which wunderwafer thread quickly dissipates in the atmosphere?

I never heard from you the scientific justification for your claim that laser weapons have no future - one solid blah blah blah. Change your nickname better, you never pull on the mentat.