Putin: Russia will not allow repetition of events in Srebrenica in Donbass

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Moscow fears that closing the border between Russia and the unrecognized people's republics in the east of Ukraine before solving political issues will lead to a tragedy in the Donbass like the one that happened in Srebrenica, Vladimir Putin said.

He suggested that massacres could occur in the Donbass, assuring that Russia would not allow this.



Putin: Russia will not allow repetition of events in Srebrenica in Donbass


If we give an opportunity to resolve political issues, to resolve the issue of giving these territories special status in accordance with the law that has been passed by the Rada and has now been extended for a year, if the amnesty law is not adopted, if all of this is not done, then the border between Russia and unrecognized republics will lead to a situation on a par with Srebrenica
- said the president of Russia.

The municipality of Srebrenica in Bosnia and Herzegovina became the site of a fierce clash between Serb and Bosniak military formations during the 1992-1995 conflict. With the connivance of the Dutch peacekeepers, several thousand people were exterminated according to the ethnic principle.

Putin also said that at the moment Kiev has not made a single step towards the implementation of the Minsk agreements, the situation in Ukraine has degraded to the limit.

Today’s Ukrainian leadership is sabotaging every point of this agreement, they all see it perfectly ... I assure you, there is not a single step towards the implementation of these Minsk agreements.
- Putin said

At the same time, everyone says "we will not remove the sanctions until Russia fulfills the Minsk agreements." All have long understood that the current leadership of Ukraine is not able to fulfill them. And now, when the situation inside the country, both from an economic and domestic political point of view, has degraded to the limit, when the police use gas against demonstrators there, now I don’t know that the President of Ukraine will take any step to implement the Minsk agreements. I have no idea how to do it
- he added.
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  1. +16
    20 October 2017 12: 43
    Putin: Russia will not allow repetition of events in Srebrenica in Donbass
    in 2014 I heard this ... deja vu?
    1. +20
      20 October 2017 12: 52
      Well, heard what? Che are not coming to help?
      1. +20
        20 October 2017 12: 59
        the sofa in the trench is not leesee .....
        1. +20
          20 October 2017 13: 02
          I see that your freely enter!
          On a caterpillar track, or what?
          1. +18
            20 October 2017 13: 12
            On a caterpillar track or something
            but how is it off-road?
      2. +9
        20 October 2017 13: 11
        Yes, how many have already arrived ... And he will come ... Simply, for a positional war, you and your own will be enough. And so, autumn already, soon from the "north" the winds will blow ... Maybe in your direction.
        1. +2
          20 October 2017 13: 47
          And how many came? And how many left, how many fled
          In our direction At any rate it will blow ... pAnimash ... Business he is in Africa Business ... on three sides (dill, DPR, Russia))))
          1. +5
            20 October 2017 14: 38
            I can ask you the same. How many have left yours? And it doesn’t come back. You know, on our part, to see that on the Ukrainian side there is “silence”, no struggle. So, circus performances of oligarchs. But you have relatives there friends. For three years, then the brains have probably cleared up .. To be honest, the desire to contact them has disappeared, it's more expensive for myself ..
            1. +2
              20 October 2017 17: 22
              Left for the most part - people who can betray (it's me about young people)
              I know firsthand how THESE * refugees * behave ... I explained to them * party policy * immediately and quickly if they became impudent ...
              For 3 years (except for the Donetsk and Lugansk regions which are temporarily located in uRkaine are Our people), the inhabitants of this country, 404, are not all, but most of them have become NOT close relatives ... Believe me, I often come to that side ..... But they are very good Changeling, just that, everyone will yell that they are for Russia and the Donbass ......
              1. +5
                20 October 2017 18: 15
                Quote: Good Zusul
                good shifters

                Well, and if so, then we must work with the closest neighbors. I do not believe that most Kharkovites or Cossacks, on the drum under whom to live. And in which country ..
        2. +6
          20 October 2017 13: 47
          This "north" as a last resort ... But what about the tragedy in Odessa? Something is silent in the Kremlin ...
          Quote: LiSiCyn
          Yes, how many have already arrived ... And he will come ... Simply, for a positional war, you and your own will be enough. And so, autumn already, soon from the "north" the winds will blow ... Maybe in your direction.
          1. +3
            20 October 2017 14: 29
            But did the Kremlin in no way react to the tragedy in Odessa. There are no more contractors, many (in this world), we cannot get customers yet. Yes, and Odessa, in Ukrainian. For this reason, the inhabitants of the second-hand, themselves must catch and judge. It is clear that not now. hi
            1. +5
              20 October 2017 14: 35
              I talked this summer with one Odessa citizen. They won’t catch anyone and judge them. Not now, not later. About a dozen truths were buried in the Donbass, but these are mostly alien zapadents.
              Quote: LiSiCyn
              But did the Kremlin in no way react to the tragedy in Odessa. There are no more contractors, many (in this world), we cannot get customers yet. Yes, and Odessa, in Ukrainian. For this reason, the inhabitants of the second-hand, themselves must catch and judge. It is clear that not now. hi
              1. +3
                20 October 2017 16: 16
                So am I about it ... If they don’t need it, do we need it? Below, I already wrote ... I want to free them less and less. And this is not only my opinion ..
              2. +4
                20 October 2017 16: 24
                By the way, a friend from work talked with the brow from the Dnieper. The person was in anti-terrorist operation. And then he did not know long ago that his data and photos got on the website of the Tribunal. He was so angry that he couldn’t even sleep and didn’t eat. He threw his own with the “grandmothers”. In short, everything is bad with him laughing
  2. +5
    20 October 2017 12: 48
    There should not be a new Srebrenica. If Russia does not stop Bandera, in the Donbass there will be a massacre worse than Srebrenica.
    1. +10
      20 October 2017 12: 53
      Do not repeat the massacre ... It’s not boys with sticks who stand and protect the people
      1. +6
        20 October 2017 13: 06
        Yes, you don’t get nervous ... It’s clear that Ukram will not be easy, but the superiority in forces is enormous .. For two years, the strength has been saved up ... And if you suddenly wring it out of the border, how long will it last? Ah, GDP said again .... Well, you read ... soldier
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          1. +2
            20 October 2017 14: 22
            Quote: Good Zusul
            how do you know about the * advantage *?
            From where .... From open sources and people that you already had. Let's objectively, the MBT and arte superiority is huge. If, I repeat "if," they try to hit Debaltseve on the same, regardless of the losses, they will be able to go to the border ... Yes, for many factors (moral, military), most likely they will not succeed, but still .. .. And I, on your side, and with pleasure, will celebrate Victory Day over ukroinsky Nazism.
            1. +1
              20 October 2017 14: 38
              Open Sources? Usually Americans are all from open sources ...
              The people who we had, for the most part, escaped realizing that they could kill ..
              With all the hatred for Bandera, there are Afghans, specialists and Slavs ... When they show you a video of puffy ukrovoyak, in most cases they are raguli from western Ukraine ... sir .....
              But Victory Day over ukrofashists --- for us it will be like Victory in the Second World War!
              1. +2
                20 October 2017 16: 31
                So, what am I talking about ... And on the account of "open sources", well, sorry, I don’t work at the General Staff. But I’m constantly monitoring the network, so there’s not much in the know. Yes, and I communicate with people ... Different wink
                1. 0
                  20 October 2017 17: 24
                  lol Got it, I'm silent
        2. +2
          20 October 2017 14: 54
          They lost strength, but did not save.
          1. +2
            20 October 2017 17: 20
            Vladyka, well, in terms of technique, they still have a decent advantage. Yes, and the infantry ... In any case, for the first strike. It is clear that it is not a fact that the "fighters" will go on the attack. Because, 1- “point” to climb on the prepared defense. 2nd, it is not clear what will happen next. And the 3rd, they promised that "the whole world" is with us, and soon the 4th year either ..... hi
            1. 0
              20 October 2017 17: 45
              Greetings!
              They have 50 units more for tanks, 200 more for armored personnel carriers / infantry fighting vehicles / infantry fighting vehicles. By artillery, the advantage is several hundred units, MLRS several tens of units.

              For concentration of forces, they need to remove forces from other areas of power and create a fist 5-6 times more. Why is this, say, 2-3 times, yes, because they will have to fight in an open steppe and against high-rises or in urban conditions.
    2. +5
      20 October 2017 14: 48
      Quote: solzh
      There should not be a new Srebrenica. If Russia does not stop Bandera, in the Donbass there will be a massacre worse than Srebrenica.

      So, after all, the matter is simply being solved - to take Donbass to its native harbor. What prevents that? And no more shots will sound!
  3. +7
    20 October 2017 12: 50
    Our president has again explained to stupid mattresses that the beginning of a new Ukraine will begin in Donbas ... am
    1. +7
      20 October 2017 13: 02
      Quote: Coco
      Our president has again explained to stupid mattresses that the beginning of a new Ukraine will begin in Donbas ... am

      and there will be no repetition of Yugoslavia, this is EBN am
  4. +9
    20 October 2017 12: 51
    Putin: Russia will not allow repetition of events in Srebrenica in Donbass

    I wanted to know how I would not allow it, again, as always and in everything, I would express "indignation and regret"?
    1. +10
      20 October 2017 12: 59
      Quote: Stolz
      ... I wanted to know how he would not allow it?

      ... as usual soldier
      1. +7
        20 October 2017 13: 11
        Quote: san4es
        ... as usual

        Well, to whom did this march throw help ?! Kosovo Serbs thought that Russia would protect them from the Albanians and cruelly miscalculated ... they would have been sitting in the barracks then
      2. +6
        20 October 2017 13: 17
        Quote: Stolz
        again, as always and in everything, express "indignation and regret"?

        You sir turn on your head. The whole world understands that Donbass exists only thanks to the Russians. Only Russia is a support and protection for people in the Donbass. Only dozens and dozens of official humanitarian convoys, and the rest is usually silent.
        But you are just outraged and sorry. But it is your choice. hi
        1. +10
          20 October 2017 14: 58
          Quote: Vladimir16
          The whole world understands that Donbass exists only thanks to the Russians. Only Russia is a support and protection for people in the Donbass. Only dozens and dozens of official humanitarian convoys, and the rest is usually silent.

          And in what form does it exist? Russia recognized the Donbass? Did people in the Donbass, when it all started, counted on this? The fact that it will be a piece of territory not recognized by anyone like Abkhazia and Transnistria, plus everything under fire every day! And do not poke this handout - humconvoys!
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      3. +5
        20 October 2017 13: 19
        Quote: san4es
        .As usual

        possible and demotivator
    2. 0
      20 October 2017 13: 00
      On the one hand, he gave opponents information about a possible point where you need to put pressure and there will be a reaction.
      On the other hand, he gave some hope on this side of the barricades.
    3. +3
      20 October 2017 13: 02
      by the way, with the help of these "indignations and regrets" LDNR is already the third year to the banderlogs "soaps the neck" ....
      1. +5
        20 October 2017 13: 16
        Quote: kepmor
        by the way, with the help of these "indignations and regrets" LDNR is already the third year to the banderlogs "soaps the neck" ....

        Well, if you regularly undergo artillery shelling for 3 years, it’s called “lather your neck,” then yes, you're right
  5. +2
    20 October 2017 13: 00
    They waited. Something intelligible and clear sounded in the Donbass. I imagine the mood of the people there. Salt, not salt?
    1. +2
      20 October 2017 13: 15
      And it depends on who will stand by the valve smile
    2. +1
      20 October 2017 13: 56
      Young people do not pour salt on the salt ... Just a bit that they tease in Russia ..
      But the old people still remember who in case of what will save ...
      1. +2
        20 October 2017 16: 42
        And youth, this is from how many to how many? On the other hand, it is full of those over 40. Yes, and young people have parents. Do you really not respect their parents in Ukrainian? And do not recognize? Or are parents like that?
        1. 0
          20 October 2017 17: 57
          How many? from 18 to .. liable
          On the other hand, there is enough of everyone by age
          I recently talked with a girl (about 25 years old), she is a doctor in the marine corps ... I showed photos of how they * live and eat * ... She told me that many went to the army for money, but try not to get on the front line ... for money. .. Parents? What normal mother, for her money, buys bulletproof vests and the rest - so that her son * defends * uRkainu? And when they kill her, damn the whole Donbass ....
          1. +2
            20 October 2017 18: 30
            I understand ... You want to say. Spit on them, go to the borders of the regions. Donbass has already proved everything, take it away, like the Crimea. And "these" let them get sick further ... Maybe they will survive belay
            1. 0
              20 October 2017 18: 49
              If you remove Plotnitsky and his * team (I write only for the LPR), then yes, you can pick up .... only many need * check *)))) Although, I will say a hackneyed phrase, we are mostly ALL Russian-speaking, but Ukrainian mentality .. We are not Crimeans ((((
              1. +2
                20 October 2017 19: 30
                And Lugansk from Donetsk on mentality differ? As I understand it, are you from Lugansk?
                1. 0
                  20 October 2017 19: 48
                  Yes, Lugansk differs from Donetsk ... Who do you think calls us- * Lugandons *)))
                  1. +2
                    20 October 2017 20: 12
                    Well, I thought so called you stubborn creatures living outside of LDN
                    1. +1
                      20 October 2017 20: 19
                      no, that’s what they call us .. Donetsk residents))) Not everyone, but they understand why they call it ....
                      1. +2
                        20 October 2017 22: 06
                        Tell me in terms of “garlic”, if Russia hypothetically agrees and takes you within the borders as it is ... Ukrainians do not rock the boat, the border is locked .. Will there be sabotage? And how large is the percentage, "they don’t really want it"?
              2. 0
                20 October 2017 19: 31
                "Ukrainian mentality" - what are you talking about?
                1. 0
                  20 October 2017 19: 52
                  Can't you tell a Ukrainian from a Russian? )))
                  Or will you start writing about brotherhood of nations or identity?
                  1. +2
                    20 October 2017 20: 16
                    Not everyone has a national trait .. But, you want to say that the inhabitants of all regions are Ukrainians, each have their own "regional" mentality?
                    1. +3
                      20 October 2017 20: 29
                      I don’t write for the residents of the regions of Urkain- I write that the Ukrainian and Russian have a different mentality ..... Crimea was also in Urkain, so what? Crimeans were always Russian .... You know, to write the difference between us-Ukrainians, Russians ... and Residents of the Lugansk and Donetsk republics must live here for 30-40 years. The LPR and the DPR are also different ... At least * those in power * .. There are Luhansk residents, ask how they * respect * the power of the carpenter and associates .... . And how people relate to the authorities in Donetsk .... And how these authorities relate to their people ....... And why on Russian TV (90%) they talk about the DPR and Zakharchenko and with a stretch they say about the LPR and this carpentry toad? Did not notice this?
                      1. +2
                        20 October 2017 21: 57
                        Noticed ... And still, I don’t understand why, you are not just, Donbass or RND (People’s Donbass Republic) or New Russia .. It would be much easier. Patience and courage to you ... hi
                      2. 0
                        20 October 2017 23: 09
                        Alexander Vladimirovich, most likely will run for 2 terms next year. Denis Pushilin left a post in DR. Zakharchenko is respected in the DPR - perhaps this is due to "media support." Many of the "bloopers" launched by the "cyberheaters" against him are regarded as "bloopers." In our transport (queues) they can scold (and scold) officials, bureaucrats, etc. etc. “Zakhara” is rarely criticized (I am surprised myself).
          2. 0
            20 October 2017 22: 55
            She heard about the “curse of Donbass,” an acquaintance was in the Sumy region with “relatives” (as he himself did not get on the lists, he was lucky). In a small village (up to 3500 people) 17 "zinc" came. For comparison, from Afghanistan -1. Comrade "filtered the 200s" under Debaltseve. According to the warriors, 8 corpses from one village aged 18 to 35 years. We are local guys, accustomed to death (from the age of 18, "a scaffold with a scythe somewhere on a tray of ammunition"). "Genetics" does not quite fit into the modern history of Ukraine. One grandfather (tuljak) received the Red Star only for the liquidation of the “Natsiks” in Belarus and Western Ukraine (they are like that in the “border guards”). Grandfather Hilarion, 4 years old, was also not "picking his nose." “Donbassyat” live and fight in the Donbass (and not only), and those who “came here in large numbers” - so they (“here” on the side “did not give up), especially in Russia.
  6. +9
    20 October 2017 13: 12
    For those who forgot

    1. +3
      20 October 2017 14: 16
      Quote: Gardamir
      For those who forgot

      I’ve forgotten! Remind me, is Ukrainian aviation working over the Donbass or is it under the control of Ukraine? In general, they are such civil wars, bloody ones ... Kindle is easier than put out, but they were kindled by those whose propaganda you pour constantly on tongue In general, I feel sorry for you ...
      1. +6
        20 October 2017 15: 06
        Quote: You Vlad
        kindled by those whose propaganda you pour constantly on the VO tongue But in general I feel sorry for you ...

        If this is false propaganda, then it can easily be refuted. Therefore, do not feel sorry for anyone, you object to something intelligible, if you can.
        1. 0
          20 October 2017 15: 10
          Quote: Stas157
          If this is false propaganda, then it can easily be refuted.

          For those who are in the tank! Ukraine captured the Donbass, or is it still under our control? Yes or no?
          1. +10
            20 October 2017 15: 23
            I thought you would justify your accusation of propaganda first!)) I will answer your question: Ukraine has not yet captured the Donbass, and Russia controls it with the help of its curators. Officially, Russia recognizes the Donbass territory of Ukraine.
            Now you answer. Russia recognized a popular referendum in the Donbass? Russia recognized the results of the Minsk conspiracy of Donbass as the territory of Ukraine? In the Donbass killed thousands of civilians, women and children, despite Putin’s promise to protect ?? Yes or no?
            1. 0
              20 October 2017 17: 13
              Quote: Stas157
              Russia recognized a popular referendum in the Donbass?
              Russia has said and continues to say that we see Ukraine as whole and not divisible! Since these are our Russian people, we don’t want to fight (kill) them (but for you this is an idea that’s how Russian Russians urinate) but to make them could not capture the Donbass, we contributed! Let them come by political means to a common denominator. Yes, you know, and both, but for some reason, every time, the same slogans!
              Quote: Stas157
              I thought you would justify your accusation of propaganda first!))
              Justified laughing And he justified it in his first post, but it’s hard for you to understand wink
              Quote: Stas157
              Ukraine has not yet captured the Donbass, and Russia controls it with the help of its curators.

              Stamp (American propaganda)
              1. +2
                20 October 2017 19: 40
                A holistic and indivisible usrain, now can only be anti-Russian. The words of Laurel and Putin about the whole and indivisible fuss, act on those who defend with arms in the hands of LDNR oppressively. People will not forgive the betrayal, and if for some reason LDNR is pushed into the country, the population of Donbass will not understand.
          2. +2
            20 October 2017 17: 34
            Donbass and under URkaina and near Russia ...... Business, business, business ....)))
            1. 0
              20 October 2017 17: 39
              Quote: Good Zusul
              Donbass and under URkaina and near Russia ...... Business, business, business ....)))

              To whom is war, and to whom is mother dear! Every big capital is based on the same big crime! feel
              1. +2
                20 October 2017 18: 51
                You yourself know who comes to power when there is a bacchanalia .....
                And for sure, big capital is based on the same big crime!
          3. +2
            20 October 2017 19: 35
            Under the control of LDNR (RF), only one third of the Donbass, 2/3 under Urains.
      2. +5
        20 October 2017 16: 10
        whose propaganda
        this is probably the propaganda of the Kremlin, because the person in the video, the person from the Kremlin. He promised. What's wrong? I am from the people. Born in the USSR! And I will never fall in love with the capitalists, even though they are deceiving the people allegedly by the machinations of enemies.
        1. +1
          20 October 2017 17: 27
          Quote: Gardamir
          this is probably the propaganda of the Kremlin, because the person in the video, the person from the Kremlin. He promised. What's wrong? I am from the people. Born in the USSR!

          Yes, not our you, you theirs, here is your guise
          I translate again: Donbass is not captured by Ukraine because Russia did not allow it to do this!
          Quote: Gardamir
          the man in the video, the man from the Kremlin.
          wink
          1. +6
            20 October 2017 17: 59
            Yes not ours you
            Yes, I'm not yours! I'm red! And I'm Soviet! And these are Putin's liberals, who live happily under Putin.
            And I don’t even want to talk about Donbass, there are a lot of people from there. Thrown to the mercy of fate. Not Russia, not Ukraine ...
            1. 0
              20 October 2017 18: 29
              Quote: Gardamir
              Yes, I'm not yours! I'm red! And I'm Soviet!

              You mimic this, (rub yourself in trust crying ) but you are not like that No.
              Quote: Gardamir
              And I don’t even want to talk about Donbass, there are a lot of people from there. Thrown to the mercy of fate.

              Donbass now lives mainly due to Russia (as it is in isolation) And your task, through I do not want write how the Donbass still leaked GDP
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            2. 0
              20 October 2017 18: 56
              People thrown to * arbitrary fate * - in most cases they have accumulations, a car, a brazen face and other related makings of scum ... This does not apply to women and children !!! Although, * abandoned to arbitrariness * behave rudely in Russia ... I would not want to work-Vali back or wherever you want .. dependents and so enough of their own in Russia
  7. +3
    20 October 2017 13: 14
    It is necessary not to compare with Srebrenica, but with Serbian Krajina, because there was real genocide of the Serbian population, and the Bosnian Serbs deny that Srebrenica, for the whole accusation was concocted by NATO members in haste, such a “Katyn” is Serbian. It is surprising, of course, how they palm off on the president to voice this, again a curtsy towards the West ?!
    1. 0
      20 October 2017 13: 42
      Probably such a comparison is more intelligible for the pin .. ... s of the "partners".
  8. +4
    20 October 2017 13: 48
    There is a red line in the Donbas, for which the impudent Saxons and their Ukrainian warriors were clearly told not to meddle. Poke around, get a wagon and a small cart with stars. Enough for everyone ...
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  10. +3
    20 October 2017 18: 30
    Nobody was going to ask for GDP. Russia today is a stagnant mono-economy with truncated sovereignty and a primitive management system. As V. I. Lenin said, "Politics is a concentrated expression of the economy." It is possible to reverse the slide into the abyss and at least reduce the backlog from the advanced economies only through a revolution, after which a tremendous amount of people will be required.
    In the meantime, we are preparing for the fact that before the election of the Tsar there will be a powerful buildup both inside Russia and around it.
  11. +1
    20 October 2017 19: 31
    The GDP is already draining Donetsk by slipping instead of the implacable Pushilin Zhidov ku Volkova, who drives a blizzard in the style of Akhmetov’s bitches against the background of the Ukrainian flag. Coup in ideology is not new in Yeltsin’s appointees. For them, Russia within the borders of the USSR is a taboo. Their label is the territory of the RSFSR Well, let within the borders of 1953
  12. +1
    20 October 2017 21: 57
    "If you give the opportunity to resolve political issues, to resolve the issue of giving these territories special status in accordance with the law adopted by the Rada and now extended for a year, if the law on amnesty is not adopted, if all this is not done, then the border between Russia is closed and unrecognized republics will lead to a situation on a par with Srebrenica. "
    According to the laws of Ukraine, an amnesty applies to persons who pleaded guilty and repented of their deeds. The person to whom the Amnesty Act may be applied must write in writing. I’ll come to sign the act with my friend, - “F-1“ call sign. ”
  13. 0
    20 October 2017 22: 04
    Quote: Fedoslov
    Nobody was going to ask for GDP. Russia today is a stagnant mono-economy with truncated sovereignty and a primitive management system. As V. I. Lenin said, "Politics is a concentrated expression of the economy." It is possible to reverse the slide into the abyss and at least reduce the backlog from the advanced economies only through a revolution, after which a tremendous amount of people will be required.
    In the meantime, we are preparing for the fact that before the election of the Tsar there will be a powerful buildup both inside Russia and around it.

    "Obosratushki" is not "zayubitushki"? Accept herring with milk, you will find out why "bulkers (liberals) need OPPA. Take a tour of Ukraine - you will be allowed to go."
  14. 0
    20 October 2017 22: 30
    Once Pu had already promised something similar, empty words then empty words now ... Weak people are not respected anywhere ... When you talk and you do not perform weakling ... and what respect for the weak? So Russia has been wiping for 25 years, it’s wiping itself and it’s not visible ...
  15. 0
    20 October 2017 23: 54
    Quote: Stas157
    Quote: Vladimir16
    The whole world understands that Donbass exists only thanks to the Russians. Only Russia is a support and protection for people in the Donbass. Only dozens and dozens of official humanitarian convoys, and the rest is usually silent.

    And in what form does it exist? Russia recognized the Donbass? Did people in the Donbass, when it all started, counted on this? The fact that it will be a piece of territory not recognized by anyone like Abkhazia and Transnistria, plus everything under fire every day! And do not poke this handout - humconvoys!

    To be honest, Dear (Dear without scolding), in 2014, I was deeply “to the point” Russia recognizes us or not. Russia helps with the "guards convoys" (and only (in your words)). It is likely that Russia would not really like to get a bunch of "socially non-adapted morons" on its territory? Donbass filters them a little (platoon, drift, etc.). There are a lot of people who will "seriously chopped". Under the assumptions of "one of the great Ukrainian" experts "to" clean up the Donbass, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will lose up to 15000 people (multiply by 3).
    I saw a post in the comments about the possible flights of the Ukrainian Armed Forces over Donetsk. Probably no captive pilots. Stories of one McCain "for tonsils." DPR air defense opened a funeral parlor (Mamchur will be buried with surcharge).