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How to save "Salute"

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The feat of Soviet cosmonauts Vladimir Dzhanibekov and Viktor Savinykh is one of the most remarkable pages in stories domestic cosmonautics. 19 April 1982 was launched into orbit with the Salyut-7 station, an advanced achievement in design thought and the space industry of its time. The main objective of the station was the implementation of scientific and technical experiments and research in space conditions. For research work, changing crews periodically delivered to the station. All in all, Salyut-7 was visited by 6 main crews and 5 expeditions, which included cosmonauts of the Soviet Union, as well as the first cosmonauts of France and India. The longest expeditions to Salyut-7 lasted 211 days and 237 days. From the station, the astronauts made a total of 13 spacewalks that lasted 48 hours 33 minutes.


In May 1982 of the year, the first main expedition set off to space aboard the Soyuz T-7 spacecraft went to the Salyut-5 station. In August, the Soviet woman - cosmonaut (second in the world after Valentina Tereshkova) Svetlana Savitskaya went to the station 1982, and in February-October 1984, six cosmonauts worked at the station simultaneously. It was at “Salute-7” that the expedition composed of Leonid Kizim, Vladimir Solovyov and Oleg Atkov was set at that time an absolute record for the duration of a space flight - 237 days.

Then, for some time, the expeditions to the station were not sent, and on February 11, 1985, the connection with the Salyut-7 station was interrupted. At this time, the station flew in automatic mode, there were no astronauts on board. What happened and why the station stopped communicating? The flight control center could not answer this question. The only thing that could be established was that the station was not completely destroyed. This was found out by using optical means of the anti-missile defense system, which showed that Salyut-7 remains an integral object, that is, it did not undergo total destruction due to any impacts. The Salyut-7 station was of great value, and its possible fall could lead to the most unpredictable consequences. Therefore, the leadership of the Soviet state and the space industry thought about possible ways out of the problem situation.

How to save "Salute"


After much consultation, it was decided to try to save the expensive and valuable space station. The solution to this problem could be achieved in only one way - by sending a rescue expedition to the station. Such examples in the history of world space exploration have not yet been - the Soviet people were again destined to become pioneers in space, this time in saving the space station.

Of course, the operation was very risky. First of all, no one has ever performed such operations before, so the astronauts had neither personal experience nor the opportunity to consult with the “senior comrades”. Secondly, astronauts could collide with a station that lost control, die, or be poisoned by combustion products. After all, on Earth they didn’t even know exactly what happened at the Salyut-7 station. The possibility of a fire at the station was not excluded. However, it was impossible to delay - after about half a year after losing control, Salyut-7 should have started to decline and eventually fall in some place on Earth, perhaps to a large city, an industrial facility, which could cause large human casualties and man-made disaster.

It is clear that the flight to the Salyut-7 station could only be trusted by the most experienced and highly professional cosmonauts to control the space industry. It should have been the best of the best - the color of the national astronautics. Such people were found rather quickly, having studied the entire list of active and suitable by age, health status and professional qualities of Soviet cosmonauts.

The flight engineer of the expedition was approved by Viktor Petrovich Savinykh. By this time he was already 45 years old, and behind him almost twenty years of experience in the space industry. Viktor Petrovich was born in 1940 year and in his youth, he probably didn’t even imagine that he would become an astronaut. He graduated from the Perm Technical College of Railway Transport with the qualification "Technician-Route", served in the railway troops, and after the army entered the optical-mechanical faculty of the Moscow Institute of Engineers of Geodesy, Aerial Photography and Cartography. An excellent graduation from the institute allowed him to get a job at the Central Design Bureau of Experimental Engineering (from 1974, NPO Energia) into a department led by Academician Boris Rauschenbach. Here, Viktor Petrovich worked for twenty years, engaged in the development of control systems for spacecraft.

The station "Salyut-7" Viktor Savinykh knew perfectly. In addition, he already had the experience of flying into space - from 12 March to 26 May 1981, he flew as a flight engineer of the Soyuz T-4 spacecraft, commanded by Vladimir Vasilievich Kovalyonok. Naturally, the choice fell on Viktor Savinykh and this time - five years after his first flight into space, he had to fly again, this time - on the most difficult and dangerous expedition to the “lost” station.

If everything was clear from the very beginning with the candidate for the position of a flight engineer, then discussions were held regarding the candidate for the role of the crew commander. In the end, we decided to dwell on the candidacy of Colonel Vladimir Dzhanibekov. It was also the most experienced Soviet cosmonaut, a brave and resolute man. By the time of the events described, Vladimir Alexandrovich Dzhanibekov was already twice the Hero of the Soviet Union. He was two years younger than Victor Savinykh - born in 1942. His path to the space program was also not "linear." Vladimir Alexandrovich graduated from the Tashkent Suvorov Military School in 1960, but first entered the Physics Department of Leningrad State University and only then passed the entrance exams to the Yeysk Higher Military aviation School of Pilots, which he graduated in 1965. For some time Vladimir Alexandrovich served as an instructor pilot in the air force, and in 1970 he was enrolled in the cosmonaut detachment, where he underwent a full training course and in 1974 became an astronaut in the 3rd department of the EPAS 1st control program. For flights in 1978 and 1981 Vladimir Dzhanibekov received two Golden Stars of the Hero of the Soviet Union.

In the middle of the 1980-s, Colonel Vladimir Dzhanibekov was already the most experienced cosmonaut of the Soviet Union. He made four flights into space, all in the capacity of a spacecraft commander. He returned from orbit in July 1984 of the year, so first he had to check the health of the colonel - whether he could withstand the second most complicated expedition to space, yet it’s not a joke to fly to space so often. When the doctors said that Janibekov could fly, he was officially approved as the commander of the spacecraft crew.

In addition to training the crew, it was necessary to carefully prepare and improve the Soyuz T-13 spacecraft, on which they were to fly into space. First of all, the seat of the third cosmonaut was removed from the ship, as well as the automatic approach system, but a laser rangefinder was installed. The release of space due to the seat of the third cosmonaut carried a completely utilitarian meaning - additional supplies of fuel and drinking water were placed on the ship. To increase the duration of autonomous flight on the ship, special additional air purification regenerators were installed. The maximum possible conditions were created so that the astronauts could be in autonomous flight mode longer in case of any unforeseen situation.

The Soyuz T-13 spacecraft was launched from the Baikonur 6 cosmodrome on June 1985 of the year at 10: 39 Moscow time. The launch of the spacecraft was reported by the media of the Soviet Union. But the real purpose of the expedition of Janibekov and Savinykh was not disclosed. Only when the ship had been in space for several weeks did the press gradually begin to announce some details about the unusual expedition of Soviet cosmonauts. Already on 8 on June 1985, the Soyuz T-13 was docked with the detected Salyut-7 station. At the same time, the docking was ensured by the Soviet Union’s missile defense weapons, thanks to which the Soyuz T-13 was successfully hoisted over the Salyut-7.

However, after approaching the station, interesting details began to emerge. It turned out that the solar panel orientation system was not working at the station. Janibekov and Savinykh transferred to the Salyut-7 station. The first reaction of the spacecraft commander was the brief phrase "Kolotun, brothers!" The temperature on the "Salute-7" really dropped very much - approximately to 4 degrees of heat.

It is noteworthy that when 12 on June 1985, Vladimir Djanibekov and Viktor Savinykh, performed the first television report from the Salyut-7 station, they were without headgear. The leadership asked the cosmonauts to take off their hats, because the citizens of the Soviet Union and the world community did not know about the rescue work at the station and the crew had to look like it was everyday, as if nothing had happened. Only when the communication session with the station was completed, were the Janibekov and Savinykh able to get warm headgear again.

The astronauts began to repair the station. It was difficult to work, but experienced specialists did not give up and practically did the impossible. Within a few days, they were able not only to identify a malfunction in the power supply control system, but also to eliminate it. 16 June 1985, the astronauts were able to connect the station's batteries to solar panels, warm up the station and restore its operation. It was a real feat, which the former history of cosmonautics, both Soviet and American, did not know.

23 June to the station "Salyut-7" docked "Progress-24", which delivered water supplies and other goods necessary for astronauts. The next heroic deed of Janibekov and Savinykh was the 2 August 1985 spacewalk, when the astronauts were able to install additional solar elements that increased the working surface. 17 September 1985 of the year launched the Soyuz T-14 spacecraft, and 18 of September he successfully docked to the Salyut-7 station, delivering three more cosmonauts to the station - Vladimir Vasiutin, Alexander Volkov and Georgiy Grechko. During the week, five cosmonauts worked at the Salyut-7 station, and only on September 26, Vladimir Dzhanibekov and Georgy Grechko on the Soyuz T-13 spacecraft returned to the ground.

Vladimir Vasyutin, Alexander Volkov and Victor Savinykh continued working at the station. At first, the expedition commander was Vladimir Vasyutin, but then Viktor Savinykh was appointed to this position. However, under certain circumstances (Vladimir Vasutin’s health problems) they had to interrupt the expedition much earlier than scheduled. Plans for sending the first-ever expedition to the Salyut-7 station, staffed exclusively by female astronauts, also failed. 21 November 1985 of the year Vasyutin, Volkov and Savinykh returned to earth.



For the expedition to Salyut-7, Viktor Savinykh, who by this time had already had a flight into space, received the second Golden Star of the Hero of the Soviet Union. Vladimir Dzhanibekov was twice a Hero of the Soviet Union, and he was not given more than two stars to astronauts. Therefore, Dzhanibekov was awarded the Order of Lenin and assigned another military rank - Major General Aviation.

After returning from Salyut-7, Vladimir Dzhanibekov to 1985-1988. commanded a cosmonaut detachment at the Yuri Gagarin Cosmonaut Training Center, and then, from 1988 to 1997. headed the Department of Theoretical and Research Training of the Cosmonauts Training Center named after Yu. A. Gagarin. In 1997, he became a professor-consultant in the department of space physics and ecology of the radiophysical faculty of Tomsk State University.

Victor Savinykh from 7 to 17 on June 1988 of the year made his third space flight in a crew with commander Anatoly Soloviev and Bulgarian cosmonaut Alexander Alexandrov. In the same year 1988, Viktor Petrovich was elected rector of Moscow State University of Geodesy and Cartography (MIIGAiK) and held this position until 2007 year - almost twenty years, and in 2007 year he was approved by the president of MIIGAiK. A well-known scientist, Victor Savinykh made a great contribution to the development of the space industry and space sciences. At the same time, Viktor Petrovich is no stranger to social and political activities. Back in 1989-1992. he was a people's deputy of the USSR, then became president of the Association of Russian Universities, and in March 2011 he was elected a deputy to the Legislative Assembly of the Kirov Region.

The expedition to the Salyut-7 station and the performance of repair work on it was one of the most striking triumphs in the history of Soviet cosmonautics, and the cosmonauts Dzhanibekov and Savinykh demonstrated to the world the dedication and highest professional skill of the Soviet specialists.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 23 October 2017 06: 26
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    Thank you for the article ... But not for the film .. A low bow to Dzhanibekov and Savinyh ..
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 23 October 2017 09: 02
      +3
      Loved the story. Thank!!! Our --- heroes !!!!!!!! Our --- well done !!!!!!! Although I am interested in this topic, I have not yet reached the "Salute-7".
      1. Proxima
        Proxima 23 October 2017 09: 25
        +6
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Loved the story. Thank!!! Our --- heroes !!!!!!!! Our --- well done !!!!!!! Although I am interested in this topic, I have not yet reached the "Salute-7".

        How selflessly they rescued Salyut-7 and how mediocre, they treacherously said goodbye to the Mir station. To say that this is stupidity and political sabotage is to say nothing.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 23 October 2017 09: 37
          +5
          Quote: Proxima
          that this is stupidity and political sabotage, it means to say nothing.

          Many of the events that took place after the 90s should be called political sabotage, but this does not mean that you can not be interested in what happened under socialism. This is our story to be proud of.
          1. Proxima
            Proxima 23 October 2017 11: 15
            +1
            Quote: Reptiloid
            Quote: Proxima
            that this is stupidity and political sabotage, it means to say nothing.

            Many of the events that took place after the 90s should be called political sabotage, but this does not mean that you can not be interested in what happened under socialism. This is our story to be proud of.
            That's it! If the "responsible comrades" who made an irresponsible decision to liquidate the Mir station knew the salvation history of Salyut-7, which was committed to the limit of technological and human capabilities, then something might have skipped a beat when they signed such a treacherous disposal.
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 23 October 2017 12: 18
              +7
              Quote: Proxima
              If the "responsible comrades" who made an irresponsible decision to liquidate the Mir station knew the salvation history of Salyut-7, which was committed to the limit of technological and human capabilities, then something might have skipped a beat when they signed such a treacherous disposal.

              The responsible comrades knew everything. And we better understood the difference between a station that served 3 years and a station that served 15 years.
              Or did you forget that a critical crash on Salute-7 occurred in 1985, and it was launched in 1982?
              1. tomket
                tomket 26 October 2017 14: 28
                +2
                Quote: Alexey RA
                And much better than we understood the difference between the station that served the 3 of the year and the station that served the 15 of the year.

                Well, the ISS has been in operation since 1998; almost 20 years have been obtained. Something is not heard calls for flooding and moaning that is outdated.
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 23 October 2017 12: 05
          10
          Quote: Proxima
          How selflessly they rescued Salyut-7 and how mediocre, they treacherously said goodbye to the Mir station. To say that this is stupidity and political sabotage is to say nothing.

          I’m embarrassed to ask - what is treacherous in flooding the station in 2001, which was planned to be replaced in 1994? The very station whose developer refused to renew the resource for the fourth time.
          Stupidity and political sabotage is to send a crew to a station that is out of date, servicing and repairing which from previous crews took 2,5 times longer than the main activity - scientific experiments.
          1. Proxima
            Proxima 23 October 2017 13: 37
            +6
            Quote: Alexey RA
            I’m embarrassed to ask - what is treacherous in flooding the station in 2001, which was planned to be replaced in 1994? The very station whose developer refused to renew the resource for the fourth time.

            NOT EVERYTHING IS SO SIMPLE, DEAR. In hindsight, you can come up with any arguments to whitewash yourself. Here you can conduct a whole "journalistic investigation" (amateurishly of course, but still). Almost all domestic scientists reacted very negatively to the decision to flood the ACS. The Mir station is not only the history and pride of the Russian cosmonautics. This is 241 devices with a total weight of more than 11 tons. Among them are such unique ones as, for example, plants for growing single crystals or space greenhouses, where the first crops of space wheat were obtained. To make new devices of this size and deliver them to the ISS in our country is now beyond the power.
            All the world's material scientists are concerned about the question of how long the materials and construction of the station nodes will last in space. This data is necessary, among other things, for the construction of the ISS - it is impossible to replace it with any computer simulation! By the way, the real rate of degradation of Mira materials turned out to be much lower than the calculated one. Specialists from RSC Energia extended the life of the station for another 3-4 years. There was poor electronics at the station, but it could be replaced ... However, all these arguments rested only on one, but the "iron" counterargument - there is no money in the country for regular flights of "trucks" with fuel ...
            Back in the summer of 2000, a project to save the station was submitted to RSC Energia. In parallel, a similar (!) Project came from a designer from the All-Russian Research Institute of Electromechanics Rudolf Bihman - and got lost somewhere in the desks of officials from the cosmonautics ..
            Maybe the fact is that the unwritten taboo was imposed on changing the decision already taken at a different level?
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 23 October 2017 14: 31
              +5
              Quote: Proxima
              The Mir station is not only the history and pride of the Russian cosmonautics. This is 241 devices with a total weight of more than 11 tons. Among them are such unique ones as, for example, plants for growing single crystals or space greenhouses, where the first crops of space wheat were obtained.

              And also this is a failure of the air conditioning system due to cracks in the pipes (no one expected 11 years of operation), 1 fire and 2 collisions of the station with Soyuz and Progress. The consequences of the latter could not be eliminated - the sealing of the Spectrum module, which provided 40% of the station’s energy, was not restored.
              Quote: Proxima
              Specialists from RSC Energia extended the life of the station for another 3-4 years. There was poor electronics at the station, but it could be replaced ...

              "Bad electronics" is a system of motion control, crew thermal management, power supply and on-board measurements. To replace them, it was only necessary to disassemble half of the station.
              Plus, do not forget about mechanical problems in the same air conditioning system - yok tube.
              You know, when the crew spends 70% of the time on the repair of the station, and 30% on science is already a diagnosis.
              1. E_V_N
                E_V_N 26 October 2017 08: 16
                +2
                Do not forget, the station was modular, the original idea was in the "eternal station", this "eternity" was provided by replacing failed and obsolete modules. Another question is that, as always, "there was no money" to replace the modules
      2. Severomor
        Severomor 23 October 2017 11: 27
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        Quote: Reptiloid
        Loved the story. Thank!!!

        read "Notes from the Dead Station" Savinykh V.P. you will not regret

        Earth: “First sensation? What temperature? "

        V. Dzhanibekov: “Batters, brothers!”

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    2. Vend
      Vend 23 October 2017 10: 22
      +1
      Quote: 210ox
      Thank you for the article ... But not for the film .. A low bow to Dzhanibekov and Savinyh ..

      And what is wrong with the film. I did not watch, so it is interesting to know the opinion of the one who watched.
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 23 October 2017 10: 42
        +5
        Dzhanibekov and Savitsky looked and did not praise ...
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 23 October 2017 10: 47
        +4
        Quote: Wend
        And what is wrong with the film. I did not watch, so it is interesting to know the opinion of the one who watched.

        laughing And nobody watched him. but all against !!! And the most interesting thing, it’s against not because the film is bad, but because under the USSR there were better films, “Solitary swimming” for example (for me, this is a failed copy of Rambo wassat but some walked three times and are still dying repeat ) hi
        1. Alex_59
          Alex_59 23 October 2017 14: 51
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          Quote: Serg65
          "Single swimming" for example (for me it is a failed copy of Rambo, but some walked three times and are still dying)

          For example, I am bleeding. :-)) And also "In the zone of special attention" and "Return move." Cool movie. But you need to watch it with the understanding that this is a movie. And the reality is completely different. When you accept this thought, it looks with a bang.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 23 October 2017 14: 54
            +2
            Quote: Alex_59
            But you need to watch it with the understanding that this movie

            laughing So I'm talking about that!
            hi Hello Alexey
          2. andrewkor
            andrewkor 23 October 2017 17: 32
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            I was lucky working in Moscow, and the "Zone ..." and ".. Progress" almost saw the premiere!
          3. Vend
            Vend 23 October 2017 18: 20
            +1
            Quote: Alex_59
            Quote: Serg65
            "Single swimming" for example (for me it is a failed copy of Rambo, but some walked three times and are still dying)

            For example, I am bleeding. :-)) And also "In the zone of special attention" and "Return move." Cool movie. But you need to watch it with the understanding that this is a movie. And the reality is completely different. When you accept this thought, it looks with a bang.

            There was such a film "Return from Orbit" 1983 of the Year "An accident occurs in the orbiting space station due to a meteor shower, which causes the ship commander to be seriously wounded. It must be urgently brought to Earth and continued testing. Only the Kuznetsov-Mukhin crew can do this , preparing for flight for many years "...
        2. SevaNikolaev
          SevaNikolaev 23 October 2017 21: 22
          0
          Compare Ramba and OP ..... oh, or cry, or laugh ....
          1. Vend
            Vend 24 October 2017 10: 21
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            Quote: SevaNikolaev
            Compare Ramba and OP ..... oh, or cry, or laugh ....

            I would not compare completely different films and concepts.
      3. thinker
        thinker 23 October 2017 11: 33
        +1
        I watched, so to say - a youth blockbuster, fantasies on the topic of real space flight.
        For mat-vey
        Dzhanibekov and Savitsky looked and did not praise
        Victor Savinykh
        - The film is good, entertaining, people will definitely like it. I especially want to note the remarkable image quality of space, weightlessness: computer grammar recreates the scope and beauty of the sky.

        https://www.novayagazeta.ru/articles/2017/10/07/7
        4107-kuvalda-podvig-i-sigareta
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 23 October 2017 12: 06
          +2
          - During the filming, we with the head of the Mission Control Center made a lot of comments. They wanted to treat the cosmonautics more coastally - so that there wasn’t such that they break a wall with a sledgehammer. The script, as I understand it, was created from the book Notes from the Dead Station. I’m not saying what needs to be done as I wrote, maybe for the film it’s possible to embellish something. But not so rude and implausible.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 23 October 2017 13: 26
            +2
            Quote: mat-vey
            But not so rude and implausible.

            How many feature films will you name where "so rude and implausible"?
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 23 October 2017 14: 02
              +3
              This Savitsky said, and specify with him ... although of course he may not know what about the work to save the station - it is necessary to ask other more knowledgeable ones ..
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 23 October 2017 14: 29
                +2
                Quote: mat-vey
                This Savitsky said, he also specify

                Koment under the heading of mat-vey, Savitsky did not write, but you, so I ask you exactly YOU, tell me a true Soviet film?
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 23 October 2017 14: 36
                  0
                  It’s certainly nice that you are confusing me with Savitsky, but I couldn’t do it "- During the filming, the head of the Mission Control Center and I made a lot of comments." .... So again - This is Savitsky said, check with him ... although of course he may not know what about the work to save the station - you need to ask other more knowledgeable ones.
                  1. Serg65
                    Serg65 23 October 2017 14: 42
                    +2
                    Quote: mat-vey
                    .So again

                    Well again, so again!
                    Quote: mat-vey
                    - During the filming, we with the head of the Mission Control Center made a lot of comments. They wanted to treat the cosmonautics more coastally - so that there wasn’t such that they break a wall with a sledgehammer. The script, as I understand it, was created from the book Notes from the Dead Station. I’m not saying what needs to be done as I wrote, maybe for the film it’s possible to embellish something. But not so rude and implausible.

                    Nickname is your mat-vey or Savitsky ???? If yours, then you brought Sovitsky’s words for what purpose?
                    1. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 23 October 2017 14: 50
                      0
                      mat-vey 2 Today, 10:42 ↑
                      Dzhanibekov and Savitsky looked and did not praise ...

                      1
                      thinker Today, 11:33 ↑
                      I watched, so to say - a youth blockbuster, fantasies on the topic of real space flight.
                      For mat-vey
                      Dzhanibekov and Savitsky looked and did not praise
                      Victor Savinykh
                      - The film is good, entertaining, people will definitely like it. I especially want to note the remarkable image quality of space, weightlessness: computer grammar recreates the scope and beauty of the sky.

                      https://www.novayagazeta.ru/articles/2017/10/07/7
                      4107-kuvalda-podvig-i-sigareta
                      mat-vey 2 Today, 12:06 ↑
                      - During the filming, we with the head of the Mission Control Center made a lot of comments. They wanted to treat the cosmonautics more coastally - so that there wasn’t such that they break a wall with a sledgehammer. The script, as I understand it, was created from the book Notes from the Dead Station. I’m not saying what needs to be done as I wrote, maybe for the film it’s possible to embellish something. But not so rude and implausible.
                      Why did you study to read?
                      1. Serg65
                        Serg65 23 October 2017 14: 56
                        +2
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        Why did you study to read?

                        So your opinion is netut? !!! Poorly!
                    2. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 23 October 2017 15: 01
                      +1
                      And where does my opinion, if it was about the opinion of a direct participant in the events? Or do you just support the conversation?
                      1. Alex_59
                        Alex_59 23 October 2017 15: 46
                        +4
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        And where does my opinion, if it was about the opinion of a direct participant in the events?

                        And having an opinion makes a person a person. Won what. Is the film an art? Yes. So it allows a certain amount of imagination to the detriment of realism, but in favor of entertainment. (because the reality is so boring that no one will watch - why? And so we see every day). Then the next question arises - how do we determine when the amount of fiction is enough, and when there is overkill? Everyone decides for himself (if he has his own opinion). For example, in the most beautiful film "They Fought for the Motherland" tanks hit the fire from a PTR bullet. I consider this a trifle, because the quality of the film and the play of the actors more than cover this annoying blooper. But in Mikhalkov’s “entrances” the amount of cranberries and idiocy is such that the sluggish acting and the shitty plot do not outweigh, but only drown the film completely.
                        As for the "Salute-7". If the number of bullshit in Mikhalkovskoye “Predstoyanie” is taken as 100%, and “They fought for the Homeland” for 0%, then in “Salute” I think this level is somewhere 20-30%. And given the general cultural depressiveness of the era in which we live (Bondarchuk is not the same, and that Bondarchuk will no longer be), I think that Salute can be safely rated 4. After the "Entrances", "Bastards", "Battles for Sevastopol" is definitely a step forward, although not big.
                2. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 23 October 2017 16: 02
                  +1
                  The ability not only to see letters, but also to understand the words into which they form allows people to exchange information and understand each other ... And I didn’t have any questions for your answers ...
                  Maybe the meaning will not reach you again, but still again - if the direct participant in the events says that the film does not convey either the spirit or the details of events about which the film is not necessary about "real events" ... better shoot another "Gravity" or "Watch" .... Although yes, your opinion is of course ....
                  1. Vend
                    Vend 24 October 2017 13: 31
                    +1
                    Quote: mat-vey
                    if a direct participant in the events says that the film does not convey the spirit or details of events about which the film is not necessary about the "real events" ... it’s better to shoot the next "Gravity" or "Watch" .... Although yes, your opinion is of course. ...
                    The problem is that modern directors and actors do not understand that era. And the deeper the film’s penetration into the past, the more mediocre it becomes. There is no understanding of the era by the director and the penetration of actors in the era. This does not apply to the film Salute, I have not seen it, but I have seen enough of the modern historical opuses Viking, Battalion, Ballad of a Bomber, and so on. However, there are masterpieces "Legend No. 17." On occasion, I will look Salute.
        2. VS
          VS 23 October 2017 13: 06
          +2
          "" I especially want to note the wonderful image quality of space ""

          and what does the movie have to do with real events? In reality - the astronauts and the pulse did not increase - the men just did their job and judging by the commercials in the movie, the characters would wipe you out as stupid people))) they tear the doors out, why, you’re attacking apparently idiocy .... something explodes )) and the picture of the cosmos - yes, yes - we learned how to draw this before)))
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 23 October 2017 14: 06
            +9
            Duc Savitsky and Dzhanibekov seem to say so - beautifully, technically, but it’s some other Salute and another USSR which in reality wasn’t .. and the frightening astronaut is not even a fantasy - it’s Dostal’s “Shtrafbat” in space ..
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 23 October 2017 14: 27
              +2
              Quote: mat-vey
              another USSR which in reality was not

              laughing 85% of Soviet films about the Union. which was not!
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 23 October 2017 14: 38
                0
                Well, I hope that "Salute - 7" was and Savitsky and Danibekov flew there. Do you have any doubts, objections?
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 23 October 2017 14: 44
                  +2
                  Quote: mat-vey
                  Well, I hope that "Salute - 7" was and Savitsky and Danibekov flew there. Do you have any doubts, objections?

                  Are we talking about a movie or a station ???
                  1. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 23 October 2017 14: 52
                    0
                    Are we talking about a film or about “Soviet cinema art” in general? If the discussed film about the Salyut-7 station and Savitsky and Dzhanibekov have a direct relation to those events ...
              2. E_V_N
                E_V_N 26 October 2017 08: 33
                +1
                Quote: Serg65
                Quote: mat-vey
                another USSR which in reality was not

                laughing 85% of Soviet films about the Union. which was not!

                I do not agree with you, in Soviet films, of course, they rounded sharp corners, but the general spirit of society was conveyed truthfully. There was pride in the country, there were feats in the name of the people, there was also a belief that we were building a bright future. They went to the virgin lands and BAM not only for a long ruble, but often just for romance. Take the film "Height", that is how my parents lived and felt the era, they loved this film very much and said that it was their youth. But lies are not called youth.
      4. lazy
        lazy 23 October 2017 18: 03
        +4
        Beautiful Hollywood Cranberries. Let's start with the fact that the protagonists changed their names and surnames (could then call the station otherwise and there would be alternative fiction). the flight engineer is played by an actor who previously played only idiots in comedies. An urgent flight to the station is needed because the Americans can hang it on the challenger, and the top leadership is shown in the Hollywood way “evil generals” ready to bring down the station with the crew, there are so many water at the station it looks like there was a pool there, further fantasy in general, a fire at the union, which is extinguished by depressurization, the flight engineer burns so it’s not clear how his prototype flew for so many more days, the repair with a sledgehammer reminded the movie Armageddon. but the picture keeps super energized, they wouldn’t write about real events, there were no complaints. I've looked at the geo-storm, I know that fantastic nonsense and I have no complaints
      5. Igor Polovodov
        Igor Polovodov 23 October 2017 21: 25
        0
        A good film, with its charm, and subtle semantic parcels ... This film adaptation can be considered a good therapeutic attack on the side of partners, and they have nothing to parry such a blow! and Hollywood cliches are weaker and more primitive! And it is considered very clear!
      6. Ren
        Ren 24 October 2017 13: 09
        +2
        Quote: Wend
        And what is wrong with the film. I did not watch, so it is interesting to know the opinion of the one who watched.

        I went to watch with the children ...
        Specialist. the effects are at their best, but the moral character of the astronauts and the technological level of the USSR screenwriters and directors deliberately tried to humiliate and denigrate:
        1. The astronauts smoked at the station, lighting it with open fire.
        2. The astronauts used vodka at the station.
        3. The main working tool for repairing the station was a sledgehammer.
        There was much more, but this is the most humiliating! negative
  2. XII Legion
    XII Legion 23 October 2017 07: 24
    18
    The feat of the Soviet cosmonauts Vladimir Dzhanibekov and Viktor Savinykh is one of the most remarkable pages in the history of Russian cosmonautics

    Yes, the page of space courage
    And the real film would not hurt to shoot.
    Interestingly
    Thank you
    1. verner1967
      verner1967 23 October 2017 07: 28
      +7
      Quote: XII Legion
      And the real film would not hurt to shoot.

      Straight without a sledgehammer and a cockroach? Well this is not aesthetically pleasing laughing
      1. XII Legion
        XII Legion 23 October 2017 07: 31
        17
        But historical and practical)
        Hanks and his comrades in "Apollo" are shot without Thanksgiving turkey and a large white star on their foreheads. And nothing - we believe))
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 23 October 2017 09: 10
          0
          Yeah, staff! What their filthy hands can’t reach --- they can neither eat nor shit according to the RULES at the station !!! And a fragment of their "Apollo" still revolves around the Earth ...
    2. Amurets
      Amurets 23 October 2017 07: 59
      +4
      Quote: XII Legion
      Yes, the page of space courage

      And how many pages of cosmic courage do we not know? Emergency landing of spacecraft Vosskhod-2 in the Yakut taiga. There were also failures and the death of astronauts. It seems to me that A. Zheleznyakov best told about this in his book.
      "Alexander Zheleznyakov
      Secrets of rocket disasters. Space Break Fee
      From the author

      Before the reader turns the first page of this book, a few words about why not everyone is interested in the topic of accidents and catastrophes of rocket and space technology.

      Firstly, I have devoted many years to studying this issue and I hope that knowing the causes of the breakdown of complex technical devices will help reduce the number of such incidents in the future. And if so, then some of the information provided in the book may be useful for today's developers of space technology and for those who will create it tomorrow.

      Secondly, I want to remind once again that the creation of rocketry and space exploration is a path strewn with more than roses. However, do not fall to the other extreme and present everything exclusively in black light. Therefore, next to the tragic pages, the reader will find examples of outstanding achievements of man in the book ... "
    3. ICT
      ICT 23 October 2017 08: 03
      +4
      Quote: XII Legion
      And the real film would not hurt to shoot.

      Like it was back in Soviet times, a documentary
      just a few 2011 years saw
      1. XII Legion
        XII Legion 23 October 2017 08: 28
        16
        Meant - feature film
        The theme is beautiful.
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 23 October 2017 10: 43
          +1
          And who will shoot? Mikhalkov with Bondarchuk the Younger?
    4. Serg65
      Serg65 23 October 2017 11: 01
      +2
      Quote: XII Legion
      And the real film would not hurt to shoot.

      Documentary?
      1. XII Legion
        XII Legion 23 October 2017 12: 55
        17
        Documentary is
        Artistic - the type of "Apollo" (where Hanks in the title role)
        Почему нет?
  3. domnich
    domnich 23 October 2017 07: 42
    17
    Quote: 210ox
    But not for the movie


    But to me, as a person who has nothing to do with astronautics, I liked the film. I watched yesterday. For the first time in 20, I managed to persuade my wife to visit the cinema - I really shed tears, and then thanked me for persuading her ... The hall was repeatedly burst into applause during the film show. Probably, there were some “mistakes” for the pros, I didn’t notice anything like that in my inexperienced look. I think that there were not many cosmonauts in the hall. The audience was quite a lot, almost a full hall (80%). So look who has not yet seen. Particularly impressed with the stereo effect. For this, all viewers were given special glasses. You won’t see this on TV and on the Internet ...

    Yes, it was thanks to the film that the events of more than 30 years ago became so widely known, and the astronauts V.A. Dzhanibekov and V.P. The Savins gained a well-deserved and truly popular "respect."
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  5. Old26
    Old26 23 October 2017 09: 09
    +3
    Quote: Amurets
    And how many pages of cosmic courage do we not know? Emergency landing of spacecraft Vosskhod-2 in the Yakut taiga. There were also failures and the death of astronauts.

    In the Perm region, Voskhod-2 landed, and not in Yakutsk. Landing really was an emergency. It was after this that Leonov turned to gunsmiths with a request to create weapons for NAZ, because he understood that he would not last long with the PM.
    And among those events that are usually not "advertised" are the emergency start of Vasily Lazarev and Oleg Makarov on Soyuz-18-1 in April 1975 and their dramatic landing in the Altai Territory. emergency start of Soyuz-T10-1 with Vladimir Titov and Gennady Strekalov on September 26, 1983. But there are few such "unknowns"
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 23 October 2017 10: 06
      +2
      Speaking about the Soviet cosmonautics, one should always know that all this was laid under Stalin at the time, which is now often tried to groan, stigmatize.
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 23 October 2017 10: 46
        +2
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Speaking about the Soviet cosmonautics, one should always know that all this was laid under Stalin at the time, which is now often tried to groan, stigmatize.

        But they don’t hesitate to shove their pockets and still gobble that for only 30 years of theft was enough ..
    2. Amurets
      Amurets 23 October 2017 11: 05
      +2
      Quote: Old26
      In the Perm region, Voskhod-2 landed, and not in Yakutsk.

      Volodya. Thanks for the amendment. I just wrote from memory and did not specify a specific place. I apologize. And I read about weapons for astronauts a long time ago. Then I saw TP-82 pistols in an arms store, but that was already in the early 2000s.
    3. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 23 October 2017 14: 11
      +4
      Quote: Old26
      because I understood that they won’t last long with PM.

      And now they fly again with PM? Or something else? TP-82 seems to have run out of ammunition ...
  6. Old26
    Old26 23 October 2017 16: 26
    +2
    Quote: mat-vey
    Duc Savitsky with Janibekov

    Savinykh, not Savitsky. Marshall at that time was already 75 years old ...

    Quote: mat-vey
    and the haggard astronaut is not even fiction

    Isn't the astronaut a man? And can not break? Guys, did you have any breakdowns (in any situation)? And did you always calmly overcome these situations? I DO NOT BELIEVE. True, you will never then mention your own hysteria, and everything in your story would be "decorum and noble." People found themselves in a supercritical situation and any breakdown could be ... Only they never talk about it

    Quote: mat-vey
    Well, I hope that "Salute - 7" was and Savitsky and Danibekov flew there. Do you have any doubts, objections?

    It calls me.

    Quote: Reptiloid
    Speaking about the Soviet cosmonautics, one should always know that all this was laid under Stalin at the time, which is now often tried to groan, stigmatize.

    Guys! let's not invent anything that was not. I respect I.V. Stalin, but he to the astronautics, ring no side. Under him, it was decided to begin work on the creation of long-range missiles, resulting in intercontinental missiles. Yes, they began to think about space flights in the early 50s, but there was nothing more than reports in the Academy of Sciences. One talking room. Even the satellite project, which was supposed to bring out a package of three P-5s, is just a scientific (explanatory) note, and not a technical project. So nothing of what was done at least in 1957 to create a satellite and LV - all this was after the death of Stalin. Under him, even the R-7 project was not yet. With the same success, we can say that when speaking about Soviet cosmonautics one must know that all this was laid down under V.I. Lenin. For he became at the helm of the state, having made the first breakthrough into space.

    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: Old26
    because I understood that they won’t last long with PM.

    And now they fly again with PM? Or something else? TP-82 seems to have run out of ammunition ...

    Unfortunately yes. Not cartridges ran out, but their warranty period. To create such a small party is very expensive, and as far as I know, the Tula people refused. There were projects to replace the TP-82 pistol with another - "Vepr" and generally completely change the NAZ, i.e. the folding knife was removed from the Naz and this is a "triangular" butt machete. They had to replace with a werewolf-2 knife and with a Taiga-2 machete. But alas, the collapse of the Union and a further mess put an end to this replacement

    And, by the way, about the sledgehammer at the station and its use in the repair. For sure, they didn’t use it on Salute-7 in this expedition, but a little earlier EMNIP on the same Salute-7 didn’t use a sledgehammer, as we understand it, but a rather big hammer, since there was a need for repairs and shifts either cable, or pipes, and its installers managed in the cable channel to pour epoxy resin for strength. And this resin with the help of a hammer, chisel and some mother and had to be removed
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 23 October 2017 17: 39
      +1
      "But is the astronaut not a man? And he cannot break loose?"
      And sorry Savinykh, but if it was with a sledgehammer, then Savitsky simply confused it because in the cinema it was with a sledgehammer ..
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 24 October 2017 17: 59
      0
      Dear Old 26! YES, Cosmos began to be mastered after the death of Stalin, which you wrote about .... But before the Second World War there was tremendous work (both theoretical and practical) on stratonautics. Although it was Stalin who in 1946 considered flight to Space at that time premature due to the consequences of the Second World War, but there were design bureaus, Kapustin Yar was built, from which the first flights into space were.
      And on February 13.02, .53, 20 days before his death, Stalin signed a document on R-7. That's what!!!!!
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 25 October 2017 06: 37
        0
        On December 4, 1950, by Decree of the Council of Ministers of the USSR, a comprehensive search research was set up on the topic H3, “Researching the Prospects for Creating Various Types of RDDs with a Flight Range of 5-10 Thousand Kilometers with a Warhead of 1-10 Ton”. - so even earlier ...
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 25 October 2017 12: 55
          0
          Well! And I did not know what before! In short, it all started with Stalin !!!!!!!!! Stalin, the founder of the nuclear missile achievements of the USSR !!!!!!
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 25 October 2017 15: 32
            0
            Just a man thought about the country and how a real statesman and strategist determined what needs to be done to survive, not only now but also in the future ..
  7. Mestny
    Mestny 23 October 2017 17: 00
    +1
    Quote: V.S.
    In reality - the astronauts and the pulse did not increase - the men just did their job and judging by the commercials in the movie, the characters would wipe you out as stupid people))) they tear the doors out, why, you’re attacking apparently idiocy .... something explodes )) and the picture of the cosmos - yes, yes - we learned how to draw this before)))

    In reality, such “insensitive robots just doing their job” are only a few. They are also rich in the minds of reenactors making films like "28 Panfilov". There, without human emotions, they all “calmly burn tanks”. (You would be there, authors ...)
    In real life, alas, the pulse rises and hysteria is possible. Another thing is that with this hysteria and pulse, one still manages to cope with the task.
    This is the deception - to tell now how everything was good in the USSR, and the heroes with a cold head worked there.
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 23 October 2017 17: 30
      +2
      Quote: Mestny
      In reality, such “insensitive robots just doing their job” are just a few

      Here "they take such astronauts" ...
  8. Old26
    Old26 23 October 2017 17: 55
    +2
    Quote: mat-vey
    Isn't the astronaut a man? And can not break? "- yes, yes, rowing everyone was interested in the astronauts, and some were grabbed right on the street ..

    Stop writing nonsense. The astronauts are people like everyone else. Yes, more stress-resistant, but there can always be situations where they can "hysteria." Moreover, not all cosmonauts are military pilots, among them there were enough civilians. And for those, the profession itself does not provide for stress situations. No one says that they are all hysterical, but in different situations they can behave differently.
    This hysteria just ends quickly, faster than normal people ..
    And when 250-280 tons of fuel explode beneath you, and "attrition" can take place. And dozens more situations. for example, when a ship barely manages to "dive" under the station - then too much could be heard on the air ...
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 23 October 2017 23: 35
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Stop writing nonsense. The astronauts are people like everyone else. Yes, more stress-resistant, but there can always be situations where they can "hysteria."

      Volodya. Hey. I totally agree with you. Not only in space, in our ordinary life, there are situations such that from the decision you make, the situation can develop in both positive and negative directions. I consider panic to be the worst, in such a situation everything is unpredictable, you don’t know how others will behave. In I. Shelest, in the book “I fly for a dream” the situation is described during the tests of the TU-16 aircraft, when the crew commander panicked and died, and the remaining crew managed to save not only themselves, but also the emergency plane. The psyche and psychology of man are unexplored things, and critical situations are everyday life in our lives. Once again, I fully support you.
    2. mat-vey
      mat-vey 25 October 2017 06: 28
      0
      You had something about "juggling" there - you seem to be a great specialist. Although, if you judge the events at Salute-7 not by the real story, but by the film, the kintz already starts to bear fruit .. Where was it about "soulless robots," in your head? With the number of people who want to become astronauts and the harsh selection criteria of that time, just "a few units." and fell into astronauts. What did the real rescue operation show ... Or do you have real information that Dzhanibekov and Saviny fought in tantrums? So pliz - to the studio ..
  9. Old26
    Old26 23 October 2017 17: 57
    0
    Quote: mat-vey
    Here "they take such astronauts" ...

    These are just "not taken into astronauts." In space, it is not a “machine” that is needed, but a man, with his thoughts and emotions ...
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 23 October 2017 18: 03
      +2
      And all the "Old" - said stress-resistant and not to take control of himself. Means not to take ... and all the psychologists on duty from the MCC out of the gate ...
  10. Old26
    Old26 23 October 2017 19: 06
    +2
    Quote: mat-vey
    And all the "Old" - said stress-resistant and not to take control of himself. Means not to take ... and all the psychologists on duty from the MCC out of the gate ...

    Maybe stop juggling ???
    Kamrad wrote -
    Quote: Mestny
    In reality, such “insensitive robots just doing their job” are only a few.


    You stated -
    Quote: mat-vey
    Here "they take such astronauts" ...


    And my answer is in support of the comrade Mestny
    Quote: Old26
    These are just "not taken into astronauts." In space, it is not a “machine” that is needed, but a man, with his thoughts and emotions ...

    And all the rest (your quote from the top of the message) is your notion. The astronauts are the same people. And with the nerves. It just might be somewhat more resistant to stress than you and I, but no more. And just like all people have the right to “hysteria” in an extremely complicated situation. Knowledgeable people say that the same German Stepanovich, after a few hours of flight, began what we are talking about. But he was able to calm down (thanks to the way they get the joint venture) and continued to do the work. All people are different. And on this part too. You should not compare in terms of stress tolerance, for example, Svetlana Savitskaya and Irina Pronin. One test pilot, initially prepared for such situations (and already with experience in test work), the other is an engineer from KB
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 25 October 2017 06: 30
      0
      Yes, the Savins and Dzhanibekov are two hysterics ... well, like in the movies and in vain they were so carefully prepared and chosen from the entire cosmonaut corps ...
  11. Des10
    Des10 23 October 2017 19: 12
    0
    The film "Salute-7" looked - and even in the "three D".
    I liked the film. Colorful, emotional and without much "action" (without flickering frames - everything is legible).
    Space, weightlessness and the station - awesome.
    The hall is almost full.
    It is only a pity that the astronauts were left only names, callsigns, but the names are different.
    There are probably some organizational and financial rules that apply.
  12. Old26
    Old26 23 October 2017 20: 31
    +1
    Quote: Des10
    The film "Salute-7" looked - and even in the "three D".
    I liked the film. Colorful, emotional and without much "action" (without flickering frames - everything is legible).
    Space, weightlessness and the station - awesome.
    The hall is almost full.
    It is only a pity that the astronauts were left only names, callsigns, but the names are different.
    There are probably some organizational and financial rules that apply.

    The film has not yet been seen, but one thing is not clear. In the film "Time of the First" - real names, why are there others. But this is the competence of the director
  13. Old26
    Old26 24 October 2017 00: 06
    +1
    Quote: Amurets
    I totally agree with you. Not only in space, in our ordinary life, there are situations such that from the decision you made, the situation can develop in both positive and negative directions.

    Hi Nikolay! The situation is completely different. And even more so in such an industry. I have already given an example. Svetlana Savitskaya and her understudy Irina Pronina. One test pilot, another department engineer at Energy. In a stressful situation, they will still behave differently. Although both are trained.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 24 October 2017 00: 24
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      In a stressful situation, they will still behave differently. Although both are trained.

      Volodya. I agree with you completely. No matter how they behave, it is important what decisions they make, right or wrong. And here Savitskaya’s experience is not always possible, it can help more than Pronina’s knowledge. It all depends on the development of the situation. Then, when I coped with the situation, there are heaps of solutions: faster, more thoughtful, but when an unforeseen situation begins to develop, you act on the machine. An understanding of the situation comes later.
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 25 October 2017 06: 32
        0
        I’m embarrassed to ask - how did the Savins and Dzhanibekov behave? Or are you talking about another "spherical in a vacuum"?
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 25 October 2017 07: 26
          0
          Quote: mat-vey
          I’m embarrassed to ask - how did the Savins and Dzhanibekov behave? Or are you talking about another "spherical in a vacuum"?

          Not about Dzhanibekov and Savinykh, but how any person will behave in a critical situation. And they are not only in space, on earth, too. This is from the field of psychology.
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 25 October 2017 07: 39
            0
            Are you by any chance not from Yamal? Just about the Savins and Dzhanibekov, or rather about the fact that astronauts do not take "any people", but they select them very carefully ..
  14. Some kind of compote
    Some kind of compote 24 October 2017 13: 39
    15
    The expedition to the Salyut-7 station and repair work on it became one of the most striking triumphs in the history of Soviet cosmonautics

    So exactly
  15. Old26
    Old26 24 October 2017 19: 11
    +2
    Quote: Reptiloid
    Dear Old 26! YES, Cosmos began to be mastered after the death of Stalin, which you wrote about .... But before the Second World War there was tremendous work (both theoretical and practical) on stratonautics. Although it was Stalin who in 1946 considered flight to Space at that time premature due to the consequences of the Second World War, but there were design bureaus, Kapustin Yar was built, from which the first flights into space were.
    And on February 13.02, .53, 20 days before his death, Stalin signed a document on R-7. That's what!!!!!

    Comrad. Yes, indeed there were a lot of theoretical and practical works on stratonautics. There were works on missile topics. Nobody argues with this. Stratonautics can be a stepping stone in the further development of astronautics. Like flights of geophysical rockets. But I simply do not agree with the thesis that everything that is in astronautics was laid down under Stalin. He is already a politician of the first magnitude and it is not worthwhile to ascribe to him in the appendage what he did not have a hand in as a leader. In any other case, call any previous leader the founder and initiator.
    Thanks to Stalin, the development of nuclear weapons and missile weapons became paramount. There is no doubt about it. It is enough to read the published documents (Decisions of the Council of Ministers and the Central Committee).
    Yes, Kapyar was also built, but in those years it was built as a rocket range. And he worked as a rocket range until the launch of the first satellites from the range, and this is March 16.03.1962, XNUMX.
    But about the fact that on February 13, 1953, I.V., Stalin signed a document on the R-7 - here I strongly disagree with you. On this day, Stalin signed a document on the beginning of work on research, which was called "Theme T-I" Theoretical and experimental studies on the creation of a two-stage ballistic missile with a flight range of 7000-8000 km ". And this is not a R-7 rocket. The decree on the creation of the P-7 was signed on May 20, 1954.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 25 October 2017 19: 46
      0
      Good evening, Old26! Just now I saw your comment. I have several books by A. Pervushin on this topic. On the role of Stalin. Books are bought and read, and the author is respected. True, I have read one so far. About stratonautics. Also I read articles by Pavel Krasnov, where R-7 was mentioned, about the document. I will read the document you mention.
      I remain of my opinion. I just have to try to read more. Yes, the decision of the Central Committee of the CPSU of the Council of Ministers of the USSR was signed on May 20, 1954, as I read in W. in the article "P-7". However, in 1953 a conceptual design was developed, in October the mass of the warhead was increased by order V.A. Malysheva. What preceded the signing of the resolution on May 20. This wikipedia article does not really say about 13. 02. 53. I will look for others.
  16. Old26
    Old26 25 October 2017 21: 49
    0
    Quote: Reptiloid
    Good evening, Old26! Just now I saw your comment. I have several books by A. Pervushin on this topic. On the role of Stalin. Books are bought and read, and the author is respected. True, I have read one so far. About stratonautics. Also I read articles by Pavel Krasnov, where R-7 was mentioned, about the document. I will read the document you mention.
    I remain of my opinion. I just have to try to read more. Yes, the decision of the Central Committee of the CPSU of the Council of Ministers of the USSR was signed on May 20, 1954, as I read in W. in the article "P-7". However, in 1953 a conceptual design was developed, in October the mass of the warhead was increased by order V.A. Malysheva. What preceded the signing of the resolution on May 20. This wikipedia article does not really say about 13. 02. 53. I will look for others.


    Unfortunately, the history of astronautics is still waiting for its chronicler. Although there are people who voluntarily took upon themselves this difficult work. This is A. Zheleznyakov, Vadim Lukashevich, Igor Afanasyev. In general, for starters, read Boris Chertok’s four-volume “Rockets and People”. Kamanin diaries ("Hidden Space").
    Pervushin is interesting, but he is a popularizer. But some of his books are at least controversial.
    Generally speaking, cosmonautics should not forget purely rocket technology. An interesting book by Karpenko on Soviet strategic missiles. I can advise you to search the web for a collection of documents of the Politburo (declassified). As for astronautics. There are a lot of materials. The main thing is to be able to use them. Some of them are of historical interest in terms of the development of astronautics. Part - modern materials
    Below, a far from complete list of resources

    And Zheleznyakov "Encyclopedia of Cosmonautics"
    http://www.cosmoworld.ru/ и
    http://www.pereplet.ru/space

    "Episodes of Cosmonautics"
    http://epizodsspace.airbase.ru/

    Also called "Episodes of Cosmonautics", With a very good library
    http://www.epizodsspace.narod.ru/index.html

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%
    D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BC%D0%B8%
    D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85_%D0%B7%D0%B0%
    D0%BF%D1%83%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2
    Do not look that Wikipedia. A very good resource. My advice, see not only the Russian, but also the English version. There are differences. English is more complete.

    There is a resource http://space.skyrocket.de/
    There is http://astronaut.ru/
    There is http://www.russianspaceweb.com
    There is an encyclopedia of Mark Wade. There are a lot of things. Lots of. Some of these publications open the veil of secrecy that enveloped and envelops the astronautics. Of course you will learn a lot of interesting things in personal communication, but alas, this is in the past. There are only photos in the archive ... what

    There is a resource http://www.buran.ru/. there, in addition to materials on ships, there are good publications of books by various authors. But these are authors who worked in the system
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 25 October 2017 23: 14
      0
      Thank you for the list of references, Old26. I will gradually read.
  17. Old26
    Old26 25 October 2017 23: 19
    +1
    Quote: Reptiloid
    Thank you for the list of references, Old26. I will gradually read.

    It's my pleasure. I'll look for some more, there were footnotes somewhere. But I recommend reading the books of the same Chertok or Kamanin in the first place. And declassified decrees are also interesting ...
  18. Old26
    Old26 26 October 2017 21: 29
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    Quote: tomket
    Well, the ISS has been in operation since 1998, it has been obtained for almost 20 years. Something is not heard calls for flooding and moaning that is outdated

    You just did not catch your eye. They write that they are already outdated, that it must be eliminated. They even called the deadline - EMNIP 2022-2025 year. True, in the same place as with Mir. Different modules at different times.