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"China in the economy repeats the system 30-s of the USSR"

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"China in the economy repeats the system 30-s of the USSR"



In his speech at the opening of the 19 Congress of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), the PRC Chairman Xi Jinping spoke about how the country's leadership sees the future of the economy. The party leader called for accelerated improvement of the system of "socialist market economy", as well as to implement the policy of liberalization and simplification of procedures in the field of trade. In addition, in his opinion, it should ensure the same attitude to all enterprises registered in China.

The PRC Chairman urged to intensify the emergence of the social security system, for which it is planned to create a reliable multi-level network, implement a nationwide social security plan, improve the health care system for the rural population, and introduce a unified social insurance service platform. It is necessary to improve the system of charity and assistance to privileged categories of citizens. It is planned to do away with the practice of the existence of hospitals at the expense of revenues from the sale of medicines. The PRC leadership also insists on the position “housing is meant for living, not for speculation.”

What lies behind these slogans? In a relatively short time, the Chinese economy began to compete with the US, and by some estimates, it is already overtaking it. So the whole world is watching how China will develop and what path it will take. China relies on the gains of socialism, but many experts consider the economy of the PRC to be actually capitalist.

During the congress, X declared that emphasis should be placed on improving the system of property rights. It is important to improve the management of various types of state assets, to reform the system of transfer of rights to the management of state capital.

It is also expected that cultivation of enterprises of the first category with international competitiveness is proposed to be given even greater powers to pilot free trade zones. It is worth noting, however, that the development of the institution of private property proper was not mentioned in Xi Jinping’s speech.



It has already been reported that during the same report, Xi Jinping spoke about the important role of party control in managing the country, achieving economic success and improving people's livelihood. He also called from the beginning to the end to stand in the position of socialism with Chinese characteristics, rejecting both the old way, with its inherent isolation and inertia, and the vicious way of changing the colors. Earlier, economist Yury Boldyrev in an interview on Nakanune.RU noted that, despite building a market economy, China manages to remain a socially-oriented state: “Socialism did not arise in its pure form, but as an opposition of the interests of society to the absolute power of capital. From this point of view, yes, China it remains social, socialist, socially oriented - these are nuances of terminology, but, nevertheless, a state oriented towards the realization of the interests of society, not capital. "

Publicist Anatoly Wasserman told Nakanune.RU that the combination of a market economy and comprehensive control over the life of the state is not only consistent by itself, but also largely logical.

"In the current conditions, the economy is too complex and diverse to plan its activities and manage these activities from a single center. And many, including, once I, conclude from this that there is no point in centralizing the national economy, and it should be decentralized. We usually call such an economy “market economy”, because in the absence of other means of coordinating economic activity we have to use a market mechanism, ”he said.

Но у такого формата, как отметил эксперт, есть множество недостатков, исследованных на протяжении нескольких historical эпох. В Китае вышли на формат смешанного планирования и управления экспериментально. "Смысл этого формата в том, чтобы какую-то часть хозяйства, на которую хватает управленческих ресурсов, централизуют, управляют этой частью хозяйства как единым целым, а остальное хозяйство планируется и управляется уже децентрализованно", – поясняет эксперт.

As Anatoly Wasserman notes, it was such a structure, for example, in the Soviet Union from the middle of the 1930 to the middle of the 1960 of the x, when approximately 9 / 10 of total production was issued by state-owned enterprises The state plan, and about 1 / 10 of diversity, was provided by enterprises owned by their own workers, as the artels then said. They worked according to their own plans, but coordinated plans with the public sector of the economy in various ways, if only because they acquired a significant part of resources from state-owned industries and sold a large part of their products to the state at prices fixed in economic contracts or at prices set by the state.

In China, the picture is now about the same as in the Soviet Union at that time, says Anatoly Wasserman. In China, most of the gross product is provided by enterprises, one way or another, controlled by the state, and most of the diversity of production is provided by enterprises owned by private owners, and even foreigners in general. This, however, is masked by the fact that private entrepreneurs are connected with the foreign market, and in it there is a different price level than within the country. And it turns out that in terms of money, the share of the private economy is higher than in kind. Anyway, the economy of China is largely controlled by the state, and this naturally expresses itself in the format of party leadership, the CCP in this sense remains an instrument of the state necessary for solving large-scale tasks.

“So there’s nothing surprising in preserving the leading role of the party in a market economy, I personally don’t see, these are all theoretically sound things,” the expert concluded.

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  1. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 21 October 2017 07: 20 New
    +4
    In general, the party is our All.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 21 October 2017 08: 06 New
      +9
      Quote: Benzorez
      In general, the party is our All.

      that the parties, that the sects, one crap ... the main thing is that the leadership-statesmen should be, and not fat-beloved oligarchs ..
      1. Ulan
        Ulan 21 October 2017 15: 05 New
        +3
        Right No matter what color the cat is, the main thing is that it catches mice.
        1. Johns
          Johns 23 October 2017 21: 46 New
          0
          Quote: Pavel Martynov
          "China in the economy repeats the system of the 30 of the USSR"

          It’s necessary to write such nonsense!
    2. NIKNN
      NIKNN 21 October 2017 12: 13 New
      +7
      Quote: Benzorez
      In general, the party is our All.

      Nevertheless, the whip method (executions of corrupt officials) brings visible results ...
    3. stas
      stas 21 October 2017 13: 20 New
      +8
      It is time for the king to scratch his turnip and remember that he was once a member of the CPSU.
      For 17 years, China has moved forward, so far we have not even seen the clearance at the end of the tunnel.
      If the king does not dare to abandon the market fascist economy, the tunnel for us will be substantially extended.
      But in the EP and in the Ladies' government, supporters of a market flea market, as the king wants.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 21 October 2017 14: 38 New
        +2
        Quote: stas
        If the king does not dare to abandon the market fascist economy, the tunnel for us will be substantially extended.

        I think that the exact opposite will be shortened, and then the death of the country.
        1. Ulan
          Ulan 21 October 2017 15: 07 New
          +7
          I think you didn’t understand. This is not about the rejection of the market economy in general, it existed under Stalin in some format, but abandon the "market-fascist" one.
          If you want more polite, from the wild, gangster market.
  2. Settlement Oparyshev
    Settlement Oparyshev 21 October 2017 07: 34 New
    +1
    The USSR was built on American money, and China is similar.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 21 October 2017 09: 25 New
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      0
      Settlement Oparyshev Today, 07:34
      The Soviet Union was built on American money ??? The Soviet Union was built on money that was requisitioned by yourself you know whom, and for the most part on folk money and by the people themselves .. American help was certainly. But this is in part .. There are Germans and Italians, and who just did not participate.
      Quote: pp to Oparyshev
      The USSR was built on American money, and China is similar.
      1. Settlement Oparyshev
        Settlement Oparyshev 21 October 2017 09: 37 New
        +1
        You are swimming shallowly, the USA did not miss the opportunity to use the USSR in the struggle against Great Britain. They prepared the USSR to strike at the English presence. Finish with school ideas about politics.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 21 October 2017 09: 42 New
          +7
          Oh, how .. I really already "swim" for forty years after school .. And you are looking for a dirty trick in politics and the "cunning plan" of the imperialists. There are only obvious things and for some reason you don’t see them. By the way, the school program in the USSR was immeasurably better than today.
          Quote: pp to Oparyshev
          You are swimming shallowly, the USA did not miss the opportunity to use the USSR in the struggle against Great Britain. They prepared the USSR to strike at the English presence. Finish with school ideas about politics.
          1. Settlement Oparyshev
            Settlement Oparyshev 21 October 2017 09: 47 New
            +2
            Where is your adequacy? You write that the Soviet Union was built on money requisitioned from the rich and priests. But this money ended by the year 22. And what kind of bucks did thousands of factories build in the first five-year periods?
            1. 210ox
              210ox 21 October 2017 10: 03 New
              +5
              It was not the Americans, but the Germans and Italians who laid the foundation for these "shishas". The Americans (Kahn) later pulled themselves up only partially. The Great Country was built by our own people and with our own money .. But not "shish". Of course, money was limited, hence salaries and widespread labor of prisoners.
              Quote: pp to Oparyshev
              Where is your adequacy? You write that the Soviet Union was built on money requisitioned from the rich and priests. But this money ended by the year 22. And what kind of bucks did thousands of factories build in the first five-year periods?
              1. Settlement Oparyshev
                Settlement Oparyshev 21 October 2017 10: 16 New
                +1
                You made me laugh. Especially about the "money" of Germany and Italy. Germany is all in ruins, she was waiting for whoever poured the towers into it. And then they poured through Hitler. To build 1814 plants in the first five-year plan, you need to design, test them before create designs, create materials from which factories to do. I can’t list all that is needed to build all those plants. These are hundreds of lard dollars, if not trilliks. Such money was in America and in England. Decide for yourself who paid for the industrialization of the Soviet Socialist Republic .
                1. 210ox
                  210ox 21 October 2017 11: 27 New
                  +2
                  There was a "Great Depression" in America .. Continue?
                  Quote: pp to Oparyshev
                  You made me laugh. Especially about the "money" of Germany and Italy. Germany is all in ruins, she was waiting for whoever poured the towers into it. And then they poured through Hitler. To build 1814 plants in the first five-year plan, you need to design, test them before create designs, create materials from which factories to do. I can’t list all that is needed to build all those plants. These are hundreds of lard dollars, if not trilliks. Such money was in America and in England. Decide for yourself who paid for the industrialization of the Soviet Socialist Republic .
                  1. Settlement Oparyshev
                    Settlement Oparyshev 21 October 2017 11: 30 New
                    +1
                    In America, yes, but not with the Rothschilds-Rockefellers. Perhaps depression in America was associated with Industrialization in the USSR. Money went to the USSR, which is why depression happened.
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 21 October 2017 11: 50 New
                      15
                      Quote: pp to Oparyshev
                      Perhaps depression in America was associated with industrialization in the USSR. Money went to the USSR, which is why depression happened

                      To memorize !!! good
                      Such i have never heard laughing
                      Settlement Oparyshev, nominate yourself for the Shnobel Prize ... You will definitely get it.
                      1. Vasya Vassin
                        Vasya Vassin 21 October 2017 12: 45 New
                        +5
                        Immediately in two categories: Expert of the year and the founder of a new line of critical economic analysis.
                    2. zoolu350
                      zoolu350 22 October 2017 06: 58 New
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                      Quote: pp to Oparyshev
                      In America, yes, but not with the Rothschilds-Rockefellers. Perhaps depression in America was associated with Industrialization in the USSR. Money went to the USSR, which is why depression happened.

                      What a pearl! Money for the Industrialization was collected by the Soviet People, and the owners of the Fed at that time invested a denyuzhka in Herr Hitler.
                  2. Ulan
                    Ulan 21 October 2017 15: 13 New
                    +7
                    The argument is about nothing. What difference does it make on what money. The main thing is that they built. And they built it.
                    Yes, they built at their own expense and attracted Western ones.
                    But not for their personal pockets, but for the country.
                    The built belonged, not to the Americans, not to the British, not to the Germans.
                    It belonged to our country, and the West invested money in industrialization, not out of charity, but earned on it.
                    Fact is fact; all this was created by the labor of our people. Have you attracted foreigners? And is it bad that we used them for our own purposes?
                    Now it would be so. And then they use us for their own purposes.
                    1. Settlement Oparyshev
                      Settlement Oparyshev 21 October 2017 16: 27 New
                      0
                      Just the same debate about the interesting one. Stalin disposed of huge funds and built a strong USSR. Then the war began, with the betrayal of high command. Who helped the country and Stalin to survive in the 41-42s? America, and then America suddenly became the enemy. Isn’t it that Stalin went over to England 43m? Why did they introduce epaulets that were condemned by the military, members of the Civil? There are still interesting questions that do not fit into politics for people.
                      1. Ulan
                        Ulan 21 October 2017 16: 36 New
                        +6
                        America helped to survive in the 41-42th? I won’t even discuss it, just look when the agreement on Lend-Lease was signed, as I understand it, it is about him. My father fought both near Moscow and near Rzhev and, and they did not see any American help at the front.
                        Well, the fact that Stalin somewhere “flipped over” and introduced shoulder straps for England, well, these are your personal fantasies.
                        Everything has long been written, why and why.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 21 October 2017 14: 42 New
      +5
      The Union was built for the blood and bread of the people of the country. And for the people! For the technology that helped us, the country and the people paid dearly.
      And thousands of industries from the West were relocated to China, which was used by the Chinese leadership. Unlike freaks in the power of the late USSR.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 21 October 2017 16: 21 New
        +6
        Quote: NordUral
        And thousands of industries from the West were moved to China, which the Chinese leadership used

        Ask about the ecology of China's industrial areas at your leisure.
        Really "excellently used" ... the only question is who wink
        1. zoolu350
          zoolu350 22 October 2017 07: 01 New
          0
          Ecology during Industrialization in the USSR was also bad, but the existence of the people and the country was at stake.
      2. Settlement Oparyshev
        Settlement Oparyshev 21 October 2017 16: 31 New
        0
        Yes, calm down. The Union was designed for different purposes at different times. At some time, they took care of the people.
        As for China. It is strange why production from the USA was transferred to China? Not to India and not to Malaysia? Do you know?
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 21 October 2017 16: 41 New
          +1
          maggot-kovtun ??? wassat
  3. zoolu350
    zoolu350 21 October 2017 07: 44 New
    +9
    Under the leadership of the CCP, the PRC is moving wildly toward fame, power and domination! The Russian Federation under the leadership of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation is creeping ......... I don’t even know where, except for the abyss.
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 21 October 2017 08: 06 New
    +7
    The Chinese leadership is from that category of people who learn both from the mistakes of others and from their own ..
  5. San Sanych
    San Sanych 21 October 2017 08: 52 New
    10
    In the USSR, when Stalin headed the "tyrant", the private trader had the opportunity to work quite legally, and with the "white and fluffy" Khrushchev, idolized by liberals, he lost this opportunity, a paradox request
    1. 34 region
      34 region 21 October 2017 22: 39 New
      0
      08.52. San Sanych! White and fluffy!? So this is a scribe! What? Was he bald? So he disguised himself! wassat
  6. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 21 October 2017 09: 04 New
    +6
    Quote: San Sanych
    In the USSR, when Stalin headed the "tyrant", the private trader had the opportunity to work quite legally, and with the "white and fluffy" Khrushchev, idolized by liberals, he lost this opportunity, a paradox request

    Therefore, JV Stalin is still remembered, and the bald corn-vvod is in the trash of History! So it was and it will be so!
    1. San Sanych
      San Sanych 21 October 2017 09: 34 New
      +7
      Under Stalin, prices in stores were constantly decreasing, while under corn, they began to increase constantly. It came to the point that by the end of the reign of the National Assembly people were forced to take a queue for bread at night, and this bread was half baked from corn flour, and this after almost 20 years after the Second World War, under Stalin there was no such insanity.
      1. captain
        captain 21 October 2017 11: 34 New
        +1
        Dear San Sanych, I put you a plus (I lived in Yelan at that time and I remember corn bread), but how can you call a real Leninist N.S. Khrushchev a maize. Take the newspaper Pravda for 1962 and you will find out that he was a real Leninist.
        1. San Sanych
          San Sanych 21 October 2017 13: 05 New
          +4
          If the National Assembly was a real Leninist, it was only by name, and in his heart, as he was a Trotskyist, he remained so, with petty-bourgeois and sadistic manners, but the people called him a corn mailer, for his corn epic, when they even thought of sowing corn in the Arkhangelsk region during his reign hi
        2. San Sanych
          San Sanych 21 October 2017 13: 29 New
          +5
          PS, although in reality, Lenin and Trotsky were of the same field of berries, both rushed about with the idea of ​​world revolution (except that Trotsky had more sadistic inclinations), and Stalin, in contrast to them, built a great Power, and he cared more for ordinary people
      2. andrewkor
        andrewkor 21 October 2017 14: 45 New
        +1
        And white butter bread was sold to diabetics in pharmacies. I remember the sweet bread with corn taste. The crisis of 1964 was caused by the fact that Nikita was dumped.
        1. San Sanych
          San Sanych 21 October 2017 14: 59 New
          0
          The events in Novocherkassk showed that the NS with its shyness literally got everyone, first of all the simple people and the working class, and then the “tiligen”, and moreover, even the party nomenclature, for which he created many profits
  7. captain
    captain 21 October 2017 11: 40 New
    +6
    China in the economy does not follow the path of the USSR. China learns from the mistakes of others, unlike us. There were people who were above personal ambition, thirst for profit and self-praise. The people there are very hardworking, they are used to relying on themselves and not on the party. They don’t believe in fairy tales. They are very practical, they find their benefit in everything. Friendly and united. They love their country very much.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 21 October 2017 23: 30 New
      0
      11.40. Rotmister! Above ambition !? And those who are shot there periodically? How do they relate to ambition? Are there hardworking people? Are loafers in Russia? On the internet there is a video of how the Chinese are sleeping in the workplace. Is it from hard work or from overload? Are they practical and find their own profit in everything? Well, we are practical and find their benefit in offshore. And we exchange rubles for bucks together and invest in a cohesive economy in their economy! wassat
  8. Radikal
    Radikal 21 October 2017 12: 08 New
    +5
    Quote: pp to Oparyshev
    In America, yes, but not with the Rothschilds-Rockefellers. Perhaps depression in America was associated with Industrialization in the USSR. Money went to the USSR, which is why depression happened.

    That is, uncles Rothschild-Rockefeller are such philanthropists that they spat on the interests of their country (we won’t talk about the people), and started to build socialism with us ?! E-mine, so they were Bolsheviks ?! belay I wonder what serial numbers in their party tickets - №№ 1,2 ?!wassat
    1. Vasya Vassin
      Vasya Vassin 21 October 2017 12: 46 New
      +1
      Yes, complete nonsense.
    2. Settlement Oparyshev
      Settlement Oparyshev 21 October 2017 16: 37 New
      0
      Keep in mind that almost the main war in the world is the war of America with England. And the USSR for some time was intended to strike at British interests.
    3. zoolu350
      zoolu350 22 October 2017 07: 05 New
      0
      The owners of the Fed do not have their own country. NWM is nothing more than a nesting place, before that there were the British Isles, but the WWII showed that they were vulnerable.
  9. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 21 October 2017 12: 41 New
    +7
    I tried to find the full text of Xi Jinping's speech. I even found "People's Daily" in Russian. And I didn’t find it there. The author, share where you read the full text, not the "squeeze".
    The main news in Russia is Sobchak swung at the presidency. According to the central heating system, it’s already being sucked up all day A, here’s an event of world significance - on the side, no coverage and debate. The fact that the CCP congress is hushed up is understandable. Against the backdrop of China's successes, the flaw of what is being built in Russia is visible.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 21 October 2017 23: 40 New
      0
      12.41. Mammoth! And what is being built in Russia? Sports objects? Are new cities being built? What about new enterprises? Sobchak is not the president. Although she is the daughter of teacher Putin. Rather, the president will be Matvienko than Sobchak. But Putin is unlikely to want to be worse than Berlusconi. Years are running out, ambition rod. We must go down in history! Outperform previous rulers does not work. What if this period will break all the records of the development of previous rulers !?
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 22 October 2017 09: 27 New
        +2
        Quote: 34 region
        Sobchak is not the president.

        I repent. I did not put quotes. You did not understand sarcasm.
        Quote: 34 region
        We must go down in history!

        Putin has already made history. Which one? Descendants will decide.
        Quote: 34 region
        And what is being built in Russia?

        "Capitalism with an animal grin." Therefore, the rich get richer, and the poor become more. This is one of Putin’s “merits”.
    2. andy.v.lee
      andy.v.lee 23 October 2017 20: 34 New
      0
      Quote: Was Mammoth
      Against the backdrop of China's successes, the flaw of what is being built in Russia is visible.

      It was built in the USSR, in the Russian Federation it is only collapsing. But this is not so important already.
      Now some resources are not available on the official website of the PRC government. If you manage to catch the plan of the 13th five-year plan (even in English), you can not read the speech of Zap Genpen (so his name is in the southern manner). The plan has everything that China must achieve before 2020, and brief sketches for the future 14th five-year plan. Pages 250 in total. This is a lot! Regulations on places will amount to about another million pages (for each province, region, city).
      In short, here is a picture from the Xinhua website:
      [media = http: //news.xinhuanet.com/english/photo/20
      15-11/04/134783513_14466270422631n.jpg]
      1. andy.v.lee
        andy.v.lee 23 October 2017 20: 57 New
        0
        I found a link to the main planning theses of the 13th five-year plan in Chinese:
        [media = [media = http: //www.gov.cn/xinwen/2016-03/17
        /content_5054992.htm]]
        There is also a revised English-American Commission on Economics and Security in English:
        [media = https: //www.uscc.gov/Research/13th-five-ye
        ar-plan]
        Link below in PDF. Good luck
        1. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 23 October 2017 21: 37 New
          0
          Quote: andy.v.lee
          Good luck!

          Thank you!
          A million pages is for professionals, especially in Chinese. I have enough thesis of Zap Genpen ( wink ) from the first person.
          1. andy.v.lee
            andy.v.lee 25 October 2017 18: 28 New
            0
            Plan 13 of the five-year plan is enough! You take the English version of the online translation or through other translators. This is a squeeze from English resources. This is enough for a Russian-speaking person. For me there are a bunch of other info, except for this - but this "primer"!
  10. Fedya2017
    Fedya2017 21 October 2017 14: 03 New
    +6
    When Gorbachev's perestroika began, there was talk that everything needed to be taken from capitalism ... That is create a new state-political system, with the priority of socialism. But something didn’t go beyond conversations, and now - what has grown has grown. Neo-feudalism with signs of statehood ... Something like that.
  11. Dedall
    Dedall 21 October 2017 21: 23 New
    +5
    As noted by Anatoly Wasserman, it was precisely such a structure that was, for example, in the Soviet Union from the mid-1930s to the mid-1960s, when approximately 9/10 of the total production volume was issued by state-owned enterprises and, accordingly, working on a single the state plan, and about 1/10 of the diversity was provided by enterprises owned by their own workers, as they said then, artels.

    Only not in the mid-60s, but by the year 57 all artels had curtailed due to taxes that Nikita the Damned had piled on them. And he introduced taxes on all animals and fruit trees.
    As for China, if we had increased customs duties, it would have become more profitable for us to do everything and the Chinese’s ambitions would be reduced. And then I saw photographs of Blagoveshchensk and a Chinese city located on the other side of Zeya. And I remembered a photograph brought by a classmate who served in Blagoveshchensk. In old photographs, there was a village, a village with sticking home-made blast furnaces, but now it's the other way around. The city seems to be called Heihe, so this is a natural copy of the New York silhouette. And against the background of all this, there is a stream of cars with goods from there.
  12. Radikal
    Radikal 22 October 2017 23: 09 New
    +1
    Quote: pp to Oparyshev
    Keep in mind that almost the main war in the world is the war of America with England. And the USSR for some time was intended to strike at British interests.

    ... Kashchenko is resting fool
  13. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 23 October 2017 15: 39 New
    0
    Quote: pp to Oparyshev
    The USSR was built on American money, and China is similar.

    The USSR and China were built on Soviet and Chinese money. They never received any “help” from the USA. Even for a land-lease in a war, one must have beaten pays. Here the United States has emerged from the great crisis of 1929-1933 thanks to the first Soviet petition. At that time, only the USSR bought cars on a large scale. Then the USSR saved the USA and the West from Nazi Germany. Today, China is also pulling the United States and the weight of the world out of the chronic crisis.