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Leonid Ivashov: Russia is absolutely not ready for a serious war

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Leonid Ivashov: Russia is absolutely not ready for a serious war



The Ministry of Finance refuses the proposals of the Ministry of Defense to increase the salary of the military. Despite the fact that, according to the current legislation, salary amounts for military posts and ranks should be indexed annually, taking into account inflation, the salary of the military has not been indexed for five years now - since 2013.

Siluanov can not be Minister of Finance, because this position is state, large-scale. And he clearly, publicly showed himself as the most incompetent accountant. After all, referring to the fact that the Soviet Union collapsed due to high military spending is simply the greatest folly. The Soviet Union collapsed precisely because it was led by the same type as Siluanov-Gorbachev, who could talk, but could not organize and use the enormous potential of the Soviet Union. Including the potential of the defense industry and the army. The collapse began precisely with the fact that they began to discredit the army. Began to display mediocre troops from Eastern Europe. I remember very well how the troops were withdrawn, and absolutely no money was given for their arrangement. How national interests were betrayed by Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Shevardnadze. When the military offered to carry out a systematic withdrawal from Eastern Europe, from the Czech Republic and Hungary, during the 4-5 years, they decided in a narrow circle to withdraw all the troops within a year. They did not resolve issues with ecology, they did not solve issues with real estate, which remained in the former socialist countries. As a result, they left - and they were still due, and the army was thrown into the field. More than 200 of thousands of homeless officers and ensigns were formed at once. Plus, there was a continuous discredit from the same liberals as Siluanov, that the army was ruining the country.

If we take today: what does the army give?

Military orders develop the defense industry. The highest, that neither is in Russia, technology. And these are national technologies, and not trinkets bought abroad.

The army today has provided its high authority with real actions, especially successful actions in Syria, and solved the following tasks.

I drew the attention of many potential partners who were afraid of Russia's weakness and did not make deals with us for civilian products, and especially for defense products. Today we see that in the queue of those wishing to meet with Putin are the leaders of the states who, ten years ago, looked at Russia as an outcast.

For the first time in stories The king of Saudi Arabia, the largest oil state, arrived on a visit. Today, relations with Iran, with Turkey and the purchase of our weapons and not only the agreement in the oil and gas sector allows Siluanov to invest huge money in the budget he forms. This allows you to build perspectives.

Let's honestly admit that our group in Syria has allowed us to support the transportation of Russian gas to Europe through our actions. Otherwise, if we had not entered there, Qatar gas would have already passed through Syria and Turkey to Europe. If it were not for strengthening the army, fighting would intensify in Ukraine. We would no longer supply gas to Europe for the remaining pipes there. And, of course, Nord Stream would have been crushed long ago.

That is what the army did and prevented. It is another matter that the financial and economic bloc of the government cannot even use the highest defense technologies in the civilian sector - which it had to do. Let Siluanov calculate multibillion-dollar losses and the theft, which is allowed in the field of trade in oil and gas and other natural resources. Let Siluanov answer: why has China abandoned three projects, also multi-billion, the same “Power of Siberia”? On what basis? And on the grounds that corruption is too high in the Russian Federation and that our financial and economic structures in the government do not know how to predict. They have no economic and geopolitical analysis. Let Siluanov answer: why the data on deliveries to Europe of our gas and oil, when Germany shows how much Russia paid for deliveries of hydrocarbon raw materials, differ by tens of billions of euros from Russian figures, which show how much has been received in the Russian budget? This is what the finance minister needs to think about, and not to be a preacher of “Western values”, confirming to the enemy that Russia is overly increasing its power and the West should muffle it. Gorbachev also worked with his team of traitors. The result is a weakening of the pivot that historically holds Russia. This is exactly the military core. He gives authority, fame, provides a high status in the world and always pulls the economy.

So, Mr. Siluanov is on the path of so-called “soft power” (today it is in fashion), demanding to cut funding for the armed forces. In the case of the realization of his dreams, we will be spat from all sides, as in the 90s, they spat, scoffed, scoffed. This will be followed by the demoralization of the army, and therefore of society. The collapse of the power block will follow - and there will be no further country. How it happened in 1991

What else is very important? Siluanov, as well as his supporters (which is from the systemic liberal so-called opposition, which sat down in the government, whose residence is not for nothing called the White House, which is from among non-system accomplices), all pour a tear on the people. Siluanov argues that if we increase defense spending and raise salaries for the military, then we will suffer a social sphere: medicine, education, culture, pensions, and so on. That is what people really need.

Gentlemen, officials and oligarchs, in order to keep afloat, are trying to embroil the army with the people and tell lies to the grandmother, why she receives 6 thousands of pensions, why less than 10 thousands is enough for a basket of consumption. When people say that “we do not live, but survive,” liberal thieves say that the army is to blame. This is not the first time in our history. So it was before 1917 year. So it was in 1980-e - "the army is ruining, so you have small pensions." But why Mr. Siluanov will not explain: why, as soon as they arrest a slightly significant official, a representative of state power, so suddenly he has millions and billions? Let him explain: where did Ulyukaev have hundreds of millions and gold bars? And so any official today take, shake - and billions will fall. Here's where to look. Why doesn’t Siluanov explain the reason for the enormous outflow of almost 200 billions of dollars from Russian territory: who, how does it lead? Therefore, they can only grieve for the people for their own well-being, for covering up their criminal acts. Let Mr. Siluanov explain in general: what are the prospects? What kind of Russian government is Medvedev building with the president? What kind of model will it be? Is there a program at all, a development strategy, other than accounting accounting curves? Siluanov, as we see, responds: "We must loot the army and then everything will be fine with us."

Let's talk about the controversy of the Duma members and the Ministry of Finance. The Duma Committee, chaired by Vladimir Shamanov, was finally outraged by the state of affairs that the military did not index salary levels for military posts and titles. Not only Vladimir Anatolyevich Shamanov and his committee should be engaged in this business, but the Investigative Committee should be engaged. After all, it is, on the one hand, the robbery of military personnel, and on the other hand, it is non-compliance with the law. After all, this is laid down in the Law on the status of a soldier and in other laws and regulations. So, for violation of the laws, even less significant, people are imprisoned. Why is Medvedev not sitting with his government when he does not obey the laws, and in the form of handouts he gives to the population of Russia that we will add something to you from November or from January? Government members should be handcuffed like criminals violating the fundamental laws of the Russian state.

And the servicemen ... well, patient. We are all too patient. Hopefully, we believe in “objective difficulties. It is time to believe in reality - sheer theft, sheer corruption, which begins in the Kremlin and permeates all state structures, and draws business, the business community, into it. But the patience of the military is not infinite. The Emergency Committee - this, in fact, was already anguish of this patience. To endure further was impossible. Why did Marshal Yazov join the Emergency Committee? Because the army was defamed, killed officers, made stupid decisions. There is a Constitution, there is Soviet legislation, and in the republics they began to create their own armed groups, refused to send conscripts to serve in the army. Bardak and defamation complete, plus non-payment of salaries. This led to the fact that the army ceased to support the then president - the traitor Gorbachev. At the same time, the traitors laid out the structures of the KGB and law enforcement agencies with "democracy." And everything - the country collapsed.

Today, Mr. Siluanov received such a task - to repeat the sad experience of the Soviet Union. Siluanov, I believe, is no less, but more, than Ulyukayev, a wealthy person. If he did not agree with the current state policy out of principle, he would have faded away at his own will and already lived somewhere in Texas or Hawaii. Here we must understand that a powerful coordinated, well-coordinated geopolitical operation of “soft power” is being conducted against Russia. And the main support for holding the interests of our main geopolitical opponents lies precisely here, in Moscow. Russian agents of the West - the toolkit of this policy. And Mr. Siluanov will hold on to his place, because he was ordered to do so, he was entered into the operation to destroy Russia.

After all, he does not speak somewhere - he speaks to students. He lays in them negative thoughts in relation to the army, in relation to statehood, and so on. He is one of the small instruments of a large operation headed by the world financial oligarch, having assistants and a state named the United States and NATO. Siluanov is built in there, and he trembles so that something does not happen to him if he leaves this operation. He understands that for the fact that he will hand over the position, he will begin to justify the modern policy of Russia, the punishment in the West will be worse for him than any punishment in Russia. Therefore, he works as an agent of the West, as an adherent of the fifth column in the framework of the operation to destroy Russia.

Key players such as ministers and heads of large state corporations should be assigned to tasks. There are tasks that need to be solved. There is a goal to be achieved. And when Putin appoints the Ulyukaevs, the Siluanovs, the Medvedevs (they are full of them there in the government) - does this mean that he sees some task, some kind of goal? On the one hand, the president says: “we need to strengthen the country, increase the well-being of citizens” - but appoints those who oppose it to key positions. To me, the personnel policy of President Putin is completely incomprehensible.

And another moment. The army today is ready to repel the first blow. And thank God. And thanks to Sergey Kuzhugetovich, his team. But the country is absolutely not ready even for a small but serious war. There is no mobilization resource, there is no mobilization capacity, there is not even a mobilization plan. Will the army again be forced to go into bayonet? That's what Siluanov would have to think about if he served Russia. But he is doing everything so that not only the economy was not ready for war (and she is absolutely not ready), but that now the army is not even ready to repel the first strike. And this means that he is working in a completely different operation - an operation against Russia.

Conclusion. Putin needs, first, to discuss with the people: what kind of Russia are we building? And on strategic directions, especially on key ones, to put the highest professional patriots, and not random people. Now, how? I liked it, it says good toasts, maybe something else makes you enjoyable - they put it on the post. This is the path to nowhere, the path to the destruction of Russia. But those who are planning operations against Russia are pushing the destroyer people they need with any effective means. So, the personnel policy plays just on the side of those who impose sanctions against us and are preparing a military strike.
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  1. Pushkar
    Pushkar 21 October 2017 15: 25 New
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    "A people who do not want to feed their army will soon feed a stranger." Napoleon.
    1. kuz363
      kuz363 21 October 2017 15: 47 New
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      The army lives fat enough. Retire in 25 years! Benefits for free apartments. Young rosy-cheeked officers up to 45 years old - already retired! And the size of the pension is not comparable with the civil. There is also the police, prosecutors, courts, the Russian guard ... But where to find so many able-bodied people to feed such a mob? Who are well aware that there will be no war. And it is still not clear how they will behave in real hostilities.
      1. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 21 October 2017 16: 47 New
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        Quote: kuz363
        And it is still not clear how they will behave in real hostilities.


        Just like in Syria.
        Send you to the trenches to compare the "bread" of the military with his own.
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 21 October 2017 16: 53 New
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          Yeah, I’ll work until 60, if I live and feed the 45-year-old pensioner, who has never raised a cup heavier than a glass.
          1. San Sanych
            San Sanych 21 October 2017 18: 31 New
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            Quote: sabakina
            Yeah, I’ll work until 60, if I live and feed the 45-year-old pensioner, who has never raised a cup heavier than a glass.

            if there is not enough money in the budget, then military pensioners are not to blame for this, but first of all the management system that has been formed in Russia so far, if in Russia all the governors are searched at the same time, then Russia will immediately emerge from the crisis and another 200 years it will not enter laughing you’re not looking there, but you can also recall homegrown oligarchs who brought a trillion green ones abroad. And if this siluanov decided to cut the budget, he should first of all start with his beloved one, with the deputy and bureaucracy
          2. verner1967
            verner1967 22 October 2017 16: 58 New
            +7
            Quote: sabakina
            I will work up to 60 if I live and feed a 45-year-old pensioner who
            Uzbek, firstly, the deadline has now been increased to 50, and secondly, if you have work from 8 to 17 with lunch and two days off, then the officer’s day is not normal, with a bite anywhere, "without days off and passing "and thirdly, after retirement, retirees do not live long, go to the cemetery and see the age of those buried. I'm not talking about the risk in the service itself. And, yes, the pension of servicemen is paid from the military budget, so the RF PF is not spent on them.
            1. tforik
              tforik 25 October 2017 10: 24 New
              +2
              Well, there are different officers. Some are real, while others "do not lift anything heavier than a glass."
              1. verner1967
                verner1967 25 October 2017 18: 38 New
                +2
                Quote: tforik
                Well, there are different officers. Some are real, others are

                so the engineers (turners, collective farmers, doctors, drivers, etc.) are different, how do we sort them, who should be protected, and who is not worth it?
          3. captain
            captain 22 October 2017 17: 42 New
            +5
            Quote: sabakina
            Yeah, I’ll work until 60, if I live and feed the 45-year-old pensioner, who has never raised a cup heavier than a glass.

            Raised heavier than a glass and quite often. Do not confuse officers serving in the Kremlin military district and those who fought and are fighting. The army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB and other power structures are in all states and in all military personnel retire after 20-25 years of service. If you think that you are smarter than everyone in the world, then the flag is in your hands.
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 23 October 2017 14: 23 New
              +5
              You all, in my opinion, did not understand the thought - an army without a country (economy) will not last a day, and a modern one without highly qualified specialists even more so, and here it just seems that there is a planned extermination. And when the last OWN engineers and skilled workers about the army disappear can be forgotten in principle ...
          4. seacap
            seacap 24 October 2017 18: 40 New
            +3
            Dear, this is what the Siluanovs and K. are seeking, this is the article. I’ll tell you the fact who you are feeding. 227 lieutenants graduated from the school, after 25 years of service 74,12 of them were disabled, without legs or arms, in the body of the rest, up to 50 g of iron and they are conditionally healthy after numerous injuries and operations, up to 60 of us are unlikely to survive, a maximum of 5-7 people. Something I did not notice the line from tearing to Chechnya, Afghanistan, Africa and post-Soviet conflicts and other bread-and-buttery places, in your understanding, from among your friends and the like. As I understand it, in your and your consciousness, patriotism and protection of the Homeland and people, for suckers and losers, you won’t be scalded in this area, villas you won’t get yachts in Miami. Just like you are the 5th column, wretched in consciousness and spirit, because of people like you and you like, we poke around in this dung, selling the country for sneakers and jeans.
            1. Maverick1812
              Maverick1812 25 October 2017 07: 19 New
              +3
              Thanks buddy! All right said! At nightclubs, shame is not in the Argun Gorge, here you need health!
          5. Prosha
            Prosha 24 October 2017 18: 51 New
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            Your reasoning is similar to the same - we feed the whole USSR (Ukraine, etc. .. the need to insert). I served a lot, but left and have long been just a civilian - I work, but not the point. Nobody feeds anyone except mom and dad. The question is about proper financial policy, and I don’t understand why such a respected general, who has not the latest rating, doesn’t go directly to where these problems are solved or to a higher boss, but tries to campaign for "Soviet power" ...? And those who serve and work never lived really well, so this is not a situation where you can raise the question of who feeds whom.
          6. Nait
            Nait 25 October 2017 09: 41 New
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            And why didn’t you go to the military school (if), if the military is so sweet?
            Boots, outfits, divorces, guard duty, checks .... combat duty ...
            Do you think they give something for nothing?
          7. fuch
            fuch 25 October 2017 14: 30 New
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            35-45 kg on the shoulders and 10 km running. This is for combined arms. For the landing otherwise. Sleeping in the half eye always. An “alarm” by any code is not predictable. This is known about training alarms, but not about combat ones. Sleeping in your own open ditch nicknamed "trench" is the same normal. No matter the temperature overboard: +50, -50. At +50 minus in the absence of water, but you can get food, at -50 nothing grows, there is nothing to melt ice, there is no pasture. I’m not an officer, I’m just an ordinary guard and will retire at 60. Not an officer of my choice. I was sent to Ryazan. But, but. I’m not psychologically ready to send my fighter to death, but I must send the best, otherwise the task will not be completed. Imagine the strain on the brain?
      2. Pushkar
        Pushkar 21 October 2017 21: 28 New
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        Quote: kuz363
        The army lives fat enough.
        I will not go into details. Act in WU, and serve in the garrisons, even without war. Only 25 years old. Good luck to you. kind.
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 22 October 2017 17: 07 New
          +3
          Sergey, from the top of my age, I would love to train and get ....
          1. fuch
            fuch 25 October 2017 16: 25 New
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            I would get it. Tied arms, legs and a tied jaw. Jaw because tongue falls out from shaking. Not pretty. The crew would have washed their machine from your blood. I would take it to packaging in zinc. They’d come home. Accompanied. The order would be given, posthumously.
            That’s the whole difference. Sorry, but the soldiers have a big difference between the staff clerk and the soldier. Sorry, staff clerk.
        2. Varyag71
          Varyag71 25 October 2017 13: 33 New
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          Everyone is right in something. But to equate military officers and those who work is precisely what works, and does not serve, for example, as a military representative, or in research centers, in short, everyone who does not have military service is somehow silly.
          I now work at an aircraft factory, although the reserve captain graduated from a military school, I observe these military representatives with work schedules from 0800 to 1700 and with 2 days off and say that they serve .... well, in FIG.
      3. tiaman.76
        tiaman.76 21 October 2017 21: 35 New
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        read above...
        1. nils
          nils 22 October 2017 21: 29 New
          +4
          Leonid Ivashov: Russia is absolutely not ready for a serious war
          I agree with him.
      4. Bat
        Bat 21 October 2017 22: 30 New
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        Are you all so crazy there in Kazakston?
      5. Grits
        Grits 22 October 2017 00: 19 New
        +8
        I have nothing against a combat officer - he honestly earned his early retirement pension.
        But when I see retired Ministry of Emergencies, who only scribbled reports at the computer or a cop who did not hold a pistol in their hands, but retired at the age of 45, I feel pained. Why am I worse than my hefty classmates, who, whipping me, neigh on me, get a pension more than my salary? And to me, a humble official at the municipal level, on the contrary, the retirement age was increased to 65. So think about justice here.
        1. captain
          captain 22 October 2017 17: 48 New
          +2
          Dear Gritsa. I agree with you, but not in everything. My friend retired from the post of head of the criminal investigation department, had a stab wound in the chest and the Order of the Red Star for the detention of a particularly dangerous criminal (he received it when he was foreman). Yes, you probably need to increase all non-military years of service upon retirement, it is worth looking at the experience of other countries, but this should be done by our deputies and parties. public organizations. Let them introduce their bills.
      6. zoolu350
        zoolu350 22 October 2017 07: 30 New
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        And you will serve in small garrisons, where sometimes there is not even a settlement, and a visiting guide requires you to give birth to Las Vegas in this place without allocating a single ruble for it (rubles go to European-quality repairs of management offices), manually slab stoves and generators, build with your own hundreds of meters of strong points. And also tell the relatives of Alexander Prokhorenko heroically killed in Syria that he knew very well that there would be no war. Where to find so many able-bodied people? And go through any metropolis and you will find so many managers, menchandisers, DJs, bartenders and other representatives of the office and not only plankton that if you transfer them to work in industry, then China can be left far behind in terms of economic growth.
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 22 October 2017 17: 10 New
          +3
          Quote: zoolu350
          And you will serve in small garrisons,

          Hey, Zulus, there are those who need it, those who don’t want to wipe their pants on Rublevka!
      7. verner1967
        verner1967 22 October 2017 17: 02 New
        +4
        Quote: kuz363
        Benefits for free apartments.
        laughing fool
        Quote: kuz363
        Young rosy-cheeked officers up to 45 years old - already retired!

        if you retire up to 45, then no benefits, apartments and pension - a penny, so he will have to plow up to 70 in the national economy to get the minimum civil pension, and the pink cheeks of the “young pensioner” for hypertension due to illnesses received during service.
      8. Dimachrus
        Dimachrus 22 October 2017 17: 38 New
        +1
        Do you have an army that lives quite fat in Kazakhstan?
      9. astronom1973n
        astronom1973n 23 October 2017 10: 39 New
        +5
        The army lives fat enough. Retire in 25 years! Benefits for free apartments. Young rosy-cheeked officers up to 45 years old - already retired! And the size of the pension is not comparable with the civil. There is also the police, prosecutors, courts, the Russian guard ... But where to find so many able-bodied people to feed such a mob? Who are well aware that there will be no war. And it is still not clear how they will behave in real hostilities.

        It was probably enviable that you were not a “rosy-cheeked officer” who served in the ZabVO for 10 years, and then to choose the Chechen Republic or Syria ... I’m sure that only after ZabVO you would have “squandered” from the “fat living army” There is a category of people who only pop ... but it’s not turning bags! They don’t need anything, neither the army, nor the police and special services! Everything is fine with us and no one will attack us! Naive or stupid or just traitors.!
      10. Svetlana
        Svetlana 23 October 2017 21: 23 New
        0
        Quote: kuz363
        But where to find so many able-bodied people to feed such a horde? Who are well aware that there will be no war.

        And what have you got to do with it? With your flag, you will discuss how to feed your Kazakh army and what it does for you, in vain it eats your bread or not. There will be a war or maybe not, they argue not when the army is not strong enough, but when its power does not cause the slightest doubt in anyone in the world.
      11. fuch
        fuch 25 October 2017 16: 00 New
        0
        War, of course, will not be. A soldier (private = general = soldier) home, to wives and children. Everyone is happy. Money in the sea budget. And here, the Perimeter system yells: atas !. What are we doing? Air defense in a bathhouse with girls, tankers and artillerymen went fishing for tanks, infantry scattered around the mushrooms, pilots sniffing dandelions on the edge of the runway, sailors try to get a torpedo whale. Your actions? I apologize to all military branches. We, the paratroopers, will watch dandelions fly around. Dandelions have the same dome.
    2. iouris
      iouris 22 October 2017 01: 09 New
      0
      The people decide nothing. Globalization is the elimination of nationally oriented elites. Everyone feeds the American army. It is no accident that the US budget deficit is almost equal to the budget of the US military department.
  2. ilimnoz
    ilimnoz 21 October 2017 15: 34 New
    +2
    rather get rid of such managers only where to get the statesmen. some motherfuckers are ready to sell their mother
  3. kuz363
    kuz363 21 October 2017 15: 41 New
    +7
    This time, Ivashova suffered the wrong way. "Military orders are developing the defense industry. The highest technology in Russia." But Siluanov is right! There is no return from this development for the population, except for those who feed on the defense industry. This money is buried dead, such as 20 thousand tanks from Germany are now mothballed in the Urals. But this is the money torn off from the budget, which was cut down on medicine, education, science .... And then this ace is heard from the side of the population.
    1. NIKNN
      NIKNN 21 October 2017 16: 35 New
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      Quote: kuz363
      This time, Ivashova suffered the wrong way. "Military orders are developing the defense industry. The highest technology in Russia." But Siluanov is right!

      Yes, my friend, I look liberalist ...? belay Hide under your flag, we will understand who is right without you !!! stop
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 21 October 2017 16: 59 New
        +5
        No, well, I don’t understand Ivashova right now ...
        1. NIKNN
          NIKNN 21 October 2017 17: 04 New
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          Glory, there it is incomprehensible, Siluanov thrusts the Army in the ass, it was and is now ... These comrades will tear down the USA from the USA by any means, repeat the 20-year past experience, because their capital is being privatized ... Here Ivashov, using the example of the collapse attempt the army, under the pretext of impoverishing the people and trying to put everything in truth ..., well, somewhere, the idea took a bit to the side, but the main idea is this ... hi
          1. faiver
            faiver 22 October 2017 15: 44 New
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            no one thrusts an army into the ass, does the lieutenant really get 15thousand?
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 21 October 2017 17: 34 New
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      Quote: kuz363
      ! There is no return from this development for the population, except for those who feed on the defense industry. It's dead money buried

      Let Siluanov look for money elsewhere, and not stick a wedge between the people and the army. Progressive tax - weak to offer him? A. Well, well, he himself will suffer after all, a millionaire horseradish.
      1. ammunition
        ammunition 21 October 2017 19: 02 New
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        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Let Siluanov look for money elsewhere

        Siluanov will not seek money "elsewhere." Neither he, nor all this Caudle.
        Everyone knows that a complete change of control is needed. That is - The complete replacement of specific people with other specific people.
        Example -
        A specific Serdyukov was replaced by a specific Shoigu. And the situation in the army changed instantly. And the sooner they were replaced, the better the army would be.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 21 October 2017 19: 35 New
          +7
          Quote: ammunition
          A specific Serdyukov was replaced by a specific Shoigu. And the situation in the army changed instantly.

          Only cats give birth instantly. Not even instantly, but after two months (I remind you, I passed my exams at the school of biology, I’ve got a ticket for cats) laughing ) So, in my opinion, little depends on the change in a particular person if there is no command from above.
          1. captain
            captain 22 October 2017 17: 53 New
            +2
            Ivashov was offended by the system for something and began to blame it. He served all his life in Moscow, he did not command more than a platoon. Marshal theorist.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 22 October 2017 18: 20 New
              +5
              Quote: captain
              Ivashov was offended by the system for something and began to blame it.

              Maybe because he was refused by the CEC as a candidate for president? Probably wants to go to the polls again. request Well, let it be, it's better than Ksyusha Sobchak.
      2. Svetlana
        Svetlana 23 October 2017 21: 37 New
        +1
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: kuz363
        ! There is no return from this development for the population, except for those who feed on the defense industry. It's dead money buried

        Let Siluanov look for money elsewhere, and not stick a wedge between the people and the army. Progressive tax - weak to offer him? A. Well, well, he himself will suffer after all, a millionaire horseradish.

        He won’t suffer from such a tax, all of their income is left-wing, and their salaries are small.
    3. San Sanych
      San Sanych 21 October 2017 17: 35 New
      +8
      Quote: kuz363
      This time, Ivashova suffered the wrong way. "Military orders are developing the defense industry. The highest technology in Russia." But Siluanov is right! There is no return from this development for the population, except for those who feed on the defense industry. This money is buried dead, such as 20 thousand tanks from Germany are now mothballed in the Urals. But this is the money torn off from the budget, which was cut down on medicine, education, science .... And then this ace is heard from the side of the population.

      There is no return not from the defense industry, but from ministers such as Kudrin and Siluanov, because they either can not or do not want to create conditions for it to be more profitable to invest in the Russian economy by the newly-minted Racean bourgeois than to bring them to foreign offshore
    4. user
      user 21 October 2017 17: 36 New
      +7
      This money is buried dead, such as 20 thousand tanks from Germany are now mothballed in the Urals.


      This is not dead money, but a quick mobilization reserve, especially if they have been upgraded.
      1. Esoteric
        Esoteric 21 October 2017 20: 38 New
        +4
        In any case, Putin must conduct a dialogue with the people whom he is obliged to serve. And instead of the Siluanovs, you can find other people. Putin has already told the oligarchs about money abroad. Let them scratch their turnips if they suddenly lose their "blood money." All one, this money is not ours ...
        Progressive income tax, state monopoly on resources, tobacco, alcohol and drugs, the abolition of Gorbachev's VAT, limiting the maximum salary of state employees to 10 minimum wages, the dissolution of the Duma legislators ... everything can be raised and built. And what is not built, lay in even rows ...
        1. Alf
          Alf 21 October 2017 23: 14 New
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          Quote: Esoteric
          In any case, Putin must conduct a dialogue with the people whom he is obliged to serve. And instead of the Siluanovs, you can find other people. Putin has already told the oligarchs about money abroad.

          Maybe stop telling tales of the great Putin? Who is he ? He comes from the same clans. How can he resist them? How many times has he openly declared — There will be no course change? And fully follows his word.
      2. Black5Raven
        Black5Raven 22 October 2017 13: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: user
        and a quick mobilization reserve, especially if they have been upgraded.

        Not in cases where the tanks rot in the open.
    5. verner1967
      verner1967 22 October 2017 17: 06 New
      +3
      Quote: kuz363
      But Siluanov is right!

      in what? The fact that the acquired high technologies are not used in the civilian industry? So it’s his fault, it is necessary to stimulate financially production for the introduction of these technologies. From the fact that he gets into his wallet to the military budget does not grow, DD general 120 thousand, general salary from industry Kiriyenko 120 million, feel the difference.
  4. San Sanych
    San Sanych 21 October 2017 15: 49 New
    18
    It’s not the army who needs to cut costs, but the maintenance of such ministers as the Siluans, and even better, to drive them out of ministerial posts with a filthy broom, but those like Ulyukaev, in general, they need to be multiplied by zero
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    2. fuch
      fuch 25 October 2017 15: 13 New
      0
      After all, the stage was passed back in the USSR. ETKS (unified tariff and qualification guide) and OBHSS (department for combating theft of socialist property) :) I will not say that I am a fan of the USSR, but this decision is competent.
  5. bsk_una
    bsk_una 21 October 2017 15: 54 New
    17
    No need to go far for reasons. Putin has publicly announced that he is the first liberal. A quarter of a century is in power, and the country's economy is plunging into a quagmire every year. I understand the situation. This is not an economic bloc that should dictate living conditions, but a people. All the country needs is ministries that require certain resources. If economists say that there are no such resources, then all economists just need to be thrown into the trash, if they themselves do not want to leave because of incapacity. Led by bears, shuvalovs, butlers, hungry and wealthy. Putin himself does not want this; in all likelihood, for a quarter of a century, he himself could not grasp anything good in the economy. Certainly, in international affairs, he is an archdoc. But his government team tear and throw it away, the whole country will be.
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 21 October 2017 16: 09 New
    12
    It’s a little off topic ... We bought a dredger for dredging for a private company, an old thing, the price is not small, Dutch-built in 1979, its main value is to paint and throw away .. We don’t throw it away, but we painted it, now we repair it .. nothing, we need imported spare parts, but sanctions, we are looking for analogues .. with this identity too tight .. Our industry is getting stronger day by day ...
    1. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 21 October 2017 19: 32 New
      +7
      Just the topic. Various equipment should be produced in the country, not the pursuit of import, but its own to the maximum, from high-tech to the simplest.
  7. sxfRipper
    sxfRipper 21 October 2017 16: 38 New
    +5
    Some unintelligible "cry of Yaroslavna" ...
  8. Wolka
    Wolka 21 October 2017 16: 42 New
    +5
    Gentlemen, do your own thing and don’t go into everything, even where you look, to put it mildly, not clever ...
  9. anakost
    anakost 21 October 2017 16: 59 New
    +1
    Perhaps from the point of view of the general it is said correctly. But where to get the last pants for him, if the money is enough only for food? Where are the happy and well-fed workers that all this will provide? Some questions ...
  10. Krasnyiy komissar
    Krasnyiy komissar 21 October 2017 17: 05 New
    +6
    What could be a war of attrition today? An attack by the USA and the EU should mean only one thing - the Strategic Missile Forces, strategic nuclear forces and strategic aviation go into battle, and the limitophores along the perimeter of the borders can be easily destroyed with the help of nuclear weapons. How much ammunition do you need for Eastern Europe? No more than a hundred medium-sized nuclear munitions, so that only coals and broken brick mixed with glass remain there. Or maybe Japan will climb? If so, then they did not learn the lesson of August 45th, so they will have to repeat it.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 21 October 2017 18: 17 New
      +1
      I'm sorry, but from 100 nuclear weapons in Europe, radioactive gravel is far from everywhere. More than half of the cities will remain intact and habitable.
      1. Krasnyiy komissar
        Krasnyiy komissar 21 October 2017 18: 44 New
        +4
        Hundreds of bombs will be enough to spread the key elements of infrastructure, and the rest of the work will be done by feral and hungry natives. The destruction of even one millionaire city means the collapse of a market economy, the introduction of an emergency, the shortage of food and medicine.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 21 October 2017 20: 02 New
          +1
          “Key Infrastructure Elements” What elements are these. The state administration - it is being organized locally, industry in Europe is millions of enterprises - there’s no way to destroy them with a hundred warheads, the energy sector - power plants, there are the same number of them. Destroy part of the industry, the second part will reach its maximum. Do not destroy military facilities and industry - consider the war you lost.
      2. verner1967
        verner1967 22 October 2017 17: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        More than half of the cities will remain intact and habitable.

        the city itself will not live, especially in Western Europe, accustomed to social benefits, besides, it’s not the cities that are fighting but the armed forces, they’ll even use nuclear weapons against them
  11. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
    Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 21 October 2017 17: 39 New
    19
    We cry: “there is no money, there is no money ...” And how many billions of greenery are our underperforms .. incompetent economists invested in American securities, how many went abroad in ships, how many real estate, yachts, clubs and other things our oligarchs bought there. It is urgent to clean up all this ..., then there will be enough money both for the restoration of industry and for the army. And our "united" against!
    1. ADmA_RUS
      ADmA_RUS 21 October 2017 17: 59 New
      0
      Here's how to do it? What specific steps need to be taken?
    2. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 21 October 2017 18: 22 New
      +6
      I fully support you. But who will clean up, Putin? Something is not believed. I just really want to ask all these questions to Comrade Putin.
    3. San san
      San san 21 October 2017 20: 01 New
      +5
      I absolutely agree with you. As a first step, I propose to ban the sovereign from serving officials who have over the hill bank accounts, real estate, companies, etc., as under pressure from sanctions. To pass the law through the Duma with a roll-call vote and a preliminary monitoring report of the FSB, CIA, and BRIDGE. ..
    4. Vadim237
      Vadim237 21 October 2017 20: 05 New
      +1
      Even if you collect all our billionaires in rubles, and there are 240 of them in the country, one hell is not enough money.
  12. samarin1969
    samarin1969 21 October 2017 17: 55 New
    10
    Russia more and more begins to remind itself of the era of the 90s: nonpublic real politics, meaningless statements by “celestials”, the rise of hysterical “shows” ... Leonid Ivashov still believes that there are some “non-Siluanovs” in power who it makes sense to address ...
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 21 October 2017 20: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: samarin1969
      Leonid Ivashov still believes that there are some “Nesiluanovs” in power whom it makes sense to refer to ...

      Levashov and says: "I do not believe!!!"
      First, Putin needs to discuss with the people: what kind of Russia are we building? And on strategic directions, especially key ones, to put the highest professional patriots, and not random people. Now how? I liked it, says the toasts are good, maybe something else is doing something nice - they put him on the post. This is just the path to nowhere, the path to the destruction of Russia. But those who plan operations against Russia are promoting, in all sorts of effective ways, exactly the people-destroyers they need. So the personnel policy plays just on the side of those who impose sanctions against us and are preparing a military strike.
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 21 October 2017 21: 01 New
        +6
        Yeah ... the highlighted phrase is thought-provoking. hi ... I noticed that over the years, Leonid Grigoryevich becomes more radical in his assessments, but as a military man he usually remains politically correct. A direct personal attack against Siluanov says that the problem is really acute.
        1. faiver
          faiver 22 October 2017 15: 51 New
          0
          so "radical" that it is present on the rent channel almost around the clock, after which doubts arise about its adequacy ... hi
  13. Nemesis
    Nemesis 21 October 2017 18: 20 New
    +6
    Russia is not lucky for kings, therefore it is not ready, and not only today, and the people live hard.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 21 October 2017 20: 07 New
      +4
      Those who do not do anything are living hard and hopes that the state will do everything for them.
      1. Fedya2017
        Fedya2017 21 October 2017 20: 34 New
        +8
        Quote: Vadim237
        Those who do not do anything are living hard and hopes that the state will do everything for them.

        In your opinion, these all are over 22 million Russians, all loafers and drunks ??! Very doubtful ...
      2. Nemesis
        Nemesis 22 October 2017 07: 08 New
        +5
        We have today the opposite - Well live those who do nothing. Not a single law has been adopted that is useful for the country and people, and salaries in the State Duma are not that of hard workers. For the health care reform, its authors generally need to be referred to Kalyma ... I’m not talking about the thieves who stole state assets in the 90s and stupidly live off the sale of oil and gas. Which of them was processed then ?!
    2. Esoteric
      Esoteric 21 October 2017 20: 24 New
      11
      Quote: Nemesis
      Russia is not lucky for kings, therefore it is not ready, and not only today, and the people live hard.

      Indeed ... The tsar is to blame for everything ... For example, boyar Gref complained about the impossibility of working in Crimea. It is clear who wants to lose everything ... But in the USSR, interest rates on long-term deposits amounted to 3%, and loans were given at 4%. And everyone was happy, and there was enough for everyone ... And now Sberbank gives out 4-5% of its deposits, and "gives" loans at 15-19% ... What does it lack for a difference of 2-3% ??? belay Or is this “sheep” personality who decided that everything is “suckers”, and they are “grefs” - blue princes, investing something in Russian enterprises? It falsifies citizens, creating difficulties for them to accumulate and increase, and that’s all ... belay
      And the people live hard because the people are divided. And the man who could awaken him to throw off the bondage of the oligarchs, the lawlessness of bank speculators and the lack of alternative choice ... did not appear.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 22 October 2017 04: 59 New
        -1
        Quote: Esoteric
        Quote: Nemesis
        Russia is not lucky for kings, therefore it is not ready, and not only today, and the people live hard.

        Indeed ... The tsar is to blame for everything ... For example, boyar Gref complained about the impossibility of working in Crimea. It is clear who wants to lose everything ... But in the USSR, interest rates on long-term deposits amounted to 3%, and loans were given at 4%. And everyone was happy, and there was enough for everyone ... And now Sberbank gives out 4-5% of its deposits, and "gives" loans at 15-19% ... What does it lack for a difference of 2-3% ??? belay Or is this “sheep” personality who decided that everything is “suckers”, and they are “grefs” - blue princes, investing something in Russian enterprises? It falsifies citizens, creating difficulties for them to accumulate and increase, and that’s all ... belay
        And the people live hard because the people are divided. And the man who could awaken him to throw off the bondage of the oligarchs, the lawlessness of bank speculators and the lack of alternative choice ... did not appear.

        A high default interest rate on loans includes a “default factor”. That is the percentage of those people who throw banks. It is impossible for banks to get money from them under existing legislation. And with a mess in the execution of judicial decisions by bailiffs.
        Here we need a deep reform and a different mentality of the population.
        1. Nemesis
          Nemesis 22 October 2017 07: 12 New
          +4
          C'mon drive that? Until recently, collectors squeezed out all the debts no worse than the Italian mafia, and interest on loans was not lower than today .... All these oligarchs and officials and rams got into trouble completely.
  14. Radikal
    Radikal 21 October 2017 19: 48 New
    +5
    Quote: sabakina
    No, well, I don’t understand Ivashova right now ...

    If you do not understand, this is not a reason to believe that the general is wrong! sad
  15. Radikal
    Radikal 21 October 2017 19: 55 New
    +5
    Quote: samarin1969
    Russia more and more begins to remind itself of the era of the 90s: nonpublic real politics, meaningless statements by “celestials”, the rise of hysterical “shows” ... Leonid Ivashov still believes that there are some “non-Siluanovs” in power who it makes sense to address ...

    The general is just a delicate person, and an officer. Those questions that he voiced are addressed not to Siluanov, but to whom it is known. The only and most important question that many ask themselves is - why so ?! Where are we going? There is an answer, and it is not optimistic ... sad
  16. Glory1974
    Glory1974 21 October 2017 19: 59 New
    +2
    Everyone nibbles his crust of bread. The economist saves money, and the general is responsible for the army. But the same Shamanov, respected general, but in the State Duma supported the government’s decision not to index military salaries.
    The case is not an isolated one, at one time Minister of the Interior Stepashin told Yeltsin not to raise the salaries of police and explosives, such as the situation in the country is difficult, we will tolerate.
    If generals do not fulfill their responsibilities to provide for their personnel, then what have financiers to do with it?
  17. Radikal
    Radikal 21 October 2017 20: 02 New
    0
    Quote: glory1974
    Everyone nibbles his crust of bread. The economist saves money, and the general is responsible for the army. But the same Shamanov, respected general, but in the State Duma supported the government’s decision not to index military salaries.
    The case is not an isolated one, at one time Minister of the Interior Stepashin told Yeltsin not to raise the salaries of police and explosives, such as the situation in the country is difficult, we will tolerate.
    If generals do not fulfill their responsibilities to provide for their personnel, then what have financiers to do with it?

    .... when there is a Supreme Commander! sad
  18. San san
    San san 21 October 2017 20: 10 New
    +5
    Leonid Ivashev is absolutely right! Judas Gorbachev and Co., - betrayed, the drunk Yeltsin and the family drank the country. It is a pity there was no Russian Xiaoping Day. ..
  19. Esoteric
    Esoteric 21 October 2017 20: 13 New
    +4
    President Putin’s personnel policy is completely incomprehensible to me.

    I understand the concern of Leonid Ivashov and I agree with him that in the current economic situation it is very difficult to hold a serious confrontation in the military and economic terms. But, what remains for us to do, if it’s not very good with Putin, and instead of him putting the “dark horse” right now is even worse? It remains to say his weighty word on the VO forum ... request
  20. _Jack_
    _Jack_ 21 October 2017 20: 16 New
    +8
    Leonid Ivashov: Russia is absolutely not ready for a serious war

    At least someone gave a sober assessment, otherwise sheer urapatriotism and the “red army of all are stronger”
    1. SMP
      SMP 21 October 2017 20: 26 New
      +1
      At least someone gave a sober assessment, otherwise sheer urapatriotism and the “red army of all are stronger”


      1. Northern War (Great Northern War, Twenty Years War) - a war that lasted from 1700 to 1721.

      2 year ????

      3 1914 year ????

      4. 1941 year ???

      When was Russia ready? The answer is never, but the enemy was ready, and it is necessary to turn on when the enemy is not ready, and we are always not ready ...
  21. SMP
    SMP 21 October 2017 20: 22 New
    +1
    Key players such as ministers and heads of large state corporations should be assigned to tasks. There are tasks that need to be solved. There is a goal to be achieved. And when Putin appoints the Ulyukaevs, the Siluanovs, the Medvedevs (they are full of them there in the government) - does this mean that he sees some task, some kind of goal? On the one hand, the president says: “we need to strengthen the country, increase the well-being of citizens” - but appoints those who oppose it to key positions. To me, the personnel policy of President Putin is completely incomprehensible.


    Many do not understand, most.

    Conclusion. Putin needs, first, to discuss with the people: what kind of Russia are we building? And on strategic directions, especially on key ones, to put the highest professional patriots, and not random people. Now, how? I liked it, it says good toasts, maybe something else makes you enjoyable - they put it on the post. This is the path to nowhere, the path to the destruction of Russia. But those who are planning operations against Russia are pushing the destroyer people they need with any effective means. So, the personnel policy plays just on the side of those who impose sanctions against us and are preparing a military strike.


    So what to do?
  22. Fedya2017
    Fedya2017 21 October 2017 20: 29 New
    +1
    A lot of fair and controversial ... But as for the pipe from Qatar to the EU, he apparently does not understand something. This pipe does not suit the United States in the first place, they do not need it. As, however, and Russian pipes in the EU. And they would not have let this pipe from Qatar be built without us ... The United States wants to provide Europe with its gas.
  23. Fedya2017
    Fedya2017 21 October 2017 20: 41 New
    12
    Quote: San san
    As a first step I suggest

    Yes, at least offer it ... Just the other day, the government rejected the adoption of the law on the return of money from offshore ... And what, the president dismissed this government, according to the Constitution ?! No matter how ... And you still believe that "the cat can be against sour cream" ???! Hehe hehe .........
  24. Alekspel
    Alekspel 21 October 2017 23: 14 New
    +8
    Leonid Grigorich is right as always. Only he is wrong in one thing: no matter how much we prepare the army, the economy, etc., we will lose! Because our filthy elite just surrenders the country, remember the words of Brzezinski about "our or your elite." And the deceased knew the matter. Does anyone really think that the Shuvalovs, Grefs and other Silovans for the sake of "this country" will abandon the stolen and taken away to the West? Have mercy! They will sell us, buy us and sell them again, but already more expensive (Panikovsky). All these successes on external fronts are great! But nobody is in a hurry to raise the country from its knees. And the collapse of the next one will certainly begin with the army, here Ivashov is right for all 100. This is sad, of course, but the actions of the government lead to this.
  25. iouris
    iouris 22 October 2017 01: 11 New
    0
    After 1985, Russia successfully fights against itself. Where has Ivashov been all this time? Correctly.
  26. Radikal
    Radikal 22 October 2017 02: 25 New
    +1
    Quote: Esoteric
    President Putin’s personnel policy is completely incomprehensible to me.

    I understand the concern of Leonid Ivashov and I agree with him that in the current economic situation it is very difficult to hold a serious confrontation in the military and economic terms. But, what remains for us to do, if it’s not very good with Putin, and instead of him putting the “dark horse” right now is even worse? It remains to say his weighty word on the VO forum ... request
    good Checked out! laughing
  27. Radikal
    Radikal 22 October 2017 02: 29 New
    0
    Quote: SMP
    Key players such as ministers and heads of large state corporations should be assigned to tasks. There are tasks that need to be solved. There is a goal to be achieved. And when Putin appoints the Ulyukaevs, the Siluanovs, the Medvedevs (they are full of them there in the government) - does this mean that he sees some task, some kind of goal? On the one hand, the president says: “we need to strengthen the country, increase the well-being of citizens” - but appoints those who oppose it to key positions. To me, the personnel policy of President Putin is completely incomprehensible.


    Many do not understand, most.

    Conclusion. Putin needs, first, to discuss with the people: what kind of Russia are we building? And on strategic directions, especially on key ones, to put the highest professional patriots, and not random people. Now, how? I liked it, it says good toasts, maybe something else makes you enjoyable - they put it on the post. This is the path to nowhere, the path to the destruction of Russia. But those who are planning operations against Russia are pushing the destroyer people they need with any effective means. So, the personnel policy plays just on the side of those who impose sanctions against us and are preparing a military strike.


    So what to do?

    Arm! wassat
  28. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 22 October 2017 04: 45 New
    +3
    Quote: kuz363
    The army lives fat enough. Retire in 25 years! Benefits for free apartments. Young rosy-cheeked officers up to 45 years old - already retired! And the size of the pension is not comparable with the civil. There is also the police, prosecutors, courts, the Russian guard ... But where to find so many able-bodied people to feed such a mob? Who are well aware that there will be no war. And it is still not clear how they will behave in real hostilities.

    And what prevented you from starting a "fat life"? Pacifism?
  29. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 22 October 2017 04: 47 New
    +4
    Quote: sabakina
    Yeah, I’ll work until 60, if I live and feed the 45-year-old pensioner, who has never raised a cup heavier than a glass.

    In the army, as I understand it, were not? This is me about the severity raised by the military ...
  30. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 22 October 2017 04: 53 New
    +5
    Quote: Pushkar
    Quote: kuz363
    The army lives fat enough.
    I will not go into details. Act in WU, and serve in the garrisons, even without war. Only 25 years old. Good luck to you. kind.

    You won’t be able to explain anything to these people ... I have a friend who, even when tagged, my parents helped me to slope away from the army ... Everyone went to serve, but he stayed bald. So, imagine, he is also crying about military pensions and about cheese in butter!
    1. groks
      groks 22 October 2017 11: 31 New
      +2
      And I did not mow. I honestly finished VISI. And he went to work where there was no garrison. Except as such a company of the construction battalion. And it was a very good distribution. I am not offended by anything, the work was excellent and the attitude of the authorities was excellent, I consider Dalnerechensk to be my second homeland.
      But understand - it is much easier for a young officer than a young engineer. It just does not compare.
  31. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 22 October 2017 05: 30 New
    +4
    Of course, Germany should have paid for the withdrawal of troops from Germany. And she would pay !!!! If not for Gollum, that is, Gorbachev, who yelled "My darling"about rotten western democracy.
    From the Warsaw Pact countries, if they would honorly pay for "freedom"- everyone would still be paying off! And there would be no need for the Siluanovs to take citizens out of their pockets - that of the military, that of pensioners (he also loves this) the last penny.

    And I recommend Mr. Siluanov (now personally) to find money (Russian !!!) in offshore, where they, for some misunderstanding, are considered private. Not a single new Russian, simply by definition, could and cannot have any personal money, except for stolen Soviet national people. am
  32. tasha
    tasha 22 October 2017 05: 54 New
    +1
    An old misfortune of the professional military is that often their desires do not coincide with the capabilities of the state economy.

    Exactly the same article can be written about medicine, education and science. Of course, the amount that goes through corruption cases is impressive. But to invest everything exclusively in the army and the defense industry is wrong. Tanks are tanks, but washing machines are also needed ...

    I believe that if in peacetime a healthy, strong man does not find work with a decent salary and is forced to go to contract service, something is amiss in the state.
  33. ADmA_RUS
    ADmA_RUS 22 October 2017 11: 06 New
    0
    Main question. Who is not ready for war with Russia?
    1. iouris
      iouris 22 October 2017 13: 25 New
      0
      Wars, in particular, are classified as fair and unfair, aggressive and defensive. Since there are no “frivolous" wars, the headline should be understood as follows: according to the general of the Russian Federation, she is not ready for war. The ambiguity of the title reflects the way the author exists in the information environment. Questions that the author is obliged to answer: who is to blame, what needs to be done, who is able to do it, how much time it can take and is it not too late. But crushing water in a mortar and writing with a pitchfork on water is not a general matter.
  34. groks
    groks 22 October 2017 11: 12 New
    0
    Everything is correct. Only the Russian Federation is not going to participate in big wars. For the rest, enough is available.
    The army now lives on the background of production. Young military pensioners annoy those who still have to manage to live up to that pension. Probably also a way to fragment society. Although they don’t have a present either (this is not about “distant garrisons” in which it’s better than in the capital if you are not the son of a general), but about the fact that they have nowhere to stumble on - the places of the guards are already taken.
    Putin, and after him everyone else, started talking about the end of rearmament (how can this be?) And the need for conversion (again, pans?). Well, it’s clear that this will finish off the remnants of the defense industry and, in general, the entire high-tech one. Clear.
    But. So now or in the near future will the army be saturated with new equipment? Why then was there a noise about the coalition, Armata, Boomerang, ...? Ships and planes are generally not quickly made, and by the time there is a desire to build them, component manufacturers will be irreversibly dead.
    It turns out what kind of picture - Almaty with Coalitions are intended for sale - if anyone arouses interest with money, then they will start to do it. They haven’t called yet, since there are no orders for the kit.
    And our army has enough modernized T. Without mockery, it’s really enough, because it’s not going to fight with the high-tech countries of the Russian Federation, and tanks are not really at all for counter-terrorism operations.
    Ivashov knows very well that Putin will not begin to discuss and put forward, since he does not need it, and if he needed to, he would have been removed without any discussion long ago.
  35. mgero
    mgero 22 October 2017 11: 53 New
    -1
    Poor Siluanov, a question for Putin V.V. Why are “these” still in power? Or V.V.P. Also one of them?
    1. groks
      groks 22 October 2017 12: 16 New
      0
      If Putin were different, then he would not be there. Or not at all.
      There is an excellent Soviet film "Rafferty", probably the best role of O. Borisov. It shows how a good person actually turns into a monster, climbing the political ladder.
  36. Radikal
    Radikal 22 October 2017 16: 07 New
    0
    Quote: groks
    And I did not mow. I honestly finished VISI. And he went to work where there was no garrison. Except as such a company of the construction battalion. And it was a very good distribution. I am not offended by anything, the work was excellent and the attitude of the authorities was excellent, I consider Dalnerechensk to be my second homeland.
    But understand - it is much easier for a young officer than a young engineer. It just does not compare.

    Strange, there has always been a garrison in Dalnerechensk - the Dalnerechensk border detachment of the Far Eastern border region is standing there! recourse
  37. faiver
    faiver 22 October 2017 16: 07 New
    +1
    General Levashev is directly given such a versatile wonder - both military affairs, and "flying saucers" and so on for rent and economic issues, just a child prodigy and not grandfather ... hi
  38. Radikal
    Radikal 22 October 2017 16: 15 New
    0
    Quote: tasha
    An old misfortune of the professional military is that often their desires do not coincide with the capabilities of the state economy.

    Exactly the same article can be written about medicine, education and science. Of course, the amount that goes through corruption cases is impressive. But to invest everything exclusively in the army and the defense industry is wrong. Tanks are tanks, but washing machines are also needed ...

    I believe that if in peacetime a healthy, strong man does not find work with a decent salary and is forced to go to contract service, something is amiss in the state.

    Oddly enough, being a professional military man from the Soviet era, I agree with you! yes
  39. Umnichka
    Umnichka 23 October 2017 00: 24 New
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    With sound mind it is impossible not to agree. From myself I will add a very, I think, important: without a strong army and the economy of the civil war as a tool for the destruction of Russia can not be avoided, with all the ensuing bloody consequences for us and our children. Hence, tasks and methods for solving them should come from.
  40. avia12005
    avia12005 24 October 2017 17: 10 New
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    Siluanov should work as a cashier in the camp on Kolyma.
  41. tank64rus
    tank64rus 24 October 2017 17: 19 New
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    Government members should be handcuffed like criminals violating the fundamental laws of the Russian state.
  42. Prosha
    Prosha 24 October 2017 19: 01 New
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    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: ammunition
    A specific Serdyukov was replaced by a specific Shoigu. And the situation in the army changed instantly.

    Only cats give birth instantly. Not even instantly, but after two months (I remind you, I passed my exams at the school of biology, I’ve got a ticket for cats) laughing ) So, in my opinion, little depends on the change in a particular person if there is no command from above.

    I completely agree, because Serdyukov did not sit in the chair of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation himself, he was once known as the most correct reformer and he sang praises, but then he got confused with some kind of bitch and immediately became a stool. The whole trouble in Russia is that so far there is such a wonderful little peanut with chubby and pink cheeks, and how it grows up is a scoundrel, on which there is nowhere to put stamps. For some reason, there are no more Menshikovs and Potemkins - thieves but were pleasing for the state.
  43. smally
    smally 25 October 2017 03: 22 New
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    But I believe that pensions and monetary allowances in the army and navy should be accrued in accordance with the conditions of service and with the presence of many factors. And the fact that a large pension, etc., is a bonus for difficult working conditions. for example, I want my youngest daughter to study at a military institute, after which she benefits her country, and the country subsequently repays her with the same coin, a good pension.
  44. patriot1988
    patriot1988 25 October 2017 08: 35 New
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    The army should be “well-fed” so that when God forbid the time comes, it will fulfill its duty
  45. algonquin
    algonquin 25 October 2017 09: 27 New
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    1. Despite the presence of tactical weapons with nuclear warheads and so on. heavy weapons, I think, most modern wars with Europe and the east (excluding Ukraine, North Korea and some other exotics) will all be decided directly "on the ground" - That is, they will not bomb heavily from afar, because then the Tribunal will still , Russell or The Hague or some other, and somehow have to enter into trade relations and restore the economy. and after the bombing as in Yugoslavia, but in Berlin or London, the British are not that hands will not lend themselves to a simple tourist, but they can arrange some official troubles.
    2. It follows from this that it is necessary to arm mostly civilians and ground units.
    However, half of the civilian population will decide that “Putin was wrong, Crimea is not ours and the rights in the Russian Federation were really infringed on” and basically they won’t go to serve, it’s good if they don’t switch sides.
    A part may change its mind, but it will be too late - it will only remain to partisan if it is with whom and with what
    3. The most likely partisan war will not work either, because again there is no unifying factor - ideology
    simply put - stuck. There is where to emigrate, where to invest, so that the proletariat has something to lose, besides its “hypothetical work”, now half of the country produces only “virtual services” and is not adapted to the trade union affair
    not adapted to collective organization at all

    It is interesting to watch a movie about the British during the Second World War, and read A.K. Doyle about the self-awareness and national pride of the British in "Rodney Stone"
    Although Europe is now not the same.
    Well, the analogy with the development of MMA in Chechnya and negative statements about the same MMA of Russian athletes (Karelin)
    So the future belongs to ideologically "correctly motivated" people from the East.
    There it is not so much about massacre, but about spirit education
  46. Egg
    Egg 25 October 2017 11: 23 New
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    Quote: verner1967
    if you have work from 8 to 17 with lunch and two days off

    Do you compare with conditions in the USSR?
    In our modern Russia, no one has long been complying with the labor code, even in the public sector.
    They are forced to work until 8 and 10 pm and on weekends and without any payment ...
    And for the most obstinate, there is a wage system in which guaranteed earnings is the minimum wage, everything else is a type of bonus, which depends on management. Just try to look askance and immediately get a minimum.
    It is already indecent in the city administration to leave work before 7-8 pm, and not leaving on Saturday is tantamount to writing a letter of resignation.
    In the local Rosneft division, the picture is even cooler, it left before 9 pm = dismissal.
    But the meeting of Transneft’s “effective managers” surpassed everyone, recently my son and a couple of dozens of people wrote explanations why they were 7-10 seconds late for work! naturally, all latecomers were deprived of the prize ... and this despite the fact that there was no delay in fact, the bus that brought them to work was delayed on the road.
    so on a civilian, too, not everyone lives in chocolate, in other matters, like the military.
  47. Petrik66
    Petrik66 25 October 2017 21: 33 New
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    Leonid Ivashov, as always, prophesies the terrible problems of Russia. The enemy is insidious and dangerous - he broadcasts, probably does not read this site - half of the articles about how everything is bent over by them and our militia militant spittingly shoots up the “Appach.” He did not listen to Kedmi and Satanovsky who clearly tell how we bent everyone in Syria and the World and that they all (well, except Israel) all kirdyk. And Ivashova is already tired of reading how to read Girkin’s nonsense in due time.
    1. tforik
      tforik 26 October 2017 15: 34 New
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      ok said
  48. Fedor1
    Fedor1 30 October 2017 16: 57 New
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    The current government is unlikely to fully prepare for the war, apparently they do not even hear about it.