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Tokyo rips off “rose-colored glasses” from Moscow: “Japanese Ashores” “play” strategically

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Antenna post MRLS AN / SPY-1D (V) and universal vertical PU Mk 41 VLS complex "Aegis Ashore" - a kind of Ticonderoga class cruisers in the ground version



With great curiosity and a certain degree of concern, we all continue to monitor the transfer of NATO and US military alliance units to our borders in the Baltic and Balkan operational areas. It is absolutely clear that in the event of an escalation of a major regional conflict, our VKS and SV are fully capable of drowning the enemy in battles on the border with Belarus and the Kaliningrad region, inflicting "beheading" strikes with all known modifications of Iskander and using the entire available potential of high-precision front-line bombers Su- 34. Nevertheless, in certain areas of the Eastern European theater of military operations, the coalition is able to achieve some success, and this cannot but strain. So, the upcoming transfer to Latvia of a mixed helicopter army air wing from 76 rotary-wing vehicles represents a very serious threat to both the Belarusian and the Russian army. And the matter here is not at all in the impressive total number of helicopters in the army “backbone” from Texas, but directly in its composition: 24 attack helicopters AH-64D “Apache Longbow”, which is about 1 / 3 from the entire fleet of aircraft, 12 military transport “Chinook” and 40 multipurpose Black Hawk UH-60 in various modifications, including medical versions and versions for fire support for MTR.

The Apaches, even in the number of 12-16 machines, are capable of delivering a lot of trouble to the Russian Armed Forces in the Baltic sector of East European theater of operations, because during a military conflict this section of the airspace will be rife with a huge amount of air attack weapons (these are also Tomahawks launched from British MAPL, and tactical ALCM JASSM-ER, launched from the Polish F-16C Block), the tracking and targeting of which will be used to divert almost all radar facilities of the Russian Aerospace Forces. Plus, in future conflicts, drones will be used to their full potential - false targets / EPR simulators ADM-160C MALD-J and EW facilities. Because of the speed of detecting and destroying the following terrain, the AH-64D will be very difficult.

It turns out that the operators of most of the mobile air defense systems deployed in the border zone (Tor-M1 / 2, Pantsir-C1, etc.) will be tasked with both repelling the MRAU and destroying enemy attack helicopters; Such a “burden” can become unbearable, especially if the air zone of responsibility of one ZRSK battery simultaneously has several dozen elements of high precision weapons. Moreover, do not forget that the Apaches will be able to use not only obsolete AGM-114L anti-tank missiles with single-channel Ka-band radar seekers (it is not difficult to suppress them with interference), but also promising multi-purpose JAGM missiles equipped with a 3-band based seeker infrared / active radar / semi-active laser channels. The missile has a 2,5 - 3 times greater radius of action (28 km) and the highest noise immunity, which indicates the need to equip most Russian tanks active protection complexes. AH-64D pilots equipped with JAGM missiles will be able to attack the Tor-M2U self-propelled anti-aircraft missile systems and the Pantsir-C1 anti-aircraft missile and artillery systems outside their radius of action, and therefore these attack helicopters at our air borders cannot be underestimated .

We will move to the Asia-Pacific region, where, "under the guise of" the tension generated by Washington around North Korea’s missile and nuclear programs, the United States and its allies are building a powerful defensive base against China and the Russian Federation in the Pacific strategic direction. There is no desire to analyze the situation with Russia's blind support of the Western "sanction rink" in relation to Pyongyang. These “partners” will very soon involve our state in a total military confrontation both in Europe and in the Middle East, and we have all the “preoccupations, sanctions” and other softness. It is much more important now to consider the situation around the accelerated militarization of Japan, as well as assess its consequences for Russia and China in the near and far perspectives.

The results of the September bilateral talks between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, at first glance, became a kind of starting point for reaching a new level of relations between states. In particular, between the leaders of the countries an agreement was reached on the conclusion of a “peace treaty”, which has not been ratified since the Second World War. Shinzo Abe described the situation as "abnormal" and announced the November consultations on the issue of a "peace treaty" to be held during the summit of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation in Vietnam. Moreover, the start was given to cooperation on numerous projects, among which are such areas as: wind power, development of package tourist tours, aquaculture, etc. Also, the Russian side extremely facilitated the Japanese citizens the procedure of passing the border control to visit the burial places of relatives in the South Kuril Islands. But all these steps are an extremely distracting maneuver from the militarization program that is being implemented by the Japanese Ministry of Defense in order to preserve the dominance of the US Navy over the Pacific Fleet and the Chinese Navy in the northwestern Pacific Ocean.

The next stage of such a noticeable expansion of the combat potential of the Self-Defense Forces of Japan is the plan to purchase a large number of RIM-174 ERAM (SM-6) ultra-long-range anti-aircraft guided missile interceptors, which will be equipped with the ground forces of the Congo and Atago UROs, and later universal vertical launchers Mk 41 VLS anti-aircraft / anti-missile / multifunctional complexes "Aegis Ashore". According to information from a source in the Japanese government, Tokyo plans to deploy Aegis Ashor 2 complex in the country before 2024 year for the likely interception of Chinese strategic cruise missiles DF-10 and numerous modifications of long-range tactical cruise missiles of China and the Chinese Air Force. The defensive goals of the development of “Ashorov” in Japan are officially justified by the continuing territorial disputes between Tokyo and Beijing regarding the ownership of the Senkaku archipelago (Diaoyudao), and therefore a major escalation in the Asia-Pacific Region may flare up. The non-sounding goal is to give the US armed forces additional defensive and strike capabilities in the Far Eastern region, in close proximity to the Chinese and Russian air zones A2 / AD over the East China and Okhotsk seas.

The Aegis Ashore missile arsenals, although officially considered anti-ballistic missiles, can quickly be converted to strike options. In particular, it is known about the development of an anti-ship / multi-purpose modification of an ultra-long-range anti-aircraft guided missile RIM-174 ERAM. Thanks to the use of the most powerful starting stage Mk 72, as well as the dual-mode marching engine Mk 104, which accelerates the second (combat) stage to 3,7 - 4M, a ballistic flight path with a top point of more than 35 km can provide a range of action on a surface target of 320 - 380 km. After modernization, the radius of action can approach 450 - 500 km, due to which the Ashors will be able to reach not only the surface warships of the Pacific fleet Russian Navy in the Sea of ​​Japan, but also to the coastline of the Primorsky Territory. In other words, a powerful strike missile system is being deployed at our eastern borders, the capabilities of which will require immediate strengthening of the anti-aircraft component of the Pacific Fleet (a pair of corvettes, pr. 20380 and RKR “Varyag” is hardly enough here).

The defensive qualities of the Japanese Aegis Ashore will not be based on the AN / SPY-1D (V) main radar, since it can not even theoretically be able to target against our and Chinese cruise missiles at a distance of more than 35 - 42 km (due to radio horizon). “All weather” here will make advanced numerous aircraft fleet of aircraft for early warning radar and control of the Air Forces of Japan self-defense. Heavy E-767S aircraft in the number of 4 machines, as well as 13 lightweight E-2C / D "Hawkeye / Advanced Hawkeye" will be able to view all the objects that are “beyond the control of” the ground AN / SPY-1D in Japan ( V); then targeting will be sent directly to the SM-6 launched from a ground installation via the radio link-16.

Given the geography of the region, as well as a large number of aerial reconnaissance assets, the whole Agnis Ashor 3 batteries are capable of covering the most strategically important facilities in Japan. At the beginning of the 20's the situation will become even more dangerous, as it is already known that Ashora deployed in Japan will also be equipped with SM-3 Block IIA promising exo-atmospheric interceptors for effectively intercepting enemy intercontinental ballistic missiles at altitudes over 500 km. In addition to the fact that these missiles will significantly weaken the strike capabilities of our Strategic Missile Forces and the 2 of the Chinese Artillery Corps in the Pacific strategic direction, they can also be reprogrammed into the medium-range ballistic missile regime. Such products will be able to reach Komsomolsk-on-Amur, as well as the southern and central provinces of the PRC in a matter of minutes. Only the fact that the SM-3 anti-missile shock percussion in the percussion version cannot accommodate the complex of anti-missile defense systems used by full-fledged MRBMs and ICBMs calms, therefore, it will be noticeable to intercept it using modern C-300B4 and C-400 air defense missiles simplified.

Information sources:
http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/4655309
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/sm-6/sm-6.shtml
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  1. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 20 October 2017 06: 41
    +7
    Wow! Another warning to Russia that it is necessary to keep the gunpowder dry? Thank you, we were encouraged that we have something to answer. What is Japan's reason to attack Russia? What would the Kuril Islands be taken away? So we pull them there, almost by force. They but they know that by attacking us, in general, they will lose Japan as a state.
    1. Titsen
      Titsen 20 October 2017 06: 52
      22
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      Wow! Another warning to Russia that it is necessary to keep the gunpowder dry? Thank you, we were encouraged that we have something to answer. What is Japan's reason to attack Russia? What would the Kuril Islands be taken away? So we pull them there, almost by force. They but they know that by attacking us, in general, they will lose Japan as a state.


      The mattresses do not care what will happen to their satellites.

      And the music is ordered by Mattresses, and moreover, the expense of money in Japan!

      Aerobatics!

      We must send to the Matrassia the aliens so that they break the printing press!
      1. 210ox
        210ox 20 October 2017 09: 28
        16
        It is necessary to cover the access to our good politicians and money bag to support this "printing press"
        Quote: Titsen
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        Wow! Another warning to Russia that it is necessary to keep the gunpowder dry? Thank you, we were encouraged that we have something to answer. What is Japan's reason to attack Russia? What would the Kuril Islands be taken away? So we pull them there, almost by force. They but they know that by attacking us, in general, they will lose Japan as a state.


        The mattresses do not care what will happen to their satellites.

        And the music is ordered by Mattresses, and moreover, the expense of money in Japan!

        Aerobatics!

        We must send to the Matrassia the aliens so that they break the printing press!
      2. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 20 October 2017 11: 18
        +4
        So take a trip and break it.
      3. Orionvit
        Orionvit 20 October 2017 18: 54
        +2
        Quote: Titsen
        The mattresses do not care what will happen to their satellites.
        And the music is ordered by Mattresses, and moreover, the expense of money in Japan!
        Mattresses hope to pit everyone with everyone, and sit out across the ocean themselves. Here, a phrase from an old joke is immediately recalled. "And if someone cheats, we will hit on the impudent red face."
    2. Alexander Nezgovorov
      Alexander Nezgovorov 20 October 2017 19: 58
      +2
      And what will we answer ??? School slingshot ???
      1. persh11
        persh11 21 October 2017 05: 53
        +2
        The nuclear triad of the 21st century, ground-based - YRS and Topol M, in submarines - Sineva and Bulava, on the delivery vehicles Tu-95 and Tu-160 with X-101 cruise missiles, as well as numerous modifications of the Caliber and which should not be mixed, Iskander .
    3. antivirus
      antivirus 24 October 2017 19: 47
      0
      The only reassurance is the fact that the compact combat stage of the SM-3 anti-missile missile system in shock will not be able to accommodate the complex of missile defense systems that are used in full-fledged ballistic missiles and ICBMs



      == and in 5-7 years you can upgrade? and shove "missile defense complex"
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 24 October 2017 21: 04
        0
        Quote: antivirus
        The only reassurance is the fact that the compact combat stage of the SM-3 anti-missile missile system in shock will not be able to accommodate the complex of missile defense systems that are used in full-fledged ballistic missiles and ICBMs

        In percussion, it is kinetic - well, it will pierce both sides and fly itself further ....
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  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 20 October 2017 07: 30
    0
    ... and they want tribOlt to fly "calibers" on them ... angry
    1. andj61
      andj61 20 October 2017 08: 35
      +2
      Quote: aszzz888
      ... and they want tribOlt to fly "calibers" on them ... angry

      But is it worth them to spend "Caliber"? Artillery, aviation, MLRS and OTR - enough for the eyes! hi
      1. novel66
        novel66 20 October 2017 09: 54
        +3
        and helicopters, so as not to worry, cover still on the ground
        1. Krabik
          Krabik 20 October 2017 11: 53
          +1
          So did the Germans at the beginning of the war with the Soviet Union.

          I'm afraid of Roma and now it will be the same ...
          1. novel66
            novel66 20 October 2017 11: 54
            +3
            So, get ahead of it!
            1. Krabik
              Krabik 20 October 2017 12: 37
              12
              Stalin for some reason did not get ahead.

              Although bombing the bridgeheads of the Germans at the borders would not be Stalingrad and the battle of Moscow.
              And German troops would not have crawled to Kiev.

              Everything would come down to a confrontation by analogy with the WWII.

              And now the situation is even worse.
              The USSR has long been gone, the country is a gas station in Europe.
              Army and armaments are orders of magnitude inferior to NATO troops.

              Suppose you bombed missile systems in Poland.
              Americans will begin mobilization in Europe against us, as now in Ukraine, only on a larger scale.
              Caravans of troops and weapons will sail to the EU for support.

              To block the blockade of Europe from the sea ?!
              So we don’t have a fleet, longboats taken on credit from Turkey float in Syria.

              So that I would listen to the development of the situation after the attacks on Poland from you;)
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 20 October 2017 12: 59
                10
                Your knowledge of the war is in a contraceptive state.
                And why are these the lightest elven mattresses in the world so trying to take Russia's place in the European energy market? Not afraid to be gas stations?
                1. Krabik
                  Krabik 20 October 2017 13: 30
                  +4
                  Well, why are you so mean about elves;)

                  Americans and hydrocarbons try to control making money and aviation develop and sell airplanes all over the world and they master iPhones and cars and space and their electronics are advanced.
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 20 October 2017 20: 25
                    +1
                    Quote: Krabik
                    Americans and hydrocarbons try to control making money and aviation develop and sell airplanes all over the world and they master iPhones and cars and space and their electronics are advanced.

                    Cars - Japan, Electronics - China
                    1. Krabik
                      Krabik 21 October 2017 11: 10
                      +5
                      All lithographic equipment in the world is produced by a couple of American firms.
                      In China, too, is American equipment for the production of microcircuits, and frankly speaking, China is far from microelectronics even to Taiwan, and to the United States as "cancer to the moon."

                      I have an Opel car and all markings from General Motors.
                      And then there are Fords, Teslamobile, Chrysler and so on.

                      Do not forget, Japan is a satellite of the United States and troops are located on its territory after World War II.

                      Do you think the colony has overtaken the metropolis in development ?!
                      1. Setrac
                        Setrac 21 October 2017 12: 53
                        +2
                        Quote: Krabik
                        and to the United States as "cancer to the moon."

                        Why are these your "advanced" Americans buying rocket engines, titanium for aircraft, and, most importantly, specialists, from the gas station? How many “American” things were created for the USA by European and Russian scientists? Yes, almost everything!
                    2. Krabik
                      Krabik 21 October 2017 14: 07
                      +7
                      Why are these your "advanced" Americans buying rocket engines, titanium for aircraft, and, most importantly, specialists, from the gas station? How many “American” things were created for the USA by European and Russian scientists? Yes, almost everything!


                      You comfort yourself with illusions no more.

                      I already wrote about engines, Americans distribute orders among their sixes so that they don’t bend at all and our NPO Energomash receive an order to develop and manufacture engines from Lockheed Martin and Antharas rockets for this reason.
                      And Americans also bought spare parts for Ukraine for the same purpose.
                      And there, pan-and-panheads also shout about aircraft and engines Ukrainian that have no analogues in the world.

                      And our manufacturer RD-180 did not bend precisely because of American help, and you hait him with stupid chuckles towards NASA.

                      NASA, unlike Roscosmos, successfully implemented a huge number of space projects and its satellites from Hubbal, then all sorts of bots crawl around the planets and explore space.

                      Scientists are buying up Americans around the world, and even Indians%)
                      They even organize concentration camps near their territory in order to clean up promising people of garbage.

                      Patriotism is a necessary thing without a doubt, but not such patriotism as in Ukraine or what Poklonskaya gives out with her bleeding bust of Nikolai 2%)
                      1. Setrac
                        Setrac 21 October 2017 14: 33
                        +2
                        Quote: Krabik
                        I already wrote about engines, Americans distribute orders on their sixes

                        Where is Russia, and where are the American Sixes? The American Sixes do not produce such products.
                        Quote: Krabik
                        And our manufacturer RD-180 did not bend precisely because of American help, and you hait him with stupid chuckles towards NASA.

                        Help is free, and here is pragmatic trading.
                        Quote: Krabik
                        NASA, unlike Roscosmos, successfully implemented a huge number of space projects and its satellites from Hubbal, then all sorts of bots crawl around the planets and explore space.

                        What are the claims to Russia? They have more dough - it is clear that they have more objects in space.
                      2. Grigory_78
                        Grigory_78 22 October 2017 10: 30
                        +4
                        Quote: Krabik
                        I already wrote about engines, Americans distribute orders among their sixes so that they don’t bend at all and our NPO Energomash receive an order to develop and manufacture engines from Lockheed Martin and Antharas rockets for this reason.

                        Are Americans out of kindness of heart not allowing NPO Energomash to bend? What Americans are still sympathetic, disinterested, highly moral people ... I drop a mean male tear.

                        Quote: Krabik
                        Patriotism is a necessary thing without a doubt, but not such patriotism as in Ukraine or what Poklonskaya gives out with her bleeding bust of Nikolai 2%)

                        And here I agree completely. Nicholas declared to be saints - it’s necessary to think of it. Poklonskaya’s apparently boring political life in Russia after Ukrainian political activity, meaningless and merciless.
              2. novel66
                novel66 20 October 2017 13: 39
                +3
                strategist of me. sure... request , well, let's say, to maintain a blank defense, to strike at nearby targets, perhaps at ports where caravans are unloaded? for defense, I hope, there will be enough forces hi
                1. Krabik
                  Krabik 20 October 2017 13: 56
                  +5
                  For air defense / missile defense systems, spare parts are purchased in Taiwan.

                  Well, you shoot the stockpiles of arsenal at the ports, and then without bullets missiles shells ?!
                  Customize artillery and shoot at an evil enemy.

                  This is very similar to Ukrainian behavior in foreign policy.

                  I think NATO will not even develop active hostilities in our direction.
                  They will simply impose sanctions on medicines, close access to SWIFT, and ban aviation from flying with us and with us.

                  And just wait ...
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 20 October 2017 20: 24
                    +3
                    Quote: Krabik
                    And just wait ...

                    And nothing will happen .... Iranians waited a long time - did not wait
                    1. Krabik
                      Krabik 21 October 2017 00: 14
                      0
                      Iran and S. Korea are hanging out somewhere on the sidelines of the world and sanctions have done their job.

                      And some countries like the USSR generally fell apart.
                      1. Setrac
                        Setrac 21 October 2017 12: 55
                        +3
                        Quote: Krabik
                        Iran and S. Korea are hanging out somewhere on the sidelines of the world and sanctions have done their job.

                        About the "side of the world" - this is your speculation. They do not build a consumer society, therefore, subjectively, they seem poorer, but in reality they are just a different value system.
                      2. Grigory_78
                        Grigory_78 22 October 2017 10: 38
                        +4
                        As liberalism ruthlessly corrodes the brain ... "The USSR fell apart due to sanctions." Do you yourself believe in this? If so, then it’s completely a disaster.
                        How did Iran survive then? And China? China has been under sanctions for decades. The consequences are monstrous. Either the second, or the first economy of the world. Absolutely awful.
                      3. Suhow
                        Suhow 23 October 2017 20: 47
                        +1
                        The union collapsed due to betrayal by the top (Gorbachev for example) and not as a result of Western sanctions, but of course the sanctions made their contribution ..
                    2. Krabik
                      Krabik 21 October 2017 14: 35
                      +2
                      About the "side of the world" - this is your speculation.


                      You can estimate the values ​​of the modern world, except for the consumer society that you hate.

                      For example:
                      1) medicine
                      2) science
                      3) education
                      4) microelectronics
                      5) mechanical engineering

                      Take these 5 points and think what S. Korea and Iran have achieved in these areas.

                      And please, do not mention the nuclear technologies that S. Korea received from the union, and Iran from S. Korea!

                      But here is an example of social development in the USA, the da Vinci robot in every clinic in the USA:


                      This is so as not to tear the stomach from the throat to the pubis of poor patients in order to remove appendicitis;)
                      1. Setrac
                        Setrac 21 October 2017 14: 42
                        +1
                        Quote: Krabik
                        For example:
                        1) medicine
                        2) science
                        3) education
                        4) microelectronics
                        5) mechanical engineering

                        Do you think that this is not the case in Iran or North Korea? You are wrong.
                        Quote: Krabik
                        This is so as not to tear the stomach from the throat to the pubis of poor patients in order to remove appendicitis;)

                        It’s immediately obvious that medicine is not yours.
                    3. Krabik
                      Krabik 21 October 2017 14: 47
                      0
                      Do you think that this is not the case in Iran or North Korea? You are wrong.
                      It’s immediately obvious that medicine is not yours.


                      This is not there, or in single copies brought for oil from abroad.

                      In medicine I’m not strong, I just lay in a hospital with a wide open belly%)

                      Can you give me at least 1 argument or should I write scientific works from every field of science and technology for your attacks like this: "It’s immediately obvious that medicine is not yours"?

                      As we say, "facts in the studio or balabol";)
                      1. Setrac
                        Setrac 22 October 2017 04: 24
                        +2
                        Quote: Krabik
                        You can give at least 1 argument or I owe you

                        You see, dear, serious arguments for a serious dialogue, and you are sculpting a “hunchbacked” one, as you were removed using the ax and secateurs of the gland through dopa.
                        From the list below, only microelectronics can raise questions; there is ANYTHING in the countries you specify. And as for microelectronics, I will say this - there is no problem developing microelectronics in a single country, albeit not a rich one, the problem is to reach the level of world leaders, but the countries you have indicated are protected from external competition.
                  2. albert
                    albert 20 October 2017 23: 59
                    +4
                    Quote: Krabik
                    Customize artillery and shoot at an evil enemy.

                    If it’s not enough to shoot from the “Peonies” of the UBF, I read about an extremely curious version of actions against NATO using tactical nuclear weapons. The main message of this plan is to create a powerful band of radioactive contamination in the territory of the Baltic, Poland and others with the aim of preventing the US ground forces from entering our land.
                    1. Krabik
                      Krabik 21 October 2017 00: 05
                      +2
                      Oh my God %)

                      The Balts, Poles and Ukrainians yesterday were our lands and Slavs live there, and you have prepared for them the fate of the radioactive zone.

                      And when the Swedes will regain the land near the Baltic you will also turn Petersburg into a radioactive zone ?!
                      1. albert
                        albert 21 October 2017 22: 23
                        +3
                        Quote: Krabik
                        and you have prepared for them the fate of the radioactive zone.

                        So.
                        Quote: Krabik
                        And when the Swedes will regain the land near the Baltic you will also turn Petersburg into a radioactive zone ?!

                        And, what’s the reason why the Swedes are so eager for NATO, did they want the lands near the Baltic? We will not bomb St. Petersburg, we will destroy Stockholm.
                  3. DMB_95
                    DMB_95 23 October 2017 19: 52
                    +2
                    Quote: Krabik
                    .

                    Well, you shoot the stockpiles of arsenal at the ports, and then without bullets missiles shells ?!
                    Customize artillery and shoot at an evil enemy.
                    .

                    With "evil enemies" we will fight in accordance with the Military Doctrine of the Russian Federation. It expressly states there that if a situation arises when the Russian Armed Forces are unable to
                    resist aggression with conventional weapons, Russia will be the first to launch a nuclear strike. For us, of course, they will immediately strike back (most likely they will have time). Those. both Eurasia and North America will turn into radioactive deserts in minutes. Worst of all will be the one who survives after this, because they will die long and painfully. And about the weaknesses of our Strategic Rocket Forces, you have incorrect information. Perhaps our “partners” have it more reliable and their muscle playing does not mean their desire to become nuclear ashes with us.
              3. Valery Nikolaev
                Valery Nikolaev 21 October 2017 03: 25
                +5
                The situation was such that if Stalin had been forewarned he would have turned out to be an aggressor and the whole world would have supported Hitler in the campaign against the communist regime
                1. Megamarcel
                  Megamarcel 21 October 2017 16: 37
                  +1
                  Reason everything correctly. The goal was to push the two systems in any way and support the one who starts to get the upper hand. No wonder there is a saying Divide and conquer. Also, do not forget that war is money. The principle has not changed for millennia. The myth that Stalin did not foresee a blow full bullshit. Despite all the difficulties of evacuation, it was prepared in advance. The old gangster knew very well by what principles the initiated Western elites live. Today, we can personally see at what price the victory of the Western Crusaders over the rest of the world is achieved. And if necessary, they will again use nuclear weapons.
              4. persh11
                persh11 21 October 2017 06: 12
                +2
                Bullshit, in Russia on the database are: 21st century ICBMs, YaRs and Topol M in the USA LGM-30 Minuteman - the color of the mid-20th century is the freshest 1989 bottling, on submarines in Russia ICBM Bulava and Sineva 21st century in the USA - rusty scrap metal seventies UGM-133A Trident II, delivery vehicles in Russia Tu 160 (white swan) will strike with the Kh-101 cruise missiles without entering the US radar zone V-52 the freshest 1964 and V-2 Stealth (as they think) direct discharge, will be destroyed not reaching our borders, so do not tell our Iskanders.
                1. Megamarcel
                  Megamarcel 21 October 2017 16: 53
                  0
                  TTX of most Russian systems are good only on paper. Plus, these are mainly good old Soviet developments. The Americans leave the same names for weapons systems, but the filling is completely new. During the last cold war, it was not the States that collapsed, but the union. If we again behave the same way as then, then Russia will collapse. Now it’s even easier to do, because the minds of our elites are controlled by the West. And their children are there. Russia is more precisely for our Polonsky Rotenberg and sand country gas station, and not for Trump with oil.
                2. Krabik
                  Krabik 21 October 2017 23: 24
                  0
                  All that you wrote, of course it is, BUT !!!

                  Amer easier and cheaper to place their missile systems on ships or with the allies of Poland and Japan.
                  And they simply do not need ground mines and especially mobile complexes like Topol.

                  TU-160 we still have units and most of the aircraft have run out of engine life, and their manufacturing technology has been lost.

                  It is enough for Amers to use ships or bases in Germany, Poland, Japan for launching missile strikes, and when the defensive air defense / missile defense dome is destroyed, the old B-52 and B-2 will destroy it.

                  In submarines, yes, Americans make more hunters precisely because of the pointless construction of new submarine cruisers with ballistic missiles.

                  And our missile cruisers in single copies and go on duty very rarely.
                  The mace did not fly for a very long time and its performance was in question.

                  As a result, I will not make a comforting conclusion for you:
                  1) a pair of TU-160 built at the time of Gorbachev will not save the state
                  2) one and a half Borea is clearly not enough to maintain balance
                  3) Poplars are still holding, but IMHO this is clearly not enough
                  1. Grigory_78
                    Grigory_78 22 October 2017 10: 59
                    +1
                    So you are the next American grantee? It was necessary to guess earlier on the immeasurable pro-American pathos. Ignoring news that contradicts your point of view is part of the job? I sympathize.
                    https://topwar.ru/99329-novosti-proekta-vozobnovl
                    eniya-proizvodstva-dvigateley-nk-32.html
                    Failures to you in your work.
                    1. Krabik
                      Krabik 22 October 2017 11: 09
                      +2
                      If they gave me grants, I would already have become a general here and sat for days on end explaining to the pseudo-patriots where they live.

                      In the article to which you gave a link, they say that someone wants to resume the production of engines and may begin to make equipment for their manufacture.

                      There was an article on a similar topic that showed the frames of unfinished TU-160 at the plant.

                      But in fact, not a single engine was released.

                      I can also give you a 10-ok news feed about Ivan Gren where he has been going down for decades and is being tested.
                      Campaign, when completely confused completely old will ...
                      1. Wasiliy1985
                        Wasiliy1985 23 October 2017 19: 26
                        0
                        One problem is that you are not working in the industry.
                        You brain on the site yourself chop.
                        Here is your one and only problem. It seems you are experiencing - only all experiences to pouring mud around everything are reduced.
                        That is, you were not and are not in the production process.
                        21st century nihilist.
                        Fictional life behind a computer monitor.
                        Hence the essence of all posts and comments.
              5. Wasiliy1985
                Wasiliy1985 23 October 2017 19: 19
                0
                Yeah, sunset of the mind ...
              6. Kent0001
                Kent0001 25 October 2017 13: 54
                0
                If there are blows to Poland, then followed by the USA, etc. There will be a global war, and excuse your reasoning, at the kindergarten level.
        2. Alexander Nezgovorov
          Alexander Nezgovorov 20 October 2017 19: 59
          +5
          It is foolish to underestimate the army of a potential enemy!
  4. kuz363
    kuz363 20 October 2017 07: 33
    18
    A stupid article where not everything is said. "using all the available potential of high-precision front-line bombers Su-34." Well, against the Iskanders, they have a missile defense system. And how many of these supposedly super-duper SU-34? Their planes are also not plywood, but NATO’s superiority in the number of aircraft by 20-30 times also speaks for something. As for any S-400 or S-500 it will be like this: - drones with anti-radar missiles will destroy the locators and the air defense will go blind. And the S-400 division with its 72 missiles will become scrap metal. The lifespan of any air defense in a real battle is 1-2 days maximum and the main enemies are airplanes.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 20 October 2017 08: 40
      +3
      Quote: kuz363
      As for any S-400 or S-500 it will be like this: - drones with anti-radar missiles will destroy the locators and the air defense will go blind

      your illiteracy will just make you laugh .. lol
      1. Good Zsul
        Good Zsul 20 October 2017 08: 59
        +2
        on his head the Ukrainian pan remained from that Maidan ..... So, he has been upgrading her for 3 years, so he became a specialist.
        1. _Ugene_
          _Ugene_ 20 October 2017 11: 00
          12
          A person writes everything correctly. Air defense will be suppressed in the first place - by cruise missiles and attack drones, not a single air defense in the world can resist the massive strike of the Kyrgyz Republic, modern air defense is not tailored for this. And then the pure confrontation of aviation and here we are with our 350pcs. modern aircraft and 850pcs. scrap metal (35 years. average age) we have a rest. NATO aviation superiority will be total. And then even simpler - whose sky he will win in the ground operation, in modern warfare it is an axiom.
          So the nuclear shield is our everything.
          1. Vlad.by
            Vlad.by 20 October 2017 12: 14
            +3
            Katz offers to surrender?
            Or is your surname Trolkinson?
            1. _Ugene_
              _Ugene_ 20 October 2017 13: 44
              +8
              I don’t know what is your last name, but you write about giving up, not me. If you were more careful, you would notice that I wrote "a nuclear shield is our everything."
              Who in their right mind would try to fight one of the largest nuclear powers? Therefore, ours will not go to further disarmament in the field of nuclear weapons. Without him, we are defenseless against NATO.
              But even with nuclear weapons bad options are theoretically possible. For example, a quick breakthrough of the border and the deepening of enemy troops on our territory (for example, millions of Chinese, they will crush the number), how to respond? Do not use nuclear weapons on their territory. But this is, so far, an unlikely option.
              1. dragy52rus
                dragy52rus 20 October 2017 14: 17
                +6
                for example, see the map for a quick breakthrough into the territory of the Chinese. Nuclear weapons should not be used on its territory Beijing is quite suitable. )))
                1. _Ugene_
                  _Ugene_ 20 October 2017 14: 23
                  0
                  What to look at it, I already know that the total border is about 4 thousand km., Not enough for a breakthrough? Beijing, of course, is quite suitable, but it will not stop the troops in our territory. And given the "densely populated" Far East and the large Chinese army, stopping them will be unrealistic. The result will be a radioactive desert instead of China, and China will be with us.
                  But this is purely theoretical, at the moment it is unlikely.
                  1. Krabik
                    Krabik 22 October 2017 01: 02
                    +2
                    An attack by China is unlikely because in the past he never attacked.

                    But the attack from Western Europe is quite real.
                    The countries of the former Warsaw Pact and Ukraine are used as a ram gradually exhausting our state.

                    The use of nuclear weapons against them will cause an exchange of blows between European countries, that is, we will kill ourselves.

                    And then the Americans will take the prey, if anything remains.

                    And even more real - this is another betrayal of the elite, as it was in 17 and 91.
                  2. Grigory_78
                    Grigory_78 22 October 2017 11: 10
                    0
                    Oh yes ... The Chinese in paradise conditions of Chukotka, Buryatia. Everything is ready for them - cities, infrastructure. Just take it and populate. As for building something - materials are needed, production. Build houses from radioactive materials - even in China, the population will quickly decline.
              2. Grigory_78
                Grigory_78 22 October 2017 11: 06
                0
                Why in its territory? In places of concentration of troops on enemy territory. And for some pain points. Complicated?
                1. Krabik
                  Krabik 22 October 2017 12: 32
                  0
                  Alas, there are restrictions on the nesting of comments, maybe this is good%)

                  Well, yes ... Lendlis is the only reason why the USSR won in that war. It is strange why such a miracle cure did not help France, for example. Or Belgium.


                  I gave 2 reasons for victory:
                  1) lenlis
                  2) hide and seek behind women and children

                  There are 3 more reasons, the Germans overestimated their capabilities for the summer company and got bogged down in the winter near Moscow.

                  Or is it closer to you the cause of the valiant Red Army soldiers fighting without losing their stomach for the sake of their homeland and Stalin ?!

                  Of course there were many, but there were no fewer than those who surrendered to thousands of Germans.

                  And this despite the fact that in parts the work was carried out to clarify what they would do with them in captivity, or rather torture them with hunger or burn them in living furnaces.

                  But still surrendered by the thousands to the Germans.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 22 October 2017 12: 43
                    +9
                    Quote: Krabik
                    Krabik

                    And in childhood I saw one crab.
                    They forgot to feed him, and he died. crying
                    Go bored ... poor thing wink
          2. tigrall
            tigrall 23 October 2017 13: 33
            +1
            It is precisely under this that modern air defenses are imprisoned, and they do exactly that in the exercises, knock down the Kyrgyz Republic. And they have no aviation superiority; they have no less, if not more, scrap metal as aircraft. All their aviation will not appear in our skies at once. Moreover, airfields, air bases and aircraft carrier groups near our borders will be destroyed. Therefore, in DEFENSE, we will force them to wash themselves with blood, losses will destroy their attacking potential, and then only the good old mutual guaranteed nuclear destruction of all parties to the conflict will remain. This is what keeps Apaches and others from irreparable errors.
          3. Kent0001
            Kent0001 25 October 2017 13: 55
            0
            Therefore, no one will attack us, mischief and crap yes, but no attack!
      2. spirit
        spirit 20 October 2017 10: 29
        +5
        Well, I wouldn’t rush right away, for example, in Kaliningrad, a friend of mine is sitting on the radar and says that everything is not so smooth in the Danish kingdom. Often orders are transmitted by mobile phone) you know what I mean.
        1. Dedall
          Dedall 20 October 2017 21: 38
          +4
          Quite right, he himself witnessed such disgrace. Moreover, I will reveal the main secret of air defense itself - it is not necessary to destroy locators and starting positions. It is enough to scatter around the positions of the jammer. Frequencies, both main and reserve, are known, and in the air defense units the protection of the adjacent territory has never been worked out, and there are no means of searching and counteracting such diversion.
          And in general, I think that Zhukov’s words should be complied with: “The best air defense is tanks at enemy airfields.” Well, or, at worst, a comrade with a “cracker,” who at the right time will begin to shoot planes on takeoff. The Vietnamese very successfully worked out this tactic in due time.
    2. 73bor
      73bor 20 October 2017 10: 57
      +9
      Against the Iskanders, more than one missile defense system has not yet been created, my illiterate friend, NATO aviation is essentially a hodgepodge located under different commands, 20-30 times superior, and do you even know how many planes Germany has in service and how many flies (125) and there are about 28 combat helicopters, and the UK has about 160. You won’t put a penny on this team! And at the expense of drones with anti-radar missiles, it’s still necessary to fly to the S-400 with the counteraction of our electronic warfare which will be more powerful than the American ones, but in general they may simply not even fly up!
      1. Krabik
        Krabik 20 October 2017 12: 51
        +3
        Read the comments under this article, especially on mobile orders for air defense points.

        No matter how ideal we are;)

        I also think that the Iskanders are unlikely to intercept, but there are few of them, a range of 500 km.
        Father-in-law in a major war game is a drop in the bucket.

        Our electronic warfare systems too praised on the channel "Star" in fact, the opposite is true.
        EW systems are primarily electronics and signal processing.
        There have always been American leaders with their furious processors.
        They already put computers for guidance on ships in the Second World War, and there were walkie-talkies on planes when our pilots showed Morse signs in the window with pens%)
        1. Yeti
          Yeti 20 October 2017 21: 18
          +1
          )))))))))))) Even in civilian American processors crushed the teeth of the enemy. Lord what nonsense.
          1. Krabik
            Krabik 21 October 2017 14: 57
            0
            Here's a link to the fire control system on board US ships in World War II:
            http://warfor.me/sistema-upravleniya-artilleriysk
            im-ognem-mk-37 /

            This is the MK-37 fire control system.

            And now a joke, find me a description of a similar system in the USSR, if any?

            PS
            No wonder you took the Yeti nickname oh no wonder;)
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 20 October 2017 21: 15
        0
        "Against Iskander, not one missile defense has not yet been created." But he is not a panacea; he will be opposed by the THAAD.
    3. rocket757
      rocket757 20 October 2017 11: 44
      +5
      Even if you don’t read the most diverse arguments, it doesn’t draw on a sound analysis, it all comes out early that without substantial help from the allies we are still (or even) weak. For the allies, identity is also very foggy. Then it turns out if the enemy attacks, the argument against nuclear weapons will become.
      It could be so, only I’m sure that in the west some people have not forgotten that the RUSSIAN SOLDIER will be their enemy.
      This argument is stronger than any weapon.
    4. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 20 October 2017 12: 10
      +2
      The life span of any military equipment not ready for battle is measured in seconds. It's hard to argue with that. But the keywords are about battle readiness.
      To deal with a LOT of targets, a special missile is needed and not necessarily with YaBCH. The EM warhead will be quite enough. So that in an area where there are many serifs, it is stupid to launch a rocket and extinguish ALL at once, and only then deal with the rest.
      If there will be a couple of three EM missiles in the BC of each Thor battery, I think this will be more than enough for all drones and for most of the attacking Jasm of the first wave.
      And further, the Torah and the Armor will deal with the Apaches.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 20 October 2017 21: 18
        0
        NATO aviation does not even have to fly into the air defense coverage area, they have missiles and bombs with a range of 1000 and 560 kilometers, as well as strike drones and unmanned ammunition, with directors of false targets - they will be the first and crushing ram of any air defense system.
        1. tigrall
          tigrall 23 October 2017 12: 29
          +1
          Wow, do they know that they have such missiles? And it seems like they don’t have anything more cheerful than the ancient sea-based tamahawks, they only want to develop something like that. But do not tell me where the invulnerable NATO aircraft will fly from? From Greenland? And it’s kind of like their basing places will be rolled into dust by tactical missiles. And I'm afraid that without missiles with a special warhead it will not do in the event of a global kneading. Have you heard about tactical nuclear weapons? Which we have a lot of different, because our doctrine is defensive, and in defense it is possible to turn attackers into nuclear ashes. In NATA your vaunted TNW is not.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 26 October 2017 01: 10
            0
            Of course I know, here is the rocket - AGM 158ER in stealth, it is several times superior to the tomahawk.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 26 October 2017 01: 13
            0
            And here is the planning tactical bomb in a modification with an engine, a range of 560 kilometers, the United States has 30000 in service with it, by stealth it is not inferior to a rocket.
    5. persh11
      persh11 21 October 2017 06: 19
      0
      Iskander is a unique missile that can be driven to the finish line, during flight, it pumps out the rings so that its trajectory can hardly be traced, but even if the missile defense calculates the trajectory, it is pointless to send anti-missiles since the speed of Iskander is many times higher than the speed of anti-missiles.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 22 October 2017 00: 06
        0
        "If the missile defense calculates the trajectory, then it is pointless to send anti-missiles since the speed of Iskander is many times higher than the speed of anti-missiles." And it doesn’t matter - when the missiles fly to the meeting.
        1. tigrall
          tigrall 23 October 2017 12: 21
          0
          The speed of the missiles allows you to ignore the pro, because missile defense reaction time is not enough to counter-launch missile defense.
  5. ilimnoz
    ilimnoz 20 October 2017 08: 02
    +3
    Israelis openly destroy any dangerous machinery and plants in neighboring states. maybe it's time to adopt the same tactics.
    1. Sharansky
      Sharansky 20 October 2017 15: 03
      0
      Do you propose to bomb Poland and Japan with China?
      1. ilimnoz
        ilimnoz 20 October 2017 17: 07
        +2
        China so far has no need with Japan, but Poland with the Baltic states and even to the south why not. :))))
        1. Sharansky
          Sharansky 21 October 2017 12: 11
          0
          You need to be treated
          1. ilimnoz
            ilimnoz 21 October 2017 15: 39
            0
            just like everyone else in this crazy world :)))
  6. Beholder
    Beholder 20 October 2017 08: 34
    0
    Quote: Mar. Tira
    Wow! Another warning to Russia that it is necessary to keep the gunpowder dry? Thank you, we were encouraged that we have something to answer. What is Japan's reason to attack Russia? What would the Kuril Islands be taken away? So we pull them there, almost by force. They but they know that by attacking us, in general, they will lose Japan as a state.


    Do not lose. And the reason is simple: expanding your sphere of influence. And this must not be forgotten. Russia is big - many want to bite off a bite.
  7. oracul
    oracul 20 October 2017 09: 39
    0
    On clothes stretch your legs - it seems so they say. Therefore, as an answer to the author, I will write this way: “already if someone from their bump does an analysis that calls into question that it’s ridiculous, since it really knows more than we do and keeps everything under control .. About which I told Putin VV, answering a question regarding Kaliningrad. " The problem remains that it takes time and money to rearm. It should be remembered that the DPRK, Venezuela, Transnistria, Syria, the DPR and the LPR can to some extent rely on real support (up to the military) from Russia, but there is no one to rely on. China, until it touches it directly, will observe a tiger battle from the mountain — such is their philosophy. By the way, the unforgettable Lukashenko admonished and wrote to the doctrine of defense that the army of Belarus can only be used on its territory.
  8. Galleon
    Galleon 20 October 2017 09: 50
    12
    The article is sober, correct and to the point. The community of VO commentators habitually laughs at threats against Russia. Guys, the threat is not where they said something, but where they did something. In Japan, they did. If in China the 2nd artillery corps holds this area in the zone of responsibility, we need to put the 3rd missile corps and take all these targets on a constant sights, and even build ultra-small submarines for the Kholulaevs in sufficient quantities to disable these goals quietly . Otherwise, this strategic advantage will be on the side of the enemy.
    1. 73bor
      73bor 20 October 2017 11: 05
      0
      The Japanese put their missile defense against the DPRK, they are well aware that it will help against single ballistic missiles, and it is not effective against cruise missiles above the surface of the water!
      1. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 20 October 2017 11: 22
        0
        I do not agree. Missile defense, which is "against the DPRK" and does not intercept the DPRK missiles, is nonsense. No one there believes that the DPRK will attack. But it will work against our and Chinese missiles, to cover the base of the Japanese owner.
        1. 73bor
          73bor 20 October 2017 20: 55
          0
          But from us, with the People's Republic of China, you can simply rake away with this Burke buried in the ground, but you can bounce with the DPRK!
    2. polkovnik manuch
      polkovnik manuch 20 October 2017 14: 24
      0
      The second body of the PLA is the forces of nuclear deterrence. We also need to strengthen missile defense, air defense of Primorye and Kamchatka. The strategic nuclear forces in our Trans-Baikal region are in order, as they say in which case, "we will distribute all the sisters with earrings."
  9. Ren
    Ren 20 October 2017 09: 54
    0
    It’s time Moscow exemplarily break the Japanese point!
    FSA for them against Russia will not harness, because for the sake of the Japanese, they will not destroy their cities.
    1. ventel
      ventel 20 October 2017 10: 22
      +6
      As far as I remember from history, Russia has already tried to teach the “Japanese monkeys” a lesson, and what it turned out to be the surrender of Port Arthur, a drowned and captive fleet, the transfer of Yuzhno-Sakhalin and the payment of indemnities.
      1. Galleon
        Galleon 20 October 2017 10: 33
        +9
        And you don’t remember the answer for this after 40 years? Millionth army grind for a month. Millionth - for a month. How long will it take to grind 250 thousand? week seems ...
        Russian newspapers really called the future war of 1904 "the hunt for macaques," but no one handed over Port Arthur - do not lie. The Japanese won the victory in bloodless, exhausted hands, by their own admission. The then rulers of Russia were poorly groomed, they did not know how to squeeze. Now they know how.
        1. ventel
          ventel 20 October 2017 11: 07
          +4
          Yes, objectively, you do not like to look at history. To begin with, many here write that the ridge of German fascism broke the USSR and the Americans and the British only clung to victory, well, because in your USSR, too, clung to the victory over Japanese militarism. But the objective Wehrmacht also grind the million-strong army for a month and historians still argue how it happened and in our case the Manzhur operation is served almost as a masterpiece of military art.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 20 October 2017 13: 24
            +5
            Let's see objectively. Firstly, after someone allegedly threshed the Red Army, the USSR did not sign surrender. Secondly, after the Wehrmacht allegedly threshed someone - by winter itself he completely lost the possibility of warfare.
            1. Sharansky
              Sharansky 20 October 2017 15: 04
              0
              Quote: Setrac
              by winter he himself completely lost the possibility of warfare.

              if this were so, there would be no Rzhev meat grinder and Stalingrad
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 20 October 2017 21: 27
                +2
                Quote: Sharansky
                if this were so, there would be no Rzhev meat grinder and Stalingrad

                They needed the whole winter to recover the losses, but these are not Pindos, ready to drape at the first killed, the Germans are stubborn fighters, nevertheless there were a lot of losses so that the Wehrmacht offensive would stop.
                1. hohkn
                  hohkn 20 October 2017 21: 55
                  +1
                  Quote: Setrac
                  pindosy ready to drape at the first killed

                  I confirm. They took the striatum in the first Chechen one (it would be better if they dunked it right away without understanding). In a situation not even slightly reminiscent of the one when our conscripts fought to the end surrounded, garny merikos immediately lifted their flippers up, if the opportunity to save a life loomed.
                  1. Sharansky
                    Sharansky 21 October 2017 12: 17
                    0
                    Quote: hohkn
                    when our conscripts fought to the end surrounded

                    And often garny merikos get surrounded? Or are they fighting wisely so that this does not happen?
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 21 October 2017 12: 56
                      +2
                      Quote: Sharansky
                      And often garny merikos get surrounded? Or are they fighting wisely so that this does not happen?

                      Exactly, they drape just a little bit - therefore they don’t get into the environment, but in the mind - strengthen the flanks and prevent the environment.
                      1. Sharansky
                        Sharansky 24 October 2017 14: 57
                        0
                        Quote: Setrac
                        Exactly, they drape just a little bit - therefore they don’t get into the environment, but in the mind - strengthen the flanks and prevent the environment.

                        the Japanese, too, at one time, just as well amused themselves with similar tales, as did the Germans.
                    2. hohkn
                      hohkn 24 October 2017 14: 54
                      0
                      Quote: Sharansky
                      Or are they fighting wisely so that this does not happen?

                      If it really were like that, they would not have come across. FGC in the first Chechen was very fond of them.
                      1. Sharansky
                        Sharansky 24 October 2017 14: 56
                        0
                        Was the regular American army fighting in the first Chechen one? What a twist!
            2. ventel
              ventel 20 October 2017 15: 15
              +1
              Well, where is the objectivity that the Wehrmacht in41 had only one theater of military operations or the USSR fought on two fronts. For some reason, your memory is also one-sided historical reality can be replaced by propaganda myths.
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 20 October 2017 21: 29
                +1
                Quote: ventel
                Well, where is the objectivity that the Wehrmacht in41 had only one theater of military operations or the USSR fought on two fronts. For some reason, your memory is also one-sided historical reality can be replaced by propaganda myths.

                All the main participants of the Second World War had several fronts, not only the Germans, well, maybe except China.
                Recognize objectivity for the sake of the fact that the Germans did not stand out.
                1. ventel
                  ventel 20 October 2017 21: 50
                  0
                  In what they admit that the USSR fought simultaneously in the west and east, or that there were no defeats for 41-42 years. Now many here too, as in the 40s, repeat the same nonsense "Little blood on enemy territory" or "The Red Army of all stronger right up to the British seas "only in a different way, but the meaning is the same.
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 21 October 2017 13: 03
                    +2
                    Quote: ventel
                    In what they admit that the USSR fought simultaneously in the west and east, or that there were no defeats for 41-42 years.

                    Defeat from the beginning of the war is pointless to consider separately from the outcome of the war.
                    Quote: ventel
                    Now here, too, many, like in the 40s, are repeating the same nonsense "Little blood on enemy territory" or "The Red Army is stronger all the way to the British seas"

                    The Red Army is objectively stronger than all, but in the western direction the Europeans have an obvious advantage. Due to the more developed transport infrastructure and shorter distances, they mobilize and deploy troops faster, three times. Another question is that NATO is not the Wehrmacht, NATU is far from the standards of the Wehrmacht
                    1. ventel
                      ventel 21 October 2017 22: 55
                      0
                      In your opinion, the main victory and how it was given may not be considered because it is pointless. That's why we live worse than the losers. And why are you so sure that NATO is worse than the Wehrmacht.
                      1. Grigory_78
                        Grigory_78 22 October 2017 11: 58
                        0
                        For some reason, when the losses are compared, the losses of the Wehrmacht and the USSR are compared. Exactly. I will not say anything about the fact that the SS troops did not enter the Wehrmacht. Some Hungarians fought against us up to 250 thousand at a time, and left them to lie in our land more than 100 thousand. This is only in the three most massive graves. And there were Romanians, Poles and many others. Speaking of the French, for some reason they remember only the Normandy-Niemen squadron. But in vain. A couple of hundred people passed through the squadron. And at the front, they fought tens of thousands against us. All of Europe actually fought against us.
                        What am I doing? Victory, of course, was given to us hard. But there wasn’t that “overwhelming with corpses”, which all 90s have been talking intensively about and some continue to speak now.
                      2. Setrac
                        Setrac 22 October 2017 21: 15
                        0
                        Quote: ventel
                        In your opinion, the main victory and how it was given may not be considered because it is pointless.

                        The survival of the nation is in any case a priority.
                        Quote: ventel
                        That's why we live worse than losers.

                        This is a controversial issue, tell me what we live in worse and I will discuss with you on this topic.
                        Quote: ventel
                        And why are you so sure that NATO is worse than the Wehrmacht.

                        And they periodically conduct exercises, this can be seen with the naked eye.
                    2. Krabik
                      Krabik 22 October 2017 10: 35
                      0
                      The Red Army won because she was assisted by the states, bringing in groceries, airplanes, steel, cars, and so on.
                      And the Germans made a blockade from the sea.

                      Well and most importantly, the red army was hiding behind the population, as a result of which 20 million civilians were lost, not counting the military.

                      The years of the Civil War and punitive operations for the Red Army were not in vain and they filled their hands in this field ...
                      1. Grigory_78
                        Grigory_78 22 October 2017 12: 00
                        +1
                        Well, yes ... Lendlis is the only reason why the USSR won in that war. It is strange why such a miracle cure did not help France, for example. Or Belgium.
                      2. Setrac
                        Setrac 22 October 2017 21: 20
                        0
                        Quote: Krabik
                        The Red Army won because she was assisted by the states, bringing in groceries, airplanes, steel, cars, and so on.

                        You do not know history well, the bulk of Lend-Lease deliveries went at the beginning of the forty-second year. I draw your attention to the fact that by that time the battle for Moscow had already died down, and the Battle of Stalingrad was in full swing. so he defeated the USSR on his own, without any help, but to squeeze ALREADY conquered enemy in his den gathered mongrel from all sides.
                        In addition, the entire volume of lend-lease FIVE PERCENT FROM THE MILITARY PRODUCTION OF THE USSR is a drop in the bucket.
                    3. tigrall
                      tigrall 23 October 2017 12: 15
                      0
                      And the mobilization reserve in NATO tends to zero
            3. Vadim237
              Vadim237 20 October 2017 21: 24
              0
              In 1941, the USSR was oar in the balance of defeat. I believe that we were just lucky that with such huge losses the country withstood and won.
          2. Galleon
            Galleon 20 October 2017 15: 22
            +7
            We love to watch our history objectively, but we don’t like it when alien and hostile languages ​​begin to speak about the "objectivity" of our history. An opinion about you is mitigated by the fact that you do not have your own story. However, you refused to share a story with us, so study and discuss the story of your belly of Europe (I won’t tell your heart). The less you remember us, the better. Learn at least English.
            I can also remind you of the Halkin-Gol, when not only the samurai were punched, but they were all supplied through the 500-kilometer steppe.
            1. ventel
              ventel 20 October 2017 15: 46
              0
              Of course, like the proverb, Victory has many parents, and defeat is always an orphan. But here there is a paradox why the winners live worse than the defeated and I will answer you the defeated objectively look at their history and make a conclusion, and you have one-sided objectivity and did not make conclusions from the past war. Have you ever read about Khalkin-Gol that you are so confident about victory. The first bell of our failures at the beginning of the war rang there.
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 20 October 2017 21: 43
                0
                Quote: ventel
                and I will answer you the vanquished objectively look at their history and make a conclusion

                The losers were forced to stop military construction.
                1. ventel
                  ventel 20 October 2017 22: 04
                  0
                  Yes, here I agree, but you lose sight of the fact that the losers still paid indemnities to all occupied countries, and there the sums are not small either.
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 21 October 2017 13: 05
                    +1
                    Quote: ventel
                    Yes, here I agree, but you lose sight of the fact that the losers still paid indemnities to all occupied countries, and there the sums are not small either.

                    Especially Israel, what villains the Germans-occupied Israel.
                    1. ventel
                      ventel 21 October 2017 22: 29
                      0
                      So you do not know the story well. Israel was formed on May 14, 1948, and when the Podsdam Conference was held, you should be reminded or you yourself know. Germany paid reparations to Israeli citizens who suffered from the Nazis by a court order in Germany.
      2. Vlad.by
        Vlad.by 20 October 2017 12: 20
        +3
        You have a very one-sided memory. I will remind you the story of the two millionth Kwantung army, which ceased to exist in a couple of weeks.
        1. Sharansky
          Sharansky 20 October 2017 15: 05
          +1
          Quote: Vlad.by
          I will remind you the story of the two millionth Kwantung army, which ceased to exist in a couple of weeks.

          You first recall that this happened after the nuclear bombing and the actual defeat of the metropolis.
          1. Galleon
            Galleon 20 October 2017 15: 26
            +6
            And what, after a nuclear bombardment, all stockpiles of weapons, ammunition depots, communications facilities of the Kwantung Army disappeared? Or did they have much less opportunities to resist than the defenders of the Brest Fortress or Deir ez-Zor?
            1. Sharansky
              Sharansky 21 October 2017 12: 19
              +1
              Quote: Galleon
              Or did they have much less opportunities to resist than the defenders of the Brest Fortress or Deir ez-Zor?

              there was no motivation anymore. And this is the most important.
              1. zombirusrev
                zombirusrev 26 October 2017 15: 47
                0
                If you said this to any of the Japanese imperial officers, he would quickly shorten you to your head.
                Japs didn’t put us a penny before the Nomohan incident. And after he thought, in 1945 they were going to resist, but agreed to an honorable surrender. Against them then stood the best army in the world. And he commanded her, according to the same lords of the liberal thoughts of the Strugat brothers, the "Great Strategist" ... Satlin is not, but do not be afraid he will be!
  10. Old26
    Old26 20 October 2017 10: 15
    +4
    Quote: kuz363
    A stupid article where not everything is said.

    The first few lines are given by the author with his head. To read his fabrications, for example, about a 40 km radio horizon for a missile defense radar raised to a height of 2 tens of meters - this is not funny, but sad
  11. SCHWERIN
    SCHWERIN 20 October 2017 10: 22
    +8
    The flywheel of the arms race spins up. Sooner or later he will be blown away. Since the axis of this flywheel is USA, then we must proceed from this. The best option is to warn the partner that in the event of aggression from any territory controlled by the United States, the Russian Federation will deliver a nuclear strike to the States. Everything else, exhortation, repentance, and so on is empty. The forces of the collective West, both financial and economic and human and military, are many times greater than ours. We can’t catch them. And from the arms race, sooner or later we can simply become impoverished and degrade.
    Only the threat of a nuclear missile strike, nuclear mines near the United States can stop them. Everything else is from the evil one.
    An example of this is North Korea. They found the Achilles heel of the United States. Thanks to them for that.
  12. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 20 October 2017 11: 58
    +2
    Did I rightly say that we are everywhere and finally a scribe?
    1. _Ugene_
      _Ugene_ 20 October 2017 14: 30
      +1
      No, "our nuclear shield is everything"
    2. Galleon
      Galleon 20 October 2017 15: 35
      +5
      Everyone decides for himself. Do you need a scribe? I don’t.
  13. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 20 October 2017 14: 32
    +4
    To prepare and learn that 1941 would not happen again! And for the failure to fulfill the state defense order, the disruption of supplies, it is necessary to understand very seriously and send “effective managers” to re-education, for about 20 years! Kaliningrad should be a real fortress so that not a single European and Baltic partner wants to not only attack, but even look askance in our direction
    1. zombirusrev
      zombirusrev 26 October 2017 15: 48
      0
      It was not only in 1941, but also in 1918 when we could not support the Reds in Germany. If the German Communists won, then excuse my face. The world has changed irreversibly. Now we have what we have.
  14. demo
    demo 20 October 2017 15: 30
    +1
    Colorfully painted.
    Only there is one BUT!
    Why all this fuss fired up?
    And what are the ultimate goals?
    If you check how Russia will behave in the event of an attack, oh God, of the Baltic tigers, then the blind can see that the answer will be the one who insulted.
    12 Apaches and a bunch of everything in addition do not matter if the city of Washington, DC disappears from the face of the earth.
    And in the city of Washington they know this well.
    And Tokyo may disappear.
    So why do they need it?
  15. Old military officer
    Old military officer 20 October 2017 15: 35
    0
    Quote: Krabik
    For air defense / missile defense systems, spare parts are purchased in Taiwan.

    Well, you shoot the stockpiles of arsenal at the ports, and then without bullets missiles shells ?!
    Customize artillery and shoot at an evil enemy.

    This is very similar to Ukrainian behavior in foreign policy.

    I think NATO will not even develop active hostilities in our direction.
    They will simply impose sanctions on medicines, close access to SWIFT, and ban aviation from flying with us and with us.

    And just wait ...

    You have to give up soon, otherwise everything is gone. Such a strategist draws conclusions!
    1. Krabik
      Krabik 22 October 2017 10: 52
      0
      You can certainly laugh and say that everything is a bunch, but here I will give you a banality on the banking system:
      American bank cards are in circulation in the Russian Federation and all Visa \ Master \ Maestro card transfers go through import servers.

      For example, they pay a salary to an air defense battalion near Moscow and the NSA sees how much what and where they paid.

      The question arises, why is our banking system unable to introduce internal use cards and to pay to state employees through their cards ?!

      I understand that if a person goes over the hill to rest and takes an import card, but WHY why do state employees transfer salaries through US servers ???
    2. zombirusrev
      zombirusrev 26 October 2017 15: 50
      0
      First, the hosts of Krabik sang to Gorbachev about peace-friendship-chewing gum, and now they whine even from the shadow of the USSR! Laughter and more.
  16. manne mann
    manne mann 20 October 2017 16: 17
    0
    And our military budget will be cut! there is already not enough money to fulfill some orders, but as usual, all of us, "strategists" are calm!
  17. zzdimk
    zzdimk 20 October 2017 17: 32
    0
    Decadence. Yes! This view has the right to tease and live. Arms race? I do not want. Chimera has the right to life.
  18. Radikal
    Radikal 20 October 2017 18: 55
    +3
    Yes, Roman is right - the level of comments on the site is rapidly approaching the baseboard! crying
  19. zzdimk
    zzdimk 20 October 2017 18: 57
    0
    And if it’s just MO and, by the way, shut up for a year or two and don’t annoy anyone with development, and then just show “big and sinewy” that hits and kills and fucks? Enough PR! We must play blindly.
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  21. alexjk
    alexjk 20 October 2017 18: 58
    0
    bang ... sure bang ...
  22. Lis_96
    Lis_96 20 October 2017 19: 02
    0
    The enemy will be destroyed on its territory. US satellites erased in radioactive dust, the victory will be ours!
  23. Whaler
    Whaler 20 October 2017 19: 07
    +4
    Quote: spirit
    Well, I wouldn’t rush right away, for example, in Kaliningrad, a friend of mine is sitting on the radar and says that everything is not so smooth in the Danish kingdom. Often orders are transmitted by mobile phone) you know what I mean.

    Pazzolom)))) go look in the mirror, your nose is already knee-deep growing DD // comrade in Kaliningrad - the daughter of an officer, not otherwise laughing These are WHAT "orders" on the mobile who issues whom to whom ?? !! OKKP ?? !! Or com orlr, for training, in order to jerk your favorite personnel ?! wassat I’m telling you, like the old RTVshnik - don’t post nonsense, DO NOT POSTER!))))
  24. Yeti
    Yeti 20 October 2017 21: 26
    +2
    With all the nagging, both in the article and in the comments, our air defense and electronic warfare systems are second to none. And reasoning and fortune-telling are generally past. Even the military does not know (except for the air defense operators) the ultimate characteristics. But even those declared put an end to any trepidation. The main task of air defense is to force the enemy to abandon the attack. Russia successfully copes with these.
  25. misti1973
    misti1973 20 October 2017 22: 48
    0
    Somehow forgot to mention such toys as B 61-12, of which they have more than 3000! They can be dumped abroad, and they will plan on our territory. And try to knock them down!
  26. Old26
    Old26 21 October 2017 00: 12
    +3
    Quote: misti1973
    Somehow forgot to mention such toys as B 61-12, of which they have more than 3000! They can be dumped abroad, and they will plan on our territory. And try to knock them down!

    And so few bombs indicated? They would write 30 thousand. It would sound more spectacular. Damn, they still test the bomb, from next year PLAN just start deliveries, and you already have 3000 of them
  27. Megamarcel
    Megamarcel 21 October 2017 15: 45
    -1
    All preparations for the containment of China, because his ambitions are growing more. However, like the power of his ocean fleet. Russia is not a rival for the United States and Japan. For we actually do not have an ocean fleet. Those miserable fragments of the fleet that remained of the USSR do not count. The inability of the Russian economy to ensure the construction of the ocean fleet means that it is destined for the role of a third world country, or its division into separate states.
  28. Wolka
    Wolka 21 October 2017 16: 29
    0
    on each island of the Kuril ridge by division, and then two or three S-400 with Voronezh on Sakhalin, with a caliber for each floating basin, otherwise nothing ...
  29. Oleg Salov
    Oleg Salov 21 October 2017 22: 28
    0
    That’s why the South Kuril Islands is needed, where it is necessary to place our missile defense systems, early warning radars, as well as ground-based and anti-ship missile systems, and much more,
  30. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 22 October 2017 00: 18
    0
    Looks like it, the Japanese, in general, have already fledged with the help of the United States and are ready for new villains along with the Yankees.
  31. ventel
    ventel 22 October 2017 12: 30
    0
    Quote: Gregory_78
    Well, yes ... Lendlis is the only reason why the USSR won in that war. It is strange why such a miracle cure did not help France, for example. Or Belgium.

    You would first read the history of the law on land lease in the United States adopted after the occupation of France and Belgium. I want to open your eyes to you. You know that fascist Germany also invested a part of the war in victory. What do you think when evacuating industry eastwards, there were no losses in the machine park, but in 1943 our industry somehow overtook German industry.
  32. ventel
    ventel 22 October 2017 12: 39
    0
    Quote: Gregory_78

    0
    Gregory_78 Today, 11:58 ↑
    For some reason, when the losses are compared, the losses of the Wehrmacht and the USSR are compared. Exactly. I will not say anything about the fact that the SS troops did not enter the Wehrmacht. Some Hungarians fought against us up to 250 thousand at a time, and left them to lie in our land more than 100 thousand. This is only in the three most massive graves. And there were Romanians, Poles and many others. Speaking of the French, for some reason they remember only the Normandy-Niemen squadron. But in vain. A couple of hundred people passed through the squadron. And at the front, they fought tens of thousands against us. All of Europe actually fought against us.
    What am I doing? Victory, of course, was given to us hard. But there wasn’t that “overwhelming with corpses”, which all 90s have been talking intensively about and some continue to speak now.

    You know how much the USSR lost in that war, and I don’t know, because officially no one has announced the figure. The fact that Khrushchev called 20 million documents is not confirmed where he got such numbers.
  33. David D. Dillinger
    David D. Dillinger 22 October 2017 22: 25
    0
    20x g .... maybe 50x g ??? What will Russia have in the 20s .....
  34. tigrall
    tigrall 23 October 2017 12: 06
    +1
    Wow, how scary, and these Apaches will shoot down our launching ICBMs? And tactical missiles with special warheads at Apache-based locations? And Aircraft AWACS on the Far East which will be guided by the most powerful missiles-who-want-to develop infinite? Because they will be knocked down as soon as the database begins. Or maybe the omnipotent Japanese missile defense with their most powerful missiles will knock down at least one North Korean missile? By the way, are those the most powerful missiles that could not hit a medium-range ballistic missile in summer tests? Article trash and fervor in the spirit of the work of Tom Clancy.
  35. ventel
    ventel 23 October 2017 12: 58
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    Quote: ventel
    In your opinion, the main victory and how it was given may not be considered because it is pointless.

    The survival of the nation is in any case a priority.
    Quote: ventel
    That's why we live worse than losers.

    This is a controversial issue, tell me what we live in worse and I will discuss with you on this topic.
    Quote: ventel
    And why are you so sure that NATO is worse than the Wehrmacht.

    And they periodically conduct exercises, this can be seen with the naked eye.

    And the fact that the gene pool of the nation was undermined, you did not think about and do not blame everything on the Liberals of the 90s. Well, if you live well, I’m happy for you, but look around you that there are no poor people who survive for a beggarly salary. Reichswehr also carried out exercises with cardboard tanks, everyone laughed and when they became Wehrmacht, they washed many of them with blood.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 23 October 2017 13: 57
      0
      Quote: ventel
      And the fact that the gene pool of the nation was undermined, you did not think about and do not blame everything on the Liberals of the 90s.

      The gene pool of a nation is undermined by developed medicine, when genetically flawed people survive and produce their own kind - this is a problem for all countries with developed medicine, but why this passage about the gene pool, how does it fit into the previous dialogue?
      Quote: ventel
      Well, if you live well, I’m happy for you, but look around you that there are no poor people who survive for a beggarly salary.

      Why this abstract nonsense? I asked you a specific question - what makes our life worse? Who survives for a beggarly salary? Name, surname, place of work?
      1. ventel
        ventel 23 October 2017 14: 39
        0
        Yes, you quote "May Kampf" Hitler, he also suggested genetically flawed to send to the crematorium. And you did not think that the flawed people, as you put it, are those people who survived the war, hunger, worked physically for wear and tear to restore the country, what do you think will be healthy offspring. Maybe your Sims didn’t starve and didn’t work since they were 12 years old for workdays; well then it’s clear that your ancestors were in the rear in a bread place because only a person who came to everything ready to argue in this way can be seen. understand.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 23 October 2017 14: 53
          0
          Quote: ventel
          Yes, you quote "May Kampf" Hitler, he also suggested genetically flawed to send to the crematorium.

          I do not suggest sending anyone to the crematorium; I do not have a recipe.
          Quote: ventel
          And you did not think that the flawed people, as you put it, are those people who survived the war, hunger, worked physically for wear and tear to restore the country, what do you think will be healthy offspring.

          And you did not think that healthy, fit for military service - died in the war.
          Quote: ventel
          Maybe your Sims didn’t starve, didn’t work from 12 years for workdays

          Quote: ventel
          so can only reason a person who in life came to all the ready

          Quote: ventel
          You can immediately see the boss, but you don’t understand a simple robot.

          Your parade of errors on my account, you are mistaken on my account ALL.

          I repeat my question - how does all this your nonsense fit into previous messages?

          Who survives for a beggarly salary? Name, surname, place of work?
          I don’t see the poor and hungry around me, yes, Mercedes isn’t enough for everyone, but this is not an indicator of poverty?
          1. ventel
            ventel 23 October 2017 16: 19
            0
            Well, as always, when the trouble is that the state is to blame, then the imperialist capitalists, then advanced medicine, you always have at hand some kind of argument if you don’t know the truth to call everything rubbish and you can’t strain your brains. I’ll explain it with examples in the First World War. France lost almost half of the male population of the blooming age in science, this phenomenon is called the undermining of the nation’s gene pool and now look, right now immigrants are multiplying in France quickly. Now take your country and read the statistics, you will see the same thing or I'm wrong. Yes, and you don’t take into account the generation of the 30-40s, because during the war they were still children and all these burdens they suffered what the hell health. Maybe you’re wrong and I’m not a boss but a big boss. I just see your answers and from them you can guess that your interlocutor is such a science called psychology. Rejection of a different point of view, even if it is true, causes you to associate with nonsense. Of course, no beggars can be seen from the window of a racing expensive foreign car. I will also give an example when I served in the West German War in the early 90s. Germany and East Germany joined together, I talked with an East German and spoke Russian fluently, so he who was unemployed could let his wife go to rest with his wife in his car to Niapol and Venice to the carnival and now tell your country an unemployed person, for example, from Voronezh, he can afford to go to rest at least in Sochi.
            1. Bubarius
              Bubarius 23 October 2017 20: 29
              +1
              A post-war generation of three or more children gave birth) the French will die out of their laziness, this is not a royal thing ... To multiply))). Why am I unemployed in Sochi through Voronezh?
            2. Setrac
              Setrac 23 October 2017 20: 44
              0
              Quote: ventel
              I just see your answers and you can guess from them that your interlocutor is such a science called psychology.

              This science is called psychiatry, when a person is plainly told that he is mistaken, and he continues to push his guesses with the stubbornness of the patient's psychiatric clinic.
              I work on the railroad as the most ordinary fitter of the way, not even the foreman.
              Quote: ventel
              Of course, from the window of a racing expensive foreign car, no beggars can be seen.

              I go to fret grant.

              Quote: ventel
              I talked with an East German, he spoke Russian reasonably well so he who was unemployed could let his wife and his wife go to Niapol and Venice for a carnival, and now tell your country an unemployed person, for example, from Voronezh he can afford to go to rest even in Sochi.

              You and I have a different system of values, you consider the top achievements - a trip to the carnival abroad, I do not consider it necessary to go there. I am well in Russia and I will find where to go, or rather I found when I was young and poor.
              1. ventel
                ventel 23 October 2017 22: 56
                0
                Somehow your profession does not fit with what you wrote. Although you stiffly confirmed with your statement about flawed people that your state has a lot of such people and you judge by drum you yourself. So Sochi is for you the same foreign country as Italy, just tell me frankly you do not allow finances. And you were going to debate who the losers or winners live better.
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 24 October 2017 21: 03
                  0
                  Quote: ventel
                  So Sochi is for you the same foreign country as Italy, just tell me frankly you do not allow finances.

                  How did you talk to yourself, maybe I'm out of place here?
                  I was in Sochi - I didn’t like it, it was noisy, crowded, I prefer to relax in less crowded places, such as Anapa.
                  Quote: ventel
                  Somehow your profession does not fit with what you wrote.

                  This means that you are a shitty psychologist.
                  Quote: ventel
                  And you were going to debate who the losers or winners live better.

                  But you evaded the discussion, you feel defeated.
                  1. ventel
                    ventel 24 October 2017 21: 38
                    0
                    I didn’t think you were hopeless. Well, you probably have to chew if a simple unemployed German can relax abroad and a simple Russian does not have such an opportunity, who lives better and doesn’t have to weave moral values, patriotism says on TV every day that we have what you have.
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 24 October 2017 22: 47
                      0
                      Quote: ventel
                      Well, you probably have to chew if a simple unemployed German can relax abroad and a simple Russian does not have such an opportunity, who lives better and doesn’t have to weave moral values, patriotism says on TV every day that we have what you have.

                      Here you are clearly lying, a simple unemployed German RELAX abroad does not have the opportunity, just like a simple unemployed Russian. In addition, here it is necessary to determine ... the borders of abroad. A German can get into a car and be “abroad” in an hour, a Russian can board a plane and in an hour will be still within the borders of the Russian Federation. Without leaving the borders of our country, you can visit so many interesting places and go so far that no Europe has ever dreamed of.
                      I like here in Sukhumi - is it abroad or not?
                      1. ventel
                        ventel 24 October 2017 23: 00
                        0
                        But you masterfully evade questions and call your opponent a liar. Now the distance plays a role, although you acknowledge that the German can afford to go abroad. Well, now compare the German allowance and the Russian allowance once I can check such a liar myself.
  36. SerZh1972
    SerZh1972 23 October 2017 13: 22
    +1
    Quote: Krabik
    Scientists Americans are buying up around the world, and even Indians

    If the scientists are the same as the specialist programmers who were once hired by Oracle, then I’m calm. Airplanes and missiles will not fly at best, at worst - it will all sag on the starting points ...
  37. V
    V 23 October 2017 18: 42
    0
    I agree that the Americans, by transferring so much technology, create tension on our borders.
    I do not agree that this may in any way affect our border forces. If all the air forces concentrated near our borders and even strike at our territory fly out from the American base, it is unlikely to go unanswered. A very serious response, including tactical and strategic strike systems. The attacks will be delivered not only on that territory and on the means from which the attack was launched (air, sea or land), but also on the countries that own the bases located at our borders.
  38. Mefist
    Mefist 24 October 2017 02: 24
    0
    An amazing article, as well as the comments of a boat below comparing the incomparable. In particular, under the article. Yes, in case of conflict there will be problems, this is a fact, for this reason we have conducted so many exercises and therefore in Syria our pilots get combat experience. In the modern world, in conflict with us, you don’t have to think that there is no fleet, that the army is in ruins, it is optimized to the realities of our time, the conflict, if it does not happen today or tomorrow, but by then we will tighten the rest. At the moment, modern wars without tanks, or rather without tanks and tank support vehicles and a layered system, are impossible. For example, the total number of planes and tomahawks that can be simultaneously released is 2 times less than the missiles ready to bring them down. It has always been like this, America developed an attack - airplanes, and we rockets to shoot them down. From an economic point of view, do you represent the ratio? One rocket of the old complex shot down f117, the cost of that rocket is hundreds of times less. So, having attacked once and having spent all helicopters and planes at once, they will receive an offensive by the tank army with the support of other vehicles, by the way tanks in all of Europe are 3 times less than ours, not counting how much we still have in conservation. The inability to fight the countries of Europe has already been proven isotrically, in the Second World War, with the multiple technical superiority of Germany, she could not conquer the USSR, so what will happen next time? When this superiority is not on land. The missile forces also surpass everything and this is recorded in the reports of many US military. The situation in the fleet is different, we do not need much, we only need so much to hold the defense, unlike the United States. America will not send an aircraft carrier group to us, since the probability of losing an aircraft carrier is 100% without it; the entire aircraft carrier group becomes meaningless actions and requires a different model of combat. Losing a multi-billion dollar ship with the same fleet of aircraft is not permissible. Therefore, this will not happen. It is unlikely that a direct confrontation will ever happen. Vietnam has already measured their strengths and as a result, the United States conceded defeat. So there will be no war with us, at the end you can see our doctrine, which states that we will use nuclear weapons, even in response to a non-nuclear otaku, if we suffer unacceptable damage. So you have to be a suicide to fight with us.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 24 October 2017 03: 21
      +1
      Quote: Mefist
      For example, the total number of planes and tomahawks that can be simultaneously released is 2 times less than the missiles ready to bring them down

      The example sounds solid, but in reality we have only Moscow and a small part of the central region most saturated with such defenses. But the fleet and troops on a vast territory are poorly covered by duty forces, even four destroyers or boats are enough to break through the defense of a missile regiment (which It’s obviously not enough covered from the Kyrgyz Republic in the near echelon). And how many fighters can we raise to intercept the combined forces of NATO, for example in the Black Sea or the Baltic? What is there with us, the duty squadron at best. So everything is not as perfect as you Because the 1 to 2 ratio doesn’t work even if you simply compile a table of them and our forces. In addition, the air defense has a very vulnerable point, but for some reason everyone forgets about it when they begin to calculate the missile salvo of a division or regiment. These are their radar radars. .And after all, it is precisely on them that the most concentrated blow will be delivered. It is these UNITS that should be considered, and not missiles at the launchers. Still 1: 2 turns out? Here it is ...
      But the USSR did not make a superweapon out of air defense. It and the Air Force were in a fair amount and the allies were good. Everything was balanced, because they did not win a single air defense.
  39. three-track
    three-track 24 October 2017 10: 14
    0
    Japan has everything to create nuclear weapons. Fokushima had ammunition technology. So the nuclear club expanded, they are silent like Israel.
  40. abc_alex
    abc_alex 24 October 2017 12: 39
    +1
    Gentlemen, are you not on the other side of the moon?
    Are you seriously arguing that investing billions in the nuclear triad, Russia will fight with Japan in a way convenient for it?
    Yes, at the first strike on our units or territory, Japan will be hit with nuclear weapons. Otherwise, it simply does not make sense to make and store it. What are the Avaxes, what are the "Aegis"? What the hell are four destroyers? Russia clearly declared that WILL BE use nuclear weapons. And he will use it. No one will fight as convenient as the enemy. For this, a strategic advantage in WMD is created so that no NO superiority in conventional weapons could not prevent the complete destruction of the attacking side.
  41. hohkn
    hohkn 24 October 2017 15: 04
    0
    Quote: Sharansky
    Was the regular American army fighting in the first Chechen one? What a twist!

    Well, well ... The training manual is outdated. Refresh.
    Not only our troops "go on vacation." Ask your employer.
  42. Setrac
    Setrac 24 October 2017 23: 09
    0
    Quote: ventel
    But you masterfully evade questions and call your opponent a liar. Now the distance plays a role, although you acknowledge that the German can afford to go abroad. Well, now compare the German allowance and the Russian allowance once I can check such a liar myself.

    I’m not evading anything, I’m directly telling you - what an idiotic indicator you have chosen for comparison - the opportunity to relax abroad - this does not mean the Germans' wealth, but poverty - they have a small country and they are simply hopeless poverty.
    As for the allowance, I’ll say this - the average German receives twice as much as the average Russian, but at the same time, his “wealth” is consumed by a higher tax, loans and high prices for essential goods — food, water, clothing, housing and communal services, and so on, in comparison with Russia .
    1. ventel
      ventel 30 October 2017 11: 42
      0
      Well, insulting the opponent is not the first time so let's take an indicator of how much the average German and Russian eat meat, cheese, vegetables, fruits, or is this your idiotic indicator too, or you say again that I have different values. That is, you want to say that the Russian housing and communal services, food, clothes, and others do not eat up his income. So answer me the question why a poor German can relax abroad and a rich Russian is not. I understand your message that the Russians are rich and Europe is poor.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 30 October 2017 12: 28
        0
        Quote: ventel
        Well insult the opponent

        I do not insult you.
        Quote: ventel
        so let's take an indicator of how much the average German and Russian eat meat, cheese, vegetables, fruits, or is this your idiotic indicator too, or you say again that I have different values.

        So with this it was necessary to start, and not "go abroad." I told you directly - the average German receives twice as much as the average Russian.
        Quote: ventel
        So answer me the question why a poor German can relax abroad and a rich Russian is not.

        Twenty five again. I repeat once again for those who do not understand - this is not an indicator of wealth, a small territory is a sign of poverty. You will say again that I offended you ....
        1. ventel
          ventel 30 October 2017 12: 54
          0
          Well, as I understand it, now everything rests on the territory. Well, then let's compare Canada and Australia about the United States in silence because a printing press immediately pops up. Although our debate began with the fact that the Germans and the Japanese who lost the war live better than the Russians who won this war. And that going to rest is not an indicator of who and how he lives.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 30 October 2017 13: 01
            0
            Quote: ventel
            Well, as I understand it, now everything rests on the territory, well then let's compare Canada and Australia about the United States in silence because a printing press immediately pops up.

            On the contrary, I advise you not to compare in such parameters as the territory in general and the ability to travel abroad in particular.
            Quote: ventel
            Although our debate began with the fact that the Germans and the Japanese who lost the war live better than the Russians who won this war.

            And I’m directly telling you - depending on what parameters to compare, and if you can agree with the stretch about the Germans, then it’s unlikely about the Japanese.
  43. Dimax
    Dimax 28 October 2017 18: 26
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    Comrade Kim honestly worked out the American loot, now the militarization of Japan and Korea has begun, the Americans have a reason to strengthen their presence in the region and place their systems there against Russia and China